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RKW3
10-22-2009, 07:54 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569073,00.html

SuziQ
10-22-2009, 09:10 AM
There seems to be alot of missing people this past week. I pray Elizabeth comes home safe soon.

RAELON
10-22-2009, 09:26 AM
http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15293

elepher50
10-22-2009, 09:26 AM
It is that stoopid wobbly moon thing that is happening - it is driving people crazier than usual. Just wish it would get the h3ll over its damm wobbling.

Come home safe Elizabeth!! Don't think I could take another one right now.

lurkeyloo
10-22-2009, 09:26 AM
Not another one :(

West
10-22-2009, 09:28 AM
What is going on these days? I am not a parent but I can't even imagine bringing children into a world where you can't let your child walk 1/4 of a mile home at 6:15 PM (kudos to all you Moms and Dads out there working everyday to make sure your children and other families children are safe and sound!)...hoping this case has a quick and happy resolution for the Oltens--I'll keep checking back for updates on here, doesn't seem like there has been a lot of info released yet.

lillygator
10-22-2009, 09:29 AM
oh no. Hope she is found safe.

elle1919
10-22-2009, 09:30 AM
This is just becoming an obscene world and I pray Elizabeth is going to come home safe!

West
10-22-2009, 09:32 AM
Wait what?

The Highway Patrol says it hasn't issued an Amber Alert because there isn't enough evidence to suggest Elizabeth was abducted. ??!?!

Where do they think she went on her own? She's 9! Even if there's not enough evidence that she was abducted, time is of the essence here--just issue the alert to get people on the lookout, clearly she is missing and not where she is supposed to be!

swanniee11
10-22-2009, 09:35 AM
http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7bbf0b31-80ce-0971-0180-18680d5382d5

lurkeyloo
10-22-2009, 09:37 AM
Wait what?

The Highway Patrol says it hasn't issued an Amber Alert because there isn't enough evidence to suggest Elizabeth was abducted. ??!?!

Where do they think she went on her own? She's 9! Even if there's not enough evidence that she was abducted, time is of the essence here--just issue the alert to get people on the lookout, clearly she is missing and not where she is supposed to be!

So far, I haven't even been able to find a photo of her!

NM- here's one!

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7bbf0b31-80ce-0971-0180-18680d5382d5

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 09:40 AM
Elizabeth has long brown hair and was wearing a pink sweater, pink butterfly shirt, pink scarf, blue jeans and white sneakers

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15293

This little girl is scared of the dark and the woods according to one of the articles. I don't think she ran away.

mom_of_five
10-22-2009, 09:42 AM
So far, I haven't even been able to find a photo of her!

NM- here's one!

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7bbf0b31-80ce-0971-0180-18680d5382d5

There's one here: http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7bbf0b31-80ce-0971-0180-18680d5382d5

KaylynnCouture
10-22-2009, 09:44 AM
God PLEASE not another one.

Elizabeth, please please please come home safe.

nobodyzgirl
10-22-2009, 09:45 AM
Not another child missing...what is this world coming to Come home safe Elizabeth!

mom_of_five
10-22-2009, 09:46 AM
Hope this works (I've never attempted an attachment here before).

KaylynnCouture
10-22-2009, 09:48 AM
It worked. Thanks mom_of_five. :)

lurkeyloo
10-22-2009, 09:52 AM
If that info is correct she's tall for her age 9 years old 5'2" and 108 lbs. My 8 yo is only 4'2".

momma0f4
10-22-2009, 09:53 AM
wow, just wow! I hope she is found safe. I really wish they would issue an Amber Alert!!!!

twall
10-22-2009, 09:53 AM
Not another missing little girl-I can't take this anymore! :banghead:

Maybe it's just me being nitpicky and I don't mean to be but IMO it is very important to have an accurate description of your child.

Media outlets are stating that Elizabeth is 5'2" and weighs a bit over 100 lbs. and she is 9-does that sound accurate? That sounds like a description of my 14 yr. old daughter.

Also, I noticed Somer's height was 3' 5" later changed to 3' 7" which still does not sound accurate. My almost 5 yr. old is 44 inches tall which equals
3' 8" and Somer is well over 7.

KaylynnCouture
10-22-2009, 09:53 AM
I found another photo of Elizabeth.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=188001&catid=3

http://i36.tinypic.com/nzg40g.jpg

twall
10-22-2009, 09:54 AM
If that info is correct she's tall for her age 9 years old 5'2" and 108 lbs. My 8 yo is only 4'2".

Oh, thank goodness it's not just me that found the info. way off!!!
Thank you!!!!!!

RAELON
10-22-2009, 09:54 AM
This is about 40 mins south of here and it starts getting dark around 6pm. IMO she didnt need to be walking but alot of parents accept it. On a country road too.


http://www.komu.com/KOMU/Images/2009October17071650/7bd08cc4-80ce-0971-01fb-c584a25a635c.jpg

BTW West ITA they should have issued a Amber Alert. According to the Familywatchdog.us there are 34 SO's in the immediate area.

KaylynnCouture
10-22-2009, 09:55 AM
If that info is correct she's tall for her age 9 years old 5'2" and 108 lbs. My 8 yo is only 4'2".

She must be really tall for her age. Either that, or a typo. 5'2 is TALL for a 9 year old.

KaylynnCouture
10-22-2009, 09:56 AM
Does anyone know what the closest major city to St. Martins MO is? Just for media outlet purposes, I'm not sure where this would get the most coverage. I'm not sure how far cities like St. Louis and Kansas City are.

kikid
10-22-2009, 09:59 AM
I think its pretty much in the middle between KC and St. Louis.

swanniee11
10-22-2009, 10:02 AM
without an actual address, I googled (earth) the Route D location, there are on/off ramps to route 50 right there where she was to be walking. I'm looking for parents names to see if I can find the exact address.IMO

kikid
10-22-2009, 10:02 AM
Anyone heard about what type of searches are happening? I hope they are scouring alongside that country road inch by inch, because in addition to the possibility of an abduction is a hit and run type situation. If someone driving a gravel road fast at dusk hit her, they may have thought they hit a small deer or something. Just my first thoughts in this situation.

I wish we knew exactly what part of that road she was walking, and if it was close to hwy 50. There is an on ramp right there to the hwy.

kikid
10-22-2009, 10:04 AM
without an actual address, I googled (earth) the Route D location, there are on/off ramps to route 50 right there where she was to be walking. I'm looking for parents names to see if I can find the exact address.IMO

jinx you owe me a coke - lol

your post registered first but they were timestamped the same. ;)

swanniee11
10-22-2009, 10:10 AM
www.newstribune.com (http://www.newstribune.com)

alittle more info

kikid
10-22-2009, 10:11 AM
according to this article they lived right there near the Hwy. there are several homes close together there -

http://www.newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/22/breaking_news/doc4adfc3af00522694256245.txt

kikid
10-22-2009, 10:13 AM
you beat me to that one!

gaia227
10-22-2009, 10:13 AM
I grew up in Missouri and went to the Jeff. City area often as I had a friend who lived there. The area is rural, there is a lot of foresty areas, country roads, etc. That area in Missouri is pretty well known for their production of meth as well.
I am total agreement she should have no way been walking a lone on a country road like that. Being a small town I think people feel safe and have notions that nothing like this happens in small towns and rural America. Those of us who frequent WS know that is not the case but a lot of people don't keep up with missing people, abductions, homicides, etc and just don't know how many RSO's there are living around them, how many kids are abducted every day, etc.

I hope Elizabeth is found safe but oh, it doesn't look good.

RAELON
10-22-2009, 10:17 AM
Does anyone know what the closest major city to St. Martins MO is? Just for media outlet purposes, I'm not sure where this would get the most coverage. I'm not sure how far cities like St. Louis and Kansas City are.
It is Jefferson City here is the major news for them
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=366189

But our local news here in Columbia does a good job most of the time with MU journalists.

http://www.komu.com (http://www.komu.com/)

http://www.kmiz.com (http://www.kmiz.com/)

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 10:17 AM
www.newstribune.com (http://www.newstribune.com)

alittle more info


according to this article they lived right there near the Hwy. there are several homes close together there -

http://www.newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/22/breaking_news/doc4adfc3af00522694256245.txt

Thx for this link seems like this media outlet has been the best at updating on this case. There is still not much information out there.

RAELON
10-22-2009, 10:19 AM
I have to go run errands but it has been raining nonstop since about midnight on so I hope she is safe and sound with a friend and not out in the weather all night. Just a wish

swanniee11
10-22-2009, 10:20 AM
you beat me to that one!


are you following me? lol.....

gaia227
10-22-2009, 10:20 AM
Here is the location where the command post is set up:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&source=hp&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=1007+lomo+drive+jefferson+city,+mo+65109&fb=1&gl=us&hnear=1007+lomo+drive+jefferson+city,+mo+65109&cid=0,0,2344290014287871566&ei=9GngSp6xKs-RlAf05dmEDw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CA4QnwIwAA

(I tried to link it directly to street view but doesn't work so you can click street view and get a pretty good idea of the area).

elle1919
10-22-2009, 10:22 AM
She must be really tall for her age. Either that, or a typo. 5'2 is TALL for a 9 year old.

I am 36 and I am not even 5'2, almost, but not quite.

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 10:30 AM
You have got to be kidding me! Another little girl is missing while walking ALONE???? This is not good! Not good at all!

Does she have a NCMEC poster yet? Off to check!

maswondering2
10-22-2009, 10:31 AM
well they need to call the investigators from clay county...those people were on top of their games finding Somer as quickly as they did ! Take lessons people! do what these guys did! Issue an Amber alert! get on this ! act fast!

raeann
10-22-2009, 10:33 AM
It has been daylight in this area for more than two hours now, any updates yet from the local news in Mo. ?

Jersey*Girl
10-22-2009, 10:34 AM
Please refer to the link below. Why is this article worded like this? Please tell me the authorities didn't stop their search last night...RESUME! Are you friggin' kidding me?

http://www.fortmilltimes.com/124/story/827875.html

Quote
A Cole County sheriff's deputy says the search was scheduled to resume early Thursday.
Unquote

mtrooper
10-22-2009, 10:39 AM
Looks like Jefferson City is closest followed by Columbia, but I am not sure which is bigger. Looks like FOX 2 is just an affiliate station. here is the local Topix site: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV

dhchick04
10-22-2009, 10:45 AM
Looks like Jefferson City is closest followed by Columbia, but I am not sure which is bigger. Looks like FOX 2 is just an affiliate station. here is the local Topix site: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV


Fox 2 is the St. Louis Fox news channel. It also is seen is the surrounding metro area.

Praying this little girl is found. It is a cold and rainy day today in Missouri. :(

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 10:45 AM
I cannot believe she doesn't have a NCMEC poster yet!!!!! This is crazy!!!! She is nine freaking years old....

crisnnan98
10-22-2009, 10:46 AM
I really don't understand their hesitation in putting out these amber alerts. They should get right on it, not wait. It doesn't make any sense to not do it right away. If it's a mistake they can just take it down.

mtrooper
10-22-2009, 10:47 AM
Small town....
Population in July 2008: 1,122

Columbia has 80,000 people
St.Louis is 113 miles away, so not too far.

mom_of_five
10-22-2009, 10:49 AM
It could just be me, but why isn't an Amber Alert issued whenever ANY child is missing?? Even if the child has run away, shouldn't our children be WORTH losing $$ looking for them? It boggles my mind.

Hopeful One
10-22-2009, 10:49 AM
I really don't understand their hesitation in putting out these amber alerts. They should get right on it, not wait. It doesn't make any sense to not do it right away. If it's a mistake they can just take it down.

I agree. A young child goes missing and they don't think it requires an Amber Alert? I would say the vast majority of these are not run-aways, especially when they are gone overnight.

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 10:50 AM
I cannot believe she doesn't have a NCMEC poster yet!!!!! This is crazy!!!! She is nine freaking years old....

I completely agree!

This sweet little girl is out there somewhere. It has been raining there. there should've been an amber alert. Then all the people going to work this morning would've seen her info on the message boards.
Why do they wait? I would rather see the amber alert cancelled the same day.

mtrooper
10-22-2009, 10:50 AM
Not many RSO's in the area

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ViewOffenderDetails.asp?oID=MO637070&aID=210481459&at=1&sid={C008B6A5-F623-43CC-A39F-47DE6DD244AC}&lat=38.551584&long=-92.274487&clr=%23ff0000&rm=0

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 10:52 AM
Not many RSO's in the area
http://www.familywatchdog.us/ViewOffenderDetails.asp?oID=MO637070&aID=210481459&at=1&sid={C008B6A5-F623-43CC-A39F-47DE6DD244AC}&lat=38.551584&long=-92.274487&clr=%23ff0000&rm=0

Unfortunately one is too many.

Amster
10-22-2009, 10:52 AM
Did anyone actually see her walking home?

mtrooper
10-22-2009, 10:53 AM
Statutory sodomy, second degree, penalty.
566.064. 1. A person commits the crime of statutory sodomy in the second degree if being twenty-one years of age or older, he has deviate sexual intercourse with another person who is less than seventeen years of age.

2. Statutory sodomy in the second degree is a class C felony.


http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5660000064.HTM

Hopeful One
10-22-2009, 10:54 AM
Unfortunately one is too many.

You're right. And as I said on one of Somer's threads, what about the SOs who haven't been caught yet? This almost scares me more than the ones who have a record because they can even more easily slide under the radar.

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 10:55 AM
check out the 10th comment on this page:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox2now/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 10:58 AM
You're right. And as I said on one of Somer's threads, what about the SOs who haven't been caught yet? This almost scares me more than the ones who have a record because they can even more easily slide under the radar.

I have a friend who worked at the local constables office. She told me the ones to really worry about are the ones who have never been caught, and the ones who have moved and failed to register. The system is so overworked these people who have not registered have nothing to fear. One thing I have learned from this website is they seem to flock around rv parks and motels. JMO

mom_of_five
10-22-2009, 10:59 AM
Wow. Go here, choose map search, type in 65109 as the zip code, and feast your eyes on the results. Absolutely crazy.

http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/CJ38/searchRegistry.jsp

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 11:01 AM
check out the 10th comment on this page:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox2now/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV
also check out the comment by the family friend...

She claims that Elizabeth was sent home from the friend's house but the mother did not know it...

The 10th comment is interesting but not sure if it relates (just having the same last name)... not sure tho?

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 11:01 AM
MO-Jasmine Haslag- missing since 6/18/07 from Jefferson City MO - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Could the Dale Olten in this case have anything to do with Elizabeth?

mtrooper
10-22-2009, 11:01 AM
the RSO lives 1.1 miles from where I approximate her friends house to be
<iframe width="425" height="350" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;source=s_d&amp;saddr=Rte+D,+Jefferson+City,+C ole,+Missouri+65109&amp;daddr=6824+MCDONNE+LANE+jeffer son+City+MO&amp;geocode=FV60TAIdxTh_-g%3B&amp;gl=us&amp;hl=en&amp;mra=ls&amp;sll=38.593143,-92.322428&amp;sspn=0.006507,0.019205&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=38.588 425,-92.326715&amp;spn=0.01417,0.00293&amp;output=embed"></iframe><br /><small><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;source=embed&amp;saddr=Rte+D,+Jefferson+City, +Cole,+Missouri+65109&amp;daddr=6824+MCDONNE+LANE+jeff erson+City+MO&amp;geocode=FV60TAIdxTh_-g%3B&amp;gl=us&amp;hl=en&amp;mra=ls&amp;sll=38.593143,-92.322428&amp;sspn=0.006507,0.019205&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=38.588 425,-92.326715&amp;spn=0.01417,0.00293" style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left">View Larger Map</a></small>

Amster
10-22-2009, 11:04 AM
Hopefully, LE is checking out the last place this little girl was seen.

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 11:05 AM
our weather is horrible right now in the leavenworth area! (near weston, MO).. I am sure it is equally horrible.. also, if there are any locals here.. was it raining there last night? It was pouring here... (just wondering why she would walk home from a friend's house in the rain???)

just checked the weather... they are getting the same stuff we have right now
http://www.wunderground.com/US/MO/Saint_Martins.html

swanniee11
10-22-2009, 11:06 AM
Did anyone actually see her walking home?


I was thinking this same thing. Did Elizabeth call home and tell her mom she was on her way or did this 6:15pm info come from the friends family? IMO

Angleena
10-22-2009, 11:06 AM
I really don't understand their hesitation in putting out these amber alerts. They should get right on it, not wait. It doesn't make any sense to not do it right away. If it's a mistake they can just take it down.

They haven't posted an Amber Alert yet because they haven't met the criteria for one yet. Here are the guidelines...
http://www.amberalert.gov/guidelines.htm

Hopeful One
10-22-2009, 11:07 AM
our weather is horrible right now in the leavenworth area! (near weston, MO).. I am sure it is equally horrible.. also, if there are any locals here.. was it raining there last night? It was pouring here... (just wondering why she would walk home from a friend's house in the rain???)

just checked the weather... they are getting the same stuff we have right now
http://www.wunderground.com/US/MO/Saint_Martins.html

BBM - Good point, hadn't thought of that. Would like to hear from locals on the weather too.

Did she go to this friend's house straight after school?

Jersey*Girl
10-22-2009, 11:13 AM
Not many RSO's in the area

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ViewOffenderDetails.asp?oID=MO637070&aID=210481459&at=1&sid={C008B6A5-F623-43CC-A39F-47DE6DD244AC}&lat=38.551584&long=-92.274487&clr=%23ff0000&rm=0

mtrooper, respectfully - yes, there are. Look at this:

I went to familywatchdog.us and typed in route d st. martins missouri...the results are 94 RSO and 15 Unmappable. It's important to note that Route D turns into Lomo Drive. The little squares that you see are all RSO...just imagine the ones that haven't been caught yet!

http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt263/spedtial/Elizabeth%20Olten/rtdstmartinsmissouri94rso15unmap.jpg

Editing to add: For those that aren't familiar with familywatchdog, the house that you see in the center of the map is actually the center of the radius of St. Martins. If I had typed in Elizabeth's direct address, the house in the center would be her actual residence location.

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 11:16 AM
I cannot believe that there is no new coverage of the search for this little girl!

mom_of_five
10-22-2009, 11:17 AM
Got an RSO just North of where Elizabeth went missing. An A.J. Twyman on McDonnell Lane.

Got another RSO just to the east. G.R. Smith @ Ravenwood Drive.

One to the northeast. R. R. Coleman on Henwick Lane.

Another just to the east. R. L. Wine on Big Horn Drive.

Three just to the Southeast.

lurkeyloo
10-22-2009, 11:18 AM
Does anyone know Elizabeth's Date of Birth yet? I was hoping for a NCMEC poster but there isn't one.

mom_of_five
10-22-2009, 11:22 AM
Looking at the google map of the 600 block of Route D and thinking that I'D be afraid to walk it by myself...and Elizabeth is 9!

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 11:23 AM
Does anyone know Elizabeth's Date of Birth yet? I was hoping for a NCMEC poster but there isn't one.

I have not been able to locate one. there seems to be minimal infomation on her.

She's been missing over 16 hours and no NCMEC poster.

Patty G
10-22-2009, 11:24 AM
It could just be me, but why isn't an Amber Alert issued whenever ANY child is missing?? Even if the child has run away, shouldn't our children be WORTH losing $$ looking for them? It boggles my mind.

The Cole County Sheriff's Department has issued an Endangered Person Advisory as it continues to search for Olten.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7bbf0b31-80ce-0971-0180-18680d5382d5

mtrooper
10-22-2009, 11:27 AM
OK from white pages I found 2 with the last name of Olten. A Dale at 13007 Minnie Street Russellville, MO and a Vicki @ 13014 Jefferson St. Russellville, MO

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 11:27 AM
http://www.colecounty.org/
http://www.colecountysheriff.org/

I cannot find a THING on the sherriff's web site! WTF?

lurkeyloo
10-22-2009, 11:29 AM
Ridiculous! She's not a runaway- She is 9 years old. Amber ALerts should be issued reguardless of whether or not there is vehicle info. Her pciture shoudl be everywhere. This is the most critical time.

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 11:29 AM
The Cole County Sheriff's Department has issued an Endangered Person Advisory as it continues to search for Olten.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7bbf0b31-80ce-0971-0180-18680d5382d5
and it isn't even on their website. Go figure.

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 11:31 AM
Looking at the google map of the 600 block of Route D and thinking that I'D be afraid to walk it by myself...and Elizabeth is 9! mom, can you link your map? tia (((hugs)))

Jersey*Girl
10-22-2009, 11:32 AM
Looking at the google map of the 600 block of Route D and thinking that I'D be afraid to walk it by myself...and Elizabeth is 9!

ditto!

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 11:32 AM
OK from white pages I found 2 with the last name of Olten. A Dale at 13007 Minnie Street Russellville, MO and a Vicki @ 13014 Jefferson St. Russellville, MO

Found that earlier and VD has a myspace and is not the mother or grandma. Her space says she has one daughter and one grandson. The other DD has a myspace also googled his name all I can say is amazing, and I hope he is not kin and still locked up.

Robyn623
10-22-2009, 11:33 AM
Not again!! I am so sick of this happening! This is only 3 hours away from me but I didn't hear anything about it on my local news last night. (Our local news channel covers SE Iowa & Missouri) I'll watch at noon & see if anything is shown then.

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 11:38 AM
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

White told reporters that Olten is not a runaway and that an Amber Alert could be issued later today.

Authorities are currently contacting registered sex offenders in the surrounding areas.

more at the link


Well order the blanking AMBER ALERT already!!!

mom_of_five
10-22-2009, 11:39 AM
mom, can you link your map? tia (((hugs)))

Wish I knew how. Type '600 Route D St. Martins Missouri' into Google Maps and then click on the spot marked and a street view option is given. Click the pic.

mtrooper
10-22-2009, 11:39 AM
I have two other names associated with Dale- Possible ex wifes which might be Elizabeths mom?

CONNERSCHROER, DEBRA A (Age 54)
PREISS, PATRICIA (Age 41)

Robyn623
10-22-2009, 11:40 AM
For crying out loud...stop talking about issuing the alert & JUST DO IT!!!

I tweeted my local station asking them to cover the story & get her face on TV. It makes me so mad that her face isn't out there more.

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 11:41 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Route+D,+st+martins,+mo&daddr=gas+stations,+st+martins,+mo&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=38.584619,-92.324612&sspn=0.001895,0.004801&ie=UTF8&ll=38.584942,-92.32511&spn=0.003791,0.009602&t=h&z=17

it is rural... but also right by a busy highway (rt 50).. and also near an EXIT... in this map I put the gas stations in. Note that point 3 (in yellow) is off the exit that is near D but on the other side.

My logic was to see where there would be a lot of trucks pulling off, etc...

She needs a poster like NOW and it needs to be put out to the truckers imhoo

mtrooper
10-22-2009, 11:43 AM
I looked for D.O on vine link:

Offender ID: 20092220 Offender Name: DALE SCOTT OLTEN Date of Birth: 03/08/1963 Age: 46 Custody Status: Out of Custody Reason: General release Date: 10/15/2009 Race: White Gender: Male

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 11:45 AM
I have two other names associated with Dale- Possible ex wifes which might be Elizabeths mom?

CONNERSCHROER, DEBRA A (Age 54)
PREISS, PATRICIA (Age 41) thank you for this! When I do a white page search for olten in st martins all I get is Dale and the other female that you mentioned who are not even IN St. Martins... will check to see if any of these last names can be found in St. Martins

also... before I lose my other link I was ready to post... here is general info on St. Martins


http://www.citytowninfo.com/places/missouri/st-martins

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 11:46 AM
I looked for D.O on vine link:

Offender ID: 20092220 Offender Name: D OLTEN Date of Birth: 03/08/1963 Age: 46 Custody Status: Out of Custody Reason: General release Date: 10/15/2009 Race: White Gender: Male

he has a son that is 21 who was his partner in crime

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 11:48 AM
I have two other names associated with Dale- Possible ex wifes which might be Elizabeths mom?

CONNERSCHROER, DEBRA A (Age 54)
PREISS, PATRICIA (Age 41)
white pages being the white pages they are (sometimes not the best) none of these surnames comes up for st martins

Robyn623
10-22-2009, 11:49 AM
So is the son Elizabeth's brother? Are we positive that the older guy is her dad?

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 11:49 AM
nursebee

Youasked about rain last night. On this article is a photo slide and is hows them searching last night, and it doesn't appear to be raining. Although it is now.

http://newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/22/breaking_news/doc4adfc3af00522694256245.txt

mtrooper
10-22-2009, 11:50 AM
I found D.O. on MO offender search.
https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/searchOffender.do?docId=502689&method=getOffender

Patty G
10-22-2009, 11:50 AM
October 21, 2009
Sunset: 6:15pm

Weather for Clay County, Missouri
59°F | °C
Current: Light rain
Wind: E at 7 mph
Humidity: 100%Thu

58°F | 40°FFri

45°F | 36°FSat

56°F | 41°FSun

56°F | 43°F

Robyn623
10-22-2009, 11:51 AM
I found D.O. on MO offender search.
https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/searchOffender.do?docId=502689&method=getOffender

He's a scary looking dude! :eek:

mtrooper
10-22-2009, 11:52 AM
And here is his son:
Apple didnt fall far away from the tree.
https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/searchOffender.do?docId=1160141&method=getOffender

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 11:52 AM
So is the son Elizabeth's brother? Are we positive that the older guy is her dad?

no we are just trying to figure it out still

mom_of_five
10-22-2009, 11:52 AM
he has a son that is 21 who was his partner in crime

Just released on the 15th? Hm.

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 11:57 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Route+D,+st+martins,+mo&daddr=1007+Lomo+Dr,+Jefferson+City,+MO+65109-0009+(Xtreme+Body+%26+Paint)&hl=en&geocode=%3BCQolnD3k-KfAFcmWTAIdmjt_-iFOvh_wWJeIIA&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=38.563288,-92.585698&sspn=0.970716,2.458191&ie=UTF8&ll=38.573535,-92.32393&spn=0.001896,0.004801&t=h&z=18

xtreme body and paint (point b) is where the command post is set up (according to the snip below) and is near her home... so we have a better idea of where she lives at...



A command post was set up at Xtreme Body and Paint, near the girl's home, and approximately 50 members of various law enforcement and emergency response agencies came to the scene.

Some of the members stayed with the mobile command unit at the post while the rest were sent out to search on foot in an area approximately half-a-mile by half-a-mile in size. Some of these members also carried mobile infra-red units to try to find any heat signatures in the woods.

Later in the evening, a Missouri Highway Patrol helicopter, also equipped with infra-red equipment, searched the area.

Family members told reporters there is a pond in the area and that searchers had been looking around it.
http://www.newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/22/breaking_news/doc4adfc3af00522694256245.txt

nobodyzgirl
10-22-2009, 11:58 AM
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

White told reporters that Olten is not a runaway and that an Amber Alert could be issued later today.

Authorities are currently contacting registered sex offenders in the surrounding areas.

more at the link


Well order the blanking AMBER ALERT already!!!

Slightly off topic, though relevant I believe. Recently, in Ontario, Canada, a young 8 year old went missing walking home from school and LE did not issue an amber alert, unfortunately it ended tragically for the 8 year old, though the good news out of that tragedy, is LE and the government have taken a good hard look at the way amber alerts are issued in Ontario, and because of this tragedy, they are changing the way amber alerts are issued. Hopefully for Elizabeth, it doesn't end in tragedy and the amber alert gets changed in this area. Come home safe Elizabeth!!

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 12:00 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Route+D,+st+martins,+mo&daddr=1007+Lomo+Dr,+Jefferson+City,+MO+65109-0009+(Xtreme+Body+%26+Paint)&hl=en&geocode=%3BCQolnD3k-KfAFcmWTAIdmjt_-iFOvh_wWJeIIA&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=38.563288,-92.585698&sspn=0.970716,2.458191&ie=UTF8&ll=38.573535,-92.32393&spn=0.001896,0.004801&t=h&z=18

xtreme body and paint (point b) is where the command post is set up (according to the snip below) and is near her home... so we have a better idea of where she lives at...

http://www.newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/22/breaking_news/doc4adfc3af00522694256245.txt

I google earthed the lomo address for the xtreme paint and body, and that route D is scary looking. Lots of curves and looks like a fairly busy road. poor baby!!

Wonder if there is a scanner online for this area?

Texas Mist
10-22-2009, 12:04 PM
Updated Info


ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 10:41 am:

KRCG news has learned that missing 9 year-old Elizabeth Olten had a cell phone on her when she she disappeared.

She sheriff's department contacted the cell phone provider, AT&T, who "pinged" the cell phone to triangulate its location.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

swanniee11
10-22-2009, 12:04 PM
Although i'm glad they have these sex offenders registered, it just isn't enough. It does allow us to know about where they are, it gives the police a place to look but its all AFTER THE FACT. It's not protecting our children. Great, a child goes missing and they go around and check out the sex offenders, maybe one of them did it, maybe not but the damage is done. There needs to be more, I don't know, this whole thing makes me sick, day after day. I'm sitting here talking about another child missing and watching news on Somer and it just makes me absolutely sick. Sorry, I have to vent. Enough is enough.

amandab
10-22-2009, 12:04 PM
From the above article:

"AT&T put the cell phone's location deep in the woods near Elizabeth's home. The family says Elizabeth would not have been walking in the woods to get home from her friend's house.
There are only four homes between the friends house and Elizabeth's, and the family says she normally walked near the road.

AT&T says the cell phone is not responding to pings anymore and probably ran out of batteries, the phone company says it will continue to monitor the phone in case it turns back on."

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 12:05 PM
KRCG news has learned that missing 9 year-old Elizabeth Olten had a cell phone on her when she she disappeared.

She sheriff's department contacted the cell phone provider, AT&T, who "pinged" the cell phone to triangulate its location.

AT&T put the cell phone's location deep in the woods near Elizabeth's home. The family says Elizabeth would not have been walking in the woods to get home from her friend's house.
There are only four homes between the friends house and Elizabeth's, and the family says she normally walked near the road.

AT&T says the cell phone is not responding to pings anymore and probably ran out of batteries, the phone company says it will continue to monitor the phone in case it turns back on.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 12:06 PM
Updated Info


ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 10:41 am:

KRCG news has learned that missing 9 year-old Elizabeth Olten had a cell phone on her when she she disappeared.

She sheriff's department contacted the cell phone provider, AT&T, who "pinged" the cell phone to triangulate its location.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

I'm being hopeful. My 10 yr old son has a cellphone that he forgets to charge. Seems like everytime I try to call him the thing is dead. So maybe her phone is off and she couldn't call out. Hopefully it was on long enough for them to locate the ping.

gaia227
10-22-2009, 12:06 PM
Looks like Jefferson City is closest followed by Columbia, but I am not sure which is bigger. Looks like FOX 2 is just an affiliate station. here is the local Topix site: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV


Columbia is about twice the size of Jefferson City as far as population.

Columbia is somewhere around 80,000 and Jeff. City around 40,000.

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 12:07 PM
The Cole County Sheriff tells reporters they could use more volunteers in the search for a missing girl.

During a 9am press conference Monday Sheriff Greg White said anyone interested in helping search for Elizabeth Olten should come to the St. Martins' VFW or call the sheriff's department at 573-634-9160.

White says the rain is making for a difficult search and that they are currently using search dogs and are considering using a helicopter.

White told reporters that Olten is not a runaway and that an Amber Alert could be issued later today.

Authorities are currently contacting registered sex offenders in the surrounding areas.

from same link I posted above

Robyn623
10-22-2009, 12:09 PM
I'm really hoping they can find that cell phone. I am very worried about it being deep in the woods though. :(

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 12:10 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Route+D,+st+martins,+mo&daddr=1007+Lomo+Dr,+Jefferson+City,+MO+65109-0009+(Xtreme+Body+%26+Paint)&hl=en&geocode=%3BCQolnD3k-KfAFcmWTAIdmjt_-iFOvh_wWJeIIA&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=38.563288,-92.585698&sspn=0.970716,2.458191&ie=UTF8&ll=38.578601,-92.332771&spn=0.007582,0.019205&t=h&z=16

thick woods by her house...

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 12:10 PM
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

Hmm. Wouldn't the ping just be the tower? We have towers deep in the woods in our rural area. I would think they would have one tower that would cover up to two miles. I have been watching the Channon Christain trial and they say in rural areas the tower will cover more area.

i have not seen a case where they could let exactly where a phone was due to a ping it has always been within an area.

Guess I'll take that article with a grain a salt till they come out with more.

Texas Mist
10-22-2009, 12:10 PM
I'm being hopeful. My 10 yr old son has a cellphone that he forgets to charge. Seems like everytime I try to call him the thing is dead. So maybe her phone is off and she couldn't call out. Hopefully it was on long enough for them to locate the ping.

hopefully it gives them a place to take a K9 team & searchers with infra-red devices.

I'm still sick to my stomach from the news about Somer yesterday...I can't believe the nightmare of a missing little girl has started all over again.

Prayers for angels to watch over her.

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 12:11 PM
Fox news just had info on Elizabeth.

Nothing new just her info and a picture, but at least she is getting national exposer!!

Robyn623
10-22-2009, 12:11 PM
I really wish I could go down to help search today but I have no one to pick up my kids from school. My mom is out of town today. I'm praying she is found soon!

scout35
10-22-2009, 12:14 PM
Just heard about Elizabeth. Praying she is found soon and safe!

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 12:15 PM
I have kept up with the topix comments... and mtrooper...going along with your DO theory... well... the family friend has posted a comment that you really need to check out... it fits your theory... I know we are not allowed to cut and paste the comments but here is a link to them. Commenter's name is Michelle

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 12:21 PM
So is Lomo dr another name for Route D?

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 12:21 PM
http://www.newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/22/breaking_news/doc4ae083b2bc475853940788.txt

Officials have listed Olten as an “endangered missing person.” No Amber Alert had been called as of 9:30 a.m. Thursday, White said, because authorities don’t believe foul play is involved.

A computer check of sex offenders in the area didn’t turn up any leads, White said.


everybody hum the barny fife song together!

um... they checked the rso's with a computer? really? Please let this be misreporting.

no amber alert because they think there is no foul play? yet they said she is not a runaway and was scared of the woods. Okay. Please pass the motrin.

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 12:27 PM
http://www.newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/22/breaking_news/doc4ae083b2bc475853940788.txt


everybody hum the barny fife song together!

um... they checked the rso's with a computer? really? Please let this be misreporting.

no amber alert because they think there is no foul play? yet they said she is not a runaway and was scared of the woods. Okay. Please pass the motrin.

So are they thinking this could be a family abduction? Well maybe not MOST LE would order an Amber Alert for that also. wonder what they are thinking?
Just because her phone has pinged in the woods does not mean se ran off in the woods at night. Some POS could've snatched her and threw the phone in the woods to keep from being found.

What would it hurt to put out an Amber Alert? Can you really put a price on a child's life?

Robyn623
10-22-2009, 12:31 PM
http://www.newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/22/breaking_news/doc4ae083b2bc475853940788.txt


everybody hum the barny fife song together!

um... they checked the rso's with a computer? really? Please let this be misreporting.

no amber alert because they think there is no foul play? yet they said she is not a runaway and was scared of the woods. Okay. Please pass the motrin.

OMG...I seriously hope that is just bad reporting. For crying out loud...what can they see on a computer?! Get off your arses and go visit these guys!!! :banghead:

amandab
10-22-2009, 12:32 PM
What I want to know is why they have had the time to publish the info about the phone probably being in the woods, but yet we haven't heard about an extensive search at that location taking place??

That info should have led them there, immediately.

ElizaAvalon
10-22-2009, 12:33 PM
Good lord. Somebody in MO: DO SOMETHING!!!

I'm quite impressed with the Clay County Sheriff. Need more like him. Stat.

Hopeful One
10-22-2009, 12:34 PM
Updated Info


ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 10:41 am:

KRCG news has learned that missing 9 year-old Elizabeth Olten had a cell phone on her when she she disappeared.

She sheriff's department contacted the cell phone provider, AT&T, who "pinged" the cell phone to triangulate its location.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

That doesn't sound good. :(

Kimster
10-22-2009, 12:34 PM
:praying:

I'm afraid to log on to WS at this point......every day.........new kids are missing! The little boy in Colorado was found and I am hoping that will be the case here!

West
10-22-2009, 12:34 PM
So are they thinking this could be a family abduction? Well maybe not MOST LE would order an Amber Alert for that also. wonder what they are thinking?
Just because her phone has pinged in the woods does not mean se ran off in the woods at night. Some POS could've snatched her and threw the phone in the woods to keep from being found.

What would it hurt to put out an Amber Alert? Can you really put a price on a child's life?

If its not foul play then what happened?

1.) Runaway-- Literally could only run away, can't drive, no ID on her, 9 YEARS OLD, how far is she going to get on foot considering she's afraid of woods and dark according to family and LE?

2.) Accident victim-- Could be a possibility since she was walking along a road at night by herself, no reflective clothes on. A hit and run situation could have happened...however, the child is still missing and hasn't been found in any ground searches.

3.) Stranger abduction-- plausible, considering the some of her wonderful RSO neighbors...and those are only the ones that have gotten caught in the past.

4.) Family abduction-- Could indicate why she's being considered endangered missing person? However, even family abductions are usually give an Amber Alert, we just had one in my town the other for a non-custodial parent who had not returned with a child by pre-set time of meeting!

5.) Balloon boy hoax--I doubt she's hiding in the attic.

KaylynnCouture
10-22-2009, 12:36 PM
Thank goodness she had a cell phone that could be pinged.

Praying for good news. Come home Elizabeth!

elle1919
10-22-2009, 12:36 PM
Slightly off topic, though relevant I believe. Recently, in Ontario, Canada, a young 8 year old went missing walking home from school and LE did not issue an amber alert, unfortunately it ended tragically for the 8 year old, though the good news out of that tragedy, is LE and the government have taken a good hard look at the way amber alerts are issued in Ontario, and because of this tragedy, they are changing the way amber alerts are issued. Hopefully for Elizabeth, it doesn't end in tragedy and the amber alert gets changed in this area. Come home safe Elizabeth!!

thank you for that. I think that the local government needs to take a good hard long look at children walking home from school. I understand buses and such are costly but nothing is worth more than a child's life.

Kimster
10-22-2009, 12:39 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569073,00.html

No comments from locals on the media site? They are important to read when a case breaks...I'll keep looking.

Texas Mist
10-22-2009, 12:40 PM
That doesn't sound good. :(

ITA - it is very disturbing....we have to pray this little girl is found safe.

It's almost surreal that this is happening AGAIN!!

Kimster
10-22-2009, 12:43 PM
UPDATE: Thursday 9:35 am:

The Cole County Sheriff tells reporters they could use more volunteers in the search for a missing girl.

During a 9am press conference Monday Sheriff Greg White said anyone interested in helping search for Elizabeth Olten should come to the St. Martins' VFW or call the sheriff's department at 573-634-9160.

White says the rain is making for a difficult search and that they are currently using search dogs and are considering using a helicopter.

White told reporters that Olten is not a runaway and that an Amber Alert could be issued later today.

Authorities are currently contacting registered sex offenders in the surrounding areas.<snipped>
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

Do we have any members who are locals? LE is asking for more volunteers! We need a posse in Missouri!!!

ElizaAvalon
10-22-2009, 12:44 PM
Come on. This is no family abduction. Family wouldn't throw her phone deep in the woods, they would simply take it from her and and turn it off.

Sheesh, this is not rocket science. They shouldn't be letting all this time go by without getting that beautiful girl's face out there!!!

How scary is this world that a 9-year-old girl needs an escort to walk 4 houses away to a friend's? 4 HOUSES!!!

lillygator
10-22-2009, 12:45 PM
this is crazy. Issue an Ambert Alert already.

Does every county have an action plan in place and ready to go when a child is reported missing?

ElizaAvalon
10-22-2009, 12:45 PM
UPDATE: Thursday 9:35 am:

The Cole County Sheriff tells reporters they could use more volunteers in the search for a missing girl.

During a 9am press conference Monday Sheriff Greg White said anyone interested in helping search for Elizabeth Olten should come to the St. Martins' VFW or call the sheriff's department at 573-634-9160.

White says the rain is making for a difficult search and that they are currently using search dogs and are considering using a helicopter.

White told reporters that Olten is not a runaway and that an Amber Alert could be issued later today.

Authorities are currently contacting registered sex offenders in the surrounding areas.<snipped>
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

Do we have any members who are locals? LE is asking for more volunteers! We need a posse in Missouri!!!


GAH!!!

CONSIDERING using a helicopter???

What the frick is the holdup with the amber alert? How hard is it to push that button I want to know?

amandab
10-22-2009, 12:46 PM
At this rate she'll be found (one way or another) before the AA comes out.

kikid
10-22-2009, 12:49 PM
thank you for that. I think that the local government needs to take a good hard long look at children walking home from school. I understand buses and such are costly but nothing is worth more than a child's life.

unfortunately, not all kids riding school buses are necessarily safe either due to child on child violence these days, in the teen yrs especially - but you are right there has to be something that can be done and for sure 7 yr olds shouldn't be walking 2 miles unaccompanied.

snowshuze
10-22-2009, 12:50 PM
I sincerely hope the parent that sent her home before contacting her mother is out there mucking through the rain helping search for her. :(

KaylynnCouture
10-22-2009, 12:50 PM
There needs to be an Amber Alert issued. Come on.

SuziQ
10-22-2009, 12:51 PM
Her phone pinged in the woods? Oh man.......

SuziQ
10-22-2009, 12:52 PM
FWIW, they have dogs specifically for sniffing out cell phones. I've only known them to be used in a prison situtation tho.

Texas Mist
10-22-2009, 12:52 PM
Even with school buses for all, they'd practically need armed guards watching over them getting on & off the school bus -- AND escorted to their front door & not left alone until safe inside.

Too many little ones missing around school bus stops -- easy targets for those with the very worst of intentions.

JMOOOC.

Kimster
10-22-2009, 12:53 PM
Clay County needs to call LE here and light a fire under their butts!!! I wrote a comment to the news article telling them how to handle this! And I'm just an armchair amateur!!!

Jersey*Girl
10-22-2009, 12:57 PM
I sincerely hope the parent that sent her home before contacting her mother is out there mucking through the rain helping search for her. :(

I've read that Elizabeth's friend's mother did not send her home & didn't even know she left.

What I want to know is what types of animals are in that area (besides human form)? I also want to know why the didn't want volunteers last night but now today they do? Maybe backlash from the public or family?

Why are they still in the process of talking to the RSO in that area? Shouldn't that have been done last night, throughout the entire night, until they were finished? How many are on monitoring devices? How many are predators of children, rather than older teens or adults?

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 12:59 PM
I've read that Elizabeth's friend's mother did not send her home & didn't even know she left.

What I want to know is what types of animals are in that area (besides human form)? I also want to know why the didn't want volunteers last night but now today they do? Maybe backlash from the public or family?

Why are they still in the process of talking to the RSO in that area? Shouldn't that have been done last night, throughout the entire night, until they were finished? How many are on monitoring devices? How many are predators of children, rather than older teens or adults?
bbm

where did you read that jg? could you link? tia

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 01:00 PM
I've read that Elizabeth's friend's mother did not send her home & didn't even know she left.

What I want to know is what types of animals are in that area (besides human form)? I also want to know why the didn't want volunteers last night but now today they do? Maybe backlash from the public or family?

Why are they still in the process of talking to the RSO in that area? Shouldn't that have been done last night, throughout the entire night, until they were finished? How many are on monitoring devices? How many are predators of children, rather than older teens or adults?

BBM: now that makes me suspicous of everyone in the friends household.

SuziQ
10-22-2009, 01:02 PM
I guess the friends family should be checked out as well as Elizabeths family. She may never have left the friends, or made it home and something happened.....just sayin.

RAELON
10-22-2009, 01:03 PM
check out the 10th comment on this page:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox2now/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV

I was wondering if they were related:
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=266703

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 01:03 PM
according to topix poster Michelle, mom's name is P goes along with one of the names of the ex's of DO. hmmmm

SuziQ
10-22-2009, 01:04 PM
IMO, it seems like an area where stranger danger would be unlikely as a stranger would stand out. Urban areas have more stranger on stranger crime. Rural areas it's usually family on family crime or by someone close to the family.

Kimster
10-22-2009, 01:05 PM
I'm going to email HLN and get this on the news. We need people in the area to know what is going on so they can help!!!

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 01:07 PM
according to topix poster Michelle, mom's name is P goes along with one of the names of the ex's of DO. hmmmm and according to her the grandparent of the friend did send Elizabeth home without telling her mother

**per the family friend at topix**

HFMC
10-22-2009, 01:09 PM
Wait what?

The Highway Patrol says it hasn't issued an Amber Alert because there isn't enough evidence to suggest Elizabeth was abducted. ??!?!

Where do they think she went on her own? She's 9! Even if there's not enough evidence that she was abducted, time is of the essence here--just issue the alert to get people on the lookout, clearly she is missing and not where she is supposed to be!

Have to say I often struggle to understand the Alert decision making process when the child is so young especially!

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 01:09 PM
IMO, it seems like an area where stranger danger would be unlikely as a stranger would stand out. Urban areas have more stranger on stranger crime. Rural areas it's usually family on family crime or by someone close to the family.
where she lives is also near an on/off ramp to a busy highway (highway 50)... and that worries me for some reason... there also is an auto body business near her (the one I posted earlier where the command post is) but I hear what you are saying about rural areas...

The weather has been so bad last night and today... I don't think she would hide out in this weather in the woods... and it is so cold out!

Jersey*Girl
10-22-2009, 01:10 PM
bbm

where did you read that jg? could you link? tia

on one of the original links supplied. give me a few minutes & i'll try to find it. i also read on that topix site that "michelle" is a friend of the family and elizabeth's mom didn't even know she was on her way home from her friends house. also, i haven't found anything yet that shows it was raining when she left her friend's house. just trying to cover all the bases. give me a few pls...

:blowkiss:

Kimster
10-22-2009, 01:11 PM
There is a Dale O who was a POI in a missing person's case. Is Dale her dad? I am getting ready for an appt. and can't do the sleuthing I'd like to do...Can someone else take this on?

Jersey*Girl
10-22-2009, 01:12 PM
and according to her the grandparent of the friend did send Elizabeth home without telling her mother

**per the family friend at topix**

thx nurse - now i don't have to look for it

phew

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 01:13 PM
on one of the original links supplied. give me a few minutes & i'll try to find it. i also read on that topix site that "michells" is a friend of the family and elizabeth's mom didn;t even know she was on her way home from her friends house. also, i haven't found anything yet that shows it was raining when she left her friend's house. just trying to cover all the bases. give me a few pls...

:blowkiss: no worries! I just wondered... I was reading from the famliy friend on topix that the grandfather sent her home without telling the mother..

too bad the media isn't all over this! LE needs to realize that getting the word out is a good thing....

Kimster
10-22-2009, 01:13 PM
Here's a comment about Dale O. from here on WS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1561965&highlight=dale+olten#post1561965

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 01:14 PM
There is a Dale O who was a POI in a missing person's case. Is Dale her dad? I am getting ready for an appt. and can't do the sleuthing I'd like to do...Can someone else take this on? people are on it kimster.... already posted in here somewhere and this topix poster seems to be confirming it.. hold on and will bump up

Kimster
10-22-2009, 01:16 PM
TY Nurse! Like I said, I'm popping in and out as I'm getting ready for a meeting. My apologies for skipping over that part!

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 01:17 PM
OK from white pages I found 2 with the last name of Olten. A Dale at 13007 Minnie Street Russellville, MO and a Vicki @ 13014 Jefferson St. Russellville, MO
bump up

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 01:17 PM
I have two other names associated with Dale- Possible ex wifes which might be Elizabeths mom?

CONNERSCHROER, DEBRA A (Age 54)
PREISS, PATRICIA (Age 41)
bump up

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 01:18 PM
I looked for D.O on vine link:

Offender ID: 20092220 Offender Name: DALE SCOTT OLTEN Date of Birth: 03/08/1963 Age: 46 Custody Status: Out of Custody Reason: General release Date: 10/15/2009 Race: White Gender: Male
bump up

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 01:18 PM
I found D.O. on MO offender search.
https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/searchOffender.do?docId=502689&method=getOffender
bumpity

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 01:20 PM
Originally Posted by mtrooper http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4325519#post4325519)
I have two other names associated with Dale- Possible ex wifes which might be Elizabeths mom?

CONNERSCHROER, DEBRA A (Age 54)
PREISS, PATRICIA (Age 41)



http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV/p2
now read comment 31 here

snowshuze
10-22-2009, 01:21 PM
Just got an email from a searcher a presser is scheduled at 1.

Texas Mist
10-22-2009, 01:23 PM
Just got an email from a searcher a presser is scheduled at 1.


what station, shuze? did the searcher say?

Kimster
10-22-2009, 01:24 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV/p2
now read comment 31 here

Well! That's what I get from going to page one to page 6, I guess. :crazy:

TY for bumping those up, though. This is very important, IMO.

mistivon
10-22-2009, 01:25 PM
Elizabeth was listed as an “endangered missing person” and the FBI had joined the case, White said. The sheriff said it did not appear that the girl had run away from home, but no Amber Alert had been issued because there was no evidence of an abduction or foul play.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1523510.html

snowshuze
10-22-2009, 01:26 PM
what station, shuze? did the searcher say?

No. I'm looking, though.

grinchmaiden
10-22-2009, 01:27 PM
I hope the presser at 1 includes an Amber Alert. This has been covered on the STL local stations this morning and the noon shows.

ckwood32
10-22-2009, 01:28 PM
Elizabeth was listed as an “endangered missing person” and the FBI had joined the case, White said. The sheriff said it did not appear that the girl had run away from home, but no Amber Alert had been issued because there was no evidence of an abduction or foul play.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1523510.html
So - no abduction, didn't run away - no foul play = no amber alert. So what the he$$ does that leave?

Texas Mist
10-22-2009, 01:29 PM
<snip>

“If you go to Iowa and look at a flat piece of farmland that’s 140 acres, you go, well it’s not that big.’ You translate that to Missouri and you use the same thing, you walk a long time to cover that same amount of land,” White said. “It’s muddy out there now. It’s difficult terrain, it’s difficult weather.”

On Wednesday night, the Missouri State Highway Patrol searched for Elizabeth using a helicopter with a thermal imaging radar. But White said fall foliage hindered that effort.

more here
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1523510.html

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 01:33 PM
http://www.komu.com//satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/61f5f746-80ce-0971-019d-8500acdc7d96

just a guess but maybe this station will have presser??

snowshuze
10-22-2009, 01:37 PM
I'm hoping something local here <Springfield > will show it live.

PeaHen80
10-22-2009, 01:41 PM
http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7d281bde-80ce-0971-01a5-069446a078d2

Not sure if this is even in the area, but seems coincidental. Your thoughts?

lillygator
10-22-2009, 01:42 PM
we really need to change the criteria for amber alerts...I mean, she is 9....

lillygator
10-22-2009, 01:43 PM
http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7d281bde-80ce-0971-01a5-069446a078d2

Not sure if this is even in the area, but seems coincidental. Your thoughts?

wow, ya think after not registering the first time...the cops should have been checking on him?

PeaHen80
10-22-2009, 01:45 PM
wow, ya think after not registering the first time...the cops should have been checking on him?

Not sure if they happened to stop him in a traffic stop or what. Looks like as many times as he's been arrested for failing to register that the cops are watching him. I just wonder if this mug shot is from today or is a past pic... what's going on with his lip?

mtrooper
10-22-2009, 01:47 PM
They need to try and locate her phone it's probably still there in the woods just dead battery

lurkeyloo
10-22-2009, 01:47 PM
wow, ya think after not registering the first time...the cops should have been checking on him?

right? Now he's awaiting bond to be set. Yeah, let's let him out on bond again. I wonder what's he's going to do...um maybe move and NOT register? He needs to stay locked up for that.

mistivon
10-22-2009, 01:51 PM
You guys don't think she's also in the woods with the phone? That's my train of thought...hope I'm wrong :(

mom_of_five
10-22-2009, 01:52 PM
You guys don't think she's also in the woods with the phone? That's my train of thought...hope I'm wrong :(

That was my first thought, too, when I read it pinged there...but another poster mentioned that it could have just been the tower deep in the woods...so I'm a little confused about the ping right now...:waitasec:

lurkeyloo
10-22-2009, 01:52 PM
You guys don't think she's also in the woods with the phone? That's my train of thought...hope I'm wrong :(

You said what I've been thinking, and hoping that I'm wrong. They need to find that phone

gypsyblue
10-22-2009, 01:53 PM
looks like he was arrested only 25 miles up route D from where elizabeth went missing........

mistivon
10-22-2009, 01:56 PM
At least that means they are actually DOING something.
But I DON'T understand why there is not more urgency to find that phone....do they know something we don't....or is there a lot of police activity there we just don't know about because of lack of media coverage?

HFMC
10-22-2009, 01:58 PM
Hoping Elizabeth is ok and found very soon, we've started up a page for her to help get word out accross our network of followers too

http://www.helpfindmychild.net/elizabeth-olten

lillygator
10-22-2009, 01:58 PM
seems like the phone is the only lead they have....why not look for it?

swanniee11
10-22-2009, 01:58 PM
see, this is what I was talking about in regards to so's. Great to know where they are ( if they register) but this guy has been arrested repeatedly for not registering and yet, he's out there. Just not acceptable.

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 02:01 PM
Hoping Elizabeth is ok and found very soon, we've started up a page for her to help get word out accross our network of followers too

http://www.helpfindmychild.net/elizabeth-olten thank you HFMC! I saw that! It is too bad there isn't even a ncmec poster out yet!

snowshuze
10-22-2009, 02:01 PM
http://www.komu.com//satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/61f5f746-80ce-0971-019d-8500acdc7d96

just a guess but maybe this station will have presser??

Just getting the weather camera.

Nothing live on local.


ARGGGG.

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 02:01 PM
okay.. it is one o'clock... . anyone finding a link to the presser?

nursebeeme
10-22-2009, 02:02 PM
wouldn't be surprised if they have no media streaming their presser

mom_of_five
10-22-2009, 02:10 PM
Still no presser?

HFMC
10-22-2009, 02:11 PM
thank you HFMC! I saw that! It is too bad there isn't even a ncmec poster out yet!

your welcome - How long does it normally take for an NCMEC poster to be issued - or is it dependant on when/if local LE's request them?

snowshuze
10-22-2009, 02:18 PM
Latest update I've found anywhere is 12:17.

swanniee11
10-22-2009, 02:19 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MO_MISSING_GIRL_MO_MOOL-?SITE=KMIZTV&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT#


family member said she would have walked thru yards to get home, not hear the road. She would have screamed if approached.

lillygator
10-22-2009, 02:20 PM
did they have a press conference?

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 02:22 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MO_MISSING_GIRL_MO_MOOL-?SITE=KMIZTV&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT#

From that article:

Elizabeth's father, Dale Olten Sr., has been in a Missouri prison since April serving a four-year sentence for drug possession

Onna Adrian, whose daughter-in-law is Elizabeth's older sister, said Elizabeth generally walked home from the friend's house through neighbors' yards rather than along the two-lane county highway that runs past their houses.

Adrian said Elizabeth did not normally hide out and, if confronted, would have screamed and tried to run away.

Texas Mist
10-22-2009, 02:23 PM
ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 1:05 pm:

The FBI has now been called-in to help search for a missing 9 year-old girl.

Hundreds of volunteers are also searching the woods near the rural home of Elizabeth Olten. The location is about 5 miles west of Jefferson City in the town of St. Martins.

....

KRCG news is on the scene of an afternoon press conference and will have updates online.



http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

Tricia
10-22-2009, 02:26 PM
Marc Klaas just checked in. He will be on Nancy Grace tonight to discuss this case.

Marc and his wife, Brad Dennis, and I will be in St. Louis on Saturday for the KlaasKids free Print-A-Thon. Since this is so close to where Elizabeth went missing KlaasKids will be offering whatever they can do to help. They would anyway but at least we will be right there to help out immediately.

I will be traveling early tomorrow but if anything breaks in this case PLEASE call me or email me using my yahoo. I can check that on my phone.
triciastidbits@yahoo.com

With any luck by the time we all arrive in St. Louis Elizabeth will be home safe and sound.

RAELON
10-22-2009, 02:27 PM
did they have a press conference?
Have not seen a link to one yet.

Also Cole county does not have a scanner link sadly they are way behind times and technology I am afraid.

Robyn623
10-22-2009, 02:27 PM
From that article:

Elizabeth's father, Dale Olten Sr., has been in a Missouri prison since April serving a four-year sentence for drug possession

Onna Adrian, whose daughter-in-law is Elizabeth's older sister, said Elizabeth generally walked home from the friend's house through neighbors' yards rather than along the two-lane county highway that runs past their houses.

Adrian said Elizabeth did not normally hide out and, if confronted, would have screamed and tried to run away.


BBM. But, would she have screamed and ran away if she knew the person? Are we looking at someone she might have known?

RAELON
10-22-2009, 02:30 PM
Help find elizabeth Olten! (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?ref=mf) The FBI has now been called-in to help search for a missing 9 year-old girl.Hundreds of volunteers are also searching the woods near the rural home of Elizabeth Olten. The location is about 5 miles west of Jefferson City in the town of St. Martins. E...lizabeth is a 4th grader at nearby Pioneer Trails Elementary School.
From the Help Find Elizabeth Olten FB page

RAELON
10-22-2009, 02:31 PM
Can I link the Facebook page setup for her here?

swanniee11
10-22-2009, 02:32 PM
[quote=jnTexas;4326309]From that article:

Elizabeth's father, Dale Olten Sr., has been in a Missouri prison since April serving a four-year sentence for drug possession

respectfully snipped: it was posted earlier that the father got out of jail on 10/15/09

paris_paris
10-22-2009, 02:34 PM
I've had my map up with the police location at the corner, but have not seen here yet what the house address is, or where it is in location to this corner.

Do we have Elizabeth's house, or the friend's house mapped yet?

ElizaAvalon
10-22-2009, 02:34 PM
Didn't dad get released on Oct. 15th? Or was that his son?

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 02:34 PM
[quote=jnTexas;4326309]From that article:

Elizabeth's father, Dale Olten Sr., has been in a Missouri prison since April serving a four-year sentence for drug possession

respectfully snipped: it was posted earlier that the father got out of jail on 10/15/09

not sure if it was the father or the brother they have the same name and were partners in crime.

ElizaAvalon
10-22-2009, 02:35 PM
BTW, the Mom's name on the previous page is correct. Paternity case in 2007.

Tricia
10-22-2009, 02:35 PM
Can I link the Facebook page setup for her here?

Yes go ahead for now. If it turns out to be bogus we'll pull the link but for now go ahead. We need all the info we can get.

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 02:35 PM
I've had my map up with the police location at the corner, but have not seen here yet what the house address is, or where it is in location to this corner.

Do we have Elizabeth's house, or the friend's house mapped yet?

i don't believe they have released that info as of yet.

RAELON
10-22-2009, 02:36 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?ref=mf......join

Kimster
10-22-2009, 02:40 PM
Godspeed to you, Tricia!!!

ElizaAvalon
10-22-2009, 02:41 PM
Okay, looks to me like both Dales are incarcerated.

Sr. was released from Warren County Jail on 10/15/2009. Now he is in Northeast Correctional Center, which is exactly where Jr. is.

swanniee11
10-22-2009, 02:42 PM
I've had my map up with the police location at the corner, but have not seen here yet what the house address is, or where it is in location to this corner.

Do we have Elizabeth's house, or the friend's house mapped yet?

I read ( I will see if I can find it again ) that she walked from her friends address 600 block to her home 200 block, it didn't say "what block" not sure if its lomo drive or Route D or are they the same? Thats all I have

Robyn623
10-22-2009, 02:43 PM
A poster posted on the FB group says she was last seen near the intersection of Rt D & Hwy 50. So, that would be this area, right?

Edit....I guess I am too far north.

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 02:46 PM
here's a map from 400 to 200 lomo dr, jefferson city, MO (lomo dr is the same road as Route D and I think Jefferson city is the main city and St martin is like the area)

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wl

dreamweaver
10-22-2009, 02:47 PM
I read ( I will see if I can find it again ) that she walked from her friends address 600 block to her home 200 block, it didn't say "what block" not sure if its lomo drive or Route D or are they the same? Thats all I have
------------------------------------

One of the most recent news articles, had someone who said that she usually cut through people's yards instead of walking along the county road.

The cell phone pinging near her home...
if they could find it, they would know where she was when she dropped it.

Kimster
10-22-2009, 02:47 PM
Okay, looks to me like both Dales are incarcerated.

Sr. was released from Warren County Jail on 10/15/2009. Now he is in Northeast Correctional Center, which is exactly where Jr. is.

This is kinda bad news...I was hoping it was a family abduction (in the realm of abductions) as it might be faster to find her, and find her alive!

:praying: for a miracle

winterrose
10-22-2009, 02:49 PM
This is so horrible.I feel sorry for the parents,but I will tell you,it's stupidity that lets a child go anywhere alone now adays.There are laws about the age children can be left alone and I think it's time LE and social services starts putting them into effect and charging parents with neglect.What is more horrible is these children are raped and killed,because noone is watching them.That's who I care about,these kids.If parents start getting charged,you will see less kids killed,harsh and uncompassionate yes,but better than finding a child dead.This is happening all the time.

RAELON
10-22-2009, 02:49 PM
Just before 10 p.m. Wednesday, a Highway Patrol helicopter was searching with infrared sensors near the St. Martins city limits.

http://www.newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/22/breaking_news/doc4adfc3af00522694256245.txt

They searched last night with infared dont know if thats the same as heat seeking but it doesnt mention that they found anything.

I will check back later have to get some work done.

paris_paris
10-22-2009, 02:50 PM
A poster posted on the FB group says she was last seen near the intersection of Rt D & Hwy 50. So, that would be this area, right?

That is north of Highway 50, and is the 100 block. (Police setup is a ways south of Highway 50). Either direction, 200 to 600 is a long walk. Somewhere is said the distance of 4 houses.

SuziQ
10-22-2009, 02:51 PM
Okay, looks to me like both Dales are incarcerated.

Sr. was released from Warren County Jail on 10/15/2009. Now he is in Northeast Correctional Center, which is exactly where Jr. is.

So was he transfered from the jail to the correction center? Or was he released and then rearrested shortly after?

Robyn623
10-22-2009, 02:51 PM
here's a map from 400 to 200 lomo dr, jefferson city, MO (lomo dr is the same road as Route D and I think Jefferson city is the main city and St martin is like the area)

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wl
That link just took me to Google maps. Lets see if this one works:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=400+lomo+dr,+jefferson+city,+MO&daddr=200+lomo+dr,+jefferson+city,+MO&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=38.58449,-92.3256&sspn=0.011205,0.024462&g=200+lomo+dr,+jefferson+city,+MO&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 02:55 PM
That link just took me to Google maps. Lets see if this one works:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=400+lomo+dr,+jefferson+city,+MO&daddr=200+lomo+dr,+jefferson+city,+MO&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=38.58449,-92.3256&sspn=0.011205,0.024462&g=200+lomo+dr,+jefferson+city,+MO&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17

thx!! Its looks like .2 miles and 7 houses in that stretch.

swanniee11
10-22-2009, 02:58 PM
ok, i google earthed the 200 block and 600 block, I don't think it was that far, thats one heck of a longer distance then 1/4 mile, I think at the 200 block are 4-5 houses, open back yards and the woods behind the houses (which is being searched now) this would make more sense to me again IMO

winterrose
10-22-2009, 03:03 PM
I found Dale Jr's myspace,but to see it,you have to go up to

View
click page style and
click no style

After you see it just go back up into
View and
click Basic Style

It will give you normal viewing again.Interesting family,I'd say.

gliving
10-22-2009, 03:05 PM
I see the FBI has been called in. I'm not really up on this, but don't they have to believe state lines have been crossed, as in a kidnapping, to call in the FBI?

TIA>

ElizaAvalon
10-22-2009, 03:06 PM
So was he transfered from the jail to the correction center? Or was he released and then rearrested shortly after?

I'm not sure if this is allowed so please delete if a no-no:

From VINELink:

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/images/view_16.gif (https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=26000&agency=900&id=00502689&searchType=offender) OLTEN DALE S 03/08/1963 46 In Custody Northeast Correctional Center Missouri Dept of Corrections (http://javascript<b></b>:openWizardWindow('/vinelink/agencyDetails.do?siteId=26000&agency=900'))
https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/images/view_16.gif (https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=26000&agency=900&id=01160141&searchType=offender) OLTEN DALE S 10/11/1988 21 In Custody Northeast Correctional Center Missouri Dept of Corrections (http://javascript<b></b>:openWizardWindow('/vinelink/agencyDetails.do?siteId=26000&agency=900'))
https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/images/view_16.gif (https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=26000&agency=114&id=20092220&searchType=offender) OLTEN DALE SCOTT 03/08/1963 46 Out of Custody General release Warren County Jail (http://javascript<b></b>:openWizardWindow('/vinelink/agencyDetails.do?siteId=26000&agency=114'))

RAELON
10-22-2009, 03:08 PM
12 min ago - Midday Update on Search for Olten

More than 200 volunteers and nearly 100 emergency workers are helping in the search for 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten right now. This is about four times the number of people who were searching yesterday. Weather is hampering their efforts. Earlier today authorities were able to track Olten's cell phone signal coming from woods near her home. The phone has not been found yet. Posted by Curtis Varns


http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15297&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Missing%20Person&franchise=&county=Cole&city=189&partner=

ElizaAvalon
10-22-2009, 03:08 PM
I found Dale Jr's myspace,but to see it,you have to go up to

View
click page style and
click no style

After you see it just go back up into
View and
click Basic Style

It will give you normal viewing again.Interesting family,I'd say.

I'm very sad for him. He is a good-looking kid who appears to be following in his father's footsteps. You have to see his arrest record. His own words:

i have a criminal record , ive been arrested WAY too many times

mtrooper
10-22-2009, 03:09 PM
I called, both father and son are at the correctional center and have been since august.

gypsyblue
10-22-2009, 03:09 PM
I found it extremely interesting that a particular RSO passes her home twice a day to work and back..... all within minutes from her home

rso barry m
I am extrememly disturbed that this same individual works for a company that operates security video surveillance for schools.........

http://www.superpages.com/bp/Jefferson-City-MO/Wren-Solutions-L2062958674.htm
http://www.wrensolutions.com/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 03:10 PM
I see the FBI has been called in. I'm not really up on this, but don't they have to believe state lines have been crossed, as in a kidnapping, to call in the FBI?

TIA>

I don't think so i beleive FBI is called in in every missing child case. I forget what the unit is called but that is all they do.

ElizaAvalon
10-22-2009, 03:10 PM
What the hell? This is a posting from the webmaster of the News Tribune (http://www.newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/22/breaking_news/doc4adfc3af00522694256245.txt):

" No more volunteers please. They are overwhelmed by the response. No Amber alert has been issued at this time. "

What. is. going. on???

Robyn623
10-22-2009, 03:11 PM
I found Dale Jr's myspace,but to see it,you have to go up to

View
click page style and
click no style

After you see it just go back up into
View and
click Basic Style

It will give you normal viewing again.Interesting family,I'd say.
Holy cow! Thanks for posting instructions on how to actually be able to read his page. My eyes hurt from looking at it. IMO, the kid looks like a punk. He brags about his criminal history & looks up to his dad. I hope Elizabeth wasn't around him much.

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 03:12 PM
I found it extremely interesting that a particular RSO passes her home twice a day to work and back..... all within minutes from her home

rso barry millington

I am extrememly disturbed that this same individual works for a company that operates security video surveillance for schools.........

http://www.superpages.com/bp/Jefferson-City-MO/Wren-Solutions-L2062958674.htm
http://www.wrensolutions.com/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx

that is unacceptable!! wouldn't that violate the no felons in school law? Do they not run the license of the contractors they bring in?

Robyn623
10-22-2009, 03:13 PM
I found it extremely interesting that a particular RSO passes her home twice a day to work and back..... all within minutes from her home

rso barry millington

I am extrememly disturbed that this same individual works for a company that operates security video surveillance for schools.........

http://www.superpages.com/bp/Jefferson-City-MO/Wren-Solutions-L2062958674.htm
http://www.wrensolutions.com/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx
OMG, that makes me sick!

KaylynnCouture
10-22-2009, 03:15 PM
OMG, that makes me sick!

Me too, extremely. RSO's should have NOTHING whatsoever to do with schools or children..why don't companies and people understand that??:banghead:

winterrose
10-22-2009, 03:17 PM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3840786&id=177698802291

Here's the flyer they just put up with what she looks like now,they just added it.

dreamweaver
10-22-2009, 03:19 PM
ok, i google earthed the 200 block and 600 block, I don't think it was that far, thats one heck of a longer distance then 1/4 mile, I think at the 200 block are 4-5 houses, open back yards and the woods behind the houses (which is being searched now) this would make more sense to me again IMO
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Onna Adrian, whose daughter-in-law is Elizabeth's older sister, said Elizabeth generally walked home from the friend's house through neighbors' yards rather than along the two-lane county highway that runs past their houses.
from the recent news article already posted:

gypsyblue
10-22-2009, 03:19 PM
can someone do a screenshot of these two addresses and Elizabeths home so that I know I have the right area for sure? tyia


313 HART ST
JEFFERSON CITY, MO 65109



124 WREN PARKWAY
JEFFERSON CITY, MO 65109

mtrooper
10-22-2009, 03:21 PM
Do we have moms address yet? Is it the one I posted earlier?

Robyn623
10-22-2009, 03:22 PM
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

Page updated but not much info. Still have no reason to suspect foul play. (How about the fact that she's 9 yrs old & missing?!) They have all the searchers they need-over 200. They are searching near the last phone ping. LE has requested her phone records.

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 03:23 PM
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=366189

White says so far they have no information that would lead them to believe foul play is involved.

lajr56
10-22-2009, 03:24 PM
What the hell? This is a posting from the webmaster of the News Tribune (http://www.newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/22/breaking_news/doc4adfc3af00522694256245.txt):

" No more volunteers please. They are overwhelmed by the response. No Amber alert has been issued at this time. "

What. is. going. on???

No foul play? I think they are just saying that to make the perpetrator feel comfortable.

mom_of_five
10-22-2009, 03:26 PM
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=366189

White says so far they have no information that would lead them to believe foul play is involved.

:banghead:

No evidence foul play involved? She's NINE years-old & missing! :banghead:

winterrose
10-22-2009, 03:27 PM
I found what I believe to be her sister Stephanie,private myspace with a little boy and what looks to be a grandfather.Her mood is scared and it's Jeffereson City.I don't think we can link.

jnTexas
10-22-2009, 03:28 PM
Do we have moms address yet? Is it the one I posted earlier?

I don't think we do an exact address yet.

they just said between 200 and 400 Route D (wich is also known as lomo) there is a link to the map on the last page i think.

I cannot find anyting on the mom except where she had a court order dna test with Dale Olten Sr.

There is a baby walker in the background of Elizabeths picture so I'm wondering if she has remarried.