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SuziQ
10-30-2009, 05:40 PM
Cleveland Police make a grisly discovery on the city's southeast side while serving a search warrant Thursday night.
Two badly decomposed bodies were discovered on the third flood of E. 122 and Imperial Thursday night. The homeowner is 50-year-old registered sex offender Anthony Sowell.
"It's to the point where our investigators can't tell if they're men, women, young, old, black or white. It's that bad," Lt. Thomas Stacho told 19 Action News.
Officers also discovered what appears to be a freshly dug grave in the home's basement. They are now hoping to get permission to dig up the basement.

More at link:
http://www.woio.com/global/story.asp?s=11412465

SuziQ
10-30-2009, 05:43 PM
http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=122520&article=6242446

(snip)
According to Cleveland Police, sex crimes detectives went to Sowell’s home Thursday evening with a search warrant looking for evidence in that attack. Upon searching the home, detectives found two bodies in an advanced state of decomposition on the third floor of the home and what appears to be a freshly dug grave in the basement.

Ken Robinson talked with neighbors of Sowell, one of whom says she gave him a ride home Thursday night, and during that ride, he confessed to her that he killed the two people whose bodies were found in the home. Before they got to his house, Sowell bailed out of the car and hasn't been seen since.

Salem
10-30-2009, 05:47 PM
Oh my gosh! Awful. The article should have said where the dirtbag was last seen and where they think he might go. We should have absconded sex offender alerts like Amber Alerts. Find them before they find another victim.

I hope they can ID the bodies fairly quickly or that any family members that know their loved ones associated with this POS will come forward to help. So sad.

Salem

SuziQ
10-30-2009, 05:51 PM
Alot more info at the below link:
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/suspect_at_large_after_two_bod.html

Missizzy
10-30-2009, 06:47 PM
That lovely young woman, Kayana, haunts me. Her eyes hold so much pain. I strongly agree that we need an alert program in place for wanted RSOs. That's a great idea, Salem.

Missizzy
10-30-2009, 06:52 PM
He pleaded guilty to ATTEMPTED rape???????

"In that case, Sowell took a 21-year-old woman to the third-floor bedroom of the house where he was living on Page Avenue in East Cleveland. Once inside, he choked the woman, forced her to take her clothes off and raped her, prosecutors said. After she put her clothes on, he forced her to strip once more and again raped her. Sowell then bound the woman's feet, gagged her and tied her hands behind her back, prosecutors said. He fell asleep on the bed and the woman was able to spit out the gag and free her feet. She made her way to the window and yelled for help. Police arrived a short time later and arrested him, prosecutors said.
Sowell pleaded guilty to two counts of attempted rape in 1990. He was sentenced to between five and 15 years in prison and served the entire sentence before being released in 2005 and moving into the house on Imperial Avenue."

Missizzy
10-30-2009, 06:54 PM
Make that three bodies:

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=124427

Recovering-Lurker
10-30-2009, 08:40 PM
*SCREAMING* When are lawmakers going to learn these "people" need to be locked up from the get go???

Columbo
10-30-2009, 09:17 PM
*SCREAMING* When are lawmakers going to learn these "people" need to be locked up from the get go???

I hope they find him pronto and lock him up forever.

mysticrose
10-30-2009, 09:26 PM
Real Time News »
Five dead bodies at Anthony Sowell's house, police sources say



CLEVELAND, Ohio -- At least five dead bodies have been found at Anthony Sowell's home on Imperial Avenue, police sources said.

Personnel from the coroner's office were seen making several trips in and out of the house Friday night. Police officials would not confirm that the number of bodies found had gone from three to five.

Scores of law enforcement officers searched Friday night for Sowell, a convicted sex offender.

At least three additional bodies were found Friday. Coroner's vans were lined up outside the house Friday after a cadaver dog was brought in to assist with the search.


"(Sowell) is the most wanted man in Cleveland right now," said police Lt. Thomas Stacho, who said investigators will continue searching the house and yard "inch by inch, foot by foot."

U.S Marshals were called in from out of state to assist in the manhunt for Sowell, who moved into the home on Imperial Avenue in 2005 after serving 15 years in prison for rape

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/police_find_third_body_still_s.html

Stoshie
10-30-2009, 09:36 PM
Looks like they are up to 6

http://www.woio.com/global/story.asp?s=11412465

rpipergirl
10-30-2009, 09:42 PM
I guess he didn't want the new pair of shiny silver braclets the had for him.

mysteriew
10-30-2009, 10:04 PM
I just hope the SO is too busy running to take time to stop and harm anyone else. LOL, I also hope he stays up north!

Ok so they have a warrant for him on another rape and go to the home. They don't find him, but they go in and find two comparatively recent deceased remains. They dig and find 4 bodies more. This guy has been out of prison since 2005, so I think they will find more. Probably many more.



Updated at 9:55 p.m.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/police_find_third_body_still_s.html

Stacho said three bodies were found for sure, and it is believed the remains of three others were located. At least two of the bodies were women. One body was found in the back yard, the rest in the house.

Stacho said the bodies "appear to be in different stages of decomposition." He said a expert from the Cleveland Museum of Natural History was at the house helping coroner employees determine when the victims had died.

Police halted their search for bodies about 8:30 p.m. Stacho said investigators will comb the house and yard "inch by inch, foot by foot."

From that article I am seeing 4 women that have claimed rape or attempted frape by him since Dec. 2008. The Dec. 2008 woman didn't want to press charges evidently. The other three are all since Sept. 2009. And he has been out walking around until LE showed up to arrest him on Thurs.

LadyL
10-30-2009, 10:10 PM
I just hope the SO is too busy running to take time to stop and harm anyone else. LOL, I also hope he stays up north!

up north where?

I think he's probably already or is planning to commit suicide & will evade justice that way

Missizzy
10-30-2009, 10:22 PM
I'm sorry but I'm not totally grasping this. Sowell does 15 years for "Attempted Rape". There's another rape reported last December but the victim is too intimidated to testify. There's another rape last month and yet another, with a woman falling or jumping from the house just 10 days ago. How many victims does it take to stop a rapist?

It seems plausible that he was able to lure his victims but they certainly weren't willing participants. They ran screaming from this house (the fortunate ones, anyway). Can we ask what the neighbors were thinking and doing and reporting? How about LE? It doesn't look as if this man was very careful in his crimes--he fell asleep with the victim from 1989. Who dropped the ball here?

mysteriew
10-30-2009, 10:32 PM
I'm sorry but I'm not totally grasping this. Sowell does 15 years for "Attempted Rape". There's another rape reported last December but the victim is too intimidated to testify. There's another rape last month and yet another, with a woman falling or jumping from the house just 10 days ago. How many victims does it take to stop a rapist? It seems plausible that he was able to lure his victims but they certainly weren't willing participants. They ran screaming from this house (the fortunate ones, anyway). Can we ask what the neighbors were thinking and doing and reporting? How about LE? It doesn't look as if this man was very careful in his crimes--he fell asleep with the victim from 1989. Who dropped the ball here?

About 10 at least??? 6 very quiet dead ones, then 4 living complaining ones. And this guy was a convicted SO! He has a known history and tendency.

mysteriew
10-30-2009, 10:35 PM
up north where?

I think he's probably already or is planning to commit suicide & will evade justice that way

North of me!

mysticrose
10-30-2009, 10:49 PM
Decomposed bodies found in eastside home

Police seeking Anthony Sowell.
By Dean Leyland, Newsradio WTAM 1100
Thursday, October 29, 2009

People in the neighborhood are speculating as to whose bodies were in the house. Kayana Hunt is wondering if one of the bodies could be her mother Nancy Cobbs, who vanished from the neighborhood without a trace six month ago.

Others are speculating one of the bodies could be Sowell’s sister. Neighbors also say the only outward sign that two bodies were in the house was a nasty smell a few months ago. At the time, people thought it was the smell of sewer gas

http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=122520&article=6242446

mysticrose
10-30-2009, 10:52 PM
Patricia Warren of Cleveland holds up a poster of her cousin Janice Webb, missing since June of this year, outside the home of Anthony Sowell

http://photos.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/2009/10/police_find_more_bodies_in_ant_6.html

mysticrose
10-30-2009, 11:02 PM
http://photos.cleveland.com/4501/gallery/police_pull_more_bodies_from_east_side_home/slideshow/index.html

passionflower
10-30-2009, 11:06 PM
Just when I thought I read a bizzare story, another one comes up.........
IMO,maybe we should send all these perverts to an island and just let them live with each other! and not with decent people!

mysteriew
10-30-2009, 11:08 PM
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/11821

trigger
10-30-2009, 11:24 PM
Looks like they are up to 6

http://www.woio.com/global/story.asp?s=11412465

Im reading this and I cannot believe what im reading. Up to 6 now. OMG this is so horrible. I wonder if these people were reported missing...

Adrienne37
10-30-2009, 11:55 PM
Just when I thought I read a bizzare story, another one comes up.........
IMO,maybe we should send all these perverts to an island and just let them live with each other! and not with decent people!

I agree completely and would 100% support such action as this although it won't ever happen because then the SO's will all complain that their civil rights have been violated. Sickening!

MeoW333
10-31-2009, 12:08 AM
Another serial killer.. He figured if he raped the women they would talk and get him sent to prison, so he decided to kill them so they couldn't talk. Sicko probably decided he liked killing them better anyway. He evolved into a serial killer from a rapist.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's hidden more bodies at relative's houses or in other places he may be familiar with.
His picture is out there and he's a wanted man now, very likely he may turn spree. He certainly is extremely dangerous at this point.
He seemed to result to killing the women so they couldn't talk after raping them. I guess he didn't like his 15 year prison term.
I wonder what his endgame strategy will be? Suicide by cop...?

mysteriew
10-31-2009, 01:18 AM
CNN has a different version on the location of the bodies:



What they did find were the badly decomposed remains of two bodies on the third floor of the house, which is owned by an elderly relative of Sowell who did not live there, Stacho said.

A subsequent search on Thursday revealed what appeared to be a freshly dug grave under the stairs in the basement, he said.

On Friday, investigators returned to the house, dug up the grave and found a third body, he said.

A further search of the house and property found two more bodies in a crawl space and a sixth body was found in a shallow grave outside the home, Stacho said
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/30/ohio.cleveland.bodies/

Stoshie
10-31-2009, 08:57 AM
There are a lot of abandoned homes on the city's east side. The are searching abandoned homes for him. I wonder if they will find anything else. There was a womans body found in an abandoned home just recently......

I wonder how long he has been doing this and how many victims. sick, sick, sick.

BeanE
10-31-2009, 09:32 AM
Why are they calling him a serial rapist when he's murdered so many people? I would think serial killer. Do they mean that he's a serial rapist who kills only if he 'has' to? That the thrill/compulsion for him is the rape rather than the murder?

This is just horrific. I can't believe they ever let this guy out, and that after letting him out, they weren't tracking him enough to know he's done *all this*!!!

Women everywhere (I'm gonna assume for now his victims are all women) should be outraged! I know I am!!

Is there a picture of him that can be posted in this thread for people to be on the lookout for him? TIA

smart blonde
10-31-2009, 09:33 AM
How many known bodies/ victims found in the house now? The last I heard the number was at six.
That sounds like a serial killer to me.

Stoshie
10-31-2009, 09:50 AM
Number is still at 6. They are going to continue to dig in the back yard today (or maybe the basement), according to one of the news sources.


"Investigators intend to continue digging at the Imperial Avenue property today in a search for more bodies. Sowell, 50, has lived in the home since 2005. "
Bold from bottom of article.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/police_stationed_outside_house.html

fran
10-31-2009, 10:17 AM
They're going to have a news conference at 11:45a.m.

From the above link:

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/police_stationed_outside_house.html

Posted by RollinHearse
October 31, 2009, 9:47AM
Hey guys. I was one of the HRT's (Human Remains Technicians) that first arrived on the scene AND has been there over the last few days. To be completely honest the whole neighborhood stunk, but not until you got within 4 or 5 houses you could smell the decomp. What i don't understand is the bodies were so badly decomped we could not even tell male or female, which means they were sitting for atleast a month and a half. Sheriffs department was at his house on 9/22/2009. Which means they are either completely stupid or just stupid for not being able to smell the decomp of a 2 week old body. The whole neighborhood would have smelled it. And BTW ,None of these are the girls from the west side that were taken in 03-04 and 05-06.....

eyes4crime
10-31-2009, 10:30 AM
They're going to have a news conference at 11:45a.m.

From the above link:

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/police_stationed_outside_house.html

Posted by RollinHearse
October 31, 2009, 9:47AM
Hey guys. I was one of the HRT's (Human Remains Technicians) that first arrived on the scene AND has been there over the last few days. To be completely honest the whole neighborhood stunk, but not until you got within 4 or 5 houses you could smell the decomp. What i don't understand is the bodies were so badly decomped we could not even tell male or female, which means they were sitting for atleast a month and a half. Sheriffs department was at his house on 9/22/2009. Which means they are either completely stupid or just stupid for not being able to smell the decomp of a 2 week old body. The whole neighborhood would have smelled it. And BTW ,None of these are the girls from the west side that were taken in 03-04 and 05-06.....

Hi RollinHearse - any idea why they aren't calling this guy a 'serial killer'? Hard to believe anybody could live around the kind of stench these bodies would give off..didn't the neighbors complain to anybody???? TIA

wfgodot
10-31-2009, 10:47 AM
This may be the highest body count in Cleveland since the notorious "Mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run"/Torso Murders case in the 1930s, which was never solved. In that case there were 12 victims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsbury_run_murders

Stoshie
10-31-2009, 10:55 AM
This may be the highest body count in Cleveland since the notorious "Mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run"/Torso Murders case in the 1930s, which was never solved. In that case there were 12 victims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsbury_run_murders

This is exactly what I was thinking about this morning. I was just at the Cleveland Police Museum earlier this month. They had a display about this case.

I don't ever recall anything else with such a high body count in Cleveland.

wfgodot
10-31-2009, 11:00 AM
This is exactly what I was thinking about this morning. I was just at the Cleveland Police Museum earlier this month. They had a display about this case.

I don't ever recall anything else with such a high body count in Cleveland.

That one gets my vote for creepiest unsolved serial killer case ever. I remember first reading about it when I was a kid. Scary.

Stoshie
10-31-2009, 11:34 AM
joanne mercer has some interesting comments here.

"Tony has been at this for more than 20yrs it started when he was in jr high school"

She has also added a few others.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/police_find_third_body_still_s/691/comments-3.html

Carrington
10-31-2009, 11:38 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/death

The people commenting on this article are calling him "Tony" are saying he has been raping since 8th grade......also calling him the Lee Rd rapist. Mother and sister always protecting him.

IMO

wfgodot
10-31-2009, 11:47 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/death

The people commenting on this article are calling him "Tony" are saying he has been raping since 8th grade......also calling him the Lee Rd rapist. Mother and sister always protecting him.

IMO

Yep. The blog posts have the ring of authenticity because of that factor. Same name here---in eighth grade I was Tony, I grew up and became Anthony.

Inch High PI
10-31-2009, 12:09 PM
http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=122520&article=6242446

(snip)
According to Cleveland Police, sex crimes detectives went to Sowell’s home Thursday evening with a search warrant looking for evidence in that attack. Upon searching the home, detectives found two bodies in an advanced state of decomposition on the third floor of the home and what appears to be a freshly dug grave in the basement.

Ken Robinson talked with neighbors of Sowell, one of whom says she gave him a ride home Thursday night, and during that ride, he confessed to her that he killed the two people whose bodies were found in the home. Before they got to his house, Sowell bailed out of the car and hasn't been seen since.

I found an article where this "neighbor" mentioned above now has a different story about driving him around. I wonder if her story changed or if the press got it wrong. This whole story of hers has me scratching my head- why would she go look for him and then drive him around? I just don't get it!

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/police_find_third_body_still_s.html

From the link:

Neighbor Debbie Madison saw commotion at Sowell's house Thursday. She heard talk of dead bodies inside and feared Sowell might be dead, so she went to Sowell's sister's home on East 130th Street. Sowell was resting on a couch inside.

He asked for a ride home. Sowell started talking as they approached the house, Madison said.

"He said it was true," Madison said. "That's when I became scared.

"He told me, 'It's all gonna come out.' He said, 'That girl made me do it,' " Madison said.

Instead of continuing to his home, Sowell asked Madison to drive him back to his sister's. She did.



So which is correct-did he hop out of the car or did she drop him off at his sister's? Did she go to the police or straight to the media? :waitasec:

Stoshie
10-31-2009, 12:13 PM
I seen that too.

I also wonder who "that girl" is. What a sicko.

I guess they haven't had the media briefing yet. WKYC at noon said they will be having it shortly.

Stoshie
10-31-2009, 12:22 PM
He has been arrested.


http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/police_stationed_outside_house.html

fran
10-31-2009, 12:31 PM
These poor people who have loved ones missing. Thinking there's even a possibility this could have been where they met their fate.
:(
fran


http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/police_stationed_outside_house.html

Police are also setting up a mobile command center at East 123rd Street and Soika Avenue where they are asking people with missing relatives to bring anything with potential DNA evidence. They hope it will help investigators determine the identity of the dead people found inside Sowell's Imperial Avenue home.

SuziQ
10-31-2009, 12:40 PM
Has the presser happened yet? I'm not seeing any live links.

Stoshie
10-31-2009, 12:43 PM
I think they may have already had the presser. Fox 8 stated that they had the press conference. They said that he was arrested and they are continuing to search for bodies.

http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bodies-grave-in-home-txt,0,3291855.story

It sounds as if they had the press conference at 11:45 to ask the public to be on the lookout and arrested him after noon. (putting the various local news stories together)

Inch High PI
10-31-2009, 01:40 PM
Wow- he was just walking around in plain sight. Someone spotted him and went to the police station and the police went to arrest him. Thank goodness he's no longer out there! Let's pray they keep him this time!

Missizzy
10-31-2009, 02:15 PM
LE is high-fiving that they got him? I think the observant passer-by "got him". He/she gets my vote.

Missizzy
10-31-2009, 02:32 PM
Can someone explain why so many people in Cleveland were asking what Sowell looked like as long ago as 17-18 hours? Wasn't his picture plastered everywhere? We had links to it. I realize that not everyone has internet but I would think that the TV news channels available in Cleveland would have splashed photos across the screen every few minutes. It seems odd that so many people were even unclear as to the man's race.

mysticrose
10-31-2009, 03:15 PM
Well I sure hope the person who came in and reported him gets the reward money...At least someone was paying attention !

Bee Happy
10-31-2009, 03:57 PM
This hits home as I know the area like the back of my hand.
The area is riddled with violence and is very poor.
I hope they can identify these people soon. *sigh*

Stoshie
10-31-2009, 04:11 PM
Never have been in the area, but know of it.

A woman's body was found in an abandoned home about 20-25 blocks from there earlier this month.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/womans_body_found_on_cleveland.html

Stoshie
10-31-2009, 04:51 PM
Video of the presser from earlier on this link.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/police_stationed_outside_house.html

Inch High PI
10-31-2009, 05:17 PM
LE is high-fiving that they got him? I think the observant passer-by "got him". He/she gets my vote.

I agree Missizzy- seems they got lucky on this one- real lucky, thanks to a very alert and very brave citizen.

Columbo
10-31-2009, 05:19 PM
It sounds as if this guy was well known as a rapist in the neighborhood and beyond. Why why why was he roaming free? He's sick!
Maybe the people in this neighborhood feel so beaten down and lack faith in LE so much that they didn't even bother to report him, or the smell of death (which is pretty unmistakable)?
Sad.

newshound6
10-31-2009, 05:41 PM
I live in Cleve. the thing I can't believe is how many people right around his area have loved ones missing. This seems like some war torn third world country where you could go missing and nobody will ever hear of you again. EVERY missing person should be looked for like Morgan Harrington and Lacey Peterson etc....

mysteriew
10-31-2009, 10:26 PM
They're going to have a news conference at 11:45a.m.

From the above link:

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/police_stationed_outside_house.html

Posted by RollinHearse
October 31, 2009, 9:47AM
Hey guys. I was one of the HRT's (Human Remains Technicians) that first arrived on the scene AND has been there over the last few days. To be completely honest the whole neighborhood stunk, but not until you got within 4 or 5 houses you could smell the decomp. What i don't understand is the bodies were so badly decomped we could not even tell male or female, which means they were sitting for atleast a month and a half. Sheriffs department was at his house on 9/22/2009. Which means they are either completely stupid or just stupid for not being able to smell the decomp of a 2 week old body. The whole neighborhood would have smelled it. And BTW ,None of these are the girls from the west side that were taken in 03-04 and 05-06.....

He has a good point about LE. They were there on 9/22. So either the remains weren't there or hadn't been there long when they were there. Or they just never noticed the odor.........

According to that article AS's half bro says that his stepmom owns the home. And that he hasn't been able to get in touch with his stepmom. Neighbors have said that stepmom is in a nursing home. So she might be one possibility for one set of remains. Surely LE is checking on her?

mysteriew
10-31-2009, 10:51 PM
Autopsy's have been done on all 6, but the coroner isn't releasing the cause of death. An earlier article says that of the two found on the third floor, both were African American, and at least one of those died from violence though they aren't saying what type of violence.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jGQmSQzOVfHOMgQ6cXJ1eqhsCS-QD9BMAEMG0

Stoshie
10-31-2009, 11:14 PM
Fox is reporting that most were strangled.

http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bodies-grave-in-home-txt,0,3291855.story


I am having a hard time keeping up with all of these reports. Different sources reporting bits and pieces.

mysteriew
10-31-2009, 11:27 PM
CNN is saying strangled too. All the articles are stressing that the remains could have been there for "weeks, months or years." So I think the cops who were there in Sept. have some explaining to do.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/31/ohio.cleveland.bodies/

MeoW333
10-31-2009, 11:48 PM
Wow! Thank God they caught him. I am surprised he didn't put up a fight at all or even bother to run. He didn't even leave the area he was familiar with!
He's a odd one, i wonder if he's responsible for more murders.
The main thing is they caught him quick!

Stoshie
11-01-2009, 12:23 AM
CNN is saying strangled too. All the articles are stressing that the remains could have been there for "weeks, months or years." So I think the cops who were there in Sept. have some explaining to do.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/31/ohio.cleveland.bodies/

I agree. Something here stinks! I mean that in the literal sense too!

From what people on the comment sections in the local news, there is a sausage processing shop next door, or something like that. Sounds as if there is a lot of smells going on around the area. I read that a neighbor said that there was a smell a while back or something like that.

I had something dead stinking around my home in the middle of August a few years ago. It took about a week to find it. It was a dead opossum that fell into a barrell in the neighbors back yard. Stunk up the whole area and was a smell that I would never forget.

mysteriew
11-01-2009, 12:49 AM
About the sausage shop, I read about that in one of the links. One poster says it stinks, another said yes it smelled, but smelled good. I would think that the neighbors would be familiar with and used to the smell from that. So when they talked about something stinking, I wouldn't think they would be talking about a smell they were used to.

momtective
11-01-2009, 12:50 AM
I've mapped the missing female adults that I could find from the immediate area of Cleveland and Columbus. Amost all of the missing females in that immediate area are African American.
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/map.jpg
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/addresses.jpg
A) 12205 Imperial Cleveland OH----- Anthony Sowell Home

B) MISSING PERSON CHERI YVETTE WHITE-HAYWOOD Endangered Missing Adult Born: 03-21-1965; Gender: Female; Height: 63 inches; Weight: 115 lbs; Eyes: Brown; Hair: Brown; Race: Black; Identifying Marks: Pierced ears.; Circumstances of disappearance: Unknown. Cheri left her residence with a male acquaintance and did not return home. She was last seen in the vicinity of Martin Luther King Blvd. and Angelus Ave. in Cleveland, OH.; Investigative Case #: 01-4008-34; MISSING APRIL 01, 2000 FROM CLEVELAND, OH Anyone having information regarding CHERI YVETTE WHITE-HAYWOOD please contact: CLEVELAND POLICE DEPARTMENT 1-216-623-5263

C). MISSING PERSON ROMERO LAVANDER HUDGINS Endangered Missing Adult Born: 02-03-1966; Gender: Female; Height: 65 inches; Weight: 150 lbs; Eyes: Brown; Hair: Black; Race: Black; Identifying Marks: Scar on back of lower leg.; Circumstances of disappearance: Unknown. Romero was last seen on the west side of Akron, near Raymond St. in Akron, OH. ; Investigative Case #: 01005718; MISSING JANUARY 27, 2001 FROM AKRON, OH Anyone having information regarding ROMERO LAVANDER HUDGINS please contact: AKRON POLICE DEPARTMENT 1-330-375-2490

D) MISSING PERSON CHRISTINE LORRAINE BROCK Endangered Missing Adult Born: 07-14-1971; Gender: Female; Height: 64 inches; Weight: 90 lbs; Eyes: Blue; Hair: Sandy; Race: White; Identifying Marks: Scar on tip of middle right finger, tattoo of the "sun, moon and stars" on right hip, brown birthmark on back of leg.; Last Seen Wearing: T-shirt and shorts (color unknown).; Circumstances of disappearance: Unknown. Christine was last seen at the Asian Garden Restaurant on Elm Rd., talking on the payphone.; Investigative Case #: 00-24077; MISSING AUGUST 10, 2000 FROM WARREN, OH Anyone having information regarding CHRISTINE LORRAINE BROCK please contact: WARREN POLICE DEPARTMENT 1-330-841-2536

E) Lori Boffman wore her hair in dreadlocks. She is a diabetic and is a missing/endangered person.S he was last seen leaving in her vehicle from her residence. Her vehicle was located the next day in Younstown, Ohio. It had been involved a wreck/property damage. Lori was not located at that time and has not been seen since.

F) Patricia Ann Adkins Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance Missing Since: June 29, 2001 from Marysville, Ohio Classification: Missing Date Of Birth: 1972 Age: 29 Height: 5'8" Weight: 120 lbs. Hair Color: Blonde Eye Color: Hazel Race: White Gender: Female Distinguishing Characteristics: Tattoo with blue and green flower design on middle of back AKA: "Patti" Details of Disappearance Adkins was last seen on June 29, 2001 at Honda of America Mfg., Inc., Marysville Automotive Plant, at the end of 2nd shift. She was reported missing on Sunday, July 8, 2001 by her sister after failing to retrieve her 7 year old daughter. Patti was to leave on a week long vacation with a male co-worker. The co-worker was contacted and it was discovered that he never left town and had no plans to do so. Investigating Agency If you have any information concerning this case, please contact: Marysville Police Department 937-642-3900

G) Ashley Tyronda Norah
AKA: Ash Missing Since: 6/20/2002 Sex Female Race Black Age 21 Age 25 (At time missing) Hgt 5Ft1In Wgt 120 lbs Hair Black Eye Brown

H) Crystal D. Wilson Last seen in purple sweater, black pants and black shoes with black coat at the "Friendly Grill" in Columbus, Ohio on December 21, 2003, at approximately 1:00 a.m. Vehicle Description: White, 4 door, 97 Ford Taurus, Ohio License, BM10QN

MISSING PERSON LAKEISHA NICHOLE ARCHIE Endangered Missing Adult Born: 02-05-1980; Gender: Female; Height: 65 inches; Weight: 170 lbs; Eyes: Black; Hair: Brown; Race: Black; Identifying Marks: Tattoo of the name "Lakeisha" on right side of her neck in black ink, tattoo of a "black panther" on on left forearm, tattoos of claws on each breast.; Last Seen Wearing: Possibly wearing multi-colored T-shirt and jeans with white "Adidas" with red stripes or blue "Nike" athletic shoes with zipper on front on patent leather heel.; Circumstances of disappearance: Unknown. Lakeisha was dropped off at her residence, by a family member, in the vicinity of Park St., and Buckeye in Sidney, OH.; Investigative Case #: 02-5624; MISSING AUGUST 05, 2002 FROM SIDNEY, OH Anyone having information regarding LAKEISHA NICHOLE ARCHIE please contact: SIDNEY POLICE DEPARTMENT 1-937-498-2351 The National Center for Missing Adults A Division Of Nation's Missing Children Organization, Inc. 2432 West Peoria Avenue, Suite 1286, Phoenix, Arizona 85029 Tel: 602-749-2000 Fax: 602-749-2020 Hotline: 800-690-FIND PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT HTTP://WWW.MISSINGADULTS.ORG

I) Last seen in purple sweater, black pants and black shoes with black coat at the "Friendly Grill" in Columbus, Ohio on December 21, 2003, at approximately 1:00 a.m. Vehicle Description: White, 4 door, 97 Ford Taurus, Ohio License, BM10QN.

J) Dawn Brown was last heard from on OCT 14, 2003. The last known address is 1264 Elmdale Dr. Kettering, OH 45409 in Apr, 2004. She may have moved to the Germantown/Farmersville area around FEB, 2005 with an unidentifed male. She may have bleached her hair Blonde. Dawn has a tatto of the Greatful Dead Bear on her left hip. There is a reward being offered for information leading to the whereabouts of Dawn Brown. Please contact Kettering Police Department at 937-296-2555 if you have any infomation about Dawn Brown

K) MISSING PERSON CARLA ELIZABETH LOSEY Endangered Missing Adult Born: 05-16-1982; Gender: Female; Height: 65 inches; Weight: 140 lbs; Eyes: Brown; Hair: Brown; Race: White; Identifying Marks: Pierced ears, pierced tongue, 3" scar across forehead, round scar on left hand, mole above right side of mouth. Carla is Yugoslavian but looks Hispanic.; Circumstances of disappearance: Unknown. Carla was last seen at El Grotto's in the vicinity of W. Broad St. in Columbus, OH. She was last seen leaving with a black male.; Investigative Case #: 3874-03; MISSING DECEMBER 31, 2002 FROM COLUMBUS, OH Anyone having information regarding CARLA ELIZABETH LOSEY please contact: COLUMBUS POLICE DEPARTMENT 1-614-645-4670

L) Frances Corneilius JenkinsAKA: Frances Shellow
Missing Since: 3/10/1981
Sex Female Race Black
Age 59 (At time missing)
Hgt 5Ft1In Wgt 190-210
Hair Black Eye Brown

M) Judith Michele Williams is about 5 feet 7 inches tall and dark complectioned, with large eyes, and dread locks. She is an honor student at Columbus State Community College. Her last known address is 925 Maydield Place Apt. #301, Columbus, OH 43209

N) Chautae Marie Jordan AKA: Tae, Cha
Missing Since: 2/24/2009
Sex Female Race Black
Age 19 Age 20
(At time missing)
Hgt 6Ft0In Wgt 185
Hair Brown Eye Brow
Light Skin, 2 tattoos on wrist RSP-Lamont, Tiffany, brown hair.

Law Enforcement Agency: City of Columbus Police

http://www.ohiomissingadults.com/Default.asp?pagenum=1

mysteriew
11-01-2009, 01:00 AM
I think AS was in prison between 1989 to 2005. I don't know if he lived at this address before he went to prison, but he seems to have lived there since his release in 2005. Also at present at least, he didn't drive. So the area he was in should be limited.

momtective
11-01-2009, 01:02 AM
I think AS was in prison between 1989 to 2005. I don't know if he lived at this address before he went to prison, but he seems to have lived there since his release in 2005.

Thank you for that information. I wasn't really paying attention to the fact that he was in prison. I wish they would have kept him there!

colette
11-01-2009, 03:11 AM
One article I read stated people thought the smell was a "backed up sewer".

SuziQ
11-01-2009, 12:07 PM
Women claiming to have been attacked by Ohio convicted sex offender Anthony Sowell are coming forward to share their horrifying experiences, Fox 8 Cleveland reported.
Two women told Fox 8 Cleveland that they believe Sowell, 50, would have killed them and said they feel lucky to be alive.
"He was gonna kill me," one alleged victim said.

More at link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570855,00.html

Carrington
11-01-2009, 12:59 PM
Sure sounds like the step-mom is one of the victims.
Betting she is NOT in a nursing home.

http://www.cleveland.com

IMO

nursebeeme
11-01-2009, 02:24 PM
Investigators have determined so far that two of the victims are women. Four of them were strangled. How the other two died has not been determined, Stacho said.
The bodies are in various stages of decomposition. Dental records and DNA tests will be used to positively identify the victims.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/4th_district_detectives_meet_w.html



There will be a candlelight vigil Monday evening for the six people found dead in Anthony Sowell's home and yard.
Community activists, religious leaders and families with missing relatives will gather at 7 p.m. at East 123rd Street and Imperial Avenue. The bodies were found Thursday and Friday at a house in the 12200 block of Imperial.
Police say two of the victims were women and four were strangled. Further tests are needed to positively identify the dead.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/candlelight_vigil_monday_eveni.html

Cornflower
11-01-2009, 02:47 PM
Are these two women mentioned in the article the same ones LE already knows about or are they just now coming forward and sharing their story?
"She managed to escape from his house and flag down police, Fox 8 Cleveland reported. Sowell was arrested for rape, kidnapping and robbery — but the case never made it to court." - I mean, is this the same case where the victim wasn´t willing/able to co-operate before?

octobermoon
11-01-2009, 07:02 PM
Ohio coroner: 6 bodies found were homicide victims

CLEVELAND (AP) -- Six badly decomposed bodies found at the home of a convicted rapist facing a new rape allegation were females and all were homicide victims, the coroner's office said Sunday.

Powell Caesar, a spokesman for Cuyahoga County Coroner Frank Miller, said at least five of the victims apparently had been strangled. Decomposition made it difficult to determine how the sixth victim died, he said.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_RAPISTS_HOME_BODIES?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

Bee Happy
11-01-2009, 08:56 PM
A friend of mine says he drove down this street this past summer and it smelled awful.

Are the police that stupid or do they just not care?

Stoshie
11-01-2009, 08:58 PM
House of Horror

Article with a description of the inside of the house.

http://www.woio.com/global/story.asp?s=11422437

mysteriew
11-01-2009, 09:54 PM
Women claiming to have been attacked by Ohio convicted sex offender Anthony Sowell are coming forward to share their horrifying experiences, Fox 8 Cleveland reported.
Two women told Fox 8 Cleveland that they believe Sowell, 50, would have killed them and said they feel lucky to be alive.
"He was gonna kill me," one alleged victim said.

More at link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570855,00.html

It sure would help the timeline if media would give a date for those alleged victims wouldn't it? At least a month and year.

I think I was taught in school that if you were writing a news article that you were supposed to write who, what, when and where. But anymore more than one media has seemed to leave out the when.

mysteriew
11-01-2009, 10:28 PM
First LE set up a temp command station and asked families of missing women to come there. Now they have closed that station and are wanting them to come to 4th district. What is going on with this? Do they not know about the missing women, is the info not in their files?



Police are asking citizens who believe missing persons may be connected to the Anthony Sowell investigation to go the Fourth District Police Headquarters to file a report.

Reports had previously been taken at a command post set up at East 123rd and Soika Avenue. That post has been closed effective Sunday morning.
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/21490070/detail.html

mysteriew
11-01-2009, 10:30 PM
Some of the missing women from the area include Gloria Walker, 46, who disappeared in May 2007. Her car was found abandoned.

Police said 52-year-old Tonia Carmichael was last seen Nov. 10, 2008.

Nancy Cobbs, 43, left her home on April 24, 2009 to go to a neighborhood store and that was the last time anyone saw the Cleveland mother.
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/21490908/detail.html

mysteriew
11-01-2009, 10:34 PM
There will be a candlelight vigil Monday evening for the six people found dead in Anthony Sowell's home and yard.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/candlelight_vigil_monday_eveni.html

Stoshie
11-01-2009, 11:10 PM
10 o'clock news just reported that he told the police that he lost count of how many victims.....

will post a link if they put up the story on the site.

SuziQ
11-01-2009, 11:35 PM
"Images: Missing Women - Photos - WEWS Cleveland"

http://www.newsnet5.com/slideshow/21490960/detail.html?taf=nn5

SuziQ
11-01-2009, 11:41 PM
House of Horror continuous coverage:

http://www.woio.com/global/Category.asp?c=177485

Tizzle
11-02-2009, 01:05 AM
Haven't seen this missing woman mentioned as a possibility. I can't find much more info on her than this...

http://www.survivorsvictimsoftragedy.org/tinc?key=CxPoACdj&id=1

Michelle Mason (46): Missing Since 10/8/08, from Cleveland, Ohio. DOB: 12/22/63; female, 5'7", 85 lbs, Race-Black, Hair-black, thin, curly; Eyes-brown. Michelle was last seen at her residence on East 121 near Buckeye. She was wearing a tan sweater jacket with fur on the front and tan boots. Her hair is thin, short and curly. She might be wearing a blond wig in a bob style. Michelle is bipolar and seriously ill. She desperately needs her medicine. Her left eye is glass. Her family said she recently met someone who the family now knows is a registered sexual predator.

Carrington
11-02-2009, 01:12 AM
I'm simply amazed at this neighborhood! Where were the big brothers/little brothers the fathers the boyfriends, the friends, ex's and grown children etc.
Rape, attempted rape, missing women. Women pulled off the street. HUH!!! If the Police wouldn't react why not the people that this man preyed on for years. People call the cops when they smell a dead body or two......What they walk around all summer holding their noses and gag.
Bust the door down.
I can't believe it. :eek:
They just let themselves get beat down by a spineless punk.
Rant over.....thanks for listening.

IMO

Tizzle
11-02-2009, 01:13 AM
Sowell's Brother on Murders: 'It's Devastating'

http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-sowell-arrest-women-strangled-txt,0,5533112.story

According to Whitepages.com, Anthony lived at 12205 Imperial Avenue. Also listed at that address are Thomas & Segerna Sowell, I'm assuming his father and stepmother. I read earlier that the elderly male has passed away and that the elderly female was moved to a nursing home. Does anyone know when or how Thomas passed? Also, I hope LE is looking into Segerna's whereabouts. I get the awful feeling that they aren't going to find her in a nursing home....

Stoshie
11-02-2009, 07:20 AM
Haven't seen this missing woman mentioned as a possibility. I can't find much more info on her than this...

http://www.survivorsvictimsoftragedy.org/tinc?key=CxPoACdj&id=1

Michelle Mason (46): Missing Since 10/8/08, from Cleveland, Ohio. DOB: 12/22/63; female, 5'7", 85 lbs, Race-Black, Hair-black, thin, curly; Eyes-brown. Michelle was last seen at her residence on East 121 near Buckeye. She was wearing a tan sweater jacket with fur on the front and tan boots. Her hair is thin, short and curly. She might be wearing a blond wig in a bob style. Michelle is bipolar and seriously ill. She desperately needs her medicine. Her left eye is glass. Her family said she recently met someone who the family now knows is a registered sexual predator.

Wow, that is really close to this guys house. I don't recall seeing her mentioned either. One of the stories that I have read, said that 4 families have come forward with missing persons, so far.

One of the bodies is probably that aunt or stepmother that is supposed to be in the nursing home. I haven't heard that she has turned up.

SuziQ
11-02-2009, 08:57 AM
I've tried to grab the link to the video every which way, but they are all broken. At the right side of the below link under Featured videos, there is a video titled:

Anthony Sowell told police he lost count of the bodies.

http://www.woio.com/global/Category.asp?c=177485

SuziQ
11-02-2009, 09:18 AM
It's amazing how your mind will let you ignore the obvious:

Rapist's neighbors knew something was wrong
The stench of decay clung to Anthony Sowell and his Cleveland home, where the bodies of six women were found. Now the community wrestles with self-recrimination.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-rapist2-2009nov02,0,5229281.story

Didn't LE notice a smell? Also a neighbor said EMT's etc was at the house when the Sept 22 victim was injured.

(snip)
On Sept. 22, deputies with the Cuyahoga County Sheriff's Department did a spot check on him to confirm that he was living at the address where he was registered, officials said.

Tizzle
11-02-2009, 09:22 AM
Anthony Edward Sowell, Sex Offender Registry:

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ViewOffenderDetails.asp?oID=OHAPnissHMVtg&aID=&at=1&sid={D299315E-1DE3-47FA-B606-6692703EA7F9}&sp=1&nm=

Tizzle
11-02-2009, 09:37 AM
It's amazing how your mind will let you ignore the obvious:

Rapist's neighbors knew something was wrong
The stench of decay clung to Anthony Sowell and his Cleveland home, where the bodies of six women were found. Now the community wrestles with self-recrimination.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-rapist2-2009nov02,0,5229281.story

Didn't LE notice a smell? Also a neighbor said EMT's etc was at the house when the Sept 22 victim was injured.

(snip)
On Sept. 22, deputies with the Cuyahoga County Sheriff's Department did a spot check on him to confirm that he was living at the address where he was registered, officials said.

From the link above:

Officers arrived at the property Thursday to arrest Sowell on a separate rape charge. He wasn't there, but the smell of decay was so thick that officers headed upstairs.

"The stench of decay was overwhelming," said Lt. Thomas Stacho, spokesman for the police department. "The closest I got was 15 feet from an open door, and it was more than bad enough. I can't figure out how the neighbors didn't know something was wrong."

If the stench was so "thick" Thursday, how did authorities overlook the same stench only a month before on 9/22. I find it hard to believe that there wasn't a stench at the end of summer but there is now. I doubt these women were killed since then as the reports say the bodies were decomposed beyond recognition, one so badly that they can't even determine cause of death. How was this missed? I know the house is next door to Ray's Sausage and the "stench" could be attributed to this, but neighbors have said the smells from there are good, not like rotting flesh.

Has anyone seen any reports as to when Mrs. Sowell was "moved to a nursing home"?

ETA: Oopsie! Nevermind. I didn't see page 2 of the article and it says she was moved about a year ago because she had trouble going up the stairs. Also, they are still trying to "locate" her. :( I have a feeling they already have, in her own home....

SuziQ
11-02-2009, 09:51 AM
Tizzle, ITA. It's not looking good for Mrs. Sowell.

Tizzle
11-02-2009, 09:58 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6899439.ece

As a registered sex offender, Mr Sowell was required to check in regularly at the sheriff’s office, which said he complied. Officers also visited his home, most recently on September 22, just hours before the woman reported being raped there.

Because he was not on parole or probation, officials did not have the right to enter his house, until Thursday when they had search and arrest warrants.

As a VIOLENT SEX OFFENDER, the authorities should be able to search a home without a warrant whether the offender is on parole/probation or not. The laws need to be changed so that authorities can search the home of a VIOLENT sex offender, like Anthony Sowell, without obtaining a search warrant. Authorites have to know that offenders such as AS are habitual and incurable and should not be protected by the same rights that the rest of us, good and law abiding citizens, are. They shouldn't be released from prison to begin with. I will say that, at least, AS served his entire sentence, even if it was too short. But, by him serving his whole sentence, he was released with complete freedom to commit these heinous crimes and who knows how many others....

Carrington
11-02-2009, 11:26 AM
I thought LE could enter any house or car just for "probable cause". Anything suspicious at all. ????
IMO

jjenny
11-02-2009, 11:52 AM
I thought LE could enter any house or car just for "probable cause". Anything suspicious at all. ????
IMO

No. LE doesn't have a right to enter any house or car.

Tizzle
11-02-2009, 11:57 AM
Possible victims so far...

Possibilities reported by media:

Tonia Carmichael - Missing Since: 9.15.2009
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200905755S

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/18247618/detail.html?rss=nn5&psp=news


Gloria Walker - Missing Since: 5.7.2007
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/walker_gloria.html


Janice Webb - Missing Since: 6.3.2009
I can't find any missing persons links for Janice anywhere. I can only find news links from the past couple days identifying her as a possibility.
http://www.woio.com/Global/story.asp?S=11422359

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/4th_district_detectives_meet_w.html


Nancy Cobbs - Missing Since: 4.24.2009
Nancy Cobbs 43, Msg 04/24/09, Cleveland OH - Help Find The Missing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Other possibilities:

Michelle Mason Missing Since: 10.8.2008
http://www.survivorsvictimsoftragedy.org/tinc?key=CxPoACdj&id=1

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/12/cleveland_there_will_be_4.html

I contacted 4th District in Cleveland today and the detective said they were already looking into Michelle as a possibility.


Segerna Sowell
http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?site_id=17605&firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=Segerna+&name=Sowell&where=cleveland%2C+oh

Address is listed as same as suspect, possible elderly relative that AS told neighbors had to be moved to nursing home around a year ago because she was having trouble climbing the stairs.
As of 11.2.09, "Investigators say they are trying to find her." according to the LA Times article posted above by Suzi.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Also missing in area since 2005

Ashley Summers - Missing Since: 7.9.2007
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/summers_ashley.html

This is so sad. I hope all of these women come home to their families. It's sad if these are the women found in the Sowell home, but at the same time it will bring closure to the families. They're in my thoughts and prayers.

SuziQ
11-02-2009, 12:03 PM
I thought LE could enter any house or car just for "probable cause". Anything suspicious at all. ????
IMO

I would think the smell of dead bodies would be enough probable cause. I'm confused about the details on the Sept 22nd victim. I've seen details where she jumped off the balcony and was injured and EMT's responded. Did she make a report right away? Did she report the smell then? Why didn't LE arrest him that day? Why did it take over a month to get a search warrant? Either we are missing a whole lot of details or LE and the probation department dropped the ball big time on this one. Not that it would have saved any of the previous victims tho.

SuziQ
11-02-2009, 12:05 PM
I wonder if there are victims in other areas from before this guy went to prison in (1990?).

SuziQ
11-02-2009, 12:29 PM
Pat Brown weighs in. I gather this guy had a dating website asking women to come and be tortured by him?

YouTube - Criminal Profiler on Ohio Murders

Tizzle
11-02-2009, 12:36 PM
I would think the smell of dead bodies would be enough probable cause. I'm confused about the details on the Sept 22nd victim. I've seen details where she jumped off the balcony and was injured and EMT's responded. Did she make a report right away? Did she report the smell then? Why didn't LE arrest him that day? Why did it take over a month to get a search warrant? Either we are missing a whole lot of details or LE and the probation department dropped the ball big time on this one. Not that it would have saved any of the previous victims tho.

BBM

Remember, AS wasn't on probation. He served his full sentence.

Tizzle
11-02-2009, 12:40 PM
Pat Brown weighs in. I gather this guy had a dating website asking women to come and be tortured by him?


Yeah! Where's this site???

SuziQ
11-02-2009, 12:41 PM
BBM

Remember, AS wasn't on probation. He served his full sentence.

I meant whoever was in charge of monitoring is SO registration status.

SuziQ
11-02-2009, 01:08 PM
There's another thread in the missing threads. A poster reported that a seventh body has been found. Some good info in the other thread. I'm asking if they can be combined.

OH-6 Unidentified Bodies Found in Convicted Rapist Home - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

SuziQ
11-02-2009, 01:38 PM
I don't know why I am having problems copying and pasting links from this site, but there are two videos at the below link:
http://www.woio.com/global/Category.asp?c=177485

Cleveland, OH - Police will take DNA samples from a suspected serial killer and search his previous residences for other victims.

19 Action News Reporter Tiffani Tucker has the very latest - New at Noon. More>> (http://javascript<b></b>:playVideo('4263922', 'Police%20To%20Take%20DNA%20From%20Suspected%20Ser ial%20Killer%2C%20Scour%20Old%20Residences%20For%2 0More%20Victims', 'v', 'News', '139400', 'News', '', 'www.woio.com','flv');)

CLEVELAND, OH (WOIO) - 19 Action News has learned there is a possible 7th victim at the "House of Horror." More>> (javascript:playVideo('4263617', 'Possible%207th%20Victim%20Found%20at%20House%20of %20Horrors!', 'v', 'News', '55667', 'News', '', 'www.woio.com','flv');)

Tizzle
11-02-2009, 01:41 PM
Body Count: Cleveland Police, Coroner Work to Identify Six Bodies
Posted: Nov 01, 2009 2:43 PM EST
Updated: Nov 02, 2009 12:13 PM EST

Inside Suspected Serial Killer Anthony Sowell's Home
1:34


CLEVELAND, OH (WOIO) - The nightmare on Cleveland's southeast side continues to unravel this hour. The decomposing bodies of six woman unearthed at Anthony Sowell's Imperial Avenue home last week.

The Cleveland Police Department and the Cuyahoga County Coroner's office are working to identify the victims - all but one died of strangulation. Police plan to seek a warrant to take DNA from Sowell as well as track Sowell's residential history since his June, 2005 prison release....

http://www.woio.com/Global/story.asp?S=11422359


He says he lost count. I wonder what he's told them to make them track his residential history since 05. Imperial must have been his main address, but I wonder if he would stay elsewhere from time to time. He sounds like a complete bum, it would be nothing for him to camp out on someone's couch for days at a time. Probably wore his welcome out many times. Maybe his sister's house, maybe friend's houses, maybe a mere acquaintance. I get the feeling he wouldn't care who it was he was inconveniencing, as long as it suited his wants and needs. It sickens me to think how many woman this WIMP was able to freely brutalize. It scares me to think of how many more there are like him.

Tizzle
11-02-2009, 01:48 PM
I wonder if he isn't responsible for any of the male missing persons in the area or elsewhere, depending on his whereabouts? I wouldn't put it past him to do away with anyone that got in his way. He may have only buried/hidden female victims on the property to keep as "trophies" but would possibly get rid of any male victims in a different manner as they don't "mean" as much to him. Meaning, he wasn't seeking male victims, only female. I hope LE isn't quick to assume his only victims are female. I hope he is talking, talking, talking. Do we have any history of AS besides his prison time? What is his criminal history? Education? Marriages? Children? Troubled Childhood? Where is his biological mother? If she is deceased, manner/year of death?

ohiogirl
11-02-2009, 02:16 PM
Saying no seventh victim has been found.

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/news_article.aspx?storyid=124573&catid=45

joga
11-02-2009, 04:59 PM
this is crazy! i can't believe this isn't all over the news. i was reading the Sunday paper and it was just a little blurb in the "other news around the country" section. about a paragraph...i wonder if he will be connected to other murders besides those found at his house. i guess the media doesn't feel these murdered woman are important enough to be reported on....too sad. i feel for all of their families...

carbuff
11-02-2009, 07:07 PM
New York Times article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/us/03rape.html

Tizzle
11-02-2009, 07:20 PM
November 2, 2009 12:12 PM
Rapist Anthony Sowell Cruised Sex Fetish Site While Dead Bodies Rotted in His Cleveland Home

NEW YORK (CBS/AP) Crimesider has discovered that Anthony Sowell, the convicted rapist, now suspected of murdering six women who's badly decomposed bodies, police say, were found in his Cleveland home, cruised an online sex fetish website where he described himself as a "master" looking for a submissive person "to train."

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/02/crimesider/entry5495923.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Dani_md
11-02-2009, 07:27 PM
I have a sick feeling necrophilia may come into this

Tizzle
11-02-2009, 07:40 PM
New York Times article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/us/03rape.html

So very sad. People care about these women, even if LE didn't/doesn't, I care about these women and their families and it's not even my job to do so. They have families that love them and it makes me so sad that they were the only ones really searching, all along. There's minimal missing persons information available on most of the women that are missing from that area. He's a KNOWN VIOLENT SEX OFFENDER and it takes them over 4 weeks to even assign an officer to the case to obtain a search warrant for the offense on 9/22?????? Are they actually serious, right now??

Carrington
11-02-2009, 07:42 PM
November 2, 2009 12:12 PM
Rapist Anthony Sowell Cruised Sex Fetish Site While Dead Bodies Rotted in His Cleveland Home

NEW YORK (CBS/AP) Crimesider has discovered that Anthony Sowell, the convicted rapist, now suspected of murdering six women who's badly decomposed bodies, police say, were found in his Cleveland home, cruised an online sex fetish website where he described himself as a "master" looking for a submissive person "to train."

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/02/crimesider/entry5495923.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Computer skills, Internet access. hmmmmm.....
IMO

Tizzle
11-02-2009, 08:00 PM
Haven't seen this before. It answers some of my questions from earlier.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/police_stationed_outside_house.html

joga
11-02-2009, 08:08 PM
that NY times article linked above is very frightening and also made me very angry!! ahh, "inner city" - screw em, seems to be the attitude of the PD. i really don't understand why he couldn't have been immediately arrested in the Sept. incident. can you imagine, getting raped inside of persons home, escaping and going to the police saying this person did it and nothing being done for over a month?!! it just blows me away. regarding sowell, it really seems that he had reached a frenzy....i feel so sorry for the women that encountered him, they no doubt died a horrible death...

carbuff
11-02-2009, 08:24 PM
that NY times article linked above is very frightening and also made me very angry!! ahh, "inner city" - screw em, seems to be the attitude of the PD. i really don't understand why he couldn't have been immediately arrested in the Sept. incident. can you imagine, getting raped inside of persons home, escaping and going to the police saying this person did it and nothing being done for over a month?!! it just blows me away. regarding sowell, it really seems that he had reached a frenzy....i feel so sorry for the women that encountered him, they no doubt died a horrible death...

I agree on all counts. It's just disgusting.

Maybe if they were cute blonde college students they'd get more attention?

carbuff
11-02-2009, 08:29 PM
oops, that was the network's fault.

mysteriew
11-02-2009, 08:54 PM
The whole thing makes me glad I am not living in Cleveland. I mean not only the stench in the neighborhood that no one investigates. The fact that LE and the life squad was in the home a month ago, yet it doesn't appear that anyone decided to investigate the odor. That it took a month for LE to decide to pick an accused rapist up. But all those missing women in the neighborhood, and there isn't any indication that LE bothered to talk with a known sex offender in the neighborhood!

I thought that when there was a pattern of rapes and/or missing or murdered women in a neighborhood, that LE would check out the wherebouts of known sex offenders? They do that in other areas. IF they had done so, then the odor in the home might maybe have made sense to them, might have even been determined to be probable cause for a search warrant, at an earlier date.

mysteriew
11-02-2009, 09:13 PM
:puke: Caution: His personal sites

http://www.blackplanet.com/tony223936/

http://alt.com/search/p71196.subdatingist&18PG=1&country=United%20States&state=Ohio&geo=Akron,OH&show=M-C&age=45-55
The personal site at alt.com looks like it has been removed. Here is the cached version of the index showing his membership
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:p-1yuPzAIqwJ:alt.com/search/p71196.subdatingist%2618PG%3D1%26country%3DUnited% 2520States%26state%3DOhio%26geo%3DAkron,OH%26show% 3DM-C%26age%3D45-55+%22tony223936%22&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

mysteriew
11-02-2009, 09:28 PM
I have a sick feeling necrophilia may come into this

I think that is possible. But what I am afraid of is worse. The stepmom hasn't been seen in over a year, so he wouldn't have to worry about his victims being heard. And he has been posting on fetish sites. So I worry over how long he held the women and how much torture they were put through before they died. A day, a week or a month?

jjenny
11-02-2009, 09:28 PM
So very sad. People care about these women, even if LE didn't/doesn't, I care about these women and their families and it's not even my job to do so. They have families that love them and it makes me so sad that they were the only ones really searching, all along. There's minimal missing persons information available on most of the women that are missing from that area. He's a KNOWN VIOLENT SEX OFFENDER and it takes them over 4 weeks to even assign an officer to the case to obtain a search warrant for the offense on 9/22?????? Are they actually serious, right now??

It's same old same old. It's a poor neighborhood and the women missing from the are would not get as much attention as women missing from a rich neighborhood.

mysteriew
11-02-2009, 10:28 PM
Former Store Owner Says Sowell Bought A Lot Of Trash Bags
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/21502227/detail.html

carbuff
11-02-2009, 10:33 PM
Former Store Owner Says Sowell Bought A Lot Of Trash Bags
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/21502227/detail.html

Almost every day????

:puke:

mysteriew
11-02-2009, 10:34 PM
Neighbor Says Police Knew About Rapist’s House

The police in Cleveland were notified repeatedly about violence in the house of a convicted rapist where the decomposed bodies of six women were found last week, a neighbor said Monday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/us/03rape.html

mysteriew
11-02-2009, 10:40 PM
Cleveland: Mass murder suspect was model ex-con

Doing a random verification check, a Cuyahoga County Sheriff's Deputy knocked on the suspect's door last month and talked with Sowell. The deputy said he did not smell anything unusual from the front porch of the home.

DeChant said, "All our deputy is allowed to do is go up and knock on the door. If the offender answers the door, or whoever and says 'yes, the sex offender does live here, does sleep here or reside here,' then that's all we are allowed to do by law

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/news_article.aspx?storyid=124602&catid=3

mysteriew
11-02-2009, 10:55 PM
Details on the first known rape:

Sowell's violent past offers glimpse of accused rapist suspected of mass murder

With a necktie wrapped around her wrists, the first woman to accuse Anthony Sowell of rape climbed through a third-floor window to a rooftop in East Cleveland to get away from him.

The woman, three-months pregnant, yelled until neighbors spotted her on that July 1989 morning. Sowell was convicted a year later. The crime was so vicious that state parole officials refused to release Sowell early from of a 15-year prison sentence.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/sowells_violent_past_offers_gl.html

mysteriew
11-02-2009, 11:01 PM
Details on the first known rape:

Sowell's violent past offers glimpse of accused rapist suspected of mass murder

With a necktie wrapped around her wrists, the first woman to accuse Anthony Sowell of rape climbed through a third-floor window to a rooftop in East Cleveland to get away from him.

The woman, three-months pregnant, yelled until neighbors spotted her on that July 1989 morning. Sowell was convicted a year later. The crime was so vicious that state parole officials refused to release Sowell early from of a 15-year prison sentence.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/sowells_violent_past_offers_gl.html

Stoshie
11-02-2009, 11:23 PM
Stepmother safe in nursing home...


http://www.newsnet5.com/news/21503699/detail.html

Tizzle
11-03-2009, 12:22 AM
Possible victims so far...

Possibilities reported by media:

Tonia Carmichael - Missing Since: 9.15.2009
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200905755S

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/18247618/detail.html?rss=nn5&psp=news


Gloria Walker - Missing Since: 5.7.2007
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/walker_gloria.html


Janice Webb - Missing Since: 6.3.2009
I can't find any missing persons links for Janice anywhere. I can only find news links from the past couple days identifying her as a possibility.
http://www.woio.com/Global/story.asp?S=11422359

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/4th_district_detectives_meet_w.html


Nancy Cobbs - Missing Since: 4.24.2009
Nancy Cobbs 43, Msg 04/24/09, Cleveland OH - Help Find The Missing (http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=684175)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Other possibilities:

Michelle Mason Missing Since: 10.8.2008
http://www.survivorsvictimsoftragedy.org/tinc?key=CxPoACdj&id=1

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/12/cleveland_there_will_be_4.html

I contacted 4th District in Cleveland today and the detective said they were already looking into Michelle as a possibility.


Segerna Sowell Located safe in nursing home. :) Thank you, Stoshi.

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/21503699/detail.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/sowells_violent_past_offers_gl.html
All the bodies have been identified as black females, and five died by strangulation, according to police.



Ashley Summers - Missing Since: 7.9.2007 Caucasian
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/summers_ashley.html

This is so sad. I hope all of these women come home to their families. It's sad if these are the women found in the Sowell home, but at the same time it will bring closure to the families. They're in my thoughts and prayers.

Bumped to update.

Tizzle
11-03-2009, 12:34 AM
Details on the first known rape:

Sowell's violent past offers glimpse of accused rapist suspected of mass murder

With a necktie wrapped around her wrists, the first woman to accuse Anthony Sowell of rape climbed through a third-floor window to a rooftop in East Cleveland to get away from him.

The woman, three-months pregnant, yelled until neighbors spotted her on that July 1989 morning. Sowell was convicted a year later. The crime was so vicious that state parole officials refused to release Sowell early from of a 15-year prison sentence.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/sowells_violent_past_offers_gl.html

Great article, Myst.
What is up with this guy? He's seemingly squeaky clean until mid to late 80s. Did he just become more careless or did something trigger this psychopathic behavior around that time? This is so bizarre.

I'm with you, it's horrible to think of the horrors he might have put these poor women through before they died. Sickening.

mysteriew
11-03-2009, 03:21 AM
LOL, you asked the question you know I will have to guess. My guess is that he was a timid man and afraid of most people. Probably too afraid to approach women. Until he got onto drugs. Drugs aided a fantasy life where he had some power with women, the fantasies grew stronger to where he had control of women. Drugs/drinking bolstered his ego enough that he could interact with women and act out the fantasies. In 89 he would have been 30 years old. By that time he may have given up on ever being able to connect with a woman, enough to have a wife or a regular woman in his life.

I do question where his bio mother was in his life. There is mention of a sister, a father who died several years ago and a stepmother. But I am not hearing about a mother. So it is possible that his experiences with the mother or the lack of a mother may have had some impact too.

Stoshie
11-03-2009, 06:54 AM
The neighborhood smelled for years, people say...

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/neighbors_wonder_how_stench_of.html

Steely Dan
11-03-2009, 09:13 AM
The neighborhood smelled for years, people say...

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/neighbors_wonder_how_stench_of.html

I can't believe that the sausage shop stayed in business that long if that's what people thought their sausage's smelled like.


Made from the finest cuts of meat. :puke:

carbuff
11-03-2009, 10:40 AM
Stepmother safe in nursing home...


http://www.newsnet5.com/news/21503699/detail.html

Oh, thank God.

jjenny
11-03-2009, 10:50 AM
LOL, you asked the question you know I will have to guess. My guess is that he was a timid man and afraid of most people. Probably too afraid to approach women. Until he got onto drugs. Drugs aided a fantasy life where he had some power with women, the fantasies grew stronger to where he had control of women. Drugs/drinking bolstered his ego enough that he could interact with women and act out the fantasies. In 89 he would have been 30 years old. By that time he may have given up on ever being able to connect with a woman, enough to have a wife or a regular woman in his life.

I do question where his bio mother was in his life. There is mention of a sister, a father who died several years ago and a stepmother. But I am not hearing about a mother. So it is possible that his experiences with the mother or the lack of a mother may have had some impact too.

He was in the marines. Somehow I don't think "timid man and afraid of most people" fits here. My guess is when he was in the marines structured lifestyle kept him out of trouble for while.

Tizzle
11-03-2009, 11:07 AM
Anthony Sowell and Phillip Garrido Cases Raise Questions About Sex Offender Monitoring
Sowell Was Last Visited By Police About One Month Ago

"The system is broken in the sense that we have a lot of people on sex registries and while it gives us a list of people who might be involved in crimes, there are so many people on those lists that they're overly inclusive," said Jonathan Simon, the associate dean for Jurisprudence and Social Policy at UC Berkeley's School of Law. "[These lists] don't give authorities the chance to select those who are the higher risks," said Simon.


http://abcnews.go.com/WN/anthony-sowell-philip-garrido-cases-raise-questions-sex/story?id=8976114


EXACTLY!! While it's gross and should be punishable by law, people who urinate in a public place should not be required to register as a sex offender. An 18 year old boy having consentual sex with his 15-16 y.o. girlfriend and her parents overreact does not belong on the registry. Yet, these "offenders" remain registered, cluttering up what could be a useful system. If these types of offenders have to register, then we need a more detailed description of the offense on each offender's registry. Otherwise, we're just left wondering and assuming what they did to have to register for and it's not our job as citizens to ask a possibly dangerous offender what they're in the registry for exactly. They don't give enough details about the person we are looking at as a possible danger and their offense. It should be CLEAR what an offenders crime is. I mean, you get the general idea from the registry, but it doesn't give details about the crime, only what they were charged with. A lot of people may not understand the legal terms that describe the offense. I'm not saying this is the only problem with the way sex offenders are handled, but it's a major one, for sure.

Tizzle
11-03-2009, 11:46 AM
LOL, you asked the question you know I will have to guess. My guess is that he was a timid man and afraid of most people. Probably too afraid to approach women. Until he got onto drugs. Drugs aided a fantasy life where he had some power with women, the fantasies grew stronger to where he had control of women. Drugs/drinking bolstered his ego enough that he could interact with women and act out the fantasies. In 89 he would have been 30 years old. By that time he may have given up on ever being able to connect with a woman, enough to have a wife or a regular woman in his life.

I do question where his bio mother was in his life. There is mention of a sister, a father who died several years ago and a stepmother. But I am not hearing about a mother. So it is possible that his experiences with the mother or the lack of a mother may have had some impact too.

I agree with your guess, Myst. Makes a lot of sense. However, I do wonder if he's responsible for any missing persons in the areas he was while in the Marines. His timid nature may have made it easier for him to conceal his crimes and as he got older and his psychotic behavior escalated out of control, he possibly just became more careless. Scary to think.

I really would like more information on his mother,their relationship and her relationship with others in the family, I'm sure it will come out eventually. I would also like to know if his sister (Barbara, I believe) also has a different mother than AS. His brother, Allen, has said that AS is his half-brother by their father, different mothers. Another thing I would like to know is how long Segerna was his stepmother? Was she there from an early age or were there other stepmothers? For some reason and THANKFULLY, AS spared her which is not at all what I, along with many others, expected, including Allen. It says, to me, that towards her, his heart isn't completely black. That poor woman, though, to have to watch the horrors of her home unfold on the TV like that. I'm so glad Allen was able to make contact with her. I wonder if she has other family/children. On Veromi.com there is a John Sowell age 46 listed. I wonder if that is another sibling of AS, possibly Segerna's child with Thomas? Or maybe a child of Allen/AS' nephew. Either way, I hope she has a loving support system. I'm glad she was located SAFE, though I still wonder what saved her from the same fate as the other six.

Tizzle
11-03-2009, 11:54 AM
Inquiry of 6 Bodies in Ohio Focuses on 8-9 Women

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=8971933

So sad that some of these women may not have even been missed by loved ones. Some probably never even reported as missing. :( This WIMP preyed on weak women. The missing women we know about so far are SMALL women, some of them with drug/alcohol problems, some of lonely in need of a friend. To him they were easy targets. So not only is he a WIMP, but an extremely lazy one.:loser:

joga
11-03-2009, 12:28 PM
I agree on all counts. It's just disgusting.

Maybe if they were cute blonde college students they'd get more attention?


they absolutely would...it's so sad. but the police always have the well we tried to do something about it, but the public just wouldn't talk to us excuse don't they...lol. i hear it everytime there is a horrific situation in a poor area where it looks like situations could have been avoided if the PD would have done something prior. in this particular situation, i think all of the people were already gone by the time of the September incident, but i still wish they would have moved faster on that one...

ges79
11-03-2009, 01:11 PM
The Cleveland street where 6 bodies were found in a home has been closed.
Officials are bringing in heavy machinery to start digging in the back yard of the Imperial Avenue home.

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/21508309/detail.html

ylime11
11-03-2009, 02:57 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571366,00.html

this foxnews report focuses on a few missing women in the area:

Gloria Walker - last seen May 20, 2007 leaving her Francis Avenue home in a black 1996 Lumina. The car was found two weeks later, parked in the Harvard-Fleet area.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53081



Michelle Mason - disappeared a year ago and was last seen just a block from Anthony Sowell's house. Mason vanished after meeting a sexual predator who had served 18 years in prison for rape and stalking, her family said. Family was looking for her around East 116th Street and Buckeye Road.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/12/cleveland_there_will_be_4.html


Telacia Fortson - vanished in May, leaving three young children without their mother.


Janice Webb - been missing since June, and her family fears that she came into the clutches of Anthony Sowell while walking through the neighborhood on a warm summer night.


Nancy Cobbs - was last seen after she left her house to go to a store on East 116 near Continental.
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/19417494/detail.html


Tonia Celeste Carmichael - was last seen Nov. 10 by her mother. She is known to frequent the area of East 118th Street and Kinsman and East Cleveland.
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200905755S
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/18247618/detail.html


Four families of missing women have submitted DNA samples to the coroner's office to help identify the bodies. Authorities are seeking samples from Sowell as well

Texas Mist
11-03-2009, 03:06 PM
<snip>

The vans arrived just hours after a backhoe was brought in to excavate the yard in a search for evidence. Earlier teams could be seen holding up white sheets blocking off portions of the yard from view.

more here

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=124649

Texas Mist
11-03-2009, 03:44 PM
<snip>

CLEVELAND -- A body was removed from the site of an Imperial Avenue home Tuesday, according to a WKYC crew on the scene. It's the seventh set of remains found at the house.


The removal of the body came shortly after two coroner's office vans arrived on the scene. The vans were sent out just hours after a backhoe was brought in to excavate the yard.

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=124649

SuziQ
11-03-2009, 03:55 PM
Police Chief Michael McGrath will hold a news conference at 6 p.m. today at the Justice Center to provide updates in the Anthony Sowell (http://www.cleveland.com/anthony-sowell)investigation

More at link:
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/cleveland_police_will_hold_new.html

SuziQ
11-03-2009, 03:56 PM
What bothers me is the coroners office didn't just send a van....they sent plural vans. How many bodies are they expecting to find?

Stoshie
11-03-2009, 03:58 PM
I had a feeling that this wouldn't end with the 6.

I wonder what he used all the trash bags for. I wonder if the bodies that they found were in the bags.

SuziQ
11-03-2009, 04:02 PM
Poor Ray's Sausage Company....they were blamed for years! Also an investigation has been started to see why the health department didn't pick up on this since they received calls that the smell was "like a dead body". And still no one can figure out why LE didn't smell it on Sept 22nd.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jGQmSQzOVfHOMgQ6cXJ1eqhsCS-QD9BO8D780

(snips)
For the past few years, neighbors assumed the foul smell enveloping their street corner had been coming from a brick building where workers churned out sausage and head cheese.
It got so bad that the owners of Ray's Sausage replaced their sewer line and grease traps. Now they know the odor was coming from a three-story house next door where the decomposing bodies of six women were found.

"We hope they don't find anymore," said Renee Cash, whose family has operated the sausage company for 57 years.
About four years ago, she and other workers started noticing a smell that was so bad on some days that it forced them to leave their office.
"In the summertime, it was gross," Cash said. "You could always smell it. It smelled like something rotten."
They poured bleach down the sewer in the basement and eventually had it replaced. Health inspectors thought the meat processing was to blame, she said.

Stoshie
11-03-2009, 04:02 PM
Remains from possibly several additional victims....


http://www.woio.com/Global/story.asp?S=11433632

Texas Mist
11-03-2009, 04:05 PM
What bothers me is the coroners office didn't just send a van....they sent plural vans. How many bodies are they expecting to find?


I'm wondering if there's yet another body...and we've only heard about the '7th'.

SuziQ
11-03-2009, 04:07 PM
Stoshie, at your link there is also a video of LE activity in the backyard. Raw view from copter. I would link it but my computer and WOIO don't get along.

ylime11
11-03-2009, 04:12 PM
Map indicates the close relation of the area where Nancy Cobbs disapeared and Tonia Carmichael frequented to the location of th Sowell home.

ylime11
11-03-2009, 04:16 PM
http://www.wkyc.com/ are confirming 7th and 8th bodies...

Stoshie
11-03-2009, 04:17 PM
2 body bags removed from scene...

http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-sowell-arrest-women-strangled-txt,0,5533112.story

PomMom12
11-03-2009, 04:54 PM
CNN is reporting that up to 10 bodies have been found.

Stoshie
11-03-2009, 05:02 PM
WOIO just said maybe 10. Coronor van just came back for more. Already removed two.

Texas Mist
11-03-2009, 05:03 PM
oh dear....lots of people are counting ballots today, but Cleveland PD is counting bodies.

it must be just mortifying to live in the area right now-- and be LEO on the scene!

Stoshie
11-03-2009, 05:19 PM
oh dear....lots of people are counting ballots today, but Cleveland PD is counting bodies.

it must be just mortifying to live in the area right now-- and be LEO on the scene!


I am in the Cleveland Metro area. I know a detective on the force and quite a few officers, including family members that have retired.

I certainly hope that none of them have to be involved in this investigation.

Steely Dan
11-03-2009, 05:30 PM
I am in the Cleveland Metro area. I know a detective on the force and quite a few officers, including family members that have retired.

I certainly hope that none of them have to be involved in this investigation.

Try and pump them for info, please.

Stoshie
11-03-2009, 05:38 PM
Try and pump them for info, please.

I doubt anyone would say anything.

Texas Mist
11-03-2009, 05:46 PM
<snip>

UPDATED 4:45 p.m.

<snip>

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Anthony Sowell has been charged with five counts of aggravated murder, according to a source close to the investigation.

The move comes at the same time police continue searching the yard of his Imperial Avenue home for more bodies. Police have found at least two more bodies today and expect to search through the night.

So far at least eight bodies have been found at Sowell's home.

more here

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/crews_again_digging_at_anthony.html

cleo612
11-03-2009, 05:52 PM
This is such sad, horrific, sick, and tragic news. We can't turn the clock back on the actions of this monster, but we can be very thankful that he is now off the streets.

I am sure that this is going to bring answers to many families who have loved ones missing. Each and every victim of this monster, and each of their families, will be in my prayers.

I pray that justice against this monster is swift and severe. He serves no useful purpose on earth and is a waste of flesh and the air that we breathe. May he forever rot in the deepest depths of hell.

nursebeeme
11-03-2009, 06:03 PM
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/summers_a.htm

just wonder if Ashley Summers could have been a victim? (haven't mapped it out yet)

Nore
11-03-2009, 06:07 PM
I am in the Cleveland Metro area. I know a detective on the force and quite a few officers, including family members that have retired.

I certainly hope that none of them have to be involved in this investigation.

________
Hi Stoshie, I think they found another one! I am in Parma. I knew about this days ago but I dont know how to ccp..first thing in my mind was the two Hispanic girls who disappeared from west 110th area years back.I'm watching woio on cable.They are digging up the back yard with a back hoe.That was at one time, a beautiful area of Cleveland now one would be afraid to go there.The poor people who have loved ones missing. They are over ten bodies,he confessed to more.there will be a news confrence at 6pm.woio19.

Texas Mist
11-03-2009, 06:13 PM
WEWS just said 9 body bags now

:(

Nore
11-03-2009, 06:18 PM
This is such sad, horrific, sick, and tragic news. We can't turn the clock back on the actions of this monster, but we can be very thankful that he is now off the streets.

I am sure that this is going to bring answers to many families who have loved ones missing. Each and every victim of this monster, and each of their families, will be in my prayers.

I pray that justice against this monster is swift and severe. He serves no useful purpose on earth and is a waste of flesh and the air that we breathe. May he forever rot in the deepest depths of hell.

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He will no doubt get the death penalty! Get rid of the monster.My heart goes out to all the families who gather,waiting to see if their loved one is there.They are not going to limit their search to around the house but will do a large area.

nursebeeme
11-03-2009, 06:20 PM
________
Hi Stoshie, I think they found another one! I am in Parma. I knew about this days ago but I dont know how to ccp..first thing in my mind was the two Hispanic girls who disappeared from west 110th area years back.I'm watching woio on cable.They are digging up the back yard with a back hoe.That was at one time, a beautiful area of Cleveland now one would be afraid to go there.The poor people who have loved ones missing. They are over ten bodies,he confessed to more.there will be a news confrence at 6pm.woio19.
Hey Nore,
I did too! And found this video http://www.oprah.com/media/20091007-tows-missing-cleveland however, the only one he could be good for would be Ashley Summers as the other two happened while he was in prison. I also don't believe he drove... so not even sure about Ashley but you never know

OT, I grew up and lived in Wooster until marying an army boy! Cleveland was my "big town"... this is very disturbing to me... even more so from knowing the area...

carbuff
11-03-2009, 06:24 PM
WEWS just said 9 body bags now

:(

Oh man. Just when you think it can't get any worse.

I just want to cry.

Texas Mist
11-03-2009, 06:29 PM
Oh man. Just when you think it can't get any worse.

I just want to cry.

It is terrible....I remember watching the Houston news when they were bringing out bodies from Dean Corll's house...and simultaneously sad, mad & nauseous.

It's just so wrong what 'humans' will do to others.

ETA: WEWS now saying "Police say Anthony Sowell also charged with rape, felonious assault, and kidnapping."

carbuff
11-03-2009, 06:35 PM
It is terrible....I remember watching the Houston news when they were bringing out bodies from Dean Corll's house...and simultaneously sad, mad & nauseous.

It's just so wrong what 'humans' will do to others.

ETA: WEWS now saying "Police say Anthony Sowell also charged with rape, felonious assault, and kidnapping."

I had never heard of Corll before. That's terrible.

Wikipedia says they don't think the police ever located all his victims. Is that true, do you know?

SuziQ
11-03-2009, 06:51 PM
Live link to presser. It's slow loading. Should start in nine minutes.

http://www.newsnet5.com/video/21512646/index.html

SuziQ
11-03-2009, 06:55 PM
Another live link:
http://www.wkyc.com/video/livestream/channel3news.aspx

cleo612
11-03-2009, 06:59 PM
Looks like they are set up and waiting for it to start.

strach304
11-03-2009, 07:00 PM
I had never heard of Corll before. That's terrible.

Wikipedia says they don't think the police ever located all his victims. Is that true, do you know?

You can read here about his story as well as many others. Very sick individual.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/

cleo612
11-03-2009, 07:01 PM
Wow, he is SO soft spoken. I can hardly hear him.

SuziQ
11-03-2009, 07:01 PM
4 more bodies in backyard and a skull in a bucket in the basement.

cleo612
11-03-2009, 07:01 PM
Four more bodies in back yard. Skull in a bucket in basement.

SuziQ
11-03-2009, 07:02 PM
Checked all vacant properties within 1/4 mile with negative results. Will expand search area tomorrow.

PMLsmom
11-03-2009, 07:02 PM
Can't hear anything on the newsnet5 site...No way to adjust volume, and puter is up all the way...

cleo612
11-03-2009, 07:04 PM
Gosh, they are still digging. They are not done yet.

Bee Happy
11-03-2009, 07:05 PM
that NY times article linked above is very frightening and also made me very angry!! ahh, "inner city" - screw em, seems to be the attitude of the PD. i really don't understand why he couldn't have been immediately arrested in the Sept. incident. can you imagine, getting raped inside of persons home, escaping and going to the police saying this person did it and nothing being done for over a month?!! it just blows me away. regarding sowell, it really seems that he had reached a frenzy....i feel so sorry for the women that encountered him, they no doubt died a horrible death...

BBM

This is exactly the case. Most of these women were probably drug addicted, so why put forth the effort to find them? It really stinks what goes on in the innercity, but if you are from the area, you know what a joke the police can be. Now they'll scramble to do a good job because of the national attention.

ylime11
11-03-2009, 07:15 PM
why 5 murder charges with 6 confirmed bodies?

capps
11-03-2009, 07:18 PM
oh wow,this is just awful! Is the presser over,did they say anything else?

cleo612
11-03-2009, 07:19 PM
why 5 murder charges with 6 confirmed bodies?

The body may be too decomposed to determine cause of death. Just because he was not charged with the 6th body as a homicide, does not mean that they cannot add an additional charge of murder. They need to get an identity of everyone, but the 6th one who is undetermined--that one and the circumstances surrounding her disappearance will all be used in determining whether or not to also charge him with that murder.

I think it is highly likely that they are going to charge him with each and every death as a murder.

ges79
11-03-2009, 07:19 PM
why 5 murder charges with 6 confirmed bodies?

I think it is because the cause of death for five out of the six initial bodies was determined to be strangulation. The cause of death for the sixth one could not be determined due to decomposition.

Nore
11-03-2009, 07:27 PM
Hey Nore,
I did too! And found this video http://www.oprah.com/media/20091007-tows-missing-cleveland however, the only one he could be good for would be Ashley Summers as the other two happened while he was in prison. I also don't believe he drove... so not even sure about Ashley but you never know

OT, I grew up and lived in Wooster until marying an army boy! Cleveland was my "big town"... this is very disturbing to me... even more so from knowing the area...

Hi nursebeme,I just wrote a long reply and lost it!! I grew up on the West Side near Metro Hospital ( City)..I just watched the news conference,he's been charged with multiple offenses.He doesnt have a car.They have ten bodies now but Chief said when they do DNA tests (they are collecting from families of missing) there could well be more than one body in a grave.They found a skull wrapped in paper in a bucket in the basement.hope its not another J. Dahmer! We should notify B. they are using cadaver dogs (with hits) and DNA testing.He goes to a sex website! fire Dept. will rip out walls tomorrow.I pray for the people in the neighborhood.God be with them.
Tell your husband I say Thank You!!!

Recovering-Lurker
11-03-2009, 07:51 PM
I can't believe this guy got away with killing so many women (assuming they are all women) for so long. So sad.

nursebeeme
11-03-2009, 07:57 PM
Mayor:
~no bodies are IDd yet. He recognizes the anxiety of families waiting and says they will be the first to know

~closure as quickly as possible..yet maintaining professional investigation

LE
~ This am they went back to the scene. (it has been secured since they first found the first bodies) and found four more bodies buried in the backyard and 1 skull wrapped in paper or some type of bag in a bucket in the basement

~suspect has been charged with five counts of murder; as well as charges of rape, kidnapping, and felonious aslt for the victim that brought them to the home to begin with

~they have searched vacant buildings and sheds in a 1/4 mile radius around the home (no results.)

~tomorrow they will expand that search of vacant buildings another 1/4 mile

~as to previous addresses of this perp: he has been at this location since his release from prison in 2005. As to any other whereabouts before his incarceration...: as they develop intel they will expand their investigation into those locations

~he had no transportation. He took the bus.

~he has lawyered up and is not talking

~as to how they found the additional bodies: they had cadaver dogs out in the yard today.. .due to the winds the dogs did not hit on anything so they started to backhoe up the property and that is when the four additional bodies were discovered. the dig continues. they are not done yet.

~as to the skull in the basement... reporters asked if there were any other decapitated bodies or if any of the body parts already found were separated. He said "no" but than said that is a Dr. Miller (ME) question.

~clarification of the body count:
-six female bodies found, five of whom were strangled
-four additional bodies today and one skull
(there was no clarification as to if one of the bodies was missing a skull, etc so in my mind this puts the count at 11)

~when asked if he thought there would be any more bodies LE said he didn't know and they would dig thru the night.

~tomorrow the fire department will assist them with searching the walls and ceilings

~LE stresses that it is important to know how the victims, "lived their lives" and LE believes on some there may not have been a missing person report filed

~when asked if they dropped the ball on the smell complaints LE stated that in the last three years they have only been called to this address twice and once was in 2007 for a domestic violence complaint (there was no elaboration). There was never a call to LE on the "smell", etc

~when released in 2005 the perp was listed as a sexual predator and the sheriff/parole was assigned to him. Their last visit to him was on 22 Sept to verify his whereabouts. When asked if he was passing the buck LE said he did not have any info as to if they noted a smell, etc... and basically had never had any calls in reference to him from this agency and denied passing the buck.

~20 october call: there was an EMS/FD call placed to the home about a naked woman falling from the roof of this home and perp in the woman naked. FD responded in five minutes and loaded both of them on "the wagon" and took them to the hospital. Due to FD being uneasy about the situation they called LE who met them at the ER.(way to go FD! you just may have been the linchpin!).. When LE arrived the victim was in xray. She claimed that she was partying with suspect drinking and doing drugs and dropped her keys and fell off the roof trying to get them. Hospital staff told LE the "boyfriend" was in the lobby.. and they proceeded to interview him and got the same story. This incident was initially left as an "accidental injury". Hospital staff was also questioned. (note: not sure when this victim told LE what had really happened to her)

~detectives are crossing referencing missing person reports from all over the city

~identification: this is most important and once done will contact relatives first. Dr. Miller has to do DNA to identify and than also have DNA to compare to. They have some DNA from the neighborhood. Dr. Miller, once he/she Ids victims will be the one to notify families.

~when reporter asked why three days went by for the yard search/house search LE stressed that the scene was secure from the start (F, Sat, Sun). He said the additional searhing and digging didn't take place right away because they were working overtime on the bodies they HAD found, and there are only so many hours that personel can work. He also said they were trying to talk to the suspect

carbuff
11-03-2009, 08:03 PM
You can read here about his story as well as many others. Very sick individual.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/

Wow, yeah, that is seriously sick. Thanks for that pointer. It looks very useful.

Dr.Fessel
11-03-2009, 08:05 PM
The neighbors say he stunk so bad they did not get near him and his house stunk so bad they did not walk by it.

And none of the police or fire department noticed the smell of death?

nursebeeme
11-03-2009, 08:08 PM
would be interesting to find out if the 2007 DV call was placed by the woman who is now in the nursing home.

nursebeeme
11-03-2009, 08:13 PM
The neighbors say he stunk so bad they did not get near him and his house stunk so bad they did not walk by it.

And none of the police or fire department noticed the smell of death?

I know, right?!

I feel sorry for the poor sausage people! Every time I think of the sausage place I get shades of Robert pickton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

Let us hope and pray he didn't get creative in his disposal!

Also, thinking of the Somer Thompson case... and how hard (if not impossible) it would have been to find her if they had even waited a DAY you have to wonder if while out on his bus trips he wasn't making use of dumpsters around the city!

How will they EVER be able to completely figure out the true breadth of this man's destruction of human life!

joga
11-03-2009, 08:16 PM
thanks for the re-cap nurse!!

ok, so maybe i was a little premature in judging the PD if the victim from Sept. lied about what happened at first. if that is the case, then it looks like LE did a good job by sticking with the investigation. this is all just so crazy to me, how in the he&& are you able to have this many bodies in your house and no one know! i can't believe that we are up to ten bodies!

joga
11-03-2009, 08:17 PM
I know, right?!

I feel sorry for the poor sausage people! Every time I think of the sausage place I get shades of Robert pickton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

Let us hope and pray he didn't get creative in his disposal!

Also, thinking of the Somer Thompson case... and how hard (if not impossible) it would have been to find her if they had even waited a DAY you have to wonder if while out on his bus trips he wasn't making use of dumpsters around the city!

How will they EVER be able to completely figure out the true breadth of this man's destruction of human life!

BBM

oh man, you went there!! ewwww, i can't even imagine!

Recovering-Lurker
11-03-2009, 08:29 PM
The neighbors say he stunk so bad they did not get near him and his house stunk so bad they did not walk by it.

And none of the police or fire department noticed the smell of death?

I can't believe he hadn't been caught before this.

awakewriter
11-03-2009, 08:37 PM
I know, right?!

I feel sorry for the poor sausage people! Every time I think of the sausage place I get shades of Robert pickton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

Let us hope and pray he didn't get creative in his disposal!

Also, thinking of the Somer Thompson case... and how hard (if not impossible) it would have been to find her if they had even waited a DAY you have to wonder if while out on his bus trips he wasn't making use of dumpsters around the city!

How will they EVER be able to completely figure out the true breadth of this man's destruction of human life!

OK. I was eating dinner. Thanks for the weight loss.:sick:

lululove1996
11-03-2009, 08:39 PM
why 5 murder charges with 6 confirmed bodies?


Someone brought up this point some posts ago.....perhaps the sixth body was the Stepmom that was supposively in a nursing home.
Maybe after his dad passed, he just "did away" with his stepmom and she really never went to a nursing home??? Or she passed on her own thats why there isnt a 6th murder charge and he was collecting her SS money? People may have thought she was still alive and he was hiding her body all along?

joga
11-03-2009, 08:48 PM
lulu, the step-mother has been found safe in her nursing home....i was fearing that she would be another victim too!

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/21503699/detail.html

jjenny
11-03-2009, 08:54 PM
I can't believe this guy got away with killing so many women (assuming they are all women) for so long. So sad.

I am not surprised. It's a poor area and some of these women could have been homeless, or have substance abuse issues, unemployed, etc.
They go missing, police aren't all that concerned as if that many women from a rich area went missing.

drip~drop
11-03-2009, 09:11 PM
And this guy has probation or parole dropping by and not wondering about the stink?
Is this true?

Tizzle
11-03-2009, 09:13 PM
In 2007, a report was filed with the health department about a stench coming from the house, and another report was filed in 2008 from another neighbor. CNN called the local health department and they stated that they did not know if the report was followed up on, but that they get 20,000 reports a year.

http://www.examiner.com/x-19632-Salt-Lake-City-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m11d3-Police-10-bodies-have-been-found-in-Anthony-Sowells-home-and-a-skull-bucket

So people reported the stench to the health department but not the police? I find that hard to believe. I guess it's possible that the writer of the article is misinformed and the reports were actually filed about Ray's and not the Imperial St. home. But, if there were reports filed with the health dept about a stench coming from the home, I would imagine those same people would have reported to the police, as well.

IIRC, this home has been in his family for many years, it was his grandfather's before it was his father's. Ray's has been there longer than AS has been alive. Absent the years he was in prison, how long has he been doing this and using this home as a burial ground? It's not like he wouldn't have known early on in his criminal mind that right next door to a meat factory is almost the perfect place to conceal the stench of a decomposing body. The smell would likely be blamed on the establishment, as was seemingly the case here. I get the feeling that he just started leaving bodies lying around the house because he was running out of room elsewhere. So sad.

The most recent woman that escaped said she was taken to the second floor where she was attacked. It's almost like he was moving down floor by floor, turning each one into a torture chamber and burial ground until he ran out of room and moved to the next floor. Or, maybe he lured them to the second floor first, rendered them helpless and then moved them upstairs. Either way, I think his ultimate plan was to turn each floor into his own personal trophy case.

These poor victims, regardless of their lifestyles, regardless of their decisions in life, deserved better than this. This animal had reached the point of no return. He reached the point where his hunger for dominance and imposing degradation and control could no longer be satisfied. What a sick, low and despicable piece of filth Anthony Sowell is. There's an especially hot spot in hell made just for this piece of garbage. What an Asowell! (Acehole :blushing: )

capps
11-03-2009, 09:14 PM
I am not surprised. It's a poor area and some of these women could have been homeless, or have substance abuse issues, unemployed, etc.
They go missing, police aren't all that concerned as if that many women from a rich area went missing.


But the victims haven't been identified yet,it could possibly be that LE was never notified that they were missing. I'll hold judgement until after they are identified,and family notified...then we'll know a little more.

jjenny
11-03-2009, 09:18 PM
But the victims haven't been identified yet,it could possibly be that LE was never notified that they were missing. I'll hold judgement until after they are identified,and family notified...then we'll know a little more.

If they were homeless or runway some might have not even been reported missing.

Kimster
11-03-2009, 09:25 PM
I've been looking on our missing forum and haven't even found any missing women from that area. I am anxious to learn who these women are and where he found them.

This just makes me so sick. Why could he get away with this so long with the smell of his home like that??? I want answers!!!

carbuff
11-03-2009, 09:27 PM
So people reported the stench to the health department but not the police? I find that hard to believe. I guess it's possible that the writer of the article is misinformed and the reports were actually filed about Ray's and not the Imperial St. home. But, if there were reports filed with the health dept about a stench coming from the home, I would imagine those same people would have reported to the police, as well.


The various articles seem to imply that nobody was quite sure where the smell was coming from. In the ordinary course of affairs, you run into more stinky sausage shops than you do serial killers burying corpses in the back yard, so their sewer connection, etc. were the most obvious place to start.

Kimster
11-03-2009, 09:27 PM
On NG, they are saying the stench lasted months and maybe years. Some people thought the smell came from a business nearby that carried pork products. A woman there said it was so bad at times she couldn't work in her office.

The sewer system had also been checked.

But some people said they didn't smell anything at all.

(I seriously think some people don't smell very well...I can smell alcohol on someone's breath and others say they can't believe I can smell that...)

Kimster
11-03-2009, 09:34 PM
This reporter on NG said there are missing persons posters all over the area. I have to wonder why we didn't know about them on WS? Why weren't there questions as to where all these women were going?

This is bugging me so much!

drip~drop
11-03-2009, 09:34 PM
uggg, I'm so sickened.
a vomitous neighborhood. :sick:

Salem
11-03-2009, 09:48 PM
This is a horrible case - with no end? How many more?

Scary.

Salem

nursebeeme
11-03-2009, 09:48 PM
the lone skull in a bucket bothers me....

Why? most obviously this predator surrounded himself with his kills. We have not heard that any of the other bodies were scattered.. in fact, five of them have been determined to have been strangled which means their heads were associated with their bodies...

either body number six did NOT have a head (and it was found today in the bucket) , or body six was decomposed too badly to determine COD and the skull is from another body yet found.

We know this man rode the bus. Could he have killed elsewhere and brought back a little reminder with him to his sickening shrine? Will more "lone" parts be found there?

Stoshie
11-03-2009, 10:26 PM
Did anyone notice the big garbage dumpster right by the house? (I assume it was behind the sausage shop)

Stoshie
11-03-2009, 10:29 PM
the lone skull in a bucket bothers me....

Why? most obviously this predator surrounded himself with his kills. We have not heard that any of the other bodies were scattered.. in fact, five of them have been determined to have been strangled which means their heads were associated with their bodies...

either body number six did NOT have a head (and it was found today in the bucket) , or body six was decomposed too badly to determine COD and the skull is from another body yet found.

We know this man rode the bus. Could he have killed elsewhere and brought back a little reminder with him to his sickening shrine? Will more "lone" parts be found there?

Cleveland.com is saying death count at 11....

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/body_count_at_anthony_sowells.html

Snufamonbobball
11-03-2009, 10:42 PM
Front page of MSN.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33604787/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts

This is a Dahmer/Gacy/Baumeister situation. There will be more not directly associated with his house. He had 2 of the bodies in his living room. If he took a bus he probably also killed away from his home, and sadly I would not be surprised if many of these women were not reported missing.

You don't start stacking bodies and leaving them in the living room, until you're killing so fast, you just kind of give up trying to hide them.

Stoshie
11-03-2009, 10:47 PM
Front page of MSN.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33604787/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts

This is a Dahmer/Gacy/Baumeister situation. There will be more not directly associated with his house. He had 2 of the bodies in his living room. If he took a bus he probably also killed away from his home, and sadly I would not be surprised if many of these women were not reported missing.

You don't start stacking bodies and leaving them in the living room, until you're killing so fast, you just kind of give up trying to hide them.

I was thinking the same thing. When he said that he lost count, I figured it was a lot. If you killed a handful of people, you would probably remember a number. I don't imagine that is something that you would lose track of.

Carrington
11-03-2009, 11:01 PM
Did anyone notice the big garbage dumpster right by the house? (I assume it was behind the sausage shop)

He had to be doing something with all those garbage bags he bought daily.
Sure wasn't cleaning up his house that was reported as piled sky-high with clothes, garbage and junk.
He did cut the grass, so the outside would appear normal, leading me to believe he was trying to cover his tracks somewhat.
I wonder if he kept ID from his victims hidden somewhere?


IMO

Carrington
11-03-2009, 11:11 PM
I just thought about the neighborhood dogs. I would think they would have been on high alert. Barking and smelling around the house.
IMO

Stoshie
11-03-2009, 11:14 PM
I just thought about the neighborhood dogs. I would think they would have been on high alert. Barking and smelling around the house.
IMO

My dogs would have been all over that. They love anything that smells bad.:sick:

mysteriew
11-03-2009, 11:23 PM
The various articles seem to imply that nobody was quite sure where the smell was coming from. In the ordinary course of affairs, you run into more stinky sausage shops than you do serial killers burying corpses in the back yard, so their sewer connection, etc. were the most obvious place to start.

Yeah and it seems no one was sure where the odor was from. Most seemed to think it was the sausage shop. Even the sausage shop thought it might be them and they replaced their sewer according to some of today's articles. It sounds like no one connected the neighborhood odor and AS's odor and figured it out.

I do need to apoligise to LE for what I said yesterday about their failure to investigate the odor. I got to thinking about it. LE was there on 09/22. We did have a cold spell in Sept and that would have reduced the odor somewhat. Still I can't get over LE being at the door and didn't smell it!

Stoshie
11-03-2009, 11:28 PM
The owner of the sausage shop replaced their grease traps too. I used to work near a restaurant that had a grease vat outside. Boy did that stink like nothing else in the summer heat.

mysteriew
11-03-2009, 11:29 PM
He had to be doing something with all those garbage bags he bought daily.
Sure wasn't cleaning up his house that was reported as piled sky-high with clothes, garbage and junk.
He did cut the grass, so the outside would appear normal, leading me to believe he was trying to cover his tracks somewhat.
I wonder if he kept ID from his victims hidden somewhere?


IMO

When I first read that I wondered if perhaps he was using garbage bags to carry scrap to the recycle center. But then it hit me, if he was using the bags to carry legitimate things he was known to do then why would he lie about it? Also "cleaning house" does sound like a little bit of a Freudian slip. If he was taking body parts out of the home to dump them somewhere, he would be "cleaning house" wouldn't he?

mysteriew
11-03-2009, 11:31 PM
Stoshie, what are you hearing on local news as far as numbers? My local news promo's are saying twelve bodies now.

Stoshie
11-03-2009, 11:33 PM
I haven't had the news on in a few hours. I have just been surfing the news sites. I will go see if I hear anything.

mysteriew
11-03-2009, 11:37 PM
While the identities of the women found in Sowell's home remain unknown -- the five victims are listed in the charges against Sowell as Jane Doe -- his past arrests offer clues to how he operated.

Sowell's victims in those cases were women on the fringe of society who appear to have been caught up in the problems that have plagued urban cities for decades. All of the women who told police Sowell attacked them had previous arrests for offenses ranging from solicitation to drug charges to assault, among others.

McGrath said investigators are trying to determine the identities of the dead. He noted police will not be surprised if nobody filed missing persons reports on some of the people.

"We will not know until we identify the victims and how they lived in the community," McGrath said.

Sowell often knew the women he attacked, according to interviews and court records.

"I have to believe all these victims voluntarily went to the residence," McGrath said.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/body_count_at_anthony_sowells.html

I do have to wonder if he got any hits and subsequent visitors from his website posting. Of course if he did, he either would have to take the bus to them or if they drove to him, he would have to dispose of their vehicles.

Also from the above article, he was in the Marines in 1978 and was stationed in North Carolina, Okinawa and California. LE is looking at one unsolved rape in Coronada, Calif. A woman who came forward Mon. and said he had choked and raped her indicated that he held her about 12 hours before she got away.

I wondered if they would search vacant homes nearby and it does look like LE is doing that. Still how good a search would it be when they probably have several to look at?

Stoshie
11-03-2009, 11:43 PM
While the identities of the women found in Sowell's home remain unknown -- the five victims are listed in the charges against Sowell as Jane Doe -- his past arrests offer clues to how he operated.

Sowell's victims in those cases were women on the fringe of society who appear to have been caught up in the problems that have plagued urban cities for decades. All of the women who told police Sowell attacked them had previous arrests for offenses ranging from solicitation to drug charges to assault, among others.

McGrath said investigators are trying to determine the identities of the dead. He noted police will not be surprised if nobody filed missing persons reports on some of the people.

"We will not know until we identify the victims and how they lived in the community," McGrath said.

Sowell often knew the women he attacked, according to interviews and court records.

"I have to believe all these victims voluntarily went to the residence," McGrath said.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/body_count_at_anthony_sowells.html

I do have to wonder if he got any hits and subsequent visitors from his website posting. Of course if he did, he either would have to take the bus to them or if they drove to him, he would have to dispose of their vehicles.

Did you see at the bottom of the article that they are looking into an unsolved rape in Coronado, California? He had been around when he was in the military.

mysteriew
11-03-2009, 11:53 PM
More details about the Sept rape and the reasons for the delays in the arrests. Also it looks like there may have been another woman attacked on Oct. 20 and this woman may have fallen out of the window. She may have told LE that her fall was an accident.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/post_106.html

Betty P
11-04-2009, 12:00 AM
Local police seem to be doing a little CYA. Most people in the area are questioning why the police missed so many clues. There's no reason why they shouldn't be doing a better job of listing and investigating missing persons. It is the Cleveland PD after all, a department historically known for its corruption.

Stoshie
11-04-2009, 12:04 AM
More details about the Sept rape and the reasons for the delays in the arrests. Also it looks like there may have been another woman attacked on Oct. 20 and this woman may have fallen out of the window. She may have told LE that her fall was an accident.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/post_106.html

Someone took a picture of him outside the house when the woman fell out of the window. He was crouching next to her and they were both naked. There is a video on WOIO about the incident. If you to the site, look for the video about a victim surviving.

http://www.woio.com/global/Category.asp?c=177485


They are still reporting 10 + 1 skull.

mysteriew
11-04-2009, 12:12 AM
Yeah it was just on my news and they are saying 10 + skull. I was reading WS when I heard the promo and heard a dozen, but they must have said almost a dozen. LOL, I have to remember that I can't read online and watch TV at the same time and gets the facts right!

mysteriew
11-04-2009, 12:14 AM
Someone took a picture of him outside the house when the woman fell out of the window. He was crouching next to her and they were both naked. There is a video on WOIO about the incident. If you to the site, look for the video about a victim surviving.

http://www.woio.com/global/Category.asp?c=177485


They are still reporting 10 + 1 skull.

That's the Oct one and she did go to the hosp and the hosp did call LE. But when LE talked with her she said it was an accident. I wonder if he threatened her to keep her quiet? I sure hope LE interviews her again!

hoppyfrog
11-04-2009, 12:16 AM
This reporter on NG said there are missing persons posters all over the area. I have to wonder why we didn't know about them on WS? Why weren't there questions as to where all these women were going?

This is bugging me so much!

I'm coming to this thread rather late, so forgive me. I've brainstormed a list of possible victims:

Gloria Walker
Tarnesha Chester
Cheri Yvette White-Haywood
Jonni Clemett
Georgina Lynn DeJesus
Amanda Marie Berry
Ashley Nicole Summers
Alicia Michelle Hogue


Cheri and Gloria would be at the top of my list as potential victims, though I haven't done any mapping or looked at timeframes.


Are any of the posters on this thread local to this case and could go look at the "missing" posters in the area and report the names back to us?


Hoppy

Stoshie
11-04-2009, 12:20 AM
That's the Oct one and she did go to the hosp and the hosp did call LE. But when LE talked with her she said it was an accident. I wonder if he threatened her to keep her quiet? I sure hope LE interviews her again!

Yeah. It sounds like a lot of the complaints against this guy, the women wouldn't talk. There is an article about the September rape complaint. The police said that she didn't show at the station, in early October when she was supposed to. She finally showed up on October 27th. That was when they were able to obtain the search and arrest warrant.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/time_gap_in_investigation_of_r.html

mysteriew
11-04-2009, 12:20 AM
Hoppy did you catch that this guy didn't have a car? His travel consisted of a bus. And he was in prison from 1989 to 2005.

The ones that we know for sure about now, he tends to know them, they are "street people" either drug or alcohol addictions, they are from the neighborhood.

But he has had a posting on a fetish website since 2005. So I guess women could have come to him. Also posted above is his Marine enlistment in 1978 he was stationed in North Carolina, Okinawa and Coronado, Calif. They are looking at one unsolved rape in Calif.

Stoshie
11-04-2009, 12:24 AM
I know that Gina DeJesus and Amanda Berry disappeared before he was released from prison.

Those disappearances hit a little close to home for me. I used to live in that part of town.

hoppyfrog
11-04-2009, 12:34 AM
I'm coming to this thread rather late, so forgive me. I've brainstormed a list of possible victims:

Gloria Walker
Tarnesha Chester
Cheri Yvette White-Haywood
Jonni Clemett
Georgina Lynn DeJesus
Amanda Marie Berry
Ashley Nicole Summers
Alicia Michelle Hogue


Cheri and Gloria would be at the top of my list as potential victims, though I haven't done any mapping or looked at timeframes.


Are any of the posters on this thread local to this case and could go look at the "missing" posters in the area and report the names back to us?


Hoppy

Thanks for the info about him being in prison 1989-2005.

So, that makes these women possible victims:

Gloria Walker
Tarnesha Chester
Ashley Nicole Summers

There are threads for all three of them here at WS.

Still haven't done any mapping.

Hoppy

Nore
11-04-2009, 01:08 AM
I'm listening to the Cleveland Police scanner.Nothing so far two people shot. west 50th and Clark! man these guys are busy!!They just announced on tv. he will be arranged at 630am.

Snufamonbobball
11-04-2009, 01:09 AM
If he's been using the internet to meet women on BDSM websites, some of these women may have traveled to meet him from outside the area.

Nore
11-04-2009, 01:14 AM
If he's been using the internet to meet women on BDSM websites, some of these women may have traveled to meet him from outside the area.

They are checking into this possibility.Police mentioned it at the conference.

Nore
11-04-2009, 01:18 AM
Hoppy did you catch that this guy didn't have a car? His travel consisted of a bus. And he was in prison from 1989 to 2005.

The ones that we know for sure about now, he tends to know them, they are "street people" either drug or alcohol addictions, they are from the neighborhood.

But he has had a posting on a fetish website since 2005. So I guess women could have come to him. Also posted above is his Marine enlistment in 1978 he was stationed in North Carolina, Okinawa and Coronado, Calif. They are looking at one unsolved rape in Calif.

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That would be most of the neighborhood.

Snufamonbobball
11-04-2009, 01:38 AM
They are checking into this possibility.Police mentioned it at the conference.

Sharon Lopatka arranged to be tortured and killed on a BDSM board. I don't think that's the case here, but it is a case of consensual homicide facilitated by a BDSM board.

I personally believe that true sexual sadists (pathological sadism) need a non-consensual victim to fulfill their master fantasy or a slave where there are no boundaries, allowing everything- including death.

He reminds me of Maury Travis, although I don't know if his thinking is as sophisticated. I'll bet he's sitting in jail right now, thinking I can't believe I got away with it for so long.

Texas Mist
11-04-2009, 02:10 AM
<snip>

Updated at 10:44 p.m.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Police found at least four more decomposing bodies and the skull of another person at Anthony Sowell's house Tuesday, making his home on Imperial Avenue among the deadliest crime scenes in Cleveland history.

Crews continued digging for corpses in Sowell's back yard after dark, even erecting a heated tent so they could work into the night. The search stopped around 9 p.m. but will resume in the morning.


more here

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/body_count_at_anthony_sowells.html

MWright
11-04-2009, 04:46 AM
This article shows a picture of Sowell from a sex fetish site, alt.com, and describes one possible victim, Janice Webb.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/02/crimesider/entry5495923.shtml

article snippets:
1)
"If your [sic] submissive and like to please, then this master wants to talk to you," Sowell's profile on Alt.com reads. "So get you’re (expletive) on over here NOW!"

2)
"The Web site says his last login was more than three months ago.

On his Alt.com profile, Sowell described his ideal partner as submissive and willing to "please… anytime, anyplace and anyway." He also describes himself as a "performer," someone who "loves to be around people." "


I wonder if he was on any more mainstream dating websites? Even so, this makes me want to reconsider using even "normal" dating websites.

MWright
11-04-2009, 04:48 AM
Hi nursebeme,I just wrote a long reply and lost it!! I grew up on the West Side near Metro Hospital ( City)..I just watched the news conference,he's been charged with multiple offenses.He doesnt have a car.They have ten bodies now but Chief said when they do DNA tests (they are collecting from families of missing) there could well be more than one body in a grave.They found a skull wrapped in paper in a bucket in the basement.hope its not another J. Dahmer! We should notify B. they are using cadaver dogs (with hits) and DNA testing.He goes to a sex website! fire Dept. will rip out walls tomorrow.I pray for the people in the neighborhood.God be with them.
Tell your husband I say Thank You!!!

Yeah, when I heard about the skull I too was wondering if he consumed at least this victim....

Inch High PI
11-04-2009, 08:29 AM
I'm confused about this house. It looks like what appears to be a two-family but I have not heard any mention of someone else living in the building. In some shots of the house there appear to be two front doors, side by side and I definitely saw a shot of two mailboxes attached to the wall- one over the other. Did he live in both homes? Was on vacant and that is where he stored the bodies?

Stoshie
11-04-2009, 08:48 AM
The home has been in the family for a long time. It was originally owned by his grandfather. I think that he has been there by himself. The area is a very depressed part of town with a lot of abandoned homes and buildings. I think that they have mentioned that the house next door is empty too.

It does appear to be a two-family.

Yep, definately a typical Cleveland two-family home.

carbuff
11-04-2009, 09:13 AM
He had to be doing something with all those garbage bags he bought daily.
Sure wasn't cleaning up his house that was reported as piled sky-high with clothes, garbage and junk.
He did cut the grass, so the outside would appear normal, leading me to believe he was trying to cover his tracks somewhat.
I wonder if he kept ID from his victims hidden somewhere?


IMO

Since he was a "scrapper," going around salvaging salable junk from the trash, some of the bags probably went to that.

But, boy, if the neighbors are used to seeing him prowling the streets dragging black garbage bags of stuff...

ohiogirl
11-04-2009, 10:12 AM
Someone took a picture of him outside the house when the woman fell out of the window. He was crouching next to her and they were both naked. There is a video on WOIO about the incident. If you to the site, look for the video about a victim surviving.

http://www.woio.com/global/Category.asp?c=177485


They are still reporting 10 + 1 skull.
That is amazing, thanks for the link. Hard to believe this went on so long.

trigger
11-04-2009, 10:15 AM
This reporter on NG said there are missing persons posters all over the area. I have to wonder why we didn't know about them on WS? Why weren't there questions as to where all these women were going?

This is bugging me so much!

Finally i'm off today and i'm catching up. Yes I saw that on NG that I taped. OMG. These poor families. Didn't LE ever think gee we got all these females missing here, look at all these posters, something is not right???? What the heck...Just now on Fox a reporter just said theres so many abandon houses on this block, one house is right across the street. They (the reporters) want to go search it, because LE won't. WHAT??? I think we will find out he killed more then 10.

Sorry but can anyone tell me how the lady met this creep in September? Did she go there on her own? Or did he kidnap her?

ohiogirl
11-04-2009, 10:25 AM
Maybe the Cleveland LE should consider calling in some help if they can only work so many hours.

ohiogirl
11-04-2009, 10:46 AM
Can anyone refresh my memory on when the father died and the step mother went into the nursing home?

SuziQ
11-04-2009, 10:46 AM
An accused serial killer was not granted bond during a court arraignment Wednesday morning.

Anthony Sowell, 50, is charged with five counts of aggravated murder as well as rape, felonious assault and kidnapping.

The public defender asked for bond in the case but the judge said Sowell is a danger to society. NewsChannel5 learned in the court appearance that Sowell has been on unemployment for about two years after being laid off from a job. He also has a pacemaker.

The case will be given to the grand jury.

More at link:
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/21518130/detail.html

future criminologist
11-04-2009, 11:22 AM
I agree. Something here stinks! I mean that in the literal sense too!

From what people on the comment sections in the local news, there is a sausage processing shop next door, or something like that. Sounds as if there is a lot of smells going on around the area. I read that a neighbor said that there was a smell a while back or something like that..

In defense of the neighbors, if my neighbor had a "weird smell' coming from his house, and was also a convicted rapist, I'd be afraid of reporting him too - what happens if they don't find bodies and have nothing to charge him with? The neighbors might fear retaliation. It's like poking a sleeping bear. (or however that expression goes). They may have been afraid of antagonizing him and thus becoming his next victim. Not that that justifies it, but they might have just wanted him to stay the hell away from them - 'you don't bother me, i won't bother you' kind of thing.

I honestly don't know what a decomposing body is supposed to smell like - so I probably would not have thought of it myself. I would think he was a hoarder or something.

RayStar
11-04-2009, 11:25 AM
I can't understand why no one thought the smell was not from human remains. Why didn't someone call LE to have the odor investigated. This really puzzles me.

Well, I hope this will make people more aware of any possible strange odors and involve LE to find the source of it.

Betty P
11-04-2009, 11:32 AM
Maybe the Cleveland LE should consider calling in some help if they can only work so many hours.

They could call in the county sheriff's dept. or FBI for help, hope they do. Cleveland is another city that's having lots of budget problems and they've made a lot of cuts in the department.

future criminologist
11-04-2009, 11:40 AM
I wonder if he was on any more mainstream dating websites? Even so, this makes me want to reconsider using even "normal" dating websites.

I know! The Internet has become a goldmine for predators - they can do everything anonymously now, test the waters to see how vulnerable their target is, basically master the art of deception. They can even find sites where people will tell them exactly what they're willing to do! (i.e. alt-fetish sites) and people will put themselves out there unknowingly to be victimized. The 'net has created a whole new world and way of meeting new people, for whatever purpose you intend, in whatever persona or facade you choose to present, and to pick and choose who interact with.

future criminologist
11-04-2009, 11:44 AM
An accused serial killer was not granted bond during a court arraignment Wednesday morning.

Anthony Sowell, 50, is charged with five counts of aggravated murder as well as rape, felonious assault and kidnapping.

The public defender asked for bond in the case but the judge said Sowell is a danger to society. NewsChannel5 learned in the court appearance that Sowell has been on unemployment for about two years after being laid off from a job. He also has a pacemaker.

The case will be given to the grand jury.

More at link:
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/21518130/detail.html

(bolded by me) - wow, that takes balls to ask for!

why in he!! would the PD ever think this guy was gonna be bonded out? and what difference does a pacemaker make? didn't seem to stop him from strangling multiple people, which takes some physical strength and intent to actually do, now did it PD?