View Full Version : FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park thread #8
MommaD
10-27-2009, 01:28 AM
I think she was just heartbroken and even more so for the living children .. The pain the other children are going through is enough to make you say wild things..
lawlady84
10-27-2009, 01:29 AM
Has anyone else seen this wlk the rso with the debbie woman?? I was just looking at the memory video and towards the end it shows them together..
Haven't seen that yet, is it on the funeral website? I saw Debbie's daughter's myspace page - and there are tons of videos of the daughter and granddaughter playing. Didn't see WLK in any of those videos - daughter may have been smart and known about his background (for once!).
MommaD
10-27-2009, 01:31 AM
Haven't seen that yet, is it on the funeral website? I saw Debbie's daughter's myspace page - and there are tons of videos of the daughter and granddaughter playing. Didn't see WLK in any of those videos - daughter may have been smart and known about his background (for once!).
yes it is... but here is the link .. hope it works.. its all the way to the end.. on the song wings of a dove playing...
http://brfhtributes.com/DARiley_October2009.htm
I'm off the pc so please excuse any spelling errors.
Human, I REALLY want to see those comments by the neighbor about the trash as well. Does anyone feel like a hero and want to dig for it?
Well see now I had so much more to respond to your post but my screen is not big enough!
spamelope
10-27-2009, 01:33 AM
I want to go back to the neighbor's comment about the trash. Like the other posters, I found that incredibly odd. When did she say it in the course of events? And didn't she say something about the family knowing more or "You'd be surprised". Something like that? Also, at the burned house-the trash. Where I live they do not allow you to have household garbage in construction dumpsters. So was there a trash can there for the construction workers garbage such as pop cans, banana peels, etc? If the burned house is a crime scene and not the murder scene, what kind of crime scene could it be? Also, did they go back to work there after Somer was missing? When was the house made a crime scene? Also, I read somewhere that the contractors said that people would get in there because they would find beer cans or whatever. But how could someone get in the house now? Wouldn't it be all locked up? I think the roofer idea is one to explore as well as roofing is not a desirable job here. I imagine in the heat of Florida, it isn't a great job either so people with less than stellar histories are hired. The missing friend SP is strange, I feel since really nothing has been said about him. But there certainly is a small window of opportunity for he would know the other children would be coming home very quickly. It is curious that Mom and sitter had 2 totally different stories of Somer's disappearing behavior. I can see the sibs telling SP that Somer does this all of the time. Really, there is no way that the family could have known of Somer's running ahead so that could not have been foreseen. But when things don't make sense, there is a reason for it, and some things are really weird with all of this.
That's exactly it. It doesn't make sense. We are relying on the testimony of a 7 and 10 year old who may or may not have been coached. Why was ACT waiting for a ride at the OPAA when everyone was out looking for his sister? If she's calling people a half hour away, wouldn't she have told him to get out and look for his sister, too?
smart blonde
10-27-2009, 01:35 AM
Strange, isn't it, the timing so soon after Falcon's ascent? It's almost like someone(s) couldn't stand the fact that someone else got so much attention. Either that, or it set up sick fantasies in their warped mind(s).
Now having said that, seemingly apropos of nothing, I almost wish I could post this next part anonymously, in that I am not proud of what I'm going to say.
I watched this video tonight for the first time. I'd never watched it before.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/21355067/index.html
I was so shocked at 3:09.
As DT is coming back out the front door, it was the look on her face that sent the image of Daddy Heene into my head.
I had to watch it again and again. And again. Had decided not to say anything, but I'm fixing to take my Buddydog and go to bed, and knew I couldn't leave without seeing if anyone else in the whole world sees what I saw when she looked up and saw the cameras.
Oh God. I see it, too.
I hadn't seen this video before, but... I recognize a touch of giddy excitement- just a flash of micro-expression, running across the face.
Wishbone
10-27-2009, 01:36 AM
I want to go back to the neighbor's comment about the trash. Like the other posters, I found that incredibly odd. When did she say it in the course of events? And didn't she say something about the family knowing more or "You'd be surprised". Something like that? Also, at the burned house-the trash. Where I live they do not allow you to have household garbage in construction dumpsters. So was there a trash can there for the construction workers garbage such as pop cans, banana peels, etc? If the burned house is a crime scene and not the murder scene, what kind of crime scene could it be? Also, did they go back to work there after Somer was missing? When was the house made a crime scene? Also, I read somewhere that the contractors said that people would get in there because they would find beer cans or whatever. But how could someone get in the house now? Wouldn't it be all locked up? I think the roofer idea is one to explore as well as roofing is not a desirable job here. I imagine in the heat of Florida, it isn't a great job either so people with less than stellar histories are hired. The missing friend SP is strange, I feel since really nothing has been said about him. But there certainly is a small window of opportunity for he would know the other children would be coming home very quickly. It is curious that Mom and sitter had 2 totally different stories of Somer's disappearing behavior. I can see the sibs telling SP that Somer does this all of the time. Really, there is no way that the family could have known of Somer's running ahead so that could not have been foreseen. But when things don't make sense, there is a reason for it, and some things are really weird with all of this.
The only way I could rationalize what went on with SP is if he wasn't at the house all afternoon. Just suppose that the kids called Mom at work when they got home and said that Somer didn't come home and there was no babysitter there. In other words, the kids were on their own after school. Well, Mom not wanting to look bad if something is really wrong calls SP to go to the house to make it look like he was there waiting for the kids......It would explain the calls and texts between them and also SP not going out and looking for Somer himself. Make up a story of having lunch together at the house and it would also explain why he hasn't been in the limelight since this happened. I would imagine that Mom would have admitted to LE about the absence of a babysitter when it was apparent that Somer was really missing.
MommaD
10-27-2009, 01:39 AM
The only way I could rationalize what went on with SP is if he wasn't at the house all afternoon. Just suppose that the kids called Mom at work when they got home and said that Somer didn't come home and there was no babysitter there. In other words, the kids were on their own after school. Well, Mom not wanting to look bad if something is really wrong calls SP to go to the house to make it look like he was there waiting for the kids......It would explain the calls and texts between them and also SP not going out and looking for Somer himself. Make up a story of having lunch together at the house and it would also explain why he hasn't been in the limelight since this happened. I would imagine that Mom would have admitted to LE about the absence of a babysitter when it was apparent that Somer was really missing.
I don't understand why a babysitter that day??? If the children came home most of time without one.. why ask sp to babysit that day..
spamelope
10-27-2009, 01:40 AM
Oh, Lord, one last thing I've been meaning to say since yesterday. All of the intial calls were made to/from cell phones, IIRC. So anyone could have been anywhere. Right?
Well, for the time being, anyone could say they were wherever they wanted to, but cell phone pings will tell the true story.
I remember what I wanted go sAy! On sp fAcebook there is a group on facebook thY has already been formed about keeping kids safe. It is at bottom of friends list an has slam as part of name, check it out! Also it seems him and mom have many friends in common so it leads me to believe he is a closed family friend. My hinky is not going off there! But I do agree about the nobody at home waiting for kids and maybe he was called in later??
Now babysitters issues are making more sense! She may have had reason to be judgemental!
spamelope
10-27-2009, 01:46 AM
I don't understand why a babysitter that day??? If the children came home most of time without one.. why ask sp to babysit that day..
Right, and why was that day "different"? According to the other babysitter, Somer ran off quite often. There was even a list of the friends she could have been visiting. SP never said he called any of them.
smart blonde
10-27-2009, 01:46 AM
I thought it was a little odd too that she spoke about her son the way she did. To me that is just sharing a child's personal grief and really isn't something that should be shared with anyone else.
But who is to say why she has said the things she has said. This is a mother who has a slew of emotions running through her. At the same time she has been thrown in front of the cameras. I can see that this mom may be a little on the dramatic side just by the way she swings her arms around (and I thought the whole curly ribbons in her was more the actions of someone that wanted to draw attention to themselves).
So think about it. Her emotions are probably going from totally grief stricken to complete rage and back and forth. At the same time she is being given a crap load of attention which can cause feelings of elation. Then there is the overwhelming support of the community which can cause deep feelings of gratitude. At some level she has to be feeling some paranoia about her neighbors/friends and people around her. She has already stated she has feelings of guilt and can't remember if she told Somer she loved her (which is a common thought people have when they lose someone). Then she has to be a little bit nervous getting in front of the cameras, especially knowing that her child's killer may very well be watching her.
Under this situation, I would probably have a hard time finding the right words. I would be wanting to say what I feel but at the same time (since I'm in the spotlight), I would want to be politically correct. She did say, she didn't know what she could say on camera. But there is one thing for certain, I would not have a problem letting the killer of my child know I was extremely angry and confidant that he/she would be caught.
Thank you for this great post!
You bring up some wonderful, fair points I needed to be reminded of.
I cannot imagine how I would act, or come across, if I were to ever be thrust into the media spotlight in the midst of my life's most tragic event.
Food for thought.
Emma Peel
10-27-2009, 01:47 AM
Yes!!!!!!!!!! I got the idea that some script writer was there, and key words like "We're coming for you" and "It's not okay" are about to get copyrighted! I still don't think she did anything to Somer but it is sure is odd. I think she has a good idea who did do this.
I watched.
Just JMO:
I see Diena's stages of grief. She moves through them quickly.
We missed her in shock & denial - I'm sure it was there day 1. Her mom talks about it.
We saw angish & guilt day 2, some day 3 We also saw a lot of arm-crossing when she walked outside - that's defensive - as in - I am not interested in talking to these people in my yard.
Later - She moves quickly to anger upon the body being recovered. For the "we're gonna get you" interview, I felt, she has been totally coached, they know who did this, or they know they'll soon know, and she really really wanted to get out there and be strong and angry and thankful and assertive for her daughter and everyone who'd helped & for her family. The thing in her hair - surely it's Somer's. It's purple. Like the balloons. Like the beads around Diena's neck. :cry: Somer was a pink & purple girl, is what I've been getting.
In the "were coming to get you" video, she's assertive, aggressive, confident, strong, ready to fight. She seems well prepared (rehearsed) to answer questions that were probably approved in advance, was my thought. No doubt she has a professional handler, and thank goodness for that. When asked about how the kids are and where they are - she has answers. She gives a little anecdote that her tough 13 year old cried. She was going to say regret - which isn't guilt - but it also wasn't the right word - she meant emotional, so she corrected herself. (A 13 year old might have regrets, indeed. Especially if he was a typical 13 year old brother who thinks the 7 year old twins are pests & treats them like that. Especially if he is asked to be responsible for them and never wants to be. Or if he felt he was the man of the house and didn't do enough to protect his sister - like - he wasn't home when it was time for them to walk home - he was at his own activity... that sort of regret. Diena herself has regrets & speaks of them.) Diena breaks & cries when she is asked and says what Somer was like. She says "like me". I get that. I have one that's exactly like me.
What I get out of this is that she is a very strong, assertive person. (Gets rid of 3 husbands - that takes assertiveness & energy.) She might not have always made the best choices (3 husbands, again). I also think she demanded information from investigators and got it. She follows their instructions, they respect her and communicate. She's got enough information to feel bold and come out fighting for Somer in the "we're gonna getcha" video.
I expect she'll move past this anger to bargaining and then we'll start to see the next stage - more quiet/depression.
To sum, I see normal reactions as far as she's concerned so far. And yes, she's being coached.
Just IMO. So far...
Wishbone
10-27-2009, 01:49 AM
I don't understand why a babysitter that day??? If the children came home most of time without one.. why ask sp to babysit that day..
Maybe just because she had been warned to come directly home from school and when she didn't then Mom knew something could really be wrong.
MommaD
10-27-2009, 01:49 AM
I remember what I wanted go sAy! On sp fAcebook there is a group on facebook thY has already been formed about keeping kids safe. It is at bottom of friends list an has slam as part of name, check it out! Also it seems him and mom have many friends in common so it leads me to believe he is a closed family friend. My hinky is not going off there! But I do agree about the nobody at home waiting for kids and maybe he was called in later??
Now babysitters issues are making more sense! She may have had reason to be judgemental!
NSC if that pic from someones photobucket is one taken since Somer has been missing then I would wonder why he has such a big smile on his face.. He doesn't look sad at all.. the one where he has on same shirt as the indigo site.. That disturbed me .. him smiling that big smile..
Paulette
10-27-2009, 01:51 AM
Took me till the 2nd time but I do see it. Still don't think mom is behind this. However, I am starting to believe she could have been aquainted with WLK or people associated with him.
Why would you think she would be associated with the likes of WLK or people associated with him? Did I miss something here? I saw the video tribute to his girlfriend and couldn't, wouldn't, can't associate her with them. Good Lord...
spamelope
10-27-2009, 01:53 AM
The only way I could rationalize what went on with SP is if he wasn't at the house all afternoon. Just suppose that the kids called Mom at work when they got home and said that Somer didn't come home and there was no babysitter there. In other words, the kids were on their own after school. Well, Mom not wanting to look bad if something is really wrong calls SP to go to the house to make it look like he was there waiting for the kids......It would explain the calls and texts between them and also SP not going out and looking for Somer himself. Make up a story of having lunch together at the house and it would also explain why he hasn't been in the limelight since this happened. I would imagine that Mom would have admitted to LE about the absence of a babysitter when it was apparent that Somer was really missing.
The only problem with that is that SPs house was even further than her work, about 45 minutes away, versus her 31 or so.
eyes4crime
10-27-2009, 01:53 AM
Since we are on the topic Diena again I am going to repeat what I said in the last thread. There was an interview with her where they asked her what message she had for Somer's killer. She replies "We're going to get you." and then smiled this really evil smile. IDK but I was creeped out by the way she smiled.
Hi WillenFan21 - not a criticism but here is my thought about Diena telling the murderer of her baby she's gona get him!!! Good for her! She's wants to get justice for her murdered baby, the baby that was found in the trash, and I'm not sure how else she can do that right now, except in words. I would love to give Diena the power of a fearless predator who goes around Planet Earth wiping out pedophiles and all those who hurt our children. Any smile at the end of her hunt would be fine by me. :angel: jmho
Wishbone
10-27-2009, 01:54 AM
Right, and why was that day "different"? According to the other babysitter, Somer ran off quite often. There was even a list of the friends she could have been visiting. SP never said he called any of them.
I don't think SP would have gotten there early enough to make calls if he wasn't even called until after the other children got home. I would think if Mom knew there wasn't a sitter that day that she really laid down the law to Somer to come directly home. Maybe that's why she said that she knew something was really wrong.........
redfish
10-27-2009, 01:54 AM
Thanks Emma. Well said. I feel the same. I was getting a little uncomfortable with her being under the microscope! Not criticising anyone, cause I see the need to look at everyone here....I am just identifying so with her!
Wishbone
10-27-2009, 01:57 AM
The only problem with that is that SPs house was even further than her work, about 45 minutes away, versus her 31 or so.
He may not have been at home. Might have been somewhere closer to the house.
crocus
10-27-2009, 02:07 AM
I have been following this case from the beginning. As far as I know, we DON'T know what hours Mom usually worked, they could vary. We don't know if she had a regular "babysitter" type of arrangement for someone to be there when the children came home from school. Maybe she was home herself at times when they got home from school. I think, IMO, that she was comfortable with her children walking home from school as there were 3 of them, and they were probably accompanied with other children/friends on a regular basis.
I would be uncomfortable if MY children were coming home to an empty house. Did one of them have a key? Had they been instructed to make sure they walked home together? In other words, make sure they meet up with one and other after school and stay together until arriving home?
So many questions........
spamelope
10-27-2009, 02:09 AM
He may not have been at home. Might have been somewhere closer to the house.
He was supposedly at her house for lunch, though. I mean if your daughter is missing, are you really going to lie and make up stories to make yourself look better when there is no minimum age for the kids to be home alone? Casey wasn't arrested at first because she killed her daughter, she was arrested because she lied to LE. I can't see impeding a missing person/murder investigation for anything. Especially if it's your kid.
Ya know, I gotta say it. I don't think anyone else has. What did the bf think about SP and her meeting at the house for lunch while he was at work? There, it's off my chest. lol. Sorry.
Wishbone
10-27-2009, 02:14 AM
He was supposedly at her house for lunch, though. I mean if your daughter is missing, are you really going to lie and make up stories to make yourself look better when there is no minimum age for the kids to be home alone? Casey wasn't arrested at first because she killed her daughter, she was arrested because she lied to LE. I can't see impeding a missing person/murder investigation for anything. Especially if it's your kid.
Ya know, I gotta say it. I don't think anyone else has. What did the bf think about SP and her meeting at the house for lunch while he was at work? There, it's off my chest. lol. Sorry.
I don't know what the BF would think of that but if there is no trust in their relationship then it will never work. You don't have accept the idea I threw out there, it just a way of trying to make sense of SP being at the house and then disappearing from all thats going on. It will be interesting to eventually find out just what did go on that day...........
smart blonde
10-27-2009, 02:14 AM
He was supposedly at her house for lunch, though. I mean if your daughter is missing, are you really going to lie and make up stories to make yourself look better when there is no minimum age for the kids to be home alone? Casey wasn't arrested at first because she killed her daughter, she was arrested because she lied to LE. I can't see impeding a missing person/murder investigation for anything. Especially if it's your kid.
Ya know, I gotta say it. I don't think anyone else has. What did the bf think about SP and her meeting at the house for lunch while he was at work? There, it's off my chest. lol. Sorry.
Fair question.
I know personally, my boyfriend would not be pleased to know I was meeting another guy for lunch in the privacy of my own home while he was at work.
Unless my boyfriend thought/knew the other man was gay.
Just sayin'.
spamelope
10-27-2009, 02:29 AM
Thanks Emma. Well said. I feel the same. I was getting a little uncomfortable with her being under the microscope! Not criticising anyone, cause I see the need to look at everyone here....I am just identifying so with her!
Seriously, I'm on the fence here. There are some really hinky things that we've overlooked in our sympathy for the family and our fondness for DT. But we are just doing what we normally do to every suspect from right off the bat. If we had the info without the constant vigils, all 3 morning shows in one a.m! and dry sobs, we would have done it a long time ago. Her married names were on the frightened simian show 6 days ago. We just didn't want to even go there because we all did identify with her. Today was an eye opener. I had to go over some videos a few times before I knew I wasn't seeing things.
Emma Peel
10-27-2009, 02:38 AM
SP is not a mom and didn't behave like a mom - didn't even call the mom when a child was tardy coming home. I don't know if we know where he is, but my money is he's bunkered down on his psychiatrist's couch, and sometimes, I kinda feel sorry for the guy. Not everything is diabolical. Somethings are just stupid man tricks. IYKWIM. JHMO.
and RTRTCMO.
smart blonde
10-27-2009, 02:40 AM
Seriously, I'm on the fence here. There are some really hinky things that we've overlooked in our sympathy for the family and our fondness for DT. But we are just doing what we normally do to every suspect from right off the bat. If we had the info without the constant vigils, all 3 morning shows in one a.m! and dry sobs, we would have done it a long time ago. Her married names were on the frightened simian show 6 days ago. We just didn't want to even go there because we all did identify with her. Today was an eye opener. I had to go over some videos a few times before I knew I wasn't seeing things.
Right. Okay.
There are a few reasons I haven't wanted to necessarily go down that avenue, even though after viewing some of those videos my instincts are shouting at me something seems 'off', or 'not quite right'.
One, it is a matter of logistics. If the time frame we have is correct, I don't see how it would be possible for her to be involved.
Two, I don't want her to be involved. Not another one.
Three, I don't want to be banned, or even get a timeout for saying something inappropriate. (I love this place).
Four, If I/we are wrong in our assessment, I don't want to add to her grief with false accusations.
But, back to my first reason, I just don't see how.
harleysnana
10-27-2009, 02:45 AM
Right. Okay.
There are a few reasons I haven't wanted to necessarily go down that avenue, even though after viewing some of those videos my instincts are shouting at me something seems 'off', or 'not quite right'.
One, it is a matter of logistics. If the time frame we have is correct, I don't see how it would be possible for her to be involved.
Two, I don't want her to be involved. Not another one.
Three, I don't want to be banned, or even get a timeout for saying something inappropriate. (I love this place).
Four, If I/we are wrong in our assessment, I don't want to add to her grief with false accusations.
But, back to my first reason, I just don't see how.
I don’t know if anyone is really saying she is involved.
I think… at least for me… some of the things seem weird and
makes me wonder....like maybe she has a good idea of who did this
and maybe it's someone she knows?
smart blonde
10-27-2009, 02:51 AM
I don’t know if anyone is really saying she is involved.
I think… at least for me… some of the things seem weird and
makes me wonder....like maybe she has a good idea of who did this
and maybe it's someone she knows?
Yes, this I do see as a possibility.
It may explain her seemingly odd expressions and behavior.
I just don't believe she had anything to do with what happened.
But, I do hope she and the authorities have an idea, at least, of who is responsible- because that could mean they are close to making an arrest.
I pray that they will make an arrest tomorrow.
My heart goes out to DT. I can't imagine she is able to get much sleep tonight. I can't imagine the horror her life has turned into.
I really don't believe the full impact of this past week has hit her yet, and pray she somehow finds the strength to make it through when the shock wears off, for her sake and the sake of her children.
Angleena
10-27-2009, 02:55 AM
I really don't think mom is involved. But she may very well have some very strong suspicions (as we all probably would). If she does have some strong suspicions she has no doubt relayed them to police who have told her to act as if she hasn't got a clue.
The very last thing they want to do is scare a suspect to the point that they flee the area. They absolutely want a potential suspect to think they have no leads and they have gotten away with it. There are two things that make a criminal mess up and they are two extremes. Either they get so nervous from the pressure they eventually mess up or they get to relaxed thinking they got away with and they mess up.
We look at Misty in the Haleigh Cummings case. Misty has said over and over that she passed the 1st lie detector test given to her by authorities. She said they told her she passed and bet they did tell her she passed too. It's a police tactic to get people to get so relaxed and confidant they are getting away with something, they end up slipping up (it also prevents them from fleeing while they gather needed evidence). Then we saw them turn it around and start putting pressure on Misty with press releases that she was the key to finding Haleigh and all the arrests on her family members. It's all about law enforcement criminal psychology.
redfish
10-27-2009, 02:55 AM
I do agree that there seems to be something going on here that isn't being talked about. Alot of hidden dynamics. And some not so hidden. Obvious is the friction between the mother (D) and father (S). The boyfriend stays WAY in the background. The grandparents are visable, but seem to be more of a presence (?) I don't know why but I feel like there is some problem with the 13 year old. But then I have had alot of experience with 13 year olds... there usually are some issues at that age! I kind of had the feeling he may be the explaination of the luncheon meeting with the friend. And goodness knows we have seen more of our fair share of cracked mothers lately. But....I can't give up how I feel about a couple of the SOs. LOL guess I am on the fence too!
spamelope
10-27-2009, 03:02 AM
Right. Okay.
There are a few reasons I haven't wanted to necessarily go down that avenue, even though after viewing some of those videos my instincts are shouting at me something seems 'off', or 'not quite right'.
One, it is a matter of logistics. If the time frame we have is correct, I don't see how it would be possible for her to be involved.
Two, I don't want her to be involved. Not another one.
Three, I don't want to be banned, or even get a timeout for saying something inappropriate. (I love this place).
Four, If I/we are wrong in our assessment, I don't want to add to her grief with false accusations.
But, back to my first reason, I just don't see how.
Yeah, I don't want her to be guilty either. It's a pretty sad day when you hope it's a stranger abduction. I don't want to get banned either. Now, I'm scared lol. I think there's a difference between making false accusations and trying to figure stuff out.
redfish
10-27-2009, 03:03 AM
OKAY, and one more thing. When our mysterious poster came in today...THAT is when my hinky meter went off. Really went off. Same feeling i got the other day with a poster on one of the news stories. It appeared the the poster there was a woman and really was doing a hatchet job on the mom. I'll have to try to find it. She went on and on in many posts.
orbison11
10-27-2009, 03:03 AM
http://************.com/
Somer Thompson Murder: Her Home Robbed by Gunman The Morning She was Recovered?
i dont know how this plays into it all, but is very weird, i hope it is ok to post the link
eta
ok i see it is not ok, but maybe a google of the next line will find it, if not ok, please delete
spamelope
10-27-2009, 03:12 AM
If people went to rob that house that night, when it was surrounded by LE in droves, then those guys need to go to jail for life for terminal stupidity.
keljo
10-27-2009, 03:16 AM
Hello,
I wanted to read all 8 threads, but just couldn't do it. I don't read here very often, just once in a while. Please forgive me if I pose a question that you've all been discussing: Does the mom seem fishy to you?
I ask this with great reservation; I despise families being blamed in such tragic circumstances absent significant evidence, however:
I was in a restaurant when I heard about this girl on CNN. Her mother was on. I immediately was more than put off with the mother's (phony?) crying that began when she believed the cameras were on her, and stopped when she seemed to think they weren't. (The cameras panned on her as she was waiting to be interviewed.)
The waitress in the restaurant, the manager, and three separate tables, and the man sitting with me all had a very strong reaction and all spoke out that the mother was phony and forcing tears, etc. I was immediately convinced the child was dead and the mother knew it.
Here's the problem: from what little I've followed in the news, the mother was at work and the child wandered off from the presence of siblings so how could the mother possibly know anything?
What am I missing?
smart blonde
10-27-2009, 03:19 AM
OKAY, and one more thing. When our mysterious poster came in today...THAT is when my hinky meter went off. Really went off. Same feeling i got the other day with a poster on one of the news stories. It appeared the the poster there was a woman and really was doing a hatchet job on the mom. I'll have to try to find it. She went on and on in many posts.
Yeah, that BSU poster really threw me, too.
He/She didn't just do a 'post-and-run', or a 'drive-by-posting', they actually hi-jacked this thread and held it hostage with just one single post, lol!
I still don't have a clue what to think of that.
But, I have so much respect for John Walsh, of 'America's Most Wanted', that when he states that this may be the act of a serial killer, I tend to believe him. Mr. Walsh knows his stuff, and knows a thing or two about criminal profiling.
scandi
10-27-2009, 03:23 AM
I don’t know if anyone is really saying she is involved.
I think… at least for me… some of the things seem weird and
makes me wonder....like maybe she has a good idea of who did this
and maybe it's someone she knows?
Hi Harleysnana ;} I feel exactly as you do. Today, watching her on the news show clips I looked read hard at her to see if I could see tears. I didn't. But it appeared that her eyes were watery which stumped me as there wasn't enough to roll out of her eyes and down her cheeks. It was odd watching that. xox
redfish
10-27-2009, 03:25 AM
HiJacked is right...threw everybody in a tailspin. And I truly believe that was the idea. I hate manipulators!!! LOL
spamelope
10-27-2009, 03:30 AM
http://************.com/
Somer Thompson Murder: Her Home Robbed by Gunman The Morning She was Recovered?
i dont know how this plays into it all, but is very weird, i hope it is ok to post the link
eta
ok i see it is not ok, but maybe a google of the next line will find it, if not ok, please delete
Thanks I did read that.
It was said to be a clerical mistake, but a good point is made that the guy went from jaywalking to robbery. See, we need someone to go get a police report. Any locals want to volunteer? ;)
redfish
10-27-2009, 03:32 AM
Hello,
I wanted to read all 8 threads, but just couldn't do it. I don't read here very often, just once in a while. Please forgive me if I pose a question that you've all been discussing: Does the mom seem fishy to you?
I ask this with great reservation; I despise families being blamed in such tragic circumstances absent significant evidence, however:
I was in a restaurant when I heard about this girl on CNN. Her mother was on. I immediately was more than put off with the mother's (phony?) crying that began when she believed the cameras were on her, and stopped when she seemed to think they weren't. (The cameras panned on her as she was waiting to be interviewed.)
The waitress in the restaurant, the manager, and three separate tables, and the man sitting with me all had a very strong reaction and all spoke out that the mother was phony and forcing tears, etc. I was immediately convinced the child was dead and the mother knew it.
Here's the problem: from what little I've followed in the news, the mother was at work and the child wandered off from the presence of siblings so how could the mother possibly know anything?
What am I missing?
Welcome Keljo. That is a problem. The timeline does not seem to leave room for her to be directlly involved. I didn't see alot of real tears. But I did see the kind of swelling of her face (eyes and lips) and blotching that just could not be faked. I have cried so much in grief that I sobbing dryly myself. I think she is a very strong woman that has shed so many tears there just isn't anymore. I could be wrong. I have been before.
spamelope
10-27-2009, 03:39 AM
Sorry you think the thread was hijacked. I shup now.
smart blonde
10-27-2009, 03:40 AM
Hello,
I wanted to read all 8 threads, but just couldn't do it. I don't read here very often, just once in a while. Please forgive me if I pose a question that you've all been discussing: Does the mom seem fishy to you?
I ask this with great reservation; I despise families being blamed in such tragic circumstances absent significant evidence, however:
I was in a restaurant when I heard about this girl on CNN. Her mother was on. I immediately was more than put off with the mother's (phony?) crying that began when she believed the cameras were on her, and stopped when she seemed to think they weren't. (The cameras panned on her as she was waiting to be interviewed.)
The waitress in the restaurant, the manager, and three separate tables, and the man sitting with me all had a very strong reaction and all spoke out that the mother was phony and forcing tears, etc. I was immediately convinced the child was dead and the mother knew it.
Here's the problem: from what little I've followed in the news, the mother was at work and the child wandered off from the presence of siblings so how could the mother possibly know anything?
What am I missing?
I think all it really boils down to is we (maybe I should say 'I', as I don't have any right or authority to speak for anyone else) realize I have never been in her position, and don't know what would be the 'appropriate' way for one to act, being in her unfathomable situation.
Therefore, I can honestly say I don't have a clue what should be considered 'fishy'.
My heart aches for what she must be going through. From what I have read on this forum, I feel just about everyone feels the same way. But, again, I can only speak for myself.
We seem to have a habit of tossing ideas against the wall, to see what sticks. That's just what we do, as we try to get to the truth. I don't think anyone has had a chance to form a firm opinion on what happened to little Somer.
I think we all just hope the killer of this child is brought to swift justice.
smart blonde
10-27-2009, 03:42 AM
Sorry you think the thread was hijacked. I shup now.
No!
We were referring to the 'mystery' one-time poster from this morning, not you!
The posters name started with 'BSU', and the message was rather cryptic.
TakeNote
10-27-2009, 03:47 AM
to start off....im lazy......well...tired.....
can someone link me to what you all are talking about and viewing the mom on the news.....thanks :) are they on youtube all together somewhere?
i would like to see the cnn one that someone was talking about
keljo
10-27-2009, 03:57 AM
Welcome Keljo. That is a problem. The timeline does not seem to leave room for her to be directlly involved. I didn't see alot of real tears. But I did see the kind of swelling of her face (eyes and lips) and blotching that just could not be faked. I have cried so much in grief that I sobbing dryly myself. I think she is a very strong woman that has shed so many tears there just isn't anymore. I could be wrong. I have been before.
Thanks for your response. I know that the timeline doesn't make sense, at least according to the reported information, but our collective BS meters went off! My personal conviction is the mom knows the truth. She could still have real tears, etc., but "different" than what I saw.
BTW, my friend in the restaurant (who is a bit slow) wasn't paying attention to the news, he didn't even realize I was watching the TV behind him. It was the sound of the mother's crying that got his attention. And he asked what was that about and said it sounded like someone was fake crying, which was exactly what I and the others in the restaurant reacted to and began to comment on.
The man sitting at the table behind my friend grumbled a similar sentiment that my friend overheard.
I think humans have a unique "instinctive" ability, much like other animals. Dogs, for instance, know if its human is upset or if another dog is aggressive, etc.
Our reactions were instinctual and not analyzed--pure instinctive on the fly gut: "Something is wrong here."
Brwnigirl
10-27-2009, 03:59 AM
Hello,
I wanted to read all 8 threads, but just couldn't do it. I don't read here very often, just once in a while. Please forgive me if I pose a question that you've all been discussing: Does the mom seem fishy to you?
I ask this with great reservation; I despise families being blamed in such tragic circumstances absent significant evidence, however:
I was in a restaurant when I heard about this girl on CNN. Her mother was on. I immediately was more than put off with the mother's (phony?) crying that began when she believed the cameras were on her, and stopped when she seemed to think they weren't. (The cameras panned on her as she was waiting to be interviewed.)
The waitress in the restaurant, the manager, and three separate tables, and the man sitting with me all had a very strong reaction and all spoke out that the mother was phony and forcing tears, etc. I was immediately convinced the child was dead and the mother knew it.
Here's the problem: from what little I've followed in the news, the mother was at work and the child wandered off from the presence of siblings so how could the mother possibly know anything?
What am I missing?
That's ironic Keljo... I came on here tonight as I have not followed this case at all. I was away and by the time I returned she had been found before I had even heard about the case.
I saw the mother twice on tv and thought something seemed odd. Now that is almost never my reaction, not even with Casey. So I came on here tonight to see what was up and what posters thought of who the perp is because all I heard was she went missing from a walk home. There just seemed from my fleeting view of it that there's something missing with the parent, just a gut reaction and I hope I am wrong because she has lost her child.
spamelope
10-27-2009, 04:03 AM
Here's one direct link and you should be able to find more on the site.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/21355067/index.html
keljo
10-27-2009, 04:19 AM
Here's one direct link and you should be able to find more on the site.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/21355067/index.html
That sounds to me like the distress of a mom whose child is dead (which she "didn't" know yet). It also sounded like her words didn't fit the situation. This is all gut response to the "sounds".
The footage I saw the morning I became aware of this child, also had facial expressions that didn't fit.
The reporter n this link also made a curious quote of the mom: "I just can't talk about it.
I think the mom is protecting someone.
TakeNote
10-27-2009, 04:54 AM
thank you for the links
not sure what to think......im still wiping tears from my eyes....it was really hard to listen to her crying out ......really hard for me..... i have been there before in my life....
now...the other times she is on tv....i dont know....maybe she is in shock...and that is how she can go on tv and speak
Studio_Medic
10-27-2009, 05:14 AM
Thanks for your response. I know that the timeline doesn't make sense, at least according to the reported information, but our collective BS meters went off! My personal conviction is the mom knows the truth. She could still have real tears, etc., but "different" than what I saw.
BTW, my friend in the restaurant (who is a bit slow) wasn't paying attention to the news, he didn't even realize I was watching the TV behind him. It was the sound of the mother's crying that got his attention. And he asked what was that about and said it sounded like someone was fake crying, which was exactly what I and the others in the restaurant reacted to and began to comment on.
The man sitting at the table behind my friend grumbled a similar sentiment that my friend overheard.
I think humans have a unique "instinctive" ability, much like other animals. Dogs, for instance, know if its human is upset or if another dog is aggressive, etc.
Our reactions were instinctual and not analyzed--pure instinctive on the fly gut: "Something is wrong here."
Keljo, I have to agree with you......something just doesn't seem right. I also questioned the interview.....I cannot see how a mother who 8 hours after being told that her child was found dead in the garbage dump; could go on the news and do a press release .....I personally don't think the mother did anything, but I do wonder if she protecting someone??
awakewriter
10-27-2009, 06:37 AM
I think Somer's mother is in unthinkable grief. She could be on some sort of medication to help her get through this time - not saying that's the case - but sometimes those medications affect your behavior.
In my opinion, her worry when Somer was missing and her grief since Somer was found are genuine.
Furthermore, the time line does not fit Somer's mother being involved.
ElizaAvalon
10-27-2009, 07:12 AM
You know, there are stages of grief.
And there are stages of online sleuthing during a case.
When we've run out of suspects, we go for the most visible, the family member who has appeared on TV. We pick apart their every tear, their every syllable. In this case, the grieving mother.
Next we'll turn onto ourselves.
There must be a book written about this somewhere. It happens in every case.
I'd like to know how Somer died, what happened to her in that short period of time from when she went missing and when she was killed. Then, I think, it will be much clearer.
Personally, I don't think DT would protect SP if she felt it was him. However, I think she would protect a family member, especially one of her children.
I don't see any 13-year-old dumping a body in a dumpster. Requires too much forethought.
DT, for now, is not on my short list, nor is any member of her family.
She, for now, has my complete sympathy for the loss of her child.
camcneishg
10-27-2009, 07:20 AM
just thinking here....wonder if her lunch bag/box and backpack could be found on the shelf in that dang Clothes Closet????
camcneishg
10-27-2009, 07:23 AM
was looking at the Orange Park Jr. High web site, wondering about football maybe...they practice each day from 4-6:15, but would not think that they practice at OPAA....all of the games are played at the high school off of Kingsley....I looked at the OPAA website, they have midget football, in which the 13 yr old could play, but not much else listed on the website.....just thought I would share
camcneishg
10-27-2009, 07:30 AM
not saying that I think any of the family was involved, but thinking about what our mysterious posted said.....when DT was asked how the other children are dealing....I think I only remember her bringing up the oldest son, even giving his actions and comparing him to a man in means of his emotions....I do not remember her saying anything about the twin and 10 yr old sister....do you guys?? just thinking here...
capoly
10-27-2009, 07:54 AM
Keljo, I have to agree with you......something just doesn't seem right. I also questioned the interview.....I cannot see how a mother who 8 hours after being told that her child was found dead in the garbage dump; could go on the news and do a press release .....I personally don't think the mother did anything, but I do wonder if she protecting someone??
Could be she is protecting justice for Somer. She may well know more than she is saying to the public but that doesn't mean LE isn't privy to her knowledge.
imo She appears to be a 'what-you-see-is-what-you-get' person so keeping her mouth in control may require a focus that is unnatural to her which is then reflected in her behavior.
hoppyfrog
10-27-2009, 07:59 AM
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