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Salem
10-30-2009, 11:46 PM
Please continue here. I will post links in a few minutes.

Salem

Thread 12

Thread 11 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90882&page=45)

Thread 10 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90850&highlight=Somer+Renee)

Thread 9 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90814&highlight=Somer+Renee)

Thread 8 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90794&highlight=Somer+Renee)

Thread 7 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90759&highlight=Somer+Renee)

Thread 6 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90719&highlight=Somer+Renee)

Thread 5 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90659&highlight=Somer+Renee)

Thread 4 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90598&highlight=Somer+Renee)

Thread 3 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90552&highlight=Somer+Renee)

Thread 2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90501&highlight=Somer+Renee)

Thread 1 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90457&highlight=Somer+Renee)

Has anyone emailed a Mod or Adminstrator to ask for a forum/subforum?

doggies
10-30-2009, 11:59 PM
Does anyone have a valid reason that LE is not releasing more information? If we can post thousands of thoughts on the little bit we do have, can you imagine what we could do with REAL information? I mean, c'mon, LE! You tell us you think people know, you ask for our help, you must want this to be solved as much (or more) than we do! Yet you don't give the public, your thousands of eyes and ears and brains anything that might jog a memory.
I just can't figure that out.

dsntslp
10-31-2009, 12:05 AM
Claude Davis - RSO

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ns_andrea.html

It has been asked if Davis moved. To the best of my knowledge he has not. The neighbors say he has been seen recently but can not verify if he was at home on the day that Somer Thompson disappeared. They also say they were told by the Park Office that he is a registered sex offender but that they were not aware that he had at one time implicated himself in the Andrea Parsons case by saying that he had disposed of her in a dumpster.

Link to recent (10-30-09) photos of Claude Davis' residence and van. Some of Davis' neighbors say they have lived there for three years and the van in the pictures in the link below is the only vehicle they know of him owning.

http://s577.photobucket.com/albums/s...laude%20Davis/

Note that Davis' van is in the process of being painted blue.

If anybody saw this van in the Orange Park neighborhood the day Somer Thompson went missing please contact:

Clay County Tip Line: 877-227-6911 or cart@claysheriff.com

dsntslp
10-31-2009, 12:05 AM
I bumped the Davis post for the coffee crew in case they don't read back.
Good night all.

doggies
10-31-2009, 12:10 AM
Glad to see you, dsntslp. Was beginning to think I was the only one still up!

lawlady84
10-31-2009, 12:10 AM
I'm pretty sure they're not releasing the cause of death because its something only the killer would know- so if they are interviewing 100+ RSOs and others, if someone slips up and says something that wasn't released they have probable cause for a warrant/arrest. If it was released to the media, the person could say he heard it on the news.

I remember a case from law school where when interviewing a suspect he mentioned the victim was stabbed, and LE never released that. Oops!

Missouri Mom
10-31-2009, 12:11 AM
Stated this in the last thread, then looked up and realized the thread had moved. duh!

I watched NG tonight and heard the info on this guy from GA. I also have a concern, after listening to ALL of the information. I am afraid that people in Orange Park and other places may think LE has this perp and let their guard down. I pray that doesn't happen. PEOPLE STILL NEED TO AWARE, ALERT and CAUTIOUS where their children are concerned! This man MAY NOT be little Somer's murderer...THERE IS A GOOD POSSIBILITY THE PERP IS STILL LURKING!

eyes4crime
10-31-2009, 12:19 AM
Stated this in the last thread, then looked up and realized the thread had moved. duh!

I watched NG tonight and heard the info on this guy from GA. I also have a concern, after listening to ALL of the information. I am afraid that people in Orange Park and other places may think LE has this perp and let their guard down. I pray that doesn't happen. PEOPLE STILL NEED TO AWARE, ALERT and CAUTIOUS where their children are concerned! This man MAY NOT be little Somer's murderer...THERE IS A GOOD POSSIBILITY THE PERP IS STILL LURKING!

How about this for giving the benefit of the doubt to NG show tonight? maybe tonight's lame show was to keep the case in front of the public eye.

What a shame if people think LE have the perp! Yikes!

NSC
10-31-2009, 12:22 AM
HUGE question. Who was the perp that work on an education board a custodian??????

Check this out:
http://www.adventop.org/property.htm

one of the employees of this church was interviewed. My guess is during a canvass of the area. Also, thinking this is where CWG popped up. Maybe mom didn't know CWG after all... don't worry I eat crow!! If you read the police report you will understand.

kaymo
10-31-2009, 12:23 AM
I have a question about the perp detained in GA. He is a known SO and his victims have been boys, would a SO be likely to switch to girls? If this happens does anyone know how common it is to have both male and female victims?

Missouri Mom
10-31-2009, 12:26 AM
How about this for giving the benefit of the doubt to NG show tonight? maybe tonight's lame show was to keep the case in front of the public eye.

What a shame if people think LE have the perp! Yikes!

I agree in regards to a lame show....I'm so sick of the Balloon Boy incident. Usually don't watch her, except read on here that they had some info, so thought I'd tune in...set there for 40 minutes waiting, listening to BS, for 5 minutes of info. I hope no one thinks they have the perp...if they weren't paying close attention, I could see how someone might get that impression. Just thought I'd bring that to light. JMO

doggies
10-31-2009, 12:27 AM
I'm pretty sure they're not releasing the cause of death because its something only the killer would know- so if they are interviewing 100+ RSOs and others, if someone slips up and says something that wasn't released they have probable cause for a warrant/arrest. If it was released to the media, the person could say he heard it on the news.

I remember a case from law school where when interviewing a suspect he mentioned the victim was stabbed, and LE never released that. Oops!
I can understand that part of it, for sure. But it's the other things-the little things...like surely they know from where the soot came, right? They can analyze it and tell what had been burned? They'd know if it came from a barbecue pit at the park, or if it were smoke from a burned-out home, I'd think. And I imagine they know where the trash container was-someone here earlier mentioned mail w/addresses, etc. It just doesn't make any sense to me. And as far as keeping quiet to keep this child murderer out of the loop? IMO, they're going to be darn lucky if they don't wind up with another one.
Sorry. I didn't even want to type that.
It's just that if we're stuck and puzzled, think how that town must feel. I can't believe the town's not up in arms, and God help them w/Halloween being tomorrow.
My town is about 100,000. Just about 5 years ago, a boy was abducted from a group out on Halloween night. The kidnappers did let him go, and he said he was fine. After his picture was in the paper, w/the interview of his mom and dad, he admitted he HAD been molested. And naturally, although wrongly, he'd not wanted to admit it.

doggies
10-31-2009, 12:34 AM
HUGE question. Who was the perp that work on an education board a custodian??????

Check this out:
http://www.adventop.org/property.htm

one of the employees of this church was interviewed. My guess is during a canvass of the area. Also, thinking this is where CWG popped up. Maybe mom didn't know CWG after all... don't worry I eat crow!! If you read the police report you will understand.
Unconfuse me, please, NSC?

NSC
10-31-2009, 12:39 AM
I change my mind on my last comment. I think that church is way to far away to just be canvassing the area. Back to the drawing board!!!

MommaD
10-31-2009, 12:39 AM
HUGE question. Who was the perp that work on an education board a custodian??????

Check this out:
http://www.adventop.org/property.htm

one of the employees of this church was interviewed. My guess is during a canvass of the area. Also, thinking this is where CWG popped up. Maybe mom didn't know CWG after all... don't worry I eat crow!! If you read the police report you will understand.



I know when doing google maps there is a church right there by the school.. as soon as you turn on gano ave... same side Somer walked on probably. as side as burned house on.

but it is not anything fancy... looks like a house made into a church.. I thought that might be where they interviewed on the PR.. since so close to school..

I also looked up on maps where cgw and that claire live.... its seems to be south west from orange park .. in orange park but few miles away.. I could see them at the church or park..


the other 2 that live on pebble brooke on PR .. they live farther away.. I just don't know what to make of these ppl being in that area of the school and park when there are so many around .. others closer to there own address. even the school....

either they were out walking or standing somewhere around school when LE was there with DT or at DT house or area close... I just don't really understand those 4 being on there unless DT knew them and told LE to go ...

Also, I guess we will never see interviews of FBI??? or will we since sunshine laws.. Been so long on caylee case I don't remember ... sorry .. anyone remember ???? TIA

Snufamonbobball
10-31-2009, 12:43 AM
Claude Davis - RSO

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ns_andrea.html

It has been asked if Davis moved. To the best of my knowledge he has not. The neighbors say he has been seen recently but can not verify if he was at home on the day that Somer Thompson disappeared. They also say they were told by the Park Office that he is a registered sex offender but that they were not aware that he had at one time implicated himself in the Andrea Parsons case by saying that he had disposed of her in a dumpster.

Link to recent (10-30-09) photos of Claude Davis' residence and van. Some of Davis' neighbors say they have lived there for three years and the van in the pictures in the link below is the only vehicle they know of him owning.

http://s577.photobucket.com/albums/s...laude%20Davis/

Note that Davis' van is in the process of being painted blue.

If anybody saw this van in the Orange Park neighborhood the day Somer Thompson went missing please contact:

Clay County Tip Line: 877-227-6911 or cart@claysheriff.com

I thought about Davis last night, but I had no clue if he was still in prison or not. The thing that caught my attention, I know everyone is going to go shush on that "accident" post, but he said Andrea fell and bumped her head in the dumpster and died, and that post I saw said how it was an "accident" and she had bumped her head too. The poster said the man panicked and put her in a dumpster.
I know, I know, I'm grasping at thread here, but something about that one comment (and i've read hundreds) has really bugged me from the moment I read it. The guy said he had "seen it in a dream".

MommaD
10-31-2009, 12:44 AM
dang it I can't get my post to post.... anyone else having trouble???

Kewpiedoll
10-31-2009, 12:46 AM
HUGE question. Who was the perp that work on an education board a custodian??????

Check this out:
http://www.adventop.org/property.htm

one of the employees of this church was interviewed. My guess is during a canvass of the area. Also, thinking this is where CWG popped up. Maybe mom didn't know CWG after all... don't worry I eat crow!! If you read the police report you will understand.


I think the custodian info is on that last thread.

momtective
10-31-2009, 12:47 AM
HUGE question. Who was the perp that work on an education board a custodian??????

Check this out:
http://www.adventop.org/property.htm

one of the employees of this church was interviewed. My guess is during a canvass of the area. Also, thinking this is where CWG popped up. Maybe mom didn't know CWG after all... don't worry I eat crow!! If you read the police report you will understand.

Nice find...now if we could only get a list of members of that church. Wouldn't that be something...

Snufamonbobball
10-31-2009, 12:47 AM
Claude Davis - RSO

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ns_andrea.html

It has been asked if Davis moved. To the best of my knowledge he has not. The neighbors say he has been seen recently but can not verify if he was at home on the day that Somer Thompson disappeared. They also say they were told by the Park Office that he is a registered sex offender but that they were not aware that he had at one time implicated himself in the Andrea Parsons case by saying that he had disposed of her in a dumpster.

Link to recent (10-30-09) photos of Claude Davis' residence and van. Some of Davis' neighbors say they have lived there for three years and the van in the pictures in the link below is the only vehicle they know of him owning.

http://s577.photobucket.com/albums/s...laude%20Davis/

Note that Davis' van is in the process of being painted blue.

If anybody saw this van in the Orange Park neighborhood the day Somer Thompson went missing please contact:

Clay County Tip Line: 877-227-6911 or cart@claysheriff.com

OMG- I thought about Davis last night, but I had no clue if he was still in prison or not. The thing that caught my attention, I know everyone is going to go shush on that "accident" post, but he said Andrea fell and bumped her head in the dumpster and died, and that post I saw said how it was an "accident" and she had bumped her head too. The poster said the man panicked and put her in a dumpster.
I know, I know, I'm grasping at threads here, but something about that one comment (and i've read hundreds) has really bugged me from the moment I read it. The guy said he had "seen it in a dream".

twall
10-31-2009, 12:50 AM
I have a question about the perp detained in GA. He is a known SO and his victims have been boys, would a SO be likely to switch to girls? If this happens does anyone know how common it is to have both male and female victims?

Spyglass posted this on the previous thread:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...002117,00.html

"Molesters and pedophiles seem to target same-sex and opposite-sex children equally, the gender they choose depending mostly upon availability."

Someone also referred to the Groene case where both male and female had been molested by the same perp.

I'm sure there have been plenty of studies about this subject-I have never researched it-but it does make sense-availability is what counts the most to these sick freaks when they get the urge to offend.

NSC
10-31-2009, 12:50 AM
I change my mind on my last comment. I think that church is way to far away to just be canvassing the area. Back to the drawing board!!!

Snufamonbobball
10-31-2009, 12:52 AM
Claude Davis - RSO

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ns_andrea.html

It has been asked if Davis moved. To the best of my knowledge he has not. The neighbors say he has been seen recently but can not verify if he was at home on the day that Somer Thompson disappeared. They also say they were told by the Park Office that he is a registered sex offender but that they were not aware that he had at one time implicated himself in the Andrea Parsons case by saying that he had disposed of her in a dumpster.

Link to recent (10-30-09) photos of Claude Davis' residence and van. Some of Davis' neighbors say they have lived there for three years and the van in the pictures in the link below is the only vehicle they know of him owning.

http://s577.photobucket.com/albums/s...laude%20Davis/

Note that Davis' van is in the process of being painted blue.

If anybody saw this van in the Orange Park neighborhood the day Somer Thompson went missing please contact:

Clay County Tip Line: 877-227-6911 or cart@claysheriff.com

OMG- I thought about Davis last night, but I had no clue if he was still in prison or not. The thing that caught my attention, I know everyone is going to go shush on that "accident" post, but he said Andrea fell and bumped her head in the dumpster and died, and that post I saw said how it was an "accident" and she had bumped her head too. The poster said the man panicked and put her in a dumpster.
I know, I know, I'm grasping at threads here, but something about that one comment (and i've read hundreds) has really bugged me from the moment I read it. The guy said he had "seen it in a dream".

momtective
10-31-2009, 01:14 AM
HUGE question. Who was the perp that work on an education board a custodian??????

Check this out:
http://www.adventop.org/property.htm

one of the employees of this church was interviewed. My guess is during a canvass of the area. Also, thinking this is where CWG popped up. Maybe mom didn't know CWG after all... don't worry I eat crow!! If you read the police report you will understand.

Answering your ? http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/pub/default.asp?/Online/qdisp/bn=00030318

Maybe not that church but there are two other churches on Somer's route. Both on Gano...one is Pentecostal.

doggies
10-31-2009, 01:23 AM
Well, that was weird. No one could post, and then it took them all! Then the whole darn website went down. I've deleted my duplicates and am taking it to bed.
Good luck, everyone.

eyes4crime
10-31-2009, 01:56 AM
I have a question about the perp detained in GA. He is a known SO and his victims have been boys, would a SO be likely to switch to girls? If this happens does anyone know how common it is to have both male and female victims?

Who knows!!! These pedophiles don't tell the truth once their caught or else we might have some idea. mho

NSC
10-31-2009, 02:02 AM
Holy Moly! I posted 1,000 times -- Been working on deleting all the doubles. So I guess yall know I think that church is way to far for being a general canvass.

redfish
10-31-2009, 02:10 AM
Holy Moly! I posted 1,000 times -- Been working on deleting all the doubles. So I guess yall know I think that church is way to far for being a general canvass.

lol That was a huge burp!!!

redfish
10-31-2009, 02:35 AM
NSC, I am really interested in what you have dug up on CWG. If nothing else I really feel he is good for the other ones. In light of that, I don't think he has been idle in the mean time....kwim?

dsntslp
10-31-2009, 04:48 AM
NSC, I am really interested in what you have dug up on CWG. If nothing else I really feel he is good for the other ones. In light of that, I don't think he has been idle in the mean time....kwim?Redfish, I agree wholeheartedly. I would love to see a time line in column format showing where DT and Somer lived and compare it to where CWG lived during those times. I would also like to add any other missing persons to a list correlating to CWG's residences in the various places he has lived. It would be nice to also post the links to each piece of information that is found.

I am guessing that the list would need to be designed using a software program like MS Office, then screen shot and posted in a thumbnail here or posted on a photobucket. I know that the poster who posted a lot of the residence comparison information said they posted it in column format but when it posted here it reverted to paragraph format.

I may be able to work on it today.
If anyone else would like to help find the prior relevant posts and bring them over to this thread it would be a great help.
I don't remember who the original poster was that did all of the hard work sleuthing the info and posting it, does anyone else?

NSC,
Was it you?

Luna_Myst
10-31-2009, 04:58 AM
wow you guys are awesome and great at sleuthing. Been reading, and reading, and reading, oh did I mention I have been.....lol took so long to catch up you all racing thru post feels like it took me days...oh its friday? oh its saturday, it has been days..anyways I finaly made it too the end :woohoo:!
I just wanted to say Thank You for all you guys & gals do and I so admire your drive to stay with it and dig deeper, lots of great ideas lets hope we have answers soon.

I am still a newbie and just starting to learn the in's and out's of finding info, now its just learning to trust that I may have found somehting of value, as I second guess alot.:waitasec:

R.I.P. Somer. Justice Must Be Served!!!!

dsntslp
10-31-2009, 05:10 AM
Welcome Luna Mist!

Post away! Throw it all out there when you find something. It's brainstorming and to me everything is up for grabs to be posted (within the TOS, lol). That's what I find to be great about doing it like this. The other posters here can pick apart the information I find and present ideas and theories I have not considered. It really helps me to weed out the information that does not apply.

I look forward to reading your posts (Don't be shy!).

dsntslp
10-31-2009, 05:31 AM
This is a very informative site that discusses internet crimes against children.
It is a long read but it does contain a LOT of information.

http://www.kardasz.org/ICAC.html

not_my_kids
10-31-2009, 05:32 AM
Is Claude Davis back on the radar now? He never left mine.
Was there new info on him or stuff we already knew from the other day? TIA.

dsntslp
10-31-2009, 05:42 AM
Is Claude Davis back on the radar now? He never left mine.
Was there new info on him or stuff we already knew from the other day? TIA.The only new info I am aware of is in my post above, the pictures of his home and vehicle and some tidbits from his neighbors.

redfish
10-31-2009, 05:46 AM
Redfish, I agree wholeheartedly. I would love to see a time line in column format showing where DT and Somer lived and compare it to where CWG lived during those times. I would also like to add any other missing persons to a list correlating to CWG's residences in the various places he has lived. It would be nice to also post the links to each piece of information that is found.

I am guessing that the list would need to be designed using a software program like MS Office, then screen shot and posted in a thumbnail here or posted on a photobucket. I know that the poster who posted a lot of the residence comparison information said they posted it in column format but when it posted here it reverted to paragraph format.

I may be able to work on it today.
If anyone else would like to help find the prior relevant posts and bring them over to this thread it would be a great help.
I don't remember who the original poster was that did all of the hard work sleuthing the info and posting it, does anyone else?

NSC,
Was it you?

Goodmorning, You are up early, and I am up late! Do you have his birthdate handy? Have you started your list yet? I am gonna go back and see if I can dig up some of those lists. I have been jotting down some notes but you can bet NSC has it all drawn out already! I waited all day for her to post but she's holdin' out!! I know we need a forum before we start to post too much, things get lost and so much time wasted searching and duplicating work.

dsntslp
10-31-2009, 05:53 AM
Goodmorning, You are up early, and I am up late! Do you have his birthdate handy? Have you started your list yet? I am gonna go back and see if I can dig up some of those lists. I have been jotting down some notes but you can bet NSC has it all drawn out already! I waited all day for her to post but she's holdin' out!! I know we need a forum before we start to post too much, things get lost and so much time wasted searching and duplicating work.
CWG - DOB 12-21-1972

http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/ResultDetails.aspx?index=0&x=CC5ACAC7-FBDD-45F2-B4AF-AEB12A0D84A2

No, I haven't started on it yet.

KAE
10-31-2009, 06:37 AM
wow you guys are awesome and great at sleuthing. Been reading, and reading, and reading, oh did I mention I have been.....lol took so long to catch up you all racing thru post feels like it took me days...oh its friday? oh its saturday, it has been days..anyways I finaly made it too the end :woohoo:!
I just wanted to say Thank You for all you guys & gals do and I so admire your drive to stay with it and dig deeper, lots of great ideas lets hope we have answers soon.

I am still a newbie and just starting to learn the in's and out's of finding info, now its just learning to trust that I may have found somehting of value, as I second guess alot.:waitasec:

R.I.P. Somer. Justice Must Be Served!!!!

Welcome to WS Luna_Myst!

Still kinda new here myself. The people here are wonderful. If anyone disagrees with an idea they'll tear it apart, but you have to remember that they're attacking your post - not you. Personal attacks are very rare here, so don't be afraid to voice your thoughts. The worst thing that will happen is your post will get ignored, but given how fast these threads move it's understandable.
Looking forward to what you have to say!

MommaD
10-31-2009, 07:37 AM
Welcome to WS Luna_Myst!

Still kinda new here myself. The people here are wonderful. If anyone disagrees with an idea they'll tear it apart, but you have to remember that they're attacking your post - not you. Personal attacks are very rare here, so don't be afraid to voice your thoughts. The worst thing that will happen is your post will get ignored, but given how fast these threads move it's understandable.
Looking forward to what you have to say!


Yes , Welcome to WS Luna_Myst :dance: ... I can so agree with KAE on the ignored part.. I am ignored daily.. but that is ok I still keep on keepin on posting ..... you will see your information posted later on..:dance::dance::dance:

MommaD
10-31-2009, 07:48 AM
We Need more news ... LE please give another update ...


http://www.news4jax.com/news/21474681/detail.html



ALBANY, Ga. -- A judge denied bond for a 36-year-old man after he was accused of trying to entice elementary school children into his van as they were walking home.

Kenneth Kellam was charged with two counts each of attempting to entice a child for indecent purposes, attempted child molestation, attempted false imprisonment, and attempted aggravated sodomy. He will likely also face charges for failure to register as a sex offender.

MommaD
10-31-2009, 07:58 AM
Somer is so Loved by so many... Bless you Little Sweet Somer...



http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/actionlocal/story/People-travel-miles-to-visit-Somer-memorial/TNkWCndkF0Wdu6RO0qCZUw.cspx




ORANGE PARK, Fla. -- Renee Teague and Jeffrey Thomas went to Somer's neighborhood Friday to light candles in Somer's memory. They drove all the way to Orange Park from Baker County to let Somer's family know they care.

"I feel for this family. My heart just aches with them. I've cried many tears for this family, for this little girl," said Teague.

In the neighborhood, investigators continue checking leads.

2,300 tips have come in, but detectives are staying tight lipped.

People say they understand if it means investigators are getting close to finding the child killer.

"I just want them to catch the monster that has done this to this little girl," said Teague.

Until then, people are praying and sticking together in a community that is keeping Somer's memory in their hearts.

MommaD
10-31-2009, 08:08 AM
Somer Thompson: FBI hunts for clues in Georgia landfill
Everything from taking crime scene photographs to lifting fingerprints



http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-10-29/story/somer_thompson_fbi_hunts_for_clues_in_georgia_land fill



When FBI agent Larry Meyer heard that police found Somer Thompson’s body in a Georgia landfill last week, he mobilized a group of co-workers whose gruesome, painstaking work may reveal her killer.

Some were gun-toting agents who regularly hunt criminals on the streets of North Florida. Others included FBI support staff whose full-time jobs entail photography and data analysis.


They are all part of the Jacksonville-based FBI Evidence Response Team, a highly trained group of forensics-fascinated folk who could run circles around any CSI television star, though it’ll take more than an hour.

MommaD
10-31-2009, 08:13 AM
Men Found Guilty Of Raping 12-Year-Old Girl


Posted: 4:33 pm EDT October 30, 2009Updated: 6:35 pm EDT October 30, 2009

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- An Orange County jury convicted two illegal immigrants Friday of kidnapping and raping a 12-year-old girl. The 12-year-old, who was eleven at the time, was on her way to school in February when she was grabbed off the street at knife-point.

The two men who were accused of raping the girl could go to prison for the rest of their lives. Life is the most serious sentence they could face under Florida law, but both will spend at least 25 years.

Starry Night
10-31-2009, 08:15 AM
Everyone keep praying for LE to solve this case-and that they don't lose heart. Imagine the task before them-all the information posters have put on this thread is a microscopic part of their search for justice. Not to mention the laws they have to contend with-the 'rights'and 'rules' of discovery. LE has physical evidence and they have to work backwards-they really really need help from witnesses to find that elusive link-to fit the timeline and the clues. It is a terrible thing to lose a child in the community and a defeating feeling that it happened at all. I am not a great believer in more laws unless, as this case exposed, such new laws help prevent SO's from having carte blanche to roam and go free. Each and every one of us in our own community can take the time to take a stand and write legislators and judges whenever we see too much leniency towards perpetrators against children. We can never give up the good fight.

MommaD
10-31-2009, 08:18 AM
Sheriff's Deputy Arrested For Assaulting Child

Posted: 9:34 pm EDT October 30, 2009


http://www.wftv.com/news/21482587/detail.html


ST. CLOUD, Fla. -- An Osceola County Sheriff's Deputy is facing charges for Sexual Battery on a Child and Domestic Violence.

St. Cloud police arrested Sergeant Chad Lakey on Friday.

Police won't say much about the circumstances surrounding his arrest.

Lakey is on paid administrative leave pending an investigation.




Comments are interesting in this article.. Interesting what is NOT said in article.. Why so hush hush????? Release info just like it would on anyone else.. grrrrrrrrrrrrr...

Ripley007
10-31-2009, 08:18 AM
I'm pretty sure they're not releasing the cause of death because its something only the killer would know- so if they are interviewing 100+ RSOs and others, if someone slips up and says something that wasn't released they have probable cause for a warrant/arrest. If it was released to the media, the person could say he heard it on the news.

I remember a case from law school where when interviewing a suspect he mentioned the victim was stabbed, and LE never released that. Oops!

Exactally, or maybe they are not releasing details because maybe, just maybe, Somer wasn't sexually molested, and therefore suspision might befall a family member, a family friend, or a child in the nieghborhood, and it's as equally important to LE that the public not know that fact yet. Maybe if we KNEW Somer wasn't sexually assalted, then suspicion might turn inward, and LE may have very valid reasons for the public not to turn against the family yet, or to look at fellow child as the killer......just saying.......give it some time folks, and it's not going to take much time, trust me.....we will start to get some "truths" soon......I suspect.

MommaD
10-31-2009, 08:26 AM
Exactally, or maybe they are not releasing details because maybe, just maybe, Somer wasn't sexually molested, and therefore suspision might befall a family member, a family friend, or a child in the nieghborhood, and it's as equally important to LE that the public not know that fact yet. Maybe if we KNEW Somer wasn't sexually assalted, then suspicion might turn inward, and LE may have very valid reasons for the public not to turn against the family yet, or to look at fellow child as the killer......just saying.......give it some time folks, and it's not going to take much time, trust me.....we will start to get some "truths" soon......I suspect.


I am hoping and Praying Ripley this is true.....

KAE
10-31-2009, 08:50 AM
Sheriff's Deputy Arrested For Assaulting Child

Posted: 9:34 pm EDT October 30, 2009



ST. CLOUD, Fla. -- An Osceola County Sheriff's Deputy is facing charges for Sexual Battery on a Child and Domestic Violence.

St. Cloud police arrested Sergeant Chad Lakey on Friday.

Police won't say much about the circumstances surrounding his arrest.

Lakey is on paid administrative leave pending an investigation.




Comments are interesting in this article.. Interesting what is NOT said in article.. Why so hush hush????? Release info just like it would on anyone else.. grrrrrrrrrrrrr...
Do you have link to the article - sounds interesting.

doggies
10-31-2009, 08:52 AM
Cleveland Ohio/Authorities in Ohio were digging for more bodies Saturday at the home of a convicted sex offender after the possible remains of six people were found inside and outside his house.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570628,00.html
I sincerely hope this is nowhere around any of you, posters. So sorry it happened at all.
The point I'm making is that a la' not enough information being given out , there's not even a picture of this rapist on this Fox website, or in the online Cleveland Plain Dealer story.
Now how crazy is that? This is just a pet peeve of mine. Thanks for letting me vent:doh:

capoly
10-31-2009, 08:55 AM
Originally Posted by Kewpiedoll http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4367439#post4367439)
DT stated this herself to the media, I watched it and also heard her comment about 'she didn't raise her kids that way'.

The Sheriff did not state DT provided him with the information-- it was more than likely the baby-sitter that spilled the info to LE.


Here is 10/19 video with Sheriff.....

7-Year-Old Orange Park Girl Missing (around 3:40 mark)
http://www.news4jax.com/video/21344324/index.html

and

Grandmother Devastated by Somer's Disappearance
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/s...6947&catid=338


After reading the baby sitters comments last week I backtracked as it didn't make sense.......as this video clearly establishes, the Sheriff knew of Somer's tendency to wander right off (baby sitter's comments came a day or so later and while he doesn't specifically say DT told him...it is far more likely the info came from family rather then a teen baby sitter from months ago)....it seems he also believed it was out of the norm for her to wander past a certain time.

OT Do love this Sheriff.....

KAE
10-31-2009, 08:58 AM
Cleveland Ohio/Authorities in Ohio were digging for more bodies Saturday at the home of a convicted sex offender after the possible remains of six people were found inside and outside his house.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570628,00.html
I sincerely hope this is nowhere around any of you, posters. So sorry it happened at all.
The point I'm making is that a la' not enough information being given out , there's not even a picture of this rapist on this Fox website, or in the online Cleveland Plain Dealer story.
Now how crazy is that? This is just a pet peeve of mine. Thanks for letting me vent:doh:

I think this is the one you're talking about:

OH-Manhunt: Sex Offender On the Run After Police Unearth Bodies At His Home - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


I was reading it last night and then tried to get some sleep - creepy!

doggies
10-31-2009, 08:59 AM
I'll be gone all morning, so barring any more glitches in the system, I'll catch up (or pretend to) when I get home. Menwhile, keep on keeping on, ya'll. :)

doggies
10-31-2009, 09:01 AM
KAE, you're exactly right. Sorry.:sick:
I should have linked to that. Thank you!

KAE
10-31-2009, 09:04 AM
No problem Doggies.

We need a Mod to lock the previous thread (#12)

Ripley007
10-31-2009, 09:07 AM
PS-we need a mod to recognize that this case WILL be a biggie and it deserves it's own unique thread, that can then be subdivided into different areas of interest and concerns. JMHO

MommaD
10-31-2009, 09:10 AM
Do you have link to the article - sounds interesting.



added link to my post.. sorry ..

here is the link

http://www.wftv.com/news/21482587/detail.html

to sheriff's deputy arrested..

MommaD
10-31-2009, 09:13 AM
Cleveland Ohio/Authorities in Ohio were digging for more bodies Saturday at the home of a convicted sex offender after the possible remains of six people were found inside and outside his house.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570628,00.html
I sincerely hope this is nowhere around any of you, posters. So sorry it happened at all.
The point I'm making is that a la' not enough information being given out , there's not even a picture of this rapist on this Fox website, or in the online Cleveland Plain Dealer story.
Now how crazy is that? This is just a pet peeve of mine. Thanks for letting me vent:doh:



Oh great now he is gone.. reward for him.. :furious: :furious:

MommaD
10-31-2009, 09:20 AM
wow .. just wow....

This lady was found buried in her backyard .. she had been missing..

Tina Brewer....


http://www.wftv.com/video/21475636/index.html

CajunGirl
10-31-2009, 09:26 AM
God is Great, Beer is Good.....

People are Crazy

MommaD
10-31-2009, 09:29 AM
o/t ..... Hey CG .. everyone was worried about you .. hadn't heard from you for few hours. but a little birdie told us about your tooth.. hope it gets better... nothing worse than a toothache.. I feel so sorry for you CG ..every week you have some new problem with health.. Is this your first baby?? Hope time passes fast and safe rest of the months to come for you.. Get well.... Gotta love those babes tho... nothing like them in this world...

CajunGirl
10-31-2009, 09:44 AM
o/t ..... Hey CG .. everyone was worried about you .. hadn't heard from you for few hours. but a little birdie told us about your tooth.. hope it gets better... nothing worse than a toothache.. I feel so sorry for you CG ..every week you have some new problem with health.. Is this your first baby?? Hope time passes fast and safe rest of the months to come for you.. Get well.... Gotta love those babes tho... nothing like them in this world...

Yup, first baby. I swear if it's not one thing, it's another! LOL Story of my life. I'm usually a very healthy person. I rarely get sick & have NEVER had tooth problems. When I was a kid, I didn't listen to my dad & walked behind the bleachers at my brothers baseball game. All of the boys were warming up behind there & swinging their bats. Well, I was smacked by one & it caused damage to one of my teeth. So guess what tooth is hurting? LOL The only one I've ever had work done on & I swear, I just want it to disappear! It's halloween & I won't be able to eat any of the good stuff!!!!

http://i34.tinypic.com/977686.jpg

KAE
10-31-2009, 09:51 AM
Yup, first baby. I swear if it's not one thing, it's another! LOL Story of my life. I'm usually a very healthy person. I rarely get sick & have NEVER had tooth problems. When I was a kid, I didn't listen to my dad & walked behind the bleachers at my brothers baseball game. All of the boys were warming up behind there & swinging their bats. Well, I was smacked by one & it caused damage to one of my teeth. So guess what tooth is hurting? LOL The only one I've ever had work done on & I swear, I just want it to disappear! It's halloween & I won't be able to eat any of the good stuff!!!!

http://i34.tinypic.com/977686.jpg

Your pumpkin is Grrrrrrreat! :)

ShadowGal
10-31-2009, 10:32 AM
Yup, first baby. I swear if it's not one thing, it's another! LOL Story of my life. I'm usually a very healthy person. I rarely get sick & have NEVER had tooth problems. When I was a kid, I didn't listen to my dad & walked behind the bleachers at my brothers baseball game. All of the boys were warming up behind there & swinging their bats. Well, I was smacked by one & it caused damage to one of my teeth. So guess what tooth is hurting? LOL The only one I've ever had work done on & I swear, I just want it to disappear! It's halloween & I won't be able to eat any of the good stuff!!!!

http://i34.tinypic.com/977686.jpg

Hope you're feeling better

Who did that incredible pumpkin?

dannyodie
10-31-2009, 10:36 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/21476757/detail.html

thought this was interesting, since it involves a vacant house in orange county, these guys may have been in jail at the time but i found it interesting just the same, and btw, I have found that most hispanics own either toyotas or nissans vehicles, just my observations....

CajunGirl
10-31-2009, 10:37 AM
I'm not sure but whoever did, did a GREAT job. Those LSU fans are some talented LOL

Kamille
10-31-2009, 10:39 AM
In regards to CWG being on the police report, not sure if anyone has checked this but the woman CS who was also on the report has a myspace. As of today it is not private. She has a friend on there who resembles CWG to me. He's from Texas and coincidentally she also has TQ as one of her friends. Just something to ponder.

ShadowGal
10-31-2009, 10:43 AM
Liz! et al, check out Soulscape's morning post on Jones...scary...

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - SOMER THOMPSON,7 yr old missing 10/19/09 Orange Park, FL


ETA: Soulscape says, what must be sleuthed: Where was Jones on 10/19/09????

dannyodie
10-31-2009, 10:45 AM
I have been kicking this thought around just a bit, but what if it was someone familier with somer from a past relationship with somers mom picks her up takes her out of the area and does whatever to her, then later that night returns to the area and puts her in a trash can there so as to keep investigators distracted in thinking the perp is out of that area instead of another location? its puzzling as to why she wasn't discarded along a roadway or something like that? the only other possibility I can think of is that it could have been an older teenager which doesn't have a means of transportation and discarded her the only way he could think of, like I wonder if there were some older teens that had parents out of town for a few days and that provided an opertunity...

EclecticArtist
10-31-2009, 10:53 AM
NG last night! So sick of Balloon Boy!

DAD was on NG.. Noticed many new $$$ pictures of Somer! Sound familiar?? Damn!! Here we go again! :furious:

Patty G
10-31-2009, 10:58 AM
I haven't posted NG video(s) here from last night as the video(s) will only get lost with all of the posts.

View my You Tube Channel for the video here: http://www.youtube.com/Sierra1947 for Nancy's Show on Somer.

browning_beauty77
10-31-2009, 11:00 AM
NG last night! So sick of Balloon Boy!

DAD was on NG.. Noticed many new $$$ pictures of Somer! Sound familiar?? Damn!! Here we go again! :furious:

Sorry Im new here and a little out of the loop....what does that mean sorry if Im not allowed to ask JW.:waitasec:

NSC
10-31-2009, 11:00 AM
I have been kicking this thought around just a bit, but what if it was someone familier with somer from a past relationship with somers mom picks her up takes her out of the area and does whatever to her, then later that night returns to the area and puts her in a trash can there so as to keep investigators distracted in thinking the perp is out of that area instead of another location? its puzzling as to why she wasn't discarded along a roadway or something like that? the only other possibility I can think of is that it could have been an older teenager which doesn't have a means of transportation and discarded her the only way he could think of, like I wonder if there were some older teens that had parents out of town for a few days and that provided an opertunity...

BBM, You know you bring up a GREAT point!!! I know there were two boyfriends since she left Sam Thompsom. Cajungirl, did you have those names?? I thought you mentioned them. Seems like mother moves pretty swift and quick from man to man. Hey her choice, but not good enviorment for any child!! Wonder if she burned any of them, lived with any of the others? Anyway, could be possible they taking revenge. Shoot, anything is possible in this case but CWG is still my main man.

Not to mention a few of us have found some other girls that have gone missing we think could be connected. In particular another member found this one and it EEKS me out, CWG would be about 20 at the time - Talk about an anniversay killer - LOOK AT THIS ONE:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bishop_kristina.html

PS- welcome back Cajun Girl we missed you yesterday!

NSC
10-31-2009, 11:03 AM
Sorry Im new here and a little out of the loop....what does that mean sorry if Im not allowed to ask JW.:waitasec:

Saying Dad was prob paid for giving pics. I hope that isn't the case. Sam seems to have some intergrity from what I have seen so far.

Edit to add: Then again mom is making a ton of money in donations but that is another story. Would Military allow him time off anyway since he is injured or who is gonna pay dad bills while he deals with this?

ShadowGal
10-31-2009, 11:03 AM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park thread #12

For those who have not seen.

Carried over from last thread, Momtective quoting Liz.

Please note bruising on face, stubble/regrowth.

Reminder LE said perp may have come out of retirement. This guys is old, last offense was years before.

browning_beauty77
10-31-2009, 11:09 AM
Saying Dad was prob paid for giving pics. I hope that isn't the case. Sam seems to have some intergrity from what I have seen so far.

Edit to add: Then again mom is making a ton of money in donations but that is another story. Would Military allow him time off anyway since he is injured or who is gonna pay dad bills while he deals with this?

Okay thank you very much...I have to agree with you on Dad seeming to have integrity my heart breaks for this whole family but poor Dad hadn't even seen her in two years and now he has to live with that for the rest of his life....everyone keeps asking why it had been so long does anyone know the answer to that could it be Mom used the kids as a pawn and wouldn't allow Dad to see them JW?

Isabelle
10-31-2009, 11:12 AM
added link to my post.. sorry ..

here is the link

http://www.wftv.com/news/21482587/detail.html

to sheriff's deputy arrested..

Charged for Sexual Battery on a child and Domestic Violence, yet he is on PAID leave. Life is pretty good for these monsters, isn't it. Paid leave??? GMAB

dannyodie
10-31-2009, 11:13 AM
Okay thank you very much...I have to agree with you on Dad seeming to have integrity my heart breaks for this whole family but poor Dad hadn't even seen her in two years and now he has to live with that for the rest of his life....everyone keeps asking why it had been so long does anyone know the answer to that could it be Mom used the kids as a pawn and wouldn't allow Dad to see them JW?

well not 100% but I do know that the dad had been serving our country in iraq, so that could account for some of the time that he wasn't able to see her.

belimom
10-31-2009, 11:13 AM
In regards to CWG being on the police report, not sure if anyone has checked this but the woman CS who was also on the report has a myspace. As of today it is not private. She has a friend on there who resembles CWG to me. He's from Texas and coincidentally she also has TQ as one of her friends. Just something to ponder.

I searched court records in Clay and Duval counties for CS, AG, TY, and TJ (all from missing person's report). They all have some sort of record on file. I wonder if all of these folks were congregating nearby or even at the home with SP or with CWG, or friends with DT, or - something. Sure makes you think, huh?

ETA: Just seems odd to me. If you were to take a sampling of folks hanging near my house (neighbors, friends, etc), I believe the chances of finding folks with a court record would be very low (would probably be much much higher if I did the same for the route from our home to either of the three schools within walking distance, though). Maybe I'll do a search for my neighbors and see if the rate is as high as those around little Somer.

passionflower
10-31-2009, 11:15 AM
Have we sleuthed a Joe Pervo ???
This whole thread is a mess........
do we even have a mod here?

ShadowGal
10-31-2009, 11:17 AM
Have we sleuthed a Joe Pervo ???
This whole thread is a mess........
do we even have a mod here?

I think that's her nickname for the possible perp...not a real name.

passionflower
10-31-2009, 11:18 AM
PS-we need a mod to recognize that this case WILL be a biggie and it deserves it's own unique thread, that can then be subdivided into different areas of interest and concerns. JMHO

bolded my me and YES! A BIG CASE TO COME!!!

Patty G
10-31-2009, 11:24 AM
Have we sleuthed a Joe Pervo ???
This whole thread is a mess........
do we even have a mod here?

Moderators:
Animal04216, christine2448, imamaze, hoppyfrog

2curious
10-31-2009, 11:26 AM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park thread #12 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4364761&postcount=479)

For those who have not seen.

Carried over from last thread, Momtective quoting Liz.

Please note bruising on face, stubble/regrowth.

Reminder LE said perp may have come out of retirement. This guys is old, last offense was years before.

Yes, I see the bruising. And this pic was taken on 10/27/09!!:woohoo:

passionflower
10-31-2009, 11:31 AM
I think that's her nickname for the possible perp...not a real name.

Thanks, I need more JO...........
went to astro thread and read about that guy........
we had him a day ago.

passionflower
10-31-2009, 11:33 AM
Dumb question..........any dogs barking in the area when Somer was abducted?
anyone on street have dogs?
Did Somer ever stop to pet or talk to a dog?

passionflower
10-31-2009, 11:35 AM
old or not there is viagra..........and old pervs were young once..........
could have allot of rapes/murders under his belt at 76!!!! (Pervo nn guy)

MommaD
10-31-2009, 11:39 AM
Sorry Im new here and a little out of the loop....what does that mean sorry if Im not allowed to ask JW.:waitasec:


Oh yes I have noticed this Father of Somer's has $ for pupils in his eyes.. I can hardly stand to watch him in an interview.. He has his own fund set up also.. why ?? why??? He said he hadn't talked to Somer in over 2 months and hadn't seen her in 2 yrs..

Makes me sick to hear him start to tell about how all the ppl have helped him and then the host of show stops him from going farther. I am so glad they stop him.. one time seeing him whine about needing funds was enough.. other ppl find the funds to handle these kinds of situations.. grrrrrrrrrrr I better stop now .. :furious::furious::furious:

ShadowGal
10-31-2009, 11:41 AM
Thanks, I need more JO...........
went to astro thread and read about that guy........
we had him a day ago.

yeah, Liz asked them to run a chart

doggies
10-31-2009, 11:42 AM
old or not there is viagra..........and old pervs were young once..........
could have allot of rapes/murders under his belt at 76!!!! (Pervo nn guy)
O/T Hi, Passionflower! Been a long time since we've blogged together!
Back on: That's not a dumb question at all-my mind, since I have lots of doggies, went to the question, Did any of them bark?
If there were strange goings-on, perhaps someone noticed a dog barking at an unusual time or happening?
Doggie owners in the neighborhood-think back!

MommaD
10-31-2009, 11:44 AM
BBM, You know you bring up a GREAT point!!! I know there were two boyfriends since she left Sam Thompsom. Cajungirl, did you have those names?? I thought you mentioned them. Seems like mother moves pretty swift and quick from man to man. Hey her choice, but not good enviorment for any child!! Wonder if she burned any of them, lived with any of the others? Anyway, could be possible they taking revenge. Shoot, anything is possible in this case but CWG is still my main man.

Not to mention a few of us have found some other girls that have gone missing we think could be connected. In particular another member found this one and it EEKS me out, CWG would be about 20 at the time - Talk about an anniversay killer - LOOK AT THIS ONE:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bishop_kristina.html

PS- welcome back Cajun Girl we missed you yesterday!



wow the date NSC... hmmmm nice find..

MommaD
10-31-2009, 11:48 AM
Saying Dad was prob paid for giving pics. I hope that isn't the case. Sam seems to have some intergrity from what I have seen so far.

Edit to add: Then again mom is making a ton of money in donations but that is another story. Would Military allow him time off anyway since he is injured or who is gonna pay dad bills while he deals with this?


I don't know if he is still in military.. He really needs sleuth better. I just don't care for all the mixed signals from him and the media.. It's really sad to use ppl for sympathy then to find out the person told all kinds of mistruths..

Ripley007
10-31-2009, 11:52 AM
Oh yes I have noticed this Father of Somer's has $ for pupils in his eyes.. I can hardly stand to watch him in an interview.. He has his own fund set up also.. why ?? why??? He said he hadn't talked to Somer in over 2 months and hadn't seen her in 2 yrs..

Makes me sick to hear him start to tell about how all the ppl have helped him and then the host of show stops him from going farther. I am so glad they stop him.. one time seeing him whine about needing funds was enough.. other ppl find the funds to handle these kinds of situations.. grrrrrrrrrrr I better stop now .. :furious::furious::furious:

It's interesting to hear you say that about Somer's father....cause on a similar note, I think I kind gained unwelcome notaritity on this thread by posting suspicions of Somer's Mom and her dry eyed crys and wails, and her seemingly, unlimited amount of time to spend in front of the TV cameras. I also noted that it bugged the heck out of me that on day 2 or 3 she was in front of the cameras YET again, and one of the first things out of her mouth was thanking the public for monetary donations. WRONG on so many levels.......

I've got a theory that I may as just well spout off....since I've alienated some already by critizing Somer's Mom.

Is it possible that Somer was killed by her own 2 siblings and that would explain mom's on air weirdo demeanor? Cause she KNOWS!!!?
Is that bad of me to think that?

Anyone?

dsntslp
10-31-2009, 11:57 AM
Could we start different threads for videos, sex offenders etc... and start organizing the information that way or is that a no-no? At least that way when a separate forum is started the information would be easier to move.

MommaD
10-31-2009, 12:00 PM
O/T Hi, Passionflower! Been a long time since we've blogged together!
Back on: That's not a dumb question at all-my mind, since I have lots of doggies, went to the question, Did any of them bark?
If there were strange goings-on, perhaps someone noticed a dog barking at an unusual time or happening?
Doggie owners in the neighborhood-think back!



Passion flower I don't know if age has anything to do with these rso and so.. I have read its in the mind... brain if you can say they have one. sorry just sickens me ... as long as that part of their brain works they will be a rso or so....


As far as hearing dogs barking or ppl seeing anything. These days with more and more ppl working not at home to hear all the goings on... makes it harder for investigators to get tips .. I have no link just my own opinion on this..

NSC
10-31-2009, 12:15 PM
Have we sleuthed a Joe Pervo ???
This whole thread is a mess........
do we even have a mod here?

This is weird, I am having De Ja Vu - I have dreamed this part of this thread, this is WEIRD!!! That would be me though..

2curious
10-31-2009, 12:16 PM
Oh yes I have noticed this Father of Somer's has $ for pupils in his eyes.. I can hardly stand to watch him in an interview.. He has his own fund set up also.. why ?? why??? He said he hadn't talked to Somer in over 2 months and hadn't seen her in 2 yrs..
then the host of show stops him from going farther. I am so glad they stop him.. one time seeing him whine about needing funds was enough.. other ppl find the funds to handle these kinds of situations.. grrrrrrrrrrr I better stop now .. :furious::furious::furious:

I ask the same question! Why does he have his own fund set up?:furious:
He never could help with the children before, or pay child support:furious:

NSC
10-31-2009, 12:19 PM
wow the date NSC... hmmmm nice find..

Tarabull found it :) I think she posted it now too :)

NSC
10-31-2009, 12:21 PM
It's interesting to hear you say that about Somer's father....cause on a similar note, I think I kind gained unwelcome notaritity on this thread by posting suspicions of Somer's Mom and her dry eyed crys and wails, and her seemingly, unlimited amount of time to spend in front of the TV cameras. I also noted that it bugged the heck out of me that on day 2 or 3 she was in front of the cameras YET again, and one of the first things out of her mouth was thanking the public for monetary donations. WRONG on so many levels.......

I've got a theory that I may as just well spout off....since I've alienated some already by critizing Somer's Mom.

Is it possible that Somer was killed by her own 2 siblings and that would explain mom's on air weirdo demeanor? Cause she KNOWS!!!?
Is that bad of me to think that?

Anyone?

I admit at first I thought no such thing. But am def skeptical of mom at this point. Not sure involment but I think anything possible.

doggies
10-31-2009, 12:22 PM
...

As far as hearing dogs barking or ppl seeing anything. These days with more and more ppl working not at home to hear all the goings on... makes it harder for investigators to get tips .. I have no link just my own opinion on this..
I understand, MommaD, but am thinking since the kids were out of school, they could have heard something-and there were bound to be some
people home, wouldn't you think?
Just throwing that out there. Too bad the doggies can't tell us what they saw.
And PS-I'm still not convinced there was no vehicle involved...I don't know why, but I just keep thinking snatched off the street and then dumped.
Poor little Somer. I cannot imagine her terror.

believe09
10-31-2009, 12:22 PM
I understand emotions are running high in this case-Unless I have missed some press, Somer's mother and entire family are crime victims. Is there something that indicates she contributed to Somer's death? No offense, but it is starting to feel a little bit like bashing here...JMO and peace to all.

doggies
10-31-2009, 12:24 PM
I ask the same question! Why does he have his own fund set up?:furious:
He never could help with the children before, or pay child support:furious:
Doesn't the military have a way to make sure child support is paid? I would think that if there were a child support order, the military would make sure it was honored. Something's not right. :waitasec:

Kewpiedoll
10-31-2009, 12:27 PM
I ask the same question! Why does he have his own fund set up?:furious:
He never could help with the children before, or pay child support:furious:

How do you know he didn't help with the children and paid nothing to assist with support? I haven't heard or read any of this. Do you have a link pointing me in the right direction?

Their Divorce is not even final, while I am sure the court may have ordered some type of support to start, and with him being military-- well that would be paid right off the top before he even received a paycheck. No???

I think he needs to start his own sleuthing on DT and do everything he can to protect his children. Wonder how the courts look at no final divorce and yet a new live in boyfriend??

Kewpiedoll
10-31-2009, 12:31 PM
Doesn't the military have a way to make sure child support is paid? I would think that if there were a child support order, the military would make sure it was honored. Something's not right. :waitasec:

Ah ha... you got it...!
I like how the divorce isn't even resolved and the new live in boyfriend gets front and center at Somer's funeral.

dannyodie
10-31-2009, 12:32 PM
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/10/31/ng.thompson.possible.link.cnn

most of us watch ng, but just incase u don't know there is a story posted for later

CountryGirl
10-31-2009, 12:34 PM
You know, none of us know what went on in their marriage.

Kewpiedoll
10-31-2009, 12:36 PM
I understand emotions are running high in this case-Unless I have missed some press, Somer's mother and entire family are crime victims. Is there something that indicates she contributed to Somer's death? No offense, but it is starting to feel a little bit like bashing here...JMO and peace to all.

I don't believe DT had anything to do with this at all.
I think it is a great possible-- that within her cirlce of friends, and her lifestyle that she may have had way too many strangers around the children, none of which she knew were on the darker sides of reality.

NSC
10-31-2009, 12:38 PM
Sorry if I'm wrong. I'm just going by the information that has been posted here and in the news. Said he didn't have $$ to support. I hope he is[B]not using this for himself. I hope it is for the good of the children.

Hey any of us could be wrong here :) My mind changes daily :) There have been a lot of posts that have gone against theories or things I think but I have seen the light on some of them. That is why I love posting here, challenged to think :)

violet67
10-31-2009, 12:40 PM
It's interesting to hear you say that about Somer's father....cause on a similar note, I think I kind gained unwelcome notaritity on this thread by posting suspicions of Somer's Mom and her dry eyed crys and wails, and her seemingly, unlimited amount of time to spend in front of the TV cameras. I also noted that it bugged the heck out of me that on day 2 or 3 she was in front of the cameras YET again, and one of the first things out of her mouth was thanking the public for monetary donations. WRONG on so many levels.......

I've got a theory that I may as just well spout off....since I've alienated some already by critizing Somer's Mom.

Is it possible that Somer was killed by her own 2 siblings and that would explain mom's on air weirdo demeanor? Cause she KNOWS!!!?
Is that bad of me to think that?

Anyone?
ok..well when i first read this case my initial knee-jerk, no rationality-to-it, gut feeling was something is not ok with the dynamics with the kids - i think that SP being there is a big red flag (and all this is JMO) I think you were just ahead of the times a bit because it seems like the court of public opinion is starting to turn against DT. I found myself a bit irritated when people judged her dress for the memorial or the fact that she had a marijuana icon on her FB or myspace or pics that may not have been in the best taste but i just get the vibe that she may have had a very troubled kid (again JMO).. I feel very badly for DT - i think her initial comments about raising somer to come home directly comes from a huge feeling of guilt. I am thinking that a lot of her actions may be coming from that place. I have since the beginning noticed the subtle contradictions in her body language and hope that it comes from being suddenly in a very high profile situation. People do really odd, inexplainable things sometimes in those circumstances. I really really hope the scenario you put out with the kids is totally wrong but i will admit that it was also my first first reaction. and.... don't know why but i get an uneasy feeling about somer's dad (not that i think has has ANYTHING to do with this awful mess but i think he may be seizing a bit of an opportunity for a little financial explotation)

Noway
10-31-2009, 12:40 PM
It could be that the mods are waiting for actual evidence to be released before we get a subforum.

Sadley, in the case of Hasanni Campbell, evidence was released, two people arrested and subsequently let go and there has been no evidence, no media coverage and therefore, nothing new to discuss.

I have made at least two requests for subforum in addition to the numerous hints.

Today is busy ... basketball, birthday party and Halloween so I may not be back today.

If you need links, my post will be on page 5 and it's 111 (for now, if no posts get deleted). How easy is that?!

And here is the shortcut to it. :)

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park thread #13

MCDRAW
10-31-2009, 12:42 PM
How do you know he didn't help with the children and paid nothing to assist with support? I haven't heard or read any of this. Do you have a link pointing me in the right direction?

Their Divorce is not even final, while I am sure the court may have ordered some type of support to start, and with him being military-- well that would be paid right off the top before he even received a paycheck. No???

I think he needs to start his own sleuthing on DT and do everything he can to protect his children. Wonder how the courts look at no final divorce and yet a new live in boyfriend??


Have I missed something? Why is he trying to take the other children from her to protect them? Somer was taken walking home from school because the Mother was at work trying to support them. Why is she now a bad Mother? There are tons of working Mothers in this Country and there are lots of children that walk home and even stay alone until their parents get there.

MCDRAW
10-31-2009, 12:47 PM
Doesn't the military have a way to make sure child support is paid? I would think that if there were a child support order, the military would make sure it was honored. Something's not right. :waitasec:


I don't know about the military but I know that child support isn't usually set until the divorce is final.

dannyodie
10-31-2009, 12:50 PM
like I was saying before, it is possible that the person that did this took her out of the area and molested her, then put her body in a local trash bin to keep authorties nailed to the local area. if kellem did this I would think he wouldn't want to risk transporting her back to georgia since he was a known offender so he wouldn't want to risk being caught since a amber alert was put out? he might not be the person at all, but it seems like to me that maybe he decided to take a little girl instead of trying for a young boy, maybe it was in his mind a bit easier. he could have known of another area close by to molest her then left her there or even stayed with her until dark, I don't know how quick the vacant house was looked at when she went missing? the waiting game is on.......

belimom
10-31-2009, 12:51 PM
I don't know about the military but I know that child support isn't usually set until the divorce is final.

There is often temporary alimony set early in the divorce process, so I'm sure the same probably happens for child support? Not sure on that, though.

NSC
10-31-2009, 12:51 PM
It's a shame he didn't fight for them before Somer was killed.

Yes, I would VERY much like to know the circumstances. Obviously, dad was in iraq as he sustained injuries while over there. I would just like to know for how long and could he do anything about getting his kids while deployed? And who would be able to take care of them if he was injured. All questions I would love answered. It would be able to give myself a more firm opinon right now the jury has not ruled IMO.

Kewpiedoll
10-31-2009, 12:52 PM
Have I missed something? Why is he trying to take the other children from her to protect them? Somer was taken walking home from school because the Mother was at work trying to support them. Why is she now a bad Mother? There are tons of working Mothers in this Country and there are lots of children that walk home and even stay alone until their parents get there.

I haven't heard if he is legally trying to get his children. His emotional interview about wanting to take them home with him, was probably a first instinct thought/feeling. IDK

I'm not accusing her of being a bad Mother all the time, however I do question her character and the lifestyle she is living.

My first concern is the fact she has been aware of Somer not returning on time with the other children for quite some time now. Hence- the friends and phone numbers for the babysitter to track Somer down. Why is ANYONE even tracking down a 7yr old in the first place...??

I'm not going to keep on keeping on about her-- it will all come to light soon enough, and I hope this killer is NOT someone that she knew, or had in her home that were friends of the new live in B/F.

doggies
10-31-2009, 01:01 PM
I don't know about the military but I know that child support isn't usually set until the divorce is final.
IF it's filed for, there can be a 'separate maintenance' order. Now the question is, did she file for one? If she dislikes him so intently, it may be that she didn't want anything to do with him, including his money.
If that's the case, however, and if there has not been any support from him,
hmm...how DO we know that?
If Diena didn't request it and make sure it was paid, then she has no grounds to complain about it. Right?

Noway
10-31-2009, 01:03 PM
His service in the U.S. Army included a tour of duty in Iraq, where he was injured by being thrown from a truck.


Source: http://www.thetimesnews.com/news/florida-29006-bodycopy-daughter.html

MCDRAW
10-31-2009, 01:03 PM
There is often temporary alimony set early in the divorce process, so I'm sure the same probably happens for child support? Not sure on that, though.


I have brothers that have gotten a divorce so I only know about my state.

Noway
10-31-2009, 01:04 PM
Getting evil eye from husband ... with that "Are you on the computer AGAIN" look! Must appear to be getting ready to go to basketball game.

CountryGirl
10-31-2009, 01:08 PM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=116417

Thompson is an Iraq war veteran and is wheelchair bound from an incident in Iraq in 2003. (I thought it was from a recent accident?)

Sam said he is estranged from Diena, and added the last time he spoke to Somer was two months ago.

However, the last time he saw Somer was two years ago during a trip to the beach.

(About the fund's purpose)
Sam Thompson also has a benefit fund. He says the fund will help pay for visits to Jacksonville from his home in North Carolina.

not_my_kids
10-31-2009, 01:10 PM
I was so hoping for new info...like an arrest and full confession. No such luck.

I'm here, but only half so until later. I have to update this years list of sex offender houses for trick or treat. I prefer they don't even see my kids, let alone having them knock on a perverts door.

violet67
10-31-2009, 01:15 PM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=116417

Thompson is an Iraq war veteran and is wheelchair bound from an incident in Iraq in 2003. (I thought it was from a recent accident?)

Sam said he is estranged from Diena, and added the last time he spoke to Somer was two months ago.

However, the last time he saw Somer was two years ago during a trip to the beach.

(About the fund's purpose)
Sam Thompson also has a benefit fund. He says the fund will help pay for visits to Jacksonville from his home in North Carolina.

i also thought that his injuries were from a recent car accident

Kateyes
10-31-2009, 01:15 PM
It's interesting to hear you say that about Somer's father....cause on a similar note, I think I kind gained unwelcome notaritity on this thread by posting suspicions of Somer's Mom and her dry eyed crys and wails, and her seemingly, unlimited amount of time to spend in front of the TV cameras. I also noted that it bugged the heck out of me that on day 2 or 3 she was in front of the cameras YET again, and one of the first things out of her mouth was thanking the public for monetary donations. WRONG on so many levels.......

I've got a theory that I may as just well spout off....since I've alienated some already by critizing Somer's Mom.

Is it possible that Somer was killed by her own 2 siblings and that would explain mom's on air weirdo demeanor? Cause she KNOWS!!!?
Is that bad of me to think that?

Anyone?

Ripley 007 - I do not think it is bad of you to wonder about that possibiity. There is so little we know about what really happened to Somer that I think anything is possible. Stranger things have happened than your speculation, for sure. I do agree with you on some points re: DT's actions, attitudes, etc. but I have also realize everyone is different with reaction to grief. I do not believe that children as young as Somer and her siblings should be walking one mile or so to and from school every day. I do wonder how well the children were really watched - especially since it was reported by the one babysitter that Somer had been known to wander before coming home. It is hard to keep focused on children in the best of circumstances, but IIRC DT had 3 0r 4 marriages, and was in the process of divorcing Somer's Dad. Dealing with those kinds of circumstances take time and that means it takes time away from being with the children. I have been trying to not be judgmental, and heavens knows there are children out there whose parents spend little or no time with them and nothing every happens to them.

But, I digress somewhat. Back to your train of thought - I think anything is a possibility as to what happened to Somer. One need only think of Elizabeth Olten who disappeared at the same time - a 15 year old girl is in custody for her murder. So, yes, even her own siblings could have somehow contributed to her death - purposely or accidentally. Until some concrete evidence leads to a definite suspect all theories should be investigated by LE, IMO.

MCDRAW
10-31-2009, 01:16 PM
I haven't heard if he is legally trying to get his children. His emotional interview about wanting to take them home with him, was probably a first instinct thought/feeling. IDK

I'm not accusing her of being a bad Mother all the time, however I do question her character and the lifestyle she is living.

My first concern is the fact she has been aware of Somer not returning on time with the other children for quite some time now. Hence- the friends and phone numbers for the babysitter to track Somer down. Why is ANYONE even tracking down a 7yr old in the first place...??

I'm not going to keep on keeping on about her-- it will all come to light soon enough, and I hope this killer is NOT someone that she knew, or had in her home that were friends of the new live in B/F.


On the issue of Somer not returning home on time, the Mom may have gotten on to her, grounded her, we don't know. Somer also knew her Mom was at work so she could do what she wanted. We don't know what was done to try and stop this behavior. I know what I would have done but I am a stay at home Mom, I don't have to worry about supporting my family. As far as the Dad, we don't know anything about him or his relationship with his children. Except, that he hasn't been in contact with them. We don't know if that was his choice or not but I am thinking he could have called the children after school before the mom got home had he really wanted to contact them. JMO

not_my_kids
10-31-2009, 01:16 PM
Could father's injuries be both? War injury that was partially healed, then exacerbated by the car wreck? Just thinking out loud.

Noway
10-31-2009, 01:16 PM
He could have required more than one surgery (if being thrown from the truck was the 2003 accident).

I read that he'd had knee surgery and had pins in his leg.

It could be that custody was granted to DT because he was physically unable to care for the children (they had lived with him in 2006).

If we had more police-related documents, there might be interviews in which these details were discussed.

New1
10-31-2009, 01:17 PM
I ask the same question! Why does he have his own fund set up?:furious:
He never could help with the children before, or pay child support:furious:

It may be just a rumor or a flat out lie about him not paying child support because if he was in the military, all she had to do was contact his CO and he would have been MADE to pay child support. He said he had just returned from Iraq, so I'm guessing he is in the military. Although it could be that he was over there working as a civilian contractor. If he was in the military, kids would have ID cards and health benefits, etc. - don't know if they did or not. However, if he was in Iraq working as a civilian contractor, that might explain why he had not seen his daughter in 2 years. Civilians can stay longer than a military person's tour of duty. Whose word do we have that he did not pay child support? Where did that come from?

Noway
10-31-2009, 01:18 PM
i also thought that his injuries were from a recent car accident (but what do I know)

No, I found that too.

Sam Thompson is recovering from a car accident and is not well enough to travel to Florida to search for the missing Florida girl - his daughter, Somer Thompson.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2310019/a_missing_florida_girl_somer_thompson.html?cat=9
Which is why the media is not a reliable source.

It's all we have, but we can't necessarily take it as fact.

ETA: It's why I explain that my Who Who's is based on media reports and give the source link whenever I can. What I post one day changes the next with a new media story.

CarmelEyesD
10-31-2009, 01:23 PM
It's interesting to hear you say that about Somer's father....cause on a similar note, I think I kind gained unwelcome notaritity on this thread by posting suspicions of Somer's Mom and her dry eyed crys and wails, and her seemingly, unlimited amount of time to spend in front of the TV cameras. I also noted that it bugged the heck out of me that on day 2 or 3 she was in front of the cameras YET again, and one of the first things out of her mouth was thanking the public for monetary donations. WRONG on so many levels.......

I've got a theory that I may as just well spout off....since I've alienated some already by critizing Somer's Mom.

Is it possible that Somer was killed by her own 2 siblings and that would explain mom's on air weirdo demeanor? Cause she KNOWS!!!?
Is that bad of me to think that?

Anyone?
I just don't see two young children-they were 9 and 11?-being able to kill Somer, hide her or put her in a dumpster and NOT leave any sign of it-trace evidence, blood, whatever behind. I am sure those dumpsters near where she disappeared were checked early on-I get the feeling Somer was put in one 'later'. But there would surely be evidence on the children and in the crime scene location they would have picked up. I also get the impression the LE have a good idea WHO did it, they just don't know where he is. I was wondering if he left a symbol, a sign, a mark-for them to be suggestive it is an older offender who has resurfaced. Dad also said Somer would have fought hard, so odds are good they have some DNA from the perp. JMO.
Mom has alibi verified from work, and Dad was 2 hours away.

marynice
10-31-2009, 01:24 PM
He was injured in Iraq but he broke his leg in an accident after coming home from Iraq.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/29/ng.01.html
S. THOMPSON: At that moment, you describe the fear and panic that hits you right away. And I`m in a wheelchair. I`ve got a broken leg. I was in a car accident a month ago.

GRACE: And this is after you come home from Iraq, right?

S. THOMPSON: This is after I`ve come home from Iraq. And I`ve been -- I`ve had a lot of doctor`s appointments with the VA for the past two years trying to get my disability. And, you know, trying to make a better life for my children after this. But you know I felt helpless because I wanted to run and grab -- and find her myself.

Ripley007
10-31-2009, 01:26 PM
personally, just from seeing Dad on Nancy Grace...I never got any bad vibes from him. But I was DEEPLY DISTURBED yet AGAIN by Mom, when NG asked Dad how he learned Somer was missing, and he told her about receiving a notification phone call from LE. Is it just me or is that messed-up!?? I don't know or care what their relationship was like...they were co-parents and MOM should have been the one to call him to explain Somer was Missing imho...............

Noway
10-31-2009, 01:26 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=240&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/091027111120_102709_SamThompson.JPG

Thompson is an Iraq war veteran and is wheelchair bound from an incident in Iraq in 2003. He said nothing could have stopped him from traveling to Orange Park.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=116417

2curious
10-31-2009, 01:27 PM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=116417

Thompson is an Iraq war veteran and is wheelchair bound from an incident in Iraq in 2003. (I thought it was from a recent accident?)
Sam said he is estranged from Diena, and added the last time he spoke to Somer was two months ago.

However, the last time he saw Somer was two years ago during a trip to the beach.

(About the fund's purpose)
Sam Thompson also has a benefit fund. He says the fund will help pay for visits to Jacksonville from his home in North Carolina.

Sorry to cause such a mess about this.
I thought that early on, before Somer was found, his sister stated that he was in a wheelchair due to a recent automobile accident. Maybe I'm mistaken, maybe I've been listening and looking too much!:waitasec:

Noway
10-31-2009, 01:28 PM
Somer's brothers are ST, 7 (twin) and AC, 13 (half-brother); her sister AT is 10. (I have also seen the half-brother's age reported as 14 ...)

If you believe they did it, do you also believe they sexually assaulted her?

NSC
10-31-2009, 01:29 PM
Getting evil eye from husband ... with that "Are you on the computer AGAIN" look! Must appear to be getting ready to go to basketball game.

Who isn't getting evil eye from our DH's ;) :)

violet67
10-31-2009, 01:31 PM
I just don't see two young children-they were 9 and 11?-being able to kill Somer, hide her or put her in a dumpster and NOT leave any sign of it-trace evidence, blood, whatever behind. I am sure those dumpsters near where she disappeared were checked early on-I get the feeling Somer was put in one 'later'. But there would surely be evidence on the children and in the crime scene location they would have picked up. I also get the impression the LE have a good idea WHO did it, they just don't know where he is. I was wondering if he left a symbol, a sign, a mark-for them to be suggestive it is an older offender who has resurfaced. Dad also said Somer would have fought hard, so odds are good they have some DNA from the perp. JMO.
Mom has alibi verified from work, and Dad was 2 hours away.

not to nitpick here but somer had a 10 yearold sister and a 13 yearold brother

MCDRAW
10-31-2009, 01:31 PM
personally, just from seeing Dad on Nancy Grace...I never got any bad vibes from him. But I was DEEPLY DISTURBED yet AGAIN by Mom, when NG asked Dad how he learned Somer was missing, and he told her about receiving a notification phone call from LE. Is it just me or is that messed-up!?? I don't know or care what their relationship was like...they were co-parents and MOM should have been the one to call him to explain Somer was Missing imho...............


Once I realized that one of my children were taken, I am not sure I would have been able to contact anyone. It doesn't appear that they were co-parenting since he hasn't seen the children for two years for whatever reason. I know the Susan Smith's of this world has made people watch and judge grieving parents but I still don't like it. No one knows how they would act in DT's shoes. People can think how they would act but they don't know and I hope they never find out.

NSC
10-31-2009, 01:31 PM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=116417

Thompson is an Iraq war veteran and is wheelchair bound from an incident in Iraq in 2003. (I thought it was from a recent accident?)

Sam said he is estranged from Diena, and added the last time he spoke to Somer was two months ago.

However, the last time he saw Somer was two years ago during a trip to the beach.

(About the fund's purpose)
Sam Thompson also has a benefit fund. He says the fund will help pay for visits to Jacksonville from his home in North Carolina.

BBM, if it turns out mom left him due to him be crippled, well that will just completley seal the deal for me.

Noway
10-31-2009, 01:32 PM
Sorry to cause such a mess about this.
I thought that early on, before Somer was found, his sister stated that he was in a wheelchair due to a recent automobile accident. Maybe I'm mistaken, maybe I've been listening and looking too much!:waitasec:

My point with the posting of these articles is that there are multiple stories out there.

Until we see sworn statements from these people, which we could accept as fact (or they purjured themselves), I think we just go with what we read and be ready to accept that someone else read something different ... and ask nicely for a link!

While some sources may be more credible than others, it is always possible that the credible source has details mixed up.

ETA: Bold, red above

And then Marynice posts this!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../29/ng.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/29/ng.01.html)
S. THOMPSON: At that moment, you describe the fear and panic that hits you right away. And I`m in a wheelchair. I`ve got a broken leg. I was in a car accident a month ago.

GRACE: And this is after you come home from Iraq, right?

S. THOMPSON: This is after I`ve come home from Iraq. And I`ve been -- I`ve had a lot of doctor`s appointments with the VA for the past two years trying to get my disability. And, you know, trying to make a better life for my children after this. But you know I felt helpless because I wanted to run and grab -- and find her myself.
Which I will add to the Who's Who when I return from the day's activities. :) Happy Halloween, everyone!

2curious
10-31-2009, 01:33 PM
:dance:No, I found that too.

Which is why the media is not a reliable source.

It's all we have, but we can't necessarily take it as fact.

ETA: It's why I explain that my Who Who's is based on media reports and give the source link whenever I can. What I post one day changes the next with a new media story.


THANK YOU! maybe i'm not loosing it after all.

MCDRAW
10-31-2009, 01:38 PM
BBM, if it turns out mom left him due to him be crippled, well that will just completley seal the deal for me.


It would certainly make me not like or think much of her as a person. But I also know when my dad was dying from cancer sometimes he was very mean to my mom. I believe it was because she would sometimes have to clean him up and he felt he was losing his dignity. But there finally came a time when she left him, just for a couple of days, but it was enough for him to stop being so mean.

KaW
10-31-2009, 01:39 PM
Help! I know nothing about myspace.

How does a person change their myspace pic without signing in to their account? DT signed in on the 24th (it still shows the 24th) and her user pic (or whatever it's called) had 3 females in it. I KNOW there were 3, I saw it either early this morning or last night. Well, I just looked again because I'm waiting to see if she changes her mood, which she hasn't, but her pic has changed! There are only 2 females there now. So how do you do that if your login date doesn't change? :confused:
And I do believe she's the one missing from the pic.

2curious
10-31-2009, 01:39 PM
This BRJ really caught my attention. I checked a little and found he has a couple of aliases - spelling mainly - BriXX, BryXX and intials BRJ, BJJ.
Also he is from Maryland, several addresses there.
Convicted in 1986, child abuse & more, see:
http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquiryDetail.jis?caseId=03K86000487&loc=55&detailLoc=K

ShadowGal
10-31-2009, 01:40 PM
Who isn't getting evil eye from our DH's ;) :)

*snort* lol...I'm off to get some cleaning and laundry done before he gets home and sees I've been parked at the pc most of the day

Will check in throughout the day...Happy Halloween folks. Be safe!!!!

NSC
10-31-2009, 01:40 PM
Help! I know nothing about myspace.

How does a person change their myspace pic without signing in to their account? DT signed in on the 24th (it still shows the 24th) and her user pic (or whatever it's called) had 3 females in it. I KNOW there were 3, I saw it either early this morning or last night. Well, I just looked again because I'm waiting to see if she changes her mood, which she hasn't, but her pic has changed! There are only 2 females there now. So how do you do that if your login date doesn't change? :confused:
And I do believe she's the one missing from the pic.

I saw this too - you are not loosing your mind ;) Funny, no RIP no pic of Somer. JMO

Ripley007
10-31-2009, 01:41 PM
Somer's brothers are ST, 7 (twin) and AC, 13 (half-brother); her sister AT is 10. (I have also seen the half-brother's age reported as 14 ...)

If you believe they did it, do you also believe they sexually assaulted her?

I'm unaware that Somer was sexually assaulted. Do you know something I don't? And if she was, then I take it back, NO, I wouldn't think her siblings capable of that. I'm thinking more along the lines of them all deciding to "play" in the burned-out house and Somer acceidently dying, them panicking and throwing her in the garbarge, or due to rough play, killing her.....etc.....
I am aware that you all have been doing some fabulous sleuthing this week, whereas I only know what I know from HLN veiwing. My goal this weekend is to go through these threads and news links and catch up.
Could have sworn that I read here that Somer was found fully clothed, thereby making a sexual assault less likey. But, I dunno.....
I thought LE was being very tight-lipped about it all.

not_my_kids
10-31-2009, 01:42 PM
personally, just from seeing Dad on Nancy Grace...I never got any bad vibes from him. But I was DEEPLY DISTURBED yet AGAIN by Mom, when NG asked Dad how he learned Somer was missing, and he told her about receiving a notification phone call from LE. Is it just me or is that messed-up!?? I don't know or care what their relationship was like...they were co-parents and MOM should have been the one to call him to explain Somer was Missing imho...............

In most cases, if there is a non custodial parent, they are the main suspect right off the bat, until they can be cleared. LE may not have allowed her to call him, they might have told her that it is SOP for them to make the notification...which it is.

NSC
10-31-2009, 01:43 PM
It would certainly make me not like or think much of her as a person. But I also know when my dad was dying from cancer sometimes he was very mean to my mom. I believe it was because she would sometimes have to clean him up and he felt he was losing his dignity. But there finally came a time when she left him, just for a couple of days, but it was enough for him to stop being so mean.

Obviously, this is NOT the ONLY thing. It is a cherry onto of what I have seen with my own eyes. And I don't like it one bit :furious:

Just thinking outloud, trying to work on the dad scenario here, he might be on disability. Do they pay child support on disability?

Also, I belive they have been seperated for awhile.. Not sure how long divorce proceedings going on, gonna check on that. But makes me wonder if it has been awhile... :waitasec:

Also, on another note. I wanted to see who owned their residence and it does not even exist in the property records. Thought that was hinky.

Ripley007
10-31-2009, 01:44 PM
See, I've been trying to reconcile in my own brain, Mom's bizzare (to me) behavior. Hit me like a ton of bricks. What IF her sibs did it? Can you imagine not only losing 1 child, but then possibly losing 2 more because of it?.....IF that was the case, I'd cut this woman all the slack in the world........

MCDRAW
10-31-2009, 01:45 PM
I'm unaware that Somer was sexually assaulted. Do you know something I don't? And if she was, then I take it back, NO, I wouldn't think her siblings capable of that. I'm thinking more along the lines of them all deciding to "play" in the burned-out house and Somer acceidently dying, them panicking and throwing her in the garbarge, or due to rough play, killing her.....etc.....
I am aware that you all have been doing some fabulous sleuthing this week, whereas I only know what I know from HLN veiwing. My goal this weekend is to go through these threads and news links and catch up.
Could have sworn that I read here that Somer was found fully clothed, thereby making a sexual assault less likey. But, I dunno.....
I thought LE was being very tight-lipped about it all.


I thought the 10 year old and the twin came home on time. I dont think they had time to play. I have a 10 year old and even with help she couldn't lift 65 pounds high enough to get her in a dumpster.

MCDRAW
10-31-2009, 01:55 PM
Obviously, this is NOT the ONLY thing. It is a cherry onto of what I have seen with my own eyes. And I don't like it one bit :furious:

Just thinking outloud, trying to work on the dad scenario here, he might be on disability. Do they pay child support on disability?

Also, I belive they have been seperated for awhile.. Not sure how long divorce proceedings going on, gonna check on that. But makes me wonder if it has been awhile... :waitasec:

Also, on another note. I wanted to see who owned their residence and it does not even exist in the property records. Thought that was hinky.


I try hard not to judge parents because I know I make a thousand different decisions with my children and who knows if they are right. I am having a hard time with the father having not seen his children in the last two years and not having talked to Somer in the last two months. I had a Dad that walked away so those are my issues. But I am trying hard not to judge him. I just want the killer caught so he can't kill another child again.

violet67
10-31-2009, 01:55 PM
BBM, if it turns out mom left him due to him be crippled, well that will just completley seal the deal for me.

its funny how we as armchair detectives can get such different reads on peoples actions when we just have media reports to go by (ok and some sleuthing) i guess i can somehow have a lot of empathy for DT because in some ways i have walked some miles in her shoes and i can understand a bit where she is coming from (yes i know that she has probably made some bad choices along the way)...when i see somers dad there is something about his subtle (IMO carefully worded and staged) implicit humility that just sets me off...i am so hoping that something breaks in this case that will exonorate all the family...my heart just breaks for whatever horror that poor little girl has gone through...i am feeling that there is going to be some very ugly accusations flying around

NSC
10-31-2009, 01:56 PM
I thought the 10 year old and the twin came home on time. I dont think they had time to play. I have a 10 year old and even with help she couldn't lift 65 pounds high enough to get her in a dumpster.

I don't think this is the case, the siblings. But yes what a awful nightmare. I don't see the youngest kids involved.

I am NOT blaming the 13 y/o who is as large enough to be a 16 y/o, IMO. However, here is a theory.

Mom obviously likes to party, posts this stuff on public sites like myspace (raunchy, IMO), moves from man to man. Remember the 13 y/o is from her 2nd marriage. She has two boyfriends since Sammy (so it has been said on WS) now living with the 3rd. Trust me kids pick up on their parents behavior. Monkey see monkey do. Also, if behavior that is exhibted that in the sexual nature, by nature kids are more intune to be curious by this. Lots of discord, bad relationship with ex-husband (obviously) whether warranted or not that will be remain to be seen. Mom has anger toward ex - obviously - monkey see monkey do. JMO and a theory. Anyway, not going to continue but maybe you catch my drift??? there is ALOT we don't know.

I really hate to write these things. But if we didn't challenge one another we gonna get nowhere.

I, personally apologize to you Ripley because everyone was hard on you when discussing mom way back in the threads... You didn't change my mind but I did change my own my from looking at certain evidence as to how lifestyle could have contributed to this tragedy.

Last, REMEMBER BSU said to look at brain FARTS? Well, I have now picked up on plenty.

amysmom
10-31-2009, 01:56 PM
Yes, I would VERY much like to know the circumstances. Obviously, dad was in iraq as he sustained injuries while over there. I would just like to know for how long and could he do anything about getting his kids while deployed? And who would be able to take care of them if he was injured. All questions I would love answered. It would be able to give myself a more firm opinon right now the jury has not ruled IMO.

bbm

I heard him say he's been waiting a long time for disability $$$..Military or car accident or both? dk

No offense to fl peeps but I don't blame him for wanting to take kids away from there.

I see more good in him then mom..May be wrong (dk) but for now I am sticking with it.

Kewpiedoll
10-31-2009, 01:59 PM
See, I've been trying to reconcile in my own brain, Mom's bizzare (to me) behavior. Hit me like a ton of bricks. What IF her sibs did it? Can you imagine not only losing 1 child, but then possibly losing 2 more because of it?.....IF that was the case, I'd cut this woman all the slack in the world........

I would go more along the lines of the 13yr old that does NOT live with her. AND take it a step further with why was she picking him up at OPAA?
Extremely close to the burn house, and the exact parking lot she ended up in with the LE officer she waved down. She starts talking about this on the video clip that blacks out and has the sound off.

NSC
10-31-2009, 02:01 PM
I try hard not to judge parents because I know I make a thousand different decisions with my children and who knows if they are right. I am having a hard time with the father having not seen his children in the last two years and not having talked to Somer in the last two months. I had a Dad that walked away so those are my issues. But I am trying hard not to judge him. I just want the killer caught so he can't kill another child again.

I hear where you are coming from. I am opposite. We have this WITCH my cousin married. Stole custody from father of her bio child by blackmailing and making false allegations against him. -TOTALLY lied to our entire family about her backround, boy I almost fainted when I heard about what she was REALLY up to- I recently sleuthed this all out, btw. I really think she is Satan. Anyway, did the same thing to his bio girls mom(whom I LOVE dearly but even cut her out because I started to believe the lies). Harrassed her to digusting lenghths to the point she couldn't take it anymore. Those bio parents were stolen the rights to their child. Anyway, I just rescued kids this past spring who were put into domestic slavery :furious: yes, serious over here. So, I guess because I can see the ugliness and lies some people on the female side, I could see this here.

I am not placing blame on mom, I am just REALLY skeptical of people she surrounded herself and her children with. And the whole thing is tragic no matter what.

Kewpiedoll
10-31-2009, 02:06 PM
I don't think this is the case, the siblings. But yes what a awful nightmare. I don't see the youngest kids involved.

I am NOT blaming the 13 y/o who is as large enough to be a 16 y/o, IMO. However, here is a theory.

Mom obviously likes to party, posts this stuff on public sites like myspace (raunchy, IMO), moves from man to man. Remember the 13 y/o is from her 2nd marriage. She has two boyfriends since Sammy (so it has been said on WS) now living with the 3rd. Trust me kids pick up on their parents behavior. Monkey see monkey do. Also, if behavior that is exhibted that in the sexual nature, by nature kids are more intune to be curious by this. Lots of discord, bad relationship with ex-husband (obviously) whether warranted or not that will be remain to be seen. Mom has anger toward ex - obviously - monkey see monkey do. JMO and a theory. Anyway, not going to continue but maybe you catch my drift??? there is ALOT we don't know.

I really hate to write these things. But if we didn't challenge one another we gonna get nowhere.

I, personally apologize to you Ripley because everyone was hard on you when discussing mom way back in the threads... You didn't change my mind but I did change my own my from looking at certain evidence as to how lifestyle could have contributed to this tragedy.

Last, REMEMBER BSU said to look at brain FARTS? Well, I have now picked up on plenty.

Proudly presenting the fact she joined potsocietyonline tells me 'drugs'.
Proudly presenting B/F is into porn-- well that is self explanatory.

What have her children been exposed to? I'm sure laying pretty low right now, however prior to Somer I have to wonder.

I still go back to the neighbor stating-- look in the trash, and leave it at that? WTH -- she was sending a message and I think it could have been all the booze maybe? The neighbors know a lot and so far pretty quiet, other than that comment.

IDK-- but I'm not feeling all warm and fuzzy about all the strangers in and out of that house. New B/F and old B/F and their friends...???

CountryGirl
10-31-2009, 02:10 PM
I didn't realize that Somer's father was only two hours away!

Was he just recently home from Iraq?

MCDRAW
10-31-2009, 02:17 PM
I hear where you are coming from. I am opposite. We have this WITCH my cousin married. Stole custody from father of her bio child by blackmailing and making false allegations against him. -TOTALLY lied to our entire family about her backround, boy I almost fainted when I heard about what she was REALLY up to- I recently sleuthed this all out, btw. I really think she is Satan. Anyway, did the same thing to his bio girls mom(whom I LOVE dearly but even cut her out because I started to believe the lies). Harrassed her to digusting lenghths to the point she couldn't take it anymore. Those bio parents were stolen the rights to their child. Anyway, I just rescued kids this past spring who were put into domestic slavery :furious: yes, serious over here. So, I guess because I can see the ugliness and lies some people on the female side, I could see this here.

I am not placing blame on mom, I am just REALLY skeptical of people she surrounded herself and her children with. And the whole thing is tragic no matter what.


Believe me I know all about evil women. My brother picked him a couple of winners. One of which doesn't let him or my family see his children. Then she will decide we can, then we can't. The other one who I hate with a passion wasn't satisfied until she broke up my other brother's marriage. So I know the evil that can be done with no thought to the chidren. My problem is the father could have made some effort (which he may have and I haven't heard) to see his children. Again, this is my pet peeve and I am trying hard not to judge him.

Ripley007
10-31-2009, 02:18 PM
I don't think this is the case, the siblings. But yes what a awful nightmare. I don't see the youngest kids involved.

I am NOT blaming the 13 y/o who is as large enough to be a 16 y/o, IMO. However, here is a theory.

Mom obviously likes to party, posts this stuff on public sites like myspace (raunchy, IMO), moves from man to man. Remember the 13 y/o is from her 2nd marriage. She has two boyfriends since Sammy (so it has been said on WS) now living with the 3rd. Trust me kids pick up on their parents behavior. Monkey see monkey do. Also, if behavior that is exhibted that in the sexual nature, by nature kids are more intune to be curious by this. Lots of discord, bad relationship with ex-husband (obviously) whether warranted or not that will be remain to be seen. Mom has anger toward ex - obviously - monkey see monkey do. JMO and a theory. Anyway, not going to continue but maybe you catch my drift??? there is ALOT we don't know.

I really hate to write these things. But if we didn't challenge one another we gonna get nowhere.

I, personally apologize to you Ripley because everyone was hard on you when discussing mom way back in the threads... You didn't change my mind but I did change my own my from looking at certain evidence as to how lifestyle could have contributed to this tragedy.

Last, REMEMBER BSU said to look at brain FARTS? Well, I have now picked up on plenty.

aww....no worries! BELIEVE ME, I've been a memeber here long enough to know EXACTALLY what I was getting myself into by posting doubts about Mom. My feelings were (are) so super strong though, I couldn't help myself. I honestly didn't CARE what anyone thought. Plus, as stated, in other cases, dry-eyed wailing mothers has been a huge red-flag, and rightly so. So it seemed hypocrytical to me that everyone was seeing her as "strong", etc.....it all remains to be seen......God I hope I'm wrong about the siblings. But, it would explain Mom's behavoir. I'd never wish my worst enemy to walk a mile in her shoes....and if her other children were responsible.......I don't even know what to say......I'd feel compelled to drive to Florida and personally hug her and hold her hand and apologize for judging her....

RR0004
10-31-2009, 02:20 PM
I have brothers that have gotten a divorce so I only know about my state.
I would imagine that it is state by state. Even "emergency" support (pendente lite) can take a long time to get.

Dee10
10-31-2009, 02:22 PM
OKAY, how much money does this family really need for expenses? I think these fundraisers for missing children's families is getting way out of hand and setting a dangerous precedence. Wasn't the funeral donated? Yes, she will be off work for awhile & they all should have counseling. IDK but wouldn't $8,000 cover out-of-pocket expenses? They had already collected $13,000.00 before the funeral.

Check out the fundraising events all the way upto Nov. 22. I never hear about these victims families giving money to Crimestoppers or increasing the rewards for info. I think this has really gotten out of hand, especially when it is 3 1/2 times more likely it is a family member. And don't get me started on the Anthony's or Cumming's Sheesh!

Fundraising events continue for Somer Thompson
http://www.claytodayonline.com/content/1674_1.php
:rant:

not_my_kids
10-31-2009, 02:36 PM
OKAY, how much money does this family really need for expenses? I think these fundraisers for missing children's families is getting way out of hand and setting a dangerous precedence. Wasn't the funeral donated? Yes, she will be off work for awhile & they all should have counseling. IDK but wouldn't $8,000 cover out-of-pocket expenses? They had already collected $13,000.00 before the funeral.

Check out the fundraising events all the way upto Nov. 22. I never hear about these victims families giving money to Crimestoppers or increasing the rewards for info. I think this has really gotten out of hand, especially when it is 3 1/2 times more likely it is a family member. And don't get me started on the Anthony's or Cumming's Sheesh!

Fundraising events continue for Somer Thompson
http://www.claytodayonline.com/content/1674_1.php
:rant:

The fundraising events are more common in close knit communities. It's the modern version of bring a casserole and hold death watch. It's as much for the community to feel they helped their own healing, as it is for the family of the the missing/dead person. IMO.

MBLover
10-31-2009, 02:39 PM
Have had time to read each and every post today - but something did catch my eye. If this has been addressed please overlook and move on

Regarding Child Support / Disability

Child support stops and disability takes over for the child as well. Each child of the disabled person received a check from social security until they are 18 or until they have finished school (which I believe includes college).

2curious
10-31-2009, 02:41 PM
I mention this before, but no response -

Did anyone check this out:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=6293

This guy really caught my attention, with the bruising and all. So I did a little checking. He also has a few aliases, mainly spelling - Bri__ & Bry__, also different initials - BRJ, BJJ. He has had several previous addresses in Maryland so I checked there.

He was convicted in 1986 for child abuse, sexual assault and more see:
http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/processDisclaimer.jis

Look at the bruising on his current picture, date of picture 10/27/09.

LE said sometimes there is years between crimes by perps.

NSC
10-31-2009, 02:44 PM
Have had time to read each and every post today - but something did catch my eye. If this has been addressed please overlook and move on

Regarding Child Support / Disability

Child support stops and disability takes over for the child as well. Each child of the disabled person received a check from social security until they are 18 or until they have finished school (which I believe includes college).

DUH DUH DUH - this happend to my own father and my parents received disability checks for the kids under 18!!!!!! *slaps myself*

New1
10-31-2009, 02:46 PM
I would go more along the lines of the 13yr old that does NOT live with her. AND take it a step further with why was she picking him up at OPAA?
Extremely close to the burn house, and the exact parking lot she ended up in with the LE officer she waved down. She starts talking about this on the video clip that blacks out and has the sound off.

I have also had this thought run through my head. I have asked several times if the 13 year old lives with her or not and nobody can or will say for sure. I've heard that he does and heard that he does not. If he does not, then it is way strange for her to run pick him up first thing before notifying LE, don't you think? Have him in the car with her when she flagged down the officer so he would not be a suspect? In one of the interviews, the mom seemed to have made it a point to tell what the 13 year old's reaction was to Somer's body being found. I didn't hear anyone ask her about it, she just volunteered that he "punched things" - nothing about the reaction of the younger children. If he "punched things" would that explain scratches or injuries on his hands...if, in fact there were any?

The 13 year old was also near the burned house - in the park where the bathroom was which they searched - I don't want to even think about it, but I have. Now, what does anyone else think?

awakewriter
10-31-2009, 02:47 PM
I don't think the parents are involved, and I don't think it's fair to blame them for a crime someone else committed. Frankly, things like this could happen to any parent, good or bad.

They're victims of a horrendous, heart-breaking crime, IMO.

An unrelated thought: I've seen people quote a neighbor, who said to check the trash. My father uses the phrase "Check the trash" as an idiom. It implies one must be thorough to find the truth.

Salem
10-31-2009, 02:48 PM
I mention this before, but no response -

Did anyone check this out:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=6293

This guy really caught my attention, with the bruising and all. So I did a little checking. He also has a few aliases, mainly spelling - Bri__ & Bry__, also different initials - BRJ, BJJ. He has had several previous addresses in Maryland so I checked there.

He was convicted in 1986 for child abuse, sexual assault and more see:
http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/processDisclaimer.jis

Look at the bruising on his current picture, date of picture 10/27/09.

LE said sometimes there is years between crimes by perps.

This guy was discussed in threads 11 and 12, iirc. I believe Liz brought him over, also with concern about his black eye.

Salem

awakewriter
10-31-2009, 02:51 PM
I mention this before, but no response -

Did anyone check this out:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=6293

This guy really caught my attention, with the bruising and all. So I did a little checking. He also has a few aliases, mainly spelling - Bri__ & Bry__, also different initials - BRJ, BJJ. He has had several previous addresses in Maryland so I checked there.

He was convicted in 1986 for child abuse, sexual assault and more see:
http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/processDisclaimer.jis

Look at the bruising on his current picture, date of picture 10/27/09.

LE said sometimes there is years between crimes by perps.

Why is he confined now, and why did he just update his address, I wonder?

not_my_kids
10-31-2009, 02:58 PM
Most of the stuff about Jones is a thread back, so if anyone has questions and doesn't want to wait, it's back there.

ETA: Sub-forum, we needs one.

Dee10
10-31-2009, 02:58 PM
Why is he confined now, and why did he just update his address, I wonder?

Looks like they are checking out each & every SO & of course if there is any outstanding violations rounding the bas$ards up; so at least that is positive for the sake of other children.

Ripley007
10-31-2009, 03:06 PM
I have also had this thought run through my head. I have asked several times if the 13 year old lives with her or not and nobody can or will say for sure. I've heard that he does and heard that he does not. If he does not, then it is way strange for her to run pick him up first thing before notifying LE, don't you think? Have him in the car with her when she flagged down the officer so he would not be a suspect? In one of the interviews, the mom seemed to have made it a point to tell what the 13 year old's reaction was to Somer's body being found. I didn't hear anyone ask her about it, she just volunteered that he "punched things" - nothing about the reaction of the younger children. If he "punched things" would that explain scratches or injuries on his hands...if, in fact there were any?

The 13 year old was also near the burned house - in the park where the bathroom was which they searched - I don't want to even think about it, but I have. Now, what does anyone else think?

Holy Crap. You are scarring me now. Making my suspicions too real!!! I remember her "he punched things" comment too.......and as a reminder, something I posted about days ago, a reporter asked her how the other kids were handling this (7 yr old twin and sister) she simply stated "I sent them away" and this made NO sense to me at the time. I've never lost a child, but can only imagine if I did, I would want to be around my others, not only for comfort but to personally keep watch over them and their safety.

So, WHO is this 13 year old boy again? Her boyfriends child?

not_my_kids
10-31-2009, 03:07 PM
Holy Crap. You are scarring me now. Making my suspicions too real!!! I remember her "he punched things" comment too.......and as a reminder, something I posted about days ago, a reporter asked her how the other kids were handling this (7 yr old twin and sister) she simply stated "I sent them away" and this made NO sense to me at the time. I've never lost a child, but can only imagine if I did, I would want to be around my others, not only for comfort but to personally keep watch over them and their safety.

So, WHO is this 13 year old boy again? Her boyfriends child?
The thirteen year old is her oldest child. In the coverage from Tuesday night before Somer's body was found, they state who the 13 year old lives with, I believe it is a family member, why is never stated.
I'd link, but I'm doing facepaint.

*~Aimee~*
10-31-2009, 03:11 PM
Have had time to read each and every post today - but something did catch my eye. If this has been addressed please overlook and move on

Regarding Child Support / Disability

Child support stops and disability takes over for the child as well. Each child of the disabled person received a check from social security until they are 18 or until they have finished school (which I believe includes college).

18. not college. My son just got bumped off due to turning 18 a couple years ago. I am on disability now. If it con't he would of went to college but I can't pay for college.

Dee10
10-31-2009, 03:11 PM
Holy Crap. You are scarring me now. Making my suspicions too real!!! I remember her "he punched things" comment too.......and as a reminder, something I posted about days ago, a reporter asked her how the other kids were handling this (7 yr old twin and sister) she simply stated "I sent them away" and this made NO sense to me at the time. I've never lost a child, but can only imagine if I did, I would want to be around my others, not only for comfort but to personally keep watch over them and their safety.

So, WHO is this 13 year old boy again? Her boyfriends child?

IDK who's child he is, but it is certainly something to consider. I agree, if your child has been abducted & you have no idea why or who, I think it would be natural to want your other children by your side...but that is just me. That hit me as very strange.

Wishbone
10-31-2009, 03:12 PM
aww....no worries! BELIEVE ME, I've been a memeber here long enough to know EXACTALLY what I was getting myself into by posting doubts about Mom. My feelings were (are) so super strong though, I couldn't help myself. I honestly didn't CARE what anyone thought. Plus, as stated, in other cases, dry-eyed wailing mothers has been a huge red-flag, and rightly so. So it seemed hypocrytical to me that everyone was seeing her as "strong", etc.....it all remains to be seen......God I hope I'm wrong about the siblings. But, it would explain Mom's behavoir. I'd never wish my worst enemy to walk a mile in her shoes....and if her other children were responsible.......I don't even know what to say......I'd feel compelled to drive to Florida and personally hug her and hold her hand and apologize for judging her....



The mother’s public demeanor is off the way I see it. I know she’s got to be distraught from the loss of her child, but she just seems to enjoy being center stage too much. There’s a lot of crying sounds and sobbing noise, but a lack of tears and way too many odd facial contortions, especially smirks and sneers. Several times I have seen her expressions change like a chameleon from sobbing to actually smiling in an instant. I don’t get it. Plus, when a person really cries and sobs their eyes get really swollen. I know when I have had a bad emotional time and cried my heart out; I barely had slits for eyes. Maybe it’s just me, but if my child had been murdered because I let her walk home from school without an adult present, I don’t know how I could live with myself and I truly doubt I would be making public appearances, I would dig a hole and crawl in it……….

Ripley007
10-31-2009, 03:13 PM
so he's her flesh and blood child? Somer's half-sib brother?
Ohh...see.....her behavoir would make sense. Get out there in front of the cameras and scream about a SO to deflect blame. Oh, this story is going to get more tragic isn't it?

violet67
10-31-2009, 03:25 PM
so he's her flesh and blood child? Somer's half-sib brother?
Ohh...see.....her behavoir would make sense. Get out there in front of the cameras and scream about a SO to deflect blame. Oh, this story is going to get more tragic isn't it?

yes..unfortunately i do believe this story is going to get more tragic...and i will play devil's advocate here - i am not a cryer or should i say i am an inappropriate cryer - cue up some poignant music and suddenly i just well up but as for things in real life - no matter what i feel inside i can't produce those tears - i just cant...so sometimes it is misleading when we see mothers or close relatives that are under some suspicion and we pronounce guilt because their eyes are not swollen - sometimes this weird adrenilin just takes over

Cortne
10-31-2009, 03:26 PM
so he's her flesh and blood child? Somer's half-sib brother?
Ohh...see.....her behavoir would make sense. Get out there in front of the cameras and scream about a SO to deflect blame. Oh, this story is going to get more tragic isn't it?

OMG no way!! Please say it aint so!!

NSC
10-31-2009, 03:26 PM
The thirteen year old is her oldest child. In the coverage from Tuesday night before Somer's body was found, they state who the 13 year old lives with, I believe it is a family member, why is never stated.
I'd link, but I'm doing facepaint.

No, the 13 y/o lives with her. So she states in this video. She also states in this video that Somers father will not be staying with her, then she laughs and smirks.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21360276/

Yes, the 13 y/o is result of 2nd marriage to PC

NSC
10-31-2009, 03:30 PM
Oh yes, something else to add about the video I just posted. See what the Sheriff says about the Nissan. Pretty CONTRADICTING if you ask me. Watch and see if you follow what I am saying.

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 03:31 PM
18. not college. My son just got bumped off due to turning 18 a couple years ago. I am on disability now. If it con't he would of went to college but I can't pay for college.

Your right my DD dad was killed when she was a baby she drew SSI until she was 18. If they quit school or get married before 18 the SSI also stops.

nursebeeme
10-31-2009, 03:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/Sierra1947#p/u/3/XzgorBN3eMc

from the horse's mouth.. PattyG's video interview with Sam. He was wounded a month ago in a car accident

mommya
10-31-2009, 03:37 PM
Oh yes, something else to add about the video I just posted. See what the Sheriff says about the Nissan. Pretty CONTRADICTING if you ask me. Watch and see if you follow what I am saying.

What are you thinking?

mysticrose
10-31-2009, 03:38 PM
No, the 13 y/o lives with her. So she states in this video. She also states in this video that Somers father will not be staying with her, then she laughs and smirks.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21360276/

Yes, the 13 y/o is result of 2nd marriage to PC

Yeah that comment was odd. Just out of the blue her deamenor changed to almost despise of the man. I also felt it was very distasteful that he was not put in the obit for Somer not even a mention. I don't care what kind of relationship you have with an ex that is just unacceptable because his children still love him.
JMHO...

Cortne
10-31-2009, 03:39 PM
Oh yes, something else to add about the video I just posted. See what the Sheriff says about the Nissan. Pretty CONTRADICTING if you ask me. Watch and see if you follow what I am saying.

Please do tell

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 03:42 PM
BBM, You know you bring up a GREAT point!!! I know there were two boyfriends since she left Sam Thompsom. Cajungirl, did you have those names?? I thought you mentioned them. Seems like mother moves pretty swift and quick from man to man. Hey her choice, but not good enviorment for any child!! Wonder if she burned any of them, lived with any of the others? Anyway, could be possible they taking revenge. Shoot, anything is possible in this case but CWG is still my main man.

Not to mention a few of us have found some other girls that have gone missing we think could be connected. In particular another member found this one and it EEKS me out, CWG would be about 20 at the time - Talk about an anniversay killer - LOOK AT THIS ONE:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bishop_kristina.html

PS- welcome back Cajun Girl we missed you yesterday!

Who is CWG?

not_my_kids
10-31-2009, 03:42 PM
Brother's name is in the media, starts with an A. The initial reports were that he didn't live with her, I guess that has now been changed.

I haven't completely cleared the older brother in my own mind, but it's one of those things, he's a minor, we can't dig too far, there's nothing to find even if we did. So, I just leave it at "he's suspicious to me" and then move on. That way it in no way looks like bashing.

violet67
10-31-2009, 03:43 PM
I've got myself (with much help from you all) CONVINCED her brother did it. It would explain everything? I feel sick to my stomach.....
anyone know this boys name? Has he been by her side or "sent away" too???

His first name starts with an A and he has a different last name...if you look at the crankycrankerson pics( in NOWAY's sig) he is in the memorial pics with his mom

knale
10-31-2009, 03:47 PM
Are we really attacking the parents now? I know that it all about the sleuthing, but I just can't stand it when I hear things like, she cried too much, she didn't cry enough, she smiled too easily, Oh, did you hear her laugh?..............and about her being in the attention of the media, raising money to help get the family through all this hell and sending her other children away..........maybe she just doesn't have the emotional strength to give of herself what her other children need right now, could that be? This is all of course JMO.........

Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but I just get a little upset with the "expectations" that are put on a person while they are going through the most tragic thing that will probably ever happen to them........there's just not a book to tell you how to respond and everyone handles themselves differently when faced with tragedy and grief. I personally have experienced a lot of these same accusations and it just beats you down at a time when you need all the strength you can get.

believe09
10-31-2009, 03:47 PM
I have read some of the speculation regarding mom's reaction and whether or not she should keep her children with her or send them away at a time like this-there is no hand book and I think given the media spotlight she is under, it is a practical decision to remove them from it.

I am still missing the links pointing to her as a suspect-help a poster out! TIA....

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 03:52 PM
I don't believe DT had anything to do with this at all.
I think it is a great possible-- that within her cirlce of friends, and her lifestyle that she may have had way too many strangers around the children, none of which she knew were on the darker sides of reality.

I'm lost what about her lifesyle?

NSC
10-31-2009, 04:00 PM
What are you thinking?

Did you watch the video?

I think it is super strange the Sheriff pointed out that the Nissan was located, mentioned people of Hispanic decent, then commented on the INDIVIDUALS involved were located and they don't believe it is connected. Also, said investigators located vehicle and actively investigating it but why not come out and say it was a misunderstanding and it was a concerned LEO. It implies more to the story at that given time. Funny, that it wasn't important enough to find that Nisson before Somer was snatched but they sure looked real hard after the fact. If those individuals were located, they would know off the bat it was a LEO in the blue nissan.

I think the local LE botched that one. And the LE story was a band=aid. Related to somers disappearnce or not, moot point to me. I don't buy the LE story. JMO

NSC
10-31-2009, 04:03 PM
Who is CWG?

Clayton William Graham RSo Abscounded at time of Somers disappearance. He was listed n the police report - later to be told it was a "mistake" sure as *HIT a LOT of mistakes being claimed on this case, JUST SAYING

not_my_kids
10-31-2009, 04:05 PM
Did you watch the video?

I think it is super strange the Sheriff pointed out that the Nissan was located, mentioned people of Hispanic decent, then commented on the INDIVIDUALS involved were located and they don't believe it is connected. Also, said investigators located vehicle and actively investigating it but why not come out and say it was a misunderstanding and it was a concerned LEO. It implies more to the story at that given time. Funny, that it wasn't important enough to find that Nisson before Somer was snatched but they sure looked real hard after the fact. If those individuals were located, they would know off the bat it was a LEO in the blue nissan.

I think the local LE botched that one. And the LE story was a band=aid. Related to somers disappearnce or not, moot point to me. I don't buy the LE story. JMO
Okay, I'm confused. The sheriff does state, eventually, that the people in the car were LE, at least the driver. The woman that stopped to help admits that she never spoke to the people in the car, just a frightened child.
What about this story is so unacceptable? I guess I am really missing something.

NSC
10-31-2009, 04:13 PM
Okay, I'm confused. The sheriff does state, eventually, that the people in the car were LE, at least the driver. The woman that stopped to help admits that she never spoke to the people in the car, just a frightened child.
What about this story is so unacceptable? I guess I am really missing something.



Then later with more questions he has an said in light of things yes could have done PSA balh blah, yeah can't monday morning quaterback it. There will be a logical explanation when we can release the info - they are checking out story. Okay, so IF the blue nissan was already located and IF they believe it not related then WHY didn't they just release that during that line of questioning??


My hands hurt - wish we had one spot for all this stuff :(

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 04:15 PM
i hate to be a brocken record but what about moms lifestyle has people here suspious of her?

not_my_kids
10-31-2009, 04:20 PM
i hate to be a brocken record but what about moms lifestyle has people here suspious of her?

Depending on who you ask, there isn't anything about her reactions, lifestyle or attitude that someone doesn't find suspicious.

Except me, I don't consider her mother to be even a remote possibility.

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 04:27 PM
Depending on who you ask, there isn't anything about her reactions, lifestyle or attitude that someone doesn't find suspicious.

Except me, I don't consider her mother to be even a remote possibility.

I don't think so either I feel sorry for her. I was just wondering where everyone was coming from?

NSC
10-31-2009, 04:29 PM
I don't think so either I feel sorry for her. I was just wondering where everyone was coming from?

I don't think mom has a personal hand in what happend. If you read back in the threads you will see what we have said. Sorry my hands hurt and typing the same thing over and over... I can't do it anymore.

Ms Suzanne
10-31-2009, 04:32 PM
i hate to be a brocken record but what about moms lifestyle has people here suspious of her?
I don't think anyone is suspicious of her.I don't think she had anything to do with her daughters death.I don't think she hung around or associated with any one bad at all.I feel she raised her family very well and the police do not think she is a suspect.That's the wrong track to go down.LE said a sexual predator?I don't think it's anyone the family knew.

not_my_kids
10-31-2009, 04:35 PM
I don't think anyone is suspicious of her.I don't think she had anything to do with her daughters death.I don't think she hung around or associated with any one bad at all.I feel she raised her family very well and the police do not think she is a suspect.That's the wrong track to go down.LE said a sexual predator.I don't think it's anyone the family knew.

Heh! Read back...there are lots of people suspicious of her. If not that she was directly involved, that she allowed Somer to be exposed to dangerous people, and that resulted in Somer being killed.
I don't think it was anyone the family knew well. Might have been someone that they had a passing acquiantance with, but not much more.

alsmom
10-31-2009, 04:38 PM
Your right my DD dad was killed when she was a baby she drew SSI until she was 18. If they quit school or get married before 18 the SSI also stops.


If your unmarried child is still in high school, they receive SS survivor benefits until the age of 19. My daughter had problems after her father died :( and ended up graduating late. She turned 19 in January and graduated in January. She received the benefits up to her 19th birthday.

Your unmarried child will receive benefits until their 18 birthday whether they are in school or not.

dannyodie
10-31-2009, 04:39 PM
Are we really attacking the parents now? I know that it all about the sleuthing, but I just can't stand it when I hear things like, she cried too much, she didn't cry enough, she smiled too easily, Oh, did you hear her laugh?..............and about her being in the attention of the media, raising money to help get the family through all this hell and sending her other children away..........maybe she just doesn't have the emotional strength to give of herself what her other children need right now, could that be? This is all of course JMO.........

Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but I just get a little upset with the "expectations" that are put on a person while they are going through the most tragic thing that will probably ever happen to them........there's just not a book to tell you how to respond and everyone handles themselves differently when faced with tragedy and grief. I personally have experienced a lot of these same accusations and it just beats you down at a time when you need all the strength you can get.

I can't agree with you more on this one, I personally do not believe that either parent has anything at all to do with this, if it turns out later that they do I said it before, I will make a video of me bashing my head on a lamp post and post it on here so...

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 04:39 PM
I think this is the one you're talking about:

OH-Manhunt: Sex Offender On the Run After Police Unearth Bodies At His Home - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90947)


I was reading it last night and then tried to get some sleep - creepy!

they captured him today a little past noon. Thank God

not_my_kids
10-31-2009, 04:40 PM
I can't agree with you more on this one, I personally do not believe that either parent has anything at all to do with this, if it turns out later that they do I said it before, I will make a video of me bashing my head on a lamp post and post it on here so...

Don't feel bad, one more parental murder and they might have to Baker Act me, so smashing your head into a light pole is perfectly acceptable here in my world.

:banghead:

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 04:40 PM
If your unmarried child is still in high school, they receive SS survivor benefits until the age of 19. My daughter had problems after her father died :( and ended up graduating late. She graduated turned 19 in January and graduated in January.

Your unmarried child will receive benefits until their 18 birthday whether they are in school or not.

My DD turned 18 in March grad from hs in May and her SSI stopped after graduation

Ms Suzanne
10-31-2009, 04:41 PM
Heh! Read back...there are lots of people suspicious of her. If not that she was directly involved, that she allowed Somer to be exposed to dangerous people, and that resulted in Somer being killed.
I don't think it was anyone the family knew well. Might have been someone that they had a passing acquiantance with, but not much more.
Ok,well,I'm not and I don't hear of many people that are.I don't think she allowed Somer to be exposed to dangerous people at all.I'm sorry.But I just really don't see that.My heart goes out to her and her family and they are in my prayers.I pray they catch somers killer soon and justice is done for her.

swanniee11
10-31-2009, 04:48 PM
I hve a question regarding where the bathrooms were located. ( i'm sure this was covered already but I forget) is there a play ground near those bathrooms? Soccer/baseball fields etc. While at my son's soccer game I was thinking about the people who clean/take care of the fields. I know that the coaches have a key to open bathrooms while our soccer game is going on and then locks up afterwards, were there any games going on at that time? Even if there were none, who has keys to the bathrooms or shed ( if there is one). Anyway, I may be WAY out there but thought I would bring it up.

WillenFan21
10-31-2009, 04:48 PM
Somer's mother didn't have anything to do with this. Yes I posted the other day I thought it was weird that she smiled after the "We're coming for you" comment but I don't think she had anything to do with this.

When LE found Somer's body it was partially clothed and they are saying she struggled/put up a fight and to look for anyone with scratches on their body. We have seen Somer's mother and father out in public and they don't have a scratch on them. Also I don't know if any of you watched Nancy Grace the other night but the father was on there & if I remember correctly more or less said they collected fluids from Somer so it was def a MAN that did this to Somer. Aslo Somer's father is in a wheelchair there is no way he did this.

A SO or a first time offender did this to Somer not her parents. I understand this is a sleuthing site but her parents are going through hell right now and its the COMMUNITY not Somer's family that are doing the fundraisers. JMO of course.

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 04:50 PM
Somer is so Loved by so many... Bless you Little Sweet Somer...



http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/actionlocal/story/People-travel-miles-to-visit-Somer-memorial/TNkWCndkF0Wdu6RO0qCZUw.cspx




ORANGE PARK, Fla. -- Renee Teague and Jeffrey Thomas went to Somer's neighborhood Friday to light candles in Somer's memory. They drove all the way to Orange Park from Baker County to let Somer's family know they care.

"I feel for this family. My heart just aches with them. I've cried many tears for this family, for this little girl," said Teague.

In the neighborhood, investigators continue checking leads.

2,300 tips have come in, but detectives are staying tight lipped.

People say they understand if it means investigators are getting close to finding the child killer.

"I just want them to catch the monster that has done this to this little girl," said Teague.

Until then, people are praying and sticking together in a community that is keeping Somer's memory in their hearts.

I sent Somer's mom a card yestrday all the way from Missouri I just felt compelled to tell her I am sorry bout her little angel. I don't normally feel like doing that the only other person I ever sent one to was Beth Holloway I think cause Natalee was only a year younger than my DD. But this little Sommer has really touched my heart

dannyodie
10-31-2009, 04:52 PM
The mother’s public demeanor is off the way I see it. I know she’s got to be distraught from the loss of her child, but she just seems to enjoy being center stage too much. There’s a lot of crying sounds and sobbing noise, but a lack of tears and way too many odd facial contortions, especially smirks and sneers. Several times I have seen her expressions change like a chameleon from sobbing to actually smiling in an instant. I don’t get it. Plus, when a person really cries and sobs their eyes get really swollen. I know when I have had a bad emotional time and cried my heart out; I barely had slits for eyes. Maybe it’s just me, but if my child had been murdered because I let her walk home from school without an adult present, I don’t know how I could live with myself and I truly doubt I would be making public appearances, I would dig a hole and crawl in it……….

mmmm just wondering if you were to have a seven yr old daughter disappear how would you react? I mean can you say how for sure what you would be saying and how you would be acting in the face of the media? I can't even begin to say how I would act... I am sorry I don't mean to put this in your face, I have been involved with active searches for missing children and adults and I have seen first hand the hurt that is left on the family of the missing person... jmo..

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 04:54 PM
Somer's mother didn't have anything to do with this. Yes I posted the other day I thought it was weird that she smiled after the "We're coming for you" comment but I don't think she had anything to do with this.

When LE found Somer's body it was partially clothed and they are saying she struggled/put up a fight and to look for anyone with scratches on their body. We have seen Somer's mother and father out in public and they don't have a scratch on them. Also I don't know if any of you watched Nancy Grace the other night but the father was on there & if I remember correctly more or less said they collected fluids from Somer so it was def a MAN that did this to Somer. Aslo Somer's father is in a wheelchair there is no way he did this.

A SO or a first time offender did this to Somer not her parents. I understand this is a sleuthing site but her parents are going through hell right now and its the COMMUNITY not Somer's family that are doing the fundraisers. JMO of course.
I agree everyone makes different facial expressions when they are talking, I think the smirk was saying she will laugh when he is caught and punished for this atrosity he commited to her little girl.

doggies
10-31-2009, 04:58 PM
I don't think this is the case, the siblings. But yes what a awful nightmare. I don't see the youngest kids involved.

I am NOT blaming the 13 y/o who is as large enough to be a 16 y/o, IMO. However, here is a theory.

Mom obviously likes to party, posts this stuff on public sites like myspace (raunchy, IMO), moves from man to man. Remember the 13 y/o is from her 2nd marriage. She has two boyfriends since Sammy (so it has been said on WS) now living with the 3rd. Trust me kids pick up on their parents behavior. Monkey see monkey do. Also, if behavior that is exhibted that in the sexual nature, by nature kids are more intune to be curious by this. Lots of discord, bad relationship with ex-husband (obviously) whether warranted or not that will be remain to be seen. Mom has anger toward ex - obviously - monkey see monkey do. JMO and a theory. Anyway, not going to continue but maybe you catch my drift??? there is ALOT we don't know.

I really hate to write these things. But if we didn't challenge one another we gonna get nowhere.

I, personally apologize to you Ripley because everyone was hard on you when discussing mom way back in the threads... You didn't change my mind but I did change my own my from looking at certain evidence as to how lifestyle could have contributed to this tragedy.

Last, REMEMBER BSU said to look at brain FARTS? Well, I have now picked up on plenty.

You know, I'd sort of not thought of the half-brother, except to say that Somer may have gone over there to borrow his cell phone, or something.
But I dunno. Now I wonder why mom went by the park first thing. . Wondering why she went by to pick him up.
And again-how long has it been since he lived at 'home' and where has he been?
After all the wonderings about Burke (Jon Benet), I don't know why it didn't occur to me, but it didn't.
Catching up, here, slowly but surely. My hubby's taking a nap. No looks :woohoo: at this point in time, anyway.

Dee10
10-31-2009, 05:03 PM
Somer's mother didn't have anything to do with this. Yes I posted the other day I thought it was weird that she smiled after the "We're coming for you" comment but I don't think she had anything to do with this.

When LE found Somer's body it was partially clothed and they are saying she struggled/put up a fight and to look for anyone with scratches on their body. We have seen Somer's mother and father out in public and they don't have a scratch on them. Also I don't know if any of you watched Nancy Grace the other night but the father was on there & if I remember correctly more or less said they collected fluids from Somer so it was def a MAN that did this to Somer. Aslo Somer's father is in a wheelchair there is no way he did this.

A SO or a first time offender did this to Somer not her parents. I understand this is a sleuthing site but her parents are going through hell right now and its the COMMUNITY not Somer's family that are doing the fundraisers. JMO of course.

That is true and hopefully they show integrity after their normal expenses to increase the reward, set-up some kind of foundation or something to that effect. My heart goes out to them.

violet67
10-31-2009, 05:05 PM
I agree everyone makes different facial expressions when they are talking, I think the smirk was saying she will laugh when he is caught and punished for this atrosity he commited to her little girl.

with all due respect..i disagree - when i get very emotional or very angry my lips turn up in a terrible type of grimace...I dont know if this is an unconcious attempt to swallow some of that anger or just to get myself under control - i dont think she meant it as a laugh or smile in thoughts of retribution...it is hard to understand someone in DT's shoes' facial expressions..i hope i am never there

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 05:08 PM
with all due respect..i disagree - when i get very emotional or very angry my lips turn up in a terrible type of grimace...I dont know if this is an unconcious attempt to swallow some of that anger or just to get myself under control - i dont think she meant it as a laugh or smile in thoughts of retribution...it is hard to understand someone in DT's shoes' facial expressions..i hope i am never there

maybe I worded that wrong not laugh but be glad when he is caught and punished, I also hope I am never in her shoes or even close to it poor women she has my deepest sympathy

WillenFan21
10-31-2009, 05:09 PM
Her father is ruled out completely b.c the man is in a wheelchair and can't walk & if there was fluids in Somer's body then for obvious reasons that rules out the mother. You just have to look at the facts here.

wasalurker
10-31-2009, 05:14 PM
Have had time to read each and every post today - but something did catch my eye. If this has been addressed please overlook and move on

Regarding Child Support / Disability

Child support stops and disability takes over for the child as well. Each child of the disabled person received a check from social security until they are 18 or until they have finished school (which I believe includes college).

BBM
regarding the bolded statement above - it does NOT go past sr in high school. I know....my DH is disabled and we had 2 boys who collected an amt from ss as stated above. #1 - believe me the amt per month wouldn't cover a 1/3 of a childs expenses every month and #2 - if you turn 18 during your sr year in high school you have to document it and it will continue till the end of the school year. It does not continue for college at all.
HTH

capoly
10-31-2009, 05:17 PM
Anyone live, or know someone that does, in Green Cove Springs? Am wondering what area of GCS has trash pick-up on Tuesday?

From Green Cove Springs site:

GARBAGE (Includes food & other household waste)
Garbage must be bagged and tied and placed in the container provided by the City. Do not place loose garbage in the container. Garbage should be placed curbside no later than 7a.m. on collection day. The City provides twice a week pickup on the following days:
Monday & Thursday
Tuesday & Friday
http://www.greencovesprings.govoffice.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={5FE8E4C9-A473-4466-B320-771D2DF113A4}


Sure it is coincidental but address change of those arrested re armed robbery would seem to be something worth keeping in mind considering LE's quick response to trash search and Owen's comments.

AR 2009036260
Robbery-armed Firearm/o… Bruner, Christopher M (B M, 19) Arrest on chrg of Robbery-armed Firearm/other Deadly Weapon (F), at 2912 Vinewood Pl, Green Cove Springs, FL, on 10/21/2009. Edmonson, M W
AR 2009036260
Robbery-armed Firearm/o… Patterson, Deanglo Monreece (B M, 19) Arrest on chrg of Robbery-armed Firearm/other Deadly Weapon (F), at 2912 Vinewood Pl, Green Cove Springs, FL, on 10/21/2009. Edmonson, M W
AR 2009036260
Robbery-armed Firearm/o… Sarver, Bryan Gregory (B M, 21) Arrest on chrg of Robbery-armed Firearm/other Deadly Weapon (F), at 2912 Vinewood Pl, Green Cove Springs, FL, on 10/21/2009. Edmonson, M W
AR 2009036260
Robbery-armed Firearm/o… Howard, Montrail Isiah (B M, 18) Arrest on chrg of Robbery-armed Firearm/other Deadly Weapon (F), at 2912 Vinewood Pl, Green Cove Springs, FL, on 10/21/2009. Edmonson, M W

TIA

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 05:20 PM
BBM
regarding the bolded statement above - it does NOT go past sr in high school. I know....my DH is disabled and we had 2 boys who collected an amt from ss as stated above. #1 - believe me the amt per month wouldn't cover a 1/3 of a childs expenses every month and if you turn 18 during your sr year in high school you have to document it and it will continue till the end of the school year. It does not continue for college at all.
HTH

Yes you are totally correec my DD drew until she finished HS then no more, which is a shame could have helped us alot for college, she went anyway and her and I both are still paying loans back and have been for 2 yrs.

violet67
10-31-2009, 05:20 PM
Her father is ruled out completely b.c the man is in a wheelchair and can't walk & if there was fluids in Somer's body then for obvious reasons that rules out the mother. You just have to look at the facts here.

i dont think anyone on this board suspects the mother or the father

alsmom
10-31-2009, 05:24 PM
My DD turned 18 in March grad from hs in May and her SSI stopped after graduation

My wording was off. My daughter just happened to graduate the same month she turned 19. Had she turned nineteen two months before she graduated, the benefits would have stopped the month of her nineteenth birthday whether she was in HS or not.

Had she been 17 when she graduated HS, her benefits would have continued until she was 18.

Kateinfl
10-31-2009, 05:27 PM
I deffinitely think the police would know how this crime happened. They saw her body and to not give the details of her death tells it all. If they thought the family was involved for just one little minute...they would never say to the pulic..."to watch your children....a child killer is out there..and post o AMW to discuss a child killer being on the loose.....There is deffinitely a killer on the loose...but they know withour a doubt it isn't the family.

Dr.Fessel
10-31-2009, 05:28 PM
personally, just from seeing Dad on Nancy Grace...I never got any bad vibes from him. But I was DEEPLY DISTURBED yet AGAIN by Mom, when NG asked Dad how he learned Somer was missing, and he told her about receiving a notification phone call from LE. Is it just me or is that messed-up!?? I don't know or care what their relationship was like...they were co-parents and MOM should have been the one to call him to explain Somer was Missing imho...............

Did it disturb you as much as her wearing the low cut dress to the funeral disturbed you? I have asked lots of my friends to look at that picture and they all say very appropiate.

It crossed my mind the police probably asked her not to call him since as far as they knew he might have taken somer and wanted to call him themselfs and record his reaction..........but then that doesn't make the mother look bad.

alsmom
10-31-2009, 05:34 PM
I have a question in general. I am not one to bash the parent/s that have lost a child. I do seem to recall though that Tori Stafford's mother took more than her fair share of "bashing". Am I missing something? I am truly not trying to be sarcastic or nasty in any way. I'm still trying to figure what's allowed here and what's not. ???

Wishbone
10-31-2009, 05:38 PM
mmmm just wondering if you were to have a seven yr old daughter disappear how would you react? I mean can you say how for sure what you would be saying and how you would be acting in the face of the media? I can't even begin to say how I would act... I am sorry I don't mean to put this in your face, I have been involved with active searches for missing children and adults and I have seen first hand the hurt that is left on the family of the missing person... jmo..



Being a garden variety neurotic type of individual I would take responsibility for what happened and like I said in my post, I would dig a hole and crawl in it.

alsmom
10-31-2009, 05:41 PM
I'm sure someone has said this. These threads are moving so fast I can't keep up. The father said he was told there was soot on Somer's body. I used to have a very large charcoal grill with a lid on it. Do you think someone could have stashed the body in one of those? Just a thought.

doggies
10-31-2009, 05:47 PM
Okay, I'm confused. The sheriff does state, eventually, that the people in the car were LE, at least the driver. The woman that stopped to help admits that she never spoke to the people in the car, just a frightened child.
What about this story is so unacceptable? I guess I am really missing something.
Video link http://www.news4jax.com/video/21360276/
I did a double take this time just as I did last time when I heard the sheriff say that yes, they'd checked into the report YESTERDAY from 10 DAYS AGO about the reported possible abduction of the other little girl.
Oh, yeah. Something's not right, here. And if they didn't check into it any earlier, no wonder Diena thought they may not believe her.
I think LE had that license plate number all along, but because the little girl got home OK, nobody even looked at it twice. Then, when this came across the radios, somebody hollered "Oh SH**!" and made the connection.
That's what I think.

WillenFan21
10-31-2009, 05:48 PM
personally, just from seeing Dad on Nancy Grace...I never got any bad vibes from him. But I was DEEPLY DISTURBED yet AGAIN by Mom, when NG asked Dad how he learned Somer was missing, and he told her about receiving a notification phone call from LE. Is it just me or is that messed-up!?? I don't know or care what their relationship was like...they were co-parents and MOM should have been the one to call him to explain Somer was Missing imho...............

I agree with you on that part of the mom. I do think she should have been the one to tell Somer's father about her going missing & stuff.

2curious
10-31-2009, 05:50 PM
I'm sure someone has said this. These threads are moving so fast I can't keep up. The father said he was told there was soot on Somer's body. I used to have a very large charcoal grill with a lid on it. Do you think someone could have stashed the body in one of those? Just a thought.

This could be possible, But who knows at this point. That is something that I don't think has been brought up. Are there grills at the park accross the street?
Usually the grills in public parks are not that large and they don't have a cover like the ones we have at home. At least the ones for public use that I have seen are not that large and they do not have a lid.

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 05:50 PM
I agree with you on that part of the mom. I do think she should have been the one to tell Somer's father about her going missing & stuff.

probably LE told her not to but she probably would not have anyway there seems to be no love lost there IMO

Dee10
10-31-2009, 05:51 PM
I'm sure someone has said this. These threads are moving so fast I can't keep up. The father said he was told there was soot on Somer's body. I used to have a very large charcoal grill with a lid on it. Do you think someone could have stashed the body in one of those? Just a thought.

We know that Somer was last scene at the house that burned, so I assume the soot came from there. Never thought to question that lol. :blushing: However, I am sure lab tests would be able to show if the soot came from a bbq, you sure are thinking outside the box Als.

panthera
10-31-2009, 05:52 PM
I'm sure someone has said this. These threads are moving so fast I can't keep up. The father said he was told there was soot on Somer's body. I used to have a very large charcoal grill with a lid on it. Do you think someone could have stashed the body in one of those? Just a thought.
Hi! It's possible. The soot can be analyzed though to determine if it was from a charcoal grill or residue from the burned house. MOO

Kateinfl
10-31-2009, 05:57 PM
We know that Somer was last scene at the house that burned, so I assume the soot came from there. Never thought to question that lol. :blushing: However, I am sure lab tests would be able to show if the soot came from a bbq, you sure are thinking outside the box Als.

I think Le is keeping many things from all of us.....but on the discussion of the family...how would soot come into the discussion....how would the siblings or the mother have soot on them....just wondering?

violet67
10-31-2009, 05:58 PM
I have a question in general. I am not one to bash the parent/s that have lost a child. I do seem to recall though that Tori Stafford's mother took more than her fair share of "bashing". Am I missing something? I am truly not trying to be sarcastic or nasty in any way. I'm still trying to figure what's allowed here and what's not. ???

the immediate family is always looked at first in the case of a missing child...any mother with a lifestyle just to the left of june cleaver will get "bashed" whether it is deserved or not

Kateinfl
10-31-2009, 06:00 PM
just because of the soot comment of the father...the family knows more than we know..i don't see how the mother or any one in the family could be possible involved

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 06:03 PM
the immediate family is always looked at first in the case of a missing child...any mother with a lifestyle just to the left of june cleaver will get "bashed" whether it is deserved or not

June Cleaver LOL

Ripley007
10-31-2009, 06:04 PM
Did it disturb you as much as her wearing the low cut dress to the funeral disturbed you? I have asked lots of my friends to look at that picture and they all say very appropiate.

It crossed my mind the police probably asked her not to call him since as far as they knew he might have taken somer and wanted to call him themselfs and record his reaction..........but then that doesn't make the mother look bad.

Someone else pointed that out to me as well. I never considered LE may have asked her NOT to place the call herself......but, makes sense.

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 06:16 PM
Did it disturb you as much as her wearing the low cut dress to the funeral disturbed you? I have asked lots of my friends to look at that picture and they all say very appropiate.

It crossed my mind the police probably asked her not to call him since as far as they knew he might have taken somer and wanted to call him themselfs and record his reaction..........but then that doesn't make the mother look bad.

Come on her dress was a little low but I don't think she felt up to showing cleavage IMO

MommaD
10-31-2009, 06:19 PM
ok..well when i first read this case my initial knee-jerk, no rationality-to-it, gut feeling was something is not ok with the dynamics with the kids - i think that SP being there is a big red flag (and all this is JMO) I think you were just ahead of the times a bit because it seems like the court of public opinion is starting to turn against DT. I found myself a bit irritated when people judged her dress for the memorial or the fact that she had a marijuana icon on her FB or myspace or pics that may not have been in the best taste but i just get the vibe that she may have had a very troubled kid (again JMO).. I feel very badly for DT - i think her initial comments about raising somer to come home directly comes from a huge feeling of guilt. I am thinking that a lot of her actions may be coming from that place. I have since the beginning noticed the subtle contradictions in her body language and hope that it comes from being suddenly in a very high profile situation. People do really odd, inexplainable things sometimes in those circumstances. I really really hope the scenario you put out with the kids is totally wrong but i will admit that it was also my first first reaction. and.... don't know why but i get an uneasy feeling about somer's dad (not that i think has has ANYTHING to do with this awful mess but i think he may be seizing a bit of an opportunity for a little financial explotation)




Exactly.. very well said... I have not gotten the memo of the A's book of rules out there .. has anyone else?? seems it is getting passed somehow.. maybe at the beginning of searches of missing children the rule book is getting faxed... jmo

I have not seen this happen like this since the A's..

I remember little van dam girl .. her dad had to work a lot during her trial.. same as the little girl who was taken at the car wash in florida.. it was on cam remember that one.. her parents had to work up till and during the trial.. As I am sure most in losing family loved ones in the past...


I have a sil that will milk a person dry , then discard them.. when I went home when my mother was sick before she past .. my sil called me up (hadn't seen or talked to her in 8yrs) and told me my brother needed his car plates.. I told her I didn't have it.. (I did but no way giving to her) I told her I know I have to have plates each year and when due and I saved to pay them. she said ok bye and haven't seen her since.. Didn't even come to Mom's funeral or my brother.. makes me sick..

human
10-31-2009, 06:22 PM
1. Just because Dad was in Iraq and injured doesn't mean he's getting disability or that the children are. It's been a real fight for those veterans to get disability. Huge! So he may not be getting any yet.

2. DT's current live-in boyfriend lists "porn" as one of his interests. That totally grosses me out. I have been married for a million years, but I can tell you for 100% sure that I would never ever have a relationship with someone that is interested in that. I have felt that way even before I met my hubby. Nor would I find it amusing if the boyfriend listed that on his MS page if he meant it as a joke.

3. Would someone who's not into pot join a society for it? I doubt it.

4. This is graphic, so don't read if you hate graphic. Hubby worked out of town and stayed at a motel. He was woken early by the garbage guys coming to get the dumpster by the motel. He said it's a mechanical arm that lifts it up into the truck. He said that the arm shakes the dumpster to get anything that might be stuck in it out. Then the stuff goes through a compacter in the truck. If anyone wants to meditate upon that further, they certainly can. But my guess is that her legs probably wouldn't have survived compaction. But I'm only guessing and I am not going to go into any deep thinking on it. Don't want to. That's why I am leaning towards a personal garbage can.

5. Current live in boyfriend of DT lists himself as single on his MS page, but he also lists himself as a "proud parent". I think that should be investigated as well. Honestly, I am older, so maybe I'm not with it, but all of those devilish things on boyfriends page seem quite juvenile for a man of his years.

Noway
10-31-2009, 06:24 PM
Often-asked for links are in my signature.

I'm adding RSOs to the list (http://www.lostnmissing.hqforums.com/vp12502.html#12502)(Who's Who) but you have to leave Websleuths to see it (can right click and open in another tab).

The list also contains others whose names have come up in this case. I've left out most of the neighbors who have commented since right now, they are on the fringes of this case, but if you'd like me to add someone in that part, let me know.

If you would like me to add an RSO, let me know. It's hard keeping them straight, especially by initials.

panthera
10-31-2009, 06:31 PM
just because of the soot comment of the father...the family knows more than we know..i don't see how the mother or any one in the family could be possible involved
To start with, she was at work, dad was out of state, and the twin brother & older sister were walking home with Somer until she ran off, then they showed up at the house on time. None of these family members had the opportunity, imo.

believe09
10-31-2009, 06:33 PM
Heh! Read back...there are lots of people suspicious of her. If not that she was directly involved, that she allowed Somer to be exposed to dangerous people, and that resulted in Somer being killed.
I don't think it was anyone the family knew well. Might have been someone that they had a passing acquiantance with, but not much more.

My bold and italics-is this your summary of the posts of the sleuthers on the board that are suspicious of mom, or are you saying that mom led a lifestyle that exposed Somer to the person who killed her? :waitasec:

MommaD
10-31-2009, 06:35 PM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=116417

Thompson is an Iraq war veteran and is wheelchair bound from an incident in Iraq in 2003. (I thought it was from a recent accident?)

Sam said he is estranged from Diena, and added the last time he spoke to Somer was two months ago.

However, the last time he saw Somer was two years ago during a trip to the beach.

(About the fund's purpose)
Sam Thompson also has a benefit fund. He says the fund will help pay for visits to Jacksonville from his home in North Carolina.


Exactly.. for himself.. not for the children... fund set up for him only..

all ST has said is on media reports.. he has said all this.. sometimes the media sugar coats it and he goes along with it .. but if reporter asks a question like "why are you in a wheelchair "? and given time to answer he tells the answer.. he was in a auto accident..... he is to be off his leg for 3 months after his surgery.. its been 2 months since the surgery as of now..

ST is trying to get disability from gov. from falling off the truck... he said he has been filing for 2 yrs now.. to make a better life for him and his kids.. how can disability make life good?? I thought hard work and saving made like good.. Not begging country to support you with a fund.... grrrrr

Sounds like to me ST is discharged from military..

I don't know why fund set up now.. Trial might not even happen for a 1-2 yrs .. right ??? normal time for a trial.. He is planning on staying on funds in Jacksonville, fl till trial over??? hmmmm

Something isn't right??? Always at the blood of little children.... shame on everyone doing this.. Shame....

Noway
10-31-2009, 06:44 PM
I'm unaware that Somer was sexually assaulted. Do you know something I don't? And if she was, then I take it back, NO, I wouldn't think her siblings capable of that. I'm thinking more along the lines of them all deciding to "play" in the burned-out house and Somer acceidently dying, them panicking and throwing her in the garbarge, or due to rough play, killing her.....etc.....
I am aware that you all have been doing some fabulous sleuthing this week, whereas I only know what I know from HLN veiwing. My goal this weekend is to go through these threads and news links and catch up.
Could have sworn that I read here that Somer was found fully clothed, thereby making a sexual assault less likey. But, I dunno.....
I thought LE was being very tight-lipped about it all.

Sorry it took me so long to respond ... I was away from the computer.

I don't know for sure ... my opinion is that she was sexually abused.

That's based on the Sheriff not answering the question from the reporter as to whether she was sexually assaulted and that they checked the whereabouts and searched the homes of the RSOs within a 5 mile radius of Somer's home. (according to media reports).

Truthfully, I don't think I want to know details. It's already heinous enough for me: a 7 year old was kidnapped close to her home, she was possibly sexually assaulted, she was murdered, she was thrown in the trash.

Hippy Chick
10-31-2009, 06:48 PM
1. Just because Dad was in Iraq and injured doesn't mean he's getting disability or that the children are. It's been a real fight for those veterans to get disability. Huge! So he may not be getting any yet.

2. DT's current live-in boyfriend lists "porn" as one of his interests. That totally grosses me out. I have been married for a million years, but I can tell you for 100% sure that I would never ever have a relationship with someone that is interested in that. I have felt that way even before I met my hubby. Nor would I find it amusing if the boyfriend listed that on his MS page if he meant it as a joke.

3. Would someone who's not into pot join a society for it? I doubt it.

4. This is graphic, so don't read if you hate graphic. Hubby worked out of town and stayed at a motel. He was woken early by the garbage guys coming to get the dumpster by the motel. He said it's a mechanical arm that lifts it up into the truck. He said that the arm shakes the dumpster to get anything that might be stuck in it out. Then the stuff goes through a compacter in the truck. If anyone wants to meditate upon that further, they certainly can. But my guess is that her legs probably wouldn't have survived compaction. But I'm only guessing and I am not going to go into any deep thinking on it. Don't want to. That's why I am leaning towards a personal garbage can.

5. Current live in boyfriend of DT lists himself as single on his MS page, but he also lists himself as a "proud parent". I think that should be investigated as well. Honestly, I am older, so maybe I'm not with it, but all of those devilish things on boyfriends page seem quite juvenile for a man of his years.

just b cause she smokes weed dosent't mean squat here I don't watch porn myself but alot of people do he didn't say kiddie porn so I don't think that either of these things have anything to do with what happened to Somer. And yes, alot of men are quite juvenile some never grow up. IMO He may be single but have children from previous relationship IDK

believe09
10-31-2009, 06:51 PM
just b cause she smokes weed dosent't mean squat here I don't watch porn myself but alot of people do he didn't say kiddie porn so I don't think that either of these things have anything to do with what happened to Somer. And yes, alot of men are quite juvenile some never grow up. IMO He may be single but have children from previous relationship IDK

Don't sugar coat it Hippie, tell us how you REALLY feel, :blowkiss: