NC- Amber Alert issued Shaniya Davis, 5, missing from her home 11/10/09 #2 [Archive]

imamaze

11-11-2009, 10:26 PM

NC- Amber Alert issued Shaniya Davis, 5, missing from her home 11/10/09

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Patty G

11-11-2009, 10:31 PM

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kellync

11-11-2009, 10:32 PM

Thanks, Patty!!

seekjustice

11-11-2009, 10:35 PM

I'm just catching up here, but the noise at the neighbors has me stumped.
First off if I heard that noise I would 1. check it out or 2. if I am alone, call police. No way I would just go back to sleep.
To be honest my first thought as horrifying as it is was that it may have been Shaniya trying to get help.
At this point I'm convinced it's in the family.

momtective

11-11-2009, 10:36 PM

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/Neighbor-1.jpg

Going through the sky5 video we find 2 little children playing all alone...in the freakin' road!
There's a child missing not 200 feet from these children and they are playing outside completely unsupervised! :furious:
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/children.jpg

Quiche

11-11-2009, 10:38 PM

I've wondered if they slept in shifts or something-- like the adults staying up all night while the kids slept in the bedrooms, then toward dawn, the kids were moved to the living area/couches (since they were going to be awake soon anyway)...like that? Sounds druggy, crowded, and possible. jmo

The condition of the blanket really haunts me. I want to know the condition of the mother's bed...

I have a very bad feeling about the lone man in the house. Very bad.

seekjustice

11-11-2009, 10:38 PM

If perp dumps the blanket so close, makes wonder if Shaniya's body would be close by as well.

curvecuti

11-11-2009, 10:39 PM

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/Neighbor-1.jpg

Going through the sky5 video we find 2 little children playing all alone...in the freakin' road!
There's a child missing not 200 feet from these children and they are playing outside completely unsupervised! :furious:
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/children.jpg
For that area that's par for the course. It's awful and sad but pretty common for that area. :(

mayelf

11-11-2009, 10:39 PM

Looks like they are checking out the firetruck.

I'm praying the surveillance cameras give this case a good clue on what happened to that little girl.

panthera

11-11-2009, 10:42 PM

I'm just catching up here, but the noise at the neighbors has me stumped.
First off if I heard that noise I would 1. check it out or 2. if I am alone, call police. No way I would just go back to sleep.
To be honest my first thought as horrifying as it is was that it may have been Shaniya trying to get help.
At this point I'm convinced it's in the family.
The neighbor even said in hindsight she now believes what the noise was ~ somebody putting the blanket into the trash can. And with the trash picked up on Monday there really wouldn't be any reason for anybody to be 'borrowing' somebody else's container. How stupid can somebody be though to be disposing of her blanket and make noise awakening the neighbor while getting the container open? :banghead:

kellync

11-11-2009, 10:42 PM

i've wondered if they slept in shifts or something-- like the adults staying up all night while the kids slept in the bedrooms, then toward dawn, the kids were moved to the living area/couches (since they were going to be awake soon anyway)...like that? Sounds druggy, crowded, and possible. Jmo

the condition of the blanket really haunts me. I want to know the condition of the mother's bed...

I have a very bad feeling about the lone man in the house. Very bad. bbm
bingo!!!

panthera

11-11-2009, 10:44 PM

If perp dumps the blanket so close, makes wonder if Shaniya's body would be close by as well.
Earlier today I thought it might be possible that the perp just forgot to dispose of it until they got home from wherever they took Shaniya, but now finding out it was covered in feces I don't think that's the case. So it may be that she's close by also. MOO

AmandaReckonwith

11-11-2009, 10:45 PM

Photobucket with saved pics (updated and corrected):

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniyah%20Davis/

momtective

11-11-2009, 10:46 PM

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/skirting.jpg

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/trashbin.jpg

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/scentdog.jpg

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/sleepy.jpg

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/binhouses.jpg

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/Neighbor-1.jpg

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/Trailertrashbin.jpg

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/children.jpg

kellync

11-11-2009, 10:46 PM

The neighbor even said in hindsight she now believes what the noise was ~ somebody putting the blanket into the trash can. And with the trash picked up on Monday there really wouldn't be any reason for anybody to be 'borrowing' somebody else's container. How stupid can somebody be though to be disposing of her blanket and make noise awakening the neighbor while getting the container open? :banghead:
Panthera, I asked this on the other thread, help me out if possible.
--The can is at the road at press time and in pictures we've seen.
--This same can was picked up the day before so I assume it hasnt been taken from the road back close to the trailer because the news reports were showing the can by the road (and some pictures on the last thread show this also)
--unless they are showing a different can belonging to someone else, how did the neighbor hear something that could have been her can being wedged up against the trailer if it is along side of the road still from trash day?
Thanks

I'm sure there is a perfectly logical answer, but I'm stuck

kiki the parrot

11-11-2009, 10:46 PM

OK help me here..If the trash was picked up, and from the picture we see the can is at the road, why would the can lid be wedged against the trailer? it is at the road isnt it?

Kelly I'm moving your post here, and rewriting what I can remember of my first response lost when last thread locked... (btw NG transcript not yet available I checked). The neighbor was on NG explaining that she keeps her trash can right next to her trailer in a little nook between trailer and porch. So due to the tight quarters and what sounded like lid getting caught or hung up on molding or lip of the trailer, she said it's difficult to pull out and open w/out making a clatter. Maybe it wasn't the same one you saw at the road. HTH!

:parrot:

panthera

11-11-2009, 10:47 PM

I've wondered if they slept in shifts or something-- like the adults staying up all night while the kids slept in the bedrooms, then toward dawn, the kids were moved to the living area/couches (since they were going to be awake soon anyway)...like that? Sounds druggy, crowded, and possible. jmo

The condition of the blanket really haunts me. I want to know the condition of the mother's bed...

I have a very bad feeling about the lone man in the house. Very bad.
It seems that size mobile home would have a maximum of 2 bedrooms so I think what you've suggested is very possible and yes, the adults could be up all night and maybe why the neighbor wasn't too alarmed by somebody using her trash at 3:00am. MOO

Quiche

11-11-2009, 10:49 PM

If perp dumps the blanket so close, makes wonder if Shaniya's body would be close by as well.

You've brought up a couple of things that are thought provoking for me. The trash can being so close-- my first impression was childlike. As though a very young kid was "hiding" something. You also mentioned that perhaps the beating on the neighbors' house may have been Shaniya herself seeking help...

Tying those two scenarios together-- maybe Shaniya had an accident (or injury/assault) that caused the wrath of one of the adults because of the soiled blanket, couch, bed, clothes, whatever...and Shaniya ran off to avoid punishment...depositing the "evidence" in the closest trash can and banging on doors/trailers until someone let her in.

Have they been granted entry to homes in the area?

And what's with the dogs not picking up her scent when her personal blanket it right there in the can? I am discounting those dogs for the moment. Doesn't add up.

kiki the parrot

11-11-2009, 10:52 PM

I'm just catching up here, but the noise at the neighbors has me stumped.
First off if I heard that noise I would 1. check it out or 2. if I am alone, call police. No way I would just go back to sleep.
To be honest my first thought as horrifying as it is was that it may have been Shaniya trying to get help.
At this point I'm convinced it's in the family.

Me too, I'd have to wake all the way up to check it out! But maybe in this hood it's not uncommon for people to "borrow" somebody else's trash can :rolleyes: or this has happened before. :confused: She sounded horrified in hindsight that she didn't investigate this at the time.

:parrot:

panthera

11-11-2009, 10:52 PM

Panthera, I asked this on the other thread, help me out if possible.
--The can is at the road at press time and in pictures we've seen.
--This same can was picked up the day before so I assume it hasnt been taken from the road back close to the trailer because the news reports were showing the can by the road (and some pictures on the last thread show this also)
--unless they are showing a different can belonging to someone else, how did the neighbor hear something that could have been her can being wedged up against the trailer if it is along side of the road still from trash day?
Thanks

I'm sure there is a perfectly logical answer, but I'm stuck
I noticed that too but listened to what the neighbor said rather than what's in the photos, since as you mentioned it could be another trash can by the road and not the one she was talking about. Otherwise I agree it doesn't make sense. I can also see somebody putting the blanket into the can by the side of the road much more than if the can was right next to her house and it made a noise opening it. :waitasec: MOO

kellync

11-11-2009, 10:53 PM

Kelly I'm moving your post here, and rewriting what I can remember of my first response lost when last thread locked... (btw NG transcript not yet available I checked). The neighbor was on NG explaining that she keeps her trash can right next to her trailer in a little nook between trailer and porch. So due to the tight quarters and what sounded like lid getting caught or hung up on molding or lip of the trailer, she said it's difficult to pull out and open w/out making a clatter. Maybe it wasn't the same one you saw at the road. HTH!

:parrot:
Thanks Kiki. So, this picture doesnt show the neighbors trashcan then does it?
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

These are the pics posted here on this thread saying this si the neighbors trash and thats why I am confused.

Charla

11-11-2009, 10:54 PM

You've brought up a couple of things that are thought provoking for me. The trash can being so close-- my first impression was childlike. As though a very young kid was "hiding" something. You also mentioned that perhaps the beating on the neighbors' house may have been Shaniya herself seeking help...

Tying those two scenarios together-- maybe Shaniya had an accident (or injury/assault) that caused the wrath of one of the adults because of the soiled blanket, couch, bed, clothes, whatever...and Shaniya ran off to avoid punishment...depositing the "evidence" in the closest trash can and banging on doors/trailers until someone let her in.

Have they been granted entry to homes in the area?

And what's with the dogs not picking up her scent when her personal blanket it right there in the can? I am discounting those dogs for the moment. Doesn't add up.

(bold mine) Very good point!

kellync

11-11-2009, 10:55 PM

Ok, thanks Panthera and Kiki, just trying to keep my head screwed on straight here.

momtective

11-11-2009, 11:00 PM

Thanks Kiki. So, this picture doesnt show the neighbors trashcan then does it?
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

These are the pics posted here on this thread saying this si the neighbors trash and thats why I am confused.

I'm not sure if it's the correct trash can or not. But the neighbor said she lives across the street from Davis. Neighbor states that she lives on Sleepy Hollow (the main road through the trailer park) and that Davis lives across from her on like a side road.

BeanE

11-11-2009, 11:02 PM

I'm so worried about this beautiful little girl.

The feces on the blanket, the blanket disposed of in the neighbor's trunk. Wow. This has me stumped.

A few thoughts.

If there was feces on the blanket, there had to be feces on Shaniya. Can't think of anything else that makes sense, but that this little sweetheart pooped herself, and it got on the blanket.

I saw it mentioned that there was feces on the porch and railing. Has anyone seen mention if there was also feces in the house? On the couch she was supposedly laying on?

Could it be that someone came in the home and grabbed her, and she got diarrhea in fear as she was carried out the door? Then the perp threw the blanket in the neighbor's trash can?

Would a perp continue to take a child who had feces on them? Or would they change their mind and leave them rather than deal with the mess?

Could Shaniya have messed her pants, left the house in fear, and thrown away her blanket herself out of fear or embarrassment?

I'm so worried and sad for this baby because I am afraid that all signs are pointing to something very bad having happened to her in her home, by the people there, and that she is no longer with us.

I pray that wherever she is, and whatever has happened, that she is not in fear or pain.

kellync

11-11-2009, 11:04 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/6397725/
I havent seen Nancy grace I usually watch her at 3 am, she puts me to sleep LOL Websleuthers normally have more up to date than she does (true story) but in the video I posted, the neighbor is interviewed on the news and for a split second, it showed a trashcan by her front porch. I guess its much a doo about nothing, I wondered how she heard the can against the house if it was still at the street. ???

panthera

11-11-2009, 11:05 PM

Ok, thanks Panthera and Kiki, just trying to keep my head screwed on straight here.
So am I! It certainly would be less confusing to me if these were regular neighborhood blocks with the houses all on lots in the same direction!

seekjustice

11-11-2009, 11:07 PM

What do we know about trash cans at the family's MH? Do they have any? Were they checked? Was the neighbor implying they used her cans in the past??

Quiche

11-11-2009, 11:08 PM

Didn't the neighbor lady (Andrea Moore) say that LE woke her up and told her they were "taking" her trash can? Perhaps the location we see in the pics is after they removed the can from its original spot?

BeanE

11-11-2009, 11:08 PM

Does anyone know if Tim Miller is going out there?

seekjustice

11-11-2009, 11:11 PM

I'm so worried about this beautiful little girl.

The feces on the blanket, the blanket disposed of in the neighbor's trunk. Wow. This has me stumped.

A few thoughts.

If there was feces on the blanket, there had to be feces on Shaniya. Can't think of anything else that makes sense, but that this little sweetheart pooped herself, and it got on the blanket.

I saw it mentioned that there was feces on the porch and railing. Has anyone seen mention if there was also feces in the house? On the couch she was supposedly laying on?

Could it be that someone came in the home and grabbed her, and she got diarrhea in fear as she was carried out the door? Then the perp threw the blanket in the neighbor's trash can?

Would a perp continue to take a child who had feces on them? Or would they change their mind and leave them rather than deal with the mess?

Could Shaniya have messed her pants, left the house in fear, and thrown away her blanket herself out of fear or embarrassment?

I'm so worried and sad for this baby because I am afraid that all signs are pointing to something very bad having happened to her in her home, by the people there, and that she is no longer with us.

I pray that wherever she is, and whatever has happened, that she is not in fear or pain.

Good questions. My question is exactly how much feces was found on the porch? I picture someone taking a blanket outside to shake it off KWIM? But I wouldn't think that there would be signifcant amounts unless, Oh I don't know, so strange to me.

kellync

11-11-2009, 11:13 PM

I was so hoping she would be found by now. From where I sit it seems like with the cameras and all of the people in the house, Shaniya would have been located..

kiki the parrot

11-11-2009, 11:13 PM

You've brought up a couple of things that are thought provoking for me. The trash can being so close-- my first impression was childlike. As though a very young kid was "hiding" something. You also mentioned that perhaps the beating on the neighbors' house may have been Shaniya herself seeking help...

Tying those two scenarios together-- maybe Shaniya had an accident (or injury/assault) that caused the wrath of one of the adults because of the soiled blanket, couch, bed, clothes, whatever...and Shaniya ran off to avoid punishment...depositing the "evidence" in the closest trash can and banging on doors/trailers until someone let her in.

Have they been granted entry to homes in the area?

And what's with the dogs not picking up her scent when her personal blanket it right there in the can? I am discounting those dogs for the moment. Doesn't add up.

(bbm) And I hate to think of her running out, into what would have still been dark for help in an area like that I pray that sound was not her banging for help and no one answered :( W that many SO's around Lord knows how far she would have gotten. But that's not really my sense.

LE said something went wrong during the night. The fact there was also some smearing on rail of the porch has me wondering hard about what caused that.:confused:

:parrot:

WillenFan21

11-11-2009, 11:14 PM

You've brought up a couple of things that are thought provoking for me. The trash can being so close-- my first impression was childlike. As though a very young kid was "hiding" something. You also mentioned that perhaps the beating on the neighbors' house may have been Shaniya herself seeking help...

Tying those two scenarios together-- maybe Shaniya had an accident (or injury/assault) that caused the wrath of one of the adults because of the soiled blanket, couch, bed, clothes, whatever...and Shaniya ran off to avoid punishment...depositing the "evidence" in the closest trash can and banging on doors/trailers until someone let her in.

Have they been granted entry to homes in the area?

And what's with the dogs not picking up her scent when her personal blanket it right there in the can? I am discounting those dogs for the moment. Doesn't add up.

From what they said on Nancy Grace her sent has been no where outside b/c the dogs have picked up nothing. I am wondering if she could be under the trailer of the neighbor if she's not in the sewer system. JMO

momtective

11-11-2009, 11:14 PM

Does anyone know if Tim Miller is going out there?

I sincerely hope he is. I noticed a lot of marshy area on the sky5 video http://www.wral.com/news/video/6387812/ and there are a lot of heavy woods around the mobile home park.

panthera

11-11-2009, 11:15 PM

I'm going to have to leave you all and say good night. I hope to be able to catch up on the news a little tomorrow while I'm at work so I won't be too far behind when I get here in the evening! :seeya:

Prayers that Shaniya is found soon :praying:

momtective

11-11-2009, 11:16 PM

Didn't the neighbor lady (Andrea Moore) say that LE woke her up and told her they were "taking" her trash can? Perhaps the location we see in the pics is after they removed the can from its original spot?

I bet you're right!
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb108/Shinude/gold_star_sticker.jpg

not_my_kids

11-11-2009, 11:16 PM

Alright, I'll say it. I know I'm not the only one thinking it.
Sexual assault could have killed her. She is only 5. There is a man in that house.
Sexual assault on a 5 year old by a grown adult male would also explain how the feces got on the blanket.

kiki the parrot

11-11-2009, 11:17 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/6397725/
I havent seen Nancy grace I usually watch her at 3 am, she puts me to sleep LOL Websleuthers normally have more up to date than she does (true story) but in the video I posted, the neighbor is interviewed on the news and for a split second, it showed a trashcan by her front porch. I guess its much a doo about nothing, I wondered how she heard the can against the house if it was still at the street. ???

We don't know it was her's or for that matter, that she only had one. Only that what she claims to have heard was a can against her house.

:parrot:

Quiche

11-11-2009, 11:18 PM

Do we know which surfaces of the porch were soiled? Landing, steps, railing?

angeleleven

11-11-2009, 11:20 PM

Did anyone hear that they were having sewage problems? Thought I heard that on Nancy Grace.

Tainted Angel

11-11-2009, 11:22 PM

Catching up on threads...and came across this one. Breaks me heart that there is another one.

Sadly, I too think someone in that house did this or knows what happened because of the lack of someone in the family pleading for the return of this child.

One thing I did notice though is the neighbor's trash can looks like a cart where you have to pay for the monthly service. Meaning that these are not city provided cans or dumpsters in the area. Other posters have said that this is a depressed area and maybe not alot of them can afford the service so they frequently "borrow" other paying customers trash cans. I have not seen any trash cart in any of the aerial photos around Shaniya's house. The fact that it was possibly done around 3:00 a.m. and the neighbor stated that they had not used it in the past would send up some red flags maybe?

Also, I haven't seen it anywhere if they said there was other trash in the can or was it just the blanket? Unless these people are low-watt bulbs, if I wanted to hide a piece of evidence I would at least try to hide it in a bag of household trash. Forgive me if I have that wrong, but for some reason I have it in my head that the blanket was the lone occupant of that trash can. Anybody know if that is true?

nursebeeme

11-11-2009, 11:22 PM

Good questions. My question is exactly how much feces was found on the porch? I picture someone taking a blanket outside to shake it off KWIM? But I wouldn't think that there would be signifcant amounts unless, Oh I don't know, so strange to me.
the one link said the feces was SMEARED on the railing and floor of the porch... SMEARING indicates deliberate action. (thought: child soils the blanket... angry adult takes blanket outside and smears/wipes it on the railing/floor.. leaves it there.. goes back into trailer where something horrible happens. just a thought

however, I am not sure what would cause a five year old to lose bowel control.. it is not, however, uncommon in sexual abuse (just thinking again):

How would I know if my child is being sexually abused?

Many parents expect their son or daughter to tell them or another trusted adult about being sexually abused. Abusers often threaten or convince the child not to tell anyone about it. The child may believe that the abuse is his fault and that the will be punished if someone finds out. A child’s first statements about abuse may be vague and incomplete. He may just hint about the problem to see if he would get in trouble. Abused children may tell a friend about it. The friend may then tell an adult. Children may tell about abuse after a personal safety program at their school. Parents may suspect abuse because of the child’s behavior. You should be aware of the following behavioral changes in your child that may be symptoms of sexual abuse:

Noticeable, new fear of a person (even a parent) or certain places
Unusual or unexpected response from the child when asked if she was touched by someone
Drawings that show sexual acts
Abrupt changes in behavior, such as bed-wetting or loss of bowel control
http://www.drsvyas.com/child_sexual_abuse.html

Isabelle

11-11-2009, 11:22 PM

Did anyone hear that they were having sewage problems? Thought I heard that on Nancy Grace.

Also wonder how long they have had the problem and whether or not the city has been out to see what the problem is. If it is recent, makes me really worry.

KaylynnCouture

11-11-2009, 11:24 PM

the one link said the feces was SMEARED on the railing and floor of the porch... SMEARING indicates deliberate action. (thought: child soils the blanket... angry adult takes blanket outside and smears/wipes it on the railing/floor.. leaves it there.. goes back into trailer where something horrible happens. just a thought

however, I am not sure what would cause a five year old to lose bowel control.. it is not, however, uncommon in sexual abuse (just thinking again):
http://www.drsvyas.com/child_sexual_abuse.html

Aaaand now I feel sick.

Shaniya..PLEASE come home safe.

kellync

11-11-2009, 11:25 PM

Do we know which surfaces of the porch were soiled? Landing, steps, railing?
http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/6397725/

"From what I was told there was feces spread all over that porch and rail at the little girls house"

So sad. I try to stay objective and removed somewhat, but damn this makes me sick

momtective

11-11-2009, 11:25 PM

New video
http://www.wral.com/news/video/6387812/

belimom

11-11-2009, 11:25 PM

Alright, I'll say it. I know I'm not the only one thinking it.
Sexual assault could have killed her. She is only 5. There is a man in that house.
Sexual assault on a 5 year old by a grown adult male would also explain how the feces got on the blanket.

Our poor babies...:cry:

Tainted Angel

11-11-2009, 11:28 PM

Aaaand now I feel sick.

Shaniya..PLEASE come home safe.

Oh Lord, I had not thought of that, but I'm there with you. Not a good feeling in the stomach.

Does anybody know if there are pets in the home? Could explain some of the feces. Maybe the surveillance cameras could answer how in the world it got there in the first place? Is this a front porch or a back porch where maybe the cameras can't see behind the house?

And secondly, if the residents knew there was a surveillance system in the park, why in the world would you carry a body out of that house?

Quiche

11-11-2009, 11:29 PM

(bbm) And I hate to think of her running out, into what would have still been dark for help in an area like that I pray that sound was not her banging for help and no one answered :( W that many SO's around Lord knows how far she would have gotten. But that's not really my sense.

LE said something went wrong during the night. The fact there was also some smearing on rail of the porch has me wondering hard about what caused that.:confused:

:parrot:

This is what I thought I remembered. Either she walked out on her own-- a five year old clutching a blanket around her would use the rail down the steps, or she was struggling to remain if she were being carried.

A toileting "accident" could get extra messy if a five year old tried to cope on their own. Compounding the problem, if you will.

I really wonder if she walked out to "hide" her blanket and met with someone nefarious. Hmmm.

kellync

11-11-2009, 11:37 PM

Oh Lord, I had not thought of that, but I'm there with you. Not a good feeling in the stomach.

Does anybody know if there are pets in the home? Could explain some of the feces. Maybe the surveillance cameras could answer how in the world it got there in the first place? Is this a front porch or a back porch where maybe the cameras can't see behind the house?

And secondly, if the residents knew there was a surveillance system in the park, why in the world would you carry a body out of that house?
The pet question is a good one, but jeez, they'd have to put it in the refrigerator, they didnt have much room for people..

angeleleven

11-11-2009, 11:38 PM

Catching up on threads...and came across this one. Breaks me heart that there is another one.

Sadly, I too think someone in that house did this or knows what happened because of the lack of someone in the family pleading for the return of this child.

One thing I did notice though is the neighbor's trash can looks like a cart where you have to pay for the monthly service. Meaning that these are not city provided cans or dumpsters in the area. Other posters have said that this is a depressed area and maybe not alot of them can afford the service so they frequently "borrow" other paying customers trash cans. I have not seen any trash cart in any of the aerial photos around Shaniya's house. The fact that it was possibly done around 3:00 a.m. and the neighbor stated that they had not used it in the past would send up some red flags maybe?
lso, I haven't seen it anywhere if they said there was other trash in the can or was it just the blanket? Unless these people are low-watt bulbs, if I wanted to hide a piece of evidence I would at least try to hide it in a bag of household trash. Forgive me if I have that wrong, but for some reason I have it in my head that the blanket was the lone occupant of that trash can. Anybody know if that is true?

Neighbor said that trash was dumped on Monday...therefore, I guess that's why the blanket was the only thing in the trash can on Tuesday morning.

supergirl

11-11-2009, 11:39 PM

I don't know how it is in that area, but down here our water/sewage and trash collection are the same company/bill. If your bill isn't paid for awhile they will come and take your can away, as well as disconnecting water and sewage.

Another thought, about the blanket, even if I don't really think it is what happened...if she soiled her blanket during the night and no washer to toss it in, maybe it was just put outside over the rail with the thought of less stinky in house until the morning when it could be taken and cleaned somewhere.

nursebeeme

11-11-2009, 11:41 PM

New video
http://www.wral.com/news/video/6387812/
thanks mom,
This video answers the question on the "beating" the neighbor described... as she acted it out in this video...

angeleleven

11-11-2009, 11:43 PM

I don't know how it is in that area, but down here our water/sewage and trash collection are the same company/bill. If your bill isn't paid for awhile they will come and take your can away, as well as disconnecting water and sewage.

Another thought, about the blanket, even if I don't really think it is what happened...if she soiled her blanket during the night and no washer to toss it in, maybe it was just put outside over the rail with the thought of less stinky in house until the morning when it could be taken and cleaned somewhere.

I thought the blanket was found in the neighbor's trash can....not over the porch rail?

supergirl

11-11-2009, 11:46 PM

I thought the blanket was found in the neighbor's trash can....not over the porch rail?

It was. I wasreferring to the feces on the blanket and smeared on the porch rail also. IT may have possible blown off the rail, if it was windy, into the street. Someone going by could have picked it up and put it in the can.
Just throwing out ideas for thought, since right now all we can do is speculate while we wait with baited breath for her to be found.

Tainted Angel

11-11-2009, 11:46 PM

I don't know how it is in that area, but down here our water/sewage and trash collection are the same company/bill. If your bill isn't paid for awhile they will come and take your can away, as well as disconnecting water and sewage.

Another thought, about the blanket, even if I don't really think it is what happened...if she soiled her blanket during the night and no washer to toss it in, maybe it was just put outside over the rail with the thought of less stinky in house until the morning when it could be taken and cleaned somewhere.

Trash services vary so widely, it's just when I saw the cart, it looked like one that I use. I live in a rural area (far away from the southeast) and my trash it completely seperate from all other utilities. You have to specifically contract with one of the collection services.

I can see that happening with the blanket. Maybe it was soiled at some other time and then decided it was too far gone to wash and salvage and was tossed in the trash and the nearest one was the neighbor's. Question is, when exactly was it tossed? If it was done at 3 a.m. then I would think maybe there is more to the story than that.

Charla

11-11-2009, 11:46 PM

I don't know how it is in that area, but down here our water/sewage and trash collection are the same company/bill. If your bill isn't paid for awhile they will come and take your can away, as well as disconnecting water and sewage.

Another thought, about the blanket, even if I don't really think it is what happened...if she soiled her blanket during the night and no washer to toss it in, maybe it was just put outside over the rail with the thought of less stinky in house until the morning when it could be taken and cleaned somewhere.

So maybe the family didn't pay their own water bill, so they had no trashcan of their own? The "sewer" problem maybe originates from the family having no running water in their home? IDK, just guessing...Where I live water/sewage is paid as part of my monthly rent so I get water usage and access to a dumpster but no actual trash can of my own...

mysticrose

11-11-2009, 11:48 PM

Didn't know if these had been brought over or not...The videos of NG that Patty so kindly put up for us:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NC- Amber Alert issued Shaniya Davis, 5, missing from her home 11/10/09

supergirl

11-11-2009, 11:49 PM

So maybe the family didn't pay their own water bill, so they had no trashcan of their own? The "sewer" problem maybe originates from the family having no running water in their home? IDK, just guessing...Where I live water/sewage is paid as part of my monthly rent so I get water usage and access to a dumpster but no actual trash can of my own...

yep, that was what I was thinking, when reading about sewage problems and no can visible at their trailer. Possible.

kellync

11-11-2009, 11:51 PM

Let me find the video, but there is a can at the trailer. it is on the latest video with the helicopter fly over...

kiki the parrot

11-11-2009, 11:52 PM

This is what I thought I remembered. Either she walked out on her own-- a five year old clutching a blanket around her would use the rail down the steps, or she was struggling to remain if she were being carried.

A toileting "accident" could get extra messy if a five year old tried to cope on their own. Compounding the problem, if you will.

I really wonder if she walked out to "hide" her blanket and met with someone nefarious. Hmmm.

(bbm) OR... she was being carried, lifeless, wrapped in the soiled blanket which brushed along railing causing smearing :( yet another possible scenario.

:parrot:

kellync

11-11-2009, 11:52 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/video/6387812/
Momtective posted it. ;)

kellync

11-11-2009, 11:53 PM

2:31 mark. to see the davis trash can if you are so inclined

not_my_kids

11-11-2009, 11:53 PM

When did the rain start?

supergirl

11-11-2009, 11:53 PM

Do we know anything more regarding LE being familiar with the house because of a prior drug raid? I thought I heard NG say that. Anything further known about prior mistreatment?

supergirl

11-11-2009, 11:56 PM

2:31 mark. to see the davis trash can if you are so inclined

thanks Kelly, I see it now. So, that thought doesn't work.

momtective

11-11-2009, 11:57 PM

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/binshaniyashouse.jpg

Back of Shaniya's home
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/backofshaniyashouse.jpg

thejoker101

11-11-2009, 11:57 PM

This is what I thought I remembered. Either she walked out on her own-- a five year old clutching a blanket around her would use the rail down the steps, or she was struggling to remain if she were being carried.

A toileting "accident" could get extra messy if a five year old tried to cope on their own. Compounding the problem, if you will.

I really wonder if she walked out to "hide" her blanket and met with someone nefarious. Hmmm.
BBM
Hey Q :wave:
If she walked out on her own, wouldn't the dogs would have picked up on her scent? That's what bothers me is the dogs not hitting on any scents in the area.

supergirl

11-11-2009, 11:58 PM

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/binshaniyashouse.jpg

Back of Shaniya's home
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/backofshaniyashouse.jpg

the trailers look much closer from this view than the aerial views.

Kimberlyd125

11-11-2009, 11:58 PM

Looking at the video, I don't even see a porch. Are they calling the wood steps leading up to the door a porch?

not_my_kids

11-11-2009, 11:58 PM

The dogs in this case can suck an egg. The child's favorite blanket was 200 feet away in an unsealed (closed only) container, and they couldn't find it.

kiki the parrot

11-11-2009, 11:59 PM

I don't know how it is in that area, but down here our water/sewage and trash collection are the same company/bill. If your bill isn't paid for awhile they will come and take your can away, as well as disconnecting water and sewage.

Another thought, about the blanket, even if I don't really think it is what happened...if she soiled her blanket during the night and no washer to toss it in, maybe it was just put outside over the rail with the thought of less stinky in house until the morning when it could be taken and cleaned somewhere.

Yes where we rent none of these utility services are included and all--water/trash/sewer--are billed together. Which is why I wondered why landlord be responsible if a resident didn't pay. Sadly I don't doubt there are low income or impoverished tenants everywhere who try to get by w/out paying for these basic services... but they couldn't complain to the mobile home park mgmt or a landlord because they're not paying for trash and sewer :confused:

:parrot:

kellync

11-12-2009, 12:00 AM

Kimberly, if you look at the big tree by the back door and look at the ground by it, you can see the steps (I'm pretty sure)

kiki the parrot

11-12-2009, 12:00 AM

The dogs in this case can suck an egg. The child's favorite blanket was 200 feet away in an unsealed (closed only) container, and they couldn't find it.

Unless it was put there after the dogs searched? I don't know... :confused:

:parrot:

RoseRed

11-12-2009, 12:00 AM

Didn't one of the news articles say raw sewage was backed up in the bath tub?

kellync

11-12-2009, 12:01 AM

Looking at the video, I don't even see a porch. Are they calling the wood steps leading up to the door a porch?
Sorry, Yes, i think they are

momtective

11-12-2009, 12:02 AM

The dogs in this case can suck an egg. The child's favorite blanket was 200 feet away in an unsealed (closed only) container, and they couldn't find it.

Yes indeed and if LE is relying on the dogs to find this baby I would suggest some officers get down on their bellies and start crawling under that trailer! If she didn't leave the house...then she's still in the house...or under it!

supergirl

11-12-2009, 12:04 AM

Yes where we rent all these utility services--water/trash/sewer--are billed together too. Which is why I wondered why landlord be responsible if a resident didn't pay. I mean as sad as it is I don't doubt there are low income or impoverished tenants everywhere who try to get by w/out these basic services... they can't complain to the mobile home park mgmt or a landlord because they're not paying for trash and sewer :confused:

:parrot:

O/T a bit, but sad to say, down my way a big deal on the news in the summer was the owner of a trailer park didn't pay the bills, declared bankruptcy so the county was due to stop services....which the renters paid every month to the owner in rent to be paid. The redcross stepped in to cover it. Can you imagine an entire trailer park with no water, sewage or trash services in Florida in the summertime?!

Tainted Angel

11-12-2009, 12:05 AM

Looking at the video, I don't even see a porch. Are they calling the wood steps leading up to the door a porch?

I suppose so. I'm wondering which one they are talking about though. The front steps or the back ones.

BTW I love the pic in your sig. I chuckle every time you post and I see it. :crazy:

momtective

11-12-2009, 12:05 AM

Looking at the video, I don't even see a porch. Are they calling the wood steps leading up to the door a porch?

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/porch.jpg

cleo612

11-12-2009, 12:06 AM

OT:

Kelly, did you see the new child alert that flashed on TV a little while ago? It said Child Abduction Alert for all of NC, expires at 11:12pm tomorrow night. Just wondering if it is related to Shaniya, or if this is a different one.

kellync

11-12-2009, 12:07 AM

Yes indeed and if LE is relying on the dogs to find this baby I would suggest some officers get down on their bellies and start crawling under that trailer! If she didn't leave the house...then she's still in the house...or under it!
The underpinning of the trailer is strewn about the yard, so i assume that LE looked under the trailer.
I tend to give the dogs a break because I am in NC and darn the rain has been torrential, and the wind has been strong. Very strong.
In the video with the helicopter posted by momtective, LE is stopping every car and checking it out, and I hope that they would have sense enough to look under trailers that are nearby. I just have a lot of sympathy for anyone in this weather looking for this child. the Mother hasnt said a word, or made a plea that I am aware of, so the cops and dogs have my utmost respect right now..

kellync

11-12-2009, 12:10 AM

OT:

Kelly, did you see the new child alert that flashed on TV a little while ago? It said Child Abduction Alert for all of NC, expires at 11:12pm tomorrow night. Just wondering if it is related to Shaniya, or if this is a different one.
NO! Shaniyas amber alert was crawling at the bottom of my tv until I went to bed last night, but I havent seen it today, and why would one "end" at a certian time? Thanks for the heads up, channel surfing now. Being Veterans day, I have been watching Rambo 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 all day :)

kellync

11-12-2009, 12:11 AM

Do Amber alerts expire? Maybe thats why the time limit?

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 12:11 AM

Yeah, I noticed them looking in that white truck with the bed cover.
But, it looked like a lot of stuff in the bed of that truck. She just gave a quick peak in the bed and in the back seat thru the windows.
IMO - a 5 year old child could be hidden under that stuff or under a seat.
I'm in no way saying she may or may not of been in that particular truck, but I would think they would look a little bit better than that.
JMO

kiki the parrot

11-12-2009, 12:11 AM

O/T a bit, but sad to say, down my way a big deal on the news in the summer was the owner of a trailer park didn't pay the bills, declared bankruptcy so the county was due to stop services....which the renters paid every month to the owner in rent to be paid. The redcross stepped in to cover it. Can you imagine an entire trailer park with no water, sewage or trash services in Florida in the summertime?!

Ugh no... but yes I suppose the arrangement varies. I'd still like to know when this problem began. Assuming it has been a longstanding (or previously experienced) one, all I can say is no baby should be raised in squalor, where raw sewage is backing up in the bathtub or potty isn't working. And the photo can be so misleading, in a pristine white dress. Something smells funky alright...

:parrot:

supergirl

11-12-2009, 12:12 AM

Gosh guys, I don't want another case of a parent doing something horrible to their child, even if it seems that is where this is going. It just irks against every instinct I have as a Mom, to imagine so many evil people in the world, reality or not.

momtective

11-12-2009, 12:14 AM

I wonder if they're using cadaver dogs or just scent dogs. I would think with feces on the blanket the dogs would be able to find her. If the darling had a mouse in her pocket my little pompom could find her...that little pom of mine can sure track a mouse, dead or alive and she always brings them and lays them at my feet...:yuck:
Not making light of this situation in any way...just sayin'

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 12:15 AM

It makes you wonder if some people just don't have that instinct?
I have a hard time believing that.
I do know that stresses of the world sometimes make people snap but there is no excuse EVER for a mother to hurt a child. IMO
It goes against nature.
I can't imagine anybody hurting a child, but a mother???? It's beyond me.

cleo612

11-12-2009, 12:15 AM

Do Amber alerts expire? Maybe thats why the time limit?

Every one that I have ever seen on the TV has an expiration time after 24 hours.

cleo612

11-12-2009, 12:17 AM

It is sad, kelly. I don't even know where to look for NC Child Abduction Alerts online.

I want to know if this is related to Shaniya or if it is yet another baby missing.

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 12:18 AM

I suppose so. I'm wondering which one they are talking about though. The front steps or the back ones.

BTW I love the pic in your sig. I chuckle every time you post and I see it. :crazy:

Thank you.
Sometimes I type really fast trying to portray what I'm thinking.
Sometimes I type like I talk - redneck to the bone. (and proud, might I add)

I used to worry about it all the time, looking :crazy: when I spelled something wrong. So, I figure a disclaimer would fix it.

everyoneneedsavoice

11-12-2009, 12:18 AM

So, it looks like the blanket was recovered before dogs were brought in from info below. The dogs must have been search and not cadaver / decomp as they would have picked up on feces on back porch, at a minimum, right?

Police dogs searched the neighborhood and some nearby woods late Tuesday and didn't pick up Shaniya's scent. Investigators said the dogs would have picked up her trail if she had been walking around the area. (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/)

And

MOORE: Well, about 7:30 that morning, I heard a knock at my door. And I answered the door, and it was a gentleman from the police department asking me about a little 5-year-old girl, had I seen her. And I told him no, I hadn`t seen her. He told me the child`s name and asked me did I know her. And I said, No, I don`t know her. He let me know, like I said, that she was missing and that they were just basically looking for her at the time. (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/11/ng.01.html)

Also...interesting info on search and rescue dogs....What is the difference between a search dog, cadaver dog, decomp dog and a forensic evidence dog?

A "search dog" has little or no training in finding deceased humans. The term "cadaver dog" came about after search and rescue dogs started to be trained to look for expired lost persons and suicides. The term "decomposition dog" better describes how dogs will indicate decomp human scent which includes blood, feces, urine or other material with human scent on it. from http://www.ilpwda.com/faqs.htm

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 12:24 AM

Ok y'all. I gotta go to bed. Work will come early in the morning.
Have a great night.

Praying for Shaniya and all who love her.

seekjustice

11-12-2009, 12:25 AM

I don't see a stranger sticking around long enough to deliberately spread feces on a porch.

cleo612

11-12-2009, 12:27 AM

kelly, I found the website for NC Amber Alerts, but it doesn't look like they have updated it. The only one showing is for Shaniya. Last update was 11/10/09.

supergirl

11-12-2009, 12:28 AM

It's with a heavy heart I go off to bed also. Sick as a dog and my girls expect a chipper Momma to get them off to school and work expects me alert (go figure!).

Hopefully by tomorrow they will find this babygirl, safe. And Haleigh too. And the monsters who hurt children will disappear from the face of the earth...oh dreaming already. nite.

kellync

11-12-2009, 12:29 AM

http://www.nccrimecontrol.org/Index2.cfm?a=000003,000014,000081,001628&AAA=45
As of now, Fayetville PD is the only dept in NC with an alert from what I can find.

momtective

11-12-2009, 12:31 AM

Night girl's...se ya's tomorrow..sleep well and pray for Shaniya,and Lindsey, and all our other missing babies.

nnglas

11-12-2009, 12:39 AM

I saw the Amber alert. It was for a little boy in Raeford? Last seen walking into the woods with a black male.

cleo612

11-12-2009, 12:43 AM

http://www.nccrimecontrol.org/Index2.cfm?a=000003,000014,000081,001628&AAA=45
As of now, Fayetville PD is the only dept in NC with an alert from what I can find.

Yeah, that is the site I found a few minutes ago. sorry, I should have posted the link for you. I am going to bookmark for future (ugh) reference.

This must have been a new one, kelly. the only other thing I can think of is that it is a renewal on Shaniya's, but that is usually done right around the expiration time of the initial alert.

I am baffled now. I will keep checking the site to see if it gets updated tonight or in the morning with anything new.

Thanks for checking into it with me. I just hate that all these babies are going missing--if these people do not want their babies, I would GLADLY take them in and give them more love than they could ever hope to experience.

kellync

11-12-2009, 12:43 AM

For what its worth (FWIW newbies;) weather stinks tomorrow too. raleigh reported the wettest day since 1944!!
http://www.wral.com/weather/story/6401077/

cleo612

11-12-2009, 12:44 AM

I saw the Amber alert. It was for a little boy in Raeford? Last seen walking into the woods with a black male.

Do you know what county that is in? It looks like it is near Fayetteville?

kellync

11-12-2009, 12:47 AM

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/AmberExternalFCServlet?act=retAmberCase&amberId=7035

cleo612

11-12-2009, 12:47 AM

For what its worth (FWIW newbies;) weather stinks tomorrow too. raleigh reported the wettest day since 1944!!
http://www.wral.com/weather/story/6401077/

UGH! I am sick of this rain! It is supposed to rain all day tomorrow here and through part/most of Friday according to the news tonight. It seems to have lightened up a bit tonight, just a heavy drizzle right now, but they said heavy rains for tomorrow morning. We have trees down on some major streets, apparently. I haven't been out of the house since Saturday, but it took my daughter in law over an hour to get home tonight--it usually takes her 15 minutes.

kellync

11-12-2009, 12:50 AM

I live ON the Yadkin river. LOL Luckily I insisted we build on the lot up on the hill, my hubby fought me tooth and nail. He wanted his backyard on the river.. He came home tonight and just looked at me, and instantly I knew he knew. Mommas always right ;)
No picture of this little guy yet missing from raeford, tried to get on their police scanner, but they dont broadcast..

cleo612

11-12-2009, 12:51 AM

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/AmberExternalFCServlet?act=retAmberCase&amberId=7035

OMG, he is just a tiny baby--22 months old. In the woods with a man dressed in all black--they won't find him without heat-sensing helicopter, and they won't put one of those up in this weather.

cleo612

11-12-2009, 12:52 AM

I'm going to start a thread for him.

ETA: Here is the thread for the 22 month old--abducted from Raeford, NC. Justin Damaro Sheppard.

NC--Raeford, Justin Damaro Sheppard, 22 months old - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

kiki the parrot

11-12-2009, 12:56 AM

I believe it's likely either rage incident over potty mishap, or SA. There's no way I believe the soiled discarded blanket and smeared porch are all coincidence to an abduction :rolleyes: Going to sleep soon, prayers for all the angels, the innocent children... :prayer: they are precious in His sight... and in our's too!

:parrot:

littleangel

11-12-2009, 01:04 AM

Do you know what county that is in? It looks like it is near Fayetteville?
Yes it is. Its Hoke county actually. Its about 30 minutes or so outside of fayetteville....

mayelf

11-12-2009, 01:40 AM

here's a link to some things the landlord of the trailer park had said in reference to the case.

http://www.michellesigona.com/2009/11/11/ambert-alert-shaniya-nicole-davis/

Seemingly, do not know how accurate this is from this site, The sister Brenda Davis was renting the apartment with her and her son. Antoinette had her application rejected and only mentioned having a son. There is an infant involved which doesn't specify who the child belongs to. The landlord had no idea they were renting together.

I thought it odd that the mom didn't put the daughter on the application and that the landlord had never seen them living there. It's not looking good.

kellync

11-12-2009, 02:04 AM

I hate to close my eyes on this case, but I cant keep them open anymore. Goodnight everyone, I hope we have answers for Shaniya by the time I wake up. The trash dumps need to be looked at if the trash was picked up Monday, people in that park knew it, and might have disposed of her in that manner. hate to type that, but she isnt home, so she is out there somewhere, and I dont think she is under a trailer in the mobile home park, just my own opinion. Goodnight good people

QuietStorm

11-12-2009, 02:12 AM

Alright, I'll say it. I know I'm not the only one thinking it.
Sexual assault could have killed her. She is only 5. There is a man in that house.
Sexual assault on a 5 year old by a grown adult male would also explain how the feces got on the blanket.

Oh, good lord, I hope not. I had not "gone there" yet. I'd imagined that the child had an accident and was punished too severely. This is much worse. But it does seem to be the 'boyfriend' in many cases.

I am so tired of these children being kidnapped, injured, and murdered. As a group, I hope we can band together and do something to make a difference. But let's leave that for a different thread.

Sheromom

11-12-2009, 02:24 AM

(bbm) OR... she was being carried, lifeless, wrapped in the soiled blanket which brushed along railing causing smearing :( yet another possible scenario.

:parrot:

I hate to admit it, but this was exactly my thought. When we die, we lose control of our bladders and bowels. I just have the bad feeling that she didn't leave home alive. Thanks for saying it first!:blowkiss:

Heroine

11-12-2009, 02:24 AM

Oh Lord, I had not thought of that, but I'm there with you. Not a good feeling in the stomach.

Does anybody know if there are pets in the home? Could explain some of the feces. Maybe the surveillance cameras could answer how in the world it got there in the first place? Is this a front porch or a back porch where maybe the cameras can't see behind the house?

And secondly, if the residents knew there was a surveillance system in the park, why in the world would you carry a body out of that house?

maybe she had an accident and pooped in her pants them she smeared it on the porch causing her parents to punish her in a very bad way. kids do crazy things.

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 02:32 AM

A Clarence Coe has been arrested in connection with Shaniya's disappearance at approximately 11:00 PM tonight. Articles on the news site was updated 11 minutes ago. Not many details at this time.....
Nothing was mentioned about the recovery of Shaniya, so I have to think LE does not have her or a body yet.

WRAL.com

ETA: Coe is being held in the Cumberland County Detention Center without bond.

not_my_kids

11-12-2009, 02:32 AM

ALright, I have to go to bed. I absolutely have to. I'll be back in the morning, hoping for good news.

ETA: Saw the above link, guess I'm staying.

not_my_kids

11-12-2009, 02:36 AM

He is not an RSO, as far as I can tell.

This should give his arrest record.
http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/offendersearch.do?method=list

Since he's been listed as arrested in connection with this crime, it's okay to post his rap sheet, right?

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 02:38 AM

He is not an RSO, as far as I can tell.

Thanks, not_my_kids.

What has he done with Shaniya? More news tomorrow, I guess.

Have a good night!

Sheromom

11-12-2009, 02:39 AM

A Clarence Coe has been arrested in connection with Shaniya's disappearance at approximately 11:00 PM tonight. Articles on the news site was updated 11 minutes ago. Not many details at this time.....
Nothing was mentioned about the recovery of Shaniya, so I have to think LE does not have her or a body yet.

WRAL.com

ETA: Coe is being held in the Cumberland County Detention Center without bond.

Do you have a link? I have to get to bed, too; don't want to without reading the article!!!!

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 02:40 AM

Do you have a link? I have to get to bed, too; don't want to without reading the article!!!!

Shermom, I do not know how to put a link here! I am embarrassed to have to admit that. Sorry!

Just go to WRAL.com and you will see the update.

zinc

11-12-2009, 02:45 AM

Police make arrest in disappearance of Fayetteville girl Shaniya Davis (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/)
Posted: Nov. 11
At about 11 p.m., Clarence Coe, of 211 Brookwood Ave., was arrested and charged with first-degree kidnapping in the disappearance of Shaniya Nicole Davis, police said.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 02:48 AM

Police make arrest in disappearance of Fayetteville girl Shaniya Davis (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/)
Posted: Nov. 11

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

Thanks for putting the link up, zinc. Wasn't that a strange update? There are no details and no mention as to whether or not Shaniya or her body has been recovered.

Was this guy the boyfriend? Geez! I am glad there has been an arrest. Maybe there will be more details tomorrow.

zinc

11-12-2009, 02:56 AM

I agree, very little information. I found another news article with a similar lack of info, but it does say that Shaniya has not yet been found. :(

NC kidnapping suspect arrested, girl still missing (http://www.wlos.com/template/inews_wire/wires.regional.nc/31d390d7-www.wlos.com.shtml)
November 12, 2009 02:30 EST
Police say they've arrested a North Carolina a man in the disappearance of a 5-year-old girl but are still looking for the child.
http://www.wlos.com/template/inews_wire/wires.regional.nc/31d390d7-www.wlos.com.shtml

Btw LaLaw2000, you can post a link just by copying the address from your web browser and pasting it into a post box.

QuietStorm

11-12-2009, 03:23 AM

I don't know if this is the same person, but I found this on the web: http://www.aegis.com/news/wsj/2004/WJ040103.html

One patient who has had to wait is Clarence Coe, 24, a Fayetteville, N.C., construction worker who had to forgo his treatment on another AIDS drug combination for more than two months. He started getting treatment while in prison, where people receive free health care. But after his release, couldn't afford to continue it. He didn't have health insurance and the state wasn't taking new patients in its AIDS Drug Assistance Program, so it put him on a waiting list. Mr. Coe says he took multivitamin pills and cut down on fatty food while waiting for the antiretroviral medicines. "I can't afford to stress my immune system any more than I need to," he says...

Mr. Coe, the construction worker, is one of those with options, but they didn't pan out right away. Mr. Coe was serving a 15-month prison sentence until July for robbing a restaurant. Though he learned he was HIV-positive five years ago, he didn't begin HIV medicines until March, when he felt the disease wearing on him. By then, his CD4-cell count, which indicates the health of a person's immune system, had fallen to 205. A count below 200 means the infection has developed into actual AIDS.

Mr. Coe's count climbed back to nearly 300 while receiving a standard cocktail of three HIV drugs through the prison's health-care system. He started exercising, finished his high-school degree and made plans to stay healthy upon his release. "I don't want to go down that way," he says. "You carry yourself differently once you feel you've got something in your body fighting for you."

The prison gave him a 30-day supply of drugs when he was released. When that ran out, he brought his prescription to a pharmacy, thinking he was covered by ADAP. But the pharmacist told him the computer didn't show he was approved. The AIDS Drug Assistance Program had stopped accepting new patients a week and a half before. "I was so upset I couldn't even finish my sentences," Mr. Coe says. "I just walked out."

A couple of weeks later, Mr. Coe went back to see his doctor at an HIV outreach clinic in Salemburg, a farming town in eastern North Carolina. After nearly two months without medicine, Mr. Coe's CD4 count had dropped back to 227 and virus levels in his system had surged. He fretted about his stuffed nose, sore throat and risk of taking a break from the drugs.

"You definitely are ready for pills," said Rafael Torres, his doctor, as he checked Mr. Coe's nose and throat. Later that day, the clinic sent applications to Mr. Coe's HIV caseworker to submit to drug-company charity programs. Though one drug arrived within a couple of weeks, he couldn't begin the regimen until the others arrived a few weeks later. By then, early November, he had gone without medicines for about three months.

nostoneunturned

11-12-2009, 03:31 AM

Liberty Education Forum
Clarence Coe, a Fayetteville, N.C. construction worker, started on HIV treatment ... ADAP funding has forced people like Clarence Coe to take drugs and abruptly stop ...
www.libertyeducationforum.org/pages/HW_hiv_aids1.html - Cached
Clifford

QuietStorm

11-12-2009, 03:36 AM

http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0719212&searchLastName=Coe&searchFirstName=Clarence&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1

Not sure if it's the same person but there is a record of a Clarence Coe who was arrested in NC for assault on a woman (served 4 months, was out 8/2009) and before that, several sentences for breaking and entering. I'm not sure how to read these prison records or I'd be more clear and sure of what I am posting. It looks like he had several aliases and also goes by the name Clarence Coe Williams. Wish I knew if this was him.

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 03:36 AM

OMG, QuietStorm!

It would be a tremendous coincidence if there are two with exactly the same name.

Aids? That makes this guy a very dangerous person as well as the fact that he is an armed robber.

I want to know more, and I want to know now. There had to be a valid reason to arrest him and charge him with Shaniya's kidnapping and disappearance.

He had better not have molested Shaniya. :furious::furious:

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 03:42 AM

http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0719212&searchLastName=Coe&searchFirstName=Clarence&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1

Not sure if it's the same person but there is a record of a Clarence Coe who was arrested in NC for assault on a woman.

Thanks, QuietStorm.

This POS has quite a record. I have to wonder why he was even out on the street. I see that assault on a female. Why no pic of him?

I was looking on the Sheriff's site and the Detention Center site for a booking record and booking photo but with no luck.

I am so looking forward to hearing more; hopefully tomorrow.

QuietStorm

11-12-2009, 03:50 AM

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Thanks, QuietStorm.

This POS has quite a record. I have to wonder why he was even out on the street. I see that assault on a female. Why no pic of him?

I was looking on the Sheriff's site and the Detention Center site for a booking record and booking photo but with no luck.

I am so looking forward to hearing more; hopefully tomorrow.

Yes, and if he is the boyfriend of Shaniya's mother or knew the family. The news article said the newly arrested Coe is being held in a Cumberland County Detention Center, same county where the Clarence Coe on the NC prison website committed the assault on a woman.

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 03:53 AM

:furious::furious:

I may sound cruel, but I do not give a flip if this guy gets his medical treatment for HIV or not. While he was in the system, his medical cost to the tax payers was probably anywhere from $1,200.00 to $1,500.00 per month and more. All paid by the tax payers.

When I was working at the jail/detention center, you could send the HIV inmate to a state facility once he/she was sentenced. That would get the inmate out of the parish/county facility, then the state would have to pay for the medical treatment: IE: taxpayers again.

With HIV and an extensive record, I guess this POS did whatever he wanted to do and feeling he had nothing to lose.

IF this is the same one arrested in Shaniya's case, and I think it is.

MOO

QuietStorm

11-12-2009, 04:03 AM

:furious::furious:

I may sound cruel, but I do not give a flip if this guy gets his medical treatment for HIV or not. While he was in the system, his medical cost to the tax payers was probably anywhere from $1,200.00 to $1,500.00 per month and more. All paid by the tax payers.

When I was working at the jail/detention center, you could send the HIV inmate to a state facility once he/she was sentenced. That would get the inmate out of the parish/county facility, then the state would have to pay for the medical treatment: IE: taxpayers again.

With HIV and an extensive record, I guess this POS did whatever he wanted to do and feeling he had nothing to lose. I don't see him on the sex offender list.

IF this is the same one arrested in Shaniya's case, and I think it is.

MOO

I think it is too. I edited my earlier post to add that both Coes have connections to Cumberland County, NC and detention and correctional facilities.

QuietStorm

11-12-2009, 04:13 AM

:furious::furious:

I may sound cruel, but I do not give a flip if this guy gets his medical treatment for HIV or not. While he was in the system, his medical cost to the tax payers was probably anywhere from $1,200.00 to $1,500.00 per month and more. All paid by the tax payers.

When I was working at the jail/detention center, you could send the HIV inmate to a state facility once he/she was sentenced. That would get the inmate out of the parish/county facility, then the state would have to pay for the medical treatment: IE: taxpayers again.

With HIV and an extensive record, I guess this POS did whatever he wanted to do and feeling he had nothing to lose.

IF this is the same one arrested in Shaniya's case, and I think it is.

MOO

The AIDS article was written about 5 years ago and his age was listed at 24, so he would be about 29 now. The prison record lists his age as 30, so this could be the person. CNN just ran a short article about the arrest, but nothing new and no picture.

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 07:18 AM

Good morning y'all.
Here are a couple of articles I found this morning regarding the arrest of Clarence Coe last night in connection with Shaniya's dissappearance.

http://www.thesunnews.com/564/story/1162811.html

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/ (has pic of Coe)

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 07:24 AM

Not much info yet on this POS. I'd like to know if he is mom's boyfriend or a stranger.
I'm leaning more to the fact he is the boyfriend. I don't see how a stranger could take Shaniya in that tiny little trailer without anybody hearing it.

athy

11-12-2009, 07:38 AM

according to WRAL there is to be a news conference at 8:30 to give public an update

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 07:39 AM

News conference at 8:30 a.m. this morning.

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 07:40 AM

Is NC in eastern time zone???
I'm not good at the time zone thing.

So, If I'm in central, I need to look for it at 7:30???

athy

11-12-2009, 07:44 AM

Is NC in eastern time zone???
I'm not good at the time zone thing.

So, If I'm in central, I need to look for it at 7:30???

yes NC is eastern time zone

momtective

11-12-2009, 07:52 AM

A Clarence Coe has been arrested in connection with Shaniya's disappearance at approximately 11:00 PM tonight. Articles on the news site was updated 11 minutes ago. Not many details at this time.....
Nothing was mentioned about the recovery of Shaniya, so I have to think LE does not have her or a body yet.

WRAL.com

ETA: Coe is being held in the Cumberland County Detention Center without bond.

OMG what did he do with her? How did he get her? I have so many questions and I won't be here til later today to watch this unfold but I'll be checking in on my blackberry. Y'all keep me updated with your excellent posts. TIA

momtective

11-12-2009, 07:59 AM

http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx
or http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx and enter name
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/coe.jpg

noelle91176

11-12-2009, 08:07 AM

The POS mentioned above must be the same clarence, because:
the aids article (written: January 13, 2004) states:

http://www.libertyeducationforum.org/pages/HW_hiv_aids1.html

<snipped>
Mr. Coe, the construction worker, is one of those with options, but they didn't pan out right away. Mr. Coe was serving a 15-month prison sentence until July for robbing a restaurant.

this means this Coe should have been released from jail in July 2003 for a robbery and the record for this Coe shows:

http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0719212&searchLastName=Coe&searchFirstName=Clarence&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1

Sentence Number: BA-001 Commitment Type: INMATE
Conviction Date: 05/14/2002 County Of Conviction: CUMBERLAND
Service Status: EXPIRED Sentence Begin Date: 05/14/2002
Actual Release Date: 07/15/2003
Punishment Type: ACTIVE SS Projected Release Date: 07/15/2003
Sentence Type 1: DEPT OF CORR DIV OF PRISONS
Minimum Term: 1 YEAR 3 MONTHS Maximum Term: 1 YEAR 6 MONTHS

INITIAL 01054657 COMMON LAW ROBBERY (PRINCIPAL) 04/20/2001 FELON CLASS G
CONSOLIDATED FOR JUDGMENT 01063108 COMMON LAW ROBBERY (PRINCIPAL) 10/06/2001 FELON CLASS G

momtective

11-12-2009, 08:11 AM

No birth info on anything! Can someone who has more time and more resources than I, find a birth date so we can shoot this over to our astros? TIA

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 08:13 AM

Not much info yet on this POS. I'd like to know if he is mom's boyfriend or a stranger.
I'm leaning more to the fact he is the boyfriend. I don't see how a stranger could take Shaniya in that tiny little trailer without anybody hearing it.

Kimberlyd125, I am wondering if this Coe guy is the mothers' boyfriend also. What makes me think he might be is that the articles state that the boyfriend was there, but no name and no mention of him having been talked to. I just hope and pray this guy with HIV did not molest Shaniya. I am so afraid for her.

(now jumping off your post)

One thing I am sure of is that no one broke into that home without everyone inside knowing it. Any metal door is going to make a sound when opening.

I am so disgusted with the fact that the sewage problem was so bad that the occupants were not even allowed to go back into the mobile home. It had to be really bad. And as it was a rental, the owners would have had to fix it. I just do not understand.

This beautiful child did not have to die. (none of them do) I hope all of those children are taken away because of the condition the respective mothers had them living in.

I am furious! :furious:

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 08:16 AM

OMG what did he do with her? How did he get her? I have so many questions and I won't be here til later today to watch this unfold but I'll be checking in on my blackberry. Y'all keep me updated with your excellent posts. TIA

momtective, I don't know what he did with Shaniya, but he must not be telling LE where she is. That makes me fear the worst.

Hurry back!

momtective

11-12-2009, 08:19 AM

momtective, I don't know what he did with Shaniya, but he must not be telling LE where she is. That makes me fear the worst.

Hurry back!

I've got about 20 min. then I have to get up and get outta here...much stuff to be done today.

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 08:20 AM

http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx
or http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx and enter name
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/coe.jpg

I see that this POS bond has been set. The very first article announcing his arrest stated he was being held without bond.

He is a sick looking POS, IMO. He better start talking and allow LE to locate Shaniya!

I am so mad! :furious:

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 08:27 AM

Is there gonna be a live feed to presser?

momtective

11-12-2009, 08:27 AM

I've searched everywhere I know to look for a DOB...can't find one.

momtective

11-12-2009, 08:29 AM

Is there gonna be a live feed to presser?

http://www.wral.com/news/video/1082826/
This may or may not be it.

LLLindsayy

11-12-2009, 08:33 AM

"They did locate some things there at the trailer park inclusive of what the mother indicated what the child was wearing," Thompson said.

http://www.thesunnews.com/564/story/1162811.html

Am I reading correctly that they located the clothes she was wearing?
Or is this old news and I'm just catching it?

justbeachy

11-12-2009, 08:35 AM

I'm always so nervous when I first log in. I really don't want to see "Found Deceased" by this precious little girl's name. I don't have good feelings about this one, though. I'm off to read up on all the stuff I missed yesterday evening...

PoppyH

11-12-2009, 08:36 AM

"They did locate some things there at the trailer park inclusive of what the mother indicated what the child was wearing," Thompson said.

http://www.thesunnews.com/564/story/1162811.html

Am I reading correctly that they located the clothes she was wearing?
Or is this old news and I'm just catching it?

Sounds like they may have located some or all of her clothing, maybee her undies or her nitie

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 08:37 AM

I'm not finding live coverage of press conf anywhere.

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 08:39 AM

Man! I cannot find a live link except for the weather at WRAL!

My granddaughter lives in Fayetteville and is stationed at Pope AFB. Her husband (my grandson-in-law) was stationed at Ft. Bragg and deployed to Afganistan last month. She called last night and we discussed Shaniya being missing. She said she would help search Saturday if she had not been located before then. She is with Security Forces (military police).

Let's hope this PC this morning will be good news as to where Shaniya is! Prayers here for Shaniya!!!!

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 08:39 AM

Oh, they pushed the time back to later this morning.

ETA: Reporter just said that on wral news video.

momtective

11-12-2009, 08:39 AM

Presser has been pushed back. No time given.

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 08:41 AM

I wonder if that means they were gonna bring public up to date on what they had so far, but since then there has been new developments they are working on.

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 08:44 AM

I keep thinking about the neighbor that heard someone beating on a wall at 3:00 am.
That's when this had to happen (whatever happened)
So why is mom's timeline starting at 5:30.
This makes me think she was gonna try to cover for the POS that did this. She may have even been in on it.
I think the statements from the 7 yo might have been what broke this case. IMO

I think Mom was gonna cover, 7 yo told all.

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 08:44 AM

Oh, they pushed the time back to later this morning.

ETA: Reporter just said that on wral news video.

Pushed the time to later? I do not know if this is a good indication or not. Prayers for Shaniya!

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 08:45 AM

Article said POS was arrested at his house, about 4 miles from Shaniya's home. So, I'm thinking they may find her somewhere along that 4 mile route.

not_my_kids

11-12-2009, 08:46 AM

I don't like the fact that they moved the presser. We are likely about to hear some very bad news.

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 08:47 AM

Pushed the time to later? I do not know if this is a good indication or not. Prayers for Shaniya!

I KNOW!!!
I'm thinking he may have told them where to find her and they are working that. I hate to think they are recovering a body. I was so in hopes she would be ok. But I have doubted that since all this started.

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 08:49 AM

The $100,000 bond has me puzzled too.
Why would they set a bond on this? She hasn't even been found yet. I don't understand that at all.
IMO if you are suspected of harm to a child, you should be held without bond.

AmandaReckonwith

11-12-2009, 08:49 AM

My guess is a dumpster along the way from the Davis home to the Coe home. I think Mom knows what happened inside the home.

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 08:51 AM

Article said POS was arrested at his house, about 4 miles from Shaniya's home. So, I'm thinking they may find her somewhere along that 4 mile route.

I tried looking up the address on the live map and could not locate the actual house this POS lived in. It did not look to be a very good neighborhood.

The ariel (sp.) view of the area where Shania's MH was located showed a wooded area nearby as well as a small pond. If this POS lived alone, tho, I am inclined to think he would have taken her to his house, then hid her nearby. IDK!

I am anxious to hear the PC!

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 08:51 AM

My guess is a dumpster along the way from the Davis home to the Coe home. I think Mom knows what happened inside the home.

ITA -how could she not. Walls in trailers are paper thin. No sound barrier. Walking on the floors make noise. Opening a door would make noise. There is no way that this happened without EVERYONE in that home being aware of it. IMO this includes the aunt. Why are they all covering for this POS?

ETA: Maybe they are not still covering for him, but IMO they covered for him when they made the report that Shaniya was missing.
I still say it happened around 3:00 am and mom said she was fine at 5:30.

justbeachy

11-12-2009, 08:51 AM

Well I certainly missed a lot last night! I have a feeling they are trying to locate a body before they have the press conference. There are so many things about this case that pi$$ me off, but very high at the top of the list is that it *appears* that the mother was covering for this POS. Clearly (at least IMO), something happened to Shaniya around 3 a.m. which means the mom (and I use that term loosely) was telling a BIG FAT LIE about putting that precious baby girl on the couch at 5:30. I hope they throw the book at her, too.

justbeachy

11-12-2009, 08:54 AM

The $100,000 bond has me puzzled too.
Why would they set a bond on this? She hasn't even been found yet. I don't understand that at all.
IMO if you are suspected of harm to a child, you should be held without bond.

Hmm...unless maybe the MOM did it and he was covering for her. Maybe he is spilling the beans on her and that is why they are setting a bond for him. If he didn't actually do the killing, but was involved in the coverup? Maybe the mom snapped, hurt/killed the baby, and she got this guy to help her after the fact. Otherwise, I have no idea why they would set a bond for him. Seems like he should be held w/o bond if he actually participated in the abduction/murder.

momtective

11-12-2009, 08:55 AM

Coes possible home
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1116+Sleepy+Hollow+Fayetteville+NC&daddr=3234+Claude+St++Fayetteville,+NC+28303-3932&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=35.077694,-78.932901&sspn=0.008218,0.01929&g=3234+Claude+St++Fayetteville,+NC+28303-3932&ie=UTF8&ll=35.090487,-78.918056&spn=0.032868,0.077162&z=14

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 08:55 AM

The $100,000 bond has me puzzled too.
Why would they set a bond on this? She hasn't even been found yet. I don't understand that at all.
IMO if you are suspected of harm to a child, you should be held without bond.

The first article last night stated Coe was being held without bond. They sure got one set very early this morning.

And I so agree with you, kimberlyd125. There should be no bond.

daisy7

11-12-2009, 08:57 AM

Is it confirmed that he is the boyfriend?

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 08:59 AM

I have his address as 211 Brookwood

momtective

11-12-2009, 08:59 AM

Hope they search this area...I'm outta here now.:crazy:
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/pond.jpg

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 09:00 AM

Is it confirmed that he is the boyfriend?

Not confirmed, but suspected by us.
They mentioned a boyfriend was being questined yesterday but we never heard his name.
Now this arrest. So we are just figureing it is the BF.

Maybe not.

momtective

11-12-2009, 09:00 AM

I have his address as 211 Brookwood

Sorry, I may have had moms or sisters...a veromi relative.
here is map link to Brookwood http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1116+Sleepy+Hollow+Fayetteville+NC&daddr=211+Brookwood+Fayetteville,+NC+28303-3932&geocode=FVGaFwId_79L-ykNpaf1fWyriTGy6Gn_wqZpRw%3B&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=35.089504,-78.916297&sspn=0.016434,0.038581&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=14

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 09:01 AM

ETA: Sorry wrong link.

not_my_kids

11-12-2009, 09:07 AM

Those that are offended by prayer, please skip:

Lord, I come before you with hope, in a situation that should be beyond hope. I come to you in faith, in a situation that defies it. I pray that you will deliver Shaniya; if her time here is done, lift her to your side, and if her time on Earth is not done, deliver her to the competent hands of those searching for her. May Your justice prevail over those that have sought or succeeded in bringing harm to this child.
Amen.

MommyInHighHeels

11-12-2009, 09:11 AM

After reading 14 pages, I am finally caught up.

Updated

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

"Around 11 p.m., police arrested Clarence Darriel Coe, 30, of 211 Brookwood Ave., and charged him with first-degree kidnapping in the disappearance of Shaniya Nicole Davis, who is still missing, police said.

Detectives have not released any information about his alleged connection to Shaniya's disappearance. Coe's home on Brookwood Avenue is about 4 miles from the girl's house."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/6401898/

Patty G

11-12-2009, 09:16 AM

ITA -how could she not. Walls in trailers are paper thin. No sound barrier. Walking on the floors make noise. Opening a door would make noise.

IMO, it is very possible for someone to enter a mobile home without anyone hearing them. The floors in mobile homes are solid and unless a door needs to be "oiled", the doors don't squeek. Some homes may have carpeting which would act as a sound barrier.

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 09:17 AM

Ok, I gotta go get ready for work. Supposed to be there in 15 minutes and I'm still sitting here with wet hair. lol
I'm gonna try to check in on and off thruout the day.

Y'all have a great one.

Praying for Shaniya and all who love her.

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 09:19 AM

IMO, it is very possible for someone to enter a mobile home without anyone hearing them. The floors in mobile homes are solid and unless a door needs to be "oiled", the doors don't squeek. Some homes may have carpeting which would act as a sound barrier.

Good morning Patty G.

IMO some of the newer mobile homes may have more solid floors but this one looks 30 years old or so. I do not think when you walk on those floors they would sound solid.
I live in one as a child and can remember the sound it makes when walking in it.

ETA: most residences that are off the ground have the same effect. Older raised homes on piers have the same issue.

MommyInHighHeels

11-12-2009, 09:21 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,574402,00.html?test=latestnews

"Lt. Alex Thompson said investigators are still searching Shaniya Davis. The child was reported missing from her home just before 7 a.m. Tuesday.

Her mother said she last saw Shaniya around 5:30 a.m.

Thompson said investigators aren't yet saying how or if Coe knew the child."

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 09:22 AM

IMO, it is very possible for someone to enter a mobile home without anyone hearing them. The floors in mobile homes are solid and unless a door needs to be "oiled", the doors don't squeek. Some homes may have carpeting which would act as a sound barrier.

Hi, Patty G!

I would agree with you if this was a newer MH, but it looks rather old and not too well taken care of. The door would not be totally silent, IMO.

As small as the MH is, I still rather doubt that anyone could have entered and taken a small child out without disturbing the other occupants.

JMO

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 09:24 AM

Ok, I gotta go get ready for work. Supposed to be there in 15 minutes and I'm still sitting here with wet hair. lol
I'm gonna try to check in on and off thruout the day.

Y'all have a great one.

Praying for Shaniya and all who love her.

You have a good day at work, Kimberlyd125! Great weather here in Louisiana for a change, isn't it?

Prayers here also for Shaniya!

MommyInHighHeels

11-12-2009, 09:25 AM

http://news14.com/charlotte-news-104-content/top_stories/617464/arrested-made-in-missing-girl-case-though-child-not-found

"A media briefing is expected soon. Stay tuned for details."

Kimberlyd125

11-12-2009, 09:28 AM

You have a good day at work, Kimberlyd125! Great weather here in Louisiana for a change, isn't it?

Prayers here also for Shaniya!

It's just beautiful!!!!
Too bad we don't get much of this kind of weather.

So, enjoy it while it last. LOL

SuziQ

11-12-2009, 09:33 AM

Hope they search this area...I'm outta here now.:crazy:
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/keinshatten/pond.jpg

And Clarks pond comes right up to the road.

QuietStorm

11-12-2009, 09:34 AM

Good morning y'all.
Here are a couple of articles I found this morning regarding the arrest of Clarence Coe last night in connection with Shaniya's dissappearance.

http://www.thesunnews.com/564/story/1162811.html

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/ (has pic of Coe)

He is the same guy I was reading about last night, then. Not sure of the AIDS article but the correctional records fit. How very tragic.

Patty G

11-12-2009, 09:37 AM

Hi, Patty G!

I would agree with you if this was a newer MH, but it looks rather old and not too well taken care of. The door would not be totally silent, IMO.

As small as the MH is, I still rather doubt that anyone could have entered and taken a small child out without disturbing the other occupants.

JMO

Mine was built in 1961 and is in beautiful condition with an add-on. The floors are very solid. If someone comes through my front door which is on the add-on side, and I am on the original side, I can't hear them coming in the door when I am fully awake. I have to rely on my little dog to let me know when someone is approaching my house. :)

My son is over 250 pounds and when he walks on my floors they don't squeak.

With all the people living in that home, IMO, someone had to be sleeping in the living room, perhaps on a sofa bed as there isn't enough bedrooms to house all the people living in that small home.

MommyInHighHeels

11-12-2009, 09:38 AM

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/breaking/story/1051240.html

""Detectives have not released any personal information about Coe or any potential relationship" between he and the child, Thompson said."

""They did locate some things there at the trailer park inclusive of what the mother indicated what the child was wearing," Thompson said."

SailorMoon

11-12-2009, 09:39 AM

Can someone give me a quick recap? Just hearing of it, I know 5 yo missing, supposed blanket found in the trash with feces, gone from a mobile home. Good gravy. Another lil one missing. I'll scan the news quickly. Thanks.

belimom

11-12-2009, 09:43 AM

Just realized that feces was on the blanket but no mention of blood. In the case of a violent sexual attack (:() or murder, I would think there would be blood. This gives me a little hope - just a little - that maybe this poor child is still alive somewhere. Of course, there's always blunt force trauma, drugs, and a myriad of other things. But I do wonder about the absence of blood on this blanket. Maybe that's why there are only kidnapping charges at this point.

ETA: I think that either this guy is the BF or a friend of the BF's, who was there for nefarious reasons - maybe even something to do with having access to a child. Makes me sick to my stomach...

swanniee11

11-12-2009, 09:46 AM

Is this the guy?

http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0719212&searchLastName=coe&searchFirstName=clarence&searchMiddleName=d&searchGender=M&searchRace=2&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1

I hope I'm allowed to post this.

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 09:47 AM

Mine was built in 1961 and is in beautiful condition with an add-on. The floors are very solid. If someone comes through my front door which is on the add-on side, and I am on the original side, I can't hear them coming in the door when I am fully awake. I have to rely on my little dog to let me know when someone is approaching my house. :)

My son is over 250 pounds and when he walks on my floors they don't squeak.

With all the people living in that home, IMO, someone had to be sleeping in the living room, perhaps on a sofa bed as there isn't enough bedrooms to house all the people living in that small home.

I have no doubt that your home is in beautiful condition, Patty G! I am sure you would keep it that way.

There are some very beautiful manufactured homes in Florida that even have the concrete patios and so forth. The areas are extremely nice. But the one where Shaniya lives or lived (ugh) is up off the ground and not well maintained. It is just my firm opinion that no one could go into that small a home and no one hear it.

I am willing to admit I could be wrong, tho!!

:blushing:

not_my_kids

11-12-2009, 09:48 AM

Is this the guy?

http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0719212&searchLastName=coe&searchFirstName=clarence&searchMiddleName=d&searchGender=M&searchRace=2&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1

I hope I'm allowed to post this.

Yup that's him. rap sheet as long as my arm. I linked last night and it's still there, so I think it's okay.

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 09:50 AM

Is this the guy?

http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0719212&searchLastName=coe&searchFirstName=clarence&searchMiddleName=d&searchGender=M&searchRace=2&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1

I hope I'm allowed to post this.

Yes, that is him. His record was posted a couple of pages back by SilentStorm. It is a quite extensive record, isn't it?

I do not think he will make bail. At least I am fervently hoping he cannot.

ETA: Sorry, not_my_kids! I thought it was SilentStorm that linked the POS' record!!!

BeanE

11-12-2009, 09:51 AM

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/breaking/story/1051240.html

""Detectives have not released any personal information about Coe or any potential relationship" between he and the child, Thompson said."

""They did locate some things there at the trailer park inclusive of what the mother indicated what the child was wearing," Thompson said."

BBM

Oh dear God, no. Praying so hard for this little angel.

not_my_kids

11-12-2009, 09:52 AM

Maybe if there had been a suitable number of people living in the home, it would have been possible to get in and out silently. Not when there are 6 people living there.

I know, I admitted last night to living in the same basic setup, but it was only for less than a week, while the crime scene techs were digging bullets out of my trailer and the park was getting it ready for us to move back to ours. The emergency situation was approved by the park, too, so they knew there were 6 of us in one trailer.

So, in an older style trailer that does not appear well maintained, I'm just not seeing it. Not to mention, LE knows that all speculation is aimed at the mother. Not just here, but everywhere. If she could prove she wasn't involved, they would have publicly cleared her by now.

not_my_kids

11-12-2009, 09:54 AM

Yes, that is him. His record was posted a couple of pages back by SilentStorm. It is a quite extensive record, isn't it?

I do not think he will make bail. At least I am fervently hoping he cannot.

ETA: Sorry, not_my_kids! I thought it was SilentStorm that linked the POS' record!!!

Not nitpicking. I was just saying, If mine is still there, it must be alright.
I think it is, since he has been arrested for kidnapping her. His rap sheet disgusts me.

QuietStorm

11-12-2009, 09:54 AM

Yes, that is him. His record was posted a couple of pages back by SilentStorm. It is a quite extensive record, isn't it?

I do not think he will make bail. At least I am fervently hoping he cannot.

ETA: Sorry, not_my_kids! I thought it was SilentStorm that linked the POS' record!!!

I did as well. Also the AIDS article. Last night when all were sleeping but I wasn't the only one.

AmandaReckonwith

11-12-2009, 09:55 AM

If he is 24 now, he started his criminal record/jail time at 15, no?

jnTexas

11-12-2009, 09:55 AM

Incarceration Status: INACTIVE Total Incarceration Term: 4 MONTHS 5 DAYS
Conviction Date: 04/22/2009 Projected Release Date: 08/15/2009
Primary Crime: ASSAULT ON FEMALE (PRINCIPAL) Crime Type: MISD.
Special Characteristics: REGULAR
Admission Date: 04/28/2009 Admitting Location: NEUSE CI
Control Status: REGULAR POPULATION Next Control Review: UNKNOWN
Custody Classification: MINIMUM 1 Next Custody Review: 11/01/2009
Number Of Infractions: 0 Last Infraction Date: N/A
Current Location: CUMBERLAND COUNTY Previous Location: MCCAIN HOSPITAL
Last Movement : EXPIRATION Last Movement Date: 08/15/2009

does that mean he was just released 11/1/2009?

ETA: nevermind I reread it looks like he let out 8/15/09 so the POS served 4 months for assualt on a woman.

belimom

11-12-2009, 09:57 AM

If he is 24 now, he started his criminal record/jail time at 15, no?

I think he's 30 now.

not_my_kids

11-12-2009, 09:58 AM

Yeah, he's 30. So he started getting caught about 21.

SuziQ

11-12-2009, 09:58 AM

Looks like he was released in August and was scheduled for a review of somesort on Nov 1st.

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 09:59 AM

I did as well. Also the AIDS article.

Yes, and you provided some very interesting reading! I suppose this POS will now be getting his HIV medication at the expense of Cumberland County. That should run anywhere from $1,200.00 to $1,500.00 per month or more.

:furious:

AmandaReckonwith

11-12-2009, 09:59 AM

I think he's 30 now.

You are right. He was 24 in the AIDS article. TY.

jnTexas

11-12-2009, 10:01 AM

Looks like he was released in August and was scheduled for a review of somesort on Nov 1st.

Anybody know what McCain correctional hospital means? thats where he was released from. is itia mental health hospital?

QuietStorm

11-12-2009, 10:01 AM

If he is 24 now, he started his criminal record/jail time at 15, no? He is 30 now.

swanniee11

11-12-2009, 10:02 AM

Yeah, he's 30. So he started getting caught about 21.

He could have been in trouble in his younger years and those records are sealed. IMO.... Just a thought

jnTexas

11-12-2009, 10:02 AM

Yes, and you provided some very interesting reading! I suppose this POS will now be getting his HIV medication at the expense of Cumberland County. That should run anywhere from $1,200.00 to $1,500.00 per month or more.

:furious:

That would explain why he was housed in the McCain correction hospital before.

not_my_kids

11-12-2009, 10:02 AM

MCain Correctional
http://www.doc.state.nc.us/dop/prisons/mccain.htm

McCain Correctional Hospital serves as the minimum custody health care center for adult male inmates.

The facility first opened in 1908 as the state's first tuberculosis sanatorium in an area now known as McCain in Cumberland County (reformed as Hoke County in 1911). The name changed to McCain Hospital in 1973 and was placed under the Department of Health and Human Services. The property was deeded over to the Division of Prisons in October 1983. The name then became McCain Correctional Hospital. There is a significant health care component reflected in the facility and staffing. The correctional hospital has both acute care and skilled nursing care beds with the medical ancillary services of laboratory, x-ray, respiratory therapy and pharmacy. There is a medical staff of more than 135 persons including four full-time physicians. There are 60 acute, skilled nursing and infirmary beds, plus, on a separate floor, 222 beds dedicated to the disabled, elderly and others whose medical condition requires a nursing home-type environment.

Must not have needed a nursing home environment that bad. He was still capable of this. Another one that played the system at the cost of a child.

jnTexas

11-12-2009, 10:03 AM

He could have been in trouble in his younger years and those records are sealed. IMO.... Just a thought

and possibly in juvie till 21 therefore no record before that. I don't think this guy just up and starting at 21.

momma0f4

11-12-2009, 10:06 AM

IMO, it is very possible for someone to enter a mobile home without anyone hearing them. The floors in mobile homes are solid and unless a door needs to be "oiled", the doors don't squeek. Some homes may have carpeting which would act as a sound barrier.

I totally agree with you, I am renting a mobile home right now which I think is 25 years old! Its been rented for years, so the condition isn't great although we have done a lot of fixing up while we live here till we move on our property.
Anyhow, Ours is a 3 bedroom and when I am in the bedroom on the end I cannot hear anyone knock on the door, bang on the door, anything! Several people have told me they banged and banged cause they knew I was home and I didn't hear anything what so ever.
I won't even take a shower unless hubby is here because I know that I would have no chance of hearing someone walk through the door.
As much as it creeps me out to say this, I believe someone could walk through my front door and take one of my children if I am in bed.

MommyInHighHeels

11-12-2009, 10:08 AM

The fact that LE never released the name of the BF leads me to believe this could very well be Clarence Coe, or at the very least he is someone who has visited the home socially. I am interested in knowing who else lives at the Brookwood address, since it seems the BF was living with mom, I doubt the BF kept a home on his own, maybe a family member's home? The BF had to go somewhere once their home was declared uninhabitable. I also want to know if the video cameras lead them to their suspect or something else.

not_my_kids

11-12-2009, 10:11 AM

They seem to have found her clothes, along with any evidence of a forensic value that was on them.
He has enough felonies, so I am sure his DNA is on record...

But then I can't say that for sure, because he is only charged with kidnapping, so it might be from the video or from the 7 year old.

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 10:12 AM

I agree with you, MommyInHighHeels. And I am so anxious for the PC!

Patty G

11-12-2009, 10:16 AM

I have no doubt that your home is in beautiful condition, Patty G! I am sure you would keep it that way.

There are some very beautiful manufactured homes in Florida that even have the concrete patios and so forth. The areas are extremely nice. But the one where Shaniya lives or lived (ugh) is up off the ground and not well maintained. It is just my firm opinion that no one could go into that small a home and no one hear it.

I am willing to admit I could be wrong, tho!!

:blushing:

I know it sounds like I am trying to defend mobile homes; just trying to explain that mobile homes are more solid then what is perceived.

All mobile homes are off the ground and sit on cinder-blocks. Some might be sitting on top of a slab, but the mobile home itself sits on cinder-blocks in order to level the home as the wheels are still attached to the steel frame underneath.

"Modular" prefabricated manufactured homes that are placed on a foundation and have no wheels.

I agree with you that it seems impossible for someone to enter Shaniya's home without being heard. I feel someone had to be sleeping in that living room because of lack of sleeping quarters.

jnTexas

11-12-2009, 10:16 AM

The fact that LE never released the name of the BF leads me to believe this could very well be Clarence Coe, or at the very least he is someone who has visited the home socially. I am interested in knowing who else lives at the Brookwood address, since it seems the BF was living with mom, I doubt the BF kept a home on his own, maybe a family member's home? The BF had to go somewhere once their home was declared uninhabitable. I also want to know if the video cameras lead them to their suspect or something else.

That is what I'm thinking either he is the BF or maybe exBF.

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 10:17 AM

They seem to have found her clothes, along with any evidence of a forensic value that was on them.
He has enough felonies, so I am sure his DNA is on record...

But then I can't say that for sure, because he is only charged with kidnapping, so it might be from the video or from the 7 year old.

One thing about it is that the charges can always be upgraded, not_my_kids!

I imagine the DNA testing would take several days even if moved up on the list at the Crime Lab.

JMO

Isabelle

11-12-2009, 10:20 AM

Yes indeed and if LE is relying on the dogs to find this baby I would suggest some officers get down on their bellies and start crawling under that trailer! If she didn't leave the house...then she's still in the house...or under it!

Did the dogs go into the home?

If they did not hit on her scent, then maybe she was never there!

not_my_kids

11-12-2009, 10:21 AM

He was arrested about 12 hours ago...I wonder if they cracked him as to body location and that's what's delayed the presser.
I hope this isn't one of those cases where they arrested before all their ducks were in a row. I hope that what they have is solid. CC obviously knows how to play the system.

Patty G

11-12-2009, 10:21 AM

I totally agree with you, I am renting a mobile home right now which I think is 25 years old! Its been rented for years, so the condition isn't great although we have done a lot of fixing up while we live here till we move on our property.
Anyhow, Ours is a 3 bedroom and when I am in the bedroom on the end I cannot hear anyone knock on the door, bang on the door, anything! Several people have told me they banged and banged cause they knew I was home and I didn't hear anything what so ever.
I won't even take a shower unless hubby is here because I know that I would have no chance of hearing someone walk through the door.
As much as it creeps me out to say this, I believe someone could walk through my front door and take one of my children if I am in bed.

Someone can walk into a "stick-built" home and not be heard.

Patty G

11-12-2009, 10:24 AM

I haven't read the "rap sheet" for this individual. Is there anything in the criminal record regarding children?

not_my_kids

11-12-2009, 10:25 AM

no crimes against kids, but plenty of violence.

Isabelle

11-12-2009, 10:26 AM

A Clarence Coe has been arrested in connection with Shaniya's disappearance at approximately 11:00 PM tonight. Articles on the news site was updated 11 minutes ago. Not many details at this time.....
Nothing was mentioned about the recovery of Shaniya, so I have to think LE does not have her or a body yet.

WRAL.com

ETA: Coe is being held in the Cumberland County Detention Center without bond.

Thanks Louisiana sister.

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 10:27 AM

Thanks Louisiana sister.

You sure are welcome, sister!

Isabelle

11-12-2009, 10:31 AM

Police make arrest in disappearance of Fayetteville girl Shaniya Davis (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/)
Posted: Nov. 11

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

Would think LE really had something on this guy to charge him with 1st degree kidnapping. Looking forward to the rest of the story.

Thanks so much for the link.

Isabelle

11-12-2009, 10:34 AM

Yes, and you provided some very interesting reading! I suppose this POS will now be getting his HIV medication at the expense of Cumberland County. That should run anywhere from $1,200.00 to $1,500.00 per month or more.

:furious:

Isn't that special! Makes me sick that criminals have more rights than good hard working people in this nation and their innocent children.

Isabelle

11-12-2009, 10:35 AM

ETA: Sorry wrong link.

Love your siggy too, Louisiana sister.

redcar1

11-12-2009, 10:36 AM

I'm glad to see LE make some headway on the case. However, this guys been in trouble with the law for ever! Do they really think he'll crack under pressure? I seriously doubt it! He probably knows just how to milk the system. And what could they have to bargain with since he just got out?

Where's the mother's outrage in all of this? How does she know this guy? (if she does). They'd have to lock me up to keep me from getting at this guy if he had anything to do with any of my kids!!! Watch out!!!

And what kind of home life was this girl living in? JMO - If there's another child in that environment (and I think there's a 7 year old) they need to be removed immediately - especially since they said drugs had been found...

I cannot believe the selfishness of parents who put their children's lives in jeopardy by the choices THEY make! UNREAL...
(again, JMO)

Praying for the safe return of this beautiful girl! :)

Isabelle

11-12-2009, 10:38 AM

The first article last night stated Coe was being held without bond. They sure got one set very early this morning.

And I so agree with you, kimberlyd125. There should be no bond.

Is there a way we could send emails to the judge who set the bond to voice an opinion?

MommyInHighHeels

11-12-2009, 10:39 AM

After reading 14 pages, I am finally caught up.

Updated

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

"Around 11 p.m., police arrested Clarence Darriel Coe, 30, of 211 Brookwood Ave., and charged him with first-degree kidnapping in the disappearance of Shaniya Nicole Davis, who is still missing, police said.

Detectives have not released any information about his alleged connection to Shaniya's disappearance. Coe's home on Brookwood Avenue is about 4 miles from the girl's house."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/6401898/

Updated Link

New link for info above, for some reason that info has been deleted from initial article.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6402664/

"Coe was being held Thursday in the Cumberland County Detention Center on a $100,000 bond.

Coe was previously convicted of assault on a female, breaking and entering, larceny and other charges, according to Department of Correction records."

Isabelle

11-12-2009, 10:43 AM

Did anyone else notice that they recently updated the news link above to remove any mention of an arrest? Odd that they did leave CC's picture up though.

The video that tells of the arrest is still up??

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 10:48 AM

Is there a way we could send emails to the judge who set the bond to voice an opinion?

Dunno who the judge will be or who the judges are in Cumberland County, Isabelle.

I'm up for it if I find out who he is!

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 10:53 AM

Come on with the PC already or at least an update letting us know when the PC might be.

I know I am too impatient, but I am so anxious for more information.

not_my_kids

11-12-2009, 10:56 AM

Careful about suggesting letter or email campaigns. Ask Tricia first.

Isabelle

11-12-2009, 10:59 AM

Careful about suggesting letter or email campaigns. Ask Tricia first.

Somehow I think it would fall under freedom of speech if it were done independent of the website. Thanks though

gaia227

11-12-2009, 11:07 AM

I am just catching up with this story. How terribly sad. My first impressions are that Shaniya's mom knew this man, Shaniya was killed in the home and upon death she lost control of her bowels. Coe departed w/ the blanket and Shaniya to dispose of her body. I will not be the least bit surprised if they find her near his home.
Sorry to be so negative. The situation here does not look good at all.

pinkfly

11-12-2009, 11:10 AM

Could a warped mind have been looking for a way back to prison so his HIV treatments could continue? A possible glimmer of hope that he might have hid her rather than killed her if the kidnapping charge would be enough. I know I am grasping at straws but I want to hold out hope until they have a body.

Turtles

11-12-2009, 11:12 AM

Could a warped mind have been looking for a way back to prison so his HIV treatments could continue? A possible glimmer of hope that he might have hid her rather than killed her if the kidnapping charge would be enough. I know I am grasping at straws but I want to hold out hope until they have a body.

I am praying so hard you are right. :praying:

CarrieBean

11-12-2009, 11:14 AM

Could a warped mind have been looking for a way back to prison so his HIV treatments could continue? A possible glimmer of hope that he might have hid her rather than killed her if the kidnapping charge would be enough. I know I am grasping at straws but I want to hold out hope until they have a body.

That thought crossed my mind too. Maybe a really warped mind, but if all he wanted was to go back to jail for medical treatment he could have just robbed a bank or something. I think he had other intentions.

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 11:16 AM

Careful about suggesting letter or email campaigns. Ask Tricia first.

Oh, I am not suggesting any letter campaigns! I would not do that. This would be something I would do on my own without involving anyone else. Actually, I doubt it will do any good or have any influence anyway!

:angel:

jnTexas

11-12-2009, 11:16 AM

wonder if he might be Shaniya's Aunts BF? The one that is living in the home..

jnTexas

11-12-2009, 11:17 AM

Oh, I am not suggesting any letter campaigns! I would not do that. This would be something I would do on my own without involving anyone else. Actually, I doubt it will do any good or have any influence anyway!

:angel:

This guy most like doesn't have a pot to pee in, so I doubt he is going to come up with the bail money.

jnTexas

11-12-2009, 11:19 AM

update

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6402664/
A witness saw a man police believe to be Coe driving away from the Sleepy Hollow Mobile Home Park on Tuesday with the girl in his car, police said. Chance declined to identify the witness or say what time the abduction occurred

LaLaw2000

11-12-2009, 11:20 AM

That thought crossed my mind too. Maybe a really warped mind, but if all he wanted was to go back to jail for medical treatment he could have just robbed a bank or something. I think he had other intentions.

I dunno; he just might could have gotten away with robbing a bank. I agree he had other intentions and felt he had nothing to lose.

jnTexas

11-12-2009, 11:20 AM

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6402664/

The kidnapping wasn't random, she said, noting Coe knows the Davis family. She declined to elaborate on how he knows the family.