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Tuba
10-21-2009, 06:13 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/MorganatConcertOctober17128.jpg

lurkeyloo
10-21-2009, 08:52 PM
Tuba on the chart for Morgan am I interpreting correctly that this is someone Morgan knows ( perhaps an ex boyfriend) and is no longer on "good terms" with? I'm assuming the perp is male as represented by mars. Am I on the right track?

ETA: is the "illness" related to the fun she was having at the concert? maybe too much to drink, or possibly drug related.

Tuba
10-21-2009, 09:15 PM
The Moon Wobble is found right on her House of illness and is the zany, unstable energy that creates a woozy feeling. Since it is trine Neptune, certainly the reaction could be to a drink but also to an ibuprofen. Nothing was functioning normally as the wobble closed to exact.

The Mars individual in the parking lot next to the hall is not someone she knew. He means trouble, pure and distilled but at zero degrees is a total unknown, fresh to the scene. There were others around her who could have been a problem besides Mars, however. Like Saturn! Like the Sun in his fall in Libra.

nursebeeme
10-21-2009, 09:20 PM
Tuba, you are going to be busy here during this wobble moon...I just have a feeling... thank God you are there to help us thru it.. and show us some clarity to this increase in abberrant behavior.

petresq_algc
10-21-2009, 11:00 PM
Thank you for your wonderful work on Morgan's chart. Is there anything on the chart indicating whether or not she will be found or if there will be a quick resolution as far as LE finding the perp?

Tuba
10-22-2009, 05:12 PM
We know more today than we did earlier in the week. From various sources, it is now understood that Morgan Harrington was still outside the hall until 9:30 p.m. on Saturday, October 17. The earlier time has it own integrity as it is the time she left her group of friends but it is not the last seen as we now know it. I will prepare a new chart for the 9:30 time.

Her planets were broadly activated by the transits that night. Mars was on her Sun, Pluto on her Uranus and Neptune opposite her own Mars. This last is notorious for causing noxious effects from any chemical ingested, even prescribed medicine. She was indisposed and sought to find relief due to this opposition of Neptune to her Mars . Saturn at 28° Virgo was square her Jupiter at 28°II. Mercury was opposite her Moon~poor decisions and her Venus was trine the Uranus-Pluto noted above, drawing attention to her as an attractive target.

Here is the later chart: http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/MorganDisappears129.jpg

21merc7
10-23-2009, 09:11 AM
We know more today than we did earlier in the week. From various sources, it is now understood that Morgan Harrington was still outside the hall until 9:30 p.m. on Saturday, October 17. The earlier time has it own integrity as it is the time she left her group of friends but it is not the last seen as we now know it. I will prepare a new chart for the 9:30 time.

Her planets were broadly activated by the transits that night. Mars was on her Sun, Pluto on her Uranus and Neptune opposite her own Mars. This last is notorious for causing noxious effects from any chemical ingested, even prescribed medicine. She was indisposed and sought to find relief due to this opposition of Neptune to her Mars . Saturn at 28° Virgo was inconjunct her Jupiter at 28°II. Mercury was opposite her Moon~poor decisions and her Venus was trine the Uranus-Pluto noted above, drawing attention to her as an attractive target.

Here is the later chart: http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/MorganDisappears129.jpg

Tuba;

Do the 0 degrees on house 5 and 11 have any effect? (Still looking at the critical degrees, or trying to learn.) I do see that chiron is critical and part of fatality is not so happy to see either. (Sorry to interupt the charts.)

athy
10-23-2009, 10:16 AM
The Moon Wobble is found right on her House of illness and is the zany, unstable energy that creates a woozy feeling. Since it is trine Neptune, certainly the reaction could be to a drink but also to an ibuprofen. Nothing was functioning normally as the wobble closed to exact.

The Mars individual in the parking lot next to the hall is not someone she knew. He means trouble, pure and distilled but at zero degrees is a total unknown, fresh to the scene. There were others around her who could have been a problem besides Mars, however. Like Saturn! Like the Sun in his fall in Libra.

could this have been caused by someone slipping something in her drink?

i also wonder if they have a video of her when she was on the phone. its possible that someone was with her at that time and made her tell her friends she would find a ride. if she sounded upset her friend would have associated that with the fact she couldn't get back in...not that someone was with her.

Tuba
10-23-2009, 10:56 AM
As noted under the second chart, her judgment was not affected. She seemed lucid on the cell to her friends inside too. The Moon Wobble and the Mars-Neptune affliction were potent forces. Although someone could have given her ecstasy, that would not be necessary to make her sick on Saturday night. Aspartame could easily have done it.

The zero degrees on Houses 5 and 11 announce those areas of life were now altered, a new situation. She terminated her connection to the friends inside with the goodbye call and was now isolated, unprotected. I do use the critical degrees of cusps although not everyone would and here the 0° mean circumstances have become serious, even grave. We know there is a pitch now of frustration and stress, a self-created predicament. Exigency to make a different arrangement. And who sees this as an opportunity (60°) but Mars!

Mars in the first quadrant of any event horoscope means trouble coming up and there he is, skirting the edge of the parking area. We know he, Mars, is atop her natal Sun that night. Since Morgan had her purse, why was she without her entrance ticket? Why would she have given it to anyone inside or did she toss it? The chart shows no problem with the ticket at all. If Venus, who disposits Mercury of tickets, held onto them for the group, she should have met Morgan at the gate with it and that may be why Morgan was in a strop, Mars on her Sun.

jnTexas
10-23-2009, 12:14 PM
As noted under the second chart, her judgment was not affected. She seemed lucid on the cell to her friends inside too. The Moon Wobble and the Mars-Neptune affliction were potent forces. Although someone could have given her ecstasy, that would not be necessary to make her sick on Saturday night. Aspartame could easily have done it.

The zero degrees on Houses 5 and 11 announce those areas of life were now altered, a new situation. She terminated her connection to the friends inside with the goodbye call and was now isolated, unprotected. I do use the critical degrees of cusps although not everyone would and here the 0° mean circumstances have become serious, even grave. We know there is a pitch now of frustration and stress, a self-created predicament. Exigency to make a different arangement. And who sees this as an opportunity (60°) but Mars!

Mars in the first quadrant of any event horoscope means trouble coming up and there he is, skirting the edge of the parking area. We know he, Mars, is atop her natal Sun that night. Since Morgan had her purse, why was she without her entrance ticket? Why would she have given it to anyone inside or did she toss it? The chart shows no problem with the ticket at all. If Venus, who disposits Mercury of tickets, held onto them for the group, she should have met Morgan at the gate with it and that may be why Morgan was in a strop, Mars on her Sun.

Tuba,

Events like this do not allow for re-entry to the arena once you go out. they are very strict on that to keep people from sharing a ticket. So once she went out if she wanted back in she would've had to buy a new ticket. They said there were signs posted as you leave (no RE-ENTRY). I know they have them on our arena doors as you walk out. Hope this helps.

Tuba
10-23-2009, 12:39 PM
It does. Thank you.

Tuba
10-24-2009, 01:04 PM
Any time you see II on the Ascendant of either an event chart or horary, the Part of Peril conjoins the rising degree. II was rising when Morgan left her friends and exited the building but there was not a planet afflicting the ASC and the Part of Peril.

By the time she ended communication at 9:30 p.m., Uranus in Pisces, ruling H. 9 and 10 was square the Part of Fortune and the Ascendant and Part of Peril. There was a sudden and unexpected spring from out of the intercept, Uranus challenging her. This would be the moment when the purse and cell phone were wrenched from her.

The Part of Fortune, which had been at the ASC both when she went out and when she said goodbye, gave her the sense that she could take care of herself. It gave her confidence in her own resourcefulness.

When one Sign appears on two cusps as Leo does here (as well as Aquarius), the two Houses should be read together. Transport and vehicles, House 3 are therefore contributors or producers of the final outcome, House 4. The ruler of House 8 is hidden in Virgo, concealed in the House of endings.

Tuba
10-25-2009, 02:18 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/MorganComparedtotheNight130.jpg

Here is the horoscope for October 17, 2009 with what are called the "accidental cusps" of 9:30 p.m. at Charlottesville, VA. They are called accidental because they just happened to be located at these positions when all resources lost Morgan~no more surveillance video, no more cell phone calls. So these cusps mark the moment with its special identity of time and place and within the wheel, I have inserted Morgan's birth planets so you can see how those planets inter-relate to the happenings and atmosphere of the night. This gives the dynamic between the subject, Morgan, and what surrounded her and how that affected her.

Remember, Saturn ruled the day, Saturday and Saturn also ruled the hour, so the 150° aspect, a quincunx or inconjunct between Mercury Significator of II rising and Saturn, ruler of House 8 is a focus. As well as death, House 8 rules very grave illness. The House ruler of ordinary illness, 6, is also in 150° aspect to Morgan's Sun. You will see that Mars outside the wheel as a transit was atop her Sun. Transit Saturn was exactly square Morgan's Jupiter in House 1.

Tuba
10-28-2009, 10:49 AM
petresque is wondering if the man responsible for Morgan's disappearance will be apprehended before long. Hope that this will come to pass is well founded because the Scorpio Sun and transit Mercury are making his life turbulent and full of traps right now. As has been signaled here at Astro Forum, Saturn leaves Virgo to enter Libra tomorrow. Saturn will immediately form a sextile (60°) to his significator, Mars at 0° Leo from the concert. He will see this as an opportunity to make a few changes in his associations but that will provide the occasion to nab him. Saturn will not be idling at 0° but instead is square Pluto. What he mistakes for fresh air and room to move only proves instead that there was no way out of his predicament.

FifthEssence
10-28-2009, 11:24 AM
copied from Missing Persons Forum

posted by PART TIME PROF:
Detailed timeline from press conference 10/28/09 10:45am

As I am listening to this live, here is the gist:

Between 8:20 and 8:30 someone matching MH's description was confirmed on the exterior of JPJ at several locations, most likely in the area where you would enter or purchase tickets or on the side of the building where you would face University Hall.

From 8:30 to 8:48 we are confident that she was outside.

At 8:48 she did have a phone conversation initiated by her friend which confirms she was outside and they offered suggestions on ways to get in. At that point she said she would try to get a ride home from friends in Charlottesville.
From 8:48 to about 9:00 we have witnesses who say someone matching her description was on the outside. We currently have no credible information that she re-entered the arena.

From 9:00 to about 9:10 p.m. she was seen walking with a black purse through the University Hall parking area. While she was walking no one can confirm that she was with anyone, but she was around other people who were in the vicinity walking in the same direction.

Between 9:10 and 9:20 we can confirm that someone matching M.H.'s description was in the Lannigan (?) Field parking area.

At 9:20, the individuals who encountered M.H. in the Lannigan Field parking area left in vehicles. Currently, there is no information that she left with them. We believe that there are other people in the vicinity either parking or on foot who should have seen M.H. and we need them to step forward.

At 9:30 (approx.) someone fitting M.H.'s description was seen on the Copeley Street bridge near Ivy Road. The last confirmed sighting of someone matching her description was at that location.

The purse was black and had two straps so it could be worn as a backpack. She had it when walking through the parking lot near U Hall. The purse was found in the Lannigan Field parking lot, overflow parking for events and for R.V.s, adjacent to the Copeley Street bridge, near the railroad tracks and a heavily traveled area.

Again, a plea for anyone who might have seen anything after 9:30 to come forward.

ETA:TIMELINE NEWS LINK:http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11398011

dreamweaver
10-28-2009, 12:49 PM
I have read over the charts several times.
And while the news does not look good, I had a question.

1. Morgan left the concert because she was feeling ill.
Did Morgan continue to feel ill and that caused her death?
Or did someone see her being ill and 'tried' to help her?
And that person caused her death?
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As well as death, House 8 rules very grave illness. The House ruler of ordinary illness, 6, is also in 150° aspect to Morgan's Sun

Soulscape
10-28-2009, 04:08 PM
Last Seen ASCENDANT = 21 Gemini, ruled by MERCURY 12:26 Libra. I assign Lord 1 MERCURY to Morgan and the perp to the 7th House (Sagittarius) ruled by JUPITER 17:12 Aquarius.




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MERCURY (Morgan) makes no aspects except an applying trine to JUPITER (Perp). I note MERCURY is 34 minutes from critical (13 cardinal), so she is in an unstable frame of mind.

PLUTO of complications is posited in the Perp's 1st House (radix 7th) with JUPITER, the Perp's significator, applying semisquare to that PLUTO of complications.

The Perp's 5th House of Actions Taken (radix 11th) 00 Aries ruled by MARS, here posited at 00 Leo, is in Morgan's 2nd House of the Near Future, so she is about to run into him. As Tuba pointed out, this MARS is sitting on Morgan's natal SUN 01 Leo, a serious affliction.

MARS, signifying actions taken by the Perp, is inconjunct PLUTO suggesting complications (PLUTO) resulting from violence (MARS). MARS the actions applies square to CERES 02 Scorpio suggesting kidnapping with a sexual (Scorpio) component. The PLUTO/CERES midpoint at 01 Sagittarius trines MARS the actions of the Perp. MARS and the PLUTO/CERES midpoint trines the Part of Death 01 Aries (grand fire trine), suggesting swift, impulsive action resulting in kidnapping and death.

Because MERCURY (Morgan) applies 4+ degrees to JUPITER the perp, the chart shows she will soon meet up with him. JUPITER in Aquarius in the radix 9th House is a stranger, a weirdo, a loner. With JUPITER disposited by URANUS in Pisces, it is likely he is unstable and possibly under the influence of drugs/alcohol. JUPITER gives a person in the 35-42 year range and because of the Pisces influence (deception) this person may appear either younger or older than his chronological age.

At the time the chart is cast, it is a SATURN Day and SATURN Hour. SATURN rules the 8th House of Death and is posited in the End of the Matter 4th House. This gives chilling testimony for a bad ending. In 14 minutes from the time the chart is cast, the Hour Ruler changes to JUPITER and because JUPITER rules the Perp, it is during this hour that she meets up with the perp and is taken.

The Antiscion of JUPITER the Perp is 12 Scorpio (sex/death) which is exactly conjunct the chart's VERTEX (fated encounters). JUPITER the Perp 17 Aquarius squares his own Antiscion and the VERTEX giving the same testimony as MERCURY (Morgan) trine JUPITER - i.e., she is fated to meet up with this individual. SUN & MOON closely square the NODES, gives another indication of fated encounters. The Part of FATALITY itself, 24 Taurus, partile inconjuncts the SUN, still another dire testimony.

Speaking of the SUN, here we see MOON conj. SUN approaching New Moon, which in Horary is a highly malefic influence foreboding harm. Both SUN and MOON are posited in the 5th House of Entertainment & Pleasure (the concert venue) and the crisis is based on something that happens in the parking lot because Leo rules 3rd House. The crisis concerns murder because the MOON is in the horrific 'kill or be killed' 22nd degree. In addition to forming the malefic New Moon position, SUN & MOON are in the Via Combusta (Burning Way), another indicator of severe crisis. MERCURY (Morgan) herself is under the Sun Beams and as mentioned above, 34 minutes from critical (13 cardinal) showing instability and inability to make good decisions.

SUN is Lord 4 End of the Matter and is in Fall square MARS the Perp's actions. Both SUN & MOON inconjunct URANUS, dispositor of JUPITER the Perp. The inconjunct is a death aspect. The SUN and MOON trine NEPTUNE of disappearance.

The MARS/PLUTO (rape/violence/murder) midpoint 15:50 Libra is close opposed Morgan's natal (sunrise) MOON 16 Aries.

The MARS/SATURN (cruelty, brutality) midpoint 29:41 Leo is just inside the End of the Matter 4th House cusp.

The Last Seen NODES 25 Capricorn/Cancer are in the same degree as Morgan's Secondary Progressed NODES and Event CHIRON (wounding, harm) close opposes Morgan's Secondary Progressed SUN 20 Leo while Event JUPITER (the Perp) partile opposes Morgan's Secondary Progressed ASCENDANT 17 Leo. Event chart SUN 24 Libra close squares Morgan's natal and SP NODES and NEPTUNE, often prominent in death charts close conjuncts them.




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Unfortunately, chart testimonies do not give much hope for finding Morgan alive and well.



Sadly,
Soulscape



ETA: added charts and additional comment regarding Part of FATALITY.

Money Girl
10-28-2009, 06:43 PM
Soulscape,
Where should the searchers look for Morgan?

Thank you.

Soulscape
10-28-2009, 08:16 PM
Soulscape,
Where should the searchers look for Morgan?

Thank you.


Determining where the body is located is often extremely difficult.

Using Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson's approach, the body would be NORTH NORTH WEST of place of Last Seen, possibly up to 20 miles away, at a higher elevation (hillsides, mountain meadows, near trees, hunting areas, detached buildings in clean or barren gravel fields) --- but possibly at ground level (in a higher elevation) because SATURN (significator of corpses), the traditional Part of DEATH, and the Part of FIND are all in Virgo, an Earth sign. SATURN, DEATH and FIND are intercepted, thus she is hidden and harder to find.

Another approach* suggests we look at PLUTO (planet of transformation) in energetic combination with SATURN (corpses) and the significator of the Missing Person to ascertain probable mileage.

I have added another experimental twist by also considering the Parts of FIND and DEATH.

In this chart, PLUTO 01 Capricorn squares SATURN (corpse) and VENUS (general significator of a young girl), and even (very widely) squares MERCURY (Morgan). Additionally, PLUTO widely trines traditional Part of Death 10 Virgo and Part of Find 8 Virgo and partile squares DEATH2 01 Aries. This suggests anywheres from 0 to 27 miles to me...

This is purely speculative. I need to find the time to thoroughly examine Last Seen charts in relation to Find charts in the hopes of uncovering a method that works more often than it doesn't.

Thanks,
Soulscape

*a combination of astrologer Renee Francis's laying the chart on a land map and astrologer Beth Turnage's experimental work with Renee's method.

Toi
10-28-2009, 09:12 PM
Wow tks so Soulscape!!!

arielilane
10-28-2009, 10:20 PM
Thank you all for the work you do.

Hoosll
10-29-2009, 10:19 PM
If it makes any difference, I believe that MH was born in Charlottesville, not Roanoke ....

Amanda
10-30-2009, 12:37 AM
Why did Morgan leave the building? They said tonight on Nancy Grace that Morgan was last seen on a bridge near the parking lot of the arena.. http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/article/TECH29_20091028-222809/302282/

Zoe Bogart
10-30-2009, 03:14 AM
I hadn't heard much about this case, too much other stuff on my mind, but someone asked for my 2 cents, so I've been reading and reading, and am now totally confused. Can someone tell me if Morgan drove her car to the arena or was she a passenger in a friend's car? There are so many conflicting stories! I've read through the first thread on this, and skimmed the second one, and just made myself sick trying to look over thread #3 of the main threads. Even the related articles conflict.

Tuba and Soulscape, thanks for the chilling chart readings. I was able to give my friend the gist of what she wanted to know just from reading your posts. The astrology part is easy, going through the long chatty threads in the regular forum is work.

Thanks to all for your wonderful, insightful knowledge.

Toi
10-30-2009, 11:54 AM
Aksleuth you had asked if she had taken her car or went with her friends. I saw her dad doing an interview on NG and he stated that she had rode with her friends there and that her car was at her apartment.

Tuba
10-30-2009, 11:57 AM
Dr. Harrington says in his appearance on Nancy Grace that Morgan drove her car as far as the first stop on the itinerary and then the friends piled into another car to make the last leg. She did not have her car at U.VA nor did she have the stub from her ticket to Metallica, required for re-entry according to reports.

Soulscape
10-30-2009, 12:04 PM
If it makes any difference, I believe that MH was born in Charlottesville, not Roanoke ....

It would not make much difference. Actually, although I will use a place of birth if provided, I have found that relocating charts to the location of the incident works well in forensic astrology.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Knox
10-30-2009, 12:36 PM
Determining where the body is located is often extremely difficult.

Using Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson's approach, the body would be NORTH NORTH WEST of place of Last Seen, possibly up to 20 miles away, at a higher elevation (hillsides, mountain meadows, near trees, hunting areas, detached buildings in clean or barren gravel fields) --- but possibly at ground level (in a higher elevation) because SATURN (significator of corpses), the traditional Part of DEATH, and the Part of FIND are all in Virgo, an Earth sign. SATURN, DEATH and FIND are intercepted, thus she is hidden and harder to find.

Another approach* suggests we look at PLUTO (planet of transformation) in energetic combination with SATURN (corpses) and the significator of the Missing Person to ascertain probable mileage.

I have added another experimental twist by also considering the Parts of FIND and DEATH.

In this chart, PLUTO 01 Capricorn squares SATURN (corpse) and VENUS (general significator of a young girl), and even (very widely) squares MERCURY (Morgan). Additionally, PLUTO widely trines traditional Part of Death 10 Virgo and Part of Find 8 Virgo and partile squares DEATH2 01 Aries. This suggests anywheres from 0 to 27 miles to me...

This is purely speculative. I need to find the time to thoroughly examine Last Seen charts in relation to Find charts in the hopes of uncovering a method that works more often than it doesn't.

Thanks,
Soulscape

*a combination of astrologer Renee Francis's laying the chart on a land map and astrologer Beth Turnage's experimental work with Renee's method.

When you have time Soulscape; I am interested in learning what you see for a potential location (in addition to the already stated).

Zoe Bogart
10-30-2009, 03:32 PM
Thanks about the info on the car. By the time I finished reading sometime in the wee hours of this morning, my head was spinning. As with other missing persons cases, there seems to be a lot of information not being shared by the people connected to the missing person - the friends seem to be holding something back and the parents only want the world to believe their daughter was a saint, all to protect themselves. Lots of missing pieces here.

Why would these friends leave without her and not notify someone that she was unable to be contacted? Did the charts mention any of this? All of this aside, it definitely looks like a stranger abduction. Thanks for your brilliant insight, Astrologers.

Tuba
10-30-2009, 04:37 PM
Not just at Websleuths but in all blogs on this missing person's case, there are questions about why the friends behaved the way they did that night. Under the 9:30 p.m. chart, the first paragraph pertains to the secrecy shown by the intercepts in the Fourth and Tenth Houses. Are these Houses important to your investigation? Very important. Saturn rules the day and the hour and Saturn is found intercepted in H. 4. Saturn rules House 8 and remember, Saturn of this event is exactly square Morgan's own natal Jupiter. Saturn is also quincunx or inconjunct Morgan's own natal Node: her associations, the groups she runs with. So we know there are family secrets, H. 4 and we know the authorities, H. 10, are not laying everything out for public consumption.

The friends, H. 11, appear as rude, inconsiderate and in tension with Morgan but the chart does not expose the friends as withholding information. Now they may be concealing some facts or conversation but it is not apparent in the event horoscope for 8:40 or 9:30.

The car issue is an important one and law enforcement and Dr. Harrington are putting out contradictory information about which car was in the parking lot at the arena. They need to get this sorted last weekend.

jnTexas
10-30-2009, 04:59 PM
Tuba or Soulscape,

Does the chart show if she will be found?

kant
10-30-2009, 06:37 PM
Not just at Websleuths but in all blogs on this missing person's case, there are questions about why the friends behaved the way they did that night. Under the 9:30 p.m. chart, the first paragraph pertains to the secrecy shown by the intercepts in the Fourth and Tenth Houses. Are these Houses important to your investigation? Very important. Saturn rules the day and the hour and Saturn is found intercepted in H. 4. Saturn rules House 8 and remember, Saturn of this event is exactly square Morgan's own natal Jupiter. Saturn is also quincunx or inconjunct Morgan's own natal Node: her associations, the groups she runs with. So we know there are family secrets, H. 4 and we know the authorities, H. 10, are not laying everything out for public consumption.

The friends, H. 11, appear as rude, inconsiderate and in tension with Morgan but the chart does not expose the friends as withholding information. Now they may be concealing some facts or conversation but it is not apparent in the event horoscope for 8:40 or 9:30.

The car issue is an important one and law enforcement and Dr. Harrington are putting out contradictory information about which car was in the parking lot at the arena. They need to get this sorted last weekend.
Thanks all of you.

I dont know beans about this and some of the lingo shoots right over my head like Im reading Greek, but it is so very fascinating.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but is there any way to expound on some of this? Like what family secrets? The reason I ask, is that it may speak to intent or state of mind perhaps? Even if she didnt' HAVE to hide any particular thing, she could have felt as tho she had to (?) If that makes any sense? IDK.

Also, something about the friends is bothering me and I have no great reason to think that beyond generalizations and assumptions. Anything else you guys can glean about the friends?

tia

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kant
10-30-2009, 06:44 PM
Any time you see II on the Ascendant of either an event chart or horary, the Part of Peril conjoins the rising degree. II was rising when Morgan left her friends and exited the building but there was not a planet afflicting the ASC and the Part of Peril.

By the time she ended communication at 9:30 p.m., Uranus in Pisces, ruling H. 9 and 10 was square the Part of Fortune and the Ascendant and Part of Peril. There was a sudden and unexpected spring from out of the intercept, Uranus challenging her. This would be the moment when the purse and cell phone were wrenched from her.

The Part of Fortune, which had been at the ASC both when she went out and when she said goodbye, gave her the sense that she could take care of herself. It gave her confidence in her own resourcefulness.

When one Sign appears on two cusps as Leo does here (as well as Aquarius), the two Houses should be read together. Transport and vehicles, House 3 are therefore contributors or producers of the final outcome, House 4. The ruler of House 8 is hidden in Virgo, concealed in the House of endings.

This makes me sound nutbar, but is there anything to suggest the possibility that she didn't make it to the arena?

tia
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Tuba
10-30-2009, 07:21 PM
The event chart is really geared to what went on while she was locked out of the arena and then disappeared. Therefore, House 4 serves mainly to depict conditions at the end of this adventure, whereas in a natal horoscope, House 4 is ones family and home setting (household & real property). Morgan's natal planets line up so that her Pluto in Scorpio is stationary direct in House 4. This is a powerful force in her family life and does denote once again, family secrets. These could be limited to the unusual codes used to communicate. Scorpio always means complications and Pluto is the coding or secrecy.

It really is not possible that Morgan never arrived at the arena because those other than members in her small party saw and even talked to her briefly. Since she is very tight with these long time friends, the conduct on both sides October 17 is passing strange. If the man at the gate told her she could not be readmitted without her ticket stub, as reported, why didn't one of her friends meet her with it?

We now know that a young woman meeting Morgan's description was seen crossing Copley Bridge. Bridges come under House 3 and the planets Saturn, Neptune & Pluto. We already knew that House 3 is allied to the final outcome, House 4 because Leo is on both Houses. Pluto the night of October 17 was exactly inconjunct the violence that occurred, Mars at the cusp of House 3, so there we have implication two ways of the bridge again.

Tuba
10-30-2009, 07:31 PM
kant, if your discomfort about the friends gels, please share your generalizations and assumptions with us.

Zoe Bogart
10-31-2009, 12:36 AM
Thank you so much, Tuba. It's not my business to know their family secrets so I wasn't asking out of deep curiosity. No, my questions were along the lines of a proper investigation. I do feel secrets are being kept all the way around. Maybe the family wants to appear a certain way, so they aren't truly forthcoming. The friends don't want to get into trouble, so they are eliminating key facts. That sort of thing. I've been watching these cases long enough to know when the people surrounding the case aren't being truthful.

Honestly, I'm baffled how anyone, especially people so close to a missing person, aren't doing all they can to help find their missing loved one. The charts show how secrets are being swept under the rug and the rug nailed down. You'd think her family would be forthcoming with any little clue that could show her state of mind, anything. There are just too many conflicting "facts" and I do believe which car was used is very important, it could be a clue.

Why would she wander away from the arena? Why leave the car if it was hers? Why expect to catch a ride when her ride was already setting in the parking lot whether it be her car or a friend's car? Did she and the driver have a tiff, thus she left the arena in a huff?

Too many unanswered questions. At least the charts let us know our questions are valid.

Something's just not right.

kant
10-31-2009, 02:26 AM
IDK... some things just bother me and i cant solidly support the reasoning so I feel like a moron.

I'm finding it difficult to believe that she was outside by accident. Iow she deliberately went out, but I dont' know why she did or even really why I think that.

The box office was closed IIRC so buying another ticket - which was the only way back in - was not an option unless she went scalper; and scalpers are normally gone after the show starts and they generally leave if it's rainy. (per the locals who have been there)

It's been said that her car was at the venue. Even if it was the friend's car she had a sure thing - a ride "home" or back to JMU as the case was. Some time had already passed, so why venture out in heels, no coat, alone, in the cold, in the rain (light rain but still rain) on foot AWAY from the arena when all she had to do was either ask for the door key to the car to sit in it, or wait a bit til the friends came out and then go back with whom she came?

Also if she wandered outside accidently and found herself barred re-entry, SHE would initiate the call to the friend inside imo. ("OMG Im locked out!") The friend made the call.

Also, why did the friend kiss her (as in kiss goodbye?) if she were only going to the freakin bathroom (or for a ciggy?) WHO DOES THAT?

Also why initiate a spoken call if there is a text option in a loud venue in which it's difficult to hear?

Why call her dad from JMU (the completed first leg of the drive) to say she arrived safely, but she doesn't call him to say she made the second leg of the trip to C'ville (JPJ arena?)

Why say to the friend (supoposedly) "I'll meet you at the car OR I'll get a ride home"? That doesn't even make any sense b/c with no further confirmation that doesn't tell the friends what the heck is going on and they don't bother to ASK?

and if they were so sure she "had a ride" WHY WAIT AT ALL?

Why dont the friends have her paged on the PA system at the JPJ arena after the concert as they are "waiting a significant amount of time" for her in the parking lot before they LEAVE HER? (b/c they know she is not there?)

They are out of town - not down the street from home, for cryin out loud.

We cant get a straight answer as to WHOSE car was driven to the arena from JMU.

It's been said that there were four concert-goers in their group that included Morgan, Amy (Morgan's roommate) Sarah, (one of the nine friends in the school friend girl group) and one anonymous dude who is the boyfriend of none of the 3 girls that went to the concert, but the bf of some other girl.... and he has conspicuously remained nameless ? WHY? is he minor? WHAT?

The "witness" who saw them in the parking lot did NOT mention a male. (and his sighting of the girl group was reported BEFORE the male was mentioned publicly as being part of the concert -going group) (sorry to be snarky but... how convenient?)

the girls did not even call or show concern the next day. It was Morgan's dad who reported her missing on sunday afternoon.

There are no shots or glimpses of Morgan on any entrance or exit security tapes ANYWHERE? in the arena? anywhere en route to the arena?

even no bathroom breaks, gas, food, drink breaks on the route into C'ville? NOTHING?

No cell phone or camera shots of the friends on their big day out? not so much at/during the concert b/c maybe the lighting was bad for photos (altho it looked fairly bright in the videos) but not even any candid shots on the drive in?

I could go on....

kant
10-31-2009, 02:33 AM
I wasn't trying to be nosy about the family secrets; the reason I asked is b/c I wondered if it speaks to her frame of mind or contributed to her choices that night... like was she compelled to do something (relathionshhip? rendevous? is someone married? IDK)IS it something that she felt she couldn't risk in her own town at her apt? (She lives some 30 mins drive from her parents' home. But her roommate would likely be aware of her every move at home) IDK... Im not trying to disparage her. I just get ths gut feeling that something compelling drew her deliberately OUTSIDE the arena... (if she were even there) Her phone and purse were there... but.... IDK...

FifthEssence
10-31-2009, 02:35 AM
INJURY TO MORGAN's CHIN inside arena
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/10/30/unexplained-injury-and-tips-flood-in-but-still-no-morgan-harrington/
http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/224441


Morgan Harrington, the young woman who disappeared during the October 17 Metallica concert, received a facial injury before she left the John Paul Jones Arena, according to multiple sources.

“It was a minor injury,” says Virginia State Police spokesperson Corinne Geller. She explains that police chose initially not to release the detail because the injury was “consistent with what someone would suffer from slipping and falling, not with any kind of assault.”

Chromedaffodils
10-31-2009, 04:45 AM
May I please ask for directions to the latest forum for Morgan, the one I was reading, well I went to post and it is closed, yet I am not finding a new one. Please excuse me for posting here out of order, I am lost. thank you kindly ;)

Liz
10-31-2009, 04:59 AM
Hi Chromedaffodils -

You can find Morgan's thread listed under the Missing category, in the Missing / Located Discussion Forum.

Here is a direct link to Morgan's thread:
VA-Morgan Dana Harrington, 20 Charlottesville #4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

:)

Chromedaffodils
10-31-2009, 05:08 AM
Hi Chromedaffodils -

You can find Morgan's thread listed under the Missing category, in the Missing / Located Discussion Forum.

Here is a direct link to Morgan's thread:
VA-Morgan Dana Harrington, 20 Charlottesville #4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90953)

:)
Thank you so much! :0)

Tuba
10-31-2009, 02:31 PM
kant, I think your questions and puzzlement give voice to what many WS are thinking and wondering. Thank you for sharing that. The report to police by a grandmother providing rides for her family also interests me~witnessing a struggle between someone she identifies as Morgan with a young man. Since this witness saw him go off toward the road, he may have waited only to bushwhack Morgan later.

Like Nancy Grace, I've found the location of the purse and phone disconcerting since Morgan supposedly used the Copley bridge further on. Maybe she was met on the bridge and then went back to the grounds where a struggle resumed as was suggested on the program October 29.

The planets of the night add this much to Morgan's state of mind. She was born with Mars in Fire, Moon in Fire and Sun in Fire so she reaches flash point quickly. On the 17th of October, transit Mars overhead was atop her Sun. This transit did add to her excitement about Metallica but she was combustible. Yet the Mercury which ruled our subject, Morgan, was "under the Sunbeams" and thus stuffing her feelings, averse to alienating her friends. (See House 5) From what we have read and heard, she chose to scorch this one and that one outside the arena instead. She really was not in a position to take on these strangers.

theforgotten
10-31-2009, 02:57 PM
Thank you for doing Morgan's chart. This case is driving me crazy. There's so much info that we're missing. I really think that there had to be something harmful going on in her life. I'm sorry, but those friends shouldn't have let her leave that arena or they should have went with her.:twocents: I really hope they find her soon.

Tuba
10-31-2009, 04:00 PM
I completely agree, theforgotten. My very strong sense is that if the situation had been reversed, she would not have passively left her long time friend chilling outside--No WAY!

We really do need to get the straight wire on whose car was parked at the arena. It is important in understanding what happened next. I am amazed that Dr. Harrington and the police have two statements at odds on this car. It is possible that Morgan's father believes one of the friends as to Morgan's car and its delivery back to Blacksburg when the police know that is an untruth. Let's find out!

kant
10-31-2009, 06:59 PM
Also we dont know if she was even on the bridge for sure do we?

And OK, let's say she was on the bridge, she could have been on the bridge WITH her purse. We dont know that the purse was separated from her before she got to hte bridge just b/c it appears that way linear-ly. (is that a word?) Could she have had her purse, gone past the bridge to x place, been nabbed, separated from purse, other peson rifled thru the purse? placing it at RV lot and yet a different person turns it in? IDK>

Were there any RVs there that night? Could she have intentionally tossed her purse as a flag of, "Im not going of my own free will" clue?

IDK. I sound like a nutjob now.

Yet, somehow I doubt the bridge sighting. I just cant buy it; but i cant put my finger on why. I wish we knew if the person claiming to have seen her on the bridge saw her driving past her ? coming from behind her? Facing her? which side of the road? Some poster put up a shot of the bridge on a rainy dark-ish night and it is DARK... and foreboding. and she was wearing all black. How great a look does one GET in those conditions such as to be able to say unequivocally "Yes i saw HER and for sure it was HER and not someone who just looked like her?"

No coat? (her mom would have surely included a coat in that detailed physical description she gave?) in heels, in the cold.. and rain? walking AWAY? wha?

And upon being barred re-entry the friend could have brought her the freakin car keys or DOOR key at least to her car, or whoever's car, for her to sit in locked car and wait it out. She didn't want the keys imo for some reason. WHY?

Did some phony dude use a band meet-and-greet as a lure? (as in "Sorry babe - just you not your friends...and we have to go around the back") and are there woods back there?

Is there a paramour she contacts by internet? There are ways to get really cozy with the PC "phone" calls that do not show up on a phone bill as long disatnce. There are web cams. IDK. Is her roomy a person with little discretion i e a yapper?

Something compelling got her to go outside imo. and it was something that she couldn't (or felt she couldn't ) carry out/engage in at or around her apt... for whatever reason . (?) Wow i do sound like a nutjob.

If there's a "person" ie rendevous - did the person not show up?

Did they get their wires crossed?

Did a mal-intentioned interloper intervene?

Or was it that the person DID show up and there's the problem; something went terribly wrong? He wasn't who she thought he was?

ALSO>>

She had put it on FACEBOOK (metallica concert-goers etc) that she was going to that concert at that town on that night. That disturbs me. 217 strangers who classify themselves as "concert-goers" knew she would be there; And an additional 194 strangers who classify themselves as "wanted to go" knew she would be there (even tho they are claiming they are unable to go; they can still see the page and that SHE is going) and maybe more - whoever can access that page can see that she was going to that concert that night. (unless I have completely misundrstood, that's how I see/read these pages.)

So she was (inadvertently) telegraphing her moves... to strangers

Not trying to lay blame - just sharing the info FWIW; And she also had a GORGEOUS - and I do mean GORGEOUS - pic of herself at the FB site in which she said she would be at that venue that night.


http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/10/21/image5405608.jpg

YIKES

OR heck did she even make it to Cville? Yes her phone made it, but....

kant
10-31-2009, 07:22 PM
FWIW (if anything) here are the links to the FaceBook pages for "Concert-goers"

page two (where she is shown)

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy60/mark0001/Screenshot-10_31_20095_42_33PM.jpg


page one (where other presumed concert-goers who responded are also shown etc)

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy60/mark0001/Screenshot-10_31_20095_42_07PM.jpg

.


PS the readings you guys do are errie and uncanny. kudos... very interesting.


Also>> - fwiw if anything..

Her dad revealed in an interview yesterday (i believe it was) that on that night of Oct 17 (the night she went missing) she had "texted a gentleman" who is "from out of the area - not local.. " and "...is not a suspect at this time."


FWIW

salvarenga
10-31-2009, 07:53 PM
Kant-

Your statement about leaving the purse behind as a clue that she did not go willingly makes sense to me because having been a crime victim myself I can tell you that in my situation that is EXACTLY what I did. I am survivor or kidnap and rape and when I realized I was being taken and knew what danger I was in my first thought was what kind of sign can I leave that I didn't just walk away and that something BAD has happened. I haven't read all the details on the purse. Was is torn like there may have been a struggle?

kant
10-31-2009, 08:27 PM
Kant-

Your statement about leaving the purse behind as a clue that she did not go willingly makes sense to me because having been a crime victim myself I can tell you that in my situation that is EXACTLY what I did. I am survivor or kidnap and rape and when I realized I was being taken and knew what danger I was in my first thought was what kind of sign can I leave that I didn't just walk away and that something BAD has happened. I haven't read all the details on the purse. Was is torn like there may have been a struggle?OMG so glad you are here. That is terrible. SO glad you survived that horror.

kant
10-31-2009, 08:29 PM
Also just adding this tidbit in case it matters....

She apparently wasn't clueless about the world and safety, at least to a degree. A clueless person doesn't call her dad (at 2 PM was it?) to say they safely made it to JMU. She called her dad from JMU (the first leg of the trip) to say that she arrived there safely.

As far as driving time - it's not that far to C'ville and the arena is it from JMU, I mean. (is it?) Did they dally around at JMU? visiting? what? who? (Or is it that Im off about the 2 PM dad call time?)

(Sidenote: She did not call dad from C'ville to say she/they made it to C'ville (the second leg of the trip, fwiw.) (Or at least not that we've been told)

I know everyone is different; I get that. But imo if I were going to call someone to say I made it safely to XYZ place and there were two legs of a trip to be traversed, AND if I were going to call only once after one leg of the trip, it'd be at the end... at the final destination - not the halfway mark for cryin out loud. Why call when you're halfway there and then NOT call when you arrived at where you ultimately wanted to be? I can see how it makes sense to call from BOTH spots. But that's not what happened that we know of. Calling at the halfway point and not from the final destination is just odd to me.

theforgotten
10-31-2009, 08:29 PM
ALSO>>

She had put it on FACEBOOK (metallica concert-goers etc) that she was going to that concert at that town on that night. That disturbs me. 217 strangers who classify themselves as "concert-goers" knew she would be there; And an additional 194 strangers who classify themselves as "wanted to go" knew she would be there (even tho they are claiming they are unable to go; they can still see the page and that SHE is going) and maybe more - whoever can access that page can see that she was going to that concert that night. (unless I have completely misundrstood, that's how I see/read these pages.)




This makes me think that she was really excited and really wanted to be at that concert. So, if she left that arena, it's not because she wanted to.

Soulscape
10-31-2009, 08:39 PM
Tuba or Soulscape,

Does the chart show if she will be found?


Her significator MERCURY in the Last Seen Chart is located in a succedent house, cardinal sign. (Traditional) Part of Death, as well as the Part of Find, are both located in Virgo which is intercepted in the radix 4th House End of the Matter, showing she is hidden. These placements suggest she will be harder to find, but ultimately findable. See my posts #17 and #19 on page 1 of this thread.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
10-31-2009, 08:43 PM
It makes slightly more sense if she did not drive the second leg of the trip. In the event chart for Morgan falling off radar at 9:30 p.m., what is showing regarding the trip to Charlottesville is that it required coordination and that this was accomplished without incident, Moon last over Mercury unafflicted. I leave it to you whether more coordination is required in simply picking someone up or in switching cars and drivers. We should not be in the position of wondering whose car went to U.VA. That is a simple & basic no-nonsense fact, either Morgan's car or the car of a friend. Instead, we are dealing with nonsense.

Zoe Bogart
11-01-2009, 12:03 AM
In all the excitement of attending the concert and the hustle to get inside the arena through the crowd, she could have forgotten to call Daddy to say they arrived safely. However, do to the lack of concrete information from the friends, I'm thinking there was much more to the story than mere forgetfulness.

The purse is bothersome. Sure, as salvarena said, she could have thrown it aside as a clue that she didn't go willingly, but the phone had its battery removed. Weren't the purse and the phone together? I can see an abductor removing the battery but would there be time for him to give the empty phone back to her? Why? In that type of situation, it seems a waste of precious time. Of course, tossing the battery one way and the phone another would be leaving clues, wouldn't it? Wouldn't the phone have finger prints on it inside that purse? Have they mentioned that?

Why is no one certain which car was at the event? Either the friends are lying or they're not. They should know whose car they were in. This is extremely bothersome.

Then there is the mysterious injury on Morgan.

The more we know, the less it makes sense. :banghead:

kant, your wonderings are valid and you don't sound like a nutjob, in fact, your thoughts make more sense than what we are being told from anyone involved with Morgan.

If it weren't for the few "sightings" of her at the arena, I'd wonder if she actually got there in the first place.

salvarenga
11-01-2009, 12:07 AM
Soulscape -

Your post (if I understand it correctly) states that she is located NNW from her last seen point and that she is 0-27 miles from there. You state that the perp encountered her 14 minutes later. Once the perp has encountered her, can you tell how long after that she met her demise? I ask because depending on the amount of time it took for her death could also, in my opinion, help determine how far away she is. For example, if it were very quickly after the encounter, I would think she would be closer to where she was last seen. Hope that makes sense.

salvarenga
11-01-2009, 12:12 AM
The whole thing with taking the battery out of the cell phone intrigues me. To me that points to someone who knew what they were doing...someone who knew as long as the phone were on it might be able to be tracked. Has the model of the cellphone been given? I would be curious to know if it also had a sim card and if that sim card was still in it.

Do the charts indicate what type of job this person might have and if this was their first offense?

FifthEssence
11-01-2009, 12:27 AM
respectfully shortened
I have been having dreams about morgan all week. Don't know if it means anything but the word ravine came to me.

We can appreciate your thoughts.
I suggest you post 'dream type' writings out in the main Missing Persons Forum. Here is the LINK to Morgan's current thread out there.
LINK: VA-Morgan Dana Harrington, 20 Charlottesville #4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community



This is an ASTROLOGY FORUM, not related to anything associated with 'dreams-visions-psychic anything.

For your convenience, I'll leave your post here until Sunday a.m. 11/1/09 so you have time to copy it over to the other thread.


Thank you.

salvarenga
11-01-2009, 12:57 AM
Not trying to be cryptic just don't think I can post this outright since no suspects have been named. But would there be anyway to tell if the perp was VERY INTO video games, online games, etc. Also if I gave you a birthdate of 4/25/83....and could you run a chart from that? If you need more info, PM me.

mitzi
11-01-2009, 02:26 AM
Also just adding this tidbit in case it matters....

She apparently wasn't clueless about the world and safety, at least to a degree. A clueless person doesn't call her dad (at 2 PM was it?) to say they safely made it to JMU. She called her dad from JMU (the first leg of the trip) to say that she arrived there safely.

As far as driving time - it's not that far to C'ville and the arena is it from JMU, I mean. (is it?) Did they dally around at JMU? visiting? what? who? (Or is it that Im off about the 2 PM dad call time?)

(Sidenote: She did not call dad from C'ville to say she/they made it to C'ville (the second leg of the trip, fwiw.) (Or at least not that we've been told)

I know everyone is different; I get that. But imo if I were going to call someone to say I made it safely to XYZ place and there were two legs of a trip to be traversed, AND if I were going to call only once after one leg of the trip, it'd be at the end... at the final destination - not the halfway mark for cryin out loud. Why call when you're halfway there and then NOT call when you arrived at where you ultimately wanted to be? I can see how it makes sense to call from BOTH spots. But that's not what happened that we know of. Calling at the halfway point and not from the final destination is just odd to me.

I'm thinking that Dad wanted her to call him for the part of the trip that she would be taking alone. Figuring, after that, she would be driving with friends. That's all I can think of.

Amanda
11-01-2009, 03:21 AM
Ok, I guess I will ask again, or I need clarification and direct me to the post that I may have overlooked.. Does the chart say why she left the arena at all?

Soulscape
11-01-2009, 08:23 AM
Ok, I guess I will ask again, or I need clarification and direct me to the post that I may have overlooked.. Does the chart say why she left the arena at all?

The Last Seen Chart does not reveal why she left the arena. What it does reveal was that she was in highly unstable frame of mind, unlikely to be able to make good decisions (her significator MERCURY close approaching critical degree -- 13 Cardinal -- and under the Sun Beams, Part of PERIL exact conjunct ASCENDANT and Part of DELUSION exact conjunct MOON).

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape
11-01-2009, 08:36 AM
Not trying to be cryptic just don't think I can post this outright since no suspects have been named. But would there be anyway to tell if the perp was VERY INTO video games, online games, etc. Also if I gave you a birthdate of 4/25/83....and could you run a chart from that? If you need more info, PM me.

JUPITER the Perp is posited in the sign of Aquarius, associated with the internet and all things electronic, including video games.

The 4-25-83 person has severe afflictions suggestive of a person who may cause or attract harm/abuse, and the interchart connections between this person and Morgan are afflictive and unpleasant. There are suspicious connections to the Last Seen chart as well.

However, this certainly does not prove the 4-25-83 person is the perp. Why do you suspect this person?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-01-2009, 10:36 AM
Amanda, the very first chart in this thread, #1 on p.1, gives the reason she went out of the concert hall. She was not feeling well at that moment. The chart also states that she was midway between Saturn and the imminent Moon Wobble that night and that the aspects to those besieging factors, Saturn and the New Moon, a Wobble, show the person who besieged or cornered her to be gowed up on the drugs of Neptune. The type of drug(s) is not the sort that puts inhibition to sleep, not weirding downers. It renders a high that overcomes inhibition and reason like cocaine does. Not that it was cocaine but it has the same effect.

Tuba
11-01-2009, 10:55 AM
I should clarify that there are two charts, as has been made plain before. The first one, which shows Morgan feeling ill, has both Sun & Moon on the Sixth House cusp. A sure sign of indisposition. This is the chart for her exit from the hall and the friends. Then I did a second chart when we learned that there was continued communication after she went out. That too ended and became the disappearance chart. It has different cusps, of course.

salvarenga
11-01-2009, 12:06 PM
JUPITER the Perp is posited in the sign of Aquarius, associated with the internet and all things electronic, including video games.

The 4-25-83 person has severe afflictions suggestive of a person who may cause or attract harm/abuse, and the interchart connections between this person and Morgan are afflictive and unpleasant. There are suspicious connections to the Last Seen chart as well.

However, this certainly does not prove the 4-25-83 person is the perp. Why do you suspect this person?

Thanks,
Soulscape

This person would be a stranger to Morgan. However, he supposedly saw her inside the stadium in the upper corrider near where the vendors and beer stands are. He describes the area as being crowded and everyone as pushing through. He couldn't tell if she was alone b/c it was so crowded and everyone was pushing through. He realizes he saw her on Monday when he saw her story on the news. Could be nothing other than a concerned citizen......but then this is what drew me to him.

He immediately starts a facebook page to help find her. He went on CNN to talk about spotting her and wanted it made very clear that he was inside when he saw her. According to his own messages he's been trying to look into where they are searching and even set up his own searches. Looking into his online history, I have found a person who is very into video/online games. Games that project fantasy and violence. He admits he is a heavy drinker. He has been a security guard and EMT. His favorite show is COPS. (That made me think back to the part about someone removing the battery from her phone.) Also into online porn.....I could go on and on but for now I will start with this.

Wanted to add one more thing....he wants to make love "horror movie style". Whatever the heck that means.

Fifth if you feel any of this is inappropriate, please delete.

Tuba
11-01-2009, 12:39 PM
For others who have their head tied in a knot, like I do, over the car issue--Dave Gardner is a reliable UVA alumnus and witness. He saw the Morgan party arrive and talked to Morgan and he saw the car after the concert. If you have seen him on Face Book or My Space or any website and can provide contact information, I will write to him regarding the car description.

Amanda Melvin is the source for the report in The Roanoke Times that "Morgan Harrington's car remained in the parking lot." That is, the parking at the arena. Dan Harrington is adamant that Morgan's car never went to Charlottesville. He is quoted in his home town paper, The Register Herald of Beckley, Fayette Co., VA. I also have to ask, because this contention is most suspicious, whether there is a reason why it is more "useful" to someone that the car went to JPJ or not. Police want to focus on what happened after arrival and say which car is unimportant. But if it were unimportant, a clear statement would have been out here long, long ago.

tarheellvr
11-01-2009, 01:35 PM
For others who have their head tied in a knot, like I do, over the car issue--Dave Gardner is a reliable UVA alumnus and witness. He saw the Morgan party arrive and talked to Morgan and he saw the car after the concert. If you have seen him on Face Book or My Space or any website and can provide contact information, I will write to him regarding the car description.

Amanda Melvin is the source for the report in The Roanoke Times that "Morgan Harrington's car remained in the parking lot." That is, the parking at the arena. Dan Harrington is adamant that Morgan's car never went to Charlottesville. He is quoted in his home town paper, The Register Herald of Beckley, Fayette Co., VA. I also have to ask, because this contention is most suspicious, whether there is a reason why it is more "useful" to someone that the car went to JPJ or not. Police want to focus on what happened after arrival and say which car is unimportant. But if it were unimportant, a clear statement would have been out here long, long ago.

The problem I have with him is this.....he stated Morgan asked him who the opening bands were. IMO she would have known who they were. She was on the FB page regarding the concert, she had tickets for 6 months and I'm sure knew all about the concert as this info was on Metallica's website, the radio, and I'm quite sure in conversation with friends, etc. I strongly feel she would have known and would never have asked that question.

Also, he mentioned girls...not a male and girls....just girls.

I honestly don't consider him a reliable witness at all based on these two facts.

tarheelplaya06
11-01-2009, 02:56 PM
hey...im one of her friends and even closer to the girls she was with...ill get to u within 10 minutes whose car she was in to go to the concert and where it was parked at.

and it was 6 friends that went to the concert(including her) and the guy was one of the girls she was with, boyfriend.

but like i said.. give me ten minutes.

ps-i wont tell u what type of car it was just because i dont want any creepers on here to visit her friend.

kant
11-01-2009, 03:01 PM
ooopps

.

tarheelplaya06
11-01-2009, 03:09 PM
This person would be a stranger to Morgan. However, he supposedly saw her inside the stadium in the upper corrider near where the vendors and beer stands are. He describes the area as being crowded and everyone as pushing through. He couldn't tell if she was alone b/c it was so crowded and everyone was pushing through. He realizes he saw her on Monday when he saw her story on the news. Could be nothing other than a concerned citizen......but then this is what drew me to him.

He immediately starts a facebook page to help find her. He went on CNN to talk about spotting her and wanted it made very clear that he was inside when he saw her. According to his own messages he's been trying to look into where they are searching and even set up his own searches. Looking into his online history, I have found a person who is very into video/online games. Games that project fantasy and violence. He admits he is a heavy drinker. He has been a security guard and EMT. His favorite show is COPS. (That made me think back to the part about someone removing the battery from her phone.) Also into online porn.....I could go on and on but for now I will start with this.

Wanted to add one more thing....he wants to make love "horror movie style". Whatever the heck that means.

Fifth if you feel any of this is inappropriate, please delete.

is this what u think ur head is telling you

where do u think this guy is from, the more specific the better

salvarenga
11-01-2009, 04:03 PM
Mr. Playa (LOL) - Couldn't resist.

You ask "is this what u think ur head is telling you". Not sure what you mean by that, but if you are asking if that is some type of psychic prediction then the answer is no.

I am just going off of things I have read that have been posted in this thread as well as things that I have discovered about this person while doing my own internet searches. You would be surprised what people can find out on the internet.

More info that I came across about this person....he has stated that he "worked part time at the arena". Don't know if that is currently or in the past....but obviously someone that worked there would be familiar with the grounds and perhaps where surveillance cameras may or may not be. He has been involved in search and rescue in the area. IF this person were the perp, IMO he would be more familiar with where to hide a body with a S&R background. He's currently a volunteer EMT he could listen in on the scanners and get a good idea of what is going on in the investigation based on LE transmissions over their radios.


I could be TOTALLY WRONG about this and will be the first to admit if I am but IMO something is off with him.

salvarenga
11-01-2009, 04:16 PM
hey...im one of her friends and even closer to the girls she was with...ill get to u within 10 minutes whose car she was in to go to the concert and where it was parked at.

and it was 6 friends that went to the concert(including her) and the guy was one of the girls she was with, boyfriend.

but like i said.. give me ten minutes.

ps-i wont tell u what type of car it was just because i dont want any creepers on here to visit her friend.

You mention that there were 6 people in the group that night. Were you one of them? If so, do you know how she injured her face? If you were not there, do any of the others know what happened to her face?

tarheelplaya06
11-01-2009, 04:34 PM
no i was not... im a dude. the only dude that was with the group was a bf of one of the other girls. they did not see what injured her face. the people that did see said she did it walking right near the exit of the arena. i figured the info i had would help the guy with this forum topic but he hasnt responded yet. i gave yall the info about the car that they had. it was in the main parking lot area. one of the friends had the keys. her car was at the parents house. they drove two seperate cars to the house. then piled up in one car to the arena.

i really hope that helps with the astrology of the event

salvarenga
11-01-2009, 04:40 PM
no i was not... im a dude. the only dude that was with the group was a bf of one of the other girls. they did not see what injured her face. the people that did see said she did it walking right near the exit of the arena. i figured the info i had would help the guy with this forum topic but he hasnt responded yet. i gave yall the info about the car that they had. it was in the main parking lot area. one of the friends had the keys. her car was at the parents house. they drove two seperate cars to the house. then piled up in one car to the arena.

i really hope that helps with the astrology of the event

Thanks for responding. Regarding the people that did see her injure her face....did they say she slipped and fell or what caused the injury? Also, do you know if Morgan was intoxicated in any way? Not judging at all, it was a rock concert after all. People would be partying. Just trying to figure out her state of mind and why she would think it would be safe to venture out of the arena by herself.

salvarenga
11-01-2009, 04:46 PM
Could you clarify on the car:

"i gave yall the info about the car that they had. it was in the main parking lot area. one of the friends had the keys. her car was at the parents house. they drove two seperate cars to the house. then piled up in one car to the arena."

So the car driven to the arena was NOT Morgan's, is that correct? Also, are you saying that MORGAN's car was at her parents house ALL ALONG? As in she never drove it on the first part of the trip and left it at the friends house and then the friends returned the car later.

Please clarify that if you can.

tarheelplaya06
11-01-2009, 04:47 PM
they said that she wasnt intoxicated when she left them. but u cant get much out of them after that. the details they know they wont release except for the police for the reason u said. the guy might be out there reading these posts and mess with the evidence or where he/she has them. i want to know but they cant. plus im sure they are in denial of letting their friend leave with being so far away from home. i asked them this but they said they always ventured away at concerts. it was a norm to them but it might lose one of their friends lives. i miss morgan thats why i want u to continue this astrology bc evidence is at a stallmate right now

FifthEssence
11-01-2009, 04:54 PM
Thanks Tarheeelplaya06 for getting back to us and welcome to our Forum.

Truly appreciate your assistance here.

So, you are saying the car the group drove to the concert in did NOT BELONG TO MORGAN? correct?

Alll 6 of them piled into one car and drove to the arena?


I am a little confused though as you said Morgan's car was at her parents. How can that be?
(Reports say she left her parents around 2pm ( in her car), called her parents when she arrived at a friends place to reassure the family she got to the first leg of the journey safely.)



Please help me out here.
Thanks.

tarheelplaya06
11-01-2009, 04:54 PM
Could you clarify on the car:

"i gave yall the info about the car that they had. it was in the main parking lot area. one of the friends had the keys. her car was at the parents house. they drove two seperate cars to the house. then piled up in one car to the arena."

So the car driven to the arena was NOT Morgan's, is that correct? Also, are you saying that MORGAN's car was at her parents house ALL ALONG? As in she never drove it on the first part of the trip and left it at the friends house and then the friends returned the car later.

Please clarify that if you can.

ok...a)drove to roanoke at the harrington's house to pick up their tickets that the dad bought with 2 cars B) they left morgans car at the harrington's house and drove the other car with 6 ppl in it to save gas. plus morgan wanted to study for a test with her dad since she didnt have time to that night C) concert driver had the keys, cant specify who the driver was but only that is wasnt morgan, or her car d)they came home to va tech and not to morgans, this is where the dad got suspcious and called the cops

i know u are asking urself the question, why the hell would they do that, i asked them this. but it was the norm for them to do this. they leave each other alone at concerts sometimes. u also would have to think that they atleast have an IDEA who she was meeting up with. they would have to trust that she was getting a ride with someone familiar. doesnt mean she GOT to that particular guy but they arent going to tell that. the police knows that info and they assured me they know that info. but they arent going to say just in case that guys finds out they have that lead.

tarheelplaya06
11-01-2009, 04:57 PM
Thanks Tarheeelplaya06 for getting back to us and welcome to our Forum.

Truly appreciate your assistance here.

So, you are saying the car the group drove to the concert in did NOT BELONG TO MORGAN? correct?

Alll 6 of them piled into one car and drove to the arena?


I am a little confused though as you said Morgan's car was at her parents. How can that be?
(Reports say she left her parents around 2pm ( in her car), called her parents when she arrived at a friends place to reassure the family she got to the first leg of the journey safely.)



Please help me out here.
Thanks.

just what i was told. dont know if that is a big part of the story but i can ask bout where her was stored at. i was told she called when she got to the concert. but if that would help for the astrology i will find it out.

but the part about them piling in one car is completely correct. 5 females one male

not her car - correct as well

salvarenga
11-01-2009, 04:58 PM
they said that she wasnt intoxicated when she left them. but u cant get much out of them after that. the details they know they wont release except for the police for the reason u said. the guy might be out there reading these posts and mess with the evidence or where he/she has them. i want to know but they cant. plus im sure they are in denial of letting their friend leave with being so far away from home. i asked them this but they said they always ventured away at concerts. it was a norm to them but it might lose one of their friends lives. i miss morgan thats why i want u to continue this astrology bc evidence is at a stallmate right now

The astrologers here are top notch. It may take some time for them to look further but be assured if they find anything that they feel would be relevant or helpful in locating Morgan they will post it. One thing that they work with are times and dates so if you or any of the other friends can pinpoint any specific times that have not already been discussed about the timeline. I am sure they would find those helpful...For example, do you or they know the timeframe that the person that spotted her with the injury saw her?

salvarenga
11-01-2009, 05:10 PM
just what i was told. dont know if that is a big part of the story but i can ask bout where her was stored at. i was told she called when she got to the concert. but if that would help for the astrology i will find it out.

but the part about them piling in one car is completely correct. 5 females one male

not her car - correct as well

This whole car thing has me scratching my head b/c it has been reported over and over that their were 4 people and not 6 (Morgan, 2 girls and 1 guy). And according to her father:

Another discrepancy between what police and the family seem to know revolves around the vehicle that transported the young woman and three other concert-goers to Charlottesville. Police spokesperson Geller says that although driven by a friend, it was definitely Morgan Harrington’s own vehicle. Dr. Harrington has maintained, however, that his daughter’s 2006 Honda Civic, along with its keys, remained in Harrisonburg until retrieved Sunday by his daughter’s roommate who drove it back to the family home in Roanoke.

This says that a friend returned the car back to her parents house in Roanoke.

tarheelplaya06
11-01-2009, 05:17 PM
i will find out and clarify just to make sure.

i will check about the car. and where the car is in roanoke, and whether it was morgans house or not.

this time i will ask the actual friends.

but the amount of people was not four. i dont know what source released that but the is DEFINITELY incorrect. I know every exact person that went with them

but give me another ten minutes and i will find out about the car. and if my first source was wrong, i will go ahead and appologize, but im going to make sure atleast two people tell me the same thing before i post. be patient

salvarenga
11-01-2009, 05:27 PM
Astrologer found this online regarding the face injury:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f40/kellilainedoa/the%20missing/ScreenHunter_05Oct211542.gif

Says it was posted 10/21 at 12:45pm. Does this help with anything? Lamb of God was an opening act and went on first if that helps with the timeline. The concert started at 7pm.

kant
11-01-2009, 05:34 PM
Could you clarify on the car:

"i gave yall the info about the car that they had. it was in the main parking lot area. one of the friends had the keys. her car was at the parents house. they drove two seperate cars to the house. then piled up in one car to the arena."

So the car driven to the arena was NOT Morgan's, is that correct? Also, are you saying that MORGAN's car was at her parents house ALL ALONG? As in she never drove it on the first part of the trip and left it at the friends house and then the friends returned the car later.

Please clarify that if you can.I know right? This is crazy. A car is a tangible thing. People know what car they went where in for cryin out loud.

We heard she went to her parents' home (picked out the outfit with mom) then did she go BACK to Blacksburg to pick up roomy, Amy, and then they went to JMU (there by 2 PM and called dad Dan from JMU) to meet up with Sarah and mystery un-named dude? Were there more than 4 in their party?

tarheelplaya06
11-01-2009, 05:35 PM
Ok I received 3 texts with the same info. Sorry bout the earlier confusion

3 girls(2 of them roommates and one morgan) drove to jmu. they picked up the girl and her boyfriend at jmu

drove morgans car with the 5 of them to va tech. 4 girls and 1 guy. That is another definite

One of the girls, not the guy, had the keys after they parked in the main lot. They stayed with a friend in va tech after the concert ande left in the morning assuming morgans phone went dead and she had a ride.

sorry for the confusion, but atleast u had me on top of things so we can have a correct reading. i told her friends what you guys were doing for her so they opened up for answers. any information need up to the concert ask me and ill try to find out because thats what the friends will help with. but i think the police were trying to say she had 4 other friends. not just four people. i was incorrect by saying 6 but its 5. and sorry bout the roanoke situation, they drove to jmu.

im here to help though. just continue to ask, and if i confuse u remember i am getting info from friends. but ill make sure more than one tells me the info before i post the answer this time.

tarheelplaya06
11-01-2009, 05:37 PM
so just to clarify. once she got to JMU ( James Madison), she called the parents. not when she got to Va Tech

krazykidz
11-01-2009, 05:42 PM
playa,

did you mean to say they drove to va tech? and spent the night at va tech? that was in error, yes?

kant
11-01-2009, 05:42 PM
i will find out and clarify just to make sure.

i will check about the car. and where the car is in roanoke, and whether it was morgans house or not.

this time i will ask the actual friends.

but the amount of people was not four. i dont know what source released that but the is DEFINITELY incorrect. I know every exact person that went with them

but give me another ten minutes and i will find out about the car. and if my first source was wrong, i will go ahead and appologize, but im going to make sure atleast two people tell me the same thing before i post. be patient

ETA: OK I just now saw you already addressed some of these. Just saw the above post.

While you're finding things if you have a way to know...

When was Morgan's last class? THur? or Fri? What time?

Did she go alone to her parents home on Fri (or sat?) and spend the night?

Did Amy go with her or did Morgan go BACK to Blacksburg to pick up Amy?

What time did Amy and Morgan arrive it JMU (if that is how it happened IDK)

What time did they depart from JMU (*If they did) for Charlottesville? (aka C'ville)

Who was in the group? Whose car? and Who drove?

Did they stop anywhere on the way...en route? bathroom? snacks? ciggies? whatever?

What time did they get to C'ville?

TIA sorry for inundation of questions. Do you go to school with them?

salvarenga
11-01-2009, 05:45 PM
So if I understand this now.....it WAS MORGAN's CAR that they drove to the concert but someone else (a female) held on to her keys?

First off she had this backpack/purse, so she could have held onto the keys herself. Why were the keys given to the friend to hold? If she had her own car there, why would she need to get a ride? Or was it her plan all along to leave the concert? Something doesn't fit here......

kant
11-01-2009, 05:49 PM
How was Morgan going to get back in the door without her keys since she had a ride?

tarheelplaya06
11-01-2009, 05:51 PM
kant...ill try to find those answers for u. those are a lot so it might take me a while. but the one i do know off the top of my head is that amy and her and another roommate did go to jmu. i posted that previously.

and salv she did have a backpack. but she didnt have the keys because she didnt know she wasnt going to get readmitted. ya know?

kant
11-01-2009, 05:51 PM
So if I understand this now.....it WAS MORGAN's CAR that they drove to the concert but someone else (a female) held on to her keys?

First off she had this backpack/purse, so she could have held onto the keys herself. Why were the keys given to the friend to hold? If she had her own car there, why would she need to get a ride? Or was it her plan all along to leave the concert? Something doesn't fit here......
I had that one in my litany of questions too. Maybe it speaks to WHO drove Morgan's car? Why didn't Morgan drive her own car and hold her own keys? Not judging or disputing here; just trying to get an answer. We're all concerned.

tia
.

salvarenga
11-01-2009, 05:52 PM
Tarheel -

I wanted to add that I hope you are not overwhelmed by all the questions. But in a sense, you are the lifeline here. Please don't feel obligated to answer anything you are not comfortable answering and if it's too much just say so and I am sure everyone will back off.

But having someone post that has an "inside" to the actual events is a definite plus for the astrologers. The more they know they more they can glean from the charts.

We all appreciate your posts.

kant
11-01-2009, 05:53 PM
kant...ill try to find those answers for u. those are a lot so it might take me a while. but the one i do know off the top of my head is that amy and her and another roommate did go to jmu. i posted that previously.

and salv she did have a backpack. but she didnt have the keys because she didnt know she wasnt going to get readmitted. ya know?Sure certainly take your time. I dont want to impose. We're all wondering the same sorts of things.

I understand that she didn't anticipate being barred from re-entry, but why did the firend have the keys to Morgan's car in the first place? (instead of Morgan holding her own keys I mean.)

Tuba
11-01-2009, 05:55 PM
They did not go to Virginia Tech, either. They went to the University of Virginia. Morgan and her room mate are enrolled at Virginia Tech.

salvarenga
11-01-2009, 05:59 PM
kant...ill try to find those answers for u. those are a lot so it might take me a while. but the one i do know off the top of my head is that amy and her and another roommate did go to jmu. i posted that previously.

and salv she did have a backpack. but she didnt have the keys because she didnt know she wasnt going to get readmitted. ya know?

Do you know why she was going outside in the first place? Was she going to the outside smoking area to smoke? If so, I would assume that she would not have a problem being readmitted b/c that is the arena's own designated smoking area. So why was she going on the true outside area of the arena?

Was Morgan a smoker? Just trying to figure out if the person that said they saw her in the smoking area is legit or not.

Here is the info on the smoking area from the arena website:

"John Paul Jones Arena is a smoke free facility. Outdoor smoking sections are provided at Sections 301 & 315"

germanhelp
11-01-2009, 06:10 PM
was morgan during (lamb of god) in the standing area. or was she in the seating area? has she hurt her chin there? 30 minutes later received the call from her outside?

kant
11-01-2009, 06:14 PM
Do you know why she was going outside in the first place? Was she going to the outside smoking area to smoke? If so, I would assume that she would not have a problem being readmitted b/c that is the arena's own designated smoking area. So why was she going on the true outside area of the arena?

Was Morgan a smoker? Just trying to figure out if the person that said they saw her in the smoking area is legit or not.

Here is the info on the smoking area from the arena website:

"John Paul Jones Arena is a smoke free facility. Outdoor smoking sections are provided at Sections 301 & 315"
From what I've gathered (per locals) there are smoking areas and while they may be open air (ie "outside") they're not "outside" the arena such that when you go to this designated smoking area you are not "outside" such that you cant get back in. I did not say that very well.

Iow, one can smoke in the designated smoking area and have no problem getting back to your seat. You're barred re-entry (regardless of being in posession of your ticket) if you go OUTSIDE -- as in out the exit (as opposed to going to the designated smoking area from which you CAN get back in to your seat)

kant
11-01-2009, 06:19 PM
The point as I understand it is.... if you go to the smoking area you cannot (from there) go to your car or wherever. Presumably if you're allowed to go to the car you could get liquor, down some shots, etc thus reducing your need to buy THEIR alcohol and decreasing their profit. Plus if you've been searched for weapons or other contraband upon entry, if you were allowed to go out (all the way out - not to the smoking area "out") if you were allowed to go out and about doing God-knows-what :) they'd have to search you all over again. yadda yadda.

kant
11-01-2009, 06:33 PM
oooopps

tarheelplaya06
11-01-2009, 07:10 PM
They did not go to Virginia Tech, either. They went to the University of Virginia. Morgan and her room mate are enrolled at Virginia Tech.

u knew what i meant. sorry for mixing the two universities up.

tarheelplaya06
11-01-2009, 07:14 PM
i am also informing her friends to this site. dont ask for names of posters but they are trying to register to help out but they already have said a lot of questions are personal so if not all of them gets answered. please dont take offense.

my questions for you guys

please make a complete list of questions bc it is just a bunch of posts with different questions. take all of them together and make a list please

also can one of you guys please take my info and come up with an updated astrology to this. if u dont that it might give them the incentive to actually give the answers to the questions.

i appreciate your help.

<3 241

krazykidz
11-01-2009, 07:17 PM
tarheelplaya,

so....morgan's friends spent the night in cville, hoping to meet up with morgan in the am? then they drove back to jmu and va tech? or did they all go back after hrs wait in concert arena parking lot before daybreak?

FifthEssence
11-01-2009, 08:44 PM
i am also informing her friends to this site. dont ask for names of posters but they are trying to register to help out but they already have said a lot of questions are personal so if not all of them gets answered. please dont take offense.

my questions for you guys

please make a complete list of questions bc it is just a bunch of posts with different questions. take all of them together and make a list please

also can one of you guys please take my info and come up with an updated astrology to this. if u dont that it might give them the incentive to actually give the answers to the questions.

i appreciate your help.

<3 241

Hello TARHEELPLAYA. I see your request and will get back to you.

In the meantime, can you tell us if the 8:48pm cell call between Morgan and her friend inside the arena was the last time any of the girlfriends spoke or texted with her? ( 8:48pm is when she said she would try to get a ride back with one of her friends in Charlottesville )

Did the girls try reaching her again after that call? and if so, what time were those calls made where they did NOT get a response back from her?

Since we work with 'times' in astrology, a tighter timeline for that evening would be most helpful.

Thank you.

FIFTHESSENCE

FifthEssence
11-02-2009, 01:37 AM
Hello again TARHEELPLAYA....have assembled a few questions in an orderly fashion as you requested.

1. Please confirm, was Morgan's car the auto the group drove in
to the arena ?
a. yes
b. no

2. If yes, why did she not take possession of her keys upon arrival?
a. wasn't a big deal, not an issue
b. she suggested she may be staying in Charlottesville
and was OK letting friends take the car back home

3. Do the girlfriends know WHY she left their group prior to Metallica
and what TIME was it?
a. bathroom break
b. feeling ill
c. smoke a cigarette
d. was going to look for a friend she thought might be at the concert?
e. girls were not aware she had walked away from group

4. Law Enforcement reported one of the girls initiated
a call to Morgan @8:48pm.
Was this a conversation or texting back and forth?

5. What was the tone & nature of that 8:48 communication?
a. upset she could not get back in
b. wasn't a big deal she couldn't get in
c. was? or was not? interested in getting the car keys
d. she had already contacted someone in Charlottesville or met up
with someone
e. she was or had been hassled by some strange guy(s)

6. Did she mention she had an injury to her face, chin?
a. if yes, did she say when-(time) and how it happen?
b. no, she never mentioned an injury, that she fell or slipped?
c. she fell, tripped, slipped? while with the girlfriends?

7. Did she mention a male person she was hoping or planning to run into
at the concert? (discuss w/ girl pals days before, or on the drive down?)

8. Were there plans for the group of friends to party in Charlottesville after
the concert or was the original plan, everyone would go back home?

9. VERY important, Did the girls ever communicate with her again
after the 8:48pm call?
Could the girls please provide us with the TIME of their earliest call to her
when they didn't get a response following the 8:48pm communication?

10. Were any of the girl pals aware of some new male interest, perhaps
someone she never met in person but had been communicating
w/on Facebook?

If you could please respond to the above, we can see how those pieces of info you provide us with fit into the chart activity already discussed. It would help to determine those areas of the chart aspects we could further exploit.


Blessings~
FIFTHESSENCE

tarheelplaya06
11-02-2009, 09:00 AM
ok...ill try to have it to you around noon or so.

carbuff
11-02-2009, 10:55 AM
May I ask a possibly uninformed question?

In Morgan's Last Seen chart, do those signs of death and danger indicate that the stranger actually interacted with her? Or might it include something less direct, such as a hit-and-run followed by concealing the body?

I keep thinking, dark misty night, badly lit road, upset girl dressed all in black, black pickup truck with no headlights on...

Sweetbaby
11-02-2009, 11:41 AM
kant...ill try to find those answers for u. those are a lot so it might take me a while. but the one i do know off the top of my head is that amy and her and another roommate did go to jmu. i posted that previously.

and salv she did have a backpack. but she didnt have the keys because she didnt know she wasnt going to get readmitted. ya know?

Had she ever been to a concert before??? I would think that anyone would know that once you leave you are out no matter what. For her to not realize she would not be readmitted seems odd to me. I know Metallic tickets were not cheap anywhere and to take a chance of leaving a venue and not being able to get back in to see a band you really want to see...that seems really odd. I hope this girl is found and found safe...

Sweetbaby
11-02-2009, 11:51 AM
I cannot help but think she was supposed to met with someone and that person somehow lured her outside. That would explain why the other kids left the venue that night not too worried about her, they would have just assumed she was with the person she was due to meet with and would contact them.

salvarenga
11-02-2009, 02:41 PM
This was posted on the Find Morgan site......you'll have to decide for yourself whether to believe it or not.

http://findmorgan.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts

salvarenga
11-02-2009, 02:43 PM
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11374052

Again you'll have to decide whether or not it's credible.

MBLover
11-02-2009, 02:48 PM
This was posted on the Find Morgan site......you'll have to decide for yourself whether to believe it or not.

http://findmorgan.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts

The person that speaks about her family members seeing MH fall - she sounds credible - until the statement is made that MH is taking pictures - then falls and can't respond when asked if she's okay because these family members say MH was stoned...

IMO if she was THAT stoned that she couldn't speak how would she be able to take photos?

arielilane
11-02-2009, 04:28 PM
I have been reading the findmorgan forum since this past weekend and just don’t find this person/people credible. If you saw someone so out of it -wouldn’t you get them some help? Good grief…

Amanda
11-02-2009, 05:50 PM
Determining where the body is located is often extremely difficult.

Using Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson's approach, the body would be NORTH NORTH WEST of place of Last Seen, possibly up to 20 miles away, at a higher elevation (hillsides, mountain meadows, near trees, hunting areas, detached buildings in clean or barren gravel fields) --- but possibly at ground level (in a higher elevation) because SATURN (significator of corpses), the traditional Part of DEATH, and the Part of FIND are all in Virgo, an Earth sign. SATURN, DEATH and FIND are intercepted, thus she is hidden and harder to find.

Another approach* suggests we look at PLUTO (planet of transformation) in energetic combination with SATURN (corpses) and the significator of the Missing Person to ascertain probable mileage.

I have added another experimental twist by also considering the Parts of FIND and DEATH.

In this chart, PLUTO 01 Capricorn squares SATURN (corpse) and VENUS (general significator of a young girl), and even (very widely) squares MERCURY (Morgan). Additionally, PLUTO widely trines traditional Part of Death 10 Virgo and Part of Find 8 Virgo and partile squares DEATH2 01 Aries. This suggests anywheres from 0 to 27 miles to me...

This is purely speculative. I need to find the time to thoroughly examine Last Seen charts in relation to Find charts in the hopes of uncovering a method that works more often than it doesn't.

Thanks,
Soulscape

*a combination of astrologer Renee Francis's laying the chart on a land map and astrologer Beth Turnage's experimental work with Renee's method.

http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/opinion/columnists_bryan_mckenzie/article/some_thoughts_on_the_missing_from_the_psychic_real m/48351/

Ok, I was reading the article published yesterday in the Daily Progress. I hope this is ok to post here, I'm still really new to this. :waitasec:

tarheelplaya06
11-02-2009, 06:19 PM
Could you clarify on the car:

"i gave yall the info about the car that they had. it was in the main parking lot area. one of the friends had the keys. her car was at the parents house. they drove two seperate cars to the house. then piled up in one car to the arena."

So the car driven to the arena was NOT Morgan's, is that correct? Also, are you saying that MORGAN's car was at her parents house ALL ALONG? As in she never drove it on the first part of the trip and left it at the friends house and then the friends returned the car later.

Please clarify that if you can.

im still trying to find out all of fifth's questions.

but i was incorrect. was her car. picked up friends at jmu and finished the drive to UVA.

Tuba
11-02-2009, 06:19 PM
The C. & O. Southern Ry. runs right through Gordonsville, I see. The Southern Ry. passes through Charlottesville and the two connect at Orange just above Gordonsville. The tracks were visible from the location where Morgan was last sighted. Uranus of railways is in aspect to the Saturn at the end of Morgan's "adventure".

Amanda
11-02-2009, 06:26 PM
Gordonsville is probably not it? I think I understood correctly..

tarheelplaya06
11-02-2009, 06:38 PM
how credible do you think this grandmothers story is? she told them "dont do something you would regret tonight" and she didnt hear bout the story until today. i just dont know how much i believe it and that she can remember what the girl looks like but not the guy. if that was the guy, he got EXTREMELY lucky that she cant remember what he looks like

but do u think it is credible?

Tuba
11-02-2009, 06:44 PM
No, Amanda, I think Gordonsville is a possibility, deserves consideration. As to the grandmother's account of what went on behind her own car between a guy and someone she thought was Morgan, the Hook has discredited that story. No reason was given. Maybe it is now known that it was two other people.

FifthEssence
11-02-2009, 07:03 PM
how credible do you think this grandmothers story is? she told them "dont do something you would regret tonight" and she didnt hear bout the story until today. i just dont know how much i believe it and that she can remember what the girl looks like but not the guy. if that was the guy, he got EXTREMELY lucky that she cant remember what he looks like

but do u think it is credible?


Did you read the post just above this by Tuba?

TARHEELPLAYA, look forward to what you have to say in response to the questions I listed. Appreciate any info you can bring to light.

carbuff
11-02-2009, 07:17 PM
I cannot help but think she was supposed to met with someone and that person somehow lured her outside. That would explain why the other kids left the venue that night not too worried about her, they would have just assumed she was with the person she was due to meet with and would contact them.

Maybe he didn't even have to lure her. Maybe the meeting place was outside and she got stood up. Much of her friends' behavior makes sense if they knew all along that she was planning to spend the night with a boyfriend (and perhaps were helping her hide that fact from her parents).

tarheelplaya06
11-02-2009, 09:15 PM
Hello again TARHEELPLAYA....have assembled a few questions in an orderly fashion as you requested.

1. Please confirm, was Morgan's car the auto the group drove in
to the arena ?
a. yes
b. no

2. If yes, why did she not take possession of her keys upon arrival?
a. wasn't a big deal, not an issue
b. she suggested she may be staying in Charlottesville
and was OK letting friends take the car back home

3. Do the girlfriends know WHY she left their group prior to Metallica
and what TIME was it?
a. bathroom break
b. feeling ill
c. smoke a cigarette
d. was going to look for a friend she thought might be at the concert?
e. girls were not aware she had walked away from group

4. Law Enforcement reported one of the girls initiated
a call to Morgan @8:48pm.
Was this a conversation or texting back and forth?

5. What was the tone & nature of that 8:48 communication?
a. upset she could not get back in
b. wasn't a big deal she couldn't get in
c. was? or was not? interested in getting the car keys
d. she had already contacted someone in Charlottesville or met up
with someone
e. she was or had been hassled by some strange guy(s)

6. Did she mention she had an injury to her face, chin?
a. if yes, did she say when-(time) and how it happen?
b. no, she never mentioned an injury, that she fell or slipped?
c. she fell, tripped, slipped? while with the girlfriends?

7. Did she mention a male person she was hoping or planning to run into
at the concert? (discuss w/ girl pals days before, or on the drive down?)

8. Were there plans for the group of friends to party in Charlottesville after
the concert or was the original plan, everyone would go back home?

9. VERY important, Did the girls ever communicate with her again
after the 8:48pm call?
Could the girls please provide us with the TIME of their earliest call to her
when they didn't get a response following the 8:48pm communication?

10. Were any of the girl pals aware of some new male interest, perhaps
someone she never met in person but had been communicating
w/on Facebook?

If you could please respond to the above, we can see how those pieces of info you provide us with fit into the chart activity already discussed. It would help to determine those areas of the chart aspects we could further exploit.


Blessings~
FIFTHESSENCE

these are only the ones i could find out bc the ones i couldnt were too personal to ask.

1)a
2)a
3)c
4)convo
5)d but could also be a
6)b
7)could not tell because it was "confidental info for the police only"
8)plans were to go back to JMU where the gf and bf lived but plans were altered
9)did not call before battery taken out, but not a specific time when the next call took place
10)they do not know if the friends knew who she was with, but they feel that the group did know who she was supposed to be with since they would not leave her alone. but again, the girls would not admit if they didnt because they would be ashamed.

and guys i dont think i can get much more info out of the friends, they kind of want to be left alone so hopefully this helps, but tarheelplaya06 is going to be signing out on info giving out because i dont want it to seem like im invesigating them since they already have enough of that going on. hope you respect that.

i appreciate all of your help and maybe we can now give them an update astrology since i told them you guys would.

FifthEssence
11-02-2009, 09:40 PM
these are only the ones i could find out bc the ones i couldnt were too personal to ask.

1)a
2)a
3)c
4)convo
5)d but could also be a
6)b
7)could not tell because it was "confidental info for the police only"
8)plans were to go back to JMU where the gf and bf lived but plans were altered
9)did not call before battery taken out, but not a specific time when the next call took place
10)they do not know if the friends knew who she was with, but they feel that the group did know who she was supposed to be with since they would not leave her alone. but again, the girls would not admit if they didnt because they would be ashamed.

and guys i dont think i can get much more info out of the friends, they kind of want to be left alone so hopefully this helps, but tarheelplaya06 is going to be signing out on info giving out because i dont want it to seem like im invesigating them since they already have enough of that going on. hope you respect that.

i appreciate all of your help and maybe we can now give them an update astrology since i told them you guys would.

Thanks TARHEELPLAYA. Will work on this. You've been very helpful.
PRAYERS go out to the Harrington Family and friends.

Blessings~
FIFTHESSENCE

secret_agent_mom
11-03-2009, 05:23 PM
Gordonsville is probably not it? I think I understood correctly..

Been thinking about this and wondering if it could be the Glenmore area?

secret_agent_mom
11-03-2009, 05:26 PM
This is my first experience with forensic astrology and I find it fascinating. I would love to learn more about it. Can one of the experts on the board send me some links or recommend reading to help me learn more about this?

TIA

tarheelplaya06
11-03-2009, 07:15 PM
for those of you who have facebook. check out

HELP FIND MORGAN DANA HARRINGTON
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=162224546575&v=app_2373072738&ref=ts#topic_top
It is pretty interesting. and keep the talking going. its getting too dead in here and i dont want the case to get cold

and fifth. is there anyway i could get ur email or a messager name. i got some things i would like to ask confidentially. post it on my profile and let me know

FifthEssence
11-03-2009, 09:18 PM
for those of you who have facebook. check out

HELP FIND MORGAN DANA HARRINGTON
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=162224546575&v=app_2373072738&ref=ts#topic_top
It is pretty interesting. and keep the talking going. its getting too dead in here and i dont want the case to get cold

and fifth. is there anyway i could get ur email or a messager name. i got some things i would like to ask confidentially. post it on my profile and let me know

Our Astros have cast a couple charts using specific times that night. See the beginning of this thread. None of the analysis & discussions regarding those charts are based on anything 'dream like' or psychic'.

I think you may be getting psychic type discussions mixed up with Astrology. Apple and oranges.

In very simple terms, FORENSIC ASTROLOGY is a discipline using a specific time & location ( ie: 8:48pm cell call in Charlottesville) to get a snapshot (chart) of the mathmatically calculated positions/motions and interacting energies among all the planets including the Sun & Moon at that moment, then coming to interpret their influence/physical effects on our Earth/us. So you see, we use the exact positions of the heavenly bodies (like asTRONomy) as the foundation of the analysis we present.

Will get back to you.

FifthEssence
11-03-2009, 10:17 PM
This is my first experience with forensic astrology and I find it fascinating. I would love to learn more about it. Can one of the experts on the board send me some links or recommend reading to help me learn more about this?

TIA

Welcome :smile: to the Forensic Astrology Forum!

Scoot on over to our LIBRARY. There are book listings and a good amount of links to informative sites your can visit.
Astrologers LIBRARY - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

If you have any questions:waitasec: or comments regarding the Charts our Astros post, do speak up.

If your questions are about Astrology in 'general', then go to our GENERAL Thread.
Forensic Astrology - GENERAL - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

tarheelplaya06
11-03-2009, 10:27 PM
sorry bout that fifth. im new in the astrology too, but i was just trying to see if their thoughts on facebook correlated with your thoughts in the astrology world. my mind doesnt work like yours so i was just trying to provide info.

keep up the good work and let me know if you need anything fifth.

FifthEssence
11-03-2009, 10:49 PM
sorry bout that fifth. im new in the astrology too, but i was just trying to see if their thoughts on facebook correlated with your thoughts in the astrology world. my mind doesnt work like yours so i was just trying to provide info.

keep up the good work and let me know if you need anything fifth.

I understand and we thank you for the tidbits posted the other day. Check your mail.

FifthEssence
11-04-2009, 10:45 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DOGblinking.gif

Hello, hellooooooooooooooooo. May I have your attention please.


THIS IS AN ASTROLOGY FORUM.

Astrology has nothing to do with anything psychic,
or dreams or visual impressions someone may have.

Read post #129 above for a better understanding.


I will be removing all psychic type posts from this forum in about 5 minutes so I suggest you copy those posts over to the main Missing Persons/Morgan Harrington thread.
VA-Morgan Dana Harrington, 20 Charlottesville #5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thank you~

carbuff
11-04-2009, 10:51 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DOGblinking.gif

Hello, hellooooooooooooooooo. May I have your attention please.


THIS IS AN ASTROLOGY FORUM.

Astrology has nothing to do with anything psychic,
or dreams or visual impressions someone may have.

Read post #129 above for a better understanding.


I will be removing all psychic type posts from this forum in about 5 minutes so I suggest you copy those posts over to the main Missing Persons/Morgan Harrington thread.
VA-Morgan Dana Harrington, 20 Charlottesville #5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91071)

Thank you~

Oops, I'm sorry. I thought I was already on the other thread.

Very very sorry.

Tuba
11-04-2009, 05:31 PM
http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/14535/police-update-harrington-case-timeline

This timeline in the Collegiate Times is accurate; it matches the police announcement of what time Morgan was where. I cast a chart for the moment she went outside the concert "hall" so that certain factors can be better seen and understood.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/MorganExitsJPJConcertHall001.jpg

Here you can see the solicitude of the friends toward Morgan is at issue, with the New Moon Wobble in House 6. This placement also denotes the choice Morgan made when she separated from her group after entry as House 6 is where we choose and decide, just as the natural Sign of House 6 is Virgo: discrimination, decisions. When the Sun is in this House, health is disordered and we are not ourselves, not feeling well and when the Moon is there, we fret. Scorpio of health complications is intercepted there as well.

Mars and Part of Misfortune not only form a Y with Pluto but are also at the solstice point of one another. As planets transit either of these antiscia, 29° Taurus &/or 0° Leo, the facts of this case will emerge. Just before midnight last night, the last pass of the Taurus Moon went over the Part of Misfortune. Passage of the Moon over Weeping Sisters leaves Morgan's loved ones in tears, missing her.

distracted
11-04-2009, 09:18 PM
I'm new to this so I am wondering if any of the recent charts show a change in Morgan's outcome which the previous charts showed.

I'm also wondering if the fall that she sustained is the "illness" reported in the charts. This fall could have made her disoriented, feeling a need to go outside for "fresh air". Then, of course, once outside she meets misfortune. Is this a possibility?

Tuba
11-04-2009, 09:33 PM
Yes, you could be onto the detail of what happened because our balance, at least for 50% of the population is determined by the middle ear (the rest depend on visual field) and her fall could have caused alteration in the middle ear. I believe the fall was involved because she, Mercury, was midway between Saturn of falling and the New Moon, which was a wobble. Midpoints are revealing of what happened and what ensues. As the wobble got tighter or more exact, Moon & Sun both square the lunar nodes, she would have felt more disoriented even though the sick feeling left. As the minutes ticked by, the midpoint between Saturn and the lunation also became more precise.

As for that choice she made, the New Moon was in Libra of relating to others and the wobble pulled in or involved the nodes, which are our associations. The choice of the square was to remove herself from that group. A mistake which isolated her and left her vulnerable.

distracted
11-04-2009, 10:26 PM
Thank you, Tuba. At least that part of what happened makes more sense now. Unfortunately, if she had been drinking or had taken a drug, then she would have been extremely disoriented. That would explain the urge to go outside for fresh air no matter the consequences. Perhaps her head cleared some after she had been outside for a bit but not enough to keep her out of harm's way. Very sad.

Zoe Bogart
11-04-2009, 11:12 PM
Thank you, Tuba for the timeline link and the newest chart. Excellent work. I'm in awe of the stories these charts can tell. So wonderfully helpful, they are.

Tuba
11-05-2009, 09:56 AM
Under this latest chart, you will see a sentence about the south node in House 3. That House deals with our lung function and air quality. The south node of the Moon there delivers less and again indicates the urge to get fresh air, also shown by the trine of her ruler, Mercury, to Jupiter in the Air Sign. There was also mist or drizzle, light rain and that would have refreshed her lungs. Smoking a cigarette would not but that habit is compulsive.

tarheelplaya06
11-05-2009, 07:15 PM
i sent your an email back fifth

magic-cat
11-06-2009, 12:06 AM
just what i was told. dont know if that is a big part of the story but i can ask bout where her was stored at. i was told she called when she got to the concert. but if that would help for the astrology i will find it out.

but the part about them piling in one car is completely correct. 5 females one male

not her car - correct as well

It WAS her car which was taken to the concert...so either you have been misinformed by someone? or???:waitasec:

Zoe Bogart
11-06-2009, 01:55 AM
It WAS her car which was taken to the concert...so either you have been misinformed by someone? or???:waitasec:

And THAT'S the problem with the accounts of the night in question. No one seems to have the same "facts": the friends, the dad. All conflicting. And with a young lady's life at stake. I just don't get it. :snooty:

Tuba
11-06-2009, 12:14 PM
We can't forget the U.C.S. factor: university & college suppression. "Annie Le was a Workplace Violence incident, not a Yale crime", um hum. Virginia Tech freshman, on a paved walking path was run over by the big Ford Excursion driven by another student, Aaron Pierce who fled the scene and who received 30 days in jail, whereas Brian McCloskey 18 died of his injuries five days later. Aaron had, of course, left him on the path to die. When he was discovered, authorities initially didn't know whether he had been beaten to a pulp or run over.

The schools and their trustees do not want the adverse publicity and are loathe to come clean. The massacre at VA Tech was beyond their powers to subdue and squelch and an expose that required no research and no writing. The U.C.S. factor is in my mental background always as I read and hear the contradictions and weightless "facts" provided media and the public.

Tuba
11-06-2009, 09:05 PM
The chart for Dan Harrington's report to the police on Sunday, after speaking to the concert goers, will be posted here.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/ReporttoPoliceDocumentHarrington001.jpg

Tuba
11-07-2009, 11:03 AM
No one pressed for the answer posed by our See Saw Pattern, so I'll take the initiative. In the two opposing areas, one finds the realistic planets, Mars, Saturn, Venus, Mercury, Moon in her fall, and Sun. Arrayed against them are the outer planets which allow us to dream and transcend, along with optimistic Jupiter.

The Sun ruling House 8 of investigations and death is at the same degree as the south node of the Moon over in the hemisphere of realism. Sun is also square the nodes. Remember the Moon Wobble. When a planet shares the identical degree with the nodes, a fatality occurs. Who would that victim be? The subject of the report to authorities in House 10. The victim also happens to be a Leo and her natal Sun is on the cusp of House 8. Conspicuously, transit Mars is there too. Mars is inconjunct Pluto, finality.

The phone call to police is coming from House 3 of this report chart. Pisces on that cusp is misinformed and mistaken. The account provided is inaccurate. The truth of the matter is at the Aquarian sector and there we find the rulers of House 1 and 12: what happened at a distance, Sagittarius, is cause for self-protection, House 2, saying what will best defend ones position. This self-shielding attitude is wrong and that is clear from the fact that the Ascendant and the 12th House of self-undoing and regrettable acts share the same Sign.

The Part of Death for this report is 25:50 Virgo (same degree, once again, as the nodes) and the Part of Fatality is 29:18 Scorpio.

Money Girl
11-07-2009, 09:24 PM
No one pressed for the answer posed by our See Saw Pattern, so I'll take the initiative. In the two opposing areas, one finds the realistic planets, Mars, Saturn, Venus, Mercury, Moon in her fall, and Sun. Arrayed against them are the outer planets which allow us to dream and transcend, along with optimistic Jupiter.

The Sun ruling House 8 of investigations and death is at the same degree as the south node of the Moon over in the hemisphere of realism. Sun is also square the nodes. Remember the Moon Wobble. When a planet shares the identical degree with the nodes, a fatality occurs. Who would that victim be? The subject of the report to authorities in House 10. The victim also happens to be a Leo and her natal Sun is on the cusp of House 8. Conspicuously, transit Mars is there too. Mars is inconjunct Pluto, finality.

The phone call to police is coming from House 3 of this report chart. Pisces on that cusp is misinformed and mistaken. The account provided is inaccurate. The truth of the matter is at the Aquarian sector and there we find the rulers of House 1 and 12: what happened at a distance, Sagittarius, is cause for self-protection, House 2, saying what will best defend ones position. This self-shielding attitude is wrong and that is clear from the fact that the Ascendant and the 12th House of self-undoing and regrettable acts share the same Sign.

The Part of Death for this report is 25:50 Virgo (same degree, once again, as the nodes) and the Part of Fatality is 29:18 Scorpio.

Tuba, Could you interpret this for us. I have no idea what it means.

Thank you.

momsbold1
11-08-2009, 05:59 AM
Good morning everyone. I would like to chime in just a bit about the chart for 10/17
9:30 pm. I must comment that I feel one consideration we must make is that the Moon is in the Via Combusta, or the Burning Way. I am rather old school and I realize that this is an event chart, rather than a true Horary, but could this be part of the reason that there is so much confusion about events for that evening? The ancients would not have considered the chart fit to judge. When this happens, how do you proceed ? Also, I could not but help notice the malefic fixed star Caput Aglol in smack dab in the middle of the 12th house and the natal placement is RIGHT AT THE CUSP of the 11th.
What does the board think of this?

Vaire

21merc7
11-08-2009, 06:23 AM
:Welcome-12-june:

Hello Vaire, I can't answer your questions b/c I do not know enough about astrology, but someone will. I am always happy to more talented astrologers helping with these cases, jump right in!

Soulscape
11-08-2009, 09:28 AM
Good morning everyone. I would like to chime in just a bit about the chart for 10/17
9:30 pm. I must comment that I feel one consideration we must make is that the Moon is in the Via Combusta, or the Burning Way. I am rather old school and I realize that this is an event chart, rather than a true Horary, but could this be part of the reason that there is so much confusion about events for that evening? The ancients would not have considered the chart fit to judge. When this happens, how do you proceed ? Also, I could not but help notice the malefic fixed star Caput Aglol in smack dab in the middle of the 12th house and the natal placement is RIGHT AT THE CUSP of the 11th.
What does the board think of this?

Vaire

Hello Vaire, and welcome to our Forensic Astrology Forum.

The bulk of the charts we examine in this Forum are event charts, not horary charts, and while examined in a similar way to horary charts, there are important differences. All event charts can be read, regardless of 'considerations before judgment.' (FWIW, I also believe all horary charts can be read, as well, although we must take the 'considerations' under advisement...)

ALGOL in the 9:30 pm Chart posited in 12th House is also inconjunct the SUN and sesquiquadrate MERCURY, Lord 1 (Morgan). ALGOL in the Reported Missing Chart is posited in the 5th House, 26:18 Taurus, partile inconjunct ASCENDANT** and close inconjunct SUN (Yod Formation with ALGOL as focal point). These are surely additional testimonies of the dire circumstances surrounding Morgan's mysterious disappearance.

The fact that ALGOL conjoins the 11th House Cusp in Morgan's sunrise natal chart gives symbolic testimony that misfortune may come from circumstances beyond her control and/or through friends (both 11th house matters). This is because the sunrise chart by its nature is symbolic, not being the 'true' birth chart.

[**I used Charlottesville VA coordinates 78:28 W 38:01 N which gives slightly different cusps than Tuba's chart.]

Thank you for your participation, Vaire, and we hope you will continue to jump in with your observations and contribute to our understanding of this and other cases on our Forum.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
11-08-2009, 09:47 AM
Reading from top to bottom, and taking the questions in the order in which they were asked: Money Girl, you may not have looked at the See Saw chart which is a post above the writing you question. In that chart analysis, Tuba wrote, "...the See Saw pattern featuring opposing possibilities. Is Morgan the victim of foul play or is she simply mysteriously elsewhere than where she is meant to be?" In other words, missing and incommunicado.

Tuba can be very abstruse and I will make the effort to interpret for her. The chart is weighted on two opposing sides. It sometimes happens but it is not usual for this see saw to be the case. One collection of planets is from House 8 through House 10 and Tuba called them the harsh realistic group because of their nature, aspects, Signs and Houses. The opposing collection of planets is over in Houses 1 through 3. Let's call them wishful thinking.

The harsh realistic planets, Moon square Mars, Venus square Pluto and Venus with Saturn and Mercury midpoint of Saturn and (Moon Wobble) Sun, make clear that Morgan was the victim of foul play and is not merely missing and out of touch.
__________________________________________________ ______________
Vaire, event charts must be read differently from horaries. When a customer or client comes to you with a question and you see strictures against judgment such as an Ascendant that is too early or too late, or her significator or the quesited is in the Via Combusta, you have the right to sound the buzzer and say, "This chart is not radical. Come back another time or think of another question."

Event charts depict something that did take place however much we may wish and pray that it did not. We have to accept this and work with the markers of that time and place. In any case, in the 9:30 and the 8:20 charts, the Moon is not void of course. She is shortly to conjoin the Sun which is square the nodes and in a Moon Wobble because of that. She and the Sun are in Via Combusta and that is the fiery star path of grave misfortune, as you say. But we are stuck with it because it depicts something that actually happened, not a query.
The Part of Fortune could not be more unfortunate and that is why we called it and dealt with it as the Part of Misfortune but we are stuck with it.

The birth time for Morgan is unavailable so there is no accurate personal chart but I did a separate chart for the event of her separation from the group and inserted her natal planets, so the interaction has been on view between the wheel of the night and what Morgan was.
This was not my own innovation. Evangeline Adams always did that. She cast the "accidental" horoscope of all the cusps of the moment and then placed the client's natal planets within the wheel.

Maybe some subjects have been clarified, maybe not. Trying to read Tuba's work is like attempting a Chinese puzzle. I did the best I could.

Tuba
11-08-2009, 08:10 PM
Vaire, if you are thinking what I think you are thinking, I agree with you. The Friends, House 11 and Caput Algol. Yes, something dreadfully wrong there.

Money Girl
11-08-2009, 11:39 PM
Another possible Morgan sighting with 3 guys around 3:30 a.m.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=162224546575&topic=10516#topic_top

It was posted on November 5, 2009 at 8:37pm

mountaintime
11-09-2009, 01:33 AM
Really impressive astrological work going on here...I am new to this forum, but familiar with astrology...and this work is extraordinary!

momsbold1
11-09-2009, 01:55 AM
I understand that event charts do not need the classical considerations before reading, but what I meant to convey was that I am really troubled by that Moon in the Via Combusta. This is a very powerful, and I feel malefic placement. I was trying to see what the forum members feel this Moon could be saying to us. My personal opinion is that this Moon (in the 5th, party house!) is indicating that all information relating to the 5th house activity cannot be trusted for truth or accuracy. Mercury in the same house and sign as the Moon (Libra, 5th) backs this up. There is also a stellium in that 5th house, another reason that 5th house holds the key to it all, but such confusion in that house! Jones taught that once you place the matter in the right house, the answer often lies in the house opposite from it. Well if we all agree that Morgan is ruled by Mercury, and Mercury is in the 5th, we are right back to the 11th (friends) for the answer. This is very troubling, I doubt there will be a good outcome for this young woman.

Vaire

Zoe Bogart
11-09-2009, 02:38 AM
Vaire, I've been looking at the 11th house and the friends since the beginning. I'm disturbed how their stories are contradictory and blase'. No one seems to want to find her or to care that she's not being found: "We were in her car", "She said she would get a ride", "We weren't in her car", "We waited for her", "We didn't wait for her because she said she would get a ride", "We were in her car", "We were not in her car".......

Something is just not right. Too many secrets, too many trying to cover their backsides, too many vague details. It doesn't even seem like they were close friends the way these "friends" haven't cared enough to come clean with the REAL truth. I'm not the only one who believes this and the charts say so, too. Whom are they covering for? Themselves? The guy she was with/meeting? Why would this girl who was so determined to see this concert just walk away without begging her friends to come to plead her case? Why leave in the first place? Most importantly, why can't these friends get their story straight?


Stepping off my soapbox now.

Thanks for the charts and explanations, Tuba and Soulscape. As always, fascinating and brilliant work. I agree with the assessment of the see-saw chart, someone is in self-preservation mode and it's not helping Morgan one bit. For shame.

krazykidz
11-09-2009, 08:36 AM
i just threw out my 2 cents on the missing morgan thread about the possibility she was involved with an older man (maybe even married). this would account for secrecy and friends' possible anger at morgan about it. is there any way to analyze the last seen chart to see if it was an older person that approached her with bad intentions?

Tuba
11-09-2009, 11:04 AM
In the stack weighing against the friends, we also have to bear in mind that Neptune overhead that night opposed Morgan's own Mars (see post #6) and that is the marker for betrayal and treachery. Betrayal does not apply to unknowns, strangers, lurkers. Betrayal applies to those we should be able to trust and do trust.

Angel Who Cares
11-09-2009, 12:18 PM
Weekend Harrington search parties found items, but no leads
November 9, 2009
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State Police say the more than 500 volunteers who showed up to search in the Charlottesville area over the weekend found parts of clothes as well as other objects, but no leads in the search for missing Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington.

Article:
http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/state_regional/article/weekend_harrington_search_parties_found_items_but_ no_leads/60977/
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Search for missing VT student Morgan Harrington reveals nothing new
Monday, November 09, 2009
<snipped>
Virginia State Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said the search produced a couple of articles of clothing, none of which appeared relevant. She said police didn't find any significant clues or build on any possible leads.

Bob Smither of the Texas-based Laura Recovery Center for Missing Children said that more than 600 volunteers participated in Sunday's search. He said teams started in the morning and searched for two to four hours until there was no more daylight. Smither said much of the search was done on "challenging" rural terrain.

"This is certainly not the end of the search for Morgan," Smither said.

A map documenting the timeline of sightings of Harrington in the hour before she was last seen:
http://www.roanoke.com/datasphere/wb/xp-224154

Article:
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/225645
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Search party finds no new clues to disappearance
Nearly 1,600 volunteers gather to search Charlottesville area for Harrington
November 9, 2009
<snipped>
The effort was headed by the Texas-based Laura Recovery Center, which worked with local rescue teams to search in and near Charlottesville. LRC co-founder Bob Smither said he believes the weekend search for Harrington was more extensive than most community searches.

“Law enforcement and search teams have done wonderful jobs,” Smither said. “But to get thousands of people out there, you’re going to find more stuff than a few [would].”

“The best scenario is obviously if we found Morgan safe and sound, and the worst scenario is that we don’t find her,” Mr. Harrington said. “There’s almost nothing worse than not having closure.”

Article:
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2009/11/09/search-party-finds-no-new-clues-to-disappearance/
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Items found during Harrington search, but no leads
November 8, 2009
Updated: Monday, November 9, 2009 @ 10:33 a.m.
<snipped>
Volunteers in Charlottesville sacrificed their weekend to search for a missing Virginia Tech student. About 1,400 volunteers helped with the search.

State police say the search parties did recover various articles of discarded clothing and objects. But according to a news release, "None of those items has proven relevant to the case. Investigators are still continuing their efforts to pursue new leads as they come in from the tip line and through email."

Video: Volunteers wrap up three day search for Morgan Harrington (11/8) 1:53
http://www.wdbj7.com/global/Category.asp?c=168438&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4282860&flvUri=&thirdpartymrssurl=

Video: Hundreds Search Charlottesville Area For Morgan Harrington 1:52
http://www.wdbj7.com/global/Category.asp?c=168438&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4279195&flvUri=&thirdpartymrssurl=

Article:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11466902
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Harrington’s scheduled to appear on Dr. Phil
Published: November 9, 2009
Updated: November 9, 2009
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The Dr. Phil show was at the Harrington’s Roanoke County home Monday, taping a show scheduled to air Thursday at 4pm.

“I think it’s critical that we keep the story out there,“ Morgan’s father Dan Harrington said.

Video: Harrington’s scheduled to appear on Dr. Phil 2:07
http://www2.wsls.com/sls/video/detail/24876156-1edd-102d-bc4d-001ec92a4a0d/61119/

Article:
http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/harringtons_scheduled_to_appear_on_dr._phil/61073/

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momsbold1
11-09-2009, 04:07 PM
In response to inquiry about age of possible perp. We should look for planets peregrine for offender. If we exclude the modern planets, Saturn is peregrine in the 4th house (end of matters) in a very late degree. I would imagine this indicates an older person, quite a bit older, is involved in Morgans dissappearance.

Vaire

dreamweaver
11-09-2009, 04:55 PM
http://www2.wsls.com/sls/video/detail/ff1454a2-1c8d-102d-bc4d-001ec92a4a0d/60648

video about search and Sarah S, one of Morgan's friends speaks briefly.

krazykidz
11-09-2009, 05:27 PM
thank you vaire for your answer. that supports my thoughts about an older familiar man. also, the chart indicating that she was "betrayed" by someone that she knows can refer to this person in addition to the friends, i guess. just a possible scenario straight out of my head with no rumors, facts, or anything else to base it on. oh, i hope she is alive

Soulscape
11-09-2009, 09:04 PM
In response to inquiry about age of possible perp. We should look for planets peregrine for offender. If we exclude the modern planets, Saturn is peregrine in the 4th house (end of matters) in a very late degree. I would imagine this indicates an older person, quite a bit older, is involved in Morgans dissappearance.

Vaire


Vaire, I respectfully disagree. SATURN is Lord 8, Death.

Lord 1 MERCURY is Morgan, Lord 7, JUPITER in Aquarius, is the perp. He is somewhat older than Morgan, but not an old man. He is a stranger, a loner. Please see my post #17 on page 1 in this thread for further commentary.

Thanks,
Soulscape

nervous_nellie
11-09-2009, 10:16 PM
The Last Seen Chart does not reveal why she left the arena. What it does reveal was that she was in highly unstable frame of mind, unlikely to be able to make good decisions (her significator MERCURY close approaching critical degree -- 13 Cardinal -- and under the Sun Beams, Part of PERIL exact conjunct ASCENDANT and Part of DELUSION exact conjunct MOON).

Thanks,
Soulscape


hello Soulscape, (above bbm) for some reason this has been rolling around in my mind over and over: delusion, delusion, delusion ... what was she deluded about? in the sense that she was coming to realize that she had been of the belief of/about a "friend" that now is being revealed to her as a lie or some type of betrayal and she would be unable to make good decisions because she is in a rage, like flying off the handle? could you expound on this delusion that you speak of? i have such a sinking feeling about these friends that i have not been able to put my finger on ...:(

Soulscape
11-09-2009, 11:01 PM
hello Soulscape, (above bbm) for some reason this has been rolling around in my mind over and over: delusion, delusion, delusion ... what was she deluded about? in the sense that she was coming to realize that she had been of the belief of/about a "friend" that now is being revealed to her as a lie or some type of betrayal and she would be unable to make good decisions because she is in a rage, like flying off the handle? could you expound on this delusion that you speak of? i have such a sinking feeling about these friends that i have not been able to put my finger on ...:(


Sappho, an asteroid associated with friends, is posited at 11 Libra, close conjunct Morgan's significator MERCURY, 12:26 Libra, which, as you recall, is 34 minutes from critical degree (13 Cardinal), placing her in a most unstable and vulnerable state of mind. This asteroid placement is perhaps another clue that the friends may be key to figuring out what happened to Morgan.

The chart's SUN & MOON in the Via Combusta with MOON smack on the Part of Delusion could possibly indicate, as you suggest, some sort of meltdown over lies or betrayal, real or imagined. The SUN/MOON midpoint at 23 Libra is partile trine NEPTUNE 23 Aquarius. NEPTUNE is the classic significator of illusion/delusion/lies and betrayal. It is also the planet associated with drugs and all things addictive.

Thanks,
Soulscape

LetJusticePrevail
11-09-2009, 11:28 PM
Hope this is ok to post here. Dr. Phil's having an episode in which it seems to suggest Morgan and Somer's parents will talk about their experiences. I didn't post this to Somer's thread.

Below is the episode listing from his site

EDITED TO ADD...MORGAN'S PIC APPEARS ABOVE THE EPISODE OVERVIEW ON DR. PHILS SITE. TRIED TO INCLUDE HERE BUT IT JUST SHOWED A WHOLE BUNCH OF CODE. Sorry, I don't know how to get it to appear.

EpisodeTitle: Abducted by a Predator
Date: Thursday, Nov. 12
Time: Check for your local listing on his site

Episode Overview
It seems that every day we hear stories about women and children being abducted by strangers, and oftentimes never found live. Recent news stories include the disappearance of Morgan Harrington, a 20-year-old Virginia Tech student who went missing during a Metallica concert, and 7-year-old Somer Thompson who was kidnapped and murdered while walking home from school.

In exclusive interviews, the parents of the victims speak out about their emotional struggles.

Do you know the top methods predators use to lure women and children? And, are you posting information on social networking Web sites that could put you in danger?

Tune in to find out legal, forensic and defense experts' advice for spotting predators, avoiding abduction and fighting off attackers.

Link to show page http://drphil.com/shows/ (http://drphil.com/shows/)

momsbold1
11-09-2009, 11:30 PM
Soulscape,

We can agree to disagree, makes it more interesting that way, and I always love to learn new ways of looking at the chart. I tend to cookbook my charts out of Lilly, and that is how I arrived at my conclusion. Lilly referred to himself as a student of astrology, even as he was writing Christian Astrology. I too will always consider myself a student. I can see on the chart that you are following the trail from the 7th house of
"other", and that is also where I would go if there was no planet peregrine. Just another way of looking at the chart.
Still watching, still learning, and still praying for Morgan and her family............

nervous_nellie
11-09-2009, 11:55 PM
Sappho, an asteroid associated with friends, is posited at 11 Libra, close conjunct Morgan's significator MERCURY, 12:26 Libra, which, as you recall, is 4 minutes from critical degree (13 Cardinal), placing her in a most unstable and vulnerable state of mind. This asteroid placement is perhaps another clue that the friends may be key to figuring out what happened to Morgan.

The chart's SUN & MOON in the Via Combusta with MOON smack on the Part of Delusion could possibly indicate, as you suggest, some sort of meltdown over lies or betrayal, real or imagined. The SUN/MOON midpoint at 23 Libra is partile trine NEPTUNE 23 Aquarius. NEPTUNE is the classic significator of illusion/delusion/lies and betrayal. It is also the planet associated with drugs and all things addictive.

Thanks,
Soulscape


hello again Soulscape, thank you for replying so quickly ... my BIGGEST question then, the one that keeps tripping me up is WHY/HOW would the parents seem to support these friends if indeed they are lying about what happened? is there anything in the charts that sheds any light on the dynamics between the parents and the friends? TIA! nellie

Tuba
11-10-2009, 01:16 PM
That is a very good question that is troubling a lot of the concerned public but it is directed to Soulscape and she will answer it.

I thought I would complicate matters just that little bit more. Those who follow Christian Astrology by Wm. Lilly vs. contemporary astrologers like Barbara Watters and Ivy Goldstein Jacobson do not take the same view of peregrine. If a planet is in the same element of its rulership but not in fall, detriment or exaltation, it is considered very comfortable, at home and in its element. Therefore, Saturn which comes out of Capricorn would be in its element (Earth) in Capricorn, Taurus or Virgo and not peregrine. The Moon, if she were in Libra, would be peregrine because her element is Water. The Sun that night would not be peregrine because he was in his Fall. Mars that night would not be peregrine because he is in his element (Fire).

nervous_nellie
11-10-2009, 01:23 PM
That is a very good question that is troubling a lot of the concerned public but it is directed to Soulscape and she will answer it.

I thought I would complicate matters just that little bit more. Those who follow Christian Astrology by Wm. Lilly vs. contemporary astrologers like Barbara Watters and Ivy Goldstein Jacobson do not take the same view of peregrine. If a planet is in the same element of its rulership but not in fall, detriment or exaltation, it is considered very comfortable, at home and in its element. Therefore, Saturn which comes out of Capricorn would be in its element (Earth) in Capricorn, Taurus or Virgo and not peregrine. The Moon, if she were in Libra, would be peregrine because her element is Water. The Sun that night would not be peregrine because he was in his Fall. Mars that night would not be peregrine because he is in his element (Fire).

hello Tuba - i would love to hear your opinion as well! and you too Fifth ...

momsbold1
11-10-2009, 04:22 PM
Tuba,

I don't think your post complicates matters, it sheds incredible light upon the matter! This is why I love this forum. I have much to learn about the modern ways, and you have helped to point the best direction for me to proceed. Watters and Jacobsen it is, now I am off to find some books by these ladies on Amazon. Thank you so much.

Vaire

Knox
11-10-2009, 10:13 PM
Had to look up the meaning ...

Peregrine; Foreign, alien. Said of a planet posited in a sign where it possesses no essential dignity; where it is neither dignified nor debilitated and appears to operate almost independently of other planets.

http://www.astrocollege.com/campus/dictionary.cgi

dreamweaver
11-11-2009, 05:49 AM
Had to look up the meaning ...

Peregrine; Foreign, alien. Said of a planet posited in a sign where it possesses no essential dignity; where it is neither dignified nor debilitated and appears to operate almost independently of other planets.

http://www.astrocollege.com/campus/dictionary.cgi


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Thank goodness you did this. I had thought they were talking
about a symbol for the peregrine falcon.

Maybe because it is nearly 3am.

krazykidz
11-11-2009, 09:19 AM
thanks for the giggle dreamweaver

Angel Who Cares
11-12-2009, 10:53 AM
Local Valpak Helping Search Efforts for Missing Student
A local business owner says it's time to "amp up" the search for Morgan Harrington.
Posted: 8:56 PM Nov 10, 2009
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Tim Walker, the owner of Shenandoah Valley's Valpak, decided to create his own search campaign for Harrington.

He is putting a flier in each of his blue advertising envelopes that are dispersed monthly through the mail. That flier will reach 120,000 homes in Charlottesville and the Shenandoah Valley.

Valpak recipients should begin to see the fliers about Harrington in their mail beginning November 18.

Video: Valpak Fliers 00:47
http://ww2.whsv.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=4290095&h1=Valpak%20Fliers&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=52881&LaunchPageAdTag=News&fvCatNo=&backgroundImageURL=&activePane=info&rnd=83258664

Article:
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/69717017.html
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Morgan Harrington's Parents to Appear on Dr. Phil
While the search for Morgan Harrington continues, her parents are scheduled to talk about the case on the Dr. Phil show Thursday.
Posted: 5:50 PM Nov 11, 2009
<snipped>
Dan and Gil Harrington want to keep their daughter's disappearance in the media in the hope that someone will remember seeing her.

Last weekend, more then 1,600 people helped search for clues to her disappearance in and around the area where she was last seen.

There have been hundreds of leads, but no substantial information has been received.


Video: Harrington/Dr Phil 00:29
http://www.whsv.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4293088&flvUri=&thirdpartymrssurl=

Article:
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/69797607.html
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Dr. Phil Talks to Parents of Missing Woman, Morgan Harrington, and Mother of Murdered Somer Thompson
“We’re becoming a family of skeletons. Morgan, are you becoming a skeleton too?” – Dr. Phil reading from the journal of Gil Harrington, mother of a young woman missing after Metallica Concert
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: PRLog (Press Release)
Nov 11, 2009
<snipped>
They keep a heartbreaking, detailed diary of what they are feeling so that they can keep their daughter alive in their hearts, but Gil and Dan Harrington admit to Dr. Phil, in their first talk show appearance, that they are "preparing ourselves that our daughter may not have been abducted, but also murdered.” This special episode of DR. PHIL will be broadcast Thursday, November 12 (check local listings).

Dr. Phil's Blog:
http://blog.drphil.com/

Dr. Phil's Facebook:
http://facebook.com/drphilshow

Article:
http://www.prlog.org/10410184-dr-phil-talks-to-parents-of-missing-woman-morgan-harrington-and-mother-of-murdered-somer-thompson.html
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Parents embrace Web in Harrington search
Social networking sites are helping maintain interest in the search.
Thursday, November 12, 2009
<snipped>
The message from Gil Harrington, the normally soft-spoken mother of missing Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington, was precise, prickly, even a bit menacing: "I am starting to get angry. I am slow to anger, but once it takes hold I am relentless. I will tear apart this world to find Morgan and get this guy."

Geller, of the state police, said the use of social networking tools is good for investigators overall because "you can never have too much information." However, she noted, statements posted on message boards and on Facebook are often repeated as facts, and misinformation has a way of proliferating rapidly on the Internet. She said reporters who monitor the sites call her in an effort to verify bits of information, "and I spend my time chasing down rumors."

Web site for Morgan (The Web site also features links to a Facebook page devoted to finding Morgan Harrington, a Flickr page where myriad photos of the 20-year-old are available, RSS and Twitter feeds, and YouTube videos related to the missing woman. Findmorgan.com is now the number one Internet source for information on Harrington, according to Grabowski; meanwhile, the Facebook page has more than 26,500 friends and is signing up 1,000 new friends daily, and the Twitter feed has doubled since Levick's arrival. The agency has also dealt directly with Google and enlisted the aid of bloggers to publicize the hunt for Harrington.)
http://findmorgan.com/

Article:
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/225980
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Harrington parents appearing on ‘Dr. Phil’
Published: November 12, 2009
Updated: November 12, 2009
<snipped>
Talk show advice expert Dr. Phil interviewed the parents of missing student Morgan D. Harrington in an episode set to air at 3 p.m. today on NBC.

Article:
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/crime/article/harrington_parents_appearing_on_dr._phil/48752/
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Search for Morgan won’t take ‘anything for granted’
Published: November 9, 2009
Updated: November 10, 2009
<snipped>
Ms. Harrington’s disappearance has made her famous. She’s the subject of Internet conjecture where folks speculate that she is involved in a romantic liaison, suffering amnesia or the victim of an 18- to 35-year-old male sexual predator.

She’s the topic of psychic dreams involving letters and dates, license plates and car descriptions, and visions of the young woman alive but embarrassed by the media circus and afraid to come out of hiding. Others have predicted her demise through alcohol poisoning.

Her story is every parent’s nightmare. It’s the haunting source of worry for Norma Parson, a Daily Progress newspaper carrier who believes she saw Ms. Harrington on the Lawn at the University of Virginia the morning after she walked out of the concert.

“I was doing my papers at 3:45 in the morning [Oct. 18] and I was making a decision as to how I wanted to put the papers out,” Mrs. Parson recalled. “I noticed all of this noise going on to the right of me and I see this young lady, all in black with long blonde hair, and she was leaning against the wall with this tall boy with curly hair and two shorter boys nearby.”

It wasn’t the first time Mrs. Parson has seen a bunch of kids somewhat intoxicated and hanging out at too-dang-early on the Lawn. In fact, it’s a common occurrence, so she thought little about it.

“I turned to go up the steps to Pavilion V and I noticed as I put the papers in the mailbox that they were coming toward me,” Mrs. Parson recalled. “She was near me, not on the other side or in the middle, but she was next to me. I saw her face and I’m a painter and I draw faces when I can’t even see them, so I remember faces. It was hers.”

Still, she thought nothing of it. Remember, kids out too late — or early — aren’t rare on the Lawn and neither are Gothic vestments. But when she saw a picture of Morgan Harrington in the paper a few days later, she thought about it, a lot.

Mrs. Parson has told her story to police and local media and Ms. Harrington’s parents, but said she has heard nothing back from detectives. She said she has not been asked to pick out the boys she saw in a lineup, although she said she remembers their faces well.

Detectives said they checked out her story and are continuing to do so, but have not contacted her for further follow-up. That, they said, is standard procedure.

Article:
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/opinion/columnists_bryan_mckenzie/article/search_for_morgan_wont_take_anything_for_granted/48658/
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Internet Biggest Tool in Search for Missing Metallica Fan Morgan Harrington
Posted on Nov 12th 2009 10:00AM
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According to police, the Web has led to leads and angles the police may not have thought of. People, sitting at their computers, discussing the case, and what may have happened. The Virginia State Police have two agents assigned to perusing various sites in search of useful information. One woman, police said, wrote on Facebook that she had seen Harrington at a gas station in Orange County, and police checked into it but found nothing to corroborate the tip. Experts say the Harringtons are re-writing the playbook in missing children.

Article:
http://www.noisecreep.com/2009/11/12/internet-biggest-tool-in-search-for-missing-metallica-fan-morgan/

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Tuba
11-12-2009, 11:11 AM
The friends must have questioned their own judgment after the mystery of Morgan's whereabouts rolled out. Remember, the event chart for Dr. Harrington's report to police tells us personal protection, self-defense against probes for responsibility was the paramount priority for them. That is not as it should be when your friend is missing. The friends were her guests at this concert, just to add further obligation to see to her well being and safety. These days the admonition we hear everywhere is "Come from the heart!" But where were these supposed pals coming from, the fear in the solar plexus? It wasn't the seat of reason and they weren't even flying by the seat of their pants. I'm all right, Jack. Never mind about you!

When the Moon is conjunct the Sun for a New Moon and the significator of the subject (Morgan) is below the horizon, those designated, i.e. Moon, Sun, Mercury, are all considered in the dark. The situation is occluded, obscured, and there are particulars of the situation that need to be cleared up before an interpretation can be reliably delivered.

We know that the activity of the Moon in Libra is on the defensive, seeking to manage a peaceful solution. Something offended Morgan and the way her exchanges with the friends are being packaged, that distress and tribulation is omitted. Saturn was not with the friends; he is in a different Sign. He was, however, at the venue and he is a problem (always, in an event). He may simply be the doorkeeper who refused readmittance but he could also represent a music critic because he is in Virgo and comes from House 9 of publications and strangers, travelers.

Now, as to why the parents are supporting and praising the friends, it may be that they represent the only present link to Morgan and therefore must not be alienated. What can be readily seen in the Sunday chart (report to police) is that the friends hold hidden knowledge. That is the very significance of Pluto, who has place in their First House. The First House also holds intercepts: concealment and deception, as with House 7 from which House the Moon in her fall issues. When we have the UCS factor plus the acceptance of the parents, what we do not have is light on the subject.

salvarenga
11-12-2009, 11:40 AM
Tuba -

Just read your latest update very quickly so forgive me if I misunderstood you.....but are you saying that a music critic could be tied to her disappearance? I ask because on one of the sites I was reading the other night I came a across an online profile for someone that appeared to write for some type of magazine or online content type thing about various bands etc. Could this be relevant? If so, I will go back through my Internet history and find the links and forward them.

I apologize in advance if I misunderstood.

Sal

Tuba
11-12-2009, 12:07 PM
You didn't misunderstand but his contribution to the situation may have been an inappropriate remark or a slam on her that led to a "scene" with the friends. We do know that the gatekeeper, however much he simply adhered to policy and the rules, was indeed a source of causation for what eventuated. I wonder if a music critic--and surely some attended--could add any information to what we know.

pittsburghgirl
11-12-2009, 06:52 PM
There is a post on the regular thread that a crime blog is reporting that Morgan was seeing with UVA basketball players in the area where her things were found. (I won't name the blog because WS does not link to it.)

In addition, one UVA player, a star, has taken an "indefinite leave of absence" from the team. Of course, there may be no connection between that "leave" and Morgan's case, or the link might be that the LE interviews turned up some other activities, unrelated to Morgan, that suggested a leave was in order. But I recall Tuba writing some posts back about the university culture of silence around this case. Maybe it isn't just VT.

Tuba
11-12-2009, 08:10 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/ParsonsSighting001.jpg

Maybe you can blend the news you read with this sighting by a newspaper distributor

Yes, it is the college and university culture as a whole, UCS: university and college suppression. Yale was another example I cited. But it goes on all over the country.
We know from the sighting chart that Norma Parsons knew what she saw and reported it accurately. We have no proof that she was correct, only that she was strictly truthful. The Moon // Neptune and the mutual reception between Uranus and Neptune and the perfect inconjunct between Mars and Pluto make it very possible to mistake one person for another.

momsbold1
11-12-2009, 11:41 PM
Well, has anyone considered doing a chart for the 3:45 am timeframe when the paper carrier spots her at UV? If the police are not all over it, and it does not seem like they are, perhaps they have already ruled this sighting out, but what got my attention is that this lady is an artist, who is trained to look at faces, and she seems to feel strongly that this was Morgan. I tend not to do charts about events more than once, unless the time is proven to be wrong, but I have come here to learn, so I guess my question is:
Should we (is it valid, radical) to run another chart for this sighting?

Vaire

magic-cat
11-13-2009, 12:08 AM
Well, has anyone considered doing a chart for the 3:45 am timeframe when the paper carrier spots her at UV? If the police are not all over it, and it does not seem like they are, perhaps they have already ruled this sighting out, but what got my attention is that this lady is an artist, who is trained to look at faces, and she seems to feel strongly that this was Morgan. I tend not to do charts about events more than once, unless the time is proven to be wrong, but I have come here to learn, so I guess my question is:
Should we (is it valid, radical) to run another chart for this sighting?

Vaire
Hi there Vaire. Nice to meet you...
I, of course, will defer to the much wiser and more knowledgeable Soulscape and Tuba and several others here who have been here from the beginning, but I think it's a smashing good idea!

Tuba
11-13-2009, 10:13 AM
My friends, that is the very chart that is posted above your suggestions! The chart is marked 2:45 a.m. because daylight savings time was still in effect. This requires us to subtract one hour from the time on the newspaper distributor's watch or the clock she looked at. The only indicator that her statement would ever be contradicted is the Cardinal Moon, of all the possible counterweights.

Angel Who Cares
11-13-2009, 02:40 PM
Investigators believe Morgan Harrington was hitchhiking on the night she disappeared
November 13, 2009
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Investigators now believe Morgan Harrington was hitchhiking in the area of Copeley Road Bridge in Charlottesville the night she disappeared.

Harrington went missing during a Metallica concert at the John Paul Jones Arena on the University of Virginia campus on October 17th.

Authorities are asking if anyone recalls seeing a young woman hitchhiking that night on or near the bridge to call or email police.
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Here is the full news release:
STATE AND LOCAL POLICE STILL SEEK PUBLIC’S AID IN LOCATING MORGAN HARRINGTONRICHMOND – As the search and investigative efforts continue for missing college student Morgan Harrington, state and local investigators are now able to release additional details concerning the night of her disappearance. Miss Harrington disappeared Oct. 17, 2009, during a Metallica concert at the John Paul Jones Arena on the University of Virginia (UVA) campus in Charlottesville, Va.

During the course of the investigation, police have been able to establish a timeline of Miss Harrington’s movements once she ended up outside of the arena at approximately 8:30 p.m. After talking to her friends on her cell phone, she then walked through the parking lot of University Hall and was also seen in the Lannigan Field athlete parking lot, which is also used for RV parking. At around 9:30 p.m., she was seen walking on the Copeley Road bridge near Ivy Road.

Based on independent witness accounts, investigators are confident that Miss Harrington was hitchhiking for a ride while on the Copeley Road bridge. If anyone recalls seeing a young woman hitchhiking that night on or near the Copeley Road bridge, then they are asked to please contact police by phone or email. Anyone who might remember seeing a vehicle randomly stopped in the roadway on Copeley Road bridge that night is also asked to contact investigators. Investigators are also hoping to hear from anyone who might have loaned their cell phone to a young woman fitting Miss Harrington’s description to make a call that night.

In addition to Miss Harrington’s black T-shirt with the word “Pantera” spelled out in tan letters, black mini-skirt, black tights, and knee-high black boots, she was wearing a distinctive necklace. It is a Swarovski Crystal necklace made up of large crystal chain links. She is 5 feet 6 inches tall and weighs approximately 120 pounds with blond hair and blue eyes.

The search and investigation are still being actively pursued by Virginia State Police, University of Virginia Police, Charlottesville Police, Albemarle County Police and the FBI. The public has generated close to 400 leads in the case. Anyone can call the Virginia State Police Tip Line at (434) 352-3467 or email State Police at bci-appomattox@vsp.virginia.gov. UVA Police can be reached at (434) 924-7166. Anonymous tips are welcome.

Also accepting tips is the Jefferson Area Crime Stoppers at 434-977-4000. A reward of $150,041 is available for information that leads to the location and recovery of Miss Harrington.
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Morgan Harrington was wearing a distinctive necklace. It is a Swarovski Crystal necklace made up of large crystal chain links.
http://wdbj.images.worldnow.com/images/11499793_BG2.jpg

Article:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11499793
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Missing Metallica Fan Morgan Harrington Story Featured on 'Dr. Phil'
Posted on Nov 13th 2009 10:30AM
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"We don't know if she met someone in the bathroom, if she took a wrong door, if she went out to smoke," Gil told the good doctor; Morgan had quit smoking six months ago, so that would be out of character for her. "That's why we're trying to get information, because someone saw something or has a piece that will make things click into focus for us and give the investigation new force."

The Harringtons think it's strange Morgan would say she'd find an alternate way home. "I think it's very unusual for Morgan," Dan explains. "It's very confusing to me as to why she would say that she would find another ride home," as she lived 45 minutes from the venue. "None of this makes any sense, and it doesn't seem that this is behavior that Morgan would typically do."

Meanwhile, Morgan Harrington appears on this week's cover of People magazine. The magazine will retell her story, and hopefully bring more awareness to the case.

Article:
http://www.noisecreep.com/2009/11/13/missing-metallica-fan-morgan-harrington-story-featured-on-dr-p/
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Hitchhiking: Missing Morgan Harrington sought a ride
published 11:52am Friday Nov 13, 2009
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“We now can confirm that she was hitchhiking,” says Geller, noting that Harrington, who had been stuck outside the John Paul Jones Arena after she was denied reentry and had told friends by cellphone that she’d find her own way home, was allegedly seen by multiple witnesses on both sides of the bridge.

Harrington’s purse and battery-less cell phone were found Sunday morning, October 18 in the Lannigan Field overflow parking lot, also known as the RV Lot, which is used by athletes when large events are held in the Arena.

According to several sources, members of UVA’s men’s basketball team were among the last to see Harrington in the grassy, tree-shrouded parking area. Emails sent to numerous team members were forwarded to UVA spokesperson Carol Wood, who directed the inquiry to State Police, but Geller declines comment on the identity of any witnesses.


http://www.readthehook.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/news-findmorgan-bridge-memorial-med-325x243.jpg

Article:
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/11/13/hitchhiking-missing-morgan-harrington-still-missing-sought-a-ride/
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Timeline, other new details in Harrington case
November 13, 2009
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During the course of the investigation, police have been able to establish a timeline of Miss Harrington’s movements once she ended up outside of the arena at approximately 8:30 p.m. After talking to her friends on her cell phone, she then walked through the parking lot of University Hall and was also seen in the Lannigan Field athlete parking lot, which is also used for RV parking. At around 9:30 p.m., she was seen walking on the Copeley Road bridge near Ivy Road.

Based on independent witness accounts, investigators are confident that Miss Harrington was hitchhiking for a ride while on the Copeley Road bridge. If anyone recalls seeing a young woman hitchhiking that night on or near the Copeley Road bridge, then they are asked to please contact police by phone or email. Anyone who might remember seeing a vehicle randomly stopped in the roadway on Copeley Road bridge that night is also asked to contact investigators. Investigators are also hoping to hear from anyone who might have loaned their cell phone to a young woman fitting Miss Harrington’s description to make a call that night.

Article:
http://augustafreepress.com/2009/11/13/timeline-other-new-details-in-harrington-case/
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Morgan Harrington Featured on PEOPLE Magazine Cover
Missing VT Student Featured In Profile
Updated: 9:38 AM Nov 13, 2009
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Harrington was last seen in Charlottesville on the Copeley Road Bridge after leaving the John Paul Jones Arena during a Metallica concert October 17th. Her purse was found in a grassy RV parking area near JPJ the next day.

The NCMEC’s switchboard has been reignited with tips on long-dormant cases since the news of Dugard’s return was reported, with parents of the missing continuing to chase every lead long after law enforcement teams wind down their searches. They post more fliers; they set up Web sites; they hunt for overlooked clues. “It creates a kind of suspended animation for these families,” says NCMEC president Ernie Allen. “It hovers over.'

Check out the attached documents to read the article. The magazine is on sale Friday, November 13th.

The attached pictures and articles are courtesy of PEOPLE Magazine.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/reviewpics/morganpeople.jpg

VIDEO: Morgan Harrington Profiled in PEOPLE Magazine
http://www.newsplex.com/video?clipID=4296200&autoStart=true&contentID=69869392

PDF PEOPLE Article on Missing Persons
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/harrington+people2.pdf

PDF PEOPLE Article on Missing Persons cont.
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/harrington+people3.pdf

Article:
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/69869392.html
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Abducted by a Predator
November 12, 2009
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Dr. Dan and Gil Harrington’s 20-year-old daughter, Morgan, a college student with a bright future at Virgina Tech, suddenly vanished during a Metallica rock concert. They join Dr. Phil to share an update on Morgan’s case. Learn how you can help find the young woman.

Video: Dr Phil~The Show: Abducted by a Predator
http://www.drphil.com/shows/video/?XMLPath=%2Fvideo.xml%2F%3FShowID%3D1349%26Type%3D Show

Learn the top five most important things you can do to protect your child.
http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/623

Dr. Phil shares his thoughts on every parent's worst nightmare
http://blog.drphil.com/2009/11/11/the-great-parental-nightmare/

Transcript: Desperate for Help
"None of this makes any sense, and it doesn’t seem that this is behavior that Morgan would typically do.”
http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/5398/?id=5398&showID=1349

Transcript: Internet Stalker
Ashley says someone has assumed her identity and pretends to be her online, carrying on explicit chats with her friends, family and even employers. Internet safety specialist Lori Getz has tips for Ashley — and you — for keeping your information safe on the Internet. And, Karen is a mother to twin girls and is worried sick about their safety when they go to college next year.
http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/5399/?id=5399&showID=1349

Transcript: Abducted on the Street
Seven-year-old Somer Thompson was abducted while walking home from school. After a massive search, her body was discovered 50 miles from her home in Florida. Her mom, Diena, says she’s fired up and on a quest to find her daughter’s killer.
http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/5400/?id=5400&showID=1349

Video: Self-Defense for Children
Tracie Arlington, an instructor with Play It Safe Defense, teaches children how to defend themselves from predators. One of her students shows another girl and your children how to self-protect against an attack.
http://www.drphil.com/videos/?Url=/house/flv/8051_1.flv&background=header_drphil_video.jpg

Transcript: Experts Weigh In
Forensic psychiatrist Dr. Eraka Bath reveals what goes on in the mind of a predator. And, Robin Sax, a former sex crimes prosecutor with the Los Angeles District Attorney’s office and author of It Happens Every Day, shares insider stories.
http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/5402/?id=5402&showID=1349

Video: What You Didn't See
Dr. Phil and his experts continue the discussion with the audience. Find out the warning signs to watch for in spotting a predator.
http://www.drphil.com/videos/?Url=/house/flv/8051_2.flv&background=header_drphil_video.jpg

Related Links
Is Your Child Being Groomed by a Predator?
http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/526

Sexual Predator Warning Signs
http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/266

Teach Your Kids about ''Stranger Danger''
http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/265

Missing Persons Resources
http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/511

Top Five Tips for Preventing Child Abduction
http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/577

Missing
http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/684/

Pursuing the Predator: Internet Investigations
http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/1217/

Child Predators
http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/48/

Internet Safety Resources
http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/552

Protect Your Children from Internet Pedophiles
http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/166

Monitor Your Child's Cell Phone and Internet Activity
http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/603

Tips to Keep Your Kids Safe Online
http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/590

How Your Online Profile Could Sabotage Your Future
http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/556

FBI Cyber Division Tips for Protecting Your Child Online
http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/542

Article:
http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/1349

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momsbold1
11-13-2009, 03:58 PM
Well, I completely missed the post with the 2:45 am chart, and that is what I get for
reading these boards in the middle of the night.

Thank you!

Vaire

arielilane
11-13-2009, 05:19 PM
What an amazing young lady Morgan is.

Below is Morgan’s Christmas letter to her dad, Dan Harrington. Click link to open up the PDF Document!
http://www.findmorgan.com/letter.pdf (http://www.findmorgan.com/letter.pdf)

Tuba
11-13-2009, 06:52 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/HitchhikingonCopeleyBridge001.jpg

In this adjusted Last Seen for Morgan connecting to a ride on Copeley Bridge, Pluto is holding a position in House 7 quincunx Mars with both those planets ruling the House of favors and service, H. 6. Mars in the first quadrant always means there is trouble coming up, as here. Transport, commuting, travel, rides, going from place to place is located at House 3, ruled by the Sun, party to a Moon Wobble. The climactic moment in Morgan being marooned at U. VA. came at 9:54 p.m. Crisis degrees isolate the person, frustrate her and thrust her into a struggle against hindering circumstances. The Outcome House, 4, is also at crisis 4° Virgo. Pluto too is critical at 0° and this greatly augments the strength of his inconjunct or quincunx to Mars. The inconjunct is an aspect of imposition and here it is the will to aggress that is being imposed. With it comes struggle and strenuous exertion; conflict and injury are a grave danger. What is threatened is coercion. The fact that Mars and Mercury are in quintile relationship only adds to the persistence in gaining submission and control.

Mercury ruling the ASC and Morgan is applying to a trine with Jupiter in House 9, indicators for seeking transportation to a distant neighborhood from a stranger. (H. 9 is strangers; H. 9 is neighborhoods or locales at a distance.)

magic-cat
11-14-2009, 10:06 AM
Oh my God that letter to her dad was so sweet...she really thought a lot of her dad! I note in the letter she speaks of a "low point" in her own life and how he helped her feel better and of his love for her "mistakes and all". I am wondering if these mistakes have anything to do with why she changed schools in her senior year and what the nature of the "mistakes" was? I know we ALL make mistakes, big and small...and I do not wonder simply out of curiosity...I wonder if it is something that came back to haunt her, or if those mistakes took her down an unexpected road, perhaps where she may have encountered the wrong type of individuals? Or if those mistakes were in the more recent past and could potentially shed light on what is happening NOW...

I am so worried about Morgan. I wish the very best for her and for her family. They are obviously good people.

Tuba
11-14-2009, 11:56 AM
Due to circumstances, the way past mistakes could impinge on the events of October 17 would be through attitudes she developed in the light of her mistakes. Students and people her age commenting on this case talk about how common it is to hitchhike and are nonochalant about her being alone and isolated at night in the safe communities of this valley. What an entirely false sense of security and safety! Did she adopt it due to peer pressure? One thing we can infer from the young voices on the web is that the situation was normal for them and sounds no alarums whatsoever. That is way out and beyond naive.

In no chart on this case is there a "skeleton in the closet". It shows up in bold black headline print in a chart on D.D. in the Cornwell case but nothing at all in Morgan's background. Therefore, her mistakes are of the order we all make growing up. Whatever the accumulation of foolish or bad deeds, they left her with recklessness about her person and many her age share this lack of rudimentary caution. The learning experience that brings us from birth to adulthood is failing these kids.

Tuba
11-14-2009, 02:21 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/UVAPoliceTakeReport001.jpg

You can see from the degrees and minutes of the involved heavenly bodies that time was of the essence. It is not only unfortunate that the concert goers failed to assure themselves that their friend returned safely to base but knowing she did not could have saved her life.

21merc7
11-14-2009, 04:56 PM
Tuba;

You put it all into words better than I could try. I don't know how to educate the young enough, however, I do know all of the serial killers of hitchhikers (or all of them regardless of hitchhiking) should be a class given in what is now "Middle School', or junior high as I knew it, perhaps by 6th grade. In fact, any shocking (and I mean shock) knowledge would help. I just don't know. I am not an educator. (Your post before this last that I am responding to told me just what I thought. Wish I knew how to help them all.)

travelgal
11-14-2009, 06:09 PM
What an amazing young lady Morgan is.

Below is Morgan’s Christmas letter to her dad, Dan Harrington. Click link to open up the PDF Document!
http://www.findmorgan.com/letter.pdf (http://www.findmorgan.com/letter.pdf)

Morgan's note to her Dad is so precious and now very comforting to Dr Harrington I am sure. My heart and prayers go out to her mother and father and I hope she is located very soon! Did I hear that Morgan also has a brother or am I confused.

Thank you Tuba, et al for all of your wisdom and insights.

Skully
11-14-2009, 06:26 PM
I was wondering if it is possible that she was hit by a car and killed? If the person was drinking and driving, maybe they panicked and got rid of the body instead of reporting it.... Just throwing it out, don't know if that could be one scenario.

Tuba
11-14-2009, 06:27 PM
Yes, brother Alexander.

Angel Who Cares
11-14-2009, 07:18 PM
Harrington's Mom Questions Hitchhiking Claim
Updated: 3:08 PM Nov 14, 2009
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Virginia state police say Morgan Harrington may have been hitchhiking when she was last seen on the Copeley Road bridge, after leaving a Metallica concert, but Morgan's mother says that would be extremely unusual behavior for her daughter.

In a telephone interview, Gil Harrington said she had never known of her daughter trying to catch a ride with a stranger.

Article:
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/70108012.html
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Today Show Video: Parents plea for missing daughter
Nov. 14: It’s been nearly a month since Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington went missing. NBC’s Amy Robach sits down with Morgan’s parents Dan & Gil.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/33929756#33929756
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Harrington's Parents on the Today Show
Posted: Nov 14, 2009 6:24 PM EST
Updated: Nov 14, 2009 7:31 PM EST
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Gil Harrington stated, "None of this makes sense. It doesn't make sense that our daughter is missing - snatched from her life, abducted or possibly murdered."

Police say Morgan would have been seen wearing a necklace like the one pictured here. It is an unusual and expensive Swarovski crystal necklace made up of large chain links. It was a gift from her brother.

Gil Harrington said, “There are not thousands of them out there. It's unique like my daughter. We want her to come back home."

Video Report: Harrington's Parents on Today Show 2:04
http://www.nbc29.com/global/Category.asp?C=175568&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4302258&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

Video: Police Say Harrington seen Hitchiking 0:32
http://www.nbc29.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=4300458&at1=News&h1=Police Say Harrington Seen Hitchiking&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

Article:
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11506290

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pittsburghgirl
11-15-2009, 05:45 PM
The learning experience that brings us from birth to adulthood is failing these kids.

Yes, indeed, Tuba. These kids walk around in their electronic cocoons, with their earbuds blocking the outside world, and the cell phone giving them a false sense of security and connectedness. All their technology APPEARS to expand their world, but actually it contracts it to the people they text and call, the people on Facebook. They have less and less real-world, face-to-face practice at reading people and situations.

Angel Who Cares
11-16-2009, 01:15 PM
Social media drive interest in missing-person cases
Published: November 15, 2009
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The disappearance of Mechanicsville teenager Theresa Marie Meadows languished in relative obscurity from the time she vanished in September 2004 -- until she was located alive last week in South Carolina.

On the flip side, the case of missing 20-year-old Virginia Tech student Morgan Dana Harrington has received intense state and national attention since she disappeared Oct. 17 after a Metallica concert in Charlottesville. A three-day search last weekend involved more than 500 volunteers.

Statewide, thousands of missing young people under the age of 21 are added yearly to Virginia's Missing Children Clearinghouse, a list maintained by Virginia State Police under state law. Of the 493 people on the list last Friday, 405 were reported missing in 2009.

WEB RESOURCES
Information about the case of missing Virginia Tech student Morgan Dean Harrington
http://www.findmorgan.com/

For a statewide list of missing children, visit Virginia’s Missing Children’s Clearinghouse
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/MissingChildren.shtm

For a list of missing adults in Virginia
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/MissingPersons.shtm

Article:
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/crime/article/MISS15_20091114-221806/305776/
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*NOTE: Much much more info in article!

Concerned witnesses: Before hitching, Morgan Harrington caused worry
published 5:00am Sunday Nov 15, 2009
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Outside the Arena, another concertgoer says he was on the southeast side of the building waiting for late-arriving friends to meet him around 9pm when he heard a “commotion” at an entrance.

“It was some shouting,” says the 44-year-old man who’d traveled from Fredericksburg to Charlottesville and who asked not to be identified because of the high profile nature of the case. Moments after the shouting stopped, he says, a young woman with long blond hair and dressed all in black— including, he says, a black Pantera t-shirt like the one Morgan was reportedly wearing— approached him, put her arm out, bent, as though to walk arm in arm with him, and said, “Let’s go.”

Waiting for his friends and concerned that her behavior seemed “unusual,” he says, he declined and turned to walk away. The young woman responded, he says, by cursing at him and kicking him.

“She told me I should call the police and report her,” he says. “Now I wish I had.” The concertgoer says he reported the encounter to police on Monday, October 18, when he learned of the disappearance.

Minutes later, another witness says, a woman resembling Morgan was walking across the street with several companions

One possible witness has been speaking publicly, in part, she says, because she doesn’t believe investigators have fully followed her lead.

“I know what I saw,” says Norma Parson, a newspaper delivery woman who believes she saw Morgan– or an incredible lookalike— coming out of a room on UVA’s West Lawn at 3:45am October 18, six hours after the last confirmed sighting on Copeley Bridge.

Among several leads police haven’t been able to rule out at this time, says Geller, is a possible sighting of Morgan around 10am on Sunday morning, October 18, at the Sheetz gas station in Orange. An online poster using the name Karen55 on blogs dedicated to Morgan’s disappearance describes seeing a slightly disheveled young woman with long blond hair, dressed in all black, exiting the store and then standing outside the store near a trash can. Notably, she says online, the young woman’s t-shirt bore the name of the band Pantera— she noticed, she wrote, because her daughter wanted a Pantech Matrix phone and she initially looked closer to see if those were the words.

A Sheetz manager confirms police reviewed all surveillance at the store and spokesperson Geller says that police dispatched an agent the same day they got that tip. While there was no sign of Morgan on the video police reviewed, Gellar admits they can’t rule it out and are waiting for further information that would confirm that sighting or any others that seem plausible.

Article:
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/11/15/concerned-witnesses-before-hitching-morgan-harrington-caused-worry/
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Almost one month since Morgan Harrington's disappearance
November 15, 2009
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Since then, state police and volunteers have spent countless hours searching for her and retracing her last-known steps.

Last week, investigators said they believed Harrington was hitchhiking the night she disappeared.

Currently there's a reward fund totaling $150,000 dollars for her safe return.

Article:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11510288
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Missing Metallica Fan Search Continues
November 16, 2009 - 9:23 AM
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The band Metallica played another sold out show at Madison Square Garden in New York City on Sunday -- for the second of a two night tear for the hard rockers.

Fans once again lined up around the block, wearing the band's t-shirts, chanting the band's name hoping to hear their favorite song once inside. There was a reminder of a desperate search for one of their own. The brother of missing Morgan Harrington held a candlelight vigil outside the arena to let others know his sister is still gone, and there is a 150-thousand dollar reward out there to help find her and bring her home.

He was also there to thank the band members of Metallica for offering up 50-thousand dollars towards that reward that will hopefully spark someone to come forward with information in the case. Lead singer James Hetfield called Morgan's father as soon as he heard about her disappearance, and offered the band's financial help, and posted the information on it's website.

Article:
http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/11/16/missing-metallica-fan-search-continues/?test=latestnews
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Finding Morgan through Valpak
Posted: 12:03 PM Nov 16, 2009
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Morgan's father, Dan Harrington, says he didn't even know Valpak had plans to distribute the fliers, until recently.

"We were pretty floored that even in Charlottesville, there were people that didn't know this. So this is one other way to raise awareness. This is something that will be going out to thousands of people's homes," says Harrington.

Harrington also says he and his wife will be going to Charlottesville Tuesday, to pass out 5-thousand bumper stickers and fliers.

Video: Mom Questions Hitchhiking Claim 0:27
http://www.whsv.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4302982&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

Article:
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/70196887.html
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Video: Harrington Search Focuses on Calls, Ride
http://cfc.wjla.com/videoondemand.cfm?id=52952

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Angel Who Cares
11-17-2009, 12:25 PM
Police: Body found in Roanoke as missing Va. Tech student case continues
Published: November 17, 2009
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Update: State police now say they don’t believe it’s the body of Harrington, according to the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

As the case of a missing Virginia Tech student entered into its second month, authorities today are investigating the discovery of a body in Roanoke.

Authorities said a body discovered near Norfolk Southern railroad tracks shortly after daybreak in Roanoke appeared to be that of a female.

Roanoke police detectives and a medical examiner were called to the scene.

Virginia State Police, the lead agency investigating the disappearance of Morgan Dana Harrington, was aware of this morning’s discovery and was looking into the matter, agency spokeswoman Corinne Geller said. Geller said she had no other details.

Shortly after Harrington’s disappearance, a body was found along the Blue Ridge Parkway outside Asheville, N.C., and a badly burned female body was found Sunday, this time in Kings Mountain State Park in South Carolina. In each case, authorities found no indication it was Harrington.

Article:
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/crime/article/police_body_found_in_roanoke_as_missing_va._tech_s tudent_case_continues/48996/
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Police: body found under Wasena ruled suicide
Published: November 17, 2009
Updated: November 17, 2009
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Roanoke police say the body of a woman was found under the Wasena Bridge near the railroad tracks Tuesday morning.

According to a police spokesperson, it appears the cause of death was suicide.

It is generally not WSLS policy to report on suicides, but we chose to tell you about this story, because it was in a public place where many of you bike, run, or pass by on your way to work.

Roanoke police say they will be sending out a news release shortly.

Article:
http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/police_body_found_under_wasena_ruled_suicide/63016/

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momsbold1
11-18-2009, 08:14 AM
I would like to propose a scenario, and get opinions from the board regarding my story, and how it may, (or may not) fit in the chart. Suppose that Morgan was intox, maybe under the influence of a drug. Many "witnesses" have stated that she was wobbling when she walked, crying in the bathroom, kicking at someone outside, hitchhiking, etc, all which seems very out of character. None of us can seem to make sense of what could have happened. I have been to many concerts, and never but never have I seen a lone female in the bathroom. And all the confusion about the purse? Never would I willingly leave my bag behind, I was thinking to myself that she must have done a brain swap with an idiot and then it dawned on me. AMS!!!! The medical term for altered mental status. Often when a patient comes into an ER with confusion, unsteady gait, manic outbursts/uncontrolled crying, they are given the label AMS, and CT studies of the brain are performed to evaluate the brain, checking for a CVA (cerebral vascular accident). Remember Natasha Neeson? Banged her head skiing, got up on her own power, was laughing and joking around, but died a couple of hours later. Morgan had a facial injury! Could this have started a cerebral event that was bound to kill her? It would explain alot. She ended up outside because she became disoriented and confused about where she was. Roaming around, trying to find a way home because friends (and her) are making a series of stupid choices and decisions. She loses her purse, may not even realize she does not have it! Puts her thumb up and gets a ride. Hops in the car, and it can go one of two ways from there. First, a bad guy(s) does horrible things to her and then kills her, or she gets picked up by some young person(s) that do not intend harm, are taking her back to her place, and she dies of the head injury on the way. They panic, and dump her body out of the car. The chart in my opinon, could support the second scenario as well as the first. For me, I just can't see Jupiter in the 9th as a bad guy. It would fit in with Caput in the 12th also. Please let me know what you think. If I am right, they should look closer to Morgans apartment. Real close. They may have thought she was asleep, and did not try to wake her till they got there. If I was LE, I would start at that apartment, and walk a grid from there. IMHO

Vaire

Tuba
11-18-2009, 11:50 AM
The accounts volunteered from October 17 are thin, contradictory and questionable, so the public and Websleuths reserve judgment but certain concert goers claim to see Morgan take a header inside, abrupt with all the weight to her face. If that observation is true, she well could have suffered more than a chin abrasion.

One identification we have is Morgan as Mercury that night and Mercury was parallel Uranus. That is so powerful, acting just as would a conjunction and representing a jar to the mental circuitry. Some Uranian affect could have come from the excitement, crowd stimuli and amp blast of the rock bands and of course, everyone felt that. Add the shock from her fall and possible forceful jolt in Morgan's case.

Those people who parked and walked and saw Morgan describe her belligerence and I see it in her Sun transited by Mars that night. My own belief is that she was fully edged when she left her friends in their seats and that they are packaging a version for the parents and the authorities that distorts and omits much.

We also know the Moon was parallel Neptune but we do not know about her intake. Neptune may be the confusion itself rather than any drink or drug.

Once she acted on her promise or threat to find her own ride home, the planet Pluto waits in House 7 and he is a unit with Mars, both at 0°, Mars being the trouble that will arise. For me, her Mercury trine to Jupiter has always been her desire to find a ride home. The New Moon Wobble occurs before the trine can be perfected and the Sun represents her transportation and movement, House 3.

All of this to say, yes, Morgan may well have been in an altered mental state from her fall. She certainly was not herself emotionally. I think it's good that you are allowing your imagination free rein. It is the spinners who are trying to constrain that. Good to see that effort fail.

beckaroozie
11-18-2009, 03:16 PM
I had that one in my litany of questions too. Maybe it speaks to WHO drove Morgan's car? Why didn't Morgan drive her own car and hold her own keys? Not judging or disputing here; just trying to get an answer. We're all concerned.

tia
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I know that some groups of young people will have an appointed designated driver who's not drinking. Maybe the person who had her keys was the designated driver, and she wasn't in the condition to drive herself anywhere? The thing that puzzles me is that she was going to 'get a ride' somewhere and leave her friends and car at the venue. That's odd. I wonder where she told her friends she was 'getting a ride' to? Could she have argued with the person who had her keys because he wouldn't give them to her due to her condition?

FifthEssence
11-18-2009, 04:28 PM
Sooooo good to see you again BECK! :)

Angel Who Cares
11-19-2009, 05:08 PM
Missing Virginia Tech student disappeared one month ago today
November 17, 2009
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While the Harrington's struggle with their pain, they hold onto each other and hold onto hope.

"How do you mourn?" asks Dan, "How do you not only mourn, but hold out hope?"

"You feel like you're quitting on Morgan if you start that mourning, grief process, that you've given up by now. I'm not ready to concede that Morgan is not alive in the world somewhere, I just can't," says Gil

Raw Video: Extended Interview With Morgan Harrington's Parents 4:32
http://www.wdbj7.com/global/Category.asp?c=168438&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4309158&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

Video: Missing Virginia Tech student disappeared one month ago today (11/17)1:56
http://www.wdbj7.com/global/Category.asp?c=168438&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4309635&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

Article:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11524491
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One Month Mark Since Morgan Harrington Disappeared
Updated: 10:26 PM Nov 17, 2009
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On the one-month anniversary of her daughter's disappearance, Morgan Harrington's mother released a new statement about her search and state police are trying to refute rumors about a woman's body that was found in Roanoke.

On the one-month anniversary of her daughter's disappearance, Morgan Harrington's mother released a new statement about her search and state police are trying to refute rumors about a woman's body that was found in Roanoke.

Virginia State Police say, based on a description and other evidence, the body that was found is that of another woman.

Video: Morgan Harrington Latest 0:49
http://www.whsv.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4309632&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

Article:
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/70325837.html
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Who Is Morgan Harrington?
CBS 6's Catie Beck travels to Roanoke to learn more about the girl behind the headlines.
November 17, 2009
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CBS 6 travelled to Roanoke late last week. A parade of yellow ribbons surrounded the Harrington home and the car windows of nearby neighbors have become homegrown rolling billboards.

But when Dan Harrington gets home, he says his heart sinks a little. Not because of ribbons or windows inscriptions, "I see her car outside and just for a minute there's just this thought - oh Morgan is... and then you realize that she's not (home)."

"The prospect that you may never see your daughter again is probably one of the most painful things that a parent could have."

The day Morgan went missing the Harrington's packed a bag of her fresh clothes to take with them to the police station. They remain in the car.

"If you take them out, you're quitting on her, and we can't quit on her - you know?" Gill continues, "We're not going to quit on her."

Video: Who Is Morgan Harrington? 11/18/09 4:12
http://www.wtvr.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=bc9a7443-4475-4227-a6f6-cc130fc5d146&cat=9582a3f8-b706-48b0-aacd-d550b78bcabe&src=front&title=Who Is Morgan Harrington?

Raw Video: Harrington Interview Part 1: 2:44
http://www.wtvr.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=8ee22c34-3542-47a8-9996-dbcd32c0dea9&src=front

Raw Video: Harrington Interview Part 2: 11/18/09 3:09
http://www.wtvr.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=be000e57-5632-473f-880c-bfc5ede3f6e7&src=front

Raw Video: Harrington Interview Part 3: 1:57
http://www.wtvr.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=f99b6751-a979-40ac-9593-b83f14e69345&src=front

Raw Video: Harrington Interview Part 4: 2:23
http://www.wtvr.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=3f74fc08-5902-4f97-a210-231ded200ed2&src=front

Raw Video: Harrington Interview Part 5: 1:54
http://www.wtvr.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=94e9abad-0e6e-4134-88ba-ee6e4e068257&src=front

Raw Video: Harrington Interview Part 6: 2:06
http://www.wtvr.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=96b53d7d-38c4-4d1c-8e8c-ce98b485737c&src=front

Raw Video: Harrington Interview Part 7: 2:01
http://www.wtvr.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=bf84efaf-485b-4970-9c57-0886ff39b681&src=front

Raw Video: Harrington Interview Part 8: 2:20
http://www.wtvr.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=6dc1f13c-04c4-47a1-a0c2-b11b677ed6e5&src=front

Raw Video: Harrington Interview Part 9: 2:49
http://www.wtvr.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=e1afdbd1-741f-409d-b842-17142e752d99&src=front

Raw Video: Harrington Interview Part 10: 1:32
http://www.wtvr.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=de698685-935a-49ff-ab06-2605cd680e11&src=front

Video: Parents of Missing Virginia Tech Student Announce New Search Plans 1:52
http://www.wtvr.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=09eb66e5-c9f3-4857-a87f-4a47dda555b7&cat=empty&src=front

Video: Mark On The Missing National Attention 2:42
http://www.wtvr.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=113be447-6d41-42b1-9212-f173e19f9b05&cat=9582a3f8-b706-48b0-aacd-d550b78bcabe&src=front&title=Mark On The Missing National Attention

Article:
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-morgan-harrington-story,0,1260432.story
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Harrington's Mother Blogs About Her Experience
Posted: Nov 17, 2009 11:37 PM EST
Updated: Nov 18, 2009 12:10 PM EST
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Spokesperson Corinne Geller says the search and investigation into the 20-year-old's October 17th disappearance continue. Nearly 500 leads have come in on the case.

Morgan’s mom Gil blogged about managing the emotions of her missing daughter, who has been missing for one month now.

She says if you let the loss ruin your life you let the guys who snatched Morgan win, you let evil win, and that she cannot let that happen.

Mrs. Harrington goes on to say that her planned circumscribed picture of a life has been fractured, but the shards can be rearranged into a mosaic. Different, but still beautiful and precious.

Video: Gil Harrington Blogs About Her Experience 0:42
http://www.nbc29.com/global/Category.asp?C=175568&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4310844&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

Article:
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11526319
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ValPak Franchise Owner Helping in Search for Morgan Harrington
Posted: Nov 18, 2009 4:49 PM EST
Updated: Nov 18, 2009 5:04 PM EST
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A man the Harrington’s have never met is doing what he can to keep hope alive, that's because 23-years ago, he found himself facing the same kind of pain. Tim Walker's older brother harry, vanished, in Maryland.

Tim Walker said, “And looking at their eyes when they speak, and what they're going through is the same look my mother has to this day. About 23 and a half years ago, my brother became missing,”

Investigators tried to find his brother, but all leads came up empty. “The police eventually did find his car, they did find his clothes, they did find his wallet which makes the story of my brother being vanished that much stranger because he just like poof into mid-air,” he said.

The memory of that time launched Tim and his colleague Adam Swan into action. The two own Valpak franchises. Tim in the Shenandoah Valley, and Adam in Charlottesville.

Tim Walker said, “They did call us to interview us and ask us questions about my brother and thoughts of where we might think he would be, but it just wasn't a big news story.”

In the end, it's the "not knowing" that breaks his mother's heart. Tim Walker said, “Even to this day, she still mails him a birthday card, even knowing he's not where he is.”

Now Tim and Adam are mailing a reminder to keep hope alive for Morgan and her parents. The Valpak coupons are going out all across central Virginia this week. If you haven't received yours yet, look for it in the next few days.

Video: Harrington Flyer In ValPaks 1:13
http://www.nbc29.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=4313916&at1=News&h1=Harrington Flyer In ValPaks&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

Article:
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11531953
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Harrington Search Day 32
Posted: Nov 18, 2009 4:39 PM EST
Updated: Nov 18, 2009 4:41 PM EST
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The Harrington’s brought flowers and new weather-proof signs to the memorial on the bridge. Morgan's parents also hung Tibetan prayer flags, which Gil Harrington says Morgan hung in her apartment in bedroom. They say they just feel the need to be where she was last seen and in the community where she was abducted from.

Gil Harrington says she's staying optimistic about finding her daughter, but it's getting harder. “Until this point I have been saying that we're getting ragged. But I would say as of last night, we're kind of unraveling a bit because it has been a month and that's a big block of time. And you know a holiday for families is right around the corner and our family is fractured. It's difficult.”

The Harrington’s stressed that the memorial on the bridge is in no way a sign that they've given up hope.

Video: Missing Students Parents Revisit Charlottesville 3:24
http://www.nbc29.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=4313898&at1=News&h1=Missing Students Parents Revisit Charlottesville&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

Article:
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11531870
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Harringtons Return to Charlottesville
Updated: 8:06 AM Nov 19, 2009
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While police have gotten about 500 tips in the time since her disappearance, they say none of them has led to finding Morgan.

Police say they have no suspects and no description of a car Morgan may have gotten into while walking on the Copeley Street Bridge.

Gil says, if there is another community search effort, it would likely move from Charlottesville towards Harrisonburg because Morgan would most likely have been trying to get to the Valley city.

Video: Morgan Harrington Latest 0:36
http://www.whsv.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4314027&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

Article:
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/70414397.html
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Metallica's Robert Trujillo Comments on Missing Fan Morgan Harrington
Nov 19th 2009 9:30AM
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She's been missing for over a month, despite a $150,000 reward for information regarding her disappearance, but the parents of Metallica fan and 20-year-old Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington are not giving up. They won't stop searching until Morgan is found, and according to Metallica bassist Robert Trujillo, the band is praying for her safe return.

"I was crushed," Trujillo says in a recent interview, about learning of Harrington's disappearance; he added that the case has been ever-present on the band members' minds. "Stuff like this just really, really bums me out, especially when you are a parent and you have children. I mean, it's the worst thing that you could ever imagine. And of course, you know, we're all hoping for the best and just praying that she's alive. It really hit a sour chord with us and bummed us out."

Trujillo is the second member of the band to comment on the case. Last month, guitarist Kirk Hammett told reporters that the band was "staying positive that she will be found soon," and added that "we are all hoping for the best and praying for her and her family. We all have children and as parents ourselves, it's our worst nightmare for a child to go out and not come back home. We empathize with that greatly, so we are doing what we can to help find her. We are staying positive."

Article:
http://www.noisecreep.com/2009/11/19/metallica-missing-fan-trujillo-harrington/
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Parents of missing Morgan Harrington give dental records to state police
November 19th 02:32pm
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The parents of missing VT student Morgan Harrington were in town yesterday to deliver their daughter’s dental records to the state police.

The Newsplex reports that Dan and Gil Harrington put posters of their daughter and painted the family symbol on the Copeley Road bridge, near the John Paul Jones Arena where Harrington was attending a Metallica concert on Saturday, October 17.

Article:
http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=1991704080566501&act=post&pid=12031911090388265

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mitzi
11-20-2009, 04:20 AM
These poor parents. Dan Harrington especially looks like he has lost so much weight. I can't imagine what they are going through. They are certainly a special, classy couple. I am praying for some closure for them. Doesn't seem like there will be a positive ending for them. :(

krazykidz
11-20-2009, 10:10 AM
astros,

do any of morgan's charts tell you the closeness of her friendship with those that attended the concert with her? i saw a post that theorized morgan's parents may have purchased the concert tickets so she could reconnect with old friends. it seems she would be closest to her roommate, but i don't know about the others. i am also trying to find reference to how many tickets were purchased because if there were friends who declined, that could be significant.

krazykidz
11-20-2009, 10:11 AM
and there was also a post that some tickets were for sale on craigslist from the same seating area

Angel Who Cares
11-20-2009, 08:54 PM
Virginia Tech worker plans worldwide vigil for Morgan Harrington
Published: November 20, 2009
Updated: November 20, 2009
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Jarels says as the holidays get closer, he knew it would get tougher and tougher for them, so he and another supporter organized a candlelight vigil called “Lighting the World with Candles for Morgan” Saturday night.

People on findmorgan.com have responded from Canada, England, France, China, Japan, New Zealand, and 25 other states saying they would participate in the vigil.

He’s encouraging everyone talks to on the website to go outside at nine pm, light a candle, and pray for Morgan and her family.

Jarels says he wants the Harringtons to come outside there home and see dozens of candles all around to show that everyone is supporting them. He says he hopes the vigil will reach someone, somewhere in the world that will help bring Morgan home.

Video: Virginia Tech worker plans worldwide vigil for Morgan Harrington 2:21
http://www2.wsls.com/sls/video/detail/4ac8a0ae-278a-102d-bc4d-001ec92a4a0d/63763/

Article:
http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/vt_staffer_plans_worldwide_vigil_for_morgan_harrin gton/63745/

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arielilane
11-20-2009, 09:20 PM
This just brings tears to my eyes…I have been having so much thought of Morgan’s family and the thoughts that Thanksgiving is quickly approaching and this most likely (I hope I am wrong) will be a first w/o Morgan. I am not even her Mother and it is devastating for me to comprehend… let alone what Mrs. Harrington is going through.

My thoughts and prayers continue to be with this family. Keeping hope alive for truth, hope, and to be strong doing this horrible time in their lives. Praying for answers and a safe return home for Morgan.

krazykidz
11-21-2009, 10:23 AM
hi astros,
a couple questions: the first last seen event chart was for 8:40 pm. was that for the last phone call between morgan and friends?
the current last seen chart is last sighting of 9:30 pm, right?
ok, well what if the witnesses are just plain wrong? it seems maybe the 8:40 cellphone call is good bc morgan's voice was heard and the police have a record of it, i think. unless...it was a texting conversation and that could mean it was not necessarily morgan receiving and replying.

i'm trying to think of different things. morgan's dad spoke to her on the cellphone about 2 pm from what i have read. that seems reliable enough. my main question then would be is there any advantage to doing a last scene chart for the 2 pm phone call to dad?

i'm not trying to muddy the waters, i was just wondering if that could provide any pertinent info. even if morgan was supposedly seen on video, i would not believe it unless the parents verified it and we've not heard of that

Tuba
11-21-2009, 11:38 AM
The first chart on the thread was for 8:40 p.m. when Morgan made a cell call to the arena inside. The friends also noted what they initiated at 8:48, a text message I believe and that was not charted. The incoming from her was verified on their cell by police. She actually left them inside at 8:20, an approximation, and that was charted. The sighting by multiple witnesses on Copeley Bridge was charted and posted and that was for 9:30 p.m. There is no rock solid proof any of this was Morgan, no. Dr. Harrington's report to police was logged at the station, fortunately because his memory of when he placed it was in error. The 2:00 p.m. call is therefore unreliable. If you doubt any of these timed charts, use the time police logged his call. The Norma Parsons sighting was also charted by the way.

There is information about the attitude of the friends under the police logged Sunday chart. Three friends went with Morgan to the concert as far as we know, plus the male friend of one. Dr. Harrington bought nine tickets, though, krazykidz, to answer your question posted above.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - MORGAN HARRINGTON, missing @concert 10/17/09 Charlottesville,VA This is the time police logged in the doctor's report and the chart for it. What warns us that all is not right with the "friendship", if we still needed poking is that the same Sign is on the House of friends and the House of enemies, 11 and 12. That is bad bongos but if you object that this indicates more their attitude toward the doctor, the friends of his daughter in this chart look far worse. They are Mars squared by the Moon and inconjunct Pluto.

krazykidz
11-21-2009, 05:19 PM
oh, thankyou tuba! that is enlightening. it supports the possibility that morgan's parents perceived more of a friendship between morgan and the other 8 friends than may have existed. ah, it is just too too sad. i think if i have read previous posts correctly, morgan's roommate and the policeman's daughter are the only girls besides morgan from the original "9". i guess the roommates sister and the boyfriend of a friend could have been last minute if 4 girls declined.

and i don't question your interpretations or charts at all. you are brilliant. these event charts are very intriguing

krazykidz
11-21-2009, 05:21 PM
wait, i can't add. that would be 6 friends from the group of 9 that declined. right? my poor brain is fried. brain cells slough off daily with all of my kids. ack

Tuba
11-21-2009, 09:07 PM
Yes, the Harringtons must have read into those relationships, perhaps with nostalgia from the girls' high school days. Either that or they were overly optimistic as to what this excursion would do for the ties among them.

Note to vaire: Morgan is way more sensitive than the average bear with a sore head because she was born with the Moon in Aries. The cranium is susceptible to pain and injury and vulnerable. vaire believes the fall did some damage.

Zoe Bogart
11-22-2009, 02:46 AM
I can attest to head injuries. Having Moon in Aries sharing the same house as my Pisces midheaven, I tend to suffer head and foot injuries frequently and many times at the same time. A nasty trip can cause devilish head injuries and I have the scars to prove it.

When I read that Morgan was said to have fallen and had a bloody nose (was that right?) or at least some sort of facial injury, I thought, oh, no, that can't be good especially the way the planets were aligned along with the moon wobble. One wonders how such close friends could not be at all worried about her after that fall and she told them they weren't allowing her back into the arena. This young lady must have been dazed and not thinking straight. I don't know, there are just too many questions......

Thanks, Tuba for the info. Brilliant as always.

momsbold1
11-22-2009, 02:53 AM
Tuba, I could not agree more with the natal placement of the Moon (sensitive) in Aries, (ruler of the head) being a celestial marker for trouble with the noggin. I will state again that the 12th house placement of Caput Algol in the event chart made my heart sink. I realize that this malefic star is way out of orb to be considered by the ancients, but I always like to take a look at it as it usually can speak volumes about what may have happened. Do you use orb's when considering the effects of the fixed stars?

**Note** I work for a group of radiologists in the Baylor Plano area in Texas. I have heard stories, many of them, of how a person who is having a slow bleed in the brain can act completely out of character. One story that comes to mind came from one of the CT techs, who jaw was broken by a 86 year old woman who weighed about 120 lbs. Sometimes when a person has a CVA, (cerebreal vascular accident), they can become very combative and agressive. And very, very confused. I wonder if this is how she ended up outside?

Zoe Bogart
11-22-2009, 03:21 AM
Sometimes when a person has a CVA, (cerebreal vascular accident), they can become very combative and agressive. And very, very confused. I wonder if this is how she ended up outside?


Wasn't CVA what killed actress Natasha Richardson? She had a fall on the ski slopes, thought she was fine, then began to feel unwell and a few hours later was unconscious.

We make jokes about people hitting their heads (good thing it was his hard head and not something more prone to injury) but head injuries can be extremely serious.

A confused, stunned young lady standing alone outside an arena and a locked car would certainly make her a prime target. Moreso if she wandered down a lonely road.

Could her friends have told her to find her own way home instead of her volunteering to do so?

I really do have sympathy for her parents. Not only is their daughter missing, they don't have accurate information about what happened that night.

Solstice Canyon
11-22-2009, 09:16 AM
You know, thinking more about the head injury aspect of things, this could make sense of the purse situation as well. Sometimes I think people get an amnesia-like experience following concussions, where the people, places & things that should look familiar to them do not, at least temporarily. There could be many other reasons the purse was found where it was, but it never occured to me that maybe Morgan could've been so debilitated from her fall that she looked down, saw her purse and thought, "Whose stuff is this?," and left it there herself. A head injury could also potentially explain other odd aspects of her behavior that don't seem to add up otherwise, as others have mentioned.

P.S. Sorry to just barge in out of (seemingly) nowhere! I have been watching various threads on this forum with great interest for several weeks, and guess my first post here would've probably been better if "astro-related" so I'm not mistaken as having found my way into the wrong thread! :) I find what you do here fascinating.

Tuba
11-22-2009, 10:35 AM
Vaire, the orbs used for Fixed Stars have always been very small, tight, 1° - 2° but when you directed us to House 12, my sense was that you were referring to the illumination or influence of Caput Algol in that hidden, behind the scenes area. And such illumination had no competition as the whole House was empty. To reveal that this constellation was active, we have only to look at the Part of Misfortune in the horoscope for her exit from seating inside the arena at 8:20 p.m. The Part of Misfortune was 29°33' Taurus at the Weeping Sisters. This House always tells us what has gone before, what has preceded the rising degree, and it was something to weep about. Two things were going on. Whatever incident made her get up and leave plus the toss she took. Others may want to deny it but the incident and the fall were the efficient cause of her disappearance.

The Sun has just gone into Sagittarius, so it is helping us explore what happened to Morgan on the night that both Mars and Pluto were also at 0°; further, the Moon has moved from Capricorn into Aquarius where Jupiter & Neptune were sending their messages that night.

Angel Who Cares
11-22-2009, 02:31 PM
People asked to light candles for Morgan Harrington
November 21, 2009
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As the Season of Lights is about to begin, friends and family of Morgan Harrington prove they will not extinguish hope that she will come home safely.

On the website findmorgan.com, people were asked to light a candle at 9 p.m. Saturday to pray for Morgan and her family. In Roanoke County, supporters lined the street outside of the 20-year-old's home.

"These lights are in no way any indication that we're mourning the life of Morgan Dana Harrington. These lights are to represent a way back home," says Kenny Jarels, who helped organize the effort.

As the Season of Lights is about to begin, friends and family of Morgan Harrington prove they will not extinguish hope that she will come home safely.
http://wdbj.images.worldnow.com/images/11551521_BG1.jpg

In Roanoke County, supporters lined the street outside of the 20-year-old's home.
http://wdbj.images.worldnow.com/images/11551521_BG2.jpg

Article:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11551521

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Valley Residents Light Candles In Honor Of Morgan Harrington
Valley residents light candles in the hope of finding Morgan Harrington.
Updated: 5:37 AM Nov 22, 2009
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While Morgan Harrington may still be missing, she has not been forgotten.

Tammy Strickler from Broadway, has never met Morgan, or her family, but on this Saturday evening, she's lighting candles and sending them with a prayer to bring Morgan home.

"I'm lighting these candles for Morgan's Mom and Dad, and for Morgan, just to show my support for them and to show them that we are thinking about them, and that we are praying for them," says Strickler.

Strickler believes these small acts of hope can carry a big message.

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Video: Valley Residents Light Candles In Honor Of Morgan Harrington 2:00
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Article:
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/70726152.html

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momsbold1
11-22-2009, 08:06 PM
Tuba, yes that is what I have been asking the board to consider. That star in the hidden 12th house, saying to me a hidden injury in the head. Thanks so much for your help with the orbs, this is such a wonderful place to learn and exchange ideas.

pittsburghgirl
11-23-2009, 02:47 AM
There's a blog post online (from a blog that WS does not link to) discussing a man who fancies himself a rock band critic and is involved in scouting HS athletes in basketball and football. The site provides a link to his "criticism." He is a UVA season ticket holder. He has gotten himself booted from the HelpFindMorgan website and also had an unusual FB page regarding Morgan. When I read the blog post, I thought of our short discussion about older men and music critics, as well as the fact that Morgan was seen talking to UVA basketball players. Could this guy have been in that group, on the fringes, or just watching?

Angel Who Cares
11-24-2009, 03:19 PM
Basketball Team Members Interviewed as Witnesses in Disappearance
Posted: Nov 24, 2009 12:44 PM EST
Updated: Nov 24, 2009 1:02 PM EST
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The University of Virginia released new information about the Morgan Harrington investigation Tuesday. In a statement, the university says some members of the men's basketball team have been interviewed as witnesses.

After practice on the night of October 17, some team members were approached by a woman that fit Harrington's description. She disappeared later that night.

The players co-operated fully with police, and the university says they provided information that has helped establish a timeline leading up to Morgan's disappearance.

The school did not name the players who were interviewed.

Article:
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11565778
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UVA Players Questioned In Missing Student Case
Nov 24, 2009
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According to a statement released by the University of Virginia, the unnamed players were approached by a woman resembling Harrington October 17, following a team practice. The team's practice facility is located close to the John Paul Jones Arena, where Harrington attended a Metallica concert that weekend.

The statement reads:

"As police worked to establish a time line of October 17 in hopes of locating Ms. Harrington, they interviewed a number of witnesses, including some members of the men¹s basketball team.

"After a practice, team members had been approached by a female consistent with Ms. Harrington's description.

"They cooperated fully with law enforcement investigators and, like other witnesses interviewed by the police, they provided information that is important to police efforts to establish Ms. Harrington¹s movements."

Article:
http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=11566968

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Angel Who Cares
11-28-2009, 06:16 PM
Parents of Morgan Harrington hopeful this Thanksgiving
November 25, 2009
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The Harrington's son is coming to Virginia from New York City for Thanksgiving and the family will have dinner with close family friends.

A place Gil Harrington says they always spend the holiday.

"We're always there. It'll be strange not to have Morgan home if she doesn't make it home by Thanksgiving, but that is really our place of celebration and marking that holiday, we'll be there," says Gil Harrington.

Article:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11574408
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Harrington's Spend Thanksgiving in Cville
Posted: Nov 26, 2009 3:44 PM EST
Updated: Nov 26, 2009 4:40 PM EST
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Dan and Gil Harrington and their son spent part of Thanksgiving morning visiting a makeshift memorial on the Copeley Road bridge near the John Paul Jones Arena.

"There's something of her here. There's nothing of her in our home, and we're trying to change that," said Gil.

The Harrington's added a bright red sign to the memorial. It simply said "HOPE". They admit that hope is fading as their daughter's disappearance drags on.

"There's hopefulness, and then there's being Pollyanna," said Gil.

"We realize the statistics are not great, and they get worse." Dan said, "you have to mourn as well as hold out hope."

The parents are facing their worst nightmare as time goes on. They've given DNA to police to help identify a body - if one is found. They're also making a plea for tips to keep coming to investigators.

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Article:
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11578308
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Family Visits Makeshift Memorial for Missing Student
posted 11/26/09 3:40 pm
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It's a sad Thanksgiving for relatives of a missing Virginia tech student, but Morgan Harrington's family is convinced someone knows where she is.

Her family visited the "memorial" to their daughter in Charlottesville even though they don't know whether she is alive or dead. They added ornaments and mementos. They also tied a yellow ribbon, the symbol for "welcome home."

The Harringtons have come to a bridge in Charlottesville because it is the last place Morgan was seen before her disappearance. They say to be in this place to breath the air Morgan breathed allows them to be close to her in some way.

"I know dogs smelling on this bridge can smell her so there is something of her here. There is nothing of her in our home," shared Gil Harrington.

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Article:
http://www.news8.net/news/stories/1109/682058.html
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Taking the Holiday to Ask Again for Help to Find Missing Daughter
6:03 PM Nov 26, 2009
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Gil says, "End this immense suffering that we are feeling. Please."

The family has a tradition of going to Charlottesville for Thanksgiving every year.

However, this year, they placed flowers and knick knacks on the bridge where Morgan was last seen.

Video: Morgan Harrington Search Continues 0:39
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Video: News @ 5PM 11/26/09 9:58
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Video: Harrington UVA 0:50
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Video: Valley Residents Light Candles In Honor Of Morgan 2:00
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Video: Morrigan Harrington Update 0:49
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Video: Morgan Harrington Latest 0:36
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Video: News @ 6PM 11/24/09 7:07
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Video: News @ 5PM 11/25/09 9:48
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Video: No Sign Of Morgan After One Month 2:10
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Video: 10@10 11/21/09 6:57
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Article:
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/75113482.html
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Parents of Morgan Harrington say they're hopeful this Thanksgiving
November 27, 2009
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The parents of missing Virginia Tech student, Morgan Harrington, spend their first Thanksgiving without their daughter.

"There's hopefulness, and then there's being Pollyanna. We realize the statistics are not great, and they get worse. You have to mourn as well as hold out hope," says Morgan's Mom Gil Harrington.

Friends in Charlottesville invited the Harrington's, and their son to Thanksgiving dinner.

Before sitting down to a supper table with one empty chair, they stopped at the Copeley Road Bridge where investigators say the 20 year old was last seen trying to hitch a ride from a Metallica concert.

Article:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11579140

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Angel Who Cares
11-30-2009, 03:00 AM
Human Remains Found on Liberty Mountain
11/29/09 10:49 pm
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Campbell County Sheriff Terry Gaddy says a body was found in a shallow grave off Camp Hideaway Road on Liberty Mountain Sunday evening. Investigators were called out to the area around 5 p.m. after a neighbor found clothing and suspicious articles. Gaddy says at this point it's not clear if the remains are male or female. The body is badly decomposed and has been in the area for at least six to eight weeks.

Sheriff Terry Gaddy, Campbell County Sheriff's Office - "Definitely a suspicious death and we will be working it as a suspicious death. From the clothing that we found too, it may suggest that it might be a younger female."

The remains will now go to the Medical Examiner's office for a positive identification. Gaddy says Campbell County does not have a missing person’s report that would be consistent with the remains. A high profile case that comes to mind is the disappearance of Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington. Gaddy says the clothing found at the scene is inconsistent with what Harrington was wearing the night she disappeared.

Video: Human Remains Found on Liberty Mountain
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/1109/682665_video.html?ref=newsstory

Article:
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/1109/682665.html

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Tuba
11-30-2009, 11:00 AM
The clothing is not Morgan's clothing from October 17 but an individual has been lying in the weather on that mountain for six or eight weeks with no inquiries after his or her well being. How very, very sad. Prayers for this unknown young person who met with foul play. God take them.

Angel Who Cares
11-30-2009, 05:23 PM
UPDATED INFO: Body found in Campbell County
November 30, 2009
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Sheriff Terry Gaddy says around 5:00 p.m. Sunday, a Liberty University student was walking through the woods when he found clothing laying on a trail. He then noticed the body laying nearby, covered with rocks.

Two women are currently missing in the Lynchburg area and investigators say they are following up on those cases. Both missing women are in their early twenties. One is a Lynchburg College student.

Skin from the body had decomposed, leaving only bones. Based on that appearance, Gaddy estimates the body had been laying dead for at least a month, possibly two months. The body's head had been detached, but Gaddy says he's not sure if it was originally left that way or whether something happened to the body over time while it was in the woods.

Video: Human remains found near Camp Hydaway Road in Campbell County (11/30)
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Article:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11589283
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Questions Surround Body Discovery
11/30/09 6:12 pm
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Deputies believe this is a female's body, based on the small frame and the type of clothes found near the remains.

Now, the two priorities are determining who she is and how she died. They're bringing in a dentist and a forensic anthropologist to do just that.

Campbell County Sheriff Terry Gaddy said, "We do have a small frame body that was covered with wood and rocks and debris."

The head was found detached from the body further in the woods.

"It appears to have been there for several months or somewhere in that time frame," Sheriff Gaddy said.

The sheriff tells me they are too decomposed to be Harrington's and the victim’s victim's clothing does not match what Harrington was last seen wearing.

Article:
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/1109/682917.html
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Body found on mountain near Lynchburg could be ID’d today
Published: December 1, 2009
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Campbell County Sheriff Terry Gaddy said he hopes medical records taken to the medical examiner's office in Roanoke could yield the identity of a body found on Candlers Mountain near Lynchburg as early as this afternoon.

"We have several people who are missing from the Lynchburg area. Based on the description of clothing one of them was last seen wearing, I have a strong hunch," Gaddy said of the body, which was found Sunday.

"I'm leaning strongly toward one of those people," he said.

"I know it's horrible for the families of these people that are missing," he said.

Virginia Tech student and Roanoke resident Morgan Harrington's disappearance from a Charlottesville concert in October has been widely reported.

Two others have recently been reported missing from Lynchburg, he said.

Cassandra Ann Morton, 23, was last seen in Lynchburg on Oct. 10. A student at Lynchburg College from Pittsylvania County also was reported missing recently, the sheriff said.

Article:
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/article/BODY01_20091130-223004/308808/

I find it odd that thay have only named the other person missing from the area, mentioning only Morgan & Cassandra!

It has me leaning that Sheriff Gaddy suspects it's Cassandra....he has already said that the clothing didn't match what Morgan was said to be wearing. IMO

Rest In Peace! :prayer:

Prayers To All Of the Familes Of The Missing! :praying:

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Zoe Bogart
12-01-2009, 12:04 AM
Have these other two women, besides Morgan, had massive searches for them? Has anyone else heard of missing females from that area? I'm a bit shocked how some cases can be swept under the rug while others can be so prominent.

At least someone will have some sort of closure with this new terrible discovery. Sad. Very sad.

Thanks for the updates, Angel and Tuba.

Angel Who Cares
12-01-2009, 08:57 PM
aksleuth ITA I haven't heard of the other 2 missing woman till I these recent articles! :furious: All the missing deserve at least some media coverage...I know it's sad that there are more & more cases everyday. They at least deserve to be mentioned by them or how does anyone know to look for them???? :confused: :(

FYI: The other missing woman has been found safe & sound!!!!! :clap:

I was right it was Cassandra who was found. :cry: At least her family knows where she is though it's not the way they wanted her to be found.

:praying: My heart & prayers go out to Cassandra's loved ones. :prayer:

Campbell County remains identified
December 1, 2009
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The body found Sunday along Camp Hydaway Road in Campbell County has been identified as 23-year-old Cassandra Morton of Lynchburg, according to Campbell County Sheriff's Office Captain L.T. Gutherie.

Morton was last seen alive October 10 in the Park Avenue area of Lynchburg.

A Press Conference is planned for 4:00 p.m. Tuesday where more information will be released.

:rose: Rest In Peace Cassandra! :rose:
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Video: Campbell County remains identified (12/01) 2:20
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Article:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11599871

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Angel Who Cares
12-04-2009, 05:03 PM
Parents of Morgan Harrington talk about float effort in local parades
Published: December 3, 2009
Updated: December 3, 2009
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A group of volunteer from “Forgotten Victims” came up with floats for local Christmas parades as part of a “Let’s Bring Morgan Home for X-Mas” campaign. Morgan used to volunteer with the non-profit group.

According to a news release, the floats will include signs with the Find Morgan website, fliers and children carrying a Find Morgan banner.

Dan and Gil Harrington issed this statement on Thursday, through the PR firm they hired:

The past few weeks have been particularly trying for our family as we face the holiday season without our daughter, Morgan. It is the community’s continued outpouring of love and support that helps us endure this difficult time each day. We thank the members of the non-profit group, Forgotten Victims, and the many others who will help spread the word about Morgan’s disappearance by marching in upcoming holiday parades at Vinton, Salem, and Roanoke, Virginia. Your support has helped lift our spirits when we needed it most.

Article:
http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/new_river_valley/article/parents_of_morgan_harrington_talk_about_float_effo rt_in_local_parades/66398/
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UPDATED: Morgan Harrington's friends hope to generate leads at Vinton parade
December 4, 2009
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This is supposed to be the most wonderful time of the year, but for the family of missing Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington it's the most difficult.

Her friends plan to use the holidays to remind people she's still missing.

The Holidays came alive Thursday night for the annual Christmas parade in downtown Vinton.

It's always fun time but this year it takes on a more serious tone.

Friends of Morgan Harrington are out of in full force raising awareness, in the parade and along the parade route.

"I'm not going to stop searching until we find her," says Morgan's friend Maticia Ruffner.


Video: Morgan Harrington's friends hope for new leads at Vinton Christmas Parade (12/03) 2:06
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Video: Friends of Morgan Harrington hoping to generate leads in Vinton (12/3) 1:29
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Article:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11616285
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Friends of Missing Metallica Fan Morgan Harrington Hit Parade Routes
Posted on Dec 4th 2009 11:00AM
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This week and weekend, friends of Morgan will be hitting the streets in full force, in an effort to raise awareness to the case, which has been getting national media coverage.

Metallica bassist Robert Trujillo said in a recent interview that he hopes Morgan is returned safely. "I was crushed," Trujillo said, about learning of Harrington's disappearance; he added that the case has been ever-present on the band members' minds. "Stuff like this just really, really bums me out, especially when you are a parent and you have children. I mean, it's the worst thing that you could ever imagine. And of course, you know, we're all hoping for the best and just praying that she's alive. It really hit a sour chord with us and bummed us out."

Article:
http://www.noisecreep.com/2009/12/04/missing-metallica-fan-parade-routes/

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Angel Who Cares
12-07-2009, 04:24 PM
Effort to find missing Va student turns to parades
December 7, 2009
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A posting on the Web site http://findmorgan.com/ says a "Let's Bring Morgan Home for X-Mas" float will appear in Roanoke's Christmas parade on Friday. Floats appeared last week in parades in Vinton and Salem.

According to the posting, the floats were organized by the nonprofit Forgotten Victims. A Find Morgan banner will be carried in the parades by children from the group and fliers will be distributed.

Article:
http://www.dailypress.com/news/virginia/dp-va--missingvatechstud1207dec07,0,2987343.story

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Angel Who Cares
12-10-2009, 08:22 AM
Harrington DNA Collected
Posted: Dec 09, 2009 9:22 PM EST
Updated: Dec 09, 2009 9:50 PM EST
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Virginia State Police investigators have collected DNA samples from Morgan Harrington's parents.

The Virginia Tech student disappeared in Charlottesville 53 days ago.

On the website dedicated to finding Morgan, Harrington's mother Gil says that the samples were collected just after Thanksgiving.

Video: Harrington DNA Collected 0:18
http://www.nbc29.com/global/Category.asp?C=175568&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4373137&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

Article:
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11652250

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Angel Who Cares
12-12-2009, 04:00 AM
Benefit Concert for Morgan Harrington Fund
December 11, 2009
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A hard rock and heavy metal concert will be held to raise money to help in the search for missing Virginia Tech student, Morgan Harrington.

The concert will be held on Saturday, December 19th at the Canal Club in Richmond - more than 2 months after she was last seen at a Metallica concert in Charlottesville. Tickets will be available at the door for $15 and all proceeds will go to the Find Morgan Fund, which supports the Harrington family's ongoing search efforts.

The event, organized by DVS Artist Management & Marchant Entertainment, will begin at 4:00 p.m. with a candlelight vigil for Morgan and will run until approximately 1:00 a.m.

Article:
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-harrington-concert121109,0,3626359.story

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Angel Who Cares
12-14-2009, 10:11 PM
Missing student seen in Orange?
Published: December 13, 2009
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But like many of the 600-plus leads received so far, investigators weren’t able to find further information to substantiate the clue, says a police spokeswoman.

“A woman contacted us about seeing a young lady fitting Morgan Harrington’s description at a gas station in Orange County Sunday morning,” Virginia State Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said. “We immediately dispatched an investigator to follow up on the tip. Unfortunately, we were not able to find any other independent witnesses or surveillance video to corroborate the tip.”

Geller said that no persons of interest have been identified at this point and authorities are uncertain if Harrington is a victim of foul play.

Article:
http://www2.starexponent.com/cse/news/local/article/missing_student_seen_in_orange/48673/
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*Morgan Harrington Photo Album:
http://tinypic.com/userstuff.php?u=kvusYtMddzHPssUtTHiAug%3D%3D

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Zoe Bogart
12-15-2009, 02:22 AM
So this person just came forward, or did she tell the police soon after the disappearance? Since the sighting was supposedly the Sunday after the disappearance, it's taken a long time for this to come out.

Interesting though, we haven't heard about "Morgan sightings" past that weekend, have we, like we used to hear all the phony "Caylee sightings", even until the very day her remains were found in the woods.

I know there have been cases where people "disappeared" for many years without any sightings, but in recent times, with all the available electronic gadgets and the media onto everything, it's unusual for a living person not to be sighted by someone, unless they are locked in a dungeon (or a hidden backyard).

I just wish this young lady will be found soon.

Curious Me
12-15-2009, 08:42 PM
MORGAN HARRINGTON still missing. This started bothering me last night and all day today that Morgan just disappeared, and the strange conflicting information to explain her wondering off and hitchhiking away from the concert and her friends. The person responsible for her disappearance is probably thinking they got away with something. I hope something breaks in this soon.

The charts you have all worked hard to share with us have been such a blessing. Thank You.

Angel Who Cares
12-15-2009, 10:57 PM
Morgan Harrington Update: Police At Work, No P.O.I. Yet
State Police updated the Newsplex on the Morgan Harrington investigation, saying they're still getting tips, have detectives constantly working on the case but have yet to develop any P.O.I. or "person of interest". They are particularly interested in knowing about a Morgan "sighting" in the Culpeper/Orange County area.
Updated: 8:52 PM Dec 10, 2009
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A Virginia State Police spokeswoman compares the Morgan Harrington investigation to a jig-saw puzzle. She says they have certain pieces of information but the evidence does not add up yet to a complete picture.

"We have these gaps," said Geller. "But, we have a sighting the next morning up in the Culpeper, Orange area that could be very viable. But, unfortunately, we don't have surveillance video. Nobody at the gas station recalls seeing her there."

The possible Culpeper/Orange sighting is one of many leads investigators are following up on. But, the key information remains at the Copeley Road bridge in Charlottesville where police say several people last saw Harrington trying to hitchhike.

"They may not have seen an actual young woman getting into a car," Geller explained about people who may not realize what they saw. "But, if they just remember seeing a car stopped in the roadway on the bridge and thought, 'Well, this is strange. Why is this vehicle stopped?'"

Geller says they do have information. But, that lead might be the missing piece they're searching for.


Video: Still Many Unanswered Questions in Harrington Case
http://www.newsplex.com/video?clipID=4375407&autoStart=true&contentID=79008717

Article:
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/79008717.html
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Harrington's Parents Selling T-Shirts
Posted: Dec 14, 2009 11:10 PM EST
Updated: Dec 15, 2009 12:08 AM EST
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Morgan Harrington's family is now selling t-shirts to keep the search for her at the top of people's awareness.

The shirts will have the 2+4+1 logo on the front with pictures of Morgan and the phrase Help Find Morgan on the back.

The Virginia Tech student vanished in Charlottesville October 17th.

Article:
http://www.nbc29.com/global/story.asp?s=11677318
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State troopers search I-64 in Morgan Harrington case
December 16, 2009
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About a dozen state troopers are now canvassing the median and areas near Interstate 64 just west of Charlottesville between mileposts 112 and 114, according to Corinne Gellar, the State Police Spokesperson. That is the area between the Charlottesville and Crozier exits.

Gellar said the search was not prompted by any new leads. She said police periodically conduct searches just to make sure that nothing has been missed.

Article:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11686077

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Angel Who Cares
12-18-2009, 07:49 PM
Virginia State Troopers Search I-64 In Missing METALLICA Fan Case - Dec. 17, 2009
Last Updated: December 18, 2009 6:29 PM
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It was two months ago, October 17, that the 20-year-old went missing from outside a METALLICA concert at the John Paul Jones Arena in Charlottesville. She was last seen on the Copley Road Bridge not far from the stadium at approximately 9:30 that night, police said.

WHIPLASH, AT WAR and DANGEROUS NEW MACHINE will take part in a hard rock and heavy metal concert to raise money to help in the search for Morgan Harrington.

The concert will be held on Saturday, December 19 at the Canal Club in Richmond — more than two months after Morgan Harrington was last seen at a METALLICA concert in Charlottesville. Tickets will be available at the door for $15 and all proceeds will go to the Find Morgan Fund, which supports the Harrington family's ongoing search efforts


The event will broadcast live on Ustream.tv.
LETHAL STRIKE - 5:30 - 6:00
MEMORY FADE - 6:15 - 6:45
SAINT DIABLO - 7:00 - 7:30
ARCH DEMON CHOIR - 7:45 - 8:15
CHAOS AGENT - 8:30 - 9:00
DAY MINUS 7 - 9:15 - 9:45
AT WAR - 10:00 - 10:30
WHIPLASH - 10:45 - 11:15
DANGEROUS NEW MACHINE - 11:30-12:00
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/benefit-for-missing-metallica-fan

Article:
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=132138
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WHIPLASH To Play Benefit Show This Saturday
Date: Dec 17, 2009
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On December 19, 2009, legendary New Jersey thrashers WHIPLASH will play a benefit concert for Morgan Harrington, the 20-year-old student from Virginia Tech who was last seen on October 17th near the John Paul Jones Arena in Charlottesville, Virginia following a Metallica concert. The event is being held at The Canal Club [http://www.thecanalclub.com] in Richmond, Virginia and aims to raise awareness of Morgan's disappearance and support the Harrington family's ongoing search to find her. All proceeds will go to: http://findmorgan.com. Other bands on the bill include Dangerous New Machine, At War and The Chaos Agent.

View the show poster here.
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=451309518&blogId=522607671

Article:
http://www.thegauntlet.com/article/1225/17522/WHIPLASH-To-Play-Benefit-Show-This-Saturday.html
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Two Months Since Morgan Harrington's Disappearance
Friends of missing 20-year-old Morgan Harrington often use the words heartbreaking and surreal when speaking of her disappearance.
Updated: 8:26 PM Dec 17, 2009
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"That first Friday, when it had been a week, I was just like, 'Oh my God, where is she, why has she not been back yet,'" says Donn Booker, one of Harrington's friends.

Booker has spent two months wondering where the Virginia Tech student is.

"I don't know what to think and I don't know why it's taken so long. Morgan is a sweet girl and with the time passing, I don't want people to forget about her," says Booker.

Even after investigators searched areas of interest like along Interstate 64, they've found no clues. That leaves family members and friends asking questions and feeling frustrated.

"This Christmas for me, I'm going to hold the people that I love dearly and family members close to me because you never know what could happen to anybody," says Booker.

Video: Harrington Search 0:56
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Video: Morgan Harrington 0:40
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Video: Noon Interview: Harrington Latest 12/17/09 2:38
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Video: Harrington Search 0:29
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Article:
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/79545557.html
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Holiday heartache: Harringtons face Christmas without Morgan
published 11:47am Friday Dec 18, 2009
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“Today,” says Dan Harringon, “I’m imagining that she did decide to leave, that she just started a new life somewhere.”

His wife, Gil, gently chides him, calling the idea that their daughter, Morgan Harrington, could have voluntarily disappeared October 17 after attending a Metallica concert at UVA’s John Paul Jones Arena, “impossible,” and Dan manages a grim smile.

“It makes me feel better,” he tells his wife, before turning to a reporter and admitting, “I don’t really think that’s the case.”

That last detail may help explain why various of Morgan’s belongings were found in a separate location near the place where the purse was discovered in the RV lot. “It was like they’d spilled out,” says Geller, maintaining that the intact purse showed no evidence of struggle.

“What happened in the bathroom seems critical,” says Gil, noting that when Morgan last saw the two friends with whom she attended the show, she told them she was going to the ladies room. “We don’t know if she took something or was given something. None of this makes sense,” says Gil, adding that Morgan had no history of getting in trouble for substance use or abuse.

To some, the silence of Morgan’s friends, who have almost entirely refrained from commenting to media outlets, seems questionable. But both Gil and Dan are adamant that Morgan’s friends should not be vilified, with Dan likening Morgan’s case to the “wrong leg being amputated in the ER.” Many factors, many mistakes by different people, he says, led to one devastating outcome.

“There is someone to blame,” he says: the person who took her.
*Much more at link!

Article:
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/12/18/holiday-heartache-harringtons-face-christmas-without-morgan/

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lonetraveler
12-18-2009, 08:52 PM
Has any information been given by Morgan's friends admitting that they were
"partying"? Have they made any statements that Morgan was under the influence of alcohol? or drugs? or have they just kept their mouths shut? These "friends" of Morgan remind so much of Brittanea Drexal (Missing in Myrtle Beach, SC during Spring Break). Her friends have not given any helpful information either on her disappearance. In fact, they aren't exactly
"friends" of BD, IMO.

Tuba
12-19-2009, 12:41 PM
If the group has provided such information, we haven't been made aware of it. Communication was sorely afflicted that concert night.

Tuba
12-21-2009, 07:45 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/MetallicaConcertMarsEclipsed001.jpg

The individual who appears as 0° Mars in Leo at the venue had himself experienced a solar eclipse on July 21. In an effort to learn who this violent man was, I charted his eclipse and what it meant to him. Notice that he was wincing and smarting from rejection at this eclipse: the square of Venus to Saturn in the House of The Other was exact for a broken heart. All of this sounds eerily personal to me.

LionKing
12-27-2009, 11:59 PM
I somehow missed the date of her birth. I have had an interest in the disappearance of Morgan Harrington. In searches for information on her has led me to this web site and I became a member of it. Glad I did.

But yes, I would like to have her birthdate if someone knows what it is.
V/r LionKing

FifthEssence
12-28-2009, 01:41 AM
I somehow missed the date of her birth. I have had an interest in the disappearance of Morgan Harrington. In searches for information on her has led me to this web site and I became a member of it. Glad I did.

But yes, I would like to have her birthdate if someone knows what it is.
V/r LionKing


Morgan H. DOB: July 24, 1989 Roanoke, VA
Link to chart:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - MORGAN HARRINGTON, missing @concert 10/17/09 Charlottesville,VA

Angel Who Cares
01-01-2010, 07:55 AM
State police discuss ongoing investigation into Morgan Harrington's whereabouts
December 30, 2009
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State police say Morgan Harrington's disappearance is not a cold case and that they have not reached a dead end.

State police say, the more time passes, the harder it will be to find her alive. Authorities believe that if Harrington is alive, that she is likely being held captive and not living freely. Joe Rader, with state police, says Harrington was far too social to have left on her own and not contact anyone back home.

Rader says Harrington had been consuming alcohol the night she disappeared. He still believes Harrington disappeared between 9:20 and 9:30 p.m. October 17th. Rader says Harrington likely got into a car with someone, either on her own or against her will.

He says that leads are being followed up on every day, including theories that Harrington may have been thrown in a train boxcar under Charlottesville's Copeley Bridge. Investigators have also spoken with psychics who have contacted them.

A red digital camera that was in Harrington's possession the night she went missing is something police would like to find.

Video: State police discuss ongoing investigation into Morgan Harrington's whereabouts 12/30/09 2:22
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Video: WDBJ7.COM EXTRA: Lt. Joe Rader discusses investigation into Morgan Harrington's disappearance 12/30/09 3:00
http://www.wdbj7.com/global/Category.asp?c=168438&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4422897&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

Article:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11748419
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Police Say Missing Virginia Tech Student Was Drinking
Posted: 3:18 PM Dec 30, 2009
Updated: 2:01 PM Dec 31, 2009
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VSP Lt. Joe Rader released the new information Wednesday afternoon.

In his briefing, he said:

- Harrington was drinking and "she wasn't acting rationally that night. Normally she would have acted differently."

- Harrington may have been drugged or injured in a fall, but she hadn't willingly consumed drugs.

- Her friends were not involved in her disappearance.

- Police have searched all along Interstate 64 from Charlottesville to Augusta County as well as stretches toward Richmond. They've also searched parts of the Blue Ridge Parkway and conducted searches at other Metallica concerts.

- Police are looking for a red digital camera Harrington had that night. It may have been a Kodak or a Sony.

- Harrington was either abducted or willingly got into a car on the Copeley Road Bridge where she had been spotted hitchhiking. Police believe she got into a vehicle between 9:20 and 9:30 p.m. because people who were interviewed cannot place her in the area after that time.

"This is not a cold case," says Rader.

In addition, if anyone has noticed any behavioral changes in a loved one, co-worker or friend who may have attended that Metallica concert or who acts strangely (overly interested, shies away, etc.) when Harrington’s disappearance is mentioned in the news or discussed among people, to also contact police at any of the numbers/email provided above. Anonymous tips are welcome.

Video: Harrington Presser 00:35
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Video: Morgan Harrington 00:40
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Video: Harrington Search 00:29
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Video: Harrington Search 00:56
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Video: Noon Interview Harrington Latest 2/27/09 02:38
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Article:
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/80358907.html
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Harrington Investigation Continuing
Posted: Dec 30, 2009 3:48 PM EST
Updated: Dec 30, 2009 11:03 PM EST
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Virginia State Police investigators are releasing new information in the Morgan Harrington case.

The lead investigator says Morgan Harrington is either being held against her will or is no longer alive.

Meanwhile, the credible leads and tips that had been coming in about where the 20-year-old might be are drying up.

Virginia State Police lieutenant Joe Rader says, "This is not a cold case and is no where near being a cold case."

They are also looking for Harrington's missing red digital camera. Investigators say they are confident she got in a car after her last sighting on the Copeley Street Bridge at 9:30 that night, and that whoever took her, may be starting to show the strain of it.

Rader says, "If you've noticed a drastic change in someone's behavior, that is probably something we should know about. If Morgan Harrington was in fact abducted, that's a hard episode for anyone to keep to themselves."

Investigators have been constantly working on the case, fielding phone calls and conducting interviews, and in public view by way of searches on Pantops Mountain in early November, and along a stretch of Interstate 64 on December 16th.

Rader says, "That wasn't a random search. That's based on information that we look at over time. When we are getting more than one piece of information that tells us it'll be worth your while to go look at it."

Video: Harrington Investigation Continues 2:05
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Article:
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11748761
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Investigator: Harrington case not ‘cold’
State Police still pursuing leads; ‘We have to keep plugging away’
December 30, 2009
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The case of missing Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington, who hasn’t been seen since she left a Metallica concert at the John Paul Jones Arena in Charlottesville the night of Oct. 17, is “not anywhere near” the level of being labeled a cold case, a Virginia State Police investigator said today.

“A cold case is when you’re not actively pursuing a case, you’ve exhausted all your leads, you’re not putting a whole lot of effort into it. This isn’t anywhere near that. We’ve been working on this every day since we started with core investigators as well as other resources. It’s very much active,” State Police Lt. Joe Rader said on the Harrington case, which has gone cold in one respect, as the media attention on Harrington has gone into decline after an initial period of several weeks of intense coverage of the investigation.

What is new is a tightened time frame of interest to State Police investigators, who have narrowed down the time that Harrington seems to have gone missing to a 10-minute window between 9:20 and 9:30 the night of Oct. 17.

“We believe that’s the window when there’s a good chance that she may have gotten into a car on the Copeley Road bridge. We don’t know that, but based on what we’ve done, that seems to be the time frame where something happened, and we can’t account for her after that. She was seen hitchhiking, and then we figure that she got into a car,” Rader said.

Investigators are interested in a red digital Kodak camera owned by Harrington that they have not been able to locate, Rader said.

“Obviously something like a camera could hold information on it that could be valuable to the investigation,” Rader said.

Rader thinks the missing link of information leading to the case being cracked will be found in the Charlottesville area.

He also hopes against hope that there’s a happy ending to this story.

“I hope the Harrington family still gets to experience the greatest moment of their life. I know statistically it doesn’t look very good, but we have to keep plugging away,” Rader said.

Article:
http://augustafreepress.com/2009/12/30/investigator-harrington-case-not-cold/
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New Details in Morgan Harrington Search
12/30/09 7:02 pm
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They held a briefing on the case Wednesday and say they believe the answer lies in the Charlottesville area. State Police tell us they have no suspects and no persons of interest.

It's possible she could have gotten into the car voluntarily. State Police also confirmed Harrington had consumed alcohol that night. It is unknown whether that played a role in her disappearance.

What they do know is that she was not acting like herself.

Lt. Joe Rader with Virginia State Police (web) said, "The Morgan Harrington that we have come to know from the investigation was not acting rationally that night. She wasn't making decisions that Morgan Harrington would normally make."

We're told the search has spanned across much of Virginia, even into North Carolina and Maryland.

Video: New Details in Morgan Harrington Search 12/30/09 7:02 pm 01:19
State Police say the search for missing Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington is still very active.
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/1209/691614_video.html?ref=newsstory

Article:
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/1209/691614.html
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Year in Review: Search for Morgan Harrington
12/31/09 3:53 pm
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“What we have to do is sit and wait. And wait for information to come in. And hopefully people will see her face and hear her story which will provide us with that information... to do something with," Morgan's mother Gil said.

The sophomore from Virginia Tech left behind laundry, unfinished school work and a strong family bond.

Yet more than two months into this ordeal, the family hasn't heard from their daughter and investigators have found very little to go on, just a purse and a cellphone.

"We are in a purgatory right now with little information, few leads and we're trying to shake out a few more," Gil said.

Video: Year in Review: Search for Morgan Harrington Thursday Dec 31, 2009 3:54PM
Tragedy hit the Virginia Tech campus for a second time in mid-October, when a student vanished without a trace.
http://cfc.wset.com/videoondemand.cfm?id=55835

Article:
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/1209/691879.html
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Police believe Morgan Harrington’s disappearance was “against her will”
Published: December 30, 2009
Updated: December 30, 2009
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Virginia State Police said they called a meeting Wednesday to dispell any rumors and separate fact from fiction.

“What we do believe is that she cannot come home and that what happened to her was against her will,“ said Lt. Joe Rader. He also confirmed for the first time that Morgan had been drinking alcohol the night she disappeared. Harrington is 20, and the legal drinking age is 21.

“The mere fact that I confirmed that she did consume alcohol does not in any way reflect upon what happened to her that night,“ Rader said.

State Police also say based on eyewitness accounts, Harrington had been behaving “irrational,“ in a way that would have been very unusual for Morgan.

Investigators say they do not know if Harrington had been drugged or suffered a head injury during the concert, or outside the John Paul Jones Arena.

“It has been a long case we’ve worked on everyday.“

While police are no longer conducting daily ground searches, they are following up on all substantial leads. They are also looking for people to come forward with any information. “If you want to call in today and say you were with her and made a mistake and know where we can find her, we would love to have it. It’s better than nothing.“

Video: Police believe Morgan Harrington’s disappearance was “against her will” 2:13
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Video: Look Back at 2009 Unsolved Cases December 22, 2009 3:35
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Article:
http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/state_regional/article/morgan_harrington_was_drinking_night_she_disappear ed/71414/
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Missing Tech student Morgan Harrington had been drinking, police confirm
Authorities would not say whether the drinking had impaired her judgment.
Thursday, December 31, 2009
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The disclosure, which investigators say does not play a significant role in the search, illustrates what has been described as Harrington's uncharacteristic and irrational behavior the night of Oct. 17: A woman matching her description was seen dropping her purse more than once outside John Paul Jones Arena, and later sticking out a thumb to hitchhike on the nearby Copeley Road bridge, police said.

"As far as it being a significant part of the case? No," police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said Wednesday. "We had numerous news media asking us about it as well as numerous rumors circulating in social networking sites. Today, we were in a position that we could confirm that."

The department would not release details regarding the drinking, such as how much she may have consumed and when, or if the consumption may have impaired her judgment.

In a news conference, Lt. Joe Rader told reporters that investigators were seeking the public's help on two new points:

-- They're looking for a red digital camera -- a Kodak or Sony -- that may have fallen from Harrington's purse outside the arena.

-- They're asking people to call if they have noticed behavioral changes in anyone who attended the concert, or if they have noticed strange reactions from anyone when Harrington's disappearance is discussed.

Harrington was expected at her parents' house in Roanoke County after the concert, but vanished when she left her friends about 8:20 p.m. to go to the restroom and wound up outside the arena, police have said.

About 8:48 p.m. she told her friends over the phone she would find a way home or stay with friends in Charlottesville. Sometime between 9:20 and 9:30 p.m., she got into a vehicle on or near the Copeley Road bridge, police said.

Map and timeline
Click to see a map documenting the timeline of sightings of Harrington in the hour before she was last seen.
http://www.roanoke.com/datasphere/wb/xp-224154

Ongoing coverage
Follow the search for missing Va. Tech student Morgan Harrington of Roanoke County
http://www.roanoke.com/multimedia/morganharrington

Article:
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/231440
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Video: Update: Morgan Harrington Case 1:36
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Police: Missing Virginia Tech student was drinking, might have been drugged or injured
Published: December 31, 2009
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According to information released by the Virginia State Police on Wednesday, Harrington had been drinking and might have been drugged or suffered a head injury.

Officials aren’t sure if that would have happened before or after she left John Paul Jones Arena, where she was attending a Metallica concert that night.

*Video Included In Article!

Article:
http://www2.newsadvance.com/lna/news/state_regional/article/police_missing_virginia_tech_student_was_drinking_ before_she_disappeared/22754/
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Morgan Harrington Was Drinking When She Vanished From Metallica Show
Posted on Dec 31st 2009 9:00AM
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According to reports, state police explained during this week's press conference that the more time passes, the harder it will be to find the 20-year-old Harrington -- who was last seen wearing a Pantera shirt, black boots and a black mini-skirt -- alive. Detectives believe that, if Harrington is still alive, that she is most likely being held captive and not living freely. A police spokesperson, Joe Rader, told reporters that Harrington was far too social to have left on her own and not contact anyone back home.

Metallica bassist Robert Trujillo said in a recent interview that he hopes Morgan is returned safely. "I was crushed," Trujillo said, about learning of Harrington's disappearance; he added that the case has been ever-present on the band members' minds. "Stuff like this just really, really bums me out, especially when you are a parent and you have children. I mean, it's the worst thing that you could ever imagine. And of course, you know, we're all hoping for the best and just praying that she's alive. It really hit a sour chord with us and bummed us out."

Article:
http://www.noisecreep.com/2009/12/31/missing-metallica-fan-morgan-harrington-drinking/
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The Top Three Stories Of 2009
Posted: Dec 31, 2009 11:22 PM EST
Updated: Dec 31, 2009 11:40 PM EST
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The number one story for 2009 is the disappearance of Morgan Harrington. The 20-year-old vanished after walking outside a Metallica concert in Charlottesville. The investigation is ongoing.

Video: The Top Three Stories Of 2009 00:35
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Article:
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755692

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Angel Who Cares
01-02-2010, 01:32 PM
Added this video to post above, but forgot to hit save! LOL
It was too late to edit now! :wink:

Video: Harrington Investigation Continuing 2:36
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Zoe Bogart
01-05-2010, 09:52 AM
So they know Morgan consumed alcohol, and that she suffered a fall in the stadium, according to eyewitness reports. She was acting "irrationally". Okay, that's plausible. She had a few swift swigs. She was unsteady on her feet, falling because she was drinking or unable to catch herself because she was "unsteady". So far, so good. But why leave the arena and why tell her friends she would get a ride home when they were her ride? (assuming it really wasn't Morgan's car they were using) :waitasec:

Again, maybe she was tipsy, unsettled because of the fall, went out of the arena accidentally or purposely not realizing they wouldn't let her in. She calls her friends to say she is locked out and not allowed back in. Then she says, "I'll get a ride home". :waitasec: Then she drops her purse several times, and then leaves it behind, and wanders out to the bridge and begins hitchhiking. :snooty:

What is wrong with this picture?

If all these incidents are true, I'm thinking the only logical scenario was that she left the area in a huff because she had a disagreement with her friends.

She was drinking, she went to another area of the arena, took a fall, somehow ended up outside the arena, telephoned her friends telling them her plight of being locked out. Could they have argued at this point? She wanted them to help her, or leave with her, and they refused? Or could have there been an argument prior to her leaving their seating area, even before the fall, making her even more upset that they wouldn't come out to help her after she was locked out of the arena?

Of course the friends aren't at fault for the abduction, but could they feel responsible, or be afraid because they could have added to the plight of Morgan?

No matter how I look at this situation, I see those "friends" being indirectly involved, purposefully or not. Is it possible they think not telling the whole truth isn't hurting the investigation? :waitasec:

Just thinking.

momsbold1
01-06-2010, 05:04 AM
The charts certainly support big time trouble with the friends. There is a nasty looking stellium in the 5th house (parties, games, fun,) the Moon sits right in that stellium and she herself is in the Via Combusta! The Moon tells the story and she is in the Burning way, and within 2 degrees of the Sun.
Marc Edmond Jones taught that often the answer to a question lies across from the house that pertains to the question. Well if we hop straight across from the 5th, we land in the 11th (friends). I feel there is much more we will hear concerning the "friends" before this is all over. I still can't get past the fact she went to the washroom alone! Back in the day, when one of us went to the restroom at a concert, we all went! Like an over-teased, over-sprayed, over perfumed teenagers at a concert ameoba. And if by some bizarre event we got separated, and someone was stuck outside, some of us would have gone out to wait with our locked out friend. This whole thing stinks.

***astros*** have any of you done any work about where Morgan may be located? Or any timing issues? I am going to work on that Wednesday, and share my thoughts with the forum then.

Vaire

Ghostmaster
01-06-2010, 03:33 PM
Below is a post that was on WS back in early Nov. I had not seen it but it contains some key questions regarding what happened that night. Questions which were answered indirectly by the friends themselves. With so much discussion being about the friends that went that night and what happend, I thought I'd re-post it. I know some of you have seen it before but I thought there may be a few folks like me that hadn't.

11-02-2009, 10:15 PM
tarheelplaya06
Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 23

Quote:
Originally Posted by FifthEssence
Hello again TARHEELPLAYA....have assembled a few questions in an orderly fashion as you requested.

1. Please confirm, was Morgan's car the auto the group drove in
to the arena ?
a. yes
b. no

2. If yes, why did she not take possession of her keys upon arrival?
a. wasn't a big deal, not an issue
b. she suggested she may be staying in Charlottesville
and was OK letting friends take the car back home

3. Do the girlfriends know WHY she left their group prior to Metallica
and what TIME was it?
a. bathroom break
b. feeling ill
c. smoke a cigarette
d. was going to look for a friend she thought might be at the concert?
e. girls were not aware she had walked away from group

4. Law Enforcement reported one of the girls initiated
a call to Morgan @8:48pm.
Was this a conversation or texting back and forth?

5. What was the tone & nature of that 8:48 communication?
a. upset she could not get back in
b. wasn't a big deal she couldn't get in
c. was? or was not? interested in getting the car keys
d. she had already contacted someone in Charlottesville or met up
with someone
e. she was or had been hassled by some strange guy(s)

6. Did she mention she had an injury to her face, chin?
a. if yes, did she say when-(time) and how it happen?
b. no, she never mentioned an injury, that she fell or slipped?
c. she fell, tripped, slipped? while with the girlfriends?

7. Did she mention a male person she was hoping or planning to run into
at the concert? (discuss w/ girl pals days before, or on the drive down?)

8. Were there plans for the group of friends to party in Charlottesville after
the concert or was the original plan, everyone would go back home?

9. VERY important, Did the girls ever communicate with her again
after the 8:48pm call?
Could the girls please provide us with the TIME of their earliest call to her
when they didn't get a response following the 8:48pm communication?

10. Were any of the girl pals aware of some new male interest, perhaps
someone she never met in person but had been communicating
w/on Facebook?

If you could please respond to the above, we can see how those pieces of info you provide us with fit into the chart activity already discussed. It would help to determine those areas of the chart aspects we could further exploit.


Blessings~
FIFTHESSENCE

these are only the ones i could find out bc the ones i couldnt were too personal to ask.

1)a
2)a
3)c
4)convo
5)d but could also be a
6)b
7)could not tell because it was "confidental info for the police only"
8)plans were to go back to JMU where the gf and bf lived but plans were altered
9)did not call before battery taken out, but not a specific time when the next call took place
10)they do not know if the friends knew who she was with, but they feel that the group did know who she was supposed to be with since they would not leave her alone. but again, the girls would not admit if they didnt because they would be ashamed.

and guys i dont think i can get much more info out of the friends, they kind of want to be left alone so hopefully this helps, but tarheelplaya06 is going to be signing out on info giving out because i dont want it to seem like im invesigating them since they already have enough of that going on. hope you respect that.

i appreciate all of your help and maybe we can now give them an update astrology since i told them you guys would.

Tuba
01-08-2010, 09:14 PM
Vaire, please do follow through. Morgan needs all the help she can get. We've worked the event up, down and sideways but there has been little charting of what ensued after that Sunday, October 18, 2009. I've been looking over toward Richmond and the Chickahominy River.

momsbold1
01-09-2010, 07:25 AM
Tuba,

I will start working on the direction today. I have been hem-hawing about doing this because this 9:30 chart does not seem right to me, more on that
later. Time to brew some tea and pull out the chart.

Vaire

momsbold1
01-11-2010, 10:13 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/911Chartturned-MorganH-Vaire.jpg


First, I would like to explain a couple of things that I have done in relation to the Morgan Location Chart. I have moved the time of the chart to when Morgan's father, Dr. Daniel P. Harrington first called 911. This would make it (at least in my mind) more like a Horary. Alphee Lavoie also uses the time of the first call to 911 for his missing person's charts. In Classical Horary, the best time to ask the question is when your heart is crying out for the answer. Dr. Harrington surely must have had grave concerns over her well being and whereabouts when he called. You will also see that I have not put Morgan at the ascendant, but in the 5th, as she is Dr. H's daughter. I turned the chart from there, making the 5th the 1st, and renumbering (turning) the houses.

The ascendant is 26 degrees Sagittarius, almost placing restriction on reading the chart due to the late degree of ascension. In the classical sense, this would warn the astrologer that it is too late to ask the question, or the querent is somehow false. I feel in this case, since it is close, but not quite too late, points to the fact that Morgan's father had already made many inquiries to her friends about her whereabouts.

The Moon, Morgan's co-ruler, is in bad shape. She is in the Via Combusta, and She is combust (conjunt) the Sun. She squares Mars. She sits at 1 degree Scorpio, where She is in her Fall. Certainly a big change has occured here. Mars cocks the gun, and the Moon pulls the trigger, so it has been said.

Venus rules Morgan, and in the turned chart, she resides in the 5th! This is the same house that Mercury occupied in the 9:30 pm chart, when Mercury was Morgans ruler! That pretty much convinced me using this 911 chart was the right way to go, at least for now. More on Venus....she is sextile Mars, and conjunt Saturn. This would indicate to me that there was no violent act done upon her person from an party other than herself. Saturn energy here says to me someone who would feel a duty to try and assist her. Venus also finds her joy in the 5th.

Side note: Saturn in the 5th "therein show disobedient children and untoward" Lilly, pg. 53.

I would love to see what all you wonderful astros glean off the 911 chart. You all take a look sooooo much deeper that I ever go, its like watching layers of truth being brought to the light of the Sun.

As to location, I would say North West of her home (not last seen), not very far, the local would be known to her, but she does not travel that way every day. There is a large National Forest (Monongahela) that lies in that direction. Road that leads from Charlottesville to Harrisonburg runs along side it. I would look in the fields, on the ground, near windmills (do you have those tall electric generating spinners in VA?) Near places that mill wood, and the sides of hills. I say these things because Libra indicates West, and the 5th house North by Northwest. I am going with more West than North because Libra sits at the Midheaven of the radical (not turned) chart, and 5 planets of the visible 7 span the 9th and 10th houses, 3 of them in Libra.

Side note: Monongahela in a loose Latin translation means "falling banks" and are not the sides of hills considered banks when they are near water?

I would start from the place Morgan sleeps, not the JP Arena, and make my way down the road from there. Find a place where a car could pull over and drag a body into a place not easily seen from the road, near to where the physical markers mentioned above are. Between 10 and 20 miles. I know that seems like a large area, but take a look at the topography! This area is VAST. I would only search on the west side, at least for starters.

I don't know how to post the chart, I use Placidean houses.

Side note: Once again, comparing the 9:30 to the 911 chart, the direction does not change.

Vaire

May God Bless our work, and amend it where needed.......

salvarenga
01-11-2010, 11:21 AM
Vaire or anyone...

What is the home address for Morgan? I am looking at some maps based on Vaire's location post.

momsbold1
01-11-2010, 12:20 PM
I know they live in Roanoke, VA, but I do not have the exact address. I am
at a quandry as to where to begin the search, as I have worked up the location cookbooking Lilly. I am taking the location as being in the succedant 5th house from her home. But is her home where her parents are or where she sleeps??? I was at first thinking where she sleeps, but then do students ever think of dorms as their homes? NO. They "go home" for break, vacations, holiday's etc.

What does the board think?

I feel she is along Rt 64, somewhere between the Arena and her dorm in
Harrisonburg. Closer to the dorm than the Arena.

Vaire