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Tricia
10-27-2009, 09:37 PM
Hi Everyone,

Thank you for participating in the Websleuths "Poll Forum."

One of our members suggested a swine flu poll. I would have put this up sooner but my 13 year old son has the swine flu so I have been a bit busy.

My apologies to the wonderful member who suggested this. Since I have the memory of a fly I can't remember who it was but thank you.

Remember, even if you are not a member you can vote and if you are a member you can add your own option to the poll.

Have fun.

Tricia

scandi
10-27-2009, 11:29 PM
Hi Tricia and thanks for the poll. I voted YES

I think it all depends on one's age and any physical problems one might have. Under 29 or over 65, especially with any pulminary problems such as asthma, bronchitis or COPD, it is a wise choice.

My 89 yr old mother's doctor told her to wait till mid November before getting the shot. And Mom is as healthy as they come. I walked in to pick up a prescription and when I asked if I should get a shot or not she nodded her head in the affirmative.

Krams

Trino
10-28-2009, 09:35 AM
I've yet to fully understand the supply, demand, and distribution of the vaccine.

Why is it up to each state/region to decide who gets the vaccine? My state gave shots first to health care workers, while a pregnant woman died who could not get a shot. Now, we've just moved to children and pregnant women.

Meanwhile, there were health care workers who refused the vaccine, parents who refused to vaccinate their children, and pregnant women who refused the vaccine. Since these persons refused, why haven't those in charge moved on to another group? Is this happening throughout the US?

Finally, it's easier to get an H1N1 vaccination in the more remote parts of my state than in the more populated areas. My health care website has a statement akin to, "Don't call us. We'll call you."

Shipped By State:
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/vaccinesupply.htm

Sniffy38
10-28-2009, 11:41 AM
This is one flu that scares the bejeebers out of me, especially since I have an immune deficiency and serious lung problem. It seems that since I am allergic to egg, I have never been able to get any flu vaccine. I have, however, gotten the pneumonia vaccine. My hubby says I should not be allowed to leave the house or be around children - LOL. Think I'll just hibernate until this passes.

angelmom
10-28-2009, 12:16 PM
It bothers me that no one seems to be on the same page about who should get this vaccine.

Locally we have been told that it is for children 6 mos - 5 years and their caregivers and pregnant women only. But the literature that comes with the vaccine clearly states that it has not been proven effective on these specific groups.

We have been told that those over 59 (who were, in theory, exposed last time) do not need the shot. But then my friend's MIL was told it was required for her assisted living facility. She is 83, and her legs were numb/stiff/partially paralyzed after the shot. She has recovered, but it was frightening for a few days. Afterward the doc says she never should have gotten it. WTH???

I also read that it was important for the "young" to get the vaccine. but those people don't even qualify under the original guidelines. We hear how it is spreading among school children, but they aren't in the group to be vaccinated.

The CDC has contradictory info on their own website about how long people are contagious. No wonder it is spreading so fast! They clearly say you are contagious for 5 days after the ONSET of symptoms (longer for children), but then say you can go back to work or school after 24 hours fever free. What if your fever goes away on the 2nd day? So you are contagious for 2 or more days at work or school?

Will someone please make up their mind? I think they just have no idea and are trying to do anything to make it stop. And that scares me.

smart blonde
10-28-2009, 12:39 PM
I'm allergic to eggs, one of the substances in the culture they use to grow the flu vaccine.

The worst case of the flu I ever endured was after my one (and only) flu shot. I was sick within an hour of the injection, and by the next day had to be hospitalized. I thought I was going to die- it was that bad.

Just thinking about it, all these years later, makes me nauseous and achy. Ugh.

not_my_kids
10-28-2009, 12:59 PM
I voted no, it does no good.

To expand on that, not only do I believe it does no good, I think the whole reason that the viruses and other illness are evolving so fast and becoming so deadly are that we have very little natural immunity. We are so obsessed with never getting sick that now when we do, we can't fight the illness and it kills us.
I don't get flu shots of any type, nor do I get the pneumonia shot , nor do I allow my kids to get the chicken pox shot.
Necessary vaccinations only.
The only exception that I am considering is my younger son, but his lungs have been through so much, that they have warned us that one more major respiratory episode in the next few years could be too much for him. So, depending on what his doc says next week, he might get the vaccine.

LookyLu
10-28-2009, 02:50 PM
I added one more to the choices. YES, IF me Dr can convince me it's necessary... She knows my condition and has treated me for years. I'm really leery of it but if she is adamant that it's important knowing my background and my health history, then yes, I would have it.

gitana1
10-28-2009, 03:13 PM
I didn't vote yet. I'm not sure what I will do. I think I will get it but in the past, when I have gotten the flu shot, it has made me a bit sick for a few days. It does cause an immune system response when a vaccine is introduced into the body. Many mothers or pet owners can tell you that due to observing their child or animal becoming feverish or listless after a vaccination. Also, I was raised by a very naturalistic mother who believed in limiting the introduction of foreign susbtances into the body when possible.
However, I have asthma and I know a great deal about H1N1 and that tips me towards getting the shot.
H1N1 is a unique, highly mutuable flu, formerly known as Spanish Influenza, even though it likely originated in the U.S. It has not really been around for a long time and there are few people left with any immunity to it. In the early 1900's, around WWI, is when it erupted. So far, it has been the deadliest plague in history, killing more people in 24 weeks than AIDS has killed in 24 years, and more people in a year than the Black Plague killed in a century. It destroyed a generation, killing approx. 100 million people.
H1N1 started as a regular flu, albeit a pretty severe one. It was sickening young, healthy people and hit them hard, so that was somewhat unusal. This occured in the Spring. But, by late fall, it had travelled around the world and came back highly mutated. When it came back to the U.S., it came back as a disease unrecognizable as the flu. People turned compeltely black and bled from their mouths, ears, eyes and other orifices. Unable to get air and in great pain, their organs shut down quickly and they died a horribly, painful death. So many people were affected that there were not enough people to care for them or places to bury them or people to carry away the dead. Sick families languished in their homes sharing beds with corpses. It was a disease unprecedented and nothing could be done about it.
Doctors know how easily and quickly this flu can mutate and that's why the CDC, etc., seems freaked about it. They know what can happen so even though it looks somewhat like regular flu strains so far, they are on alert.
Obama's designation of H1N1 as an epidemic is, however, nothing more than a specific deignation that allows certain things to happen such as, I believe, the release of stockpiles of vaccines, masks, medicines and allows better tracking of the disease's progession.
When the flu first broke out in Mexico recently, it was killing people in their 20's, much like it did in the early 1900's. It then seemed to progress more like a normal flu and a few months ago I heard that it had killed less people in 2009 than other flues this year. Now, however, it appears to have spiked and I think the last I heard is that it has now surpassed all other flues this year as far as death rate is concerned.
Vaccines have been scientifically proven to work. That's why polio, small pox, etc, have all but disappeared and these were gruesome, frightening diseases.
But I also believe people should not blindly trust the medical establishment. Questions should be asked. For example, although studies have not shown a connection between autism and vaccines, I think the observations of mothers show a clear link. But, my opinion is that it is not the susbtances alone in any one vaccine that may trigger such a condition, but rather, mulitple, excessive assualts on a young immune system reacting to multiple vaccinations in a short time period. Vaccinations do cause an immunse system response, period. That's the whole point of them. That's how they work.
By the way, this vaccine contains thimeserol which is a form of mercury and which many parents felt caused autism. I don't believe that one shot of a vaccine containing traces of mercury can cause autism but I think the key is to become informed and weigh the risks individually. Just don't wait too long. This is a very fast moving and easily mutable disease that can explode into something uncontrollable in a matter of weeks or days. I am leaning towards getting it if it is available through my doctor. I've just been kind of tracking it, not wanting the shot if it looks like the disease is going to behave like other flues but wanting it if it looks more severe. I certainly don't want to die if it can be avoided by a shot.

gitana1
10-28-2009, 03:55 PM
Okay, I voted using Lookylu's choice of "if my doctor convinces me". I'll ask her about the risks and how the flu is progressing. Watching recent videos of kids too weak and sick from this flu that they could not walk, and this AFTER they had recovered anough to be released from the hospital, scared me. I also saw footage of one of the kids with breathing tubes taped to his mouth and a swollen, blue-black mouth. freaky. I suppose that can happen with any flu, though. I don't want to get sucked into media scare tactics. We'll see what my doctor says.

noor
10-28-2009, 04:05 PM
I can't vote because I just want to vote : NO.

There should be a simple Yes or No choice.

gitana1
10-28-2009, 04:31 PM
Noor: You can just add a write-in category of "no" and vote that way.

angelmom
10-28-2009, 04:35 PM
Gitana, I have a question since you seem to be very knowledgeable about this.

If the virus mutates, as feared, will the vaccine still protect you? I have been told by various medical providers that it won't, that it might, and that they don't know. Another case of no straight answers. :banghead:

What do you think/know about the vaccine and mutation?

angeleleven
10-28-2009, 04:36 PM
Thank you Tricia.....It was me that suggested it. It's been awhile and with all you got going on, I can understand you forgetting. Again, Thanks a bunch!!! :)

gitana1
10-28-2009, 04:52 PM
Gitana, I have a question since you seem to be very knowledgeable about this.

If the virus mutates, as feared, will the vaccine still protect you? I have been told by various medical providers that it won't, that it might, and that they don't know. Another case of no straight answers. :banghead:

What do you think/know about the vaccine and mutation?

It is supposed to protect you against it because the virus does not mutate into a totally different virus. It's the same, just more potent. I think, however, that the nasal vaccine is not as effective and is not therefore indicated for people with asthma, COPD, etc. The nasal vaccine might not be strong enough to protect against a mutated virus but I don't know for sure!
The analogy I think regarding the mutation is like cancer cells. They can remain quiet but when they start replicating fast, it's hard to stop them. But, the cancer is the same kind, it just can spread and affect more organs. I think with H1N1, it mutuates into a more destructive form but its basic viral components are the same. That's why this virus is still called H1N1. It is the exact same disease as the Spanish Influenza of 1918.
Caveat:
I am not a medical doctor. I am coming to conclusions based on what I have read about the disease in a book about this plague, from CDC reports and the news. I would ask your doctor if possible.

gitana1
10-28-2009, 05:02 PM
Dang, I did some quick research and it looks like there is debate and no certainty as to whether what you get now, will be effective later, if it mutates. So, angelmom, it looks like there is no consensus yet. One report I read stated that every year flu shots are given that might be the same virus as the year before but they give it each year because if it mutates, it could be different. Now I really don't know what to do!

angelmom
10-28-2009, 05:05 PM
Dang, I did some quick research and it looks like there is debate and no certianity as to whther what you get now, will be effective later, if it mutates. So, angelmom, it looks like there is no consensus yet. One report I read stated that every year flue shots are given that might be the same virus as the year before but they give it each year beacuse if it mutates, it could be different. Now I really don't know what to do!

Thanks wasn't enough!

I appreciate it. This is exactly what is so frustrating to me. I feel like this has all been rush-rush and no one really knows the right answers. I don't want to end up with some terrible side effect (and maybe get the flu anyway!) just b/c of panic.

noor
10-28-2009, 05:11 PM
Noor: You can just add a write-in category of "no" and vote that way.



Thank you!
I just did and voted.

LadyL
10-28-2009, 09:00 PM
I can't b/c I'm allergic. If I could & my doctor recommended it, I would. Someone at work has the swine flu & I'm a bit nervous. Ok, really nervous. Almost everyone there has been sick within the last 6 weeks or so, except me & perhaps 2-3 others. I don't know what they had but I'm worried the strain has hit more than once already and I'm next on its hit-list!

A_Closer_Look
10-28-2009, 10:20 PM
My son has Cystic Fibrosis and his doctors are urging me to get him vaccinated. As of today, we're still unable to find someplace that has any here.

angeleleven
10-28-2009, 10:43 PM
My doctor has swine flu. He and his staff have been unable to get the vaccination in our area.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-29-2009, 01:05 AM
I voted no, it does no good.

To expand on that, not only do I believe it does no good, I think the whole reason that the viruses and other illness are evolving so fast and becoming so deadly are that we have very little natural immunity. We are so obsessed with never getting sick that now when we do, we can't fight the illness and it kills us.
I don't get flu shots of any type, nor do I get the pneumonia shot , nor do I allow my kids to get the chicken pox shot.
Necessary vaccinations only.
The only exception that I am considering is my younger son, but his lungs have been through so much, that they have warned us that one more major respiratory episode in the next few years could be too much for him. So, depending on what his doc says next week, he might get the vaccine.

I agree totally with you, nmk! I voted the same.

I know a lot of people who have gotten a flu shot and still got sick, and even those who got sick because of the shot. (Of course, it can help also. Not saying it can't.) But I also never get the normal flu shot (or anything else), and wouldn't change because of the H1N1 hype. I'm not a "conspiracy theorist" or anything, and I'm not against people getting the vaccine. There are people who should get it. I just don't think it's any more necessary than a normal flu vaccine. IMO.

I also agree about the obsession about killing germs and not getting sick. Getting sick once in a while is GOOD FOR YOU! All of these vaccines and craziness is just making the viruses mutate and get stronger. If anyone is really interested in this subject, the book Betrayal of Trust by Laurie Garrett is a very long but very interesting read!

smart blonde
10-29-2009, 02:46 AM
I'm really surprised at the results so far on this poll! I guess I figured pretty much everyone would be rushing to get it.

poco
10-29-2009, 05:11 AM
Question: How do they know when you get sick that it is the swine flu, another flu or just a cold or something?

angelmom
10-29-2009, 06:34 AM
Question: How do they know when you get sick that it is the swine flu, another flu or just a cold or something?

The majority of people I know who got it started with a sudden, high fever and that exhausted body ache like with the regular flu. Most developed a sore throat and terrible cough, but that was after they already knew they were sick. The fever was the first clue.

Having said that, I do know of multiple cases where someone never got a fever or only had a mild one. A friend's son went to the dr. b/c of a sore throat and the dr. just happened to do a flu test and strep test. They were all surprised when it was flu and not strep. He never had a fever over about 99, and never felt bad. It was hard for them to know when to let him go back to school.

There have also been some kids with a high fever but who never develop the other symptoms. Literally playing and running around at home, fever free most of the day, and then it spikes again at night for several days.

So who knows? Many drs. are not testing for it at all anymore. One friend just posted on her fb page that her dd has all the symptoms and the dr. thinks it is probably flu, but he doesn't want her in the office so they won't know for sure. So much for that state of emergency leading to better tracking!

January.
10-29-2009, 11:34 AM
Everyone's votes and responses are really interesting. I cannot vote, because I am completely on the fence. I've been trying to figure out for weeks if I will get my kids, ages 20 months and 4 years, vacc'd or not. They are my only concern right now, especially because my 4 year old has a history or respiratory issues because of his rough start in life. He is supposed to be in preschool right now but I am terrified of him getting sick so I haven't put him in this year. I don't want the H1N1 scare to ruin our entire fall/winter and make us sit in the house because I'm worried about the kids getting sick.

I did ask their pediatrician if the vaccine is safe, and she said it's made in the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine (which they did get) and yes it's safe. But a friend of mine in another state told me her kids' pediatrician office didn't even order the vaccine because they don't recommend it. I don't think I've ever been so confused in my life!

Edited to add: I usually don't worry about the flu like this, but with the reports of the high number of small children dying just scares the bejesus out of me. Not all of them had underlying conditions either.

LookyLu
10-29-2009, 01:36 PM
Everyone's votes and responses are really interesting. I cannot vote, because I am completely on the fence. I've been trying to figure out for weeks if I will get my kids, ages 20 months and 4 years, vacc'd or not. They are my only concern right now, especially because my 4 year old has a history or respiratory issues because of his rough start in life. He is supposed to be in preschool right now but I am terrified of him getting sick so I haven't put him in this year. I don't want the H1N1 scare to ruin our entire fall/winter and make us sit in the house because I'm worried about the kids getting sick.

I did ask their pediatrician if the vaccine is safe, and she said it's made in the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine (which they did get) and yes it's safe. But a friend of mine in another state told me her kids' pediatrician office didn't even order the vaccine because they don't recommend it. I don't think I've ever been so confused in my life!

Edited to add: I usually don't worry about the flu like this, but with the reports of the high number of small children dying just scares the bejesus out of me. Not all of them had underlying conditions either.

It is scary January, and confusing too! My grandchildren are in N. J. and Billy is 7 with a history of respiratory problems. He has VATERS syndrome and asthma and allergies and a weakened immune system. To see him, you'd swear he was healthy as a horse (!!) but if he catches anything, he's liable to get so sick, so quickly, he'll need to be hospitalized. Anyway, they are offering the nasal mist for H1N1 thru the school district. (Edited to clarify: permission slips have been sent home although vaccine hasn't been done yet in their N.J. school) His pediatrician (who has been there from day 1 and an absolute GODSEND!!!) told my daughter absolutely not, although he MUST have the injection as soon as it is available. And BIlly had the H1N1 flu 6 wks or so ago but the Dr. said there are several strains out there and he still needed the vaccine. My granddaughter, who is healthy thank God, he said to go ahead and have her get the mist thru the school and STILL come in with BIlly when he has the vaccine available in the office. YIKES. He mentioned the recent deaths to my daughter of 2 children and said it's nothing to play with.

SO much conflicting info out there! BUT, I think I'll be getting mine when available.....just to be on the safe side.

txsvicki
10-29-2009, 08:27 PM
I voted no, that I don't trust what's in the vaccine. Besides, most in my town will have had it by the time we get the vaccine, and I believe my grandson and I already had it. I had aches, slight fever, headaches, and mild sore throat. My grandson had a slight cough, sore throat, headache, body ache, and high fever. It wasn't a cold or any other flu because it's way too early for our regular flu season.

TopGunner
10-29-2009, 08:40 PM
My daughter just got over the swine flu last week. It kicked her to the curb, but she's fine now. She's in grad school...her doctor told her that it was infants and senior citizens, who have weak immune systems that had the serious problems with this. However, a few towns over a 17 year old was sent home from school w/the symptoms and two days later he passed away. I don't know more details...

I've known a few people now that have had it, they've all told me it's like a bad "regular" flu.

I'm not getting the shot...don't trust it, but that's not based on anything but my own wild imagination. I have very little interaction with humans (work with horses), so I'm hoping that's insurance enough, lol.

stilettos
10-30-2009, 02:47 PM
My daughter just got over the swine flu last week. It kicked her to the curb, but she's fine now. She's in grad school...her doctor told her that it was infants and senior citizens, who have weak immune systems that had the serious problems with this. However, a few towns over a 17 year old was sent home from school w/the symptoms and two days later he passed away. I don't know more details...

I've known a few people now that have had it, they've all told me it's like a bad "regular" flu.

I'm not getting the shot...don't trust it, but that's not based on anything but my own wild imagination. I have very little interaction with humans (work with horses), so I'm hoping that's insurance enough, lol.

I was tested today...I have it. Feel rough...but I did not get the shot, wouldn't get the shot. Now that I have had it, my body will build up immunities and if it comes back...Shoes doesn't get it. Mr. Shoes says he wants it, so he too will then be immune t it.....he does some study with CDC and OSHA guidelines as a part of his business. Overseas, they are not afraid to catch a virus. Nor am I. I will be fine by late next week. No antibiotics, no vaccine. Just me.

oh_gal
10-30-2009, 03:41 PM
As far as the autism aspect that is worrying some people, the component that some believe is the link is a preservative called thermisol. Not all of the H1N1 vaccinations have thermisol in them.

As for those who wonder how they know if you have H1N1 or some other flu, I believe there is a test that can tell that.

MCDRAW
10-30-2009, 05:21 PM
Two of my children have had the swine flu, It started as cough and allergy symptoms. One had body aches, the other didn't. Both had a headache. That's why I took them to the Doctor. I was treating the asthma symptoms but the headache didn't fit. Neither had a high fever. My friends son takes cough medicine for his allergies. Her Doctor told her not to give him the cough syrup if he had fever because he thinks that's why some people are getting so bad and dying. They suppress the cough so they can't cough it up and it settles in their lungs. I don't know if it's true or not but I know I wouldn't have known if they hadn't kept complaining with a headache. We aren't getting the shot. I also read that if you use the neti pot everyday and gargle with listerine, it could help keep the swine flu away. O/T I bought some listerine for us to gargle with. My 16 year old used it later she came and said Mom the next time you buy us some mouth wash will you please try not to buy us poison. I told her that is what beer tasted like.

stilettos
10-30-2009, 06:01 PM
Two of my children have had the swine flu, It started as cough and allergy symptoms. One had body aches, the other didn't. Both had a headache. That's why I took them to the Doctor. I was treating the asthma symptoms but the headache didn't fit. Neither had a high fever. My friends son takes cough medicine for his allergies. Her Doctor told her not to give him the cough syrup if he had fever because he thinks that's why some people are getting so bad and dying. They suppress the cough so they can't cough it up and it settles in their lungs. I don't know if it's true or not but I know I wouldn't have known if they hadn't kept complaining with a headache. We aren't getting the shot. I also read that if you use the neti pot everyday and gargle with listerine, it could help keep the swine flu away. O/T I bought some listerine for us to gargle with. My 16 year old used it later she came and said Mom the next time you buy us some mouth wash will you please try not to buy us poison. I told her that is what beer tasted like.

Laughing my butt off about the beer comment! Funny! My doc told me today when i came up positive for it that the nedi pot might have prevented this, and other sinus issues also. I have one under the sink...don't like it as I have an inner ear and sinus issue....guess I should get used to the inconvenience. He also said sniffing saline from your palm is good.

MCDRAW
10-30-2009, 10:59 PM
Laughing my butt off about the beer comment! Funny! My doc told me today when i came up positive for it that the nedi pot might have prevented this, and other sinus issues also. I have one under the sink...don't like it as I have an inner ear and sinus issue....guess I should get used to the inconvenience. He also said sniffing saline from your palm is good.


You know I convinced one kid that he would die if he ever smoked because he has asthma. I figured I would give the listerine taste test to keep them from drinking. Who knows if she will buy it but I thought it was worth a try. I also read that you could blow your nose hard and swab the insides with a Qtip dipped in saline.

Gracenote
10-31-2009, 12:40 AM
It isn't available here unless you have an "in" with a doctor like one of my acquaintances. She has no health probs, a healthy 50 years old, not high risk, nothing, but he said here take it and don't tell anyone. (she has a big mouth, he should know that LOL) Kids can't get the shot here because they say they are out of vaccine but not really. You have to know someone. That ticks me off like you wouldn't believe. Of all times you would think politics and favoritism wouldn't enter in. I don't need it, I'm old, but let the kids and people with health issues have it IF the parents want them to.

smart blonde
10-31-2009, 04:59 AM
If I come down with the H1N1/ Swine Flu, I've decided to lie and tell eveyone I have the 'Swan Flu'.

It just sounds so much prettier, don't you think?

oh_gal
10-31-2009, 07:45 AM
I'm leaving in about an hour to get a spot in line for the H1N1 clinic being held nearby. Only the kids will get the nasal vaccination -- hubby and I do not fall into the "at risk" groups yet.

From what I've seen on the news, these clinics have standing room only -- which is why I'm leaving 1 1/2 hours before it starts to get a spot in line.

ETA: Well, we're all back from the clinic. It was PACKED, and some of the people were surly...getting angrny because they thought my husband was cutting in line ahead of them (he was on his way back to where I was, because I'd already signed us all in). The nurse allowed us (mom and dad) to get the vaccination too, even though we weren't in the high risk category, because she said there was more than enough vaccine at the clinic, and we wouldn't be taking it away from someone in one of the high risk groups. So we all got it.

stilettos
10-31-2009, 10:32 AM
If I come down with the H1N1/ Swine Flu, I've decided to lie and tell eveyone I have the 'Swan Flu'.

It just sounds so much prettier, don't you think?

Be a good idea to lie..people are crazy paraniod and irrational. Friend' DIL says that if she gets it she will never hold her Grandchild again or have her in her home. NUTS!

oh_gal
10-31-2009, 04:27 PM
OK, 6 1/2 hours post vaccination, and absolutely no side effects for anyone yet. :)
(No fever, aching joints, stuffiness, sore arms, etc.)

believe09
10-31-2009, 08:49 PM
Well I am stunned. People are worried about the side effects more than the ailment? Hmm. To me all flu's are essentially the same-our district has been nailed with it but all of the cases are mild.

believe09
10-31-2009, 08:51 PM
It isn't available here unless you have an "in" with a doctor like one of my acquaintances. She has no health probs, a healthy 50 years old, not high risk, nothing, but he said here take it and don't tell anyone. (she has a big mouth, he should know that LOL) Kids can't get the shot here because they say they are out of vaccine but not really. You have to know someone. That ticks me off like you wouldn't believe. Of all times you would think politics and favoritism wouldn't enter in. I don't need it, I'm old, but let the kids and people with health issues have it IF the parents want them to.

If you have public health here in MA, the state ships out the allotment separately. A friend of mine was telling me how her pediatrician had to put out an email stating that those with Mass Health cannot come to any of the flu clinics because the state has not shipped the doses.

NIIICCCEEE. Talk about privilege!!!!!!!!

oh_gal
11-01-2009, 07:59 AM
The shortage situation reminds me of gas prices....When we drove cross country from Ohio to California, it was amazing watching the fluctuating gas prices...some were paying through the nose, others were paying a lot less than we were in Ohio...

No rhyme or reason to me...

I hope everyone who wants the vaccine is able to get it soon. They still don't have it at the kid's pediatrician, but the health district does...

SuziQ
11-01-2009, 05:08 PM
I would probably get the shot if I didn't have to wait in line with a ton of people who might already have it. I'm avoiding crowds as it is so it makes no sense to me to expose myself only to find out that the vaccine has run out or I don't qualify. As it turns out, me and my son are not in a priority group anyways.

stilettos
11-01-2009, 05:11 PM
3 1/2 days here after contracting the virus. No fever, no headache, no congestion and slight tired feeling. All is well and we at our home are now immune if it comes back. Smiling happy faces here.

SuziQ
11-01-2009, 05:16 PM
Interesting reading about the symptoms posted. I had some nasty achy, headache, sinus, allergy thing and no fever a few weeks ago. It hit me within a day. Because I wasn't running a fever, my doc and I agreed it was probably was a sinus infection and I did the zpac antibiotics. Antibiotics didn't do anything. Now I'm wondering if I did have the swine flu? I was very sick for over two weeks.

oh_gal
11-01-2009, 05:55 PM
I would probably get the shot if I didn't have to wait in line with a ton of people who might already have it. I'm avoiding crowds as it is so it makes no sense to me to expose myself only to find out that the vaccine has run out or I don't qualify. As it turns out, me and my son are not in a priority group anyways.

The Health Department told me (at the clinic) that they would not turn ANYONE away who wanted a shot, whether you fell into a high risk group, or not.

The lines moved fairly quickly...it was just waiting for them to get started, because we went early, as did most everyone. I just took a book to read.

Mom2three
11-02-2009, 12:57 AM
I voted no. My six year old had it three weeks ago, and so far none of the rest of us have gotten it. He was on the couch for a whole week, fever of 102 and up. We have the vaccine here, but they are limiting who gets it.

EmMomma
11-02-2009, 02:50 PM
I chose no, I don't trust the vaccine or the side effects.
I work in a VERY busy ER at a large hospital.
A hospital wide e-mail was sent, saying that the seasonal flu shot and H1N1 were both mandatory. The next day, only the seasonal vaccine was mandatory. I get this feeling that enough of a ruckus was made that the powers that be changed it. So, I got the seasonal flu shot. I'm the allergy queen, no way am I getting the H1N1 vaccine.
FWIW, one of the docs I work w specialized in infectious diseases before he moved to the ER. He and several other docs seem to think that the worst of it is over, now we have the seasonal flu to deal with.
So, in short, I took the seasonal flu shot (only because I had to), and I will not, in a million years, take the H1N1 vaccine unless made mandatory by my employer.
Wash hands, cover coughs and sneezes, wash hands, wash hands, wash hands. :)
P.S. I don't know about other parts of the country, but in GA, they aren't even testing people as outpatients. People who are ill enough to need admission to the hospital w flu like symptoms are the only ones being tested.

oh_gal
11-02-2009, 03:53 PM
My daughter just got over the swine flu last week. It kicked her to the curb, but she's fine now. She's in grad school...her doctor told her that it was infants and senior citizens, who have weak immune systems that had the serious problems with this. However, a few towns over a 17 year old was sent home from school w/the symptoms and two days later he passed away. I don't know more details...

I've known a few people now that have had it, they've all told me it's like a bad "regular" flu.

I'm not getting the shot...don't trust it, but that's not based on anything but my own wild imagination. I have very little interaction with humans (work with horses), so I'm hoping that's insurance enough, lol.

I haven't heard that H1N1 has mutated to horses yet, so you're right...you're probably safe.
You haven't been craving hay and oats lately, have you?

tarabull
11-03-2009, 12:07 AM
Here is one Doctor's thoughts on the H1N1 (Swine Flu) shots.
Certainly makes one wonder what to do.

DR. RUSSELL BLAYLOCK ON SWINE FLU

This is an email sent to a friend of Dr. Blaylock and is now being
forwarded to anyone interested. Please pass it along. Also note the
attached biography of Dr. Blaylock. Dr. Blaylock is a board
certified neurosurgeon, author and lecturer. He attended the LSU
School of Medicine in New Orleans and completed his general surgical
internship and neurosurgical residency at the Medical University of
South Carolina in Charleston, SC.

No one should take this vaccine (Swine Flu vaccine)—it is one of the
most dangerous vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant
called squalene (MF-59) which has been shown to cause severe
autoimmune disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus.
The newsletter for August covers this and it may not be out yet.
This is the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War
syndrome, which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200%
increase in the fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease). This virus
H1N1 kills by causing a “cytokine storm”, which means that it causes
the body’s immune system to overreact and that is why it is killing
young people and is a mild disease in the elderly. (The elderly have
weakened immune systems.) This vaccine is a very powerful immune
stimulator and carries the real possibility of making the lethality
of the virus much greater.

One’s best protection is vitamin D3.. One should take 5000 IU a day now
and when the disease begins to spread increase the dose to 15,000 IU a day.
Vitamin D3 modulates the immune reaction, reducing the chance of an
overreaction and stimulates the body to produce what are called
antimicrobial peptides, which are powerful killers of viruses that
does not involve immunity. This is dose related, which means the
higher the dose of vitamin D3 the better the protection. Fish oils
(the best is Carlson’s Norwegian lemon flavored fish oil) also
reduce immune overreaction. One teaspoon a day should be sufficient.
For severe symptoms, one teaspoon twice a day. Antioxidants of
various kinds also help—this includes, quercetin, curcumin,
grape seed extract, vitamin C and natural vitamin E.
A good multivitamin/mineral such as Extend Core (www.vrp.com) is also essential.

Feel free to spread this around. People need to know how to protect themselves.

Additonal Information from Dr. Blaylock:

Docs website:
http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/

Dr. Russell Blaylock: Vaccine May Be More Dangerous Than Swine Flu:
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/dr-russell-blaylock-vaccine-may-be-more-dangerous-than-swine-flu/

Dr. Russell Blaylock on 1976 Swine Flu and Outbreak Today
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/dr-russell-blaylock-on-1976-swine-flu-and-current-outbreak/

oh_gal
11-03-2009, 02:30 PM
In response to tarabull's post at the end of page 2:

I guess we can only do (as parents) what we think is best for our children...as well as ourselves.

I wonder how many of the parents whose children have died from Swine Flu wish they'd been able to have the vaccine? Those are statistics I'd like to see.

oh_gal
11-03-2009, 05:03 PM
Here is one Doctor's thoughts on the H1N1 (Swine Flu) shots.
Certainly makes one wonder what to do.

DR. RUSSELL BLAYLOCK ON SWINE FLU

This is an email sent to a friend of Dr. Blaylock and is now being
forwarded to anyone interested. Please pass it along. Also note the
attached biography of Dr. Blaylock. Dr. Blaylock is a board
certified neurosurgeon, author and lecturer. He attended the LSU
School of Medicine in New Orleans and completed his general surgical
internship and neurosurgical residency at the Medical University of
South Carolina in Charleston, SC.

No one should take this vaccine (Swine Flu vaccine)—it is one of the
most dangerous vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant
called squalene (MF-59) which has been shown to cause severe
autoimmune disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus.
The newsletter for August covers this and it may not be out yet.
This is the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War
syndrome, which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200%
increase in the fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease). This virus
H1N1 kills by causing a “cytokine storm”, which means that it causes
the body’s immune system to overreact and that is why it is killing
young people and is a mild disease in the elderly. (The elderly have
weakened immune systems.) This vaccine is a very powerful immune
stimulator and carries the real possibility of making the lethality
of the virus much greater.

One’s best protection is vitamin D3.. One should take 5000 IU a day now
and when the disease begins to spread increase the dose to 15,000 IU a day.
Vitamin D3 modulates the immune reaction, reducing the chance of an
overreaction and stimulates the body to produce what are called
antimicrobial peptides, which are powerful killers of viruses that
does not involve immunity. This is dose related, which means the
higher the dose of vitamin D3 the better the protection. Fish oils
(the best is Carlson’s Norwegian lemon flavored fish oil) also
reduce immune overreaction. One teaspoon a day should be sufficient.
For severe symptoms, one teaspoon twice a day. Antioxidants of
various kinds also help—this includes, quercetin, curcumin,
grape seed extract, vitamin C and natural vitamin E.
A good multivitamin/mineral such as Extend Core (www.vrp.com) is also essential.

Feel free to spread this around. People need to know how to protect themselves.

Additonal Information from Dr. Blaylock:

Docs website:
http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/

Dr. Russell Blaylock: Vaccine May Be More Dangerous Than Swine Flu:
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/dr-russell-blaylock-vaccine-may-be-more-dangerous-than-swine-flu/

Dr. Russell Blaylock on 1976 Swine Flu and Outbreak Today
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/dr-russell-blaylock-on-1976-swine-flu-and-current-outbreak/


According to THIS doctor (a senior physician in the infectious disease division of Boston's Children's Hospital), the H1N1 vaccine that is being given in the US DOES NOT CONTAIN SQUALENE, and not all doses contain thimerisol. (I have no idea, since it's not stated in your post if the doctor you cite is speaking of the US H1N1 vaccine, or those being given in Canada or Europe.)

http://childrenshospitalblog.org/thimerosal-squalene-and-guillain-barre-expert-answers-to-your-seasonal-and-h1n1-flu-questions/


I hate "emails" like the one posted above that do nothing except incite fear in people and serve to spread mass-hysteria. If you're going to take the time to read the above post, at least take the time to do a little research yourself to find out just how valid it is, and then make your own informed decision.

TotallyObsessed
11-03-2009, 05:53 PM
I have had two people that I work very closely come down with the flu - the first right after she got the flu shot, and the second right after she got the swine flu shot. I took the regular flu shot, and have now been offered the swine shot (thru work)...I don't know if I want to take it. I am scared/in denial. I'm like....nahhhh...don't really believe all the hulabaloo. I am 51 - not really in the target age for the swine flu. Just don't know what to do here.

smart blonde
11-04-2009, 05:30 AM
I have had two people that I work very closely come down with the flu - the first right after she got the flu shot, and the second right after she got the swine flu shot. I took the regular flu shot, and have now been offered the swine shot (thru work)...I don't know if I want to take it. I am scared/in denial. I'm like....nahhhh...don't really believe all the hulabaloo. I am 51 - not really in the target age for the swine flu. Just don't know what to do here.
I'm wondering if your co-worker who got sick after receiving a flu shot may be allergic to eggs.

She may be allergic, and not even aware of it. (Not as strange as it sounds, as I'm allergic to eggs, but still eat an omelet now and then. My egg allergy effects my central nervous system. The reactions I get after eating eggs is a feeling of lethargy, a headache afterwards, and very cranky- but I've known of this allergy since childhood testing, and do my best to refrain from eating eggs. Except for those cheese and mushroom omelets about 3 times a year. Yumm).

But even though I can occasionally EAT egg, I cannot have it injected into me, lol!

If this co-worker is allergic to egg (the flu vacine is grown in an egg-based culture), keep in mind her body is reacting to her allergy, not the flu vaccine itself.

Who knows? She may have even already been exposed to the flu virus a day or two prior to getting the shot, and not known it, and would have gotten sick anyway.

Keep in mind any reaction she has, doesn't mean you will have the same one.

smart blonde
11-05-2009, 01:05 AM
My 24 year old daughter called me from Wyoming a little while ago and she just spent the night in the hospital.

They told her she has H1N1, two ear infections, and bronchitis they are worried may turn in to pneumonia. Her dad took her to the hospital yesterday when her temperature reached 103 degrees. She said it came on very suddenly. One minute she was feeling fine, and the next she was dizzy and nauseous, and needed to lay down.

They gave her Tamiflu, which makes me feel somewhat better. She said she is lying on the couch, sleeping on and off, and her temperature right now is 100.2.

She is feeling miserable, and I am feeling helpless and sick with worry. Wyoming seems a long way from California right now! I want to be there to 'baby' my baby!

tarabull
11-05-2009, 04:49 AM
My 24 year old daughter called me from Wyoming a little while ago and she just spent the night in the hospital.

They told her she has H1N1, two ear infections, and bronchitis they are worried may turn in to pneumonia. Her dad took her to the hospital yesterday when her temperature reached 103 degrees. She said it came on very suddenly. One minute she was feeling fine, and the next she was dizzy and nauseous, and needed to lay down.

They gave her Tamiflu, which makes me feel somewhat better. She said she is lying on the couch, sleeping on and off, and her temperature right now is 100.2.

She is feeling miserable, and I am feeling helpless and sick with worry. Wyoming seems a long way from California right now! I want to be there to 'baby' my baby!

REALLY sorry to read this SB....I hope you can find comfort in knowing she's been diagnoised and treated and she should start to recooperate. I hope she's back to feeling herself just as quickly as it came on. I can only imagine what you're going thru, all those miles inbetween & not being able to baby your baby. Sending you & your family thoughts & prayers.

keep us posted ok....
tarabull.

wonders
11-05-2009, 04:42 PM
I said no.
I just want a regular flu vaccine.
I have a question if I may.
Is there a regular flu vaccine or is it just the H1N1 vaccine you can get?

TIA

tarabull
11-06-2009, 02:54 AM
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/health/2009/11/05/ward.ia.h1n1.cat.kcci

The first known case of the H1N1 flu virus in a cat has been confirmed

tarabull
11-06-2009, 03:07 PM
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/11/06/11655966-sun.html

[snipped...] The virus can survive better on hard surfaces, like coins, than it can on paper money, but both are capable of passing it on.

The Public Health Agency of Canada reports H1N1 can survive up to 48 hours on hard surfaces, like coins, and eight to 12 hours on soft surfaces including money.

EmMomma
11-08-2009, 02:25 AM
I said no.
I just want a regular flu vaccine.
I have a question if I may.
Is there a regular flu vaccine or is it just the H1N1 vaccine you can get?

TIA

There are 2 separate vaccines, seasonal and H1N1.

smart blonde
11-08-2009, 03:38 AM
Update for Tarabull, and all my concerned, fellow WS's:

I have been speaking to my daughter several times a day, for just a few minutes each time, while she has been down with the H1N1 flu.

I hope yesterday was the worst day for her. She was actually sobbing each time I spoke with her- I have never heard her sound so miserable. She was in excruciating pain from the body aches, but mostly from the sinus infection. She kept crying that she thought she was dying. She is not one to over-react, even when she was little.

My ex took her back to the hospital, where the doctor in the emergency room gave her a prescription specifically for the sinusitis (sp?), and something more to bring down her temperature, which had again risen sharply.

I am happy to report, that while she is still sick and feeling lousy, still feverish and achy, she is doing much better! It was obvious to me just hearing her voice, the improvement since yesterday. (She was actually a little bit embarrassed for "acting like a baby" - her words, not mine. I so was worried).

Hopefully the worst is over (like I promised her on the phone yesterday)!

oh_gal
11-09-2009, 04:56 PM
Hope DD is feeling better,SB!

belleyes
11-10-2009, 03:27 PM
In response to tarabull's post at the end of page 2:

I guess we can only do (as parents) what we think is best for our children...as well as ourselves.

I wonder how many of the parents whose children have died from Swine Flu wish they'd been able to have the vaccine? Those are statistics I'd like to see.


I think I'm immune after caring for 3 flu infected kids
I'm thinking of selling shirts "I survived the Swine" --(ha ha) JK

My DD has severe Asthma and the vaccine was not available in our area (that I was aware of) until Oct. 26. On Oct 25 I stayed up until 2am researching the safety and was still unsure ever though I knew the risk and was told repeatedly that she needed to be first in line. Well God works in mysterious ways. We woke up the day of the clinic and she had very low grade fever-I kept her home as a precaution (because of her fever I was advised to wait to take her to the next clinic 2 days later. By 10pm she had a fever of 101 and wheezing. I called my Mom the nurse and she said just take her to the hospital if you feel uneasy (she said everyone else is going there). Mom went with me and by 10:45 DD was gasping for air surrounded by 7 ER workers (dr,nurses, and others I didnt know) They were asking me If she had ever been intubated (ventillator --I think but please correct me ) and that they were preping for addmission. Fortunately I was in "Momma Lion" mode and didnt notice My mom the nurse weeping in the corner. After DD was stabilized and settled in a room , my mom confessed that we were close to losing her because she was in respiratory distress. Later the Dr. confirmed we are the case that everyone fears and the she could have been a statistic if we hadn't gotten to the E.R. The Dr. said she was a "classic" swine flu (whatever that means) it hits very quickly. She only spent a day and a half in hospital (Tamiflu works wonders) My very long point was that the hopital said its not deadly unless you have other health complications----they werent worried about the flu they were concerned about the life threatening Asthma attack (brought on by Swine Flu) in fact they released her with a fever. Needless to say I have been at home in isolation for the last 2wks as all 3 kids cycled through the flu (of course they couldnt get sick together) The funny thing was the nurse who said ---Well at least now you dont have to worry about getting your kids the vaccine-do u know anyone else who wants to get it (H1N1) over with? They can come visit .

oh_gal
11-13-2009, 02:27 PM
Glad your daughter is on the mend, Bell!

LinasK
11-13-2009, 02:42 PM
I've decided the risk of Gullian-Barre is worth it. Those studies were done in the '70's. A lot has changed since then. Both my daughter and I are high-risk, although she isn't in the typical categories. When I took her to her pediatrician for what turned out to only be a cold and not an ear infection, they ended up letting me make an appointment for her for next week. She is low on one Immunoglobin and gets sick at the drop of a hat. I have Asthma and have a call into my GP to get an Rx for the vaccine. I've had the regular flu- wouldn't wish it on my worst enemies, and a 7-year-old not far from here died of H1N1 in 24 hours!:eek::eek::eek:
In My Opinion, people who don't get immunizations are playing Russian Roulette...

Lady Stardust
11-18-2009, 08:57 AM
Btw: Can someone explain to me why the swine flu is called 'swine' flu and not 'pig' flu?

Thanks. :)

oh_gal
11-18-2009, 09:01 AM
Btw: Can someone explain to me why the swine flu is called 'swine' flu and not 'pig' flu?

Thanks. :)

Animal-correctedness.

LinasK
11-18-2009, 01:52 PM
I've decided the risk of Gullian-Barre is worth it. Those studies were done in the '70's. A lot has changed since then. Both my daughter and I are high-risk, although she isn't in the typical categories. When I took her to her pediatrician for what turned out to only be a cold and not an ear infection, they ended up letting me make an appointment for her for next week. She is low on one Immunoglobin and gets sick at the drop of a hat. I have Asthma and have a call into my GP to get an Rx for the vaccine. I've had the regular flu- wouldn't wish it on my worst enemies, and a 7-year-old not far from here died of H1N1 in 24 hours!:eek::eek::eek:
In My Opinion, people who don't get immunizations are playing Russian Roulette...
Update: Got my H1N1 vaccine yesterday and feeling fine! My arm was actually less sore from this shot than from the regular seasonal flu shot!

BlOnDe_GuRrL
11-19-2009, 04:27 AM
No, I don't trust the vaccine and its side effects.

i should get it because i dont want to put my 3 y/o and 5 month old at risk... but i'm taking other precautions.. such as not leaving my house lol
my 11 y/o already had it... and stayed in the hospital so he wouldn't affect the little ones.

LinasK
11-20-2009, 12:26 AM
No, I don't trust the vaccine and its side effects.

i should get it because i dont want to put my 3 y/o and 5 month old at risk... but i'm taking other precautions.. such as not leaving my house lol
my 11 y/o already had it... and stayed in the hospital so he wouldn't affect the little ones.
No side effects here! I got mine 2 days ago and my 8 year old got hers yesterday.

oh_gal
11-20-2009, 12:58 PM
We're taking the kids for their booster H1N1 shots on 12/5. We've had no ill effects since getting the vaccination on 10/31. After reading about the deaths and WS family members who are critically ill with H1N1 and complications, I'm glad we got the vaccination.

Kat
11-20-2009, 04:30 PM
I've been trying to get it but no luck. We haven't been able to get it on post and the community we live in now has some doses but are reserving them to give to high risk patients.

I was able to get an appt for my one son, he has asthma and they will give it to him.

lovelabs
11-20-2009, 04:50 PM
I wish my nephew would've gotten the shot, maybe he wouldn't be fighting for his life, on a ventilator from complications from the swine flu. (I've have a 'prayers needed for nephew' thread) with all the things that has been going wrong since he was admitted to the hospital early Sunday morning.

teedie2
11-20-2009, 09:30 PM
Does anyone know of persons who are older than the age limit who have had Swine Flu?

Just curious.

I hope all of you (and families, etc) do well this flu season, and those who have it get well quickly.

oh_gal
12-10-2009, 12:37 PM
I'm just curious...what exactly are the reported (not possible, but actual, "have occurred"), side effects that everyone is worried about? I mean, before we got our vaccine, I read all about it at the CDC -- didn't really really too much of the "other" stuff that's out there, unless I could see that it was valid, and not just someone expressing their fears/opinion. While I'm aware that side effects can occur, I've yet to hear of anyone suffering a serious side effect from the HIN1 vaccine. Has anyone else heard of anything?

FWIW, we got our vaccinations on 10/31, and have not yet suffered any side effects.

ScorpRising
12-13-2009, 04:37 PM
I sucked it up and got the vaccine on Tuesday, but only because I'm pregnant (which I wasn't when declaring that not my son or myself would get the vaccine). I survived but Munch still won't be getting one. He doesn't have any medical problems that would increase his risk whereas I have asthma AND a baby on the way...

joga
12-15-2009, 12:51 PM
i got it for my daughter and myself last night...i do have to say that i was concerned about the vaccine (we don't get the seasonal vaccine), but after much research and advice of many family members working in the medical field, i decided to do it. they set up a free clinic in my city and it was all very smooth, there were a lot of people there, but we were in and out in 15 minutes. we got the nasal spray, which ONLY contains the weakened H1N1 virus and not three different "dead" viruses and contains NO preservatives....

passionflower
12-15-2009, 01:03 PM
WTAE.com
TV channel in Pittsburgh........H1N1 flu vaccine recall................800,000 kids doses,
not high enough serum, but won't hurt anyone, just not as protected as planned.

orb4me
12-16-2009, 04:49 PM
H1n1 prefilled syrings for children has been recalled. Now thats creepy. Last I could find was 800,000 doses have been recalled. Just in MI. I think.


oops, sorry Passionflower, I didnt see your post.

Nore
06-13-2010, 12:29 AM
I voted no. I still remember the last time.

oh_gal
07-01-2010, 07:58 PM
FWIW, our vaccines were in October 2009, and none of us have had any side effects at all, as of today's date. (Two adults, one 4 year old, one 2 year old).

For everyone worried about the side effects, you're not going to have much choice if you want a flu shot this year, since it will now contain a component for swine flu.

PorcineGranny
07-03-2010, 01:19 AM
Oh gal is right, its going to be a combination, but I am not taking any flu shot from now on. I have done my homework and I do not trust the government.

Storm
07-05-2010, 11:31 PM
I can't get a flu shot ..allergic to eggs and got the H1N1 flu in February..I had not had the flu for 17 yrs. I have asthma, so with steroids, antibiotics etc..it was no big deal (thank goodness!)...temp of 102 for a couple of days but didn't really feel that bad. Not sure I'd get the flu shot if I could. ^i^




FWIW, our vaccines were in October 2009, and none of us have had any side effects at all, as of today's date. (Two adults, one 4 year old, one 2 year old).

For everyone worried about the side effects, you're not going to have much choice if you want a flu shot this year, since it will now contain a component for swine flu.

Kat
07-07-2010, 02:26 AM
We were able to get one this spring. I plan on getting one every year now --flu vaccine---because I am getting older.

angelmom
07-14-2010, 01:16 PM
FWIW, our vaccines were in October 2009, and none of us have had any side effects at all, as of today's date. (Two adults, one 4 year old, one 2 year old).

For everyone worried about the side effects, you're not going to have much choice if you want a flu shot this year, since it will now contain a component for swine flu.

Huh. Good to know.

Now I'll have to figure that one out. I'm not as concerned now about getting it as I was since I know so many who have gotten it without side effects. I didn't like last year that it was so new and they weren't sure yet.

Hmmm...:waitasec:

NewsMuse
07-21-2010, 01:48 PM
Huh. Good to know.

Now I'll have to figure that one out. I'm not as concerned now about getting it as I was since I know so many who have gotten it without side effects. I didn't like last year that it was so new and they weren't sure yet.

Hmmm...:waitasec:

Same here; missed that completely. However, hubs and I received both so we could visit my parents. My mom has an auto-immune thing going on; and my dad, well, has lung issues due to smoking and rapidly declining. Since he has put his medical directive into effect, it was a must for us.

I agree on the the comment above about the government's insistence for this particular swine flu shot. So little testing and information did give us pause. :waitasec:

I worked in health care for 20+ years and a yearly flu shot was mandatory, but I really didn't mind since, well, you never know what you will come into contact with at an acute care facility. The "getting a shot part" was the only thing I didn't like. :blushing:

JMHO only.

Sooner Fan#1
07-27-2010, 02:00 PM
I woke up yesterday with swine flu...I felt so awful I couldn't even out of bed to get to the doctor. Horrible blinding headache, backache, fever, chills, cough...I'm 58 and I would definitely take a shot. Doing some research and wonder if you have it, does it make you immune? :sick::sick::sick: Even my skin hurt and even Excedrin didn't even help. Guess I'll tough it out this time.

LinasK
09-11-2010, 07:01 PM
Update: Got my H1N1 vaccine yesterday and feeling fine! My arm was actually less sore from this shot than from the regular seasonal flu shot!


No side effects here! I got mine 2 days ago and my 8 year old got hers yesterday.


Huh. Good to know.

Now I'll have to figure that one out. I'm not as concerned now about getting it as I was since I know so many who have gotten it without side effects. I didn't like last year that it was so new and they weren't sure yet.

Hmmm...:waitasec:
I remained side-effect free, and in a couple of weeks I'll be getting the combined Flu shot (with H1N1) in it!

Wendy101
09-12-2010, 06:49 PM
The swine flu is still going around???

Herding Cats
09-12-2010, 08:15 PM
Yes, Zaha, it's still here, still lethal in unusual age groups, and still a serious concern. I'm sincerely hoping it hasn't mutated into something else new.

I suggest getting the vaccine.

Best-
Herding Cats

Melanie
11-09-2010, 08:54 AM
Hi,

I'll get the regular flu shot, but not the swine flu shot. Only because my heart doc suggested me not to. I have too many pre-existing conditions to start playing around with such vaccines. I've reacted fine to the flu shot, but I'm not sure I want to test the swine this year. I'd suggest that anyone who gets the swine consult with your doctor first and not go to Walgreens, CVS, etc to get one.

Hugs,

Mel

Goldengoldilocks
11-11-2010, 12:24 AM
I voted no, because I already had the swine flu.

Im not sure what was worse, my bacterial pneumonia, or the swine flu. Both left me flat out for a week.. with the pneumonia at least I had some medical help.

I work in a facility that encourages flu shots, I have had our infection control lady chase me around the facility looking to jab her little needle in my arm. I have refused to get the flu shots for 4 years, due to the pnuemonia.. I got it about a week after my last flu shot. I refuse to get it ever again.

When I contracted the swine flu, it was before any of the big alerts/panic epidemic. My family physician said to go home and sleep, I insisted on swabs confirmed case of H1N1. The infection control lady still was chasing me around trying to give me the shot last year after I showed her my lab results. It was kinda funny.

LinasK
11-12-2010, 06:35 PM
My husband finally got his, so I'm happy because for once, our whole family is immunized!!! So I don't have to worry so much about him being the lone one not able to get the shot and catching it. The awkward part was a couple of days ago when I was talking to two friends, one being a nurse who was volunteering where I could get flu shots for free, and the other was a friend who was anti-immunizations!

wonderllama
12-02-2010, 08:00 PM
Australia is about to destroy several million doses of the Swine Flu vaccine which I believe have reached their shelf life or something similar.

We had readied ourselves for a predicted 20,000 deaths and to date I believe we've had 211. 211 too many, but I think we overreacted with 10million doses at the ready.

Kaybug
12-02-2010, 08:10 PM
I voted, Yes, I believe it will stop me from getting sick and it is safe

I have lung issues and get a flu shot every year, all kinds, and have had a pneumonia shot.

Shlock Homes
12-04-2010, 10:34 PM
Vaccines will only work if you are exposed to the same strain that you have been vaccinated for. If it mutates, it won't help you.

The people most vulnerable to serious complications from flu are the elderly and weak. The flu vaccine might protect them, but it still isn't 100% guarantee.

If you want to protect yourself from the flu, then don't go outside at all. Or wear one of those hazmat suits.

People may get the flu virus, but never become sick; the ones who do need to know how to deal with it when they do get sick, instead of thinking a shot will solve all their problems. Since we're all built differently, our bodies' ways of coping with the virus differs, so you need to listen to your body. For me, it's all about getting plenty of rest and staying warm once I get sick. The immune system will take it's course, and eventually the problem goes away. Sometimes I'll burn in out in a day or two, maybe a lingering symptom like coughing will stick around, but the aches and pains will be gone.

A flu vaccine once every 5 years isn't going to be too bad, but every year is just asking for trouble. Especially if you end up getting a bad batch.

I could go into why I think we are being told it's a pandemic, but that's too much for this thread.

JenRen
12-20-2010, 11:18 PM
I voted, Yes, I believe it will stop me from getting sick and it is safe

I have lung issues and get a flu shot every year, all kinds, and have had a pneumonia shot.

Ditto!! I make it a priority to see my doctor for my yearly pin cushion treatment.

justthinkin
12-23-2010, 01:23 AM
Pregnant women are at particular high risk for complications of Swine Flu and actually seasonal flu as well as a fetus is a huge drain on the immune system.

If you are pregnant, and you think you're coming down with the flu see your doctor immediately. Insist that they do a swab, and insist that they use the long swab. Don't take NO for an answer. Last year short swabs often delivered false negative results. And at who's expense? The person with the flu. You don't want to be a statistic brought on by some doctor's poor handling of your case, kwim?

Gone are the days when we can totally rely on doctors to look after our health. Don't risk your health, your life or your baby's life. Read everything you can get your hands on. Be informed, and be smart. Being prepared is about the best way I can think of to eleviate any anxious thoughts you have about coming down with the flu.

You do not want to wind up in a hospital on a respirator fighting for your life. There are pregnant women in the UK on respirators now. I do not know what the current situation is in the US with Swine Flu so I have not checked any current statistics here.

It's a matter of quickly recognizing what you have is probably the flu, and getting treatment ASAP. I would recommend calling your doctor in advance, and asking what their treatment plan would be for you should you come down with the flu or come in to be tested for the flu. You need to know their answers to your questions in advance, forewarned is forearmed. If you don't like what you hear, call another doctor until you find someone you feel you can trust with your health.

My daughter was sick last year when she got pregnant. In my opinion, she had the Swine Flu, it was prevalent in our community at the time, but her doctor told her she only had a respiratory infection. She was given the short swab BTW. Her baby was born with a cleft lip and palate, something that is typically hereditary, yet there have been no babies born with clefts in either our family or her husband's family's history. The flu can cause birth defects, and cleft lip/palate, among others.
http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/14/1/95.htm

LinasK
11-08-2011, 01:15 PM
Timely! This afternoon, my daughter is getting her nasal flu vaccination, and I will get my shot tomorrow. Hopefully, we'll get hubby in in the next week too!

Indy Anna
01-20-2012, 03:04 AM
I know there has been an anticipated outbreak of swine flu for many years, but I really hadn't paid attention to the recent hype. I rarely to never get a flu shot. One year my doctor strongly recommended that I get one because I'd already had a respiratory infection that I had a hard time shaking. I don't remember if I did get the vaccine, though. Normally I avoid vaccines since I found out when I started wearing contacts around 20 years ago that I'm allergic to Thimerasol. When I tell doctors that, they don't recommend I get a vaccine.

I already had a cold/respiratory infection this year. A few years ago I was very, very sick with a high fever (around 104 IIRC). But, I don't think I would get any less sick or recover any sooner by getting a vaccine. I usually take zinc lozenges and decongestants, eat a lot of garlic, and drink a concoction called Cyclone Cider (apple cider vinegar and cayenne pepper sauce with garlic and onion). Oh, and drink lots of fluid, especially hot tea.

I hope there won't be another flu pandemic. My great grandmother died in the epidemic of 1918. Everyone stay well!

mywarmbluefleece
02-06-2012, 05:43 PM
Normally I avoid vaccines since I found out when I started wearing contacts around 20 years ago that I'm allergic to Thimerasol. When I tell doctors that, they don't recommend I get a vaccine.

!

There is a flu vaccine without Thimersol. You'll have to call around, and it's about $10 more. I know here, the Visiting Nurses Association had it in stock.

CanManEh
02-11-2012, 02:40 AM
Man I really Hope this doesn't get to be such a huge problem like it was a few years ago. My ex gf went into preterm labour they had to fly her in a helicoptor to Toronto so they could do the emerg C section . We had been dating about 3 years when this happened and I can remember I had to scream and argue to make sure i was with her the whole time Finally they let me in and thankfully they did as i sat with my ex help her hand while they did the C section and then see my precious 2 pound baby daughter and luckily she is doing great But can you imagine If they had not let me in and i Missed all that .It was a miriacle for us to have a child but the way it all happened It was even more of a miricle that my daughter survived .I Dont think i could live with my self if i wasn't there to see it all happen all because of the dam swine flu..

LinasK
11-26-2012, 09:41 PM
By Lisa Collier Cool
Nov 26, 2012
If you’re tempted to skip your flu shot, consider this: Getting vaccinated cuts risk for a heart attack or stroke by up to 50 percent, according to two studies presented at the Canadian Cardiovascular Congress.
Scientists from TIMU Study Group and Network for Innovation in Clinical Research analyzed published clinical trials involving a total of 3,227 patients, half of whom had been diagnosed with heart disease. Participants, whose average age was 60, were randomly assigned to either receive flu vaccine or a placebo shot, then their health was tracked for 12 months.Those who got the flu shot were 50 percent less likely to suffer major cardiac events (such as heart attacks or strokes) and 40 percent less likely to die of cardiac causes. Similar trends were found in patients with and without previous heart disease. The findings suggest “that flu vaccine is a heart vaccine,” lead study author Jacob Udell told Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/10/29/flu-vaccine-may-protect-against-heart-disease/). more at link: http://health.yahoo.net/experts/dayinhealth/shot-prevents-heart-attacks

prop-clear
12-01-2012, 03:48 PM
Since the Cochrane Institute determined by a similar review of available research that the "flu shot" does not prevent 98.5 % of adults, who got the flu shot, from catching the flu, this info strikes me as being questionable. I tend to believe that significant skewing was involved, since physicians, nurses and the general public show a decrease in "accepting" the highly advertised "flu shot."

Redhead72
12-02-2012, 03:15 AM
It's good to know the pros and cons of any said vaccine. In regard to the Swine Flu Vaccine in particular - the one geared towards the outbreak specifically, I didn't contemplate having the shot as my family had all gotten ill with something that really knocked them out so to speak.

Our young kitten also got sick, and did not recover despite medications and special treatment. It was shortly after we were ill that the swine flu began to be diagnosed and tested for, but by that time we were already past all of that. I got sick the same day our kitten had to be put down, about 2 weeks after my family had been ill, and I had taken care of all of them. (I had been tiring myself out in the weeks prior - my husband was off work for almost 2 weeks, IIRC, which is unheard of for him.)

Months later it is discovered to often times be fatal to pet cats with owners who were exposed to the Swine Flu. Especially those with pre-existing illnesses like our kitten - who had a compromised immune system. All of the symptoms my family experienced were variations of the typical symptoms ultimately describing swine flu cases. Luckily we weren't too badly affected. It was still surprising as being homeschoolers it is rare to get many of the bugs that go through our schools, and this worried me when everyone was "down", but me...

Anyway, since our family likely already had immunity to that particular strain of "Swine Flu" being passed around, so we didn't need any vaccine for it.

As for myself and similar vaccines - I have gotten the seasonal flu shot the last two years because I am prone to chest colds and the like. Only one of my daughters (an adult) has decided to also get one because she is exposed to the general public a great deal in college and at her volunteer job this year. Neither of us has had any side effects.

~n/t~
12-27-2012, 11:02 AM
I don't know if there is another thread on Seasonal flu shots so I'm posting here.

Shame on me for not getting the flu shot. I was sick for 4 full days and I'm still recovering. This was the first year I missed Christmas with the family.

This is not a feel sorry for me post but just want you all to know that I thought I would deal with it when I got it. Well, I got it and it was not fun at all.

Next year, I'll be the first lining up to get the shot. Hope those who don't get the flu shot will consider doing the same.

Hugs to all. Have a healthy, safe holiday season.

passionflower
12-27-2012, 09:27 PM
On the news here they said that the flu shot had 2 strains in it.
another strain related to swine flu is going around here and not in the shot.
We all had the shot, but my grandson got it so bad that he lost weight.
My friend has had it for a week.

Tulessa
09-22-2013, 02:17 PM
I'm allergic to eggs, one of the substances in the culture they use to grow the flu vaccine.

The worst case of the flu I ever endured was after my one (and only) flu shot. I was sick within an hour of the injection, and by the next day had to be hospitalized. I thought I was going to die- it was that bad.

Just thinking about it, all these years later, makes me nauseous and achy. Ugh.

Same here! I'll just take my chances with the flu. That was the sickest I had ever been since I had Typhoid fever from a water source, I was 8 months old and don't remember that tho. I took care of my family doctor's aunt, and every year I would take the flu, when she took her shot.

Tulessa
09-22-2013, 02:19 PM
I can't vote because I just want to vote : NO.

There should be a simple Yes or No choice.

I voted no.

GhostMonkey
09-24-2013, 06:40 AM
I'll probably just get the regular flu shot. I've been getting that for the past few years, and the mist before that with no problems.

21merc7
09-26-2013, 04:48 PM
Never taken one yet, but I fear them as I am allergic to a lot of things. Had a reaction once with a pneumonia shot 1998, didn't last long but scared me and everyone near.

My boss always gets one and I then get a bit of something afterward, but cannot be sure it is b/c of him using my phone and keyboard, or germs from the bank or store.

LinasK
09-26-2013, 05:05 PM
I don't know if there is another thread on Seasonal flu shots so I'm posting here.

Shame on me for not getting the flu shot. I was sick for 4 full days and I'm still recovering. This was the first year I missed Christmas with the family.

This is not a feel sorry for me post but just want you all to know that I thought I would deal with it when I got it. Well, I got it and it was not fun at all.

Next year, I'll be the first lining up to get the shot. Hope those who don't get the flu shot will consider doing the same.

Hugs to all. Have a healthy, safe holiday season.
It's that time of year again!!!

Zuri
09-26-2013, 05:32 PM
I am just going to say this. I had Swine Flu Pneumonia in 2009. I almost died. I am the only person out of 14, who had it in October 2009, who lived. In the United States. I have brain deficits, my immune system is shot, cardiac issues and more. I have seen 17 specialists in the last 4 years and I will NEVER be the same healthy person I was prior. I can no longer work, take care of my family, be active. If you decide not to get the vaccine, at least make sure those you love get it. Mine is a cautionary tale. I am so blessed to be here. Swine Flu is no joke.

Kensie
09-26-2013, 10:00 PM
I am just going to say this. I had Swine Flu Pneumonia in 2009. I almost died. I am the only person out of 14, who had it in October 2009, who lived. In the United States. I have brain deficits, my immune system is shot, cardiac issues and more. I have seen 17 specialists in the last 4 years and I will NEVER be the same healthy person I was prior. I can no longer work, take care of my family, be active. If you decide not to get the vaccine, at least make sure those you love get it. Mine is a cautionary tale. I am so blessed to be here. Swine Flu is no joke.

Wow Zuri, that must have been scary. Glad you survived it

thepinkdragon
09-26-2013, 11:24 PM
I am just going to say this. I had Swine Flu Pneumonia in 2009. I almost died. I am the only person out of 14, who had it in October 2009, who lived. In the United States. I have brain deficits, my immune system is shot, cardiac issues and more. I have seen 17 specialists in the last 4 years and I will NEVER be the same healthy person I was prior. I can no longer work, take care of my family, be active. If you decide not to get the vaccine, at least make sure those you love get it. Mine is a cautionary tale. I am so blessed to be here. Swine Flu is no joke.

My then 1 yr old son and I got Swine Flu in the winter of 2009. I felt like I was being ripped to pieces from the inside out, and could not keep much down. If it weren't for my keeping hydrated no matter how many times I got sick my son and I probably wouldn't be here. He would not take pedialyte etc so he relied on my breast milk. I will never forget how scared I was for both of us. I'm actually surprised we made it because we both had immune issues, but I also heard the strain we had in Alaska was not as brutal as the lower 48. I'm now wondering if some of my problems stem from that. Hugs.


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LinasK
10-31-2013, 01:02 PM
Thanks for the reminders- we are getting our Flu shots next week- can't afford to be sick next Spring!!!