FL - Child Dies After Beating For Not Eating, Soiling Pants

[BeanE]

KISSIMMEE, Fla. -- Charges against an Osceola County man were upgraded to first-degree murder Monday after his girlfriend's child died at Arnold Palmer Hospital.

Detectives said that the 2-year-old died as a result of a beating that was given Sunday by Jonathan Alicea, 19. Alicea was taking care of the child and beat the boy because he soiled his pants and would not eat, police said.

Alicea told detectives he pushed the child's head with his left hand, causing the child to lose consciousness and appear to not be breathing. The teen attempted CPR without success. He also said he boiled a pot of water and poured it over the toddler, saying he thought it would revive him.


Child Dies After Beating For Not Eating, Soiling Pants
Mother's Boyfriend Charged With First-Degree Murder

http://www.wesh.com/news/21273579/detail.html[/QUOTE]


These horrible cases of abuse of babies and children just leave me speechless.

Rest in peace, little one.

[fran]

OhMyGosh!

He boiled a pot of water and poured it over him thinking it would revive him?

:furious:
fran

[WhyaDuck?]

OhMyGosh!

He boiled a pot of water and poured it over him thinking it would revive him?

:furious:
fran

!!!! WTH?

What is with all these moms leaving their kids with their f'ed up boyfriends?

This is disgusting.

News flash: Not eating and soiling their pants is what 2 year olds do, POS.

[WhyaDuck?]

A few media links:

Boyfriend Accused Of Killing Child, 2, Over Soiled Pants

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/10/12/boyfriend_accused_of_killing_toddler_over_soiled_p ants.html


Child Dies After Beating For Not Eating, Soiling Pants
Mother's Boyfriend Charged With First-Degree Murder

http://www.wesh.com/news/21273579/detail.html

[BeanE]

OhMyGosh!

He boiled a pot of water and poured it over him thinking it would revive him?

:furious:
fran

I doubt it was to revive him. Poor sweet little baby.

[BeanE]

A few media links:

Boyfriend Accused Of Killing Child, 2, Over Soiled Pants

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/10/12/boyfriend_accused_of_killing_toddler_over_soiled_p ants.html


Child Dies After Beating For Not Eating, Soiling Pants
Mother's Boyfriend Charged With First-Degree Murder

http://www.wesh.com/news/21273579/detail.html

Thank you so much, WhyaDuck. I forgot to put the link I was so upset.

I'm going to copy these up to the OP.

Thanks again.
BeanE

[BeanE]

2-year-old boy beaten over soiled pants dies
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-kpd-attmurder-child-101209,0,4818729.story

Snips

The youngster was rushed Sunday evening covered with burns to a Kissimmee hospital, where he was unresponsive from a severe head injury

The boyfriend, Jonathan Alicea, 19, of Kissimmee, claimed the child lost consciousness after being shoved to the ground for urinating in his pants at dinner,

Police did not release the name of the mother or the child late Monday.

Alicea, who is being charged with first-degree murder, told police that the child did not strike his head after being pushed to the floor. Police noticed swelling on Alicea's left hand and Alicea acknowledged he was left handed and shoved the boy with that hand.

"During the interview, Jonathan (Alicea) showed no emotion whatsoever," the report stated.


A criminal history compiled by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement states Alicea was arrested twice as a juvenile and charged with sex crimes. In April 2002, when he was 12-years-old, Alicea was charged with fondling a 12-to-15-year-old victim, records show. In January 2003, he was charged with molesting a child between the ages of 12 and 18 years old, records show. Details about the two cases were not immediately available.

[wonders]

I doubt it was to revive him. Poor sweet little baby.



ITA
He's lying through his teeth. :furious:


ETA:

"The teen attempted CPR without success". Their calling him a teen???

[nervous_nellie]

:steamed:

what is it going to take to stop this insanity? this waste of human flesh does not deserve to breathe...pure evil...i am speechless

[TheMeaningOfItAll]

There just aren't words. What a total piece of *insert expletive* I'm so saddened by this story. Boiling water my tush. It was meant to torture, no other reason. I hope he rots.

[Spawngasm]

I just noticed it was posted in this thread already sorry about that. I can't stand hearing about children getting abused. He deserves the death penalty imo.

[teonspaleprincess]

ITA
He's lying through his teeth. :furious:


ETA:

"The teen attempted CPR without success". Their calling him a teen???

He definately isn't a man, but I can think of a lot worse to call him than a teen!! :furious: I think that a law should be passed, making it mandatory that women have to, at the very least, do a background check on the people that they leave their kids with.

[WhyaDuck?]

He definately isn't a man, but I can think of a lot worse to call him than a teen!! :furious: I think that a law should be passed, making it mandatory that women have to, at the very least, do a background check on the people that they leave their kids with.

We should all get t-shirts reading: "Just because he's screwing you, that doesn't mean he loves your kids as his own."

sigh.

[WhyaDuck?]

2-year-old boy beaten over soiled pants dies
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-kpd-attmurder-child-101209,0,4818729.story

Snips

The youngster was rushed Sunday evening covered with burns to a Kissimmee hospital, where he was unresponsive from a severe head injury

The boyfriend, Jonathan Alicea, 19, of Kissimmee, claimed the child lost consciousness after being shoved to the ground for urinating in his pants at dinner,

Police did not release the name of the mother or the child late Monday.

Alicea, who is being charged with first-degree murder, told police that the child did not strike his head after being pushed to the floor. Police noticed swelling on Alicea's left hand and Alicea acknowledged he was left handed and shoved the boy with that hand.

"During the interview, Jonathan (Alicea) showed no emotion whatsoever," the report stated.


A criminal history compiled by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement states Alicea was arrested twice as a juvenile and charged with sex crimes. In April 2002, when he was 12-years-old, Alicea was charged with fondling a 12-to-15-year-old victim, records show. In January 2003, he was charged with molesting a child between the ages of 12 and 18 years old, records show. Details about the two cases were not immediately available.


BBM

Great choice for a babysitter!

Now, being a mom taking care of a baby by myself, I know it is hard to work and do everything you need to do while being a mom... but, man! Safety first, people!

[Recovering-Lurker]

2-year-old boy beaten over soiled pants dies
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-kpd-attmurder-child-101209,0,4818729.story

Snips

The youngster was rushed Sunday evening covered with burns to a Kissimmee hospital, where he was unresponsive from a severe head injury

The boyfriend, Jonathan Alicea, 19, of Kissimmee, claimed the child lost consciousness after being shoved to the ground for urinating in his pants at dinner,

Police did not release the name of the mother or the child late Monday.

Alicea, who is being charged with first-degree murder, told police that the child did not strike his head after being pushed to the floor. Police noticed swelling on Alicea's left hand and Alicea acknowledged he was left handed and shoved the boy with that hand.

"During the interview, Jonathan (Alicea) showed no emotion whatsoever," the report stated.


A criminal history compiled by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement states Alicea was arrested twice as a juvenile and charged with sex crimes. In April 2002, when he was 12-years-old, Alicea was charged with fondling a 12-to-15-year-old victim, records show. In January 2003, he was charged with molesting a child between the ages of 12 and 18 years old, records show. Details about the two cases were not immediately available.


If only he had paid as much attention to that sweet, little baby as he did to his manscaping. Grrr... :furious: I'm sick of this!!!!!!!!!!

[MeoW333]

That's disgusting, after not only beating him, then he poured boiling water over the baby trying to revive him??!! He needs the death penalty!!!

[butwhatif?]

You can't possibly get to 19 yrs of age and think that pouring boiling water on an unconscious person would revive them!! Seriously what the heck is going on his his head?

And what is happening in FL to make this kind of thing happen so frequently?
Where was mom? Wonder if she knew about his past? How long has this POS been in the childs life?
Why are moms so quick to let practically anyone care for there children these days?
I'm in my 30's and have two young children. Yes we need a break every now and then, but not at the expense of our childrens lives.
I just cannot wrap my head around this....but we need to figure out how this happens, and why it happens to try to prevent it happening again and again.

Prayers for all the little ones who have died under such depraved conditions, and for the ones who are still living in them.

[Openmind]

My heart aches for the pain and horror this little boy must have endured. I wonder how much the six year old saw of this brutality. I suppose the mother is not to blame but how did she not know what a monster he was?

[jnTexas]

Oh how I wish now that I didn't click on this thread tonight. This is heart breaking.

I truly hope this baby was not conscious when this POS poured boiling water on him.

[southcitymom]

Florida....how completely unsurprising....my prayers for this family.

[angeleleven]

Maybe someone should pour boiling water on him before giving him the death penalty.

[ebbie]

The more I read these types of stories the more I think we need to require a license to have a baby.

Idiots....

[ebbie]

Florida....how completely unsurprising....my prayers for this family.

I was thinking the same thing. At the risk of being blasted, what the heck is with that state? Did every child abusing moron move there or is it the heat or what?

[southcitymom]

I was thinking the same thing. At the risk of being blasted, what the heck is with that state? Did every child abusing moron move there or is it the heat or what?

That questions crosses my mind once a day. My sister says that it's like sewage running downhill.

And now I will ask forgiveness from all my FL friends. I know that ignorance and crime are not limited to one state and that there are many beautiful things about FL. Still, for my money, it is disproportionately represented in crime news.

[Lisahas2cats]

Let's translate the true meaning behind Alicea's words:

Alicea told detectives he pushed the child's head with his left hand, causing the child to lose consciousness and appear to not be breathing. The teen attempted CPR without success. He also said he boiled a pot of water and poured it over the toddler, saying he thought it would revive him.

Pushed = Pummelled the head repeatedly, possibly with an object.

Attempted CPR without success = Probably threw the child against a wall, possibly kicked/punched in the chest for good measure.

Boiled a pot of water and poured it over the toddler = Boiled a pot of water (water boils in what? EIGHT minutes?) and poured it over the toddler in an act of thought-out, cold-hearted and clear-headed cruelty, probably as further "punishment" for soiling. If he got pissed enough to grab an already boiling pot of water and threw it, that would be bad enough. But he apparently took the time to put water in the pot, put it on the stove, and waited for it to boil.

I wish this 19 year old a very long life indeed. Behind bars in general population.

[Fairy1]

That questions crosses my mind once a day. My sister says that it's like sewage running downhill.

And now I will ask forgiveness from all my FL friends. I know that ignorance and crime are not limited to one state and that there are many beautiful things about FL. Still, for my money, it is disproportionately represented in crime news.

I feel the same way!!! I'm thinking it's because they have the "sunshine" law - so we hear more of the horror that goes on there. Still, ya have to wonder.....

I hope this bas*ard fries. Poor little baby boy...

[WhyaDuck?]

From
http://www.wftv.com/countybycounty/21271455/detail.html

Alicea said he did not call 911, because his cell phone was disconnected and he didn’t like to rely on neighbors for help.

What the hell? You know, "child not breathing" has to be one of the few universally recognized times when it is totally ok to "bother" the neighbours.

This case still boggles my mind - in what universe is "boiling water" a first-aid reaction to not breathing???

I am so sad, thinking about what this little boy went through. Beaten, and lord-knows-what, because he refused to eat and soiled his pants (left in the care of a guy with anger problems like this, I wouldn't be surprized if he pooped himself out or fear or depression), and then beaten some more because he wouldn't change his clothes! HE WAS TWO YEARS OLD, you monster.

I wish we had a name and a picture of the little guy.

[Salem]

We should all get t-shirts reading: "Just because he's screwing you, that doesn't mean he loves your kids as his own."

sigh.

I love this!!!!! Only I would be bashful to wear it. I would probably have to change mine to something like - "just because he says he likes you, doesn't mean he likes your kids." But I would be thinking what you posted the whole time I wore it.

Does Trisha have one of these in the websleuth store?

I'm serious - I'm getting a T-Shirt like this and I'm going to wear it everytime I know I am going to be around single moms!

I also think single moms should be arrested for child endangerment everytime they leave their children with a boyfriend and something bad happens. I don't care if they are at work. Bfriend has no business taking care of the kids unless mom has known him for a very long time and knows his family and gets along with his mother, etc. etc.

Salem

[WhyaDuck?]

I love this!!!!! Only I would be bashful to wear it. I would probably have to change mine to something like - "just because he says he likes you, doesn't mean he likes your kids." But I would be thinking what you posted the whole time I wore it.

Does Trisha have one of these in the websleuth store?

I'm serious - I'm getting a T-Shirt like this and I'm going to wear it everytime I know I am going to be around single moms!

I also think single moms should be arrested for child endangerment everytime they leave their children with a boyfriend and something bad happens. I don't care if they are at work. Bfriend has no business taking care of the kids unless mom has known him for a very long time and knows his family and gets along with his mother, etc. etc.

Salem

I really don't want to be seen as bashing single moms, being nearly one myself, but these stories are seriously pizzing me off.

[Salem]

I don't want to bash single moms either. I was one. But reminding them to use common sense can't hurt anything, can it?

Something needs to be done. Not all boyfriends are bad, either. But it takes time to figure that out. Not two nights in the hay and then... oh yeah, will ya babysit for me???

Salem

[Salem]

From
http://www.wftv.com/countybycounty/21271455/detail.html



What the hell? You know, "child not breathing" has to be one of the few universally recognized times when it is totally ok to "bother" the neighbours.

This case still boggles my mind - in what universe is "boiling water" a first-aid reaction to not breathing???

I am so sad, thinking about what this little boy went through. Beaten, and lord-knows-what, because he refused to eat and soiled his pants (left in the care of a guy with anger problems like this, I wouldn't be surprized if he pooped himself out or fear or depression), and then beaten some more because he wouldn't change his clothes! HE WAS TWO YEARS OLD, you monster.

I wish we had a name and a picture of the little guy.

Name and picture are in the article. POS in my opinion.

I know better than to read in the Crimes thread. I just can't take this stuff. It is heartbreaking.

Salem

[Fairy1]

I love this!!!!! Only I would be bashful to wear it. I would probably have to change mine to something like - "just because he says he likes you, doesn't mean he likes your kids." But I would be thinking what you posted the whole time I wore it.

Does Trisha have one of these in the websleuth store?

I'm serious - I'm getting a T-Shirt like this and I'm going to wear it everytime I know I am going to be around single moms!

I also think single moms should be arrested for child endangerment everytime they leave their children with a boyfriend and something bad happens. I don't care if they are at work. Bfriend has no business taking care of the kids unless mom has known him for a very long time and knows his family and gets along with his mother, etc. etc.

Salem

ITA Salem. But I also don't believe teens should be having children and I wonder where in the HE** their families are!!!

We see cases like this much too often here on WS. We really need to come up with better solutions for kids who have kids. Then again, you really have to wonder why so many teens are having babies they cannot support on their own. There is a serious breakdown somewhere along the way. Of course, there are success stories. But IMO, babies should not be having babies. There is just too much risk involved.

[WhyaDuck?]

Name and picture are in the article. POS in my opinion.

I know better than to read in the Crimes thread. I just can't take this stuff. It is heartbreaking.

Salem

Thanks, yes, I saw the murdering scumbag - I'd like a name and picture of the 2 year old, so I know how to address this further innocent victim in the war on children that seems to be raging around us constantly.

[WhyaDuck?]

I think a general policy of waiting - once you dump the father of your baby, at least wait until the baby is old enough to talk (preferably defend him or herself) before you jump in with another jerk.

All this stems from girls who will take any form of love they can get - first, they get pregnant, and then rush headlong into whatever relationship they can find. People who cannot bear to be alone cause a world load of grief.

Particularly because they trade the love they are blessed with in their child for the cheap, transitory form of love they get with their latest loser.

It's an epidemic.

[Salem]

Thanks, yes, I saw the murdering scumbag - I'd like a name and picture of the 2 year old, so I know how to address this further innocent victim in the war on children that seems to be raging around us constantly.

I'm sorry, I misunderstood. Yes, a picture of the precious child would be nice. Maybe we should start a myspace or facebook for remembering little children that have lost their lives to violence? I'm not very good at those social networking sites, but I have seen some beautiful pages for the missing.

My stomach hurts. :( Reading here and catching up on Erin. Sooooo sad. And it makes me feel so helpless. I soooooooooo wish I could step in the middle and take the pain and hurt away. Many tears for these babies.

Salem

[shana]

...and a tough one at that.

This case raises so many issues that need attention...none new.

This cause would be a fantastic CNN Heroes candidate...if only.

bbl on another computer...this one is stalling, such that I cannot type a cogent reply :-/

[jnTexas]

http://www.wftv.com/countybycounty/21271455/detail.html

The little boy's mother was working at Disney when 19-year-old Jonathan Alicea allegedly committed the crime. Alicea says he waited until his girlfriend came home Sunday night, at least a half hour after the child had stopped breathing, then carried him down the steps wrapped in a towel. She could see burns on her child and said his explanation was very disturbing.

Alicea said he pushed the boy's head, which knocked him out and stopped him from breathing. He said he put the boy in an empty dresser drawer and tried reviving him. When that didn't work, he boiled a pot of water and poured it on the child

more at the link

would a 2 year old fit in a drawer, and why would someone put him in a drawer? This guy has major issues, and I don't mena mental I mean evil issues.

[gxm]

It's Florida, so maybe he'll get the DP. If not, I sure hope they never let this sicko out. He should never be allowed on the streets again.

[ebbie]

<snipped>
The little boy's mother was working at Disney when 19-year-old Jonathan Alicea allegedly committed the crime.

So she was using her boyfriend for babysitting. Thats easier to accept although just as sad.

Without adequate childcare options people apparently take chances. I'm sure it's done every day and will continue until some stronger family values come about.

Turn that idiot into dogfood....

[butwhatif?]

http://www.wftv.com/countybycounty/21271455/detail.html

The little boy's mother was working at Disney when 19-year-old Jonathan Alicea allegedly committed the crime. Alicea says he waited until his girlfriend came home Sunday night, at least a half hour after the child had stopped breathing, then carried him down the steps wrapped in a towel. She could see burns on her child and said his explanation was very disturbing.

Alicea said he pushed the boy's head, which knocked him out and stopped him from breathing. He said he put the boy in an empty dresser drawer and tried reviving him. When that didn't work, he boiled a pot of water and poured it on the child

more at the link

would a 2 year old fit in a drawer, and why would someone put him in a drawer? This guy has major issues, and I don't mena mental I mean evil issues.

I dont think it makes it any better that this mom was working when the POS BF killed her child. If you cant get a decent sitter, then stay at home!

This is the reason I have chosen to be a stay at home mom. I just don't trust people.

Last year I enrolled my kids in a supposedly well reputed daycare facility for two days a week, so I could go back to work part time. But it didn't last long.. when I picked them up one day, my eldest daughter was teary and then I noticed a bruise around the top of her arm where the child care worker had grabbed her when she wouldnt have a sleep. (she was 4 1/2 at the time and way past needing an afternoon nap).

I dont care that I dont have that extra money that a part-time job would bring in- at least my kids are safe with me.
As harsh as it may sound the mother bares some responsibility in this crime too. She chose to leave her child with a monster.
This guy is so messed up- there had to have been signs.
JMO

[tiredblondy]

I wonder if the he thought the child was dead and poured the boiling water on the child to cover up something like blood, a dented skull. Afterall if I read it right the boyfriend's hand was swollen. I don't want to think what a hard blow it would take to make his hand swell. I also wonder if there was sexual abuse. Yes it just gets worse and worse.

[WhyaDuck?]

It seems kind of iffy to me that the dinner was hotdogs and scrambled eggs. I wonder if those were boiled hotdogs? Seems to me, he already had the boiling water on hand, and I am very suspicious as to which really came first. (Baby gets scalded, either by accident or on purpose, and screams; BF panics, and beats him into silence?)

[Columbo]

Maybe someone should pour boiling water on him before giving him the death penalty.

Exactly what I was thinking....maybe it would "revive" him...:furious:

[MomofBoys]

I dont care that I dont have that extra money that a part-time job would bring in- at least my kids are safe with me.


I'm not defending this woman's choice in boyfriend, but that is a bit pie-in-the-sky for me. Or 'let them eat cake' or something along those lines. I'm a working mother and while I have the benefit of a good husband and loving parents/grandparents, not everyone is working for a little extra pocket money so they can go to the movies. Life happens, and you could be one financial catastrophe away from having to get a 'part-time job.'

I've said many times before that if something was to happen to my husband, I'd not introduce another man into their lives until they're out of the house. I know there are great guys out there, but humans are, at their base, animals and many male animals have a compulsion to destroy offspring of other males. It's biology, and I don't think many humans are that far removed from that.

However, that doesn't mean this woman ever saw signs of abuse. Maybe this is like the shaken-baby scenario where the husband/BF never abused the child until he just snapped. Perhaps she had no clue about the sex charges. Doubtful, I realize, but while there are a ton of cases where I'll advocate locking the mom right up with the BF, I just don't think we know enough on this one and blaming her for working is really making the issue about something else entirely. This monster could have killed this baby while the mom was taking a shower, or having a nap. Outside gardening. The mom's job didn't kill this baby. Her waste of air boyfriend did.

[butwhatif?]

I'm not defending this woman's choice in boyfriend, but that is a bit pie-in-the-sky for me. Or 'let them eat cake' or something along those lines. I'm a working mother and while I have the benefit of a good husband and loving parents/grandparents, not everyone is working for a little extra pocket money so they can go to the movies. Life happens, and you could be one financial catastrophe away from having to get a 'part-time job.'

I've said many times before that if something was to happen to my husband, I'd not introduce another man into their lives until they're out of the house. I know there are great guys out there, but humans are, at their base, animals and many male animals have a compulsion to destroy offspring of other males. It's biology, and I don't think many humans are that far removed from that.

However, that doesn't mean this woman ever saw signs of abuse. Maybe this is like the shaken-baby scenario where the husband/BF never abused the child until he just snapped. Perhaps she had no clue about the sex charges. Doubtful, I realize, but while there are a ton of cases where I'll advocate locking the mom right up with the BF, I just don't think we know enough on this one and blaming her for working is really making the issue about something else entirely. This monster could have killed this baby while the mom was taking a shower, or having a nap. Outside gardening. The mom's job didn't kill this baby. Her waste of air boyfriend did.


Without a doubt this 19 yr old sadist is entirely responsible for his heinous actions.
And while I know nothing about the mom in this case, I'm sure that she like most of us with kids, would be blaming herself on some level. That is human nature too.

When my lil one was 2, she reached up and poured a bowl of hot soup down onto herself. I had only turned away for 3-5 secs, but I still felt guilty, because I should have been watching the whole time. I knew better.

In regards to the work issue I should have clarified that the extra $ I would have been making was an attempt to start a savings account for medical expenses and emergencies. I live week to week. Have had to sell off my book collection, have garage sales etc to pay the bills sometimes.

This was a choice I made for me and my children because of my own personal history. I am not critisizing working moms, just any parent, working or not ,who put zero thought into who they leave their children with. And whether the mom is at work, shopping, or out partying at that time makes zero difference to me.

It's about having too much blind trust.
JMO