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Noway
11-27-2009, 03:18 PM
Continue here with discussion on Somer's case.

Post links to SR registry only, do not copy/paste info on SO to this thread, including photographs and inmate details.

Do not post personal information -- name, address, phone number -- of anyone LE has not named as suspect in the murder of Somer Thompson here.

References to minors other than the victim should be initials only (AC, AT, ST).

Do not post links to Facebook/MySpace/Twitter pages.

When in doubt about whether you can use someone's name, use initials and provide link to source of information.


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Noway
11-27-2009, 03:21 PM
Suggesting that nobody quote in its entirety, but instead use the Quote button and delete everything but the parts you want to discuss. This post is huge.



List of FACTS in Somer's case: Version II
Credit for compiling goes to: SharetheLight, Doggies, Dee10, MammaD, and Many Others.

These are facts as reported by media and/or from the MPR. Tried to put links to source where available.

Called this version Part I so when editing time on this post is up, this can be copied and added to and we can call that one Version II and so on.

SOMER
Somer Thompson was 7 years old when she disappeared on October 19, 2009.
Somer was wearing a cranberry jumpsuit (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33410779/ns/today-today_people/) (jogging suit?) with a matching top to the bottom and pink satin stripes down the sides of arms and legs, and a black shirt underneath (http://tinyurl.com/yjklsn8).
Somer's birthday is April 5, 2002.
Somer was not in the habit of wandering off, according to her mom (http://tinyurl.com/yjklsn8) in video (on left, scroll down in video list) Diena Thompson Addresses The Media.
Somer routinely wandered around (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...girl_somer_ren) and nobody knew where she was, according to a babysitter.
Somer wore a red ribbon in her ponytail on October 19.
AB (neighbor) drove Somer to school on October 19 and said it was a normal morning and Somer was her usual self (http://www.news4jax.com/news/21363638/detail.html).
Somer went to school (GPE) and left school at regular time (2:32 p.m.).
Somer was walking home with a group of kids that included sister AT and brother AT.
Something happened on the walk home and Somer ran ahead to walk alone.
An AMBER Alert (http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/64955392.html)was issued on Tuesday morning. It does not mention the book bag or lunchbox, but mentions her possibly wearing white hat and scarf.
Somer lived with her mom Diena Thompson, her twin brother ST, her older sister AT. (Unsure whether half-brother AC lived with them)
Somer's body was found at Chesser Island Landfill in Folkston, GA (http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpop...dOQmnB05w.cspx). She was tentatively identified by her clothing and a birthmark.
Somer's lunchbox (http://tinyurl.com/ybt9tzj) and book bag (http://tinyurl.com/y9ed32a) (see sketches (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/video_photos.cfm?id=69151)as released by LE and shown on AMW) have not been found. Details first reported on AMW (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=69151)November 7. (Previous reports had not mentioned description of lunchbox; backpack/book bag was described several ways, now believed to be in error, including but not limited to ""black book bag (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf)"; "pink black and white backpack with skulls, hearts, and crossbones (http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/10/clay-county-authorities-search.html)"; purple HM backpack (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-body-found-sheriff-matches-birthmark-clothing/Story?id=8887834&page=2)")

DIENA
Diena and Samuel Thompson are estranged and in the process of divorcing.
Diena has a live-in boyfriend (CPC, who goes by P).
Diena had lunch at her home on October 19 with SAP, a family friend.
Diena asked SAP to wait until the kids got home from school (http://tinyurl.com/y8wflf8). (from narrative MPR, but what was he to do after that?)
Dena texts SAP around 4 p.m., asking how the kids were; SAP replied that Somer had not come home with the other kids.
Diena leaves work early to search for Somer.
Diena felt something was wrong this time, and this is why she responded quickly to news of Somer not making it home that day.
Diena calls her boyfriend, CPC aka P, at about 4:20 p.m., tells him Somer didnít come home, and asks him to leave work to help search for her.
Diena stops at OPAA to pick up oldest son AC.
Diena flags down D/S A. Coan (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im...ice.report.pdf) at the corner of Floyd Circle West and Gano, and reports Somer missing.

SAMUEL
Samuel lives in North Carolina and has not seen Somer in 2 years.
Samuel came to FL on the Sunday after Somer's disappearance.
Samuel says soot was found on Somerís body in NG interview). (Later, he recants that statement through relative on WS because the source of this information, his sister LH, is thought to be unreliable.)

SEAN A. P. (SAP)
SAP is a close family friend of family.
SAP had lunch with Diena at her house on October 19.
SAP is asked to wait at house until kids come home from school. (from MPR narrative; not sure what he was to do after they came home)..
SAP had not been asked to do this before. This was his first time.
SAP asks where Somer is when AT and ST arrived around 3:10 p.m.
SAP sent AT to look for Somer. When she returned about 15 minutes later without her, SAP told her to look again real good before he called Diena.
SAP gets text from Diena around 4 p.m. asking how the kids were doing; he texts back that Somer did not come home with the other kids and AT is out looking for her.Diena says she will leave work and come look for Somer.
SAP opened bank account for donations to Somerís family, and the account is in his name.

C. PERRY C.
CPC is Diena's live-in boyfriend.
CPC gets call about 4:20 p.m. from Diena who tells him Somer didnít come home; Diena asks him to leave work to help search for her.
CPC leaves work and drives to the Horton Drive home; arrives at about 5 p.m.
CPC picks up ST (twin) at the house about 5 p.m. and goes to search for Somer.

GANO AVENUE HOUSE
This house caught fire months ago and is being restored.
Work crews have been at that house.
VD&B (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=147122) is the contractor working on the house.
Kyle, who works with the contractor, was there on October 19, and said that Somer came in the yard, told him that he/they were doing a good job on the house, and went back the way she came. (Thanks, MammaD!)
Kyle is the last person known to see Somer alive.
There are propane tanks surrounded by a fence about a block the house (toward school).
J., a minor, was riding his bike home when he saw Somer running around near the tanks and that she he thought she was excited but had a frown on her face.
OPAA is a park and sporting fields across the street from the house.
LE searched the house extensively on Thursday and Friday.
The Gano House was proclaimed a crime scene (http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/crime/story.aspx?storyid=116107&catid=82), as was the search area.

OTHER PEOPLE
A female neighbor who asked that her name not be reported, upon hearing of Somerís disappearance, tells LE to check the vacant house on Gano Avenue and its dumpster. After Somer is found in the landfill, she said she wishes she would have checked it herself.

A (different?) female neighbor, when questioned about the trash pick-up day, made a comment that the trash had already been collected that day so to take that however you want to (weird comment). A member at WS posted that it was the woman who drove Somer to school; that would have been AB. I wasn't sure which video it is at the link provided in the post.

Houses in the vicinity of the Gano house were searched (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-22/story/search_for_clues_continues_at_scene_near_where_som er_thompson) on Tuesday, October 20. The search literally hit home for schools Superintendent Ben Wortham, who lives about 100 yards from the Gano Drive spot where Somer was last seen. About 2 a.m. Tuesday, his house and many others in the vicinity were ďsearched from top to bottom,Ē Wortham said.

GARBAGE
Bruce Owens, an officer suggests to the sheriff that all trash trucks should be followed and searched so they can isolate the trash coming out of this area, the trash trucks are then followed. (Later reported that Joe Jett gets credit for this.)
Somer was found dead on October 21 in the Chesser Island Landfill in Fokston, Georgia.
LE followed the trucks to the Chesser Island Landfill.

There is at least one video of an interview with Diena that is blacked out-significant portion of interview is missing at the point where DT is recalling something from the day. (Could this just be because it was raw video and they edited out camera man movement?)

CCSO
LE searched the Gano Avenue house extensively and the men's room (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21389447/detail.html) at OPAA briefly and came out with a bag.
An autopsy was performed, and LE knows the cause of death, but that have not released that information (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21389447/detail.html).
Sheriff reports only one person cleared in the investigation into Somerís death and that is him.

RSOs
There are 161 RSOs (http://www.wctv.tv/APNews/headlines/65806732.html) that live within 5 miles of Somerís home.
CWGís name and contact info appears on the initial police report (in error (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-23/story/somers_slaying_investigaton_narrowing_down_origin_ of_trash) as a case of mistaken identity) detailing her disappearance, along with the names of family, neighbors, and others.
The owner of VD&B has a brother who is an RSO. His name is GCV (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=5693).
Since Somer disappeared many RSOís have been arrested for failing to update their addresses.

UNRELATED BUT YET, RELATED
What was thought to be an attempted abduction 10 days before Somer's disappearance turned out not to be an attempted abduction and was not related to Somer's disappearance according to LE. Even after LE said there was no connection, reports on blue Nissans (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-12/story/in_somer_thompson_case_rumors_become_a_big_problem ) poured in to the CCSO.

A police report in the Clay County Daily indicated that 4 burglary suspects were arrested at the Thompson home. LE later said that the address was in error and gave this explanation: An officer who was at the Thompson home was called to an unrelated burglary call and made the arrest of 4 individuals (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-12/story/in_somer_thompson_case_rumors_become_a_big_problem )but when he filed his report, he forgot to change the address. If you check the Clay County Daily (http://p2c.claysheriff.com/dailybulletin.aspx) for 11/21, you will find the correct information now.

CWG's name on the MPR was a result of mistaken identity (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-23/story/somers_slaying_investigaton_narrowing_down_origin_ of_trash) according to LE.

Noway
11-27-2009, 03:28 PM
btw, there is no difference right now between Version II above and Version I from the previous thread.

LOL and in case there is any confusion from the last thread, this NoWay does not smoke. :)

I've been at Black Friday sales and need to run hide presents at my sister's. BBL

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 03:30 PM
I wanna see those pics! cp on ms or fb? is it cp?

Chickadee
11-27-2009, 03:32 PM
Thanks for the new thread Noway!

I am so sorry I asked to see those pics. I don't even know what to say, I'm speechless. Trust me I am not a prude and like to have fun, but OMG. There are some things you should do behind (no pun intended) closed doors. Only one word comes to mind when it comes to her now, classless.

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 03:33 PM
I spent the morning in black friday he**. I went to pass out flyers to raise awareness for slavery today, in shackles... and cuffs...
talk about attracting the pervs...

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 03:35 PM
Thanks for the new thread Noway!

I am so sorry I asked to see those pics. I don't even know what to say, I'm speechless. Trust me I am not a prude and like to have fun, but OMG. There are some things you should do behind (no pun intended) closed doors. Only one word comes to mind when it comes to her now, classless.

ummmm, the dress at the services.... that was classless..
like a car wreck... you try to look anywhere else, and like a magnet... there ya go...
and while im back to this, did anyone see the inteview where the camera man is trying so hard to stay ABOVE, or BELOW...

help me see these pics!

ccane
11-27-2009, 03:40 PM
Thanks for the show and tell. All I can say is Wow .... Those pics are wrong on so many levels for a grown woman. When Casey had all the crazy pics I thought well she is very young so I can see a few drinks and making a fool of yourself. But a grown women is another story.... And to post them on MS is just plain crazy.

tarabull
11-27-2009, 03:43 PM
Thanks for the new thread Noway!

I am so sorry I asked to see those pics. I don't even know what to say, I'm speechless. Trust me I am not a prude and like to have fun, but OMG. There are some things you should do behind (no pun intended) closed doors. Only one word comes to mind when it comes to her now, classless.

Classless....

yes that's a good description...

Imagine poor sammy is still married to her!!!

And CPC was/is already shacked up with her....

Oh I just can't even go there....I don't wana have a time out or be banned or any of that over HER.

ETA: anyone who says this lifestyle doesn't affect kids is in denial (and i don't mean the river in eygpt)

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 03:59 PM
WOW>>>>>> just WOW!!!

I AM NOT A PRUDEby any stretch of the imagination, but I am speechless as well. WTH are you thinking putting that in public.. gheezss, my heart hurts for those kids... so dahmn badly..

Can u imagine being a 14 yr old with a mom on display like that? Takes milf to a new meaning....

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 04:03 PM
I have never found out who the Chris was at the funeral, its still bothering me badly.. I have looked and looked at pics to find this "good friend" who was involved in the search from the beginning and ended up in our ride to the burial... to no avail...

Chickadee
11-27-2009, 04:11 PM
I don't care how drunk or stoned I was, I would NEVER do that in front of anyone, period. And I'm not a prude either, Sad!

Me thinks someone likes to be the center of attention. Unreal. I can't stop shaking my head. You know, those pics could be very dangerous in the hands of someone, IYKWIM.

ccane
11-27-2009, 04:12 PM
I just want to comment on the poster that came here and dropped the Bomb. Some think that she many have done it on purpose. The person did know DT enough to drop to bomb on accident. If you go to Tricia profile you will see they tried to get sad and others band from talking. How did they know Sad was not a direct relative.. We knew cause Sad asked Tricia if it was okay to post and who she was already. The other poster is the one that said about drug rehab and never did sad say anything like that. So the person who said it has to know DT or even be DT herself. And the poster is most likey female since she end the message with "thanks alot" .. what guy would say thanks alot.

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 04:16 PM
thanks ccane....btw... I think they are still trying...

human
11-27-2009, 04:17 PM
I slept in today. I wonder why? (lol) I forgot that I had an appt this am for a shingles shot. I had to set the alarm to get up at 9:00 AM if you can believe it.

If you don't know about shingles, I recommend the shot. It may not stop it, but it makes it from being so bad.

Now back on topic. The pictures-OMG. Not appropriate! Having those on your MS page when you are a mother and a mother of a teenager no less. I'm speechless.

I need some thoughts on this.

I'm leaning towards DT. But how did she get Somer in a dumpster without anyone noticing? It's still light out at that time, isn't it? And aren't the businesses open by her office, if that would be the place?

Could her very very good friend taken care of it? But how good of a friend would you need to be to do that!?

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 04:19 PM
I personally dont think they meant to drop that bomb.. dense... that person was just... dense...stupyone woulda been a better name. Or they were young, because of silly things that were said about spelling and stuff

Rhyme & Reason
11-27-2009, 04:29 PM
ccane we are neighbors, I'm up here in Tuolumne County!!

ccane
11-27-2009, 04:29 PM
thanks ccane....btw... I think they are still trying...

You have not said anything to get band.. and I know you deleted the snoopy message right away so everyone would not see it. You were trying to do the right thing by not sharing that info but I guess I saw it before you could delete it. I understand completely why you did remove it.. it was a shocking comment and I hope u understand why I have shared this info with everyone. You don't like to smear DT but I think the truth needs to come out for Somers sake. And if you do get questioned by LE or anyone over these comments I am I witness to the bomb that she dropped and to your character for having moral integrity

what about this?
11-27-2009, 04:31 PM
WOW>>>>>> just WOW!!!

I AM NOT A PRUDEby any stretch of the imagination, but I am speechless as well. WTH are you thinking putting that in public.. gheezss, my heart hurts for those kids... so dahmn badly..

Can u imagine being a 14 yr old with a mom on display like that? Takes milf to a new meaning....

Okay - how can I see the pics, too?

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 04:47 PM
You have not said anything to get band.. and I know you deleted the snoopy message right away so everyone would not see it. You were trying to do the right thing by not sharing that info but I guess I saw it before you could delete it. I understand completely why you did remove it.. it was a shocking comment and I hope u understand why I have shared this info with everyone. You don't like to smear DT but I think the truth needs to come out for Somers sake. And if you do get questioned by LE or anyone over these comments I am I witness to the bomb that she dropped and to your character for having moral integrity

I think the truth needs to be out there tooo... I thank you for sharing the info and for your support... more than I can say...

what about this?
11-27-2009, 04:55 PM
I thought I was prepared for anything, but I guess not. Yeah, really hope the kids never see them.

4mer.naybor
11-27-2009, 04:59 PM
"Since you knew her can I ask what kinds of friendships did she have. Mostly female or male. Did she have alot of friends at the time or no one really. Does she seek attention or more withdrawn type. How about her family is she close to Her Dad , Mom and sister? Last question .. You said you new her when the twins where born. Did you think she took good care of them at the time and was someone else helping her"

DT: attention seeker for sure....equal amounts of male and female friends I suppose. she is close to her family, although a common friend/neighbor of ours stated that dienas parents "coddled' her...which is pretty accurate.

when the twins were born, Sams elderly aunt came to help, and stayed a while, DT treated the woman like shi#, and was sooo rude about her, talking about the way she smells, and how she couldn't wait for her to leave. This is typical DT, she never said anything nice about anyone. Even those of us that were "friendly" toward her, was because we lived nearby, and were hoping that she wouldn't do the same to us...but its her nature to talk about someone the second they turn around.

IMO She isnt such a good person, she is an opportunist, she doesn't make real friendships, she makes aquaintances.

I saw those pictures, yikes, I know after the twins were born she couldn't wait to show every guy at the club her "body' and brag about how she has five kids, and had just given birth to twins.

I still don't think she is guilty of anything other than having a not so squeaky image, and being a half a$$ mom, I don't know, people change if drugs are playing a factor in this, but I really can't comment on that because i don't know if it is a current issue with her.

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 05:07 PM
"Since you knew her can I ask what kinds of friendships did she have. Mostly female or male. Did she have alot of friends at the time or no one really. Does she seek attention or more withdrawn type. How about her family is she close to Her Dad , Mom and sister? Last question .. You said you new her when the twins where born. Did you think she took good care of them at the time and was someone else helping her"

DT: attention seeker for sure....equal amounts of male and female friends I suppose. she is close to her family, although a common friend/neighbor of ours stated that dienas parents "coddled' her...which is pretty accurate.

when the twins were born, Sams elderly aunt came to help, and stayed a while, DT treated the woman like shi#, and was sooo rude about her, talking about the way she smells, and how she couldn't wait for her to leave. This is typical DT, she never said anything nice about anyone. Even those of us that were "friendly" toward her, was because we lived nearby, and were hoping that she wouldn't do the same to us...but its her nature to talk about someone the second they turn around.

IMO She isnt such a good person, she is an opportunist, she doesn't make real friendships, she makes aquaintances.

I saw those pictures, yikes, I know after the twins were born she couldn't wait to show every guy at the club her "body' and brag about how she has five kids, and had just given birth to twins.

I still don't think she is guilty of anything other than having a not so squeaky image, and being a half a$$ mom, I don't know, people change if drugs are playing a factor in this, but I really can't comment on that because i don't know if it is a current issue with her.

I cant help but laugh at the thought of ST's elderly aunt and Diena.... what a mix!

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 05:12 PM
4mernaybor...

Did you ever meet PC? Have you ever gotten any response to the flowers you sent? Im just asking because of several people that i know sent flowers and have not received a thank you so they dont know if they made it or not...of course, these were all from ST's friends and family..

4mer.naybor
11-27-2009, 05:33 PM
4mernaybor...

Did you ever meet PC? Have you ever gotten any response to the flowers you sent? Im just asking because of several people that i know sent flowers and have not received a thank you so they dont know if they made it or not...of course, these were all from ST's friends and family..

I never met PC, I moved away from the Thompsons in 2002, I pretty much decided to end all talks with DT after she was hospitalized for "something very serious"...That was where I drew the line...I couldn't be a part of her drama anymore.....yet here we are, unbelievable.

I never got a thank you note...but never really expected one either.

And as for the aunt and DT....I can't remember the aunts name, but I really felt bad for her....I bet SHE could tell some interesting stories!

Just-Us
11-27-2009, 05:39 PM
If the pics were on PC's profile they are now gone. I can't find them.
Was it this person? i am interested to know because if he took them down that fast then someone must know they were being discussed here. Interesting...

4mer.naybor
11-27-2009, 05:43 PM
If the pics were on PC's profile they are now gone. I can't find them.
Was it this person? i am interested to know because if he took them down that fast then someone must know they were being discussed here. Interesting...

DT's MS, friend #3

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 05:45 PM
Too many oddities about SP being asked to "wait until the kids get home from school". Everyone thinks it's odd, regardless of who they may think killed little ST.

Didn't he have a job to return to? And, as others have pointed out - what did he do with himself during that time frame until AT and her little brother walked in the door?

I won't rehash all the oddities about SP's presence at the house, since we're already familiar with them. But I will say that I don't buy it. I think it's a ruse. I think he left when DT left, and I think she called him later & asked him to return. A CYA scenario, while she figured out how to cover her tracks. I think the text messages were part of an alibi.

If the speculation about AC being the babysitter of the younger kids is true, what was the sudden urgent need for a babysitter on that afternoon? I would speculate that AT was the one to usually keep an eye on the kids when the 3 of them got home from school, and then an hour later, AC would come home and keep an eye on everyone until mom got home from work. Latch key kids. Not uncommon.

But I'm calling BS on SP waiting at the house. I think the very very good friend comment has meaning. What did he do to earn that special honor? I'm not suggesting he knows anything, just speculating on DT's obvious gratitude toward him.

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 05:52 PM
I never met PC, I moved away from the Thompsons in 2002, I pretty much decided to end all talks with DT after she was hospitalized for "something very serious"...That was where I drew the line...I couldn't be a part of her drama anymore.....yet here we are, unbelievable.

I never got a thank you note...but never really expected one either.

And as for the aunt and DT....I can't remember the aunts name, but I really felt bad for her....I bet SHE could tell some interesting stories!

Was her name the opposite of dog?

4mer.naybor
11-27-2009, 05:55 PM
Was her name the opposite of dog?

possibly, i thought I heard a small bell ring :)

what about this?
11-27-2009, 05:58 PM
Was her name the opposite of dog?

I have a cat, and his name is Sam . . . he thinks he's a dog, but I don't think he's the OPPOSITE of a dog . . . hmmmm.

Thanks, I liked that one!

Just-Us
11-27-2009, 05:58 PM
Nope, still can't find it. Her profile is set to private.
I have tried to catch up with everything over the past two days and hope to do more tonight.
I hope everyone had a great day yesterday. Talk to you soon.

4mer.naybor
11-27-2009, 06:05 PM
I have a cat, and his name is Sam . . . he thinks he's a dog, but I don't think he's the OPPOSITE of a dog . . . hmmmm.

Thanks, I liked that one!

LOL my first response was "bi#ch?" (blonde moment)..then I was like "opposite of dog, wth?" but then it came to me :)

4mer.naybor
11-27-2009, 06:06 PM
Nope, still can't find it. Her profile is set to private.
I have tried to catch up with everything over the past two days and hope to do more tonight.
I hope everyone had a great day yesterday. Talk to you soon.

are we allowed to link the page?

human
11-27-2009, 06:10 PM
are we allowed to link the page?

No. I have to add more to this as they said "no" was too short.

tarabull
11-27-2009, 06:11 PM
are we allowed to link the page?


no..........................

human
11-27-2009, 06:16 PM
I see some issues with it being DT because of DNA and maybe fibers etc. They would all have an explanation.

LE said to look for scratches. I don't think she had any. Does that mean Somer has blood from someone else on her or DNA under her fingernails or what?

Does LE make up stuff for reasons unknown? Has anyone seen it in other cases?

scandi
11-27-2009, 06:16 PM
I was hoping for some news on Somer's case. Nothing about any forensic tests back? Maybe that attorney needs a quick little NCIS slap on the back of his head!

xox

paris_paris
11-27-2009, 06:16 PM
Nope, still can't find it. Her profile is set to private.
I have tried to catch up with everything over the past two days and hope to do more tonight.
I hope everyone had a great day yesterday. Talk to you soon.

Somebody could tell you if you had 50 posts.

Go to the games thread and play for awhile.

what about this?
11-27-2009, 06:18 PM
The pics reminded me a whole lot of Casey's impressive portfolio -

scandi
11-27-2009, 06:19 PM
I see some issues with it being DT because of DNA and maybe fibers etc. They would all have an explanation.

LE said to look for scratches. I don't think she had any. Does that mean Somer has blood from someone else on her or DNA under her fingernails or what?

Does LE make up stuff for reasons unknown? Has anyone seen it in other cases?

Hi Human, Now that's news to me about LE saying to look for scratches. Must have missed it. Yes, I think it is entirely possible she had something telling under her fingernails if they said that. xox

PS: Where did I read some posts by you that had me totally cracking up. LOL

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 06:21 PM
For all anyone knows, DT & SP didn't even meet up @ the house for lunch - that's one more glaring oddity that's been debated endlessly. Now that Chee has confirmed which office DT works at, meeting @ the house for lunch is not at all plausible with travel times. An hour lunch break is NOT long enough to drive the distance from Jax & then back again, and still have time to sit down & eat lunch. Typical lunch break @ dental offices is one hour.

To me, the weakest aspect of the info on the MPR is SP's presence @ the house & DT's stated reasons for him being there.

That seems to be the one part of the story that is propping up the rest of it. If you pick apart that aspect, the rest of the story falls completely apart right along with it.

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 06:23 PM
Somebody could tell you if you had 50 posts.

Go to the games thread and play for awhile.

I have more than 50 posts! ; )

not_my_kids
11-27-2009, 06:23 PM
Thank you and post has been edited.

kmart73
11-27-2009, 06:25 PM
I saw the ms photos and although I think they are vulgar, I still don't think DT killed Somer or knows anything about who did. It was an adult Halloween party, with only adults present. Also, these were taken five years ago. People can change a lot in five years.

I am just not picking up the same vibe from DT as a few others are.

I think she liked/likes to party

I think she was/is probably a bit selfish and wrapped up in things besides her children.

I think she had/has misplaced priorities

I think she's a bit immature and I feel validated in that assessment because in my ms sleuthing I found she liked to hang with a younger crowd.

In a couple of her interviews she has expressed feelings of guilt and feeling like a failure.

I think she is dealing with the death of her daughter and dealing with the guilt of not being the best mother she could be. I think she does feel very responsible for Somer's death.

This is just my opinion. :)

human
11-27-2009, 06:25 PM
sorrell=do you need the pics? Can't send right away as company just arrived.

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 06:30 PM
Thx human - got em!

alexandra
11-27-2009, 06:32 PM
Can someone please share pics with me Please??? I'm just trying to catch up since Turkey Day. Hope everyone had a wonderful Holiday :D!! TIA :)

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 06:33 PM
Kmart 73

Those are my thoughts on DT exactly... and I would hate to be in her shoes..... my problem from out here, is she doesnt appear to be learning from this... my concern is for the other kids

not_my_kids
11-27-2009, 06:35 PM
Okay, I saw them, saving the more memorable ones for future reference.
I will hold my personal thoughts for awhile. They vary vastly from the general opinion here.

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 06:39 PM
Okay, I saw them, saving the more memorable ones for future reference.
I will hold my personal thoughts for awhile. They vary vastly from the general opinion here.

I would like to say that all opinions are welcome. Even if they differ vastly from what others have posted recently.

I enjoy hearing what everyone has to say.

not_my_kids
11-27-2009, 06:48 PM
I would like to say that all opinions are welcome. Even if they differ vastly from what others have posted recently.

I enjoy hearing what everyone has to say.

Okay.

1. They probably shouldn't be posted in a public access forum.

2. They are all consenting adults, what's the fuss?

Genuinely, my thoughts.

ccane
11-27-2009, 06:50 PM
I see some issues with it being DT because of DNA and maybe fibers etc. They would all have an explanation.

LE said to look for scratches. I don't think she had any. Does that mean Somer has blood from someone else on her or DNA under her fingernails or what?

Does LE make up stuff for reasons unknown? Has anyone seen it in other cases?

If she did have DNA under her nails then It is possible there was a struggle. But this could have happened before the child was killed but by a different person. They did say one or more people involved. It's a fact that AC and the LE walked around to show what happend etc... what could he show them. So If DT sent AC to go find sister at the OPAA park and he did and they fought (hand / feet / teeth) too. Then she runs away to get home fast and DT is driving around in Car looking or going home to check in with Home ..gets picked up by DT on route. As for where she worked that day OP or JAX I still think OP it make more sense due to the lunch. Another poster already said they use both offices because she had been to the one in OP and you can be a receptionist from either location and forward the phones. Plus we dont know if DT transferd closer to home or the DDS was out that day playing golf or on vacation either. We just dont know on that Day where she was for sure. I feel if they did not clear her there is a good reason. DT does not seem to me to be the kind of mother who would cover for AC either... it clear she is all about herself.

kmart73
11-27-2009, 06:51 PM
Kmart 73

Those are my thoughts on DT exactly... and I would hate to be in her shoes..... my problem from out here, is she doesnt appear to be learning from this... my concern is for the other kids


Sad, I understand your concern for the other kids and I hope she has learned something from this tragedy ! :(

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 06:54 PM
I agree with the poster who said it was an adult party. Yikes - at least I sure hope it was an adult party! Seriously, though, consenting adults have the right to engage in behaviors & activities (within the law, that is) behind closed doors, that might be distasteful or vulgar to others, as long as no one gets hurt, IMO.

The problem with those pics is that while they were taken behind closed doors, they were displayed on a public space that ANYONE could have viewed (minors included), until the profile was finally set to private. IMO - that's not behind closed doors. And HOW LONG were they out there for all the world to see, including possibly DT's own children?

It's not the behavior at the party that raises red flags for me necessarily. It's the parading of that behavior in an irresponsible manner that gives me pause.

If an adult wouldn't engage in sexual or pseudo-sexual behavior in view of their children, why would they post photos of that same behavior in a place where their kids might see it. Or did that thought just simply never cross her mind?

ETA: What if her employer had seen them? What if the other kids at school had seen them? Etc...

alexandra
11-27-2009, 07:01 PM
I would like to say that all opinions are welcome. Even if they differ vastly from what others have posted recently.

I enjoy hearing what everyone has to say.

I've never considered myself a prude at all, but I think some of her poses and the guy's costume are just gross. Well actually it goes beyond gross, it's really crude. I'm known for having a pretty off the wall sense of humor, but I don't think it's one bit funny.:sick:

tarabull
11-27-2009, 07:04 PM
I agree with the poster who said it was an adult party. Yikes - at least I sure hope it was an adult party! Seriously, though, consenting adults have the right to engage in behaviors & activities (within the law, that is) behind closed doors, that might be distasteful or vulgar to others, as long as no one gets hurt, IMO.

The problem with those pics is that while they were taken behind closed doors, they were displayed on a public space that ANYONE could have viewed (minors included), until the profile was finally set to private. IMO - that's not behind closed doors. And HOW LONG were they out there for all the world to see, including possibly DT's own children?
It's not the behavior at the party that raises red flags for me necessarily. It's the parading of that behavior in an irresponsible manner that gives me pause.

If an adult wouldn't engage in sexual or pseudo-sexual behavior in view of their children, why would they post photos of that same behavior in a place where their kids might see it. Or did that thought just simply never cross her mind?

ETA: What if her employer had seen them? What if the other kids at school had seen them? Etc...


Not sure if you know this but they are still available for public view on her "friends" ms.....

are you picking up what I'm laying down?

ccane
11-27-2009, 07:05 PM
"Since you knew her can I ask what kinds of friendships did she have. Mostly female or male. Did she have alot of friends at the time or no one really. Does she seek attention or more withdrawn type. How about her family is she close to Her Dad , Mom and sister? Last question .. You said you new her when the twins where born. Did you think she took good care of them at the time and was someone else helping her"

DT: attention seeker for sure....equal amounts of male and female friends I suppose. she is close to her family, although a common friend/neighbor of ours stated that dienas parents "coddled' her...which is pretty accurate.

when the twins were born, Sams elderly aunt came to help, and stayed a while, DT treated the woman like shi#, and was sooo rude about her, talking about the way she smells, and how she couldn't wait for her to leave. This is typical DT, she never said anything nice about anyone. Even those of us that were "friendly" toward her, was because we lived nearby, and were hoping that she wouldn't do the same to us...but its her nature to talk about someone the second they turn around.

IMO She isnt such a good person, she is an opportunist, she doesn't make real friendships, she makes aquaintances.

I saw those pictures, yikes, I know after the twins were born she couldn't wait to show every guy at the club her "body' and brag about how she has five kids, and had just given birth to twins.

I still don't think she is guilty of anything other than having a not so squeaky image, and being a half a$$ mom, I don't know, people change if drugs are playing a factor in this, but I really can't comment on that because i don't know if it is a current issue with her.

Thank you, I biggest suprise here is dienas parents "coddled' her...which is pretty accurate

Why have they not been in the media supporting their daughter at all. Even Cindy and George who also coddled cassy tried in vain to cast Casay as a good mother and say she could not have down this to her child. DT's coddling parents are smart not to stick there neck out right now. It's one thing to Coddle and spoil your child but not to do so now is very telling

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 07:07 PM
DT does not seem to me to be the kind of mother who would cover for AC either... it clear she is all about herself.

sbm

After hearing your reasoning, (and I agree with your observation that DT seems to be completely self-absorbed), I'm leaning more & more towards one suspect & away from the other.

She doesn't seem like the type of person who would risk her own neck for anyone - not even her own child.

Thx for the insight.

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 07:11 PM
Ok, please can anyone help me firgure out who the guy was at the funeral? He gave me the creeps so bad... remember the "tight wrangler jeans guy"? Maybe his name was not CHris, but he knew of him (cp) and just said that.. do you think LE would tell me if I called about him?.. ST said he called and not to worry about him.. but it wont leave me alone.. and ST has more faith in their truths (because he just has to) than I am.

not_my_kids
11-27-2009, 07:15 PM
I'm trying to figure out how to be delicate. Bear with me, I suck at delicacy.

As a mother, I can say that I would never post pics of that nature online of myself. I would never allow them to be posted.

However, it was an adult party. Adult being the key word. I have been to parties much much much much worse. I don't see the behavior as a red flag, I see it as tame, considering that costumes aside, they were playing quarter bounce and horsing around. As adults.

The fact that she would allow the photos to stay online, that may be a red flag. For immaturity and small scale bad judgement. But not much else, IMO.
All of the above, MOO.

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 07:19 PM
Why have they not been in the media supporting their daughter at all. Even Cindy and George who also coddled cassy tried in vain to cast Casay as a good mother and say she could not have down this to her child. DT's coddling parents are smart not to stick there neck out right now. It's one thing to Coddle and spoil your child but not to do so now is very telling

RUMOR They spend yrs talking care of DT and the kids... thus the house.. and time to take care of your own family.. I think they are there for the kids as they have always been... but they wanted a life too.. I feel so bad for them

human
11-27-2009, 07:25 PM
Would someone please PM me with the info? ;) TIA

You have to have 50 posts. So play the games and delete your post about asking for the PM. This site doesn't allow asking for PMs. I'll be thinking of you.

zannah
11-27-2009, 07:26 PM
Ok, please can anyone help me firgure out who the guy was at the funeral? He gave me the creeps so bad... remember the "tight wrangler jeans guy"? Maybe his name was not CHris, but he knew of him (cp) and just said that.. do you think LE would tell me if I called about him?.. ST said he called and not to worry about him.. but it wont leave me alone.. and ST has more faith in their truths (because he just has to) than I am.

Did you already look at friends on cp's ms page? I can't recall whose pics you already looked at or what the description of the guy was.

human
11-27-2009, 07:31 PM
I'm trying to figure out how to be delicate. Bear with me, I suck at delicacy.

As a mother, I can say that I would never post pics of that nature online of myself. I would never allow them to be posted.

However, it was an adult party. Adult being the key word. I have been to parties much much much much worse. I don't see the behavior as a red flag, I see it as tame, considering that costumes aside, they were playing quarter bounce and horsing around. As adults.

The fact that she would allow the photos to stay online, that may be a red flag. For immaturity and small scale bad judgement. But not much else, IMO.
All of the above, MOO.

My kids are about DT's age and 2 of them have children. I would be very depressed as a parent if I saw my girls doing what DT was doing and I would be depressed if my son was doing what the guy was doing.

Quite frankly, in all my years, I have never been to a party like that.

Things have changed a lot. When I was in college a million years ago and I went to a super huge university, I never heard about girls getting raped and stuff they do nowadays.

I was drunk several times at parties and no one ever took advantage of the situation. If people did something sexual, it was off in another room where no one could see.

what about this?
11-27-2009, 07:39 PM
Why have they not been in the media supporting their daughter at all. Even Cindy and George who also coddled cassy tried in vain to cast Casay as a good mother and say she could not have down this to her child. DT's coddling parents are smart not to stick there neck out right now. It's one thing to Coddle and spoil your child but not to do so now is very telling

RUMOR They spend yrs talking care of DT and the kids... thus the house.. and time to take care of your own family.. I think they are there for the kids as they have always been... but they wanted a life too.. I feel so bad for them

I actually got that feeling also, that they had been supporting and cleaning up messes for a long time - wishing things would settle down . . . that's one idea that came to my mind when watching the father listen to DT, weighing what he could trust -- but those were only my thoughts.

Does DT have any siblings?

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 07:40 PM
Did you already look at friends on cp's ms page? I can't recall whose pics you already looked at or what the description of the guy was.


not him.. and i looked at dt's page before it was private,, nada.. but thanks for input

not_my_kids
11-27-2009, 07:41 PM
My kids are about DT's age and 2 of them have children. I would be very depressed as a parent if I saw my girls doing what DT was doing and I would be depressed if my son was doing what the guy was doing.

Quite frankly, in all my years, I have never been to a party like that.

Things have changed a lot. When I was in college a million years ago and I went to a super huge university, I never heard about girls getting raped and stuff they do nowadays.

I was drunk several times at parties and no one ever took advantage of the situation. If people did something sexual, it was off in another room where no one could see.

It's just a difference of perspective. It strikes me as not that bad, to others, possibly shocking and repulsive.

I do fully agree that they should never have been posted online. Most of my "adult party" pictures are in a lockbox under my bed...I may pull them out and look at them, and laugh at the person I was when I still had time for parties, but they would never go public. Not because they show actual sexual activity, but some things that might be considered psuedo sexual, and I wouldn't want my kids to see that.
I would be ashamed for my children to see it, but not ashamed of my behavior since I was an adult, if that makes sense.

Lipin One
11-27-2009, 07:46 PM
Can someone please share pics with me Please??? I'm just trying to catch up since Turkey Day. Hope everyone had a wonderful Holiday :D!! TIA :)

I hope you had a great one too!

Went on BF, 5:00am. Big mistake.

Long lines everywhere, cold as heck, parking a nightmare, rude people, you name it.

About the people... seems everybody woke up, and headed to the stores without bothering to take a bath or brush their teeth. The stores rank of a drunk's pad, with a mildewed basement.

I didn't get all I wanted to get. Mostly to avoid lines... not worth it.

But, all in all I got a few good bargains.

:)

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 07:48 PM
Description of man I am lookin for... thin, maybe late 20's early 30's. Short brn hair, kinda scruffy lookin... tight wrangler jeans, t shirt at burial service, and at "visitation".

outside church, before burial, he was getting in family car and told us there wasnt enough room for him so ST offered him to ride in our van. At the burial there was some unpleasantness (post back there somewhere) and he was asked for his pass... by DT's uncle, he then went to back of tent where LE was and I never saw him again...

tarabull
11-27-2009, 07:49 PM
I never met PC, I moved away from the Thompsons in 2002, I pretty much decided to end all talks with DT after she was hospitalized for "something very serious"...That was where I drew the line...I couldn't be a part of her drama anymore.....yet here we are, unbelievable.
I never got a thank you note...but never really expected one either.

And as for the aunt and DT....I can't remember the aunts name, but I really felt bad for her....I bet SHE could tell some interesting stories!

I'm trying really hard to sit on my hands and let this partly cryptic comment ride but the idea of DT being hospitalized for "something very serious" is driving me almost around the bend.

Care to elaborate - like a good (former) neighbour - LOL - even if it's with additional cryptic hints?

:waitasec:

PS do you happen to smoke? :)

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 07:52 PM
o/t

No pictures, but I hope you had a great one too!

Went on BF, 5:00am. Big mistake.

Long lines everywhere, cold as heck, parking a nightmare, rude people, you name it.

About the people... seems everybody woke up, and headed to the stores without bothering to take a bath or brush their teeth. The stores rank of a drunk's pad, or mildewed basement.

I didn't get all I wanted to get. Mostly to avoid lines... not worth it.

But, all in all I got a few good bargains.

:)

Did you see me? (just kidding... I brushed my teeth)

tarabull
11-27-2009, 07:52 PM
Description of man I am lookin for... thin, maybe late 20's early 30's. Short brn hair, kinda scruffy lookin... tight wrangler jeans, t shirt at burial service, and at "visitation".

outside church, before burial, he was getting in family car and told us there wasnt enough room for him so ST offered him to ride in our van. At the burial there was some unpleasantness (post back there somewhere) and he was asked for his pass... by DT's uncle, he then went to back of tent where LE was and I never saw him again...

:waitasec:

Maybe he was a plant by LE.....You know like that lady they had befriend Misty.....to try to get her to talk?!??!

Maybe they put him there to snoop & dig.....lol

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 07:52 PM
Not passing judgment on the party games (gives a whole new meaning to "pin the tail on the donkey", doesn't it?), but the halloween party brag book posted online for all the world to see, including DT's kids, (and I am passing judgment on that), makes me really wonder about the home environment.

ccane
11-27-2009, 07:52 PM
I'm trying to figure out how to be delicate. Bear with me, I suck at delicacy.

As a mother, I can say that I would never post pics of that nature online of myself. I would never allow them to be posted.

However, it was an adult party. Adult being the key word. I have been to parties much much much much worse. I don't see the behavior as a red flag, I see it as tame, considering that costumes aside, they were playing quarter bounce and horsing around. As adults.

The fact that she would allow the photos to stay online, that may be a red flag. For immaturity and small scale bad judgement. But not much else, IMO.
All of the above, MOO.

I dont think the pics are a big red flag but I think the fact there are so many flags is the bigger picture. From the first interview to the last and everything she has says and does the flags are everywhere. When she said she feels guilty having fun a few weeks after her daughters death that was a big big flag. Who could heal that fast from such a tragedy .. I dont think you will find anyone except cassy A who healed that fast

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 07:54 PM
O/T
Does anyone else ever look at the page waiting for a post and realize there is a new page?
utoh... showin my pea brain again?

what about this?
11-27-2009, 07:54 PM
My kids are about DT's age and 2 of them have children. I would be very depressed as a parent if I saw my girls doing what DT was doing and I would be depressed if my son was doing what the guy was doing.

Quite frankly, in all my years, I have never been to a party like that.

Things have changed a lot. When I was in college a million years ago and I went to a super huge university, I never heard about girls getting raped and stuff they do nowadays.

I was drunk several times at parties and no one ever took advantage of the situation. If people did something sexual, it was off in another room where no one could see.

You probably were never at a party like that because your idea of a good time isn't what was going on in those pictures.

I am really not a prude at all -- but I just have never thought that kind of thing was funny - and it always amazes me when friends that I thought i knew well laugh at that kind of stuff.

I don't get it - I don't think contrived sexual jokes are funny (and some of my friends roar!) It must be me --

I also never liked the Three Stooges - never thought it was funny when someone fell down -- but to some people it's hilarious! Huh?

not_my_kids
11-27-2009, 07:55 PM
I dont think the pics are a big red flag but I think the fact there are so many flags is the bigger picture. From the first interview to the last and everything she has says and does the flags are everywhere. When she said she feels guilty having fun a few weeks after her daughters death that was a big big flag. Who could heal that fast from such a tragedy .. I dont think you will find anyone except cassy A who healed that fast

But, if she still feels guilty for having fun, then she is far from healed.
MOO.
And yes, there are a lot of little flags. Sometimes that adds up to a bigger flag, sometimes it is just a bunch of little flags. I don't know which in this case.

alexandra
11-27-2009, 07:59 PM
Ok, please can anyone help me firgure out who the guy was at the funeral? He gave me the creeps so bad... remember the "tight wrangler jeans guy"? Maybe his name was not CHris, but he knew of him (cp) and just said that.. do you think LE would tell me if I called about him?.. ST said he called and not to worry about him.. but it wont leave me alone.. and ST has more faith in their truths (because he just has to) than I am.

Can you describe his hair again sad? TIA.

ccane
11-27-2009, 08:12 PM
But, if she still feels guilty for having fun, then she is far from healed.
MOO.
And yes, there are a lot of little flags. Sometimes that adds up to a bigger flag, sometimes it is just a bunch of little flags. I don't know which in this case.

Well I guess there our two kinds of people then
Those who would feel guilty for having fun after a few weeks
and those who could't even think of having fun so soon

Noway
11-27-2009, 08:15 PM
I didn't think the pictures were that bad given the context in which they were taken. And to me, the issue with them being posted and public is not with Diena at all. It's not her page. For all we know. she asked this friend to take them down , make her page private, whatever, and the friend said no.

It makes me wonder whether pictures of Halloween parties I've attended are posted out there on the hostess's FB. They too were adult Halloween parties, although some years we included the kids as well, and our choice of costumes reflected that and were much more appropriate.

3angelsrmine
11-27-2009, 08:19 PM
Not passing judgment on the party games (gives a whole new meaning to "pin the tail on the donkey", doesn't it?), but the halloween party brag book posted online for all the world to see (including DT's kids) and I am passing judgment on that, makes me really wonder about the home environment.

I just saw the pictures and was wondering if anyone else noticed that maybe this was DT home. There are pics on the wall in one of them and looks like Somer is one and one of a man in uniform (ST?) in another. Hope the kids weren't around! We entertain a lot and we love to have fun, but we've never had something like this--very sophmoric even for 30ishers IMO.

human
11-27-2009, 08:19 PM
I dont think the pics are a big red flag but I think the fact there are so many flags is the bigger picture. From the first interview to the last and everything she has says and does the flags are everywhere. When she said she feels guilty having fun a few weeks after her daughters death that was a big big flag. Who could heal that fast from such a tragedy .. I dont think you will find anyone except cassy A who healed that fast

My husband's brother died 40 years ago. The brother was 17. He hasn't gotten over it yet. I don't know if he has healed or not. Our children are the most important thing in the world to him ,and he thinks about something happening to them a lot because he knows that it can.

Don't worry. They did not live in a bubble, My son starting riding little dirt bikes when he was 6 years old. My hubby gave him a box of old parts, and told him he could ride one when he put it together. He honestly did at age 6. He's an engineer today.

He did break his arm when he was 8 and the doctor made us feel like scum parents of the year for letting him ride a dirt bike that young. I suppose if people were investigating us , they would point to that and many other things as out of line.

Anyway,saying you're having fun when your child has been murdered just a little while ago? IMO it's very bizarre.

kmart73
11-27-2009, 08:22 PM
I just saw the pictures and was wondering if anyone else noticed that maybe this was DT home. There are pics on the wall in one of them and looks like Somer is one and one of a man in uniform (ST) in another. Hope the kids weren't around! We entertain a lot and we love to have fun, but we've never had something like this--very sophmoric even for 30ishers IMO.


I noticed that! On one of the tables there is a photo that looks like Somer and her brother as babies.

ccane
11-27-2009, 08:26 PM
sorrell skye and anyone into psychology

Since your into more the psychology too of this... did you see the interview of DT when she went to pick up the kids at school more recently and she said she threw up when she got home. Also one where she changes Somer room already "for the kids she said" instead of making it a shrine like some people do after a death. I would like your input

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 08:27 PM
Can you describe his hair again sad? TIA.

short med brown..

3angelsrmine
11-27-2009, 08:29 PM
Credit to HUMAN snipped by me for spacefrom post #83 Anyway,saying you're having fun when your child has been murdered just a little while ago? IMO it's very bizarre.[/QUOTE]


I would not be able to function, let alone get out of bed and make myself look presentable. The mere thought of something happening to my babies brings tears to my eyes. I know, no textbook on how we should act. Sweet Sandra Cantu's mom comes to mind when you think of someone grieving. MOO

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 08:30 PM
Anyway,saying you're having fun when your child has been murdered just a little while ago? IMO it's very bizarre.

sbm

I agree. It's not as if her daughter died of "natural causes" after a protracted illness. Not that that would make it any easier to bear the loss (losing a child is unbearable regardless of circumstances), just saying that to me it seems the grief of losing a child to murder would be so much harder to deal with, for obvious reasons, especially since the killer has not been apprehended.

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 08:31 PM
sorrell skye and anyone into psychology

Since your into more the psychology too of this... did you see the interview of DT when she went to pick up the kids at school more recently and she said she threw up when she got home. Also one where she changes Somer room already "for the kids she said" instead of making it a shrine like some people do after a death. I would like your input

I don't think I've seen that one. Do you have a link?

ccane
11-27-2009, 08:36 PM
I don't think I've seen that one. Do you have a link?

No sorry I stopped saving all the links .. I'm so digusted with this women I just didn't want to hear her anymore. Wonder if she got her bella vita tattoo yet:furious:

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 08:47 PM
I'll weigh in on the "having fun so soon aspect" from an objective perspective, now that I've spouted off about my own opinion.

Everyone experiences grief/loss differently, based on their personalities & psychological make-up. Some people are able to move thru the stages & integrate the loss in a shorter time span and resume their usual activities. Others need more time to process, depending on the circumstances of the loss & the support they receive.

When my little niece was tragically killed in an accident years ago, her father experienced very little grief, if any at all. My sister took years to heal enough to be able to resume her life. Just to illustrate. BTW - my ex-BIL is about as sociopathic as you can get. He possesses the emotional make-up of a doorknob. He showed more emotion regarding the community & church donations (money) than he did over the death of his youngest daughter. Needless to say, I despise the man.

what about this?
11-27-2009, 08:51 PM
for the psychology people --

so, could you say someone who is able to detach, go on, have fun --

and not saying anyone in particular -- borderline personality disorder?

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 08:52 PM
I also want to add that typically when someone seems to recover too rapidly from such a profound loss, it can indicate their unwillingness or inability to face the loss, or to experience the grief, for various reasons.

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 08:53 PM
for the psychology people --

so, could you say someone who is able to detach, go on, have fun --

and not saying anyone in particular -- borderline personality disorder?

borderlines tend to fixate on one particular person - and obsess about them - think overly needy and clingy - stalker types.

what about this?
11-27-2009, 08:54 PM
someone who seems to blossom in the limelight --

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 08:55 PM
I'm leaning more toward narcissistic personality tendencies (not necessarily full-blown disorder, unless there are delusions of grandeur), or sociopathic - inability to empathize with other human beings.

ETA: there can be overlap between these two.

what about this?
11-27-2009, 08:58 PM
Then, maybe being hospitalized for a "very serious condition" - during that time, a lot could come out. A lot of personality traits would be evident to professionals around --

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 09:00 PM
Remember the statements immediately after Somer's murder?

"I want to be an advocate for missing and abducted children..."

Could indicate delusions of grandeur.

what about this?
11-27-2009, 09:00 PM
narcissistic personality --

so, if that type of personality got a taste of a lot of attention and publicity, and then the attention went away -- what kind of things would they do to bring the attention back to themselves?

ccane
11-27-2009, 09:06 PM
But DT has shown some genuine grief. I have seen it here and there at odd times in interviews. One when some asked about how the kids are doing in the interview with her Dad and Mom standing behind her. She broke down and said "I cant talk about that right now".. that was real. And after her lawyer said they are watching the person and they should give it up.. that was real emotion.

what about this?
11-27-2009, 09:08 PM
The whole lawyer thing - LE supposedly wanting that for her -- all of this TIME GOING BY . . . in the back of my mind, they could be waiting . . . allowing all of the adulation - even kind of promoting it by the "she could become an advocate" --

I'm going nuts thinking about all of this.

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 09:09 PM
narcissistic personality --

so, if that type of personality got a taste of a lot of attention and publicity, and then the attention went away -- what kind of things would they do to bring the attention back to themselves?

IDK - It depends on past pattern of behavior. But, without a doubt, if a person has narcissistic personality disorder, it would have begun to appear in later adolescence, fully formed in early adulthood, and that person has spent their entire life manipulating people and situations to gain the center of attention. Drama queen/king extraordinaire. Risky behaviors/law-breaking are other factors.

But many narcissists are fully functioning, just annoying to be around.

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 09:12 PM
But DT has shown some genuine grief. I have seen it here and there at odd times in interviews. One when some asked about how the kids are doing in the interview with her Dad and Mom standing behind her. She broke down and said "I cant talk about that right now".. that was real. And after her lawyer said they are watching the person and they should give it up.. that was real emotion.

I guess the key question then is - was she crying for Somer, or was she crying for herself?

what about this?
11-27-2009, 09:12 PM
Well - in this situation, I would think that the emotion and tears would be uncontrollable -- I don't know. I DO KNOW -- THAT IF MY 7-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER HAD JUST BEEN FOUND MURDERED IN A LANDFILL IN GEORGIA, WITH HER LITTLE LEGS STICKING OUT, I DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY WOULD NOT BE ON TELEVISION THE VERY NEXT DAY, HAIR DONE, GIVING A NEWS CONFERENCE.

Everyone does grieve differently, though.

ccane
11-27-2009, 09:15 PM
I wonder if Somer was just the picked on kid of the family. She said Somer was just like herself. The other kids maybe easy to handle and Somer had a little mind of her own. If someone with a narcissistic personality has a child that also craves attention too and both have tempers .. I think they probably clashed from to much alikeness. She does not show much tenderness when talking about somer but cries when asked about the other kids

eyes4crime
11-27-2009, 09:15 PM
The posts over the Thanksgiving holidays have done nothing to lead us any closer to baby Somer's murderer. mho
What do they do?
They drag mom T. through the mud and back, and drown her in manure. Why? Must be some kind of agenda that has been trying to get off the ground here for quite some time. It managed to take off over the holidays without the regulars on. mho

Exploiting an adult halloween party from over a year ago does nothing to find the murderer of baby Somer!! mho

I think trying to cast mom T. as the murderer of her child is a waste of time. It's already been done...let common sense prevail! mho

I think trying to cast mom T. as an out of control drug addict addicted to the prescription medication Oxycontin is a waste of time. If she is addicted to prescription meds - let's not throw her in the trash, let's show some compassion and hope she gets the help needed. mho

Saying mom T. is having a good, fun time is ludicrous - please show me where and how!

I wonder what the comments would look like if they were about the people writing them...How many of us could have our entire life thrown in front of judgmental America and mass media over night...and know exactly what to say and how to say it?

I am appalled by the trashy symbolism that has been thrown around to describe mom T. I see all these hateful comments as childish and very immature. And to cast stones at mom T. because she had fun at a Halloween party over a year ago is not only childish, but incredibly shallow. ALL MY OPINIONS

Hope everyone had a great holiday! I'll be back when new information is given out and the discussion is about finding the murderer rather than mom T.

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 09:18 PM
But DT has shown some genuine grief. I have seen it here and there at odd times in interviews. One when some asked about how the kids are doing in the interview with her Dad and Mom standing behind her. She broke down and said "I cant talk about that right now".. that was real. And after her lawyer said they are watching the person and they should give it up.. that was real emotion.

That was such a good point that I'm quoting it again!

I think DT uses tears (or what appears to be tears) when she doesn't want to answer a question, or when she wants to draw attention away from a particular subject. I think her expressions of grief are manipulative.

eyes4crime
11-27-2009, 09:20 PM
I wonder if Somer was just the picked on kid of the family. She said Somer was just like herself. The other kids maybe easy to handle and Somer had a little mind of her own. If someone with a narcissistic personality has a child that also craves attention too and both have tempers .. I think they probably clashed from to much alikeness. She does not show much tenderness when talking about somer but cries when asked about the other kids

I have no doubt there are many narcissistic people with children who crave attention - if they all ended up murdered and thrown in the trash, our population of children would be significantly reduced. mho

Ms Suzanne
11-27-2009, 09:21 PM
The posts over the Thanksgiving holidays have done nothing to lead us any closer to baby Somer's murderer. mho
What do they do?
They drag mom T. through the mud and back, and drown her in manure. Why? Must be some kind of agenda that has been trying to get off the ground here for quite some time. It managed to take off over the holidays without the regulars on. mho

Exploiting an adult halloween party from over a year ago does nothing to find the murderer of baby Somer!! mho

I think trying to cast mom T. as the murderer of her child is a waste of time. It's already been done...let common sense prevail! mho

I think trying to cast mom T. as an out of control drug addict addicted to the prescription medication Oxycontin is a waste of time. If she is addicted to prescription meds - let's not throw her in the trash, let's show some compassion and hope she gets the help needed. mho

Saying mom T. is having a good, fun time is ludicrous - please show me where and how!

I wonder what the comments would look like if they were about the people writing them...How many of us could have our entire life thrown in front of judgmental America and mass media over night...and know exactly what to say and how to say it?

I am appalled by the trashy symbolism that has been thrown around to describe mom T. I see all these hateful comments as childish and very immature. And to cast stones at mom T. because she had fun at a Halloween party over a year ago is not only childish, but incredibly shallow. ALL MY OPINIONS

Hope everyone had a great holiday! I'll be back when new information is given out and the discussion is about finding the murderer rather than mom T.
Thank you.I agree.Very well said.

not_my_kids
11-27-2009, 09:23 PM
I think if my child were found murdered, the drive for self preservation would send me out searching for fun and interaction.

Otherwise, I would likely kill myself.

But that's me. And my reaction to death, no matter who's it is, is to force myself onwards, and one way to do that is to laugh, no matter what the world thinks.

Now, in this case, it could be narcissism that is driving her, but I have seen nothing to indicate that over other explanations, and I have been following along on the sidelines since I dropped out of the active discussion.

what about this?
11-27-2009, 09:24 PM
I honestly do not think that anyone here has a desire to trash anyone.

I thought the purpose of this was to find justice for Somer, and if that leads someone into a place that is uncomfortable for them -

It's really uncomfortable for me -- and I am really trusting, empathetic person. I haven't, honestly, seen one actual tear.

We found water on the moon -- is there any running down those cheeks?

human
11-27-2009, 09:28 PM
LE has cleared no one. They have made that very specific. So who would be a better choice. A teenager in the neighborhood of beloved grandparents? A father of 10 who is a neighbor? A minister or priest? A teacher? A coach? It's someone.

ccane
11-27-2009, 09:30 PM
The posts over the Thanksgiving holidays have done nothing to lead us any closer to baby Somer's murderer. mho
What do they do?
They drag mom T. through the mud and back, and drown her in manure. Why? Must be some kind of agenda that has been trying to get off the ground here for quite some time. It managed to take off over the holidays without the regulars on. mho

Exploiting an adult halloween party from over a year ago does nothing to find the murderer of baby Somer!! mho

I think trying to cast mom T. as the murderer of her child is a waste of time. It's already been done...let common sense prevail! mho

I think trying to cast mom T. as an out of control drug addict addicted to the prescription medication Oxycontin is a waste of time. If she is addicted to prescription meds - let's not throw her in the trash, let's show some compassion and hope she gets the help needed. mho

Saying mom T. is having a good, fun time is ludicrous - please show me where and how!

I wonder what the comments would look like if they were about the people writing them...How many of us could have our entire life thrown in front of judgmental America and mass media over night...and know exactly what to say and how to say it?

I am appalled by the trashy symbolism that has been thrown around to describe mom T. I see all these hateful comments as childish and very immature. And to cast stones at mom T. because she had fun at a Halloween party over a year ago is not only childish, but incredibly shallow. ALL MY OPINIONS

Hope everyone had a great holiday! I'll be back when new information is given out and the discussion is about finding the murderer rather than mom T.

I dont believe we are trying to throw her under the bus as a hobby or a boring thanksgiving holiday. We are seriously trying to weigh the circumstantial evidence and personality traits as with in case. The statistics of mothers who kill vrs RSO are very much a factor. We are not picking on a mother just because or tring to offend anyone. When Casey killed her daughter did web sluthes not look at the mom before she was charged with the crime months later. I truly do not base my opinions on myspace photos

eyes4crime
11-27-2009, 09:37 PM
I honestly do not think that anyone here has a desire to trash anyone.

I thought the purpose of this was to find justice for Somer, and if that leads someone into a place that is uncomfortable for them -

It's really uncomfortable for me -- and I am really trusting, empathetic person. I haven't, honestly, seen one actual tear.

We found water on the moon -- is there any running down those cheeks?

If you are judging guilt and innocence by the amount of tears mom T. has shed, you are making a huge mistake. I've been a pharmacist for decades and I promise you that there are a ton of over the counter and prescription medications that can produce, alter, or stop the production of tears. Do you think all those crying on TV have real tears? there are pages and pages of OTC meds and RX meds in my reference books that prevent or enhance tear production.

Two other areas to consider: The way you are brought up as a child has a great deal to do with the way you grieve in public.

Underlying disease states affect production of tears.

ETA: STRESS affects tear production

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 09:40 PM
I had already come to my own opinions and conclusions, after careful thought and analysis, long before I saw any MS photos, which BTW, I viewed today for the first time.

My opinions and conclusions might be completely off-target, in which case I'll admit it loud and clear, with apologies.

If anyone has any doubt about the statistics regarding child murders, the Bureau of Justice has very good info on their website.

eyes4crime
11-27-2009, 09:44 PM
I dont believe we are trying to throw her under the bus as a hobby or a boring thanksgiving holiday. We are seriously trying to weigh the circumstantial evidence and personality traits as with in case. The statistics of mothers who kill vrs RSO are very much a factor. We are not picking on a mother just because or tring to offend anyone. When Casey killed her daughter did web sluthes not look at the mom before she was charged with the crime months later. I truly do not base my opinions on myspace photos

Many threads back there were a group of posters analyzing mom D. from the psychoanalytic stance - from Maslow's theory and from Erickson's developmental stages. I think, everyone but Freud would be rolling in their graves at the preposterous use of theories on a blog. Are you sure you know enough about mom T. to anayze her personality traits???

human
11-27-2009, 09:47 PM
Many threads back there were a group of posters analyzing mom D. from the psychoanalytic stance - from Maslow's theory and from Erickson's developmental stages. I think, everyone but Freud would be rolling in their graves at the preposterous use of theories on a blog. Are you sure you know enough about mom T. to anayze her personality traits???

Do you as you are analyzing her as well in a different way?

what about this?
11-27-2009, 09:49 PM
If you are judging guilt and innocence by the amount of tears mom T. has shed, you are making a huge mistake. I've been a pharmacist for decades and I promise you that there are a ton of over the counter and prescription medications that can produce, alter, or stop the production of tears. Do you think all those crying on TV have real tears? there are pages and pages of OTC meds and RX meds in my reference books that prevent or enhance tear production.

Two other areas to consider: The way you are brought up as a child has a great deal to do with the way you grieve in public.

Underlying disease states affect production of tears.

Huh?

DT doesn't seem too inhibited to show anything in public. Sorry if that was tacky - but come on, are you saying they brought up a quiet, introverted child who can't/was taught not to show emotion?

That might work in another case -

And, are you trying to say - maybe she has taken a drug to make her NOT cry? Because . . . when real people cry, usually real, honest-to-goodness tears are there --

ccane
11-27-2009, 09:49 PM
By family members vs. by strangers
Younger children are most likely to be murdered by a relative. According to Friedman et al.,[1] of murdered American children younger than five years old, 61% were murdered by their parents (30% murdered by mothers, and 31% by fathers); homicide was the fourth leading cause of death amongst American preschool-aged children, and the third leading cause of death amongst American children five to fourteen years old.

The killing of children is often closely related to instances of prolonged periods of child abuse. Some victims are murdered by parents as part of a murder-suicide. Parents sometimes begin administering corporal punishment that quickly escalates into severe abuse and occasionally murder, as, for example, in the Victoria Climbiť case which occurred in London.

A number of murderers of children are pedophiles who commit lust murder or kill to cover up their other crimes. These latter cases are more notorious, although killings by family members are more common

ccane
11-27-2009, 10:00 PM
Many threads back there were a group of posters analyzing mom D. from the psychoanalytic stance - from Maslow's theory and from Erickson's developmental stages. I think, everyone but Freud would be rolling in their graves at the preposterous use of theories on a blog. Are you sure you know enough about mom T. to anayze her personality traits???

Feel free to add your own theories and debate everything said. I am not here to argue my point but to weight the facts.

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 10:01 PM
There have been many ideas discussed over the course of many threads, from RSOs, to neighbors, to carnival workers, to Gano house renovators, all the way to friends of family or family members.

I'm absolutely positive OPLE, FDLE, CCSO, FBI, and that Naval bureau (can't remember the initials right now) are and have done the same. No stone unturned.

When I see a subject being discussed or sleuthed that I don't care for, or disagree with, I tend to scroll right past, as I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

But I think we're all trying to leave no stone unturned, all the while staying within TOS.

AFAIK, mods haven't told us we can't sleuth family members. They've asked us, among other things, to use initials, and we do.

ccane
11-27-2009, 10:07 PM
If the meds stop one from crying I would accept that fact if there was consistency.

ccane
11-27-2009, 10:11 PM
IDK - It depends on past pattern of behavior. But, without a doubt, if a person has narcissistic personality disorder, it would have begun to appear in later adolescence, fully formed in early adulthood, and that person has spent their entire life manipulating people and situations to gain the center of attention. Drama queen/king extraordinaire. Risky behaviors/law-breaking are other factors.

But many narcissists are fully functioning, just annoying to be around.

Yep I am married to one hahaha.. I am so serious

human
11-27-2009, 10:13 PM
Yes, LE has to look at everyone. They have to be objective. They had a special FBI task force that was there, I believe, from whom we have heard nothing.

They profile. They put info in. It's A, B, C, whatever. They can't be attached. The parents are always the first suspects. Just like a spouse or a B/F or a G/F in the murder of an adult.

There is no info out there. There should be press releases from LE saying an update everyday to the community reassuring them that they are doing everything possible. They should say who they have eliminated. Actually, they haven't even eliminated ST. LE should be saying something.

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 10:13 PM
If the meds stop one from crying I would accept that fact if there was consistency.

Maybe she alternates between the ones that prevent tear production and the ones that enhance it. :waitasec:

ETA: And if all else fails, there's always the one that simply alters it!

Noway
11-27-2009, 10:14 PM
Diena Thompson does not strike me as clever enough to have killed Somer and somehow destroyed or altered all forensic evidence, thereby fooling CCSO, the FBI, NCIS, etc.

JMO

paris_paris
11-27-2009, 10:17 PM
Diena Thompson does not strike me as clever enough to have killed Somer and somehow destroyed or altered all forensic evidence, thereby fooling CCSO, the FBI, NCIS, etc.

JMO

I agree. And I doubt very much if they thought it was her, that they would wait until after Thanksgiving dinner to arrest her (or her boyfriend, friend, teenaged son).

sorrell skye
11-27-2009, 10:20 PM
Now that's a respectful way to disagree! Thank you Noway, and paris paris!

ETA: I've got a dinner date - so I'm outta here!

It's been an interesting discussion today. Thank you to everyone who participated!

Noway
11-27-2009, 10:20 PM
I would imagine that as a parent of a murdered child, if you are appearing on TV and are sobbing hysterically, it sort of defeats the purpose of going on TV in the first place. People can't understand you and your pain makes them uncomfortable. They change the channel. JMO

I think Diena pulls herself together as much as she can during these interviews so that she can keep Somer's name out there, which is key to getting the right person to give the right tip.

As an example ... One of the first interviews with her where she is crying so badly -- sort of a wild keening -- that I had to turn it off. I couldn't bear to watch it, and whatever message she was trying to relay was lost on me. It was only recently that I watched the video, with the sound down so I could barely hear.

Noway
11-27-2009, 10:25 PM
Now that's a respectful way to disagree! Thank you Noway, and paris paris!

ETA: I've got a dinner date - so I'm outta here!

It's been an interesting discussion today. Thank you to everyone who participated!

I was afraid it sounded a little snarky even though that was not how I intended it, but I'm glad you were able to get my point!

I think they have DNA evidence from Somer's body but nobody to match it to. Surely that DNA would have been rushed through so they could compare it to RSOs who have DNA on file and Somer's family members. That is JMO there but it seems like they should rule out the obvious people and then go from there?

panthera
11-27-2009, 10:26 PM
LE has cleared no one. They have made that very specific. So who would be a better choice. A teenager in the neighborhood of beloved grandparents? A father of 10 who is a neighbor? A minister or priest? A teacher? A coach? It's someone.
Yes, it's someone ~ and I'm still of the thought it's someone who knew Somer, or at least knew her habits, lives in the neighborhood (general area between school and home) and either out of convenience or necessity disposed of her in the trash, such as someone who would've had more difficulty removing her body to another location. MOO

human
11-27-2009, 10:26 PM
In this case, I don't know if anyone was trying to be clever. I don't think they thought the body was going to be found.

I think it's remiss for LE to say whether or not she was sexually assaulted. That gives rise to the speculations of family involvement ,which is very unfair to the family if she was.

If she was shot, that also is unfair to the family as that probably wouldn't happen with them as well.

If the Gano house has nothing to do with Somer, that is unfair to the construction company.

I don't think most criminals are master criminals that can fool LE. The one sexual offender that I personally knew graduated from 8th grade. I think that they are lucky, not brilliant.

If it was a family member, the evidence would be more tricky as a lot of it could be explained because of living in the home. The DNA, fibers, etc.

So why do you think LE doesn't say anything?

panthera
11-27-2009, 10:29 PM
I agree, human ~ releasing more information could eliminate some possibilities. MOO

txsvicki
11-27-2009, 10:30 PM
I'm not trashy, hateful, one to roll around in cow chips, and haven't even seen those Halloween pics. Besides thinking the funeral garb was very inappropriate for the occasion, I've discussed theory that a family member of which DT is one, could have had time if driving by and saw Somer dawdling on the street or at the park. Some of the facts given out about previous wandering, thinking this time was different, coming right home, the pause when discussing flagging dow LE are enough to make some people wonder. Without more facts the family and friends are just as likely to be honestly discussed as strangers in the neighborhood. I'm many many miles away and won't be finding out what happened to Somer from here and I know that, but might be able to figure out a few things using some common sense and the little bits and pieces of things we have to go by.

eyes4crime
11-27-2009, 10:32 PM
I agree Noway! Mom dt has the arduous task of trying to keep her child's murder up front in the media so people don't forget. Crying and the inability to form coherent, fluent sentences is highly disrupted by sobbing. People don't want to hear or watch it. mho

I'll say it again - tear production is affected by so many artifacts and circumstances. There are meds that will increase and decrease tear production. Underlying disease states affect tear production. Stress affects tear production. Life history affects tear production. We all grieve differently and to judge guilt or innocence on tears is simply a mistake. The psychopath lacks emotion, lacks the ability to 'get' it. Lacks the ability to empathize and be compassionate - the psychopath can cry or not cry.

human
11-27-2009, 10:34 PM
Do you mean psychopath or sociopath?

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 10:37 PM
I missed alot of the early video's, vigils, I was too busy and it hurt too much. Recently I have watched most of them (trying to find "Chris") and the first vigil when somer went missing... DT's grief is raw and real and heartbreaking to hear her wailing in the background...it is also unbearable to listen to.

just my opinion... But I also think her behavior is suspect. Her lifestyle and the people in her life could very well play a role in what happened to somer. Distasteful or not, it needs to be addressed..

Just because some of us are new here doesnt mean our input is not valuable or needed.. as I am sure everyone was new here at one time. Our O/T conversations on Thanksgiving were a much needed break. I think occasional O/T conversations help to build a cohesive group and encourages new and old members to voice their opinions in a welcoming atmosphere.

All voices and opinions shared are what promote brainstorming and new ideas... Just my opinions from a still newbie

eyes4crime
11-27-2009, 10:38 PM
I'm not trashy, hateful, one to roll around in cow chips, and haven't even seen those Halloween pics. Besides thinking the funeral garb was very inappropriate for the occasion, I've discussed theory that a family member of which DT is one, could have had time if driving by and saw Somer dawdling on the street or at the park. Some of the facts given out about previous wandering, thinking this time was different, coming right home, the pause when discussing flagging dow LE are enough to make some people wonder. Without more facts the family and friends are just as likely to be honestly discussed as strangers in the neighborhood. I'm many many miles away and won't be finding out what happened to Somer from here and I know that, but might be able to figure out a few things using some common sense and the little bits and pieces of things we have to go by.

I never once said YOU were trashy and hateful and roll around in cow chips. Why so defensive? The comments aimed at mom T. can be and have been very trashy, hateful, and smell of cow manure. If you look back through the threads, you will see that they come from a small number of people. Some names stand out and some don't. There are ways to look at, and assign guilt, without trashing a person. To me, using a party from over a year ago to make a point borders on desperate. This is my opinion mho

ccane
11-27-2009, 10:40 PM
I went and looked at other posters posts for awhile and find it interesting that someone would criticize us for looking at DT when they themselves are looking at supects not named yet by LE another board?

eyes4crime
11-27-2009, 10:44 PM
I went and looked at other posters posts for awhile and find it interesting that someone would criticize us for looking at DT when they themselves are looking at supects not named yet by LE another board?

Well good for you! I hope you have a chance to 'nail' that person!!!!

4mer.naybor
11-27-2009, 11:05 PM
I missed alot of the early video's, vigils, I was too busy and it hurt too much. Recently I have watched most of them (trying to find "Chris") and the first vigil when somer went missing... DT's grief is raw and real and heartbreaking to hear her wailing in the background...it is also unbearable to listen to.

just my opinion... But I also think her behavior is suspect. Her lifestyle and the people in her life could very well play a role in what happened to somer. Distasteful or not, it needs to be addressed..

Just because some of us are new here doesnt mean our input is not valuable or needed.. as I am sure everyone was new here at one time. Our O/T conversations on Thanksgiving were a much needed break. I think occasional O/T conversations help to build a cohesive group and encourages new and old members to voice their opinions in a welcoming atmosphere.

All voices and opinions shared are what promote brainstorming and new ideas... Just my opinions from a still newbie

I agree with you completely sadnpod...we are looking for a murderer....there should be no stone left unturned.

Sorry but that is the truth...everyone on here has an opinion or a story that might shed some light on things that the rest of us would never even think of.

As for eyes4crime and repremanding us for criticizing DT, its mostly due to her own behavior, and like it or not, her wild lifestyle could have very well brought a dangerous person into her home at some point. It IS relevant.

ccane
11-27-2009, 11:08 PM
Well good for you! I hope you have a chance to 'nail' that person!!!!

I hope you stay and join in this topic. It is good to have all opinions. I would like to hear your views as well. This is not a one sided conversation and we can agree or not but it opens ours eyes to the possibilities. Everyone of us could be wrong. We just don't know.

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 11:09 PM
ccane... I have a hammer.

Dee10
11-27-2009, 11:11 PM
I haven't been able to make up my own theory as yet. I do find Mom's demeanor from the first couple of days of being on the verge of collapse, seemingly inconsolable and I can't think of another term other than wailing when her child was missing to finding out her daughter was murdered and she becomes certainly functional for the cameras. It reminds me of Ron C. and how he reacted initially to Haleigh being missing (falling down, wailing as if he was grieving her death); so that rings bells for me. But I am not sure at all in this case, no gut feelings. Regarding the Halloween pics tasteless & no class IMO as well as the fundraising, boyfriends, obituary, etc. but that is all I read into it. I wish I had a theory, but I just don't & this case is driving me CRAZY.

Kewpiedoll
11-27-2009, 11:13 PM
Many threads back there were a group of posters analyzing mom D. from the psychoanalytic stance - from Maslow's theory and from Erickson's developmental stages. I think, everyone but Freud would be rolling in their graves at the preposterous use of theories on a blog. Are you sure you know enough about mom T. to anayze her personality traits???

Well -- DT certainly has a 5-star track record of men in and out of her, and her children's lives. She must be one very unlucky woman to keep on marrying *losers* and keep on finding *loser* boyfriends to live with.

While I'm no expert like you in the field of expertise here-- I do have something called *common sense*... and my common sense tells me she has issues with relationships-- period. A revolving door of men in and out of her children's lives is far from healthy... in my opinion. It is more than likely a huge task for LE to investigate all of her men, and their wives, and friends, and families to clear them.

Her drug abuse is a huge problem and I have no problem calling it as I see it. THAT is exactly why no one from the DT camp called 911-- and exactly why SP couldn't take the time go out with the children to look for Somer. SP was on drug clean up duty and getting everything out of that house-- in my opinion. How could they call 911 and have LE in that home with all the drugs.... ? They couldn't-- hence the wasted travel time DT took to drive home, and just knew something was wrong. I want to know why she lied about Somer not ever doing something like this?

I could continue on and on with DT's behavior and from where I am sitting neglect to her children. She was busy getting her drugs and playing house with new boyfriends, instead of paying attention to her children. She knew Somer was having problems and she knew Somer was not coming home from school with the other children-- she even provided the sitter with a list of friends and numbers to call in order to find Somer.

I do not believe DT killed Somer-- she was too busy with her boy toys and party life-- however-- I do believe this killer could easily be someone in and out of her home that is connected to one of many boyfriends, or druggie pals.

AND one last thing-- I don't believe the off topic or non-sleuthing about this case over the holiday is anyone's fault-- LE has not provided any information from the get go, and certainly hasn't provided any updates to help anyone with this case.

:)

paris_paris
11-27-2009, 11:14 PM
Running out of ideas. I decided to try this "triangle" that people were talking about.

Somer's school, 1080 Gano, Somer's home...

Bird's eye, I can't make a triangle out of that. It's like a straight line. hmmm.

Kewpiedoll
11-27-2009, 11:18 PM
Well good for you! I hope you have a chance to 'nail' that person!!!!

A page or so back here-- the group was reprimanded for *childish* comments.... ?????

:twocents:

paris_paris
11-27-2009, 11:23 PM
Ya'll can sleuth me if ya want.

What's my avi?

human
11-27-2009, 11:24 PM
Kewpie doll-you are tough. You certainly calls em as you sees em!

Kewpiedoll
11-27-2009, 11:25 PM
Ya'll can sleuth me if ya want.

What's my avi?

:dance:
I love Paris.... and if I google you I get lovely information.... !!

human
11-27-2009, 11:25 PM
Ya'll can sleuth me if ya want.

What's my avi?

What is this comment supposed to mean? Why would people sleuth you?

zannah
11-27-2009, 11:27 PM
I'm back to looking at the MPR again to see what I've missed. Does anyone recall what relationship TMJ had to DT, if any? I noticed her employer was a nearby car wash, and wondered if that might have been why LE talked to her. A lot of those have video installed, don't they? Wonder if that one does, and if so whether they were able to get evidence from it? Might be why they intimated a car was involved.

4mer.naybor
11-27-2009, 11:28 PM
I'm trying really hard to sit on my hands and let this partly cryptic comment ride but the idea of DT being hospitalized for "something very serious" is driving me almost around the bend.

Care to elaborate - like a good (former) neighbour - LOL - even if it's with additional cryptic hints?

:waitasec:

PS do you happen to smoke? :)


I wish I could open up on this one, but all I can really say is that this was a major low point in her life...I had already moved away, but mutual friends and DT herself filled me in on the details. That is all I have to go on, I wasn't there, but it was big enough for me to walk away. Put your mind to work, there are only so many things that are that serious. Sorry, that is the best I can do on this one.

and sorry I wouldn't have been out in the garage with y'all on thanksgiving night lol

eyes4crime
11-27-2009, 11:31 PM
A page or so back here-- the group was reprimanded for *childish* comments.... ?????

:twocents:

That comment isn't childish!!! I was targeting why it was done. Someone going to another case and looking up a person's comments for the sole purpose of 'getting even' is vindictive and a waste of time.

Any more updates on Freud, Maslow, or Erickson?

paris_paris
11-27-2009, 11:31 PM
What is this comment supposed to mean? Why would people sleuth you?

I dunno. We were fooling around last night trying to figure out what state "Chickadee" was from.

I just googled "paris_paris", and a pic came up. It's not me. :waitasec:

ccane
11-27-2009, 11:31 PM
I would like to say for the record.. I think most of us on here have had somthing happen to our loved ones or to ourselfs. Thats what makes us come here in the first place. I for one am not anti mothers and know the pain of having a child victimized by a pedofile. I would love nothing more then to point my finger at a RSO or any guy. I am usally bias against the RSO and pro the Mom. I have no reason to throw Mom under the bus just because.

Kewpiedoll
11-27-2009, 11:32 PM
Kewpie doll-you are tough. You certainly calls em as you sees em!

LOL... well-- when it comes to turning a blind eye of the very person that was in charge of taking care of their child, and that so called person is the Mother-- who neglected the child, it burns me to know this could have been prevented.

Another thing that irks me to no end is the mere thought of these children having all these men in and out of their lives. It will take years of counseling over Somer, and all the strange men in and out of their lives.
I can't even begin to imagine what their photo albums look like. A different man for every occassion-- sheesh. AND the final photos for Somer is the latest boyfriend holding DT at the vigils, and hanging on him to the funeral. Yea... it was better to hang on the throw away boyfriend instead of her living children. They had to walk alone in front of her and the one alone by himself behind her.

The answer as to why Somer only had a few photos released is pretty simple. DT had too many ex's to choose from in the photos.

:)

tarabull
11-27-2009, 11:33 PM
Ya'll can sleuth me if ya want.

What's my avi?

Mighty Ducks logo

VirginiaTwo
11-27-2009, 11:37 PM
Mighty Ducks logo

Ohh, ya beat me to it! I knew there was a hockey puck on there, and the fancy M reminded me of ice skating spikes. I was getting there slowly. LOL

Kewpiedoll
11-27-2009, 11:37 PM
That comment isn't childish!!! I was targeting why it was done. Someone going to another case and looking up a person's comments for the sole purpose of 'getting even' is vindictive and a waste of time.

Any more updates on Freud, Maslow, or Erickson?

I am just the arm chair blogger with common sense-- lol
I will depend on your expert advice from the pharmacy... :)

I'm all eyes.... and ready for the reading.

Thanks in advance---

paris_paris
11-27-2009, 11:38 PM
Well, you got the sport right. Wrong league though.

I can tell you didn't Google. Thanx for that. lol

ccane
11-27-2009, 11:39 PM
I wish I could open up on this one, but all I can really say is that this was a major low point in her life...I had already moved away, but mutual friends and DT herself filled me in on the details. That is all I have to go on, I wasn't there, but it was big enough for me to walk away. Put your mind to work, there are only so many things that are that serious. Sorry, that is the best I can do on this one.

and sorry I wouldn't have been out in the garage with y'all on thanksgiving night lol

I argee .I think it is best for you not to tell any info on private matters that you where privy to.

houndstooth
11-27-2009, 11:41 PM
LE has not named any suspects. No person(s) of interest. Should there be no discussion of the case? I have not asked to see, nor do I wish to, any "party" pictures.
My opinions are being formed based on the available facts as presented in this case.
1) the subject DT flagged down an officer before she admits to going home to check.
Has not been verified as to what time she left work. Has not been verified as to when she asked SP to come over, or whether they had lunch or anything related to him. All of that is AS STATED by herself. Her reasoning for going to OPAA stated as to pick up her son (AC), was not substantiated by the MPR on the face of it or by incidental comments made in the media of him having gone out later, of him staying out and searching 3 hours. Neither of which coincides with her stated purpose of picking him up. Why pick him up when other younger children walk it every day?
2) She states she knew this time was different, she knew something bad had happened. But, neglected to call 911 in order to substantiate those statements. If the deputy would not have passed by then, when was she planning to contact them?

3) It has been stated very well by other posters, that her original dress has not changed, as compared to the description of her backpack. Someone as observant as she was on the one hand was surprisingly lax on something 3 weeks later being reported as flamboyant and memorable as the tote bag and lunch box sketches.

4) The use of a much older photograph that was acknowledged widely to have been unrecognizable to the neighbors as the missing child.

5) Having your children collect money on street corners in exchange for fliers before she was discovered. And starting a non-stop fundraising campaign that began before the funeral and continues up to the present. Using the death of your child as your sole means of income because you quit your job is unusual in today's legal system which allows for extended leave in such circumstances. Thereby negating the necessity of quitting your employment.

6) Stating the use of the media as a means of getting your story out there and making sure it stays highlighted as an inducement to LE is ludicrous. They are going to do their job in solving this crime whether the media features it on the morning shows or not!!

These are just a few of the circumstantial evidences of something worthy of closer inspection. None of the principals named on the MPR can be verified except by phone records, as to the times and locations of their whereabouts that we are not privy too at this time. None of those 4.

VirginiaTwo
11-27-2009, 11:41 PM
Well, you got the sport right. Wrong league though.

I can tell you didn't Google. Thanx for that. lol

Montreal?

tarabull
11-27-2009, 11:43 PM
Kewpie doll-you are tough. You certainly calls em as you sees em!

Yes she sure is isn't she.....and she does it so well!

THAT'S MY GIRL!

:)

WE'VE been missin YOU Kewpie...YOU sure picked a nice time to stop by!

hehehehe.

eyes4crime
11-27-2009, 11:43 PM
Well -- DT certainly has a 5-star track record of men in and out of her, and her children's lives. She must be one very unlucky woman to keep on marrying *losers* and keep on finding *loser* boyfriends to live with.

While I'm no expert like you in the field of expertise here-- I do have something called *common sense*... and my common sense tells me she has issues with relationships-- period. A revolving door of men in and out of her children's lives is far from healthy... in my opinion. It is more than likely a huge task for LE to investigate all of her men, and their wives, and friends, and families to clear them.

Her drug abuse is a huge problem and I have no problem calling it as I see it. THAT is exactly why no one from the DT camp called 911-- and exactly why SP couldn't take the time go out with the children to look for Somer. SP was on drug clean up duty and getting everything out of that house-- in my opinion. How could they call 911 and have LE in that home with all the drugs.... ? They couldn't-- hence the wasted travel time DT took to drive home, and just knew something was wrong. I want to know why she lied about Somer not ever doing something like this?

I could continue on and on with DT's behavior and from where I am sitting neglect to her children. She was busy getting her drugs and playing house with new boyfriends, instead of paying attention to her children. She knew Somer was having problems and she knew Somer was not coming home from school with the other children-- she even provided the sitter with a list of friends and numbers to call in order to find Somer.

I do not believe DT killed Somer-- she was too busy with her boy toys and party life-- however-- I do believe this killer could easily be someone in and out of her home that is connected to one of many boyfriends, or druggie pals.

AND one last thing-- I don't believe the off topic or non-sleuthing about this case over the holiday is anyone's fault-- LE has not provided any information from the get go, and certainly hasn't provided any updates to help anyone with this case.

:)

5 star track record with loser men - maybe we should do checks on all her husbands to see how they affected mom T. and the kids. Could it be that they did ddrugs also? Maybe not receiving child support put mom T. at risk for losing her child to murder. Maybe the murderer is a friend of one of the husband's. You say you have common sense - so think about how having trouble with relationships can be so one-sided - you blame it all on mom. What the heck - don't the men involved have stamina to say 'no' to marriage or to a relationship? Are you suggesting they are all wimps?

I have never ONCE said the people in her life are not suspect. I have said that her party from over a year ago is not the reason Somer has been murdered. It could be a friend of one of her husbands or a neighbor, or a teacher, principal, or policeman, or perhaps, a child predator. I do not believe it was mom nor do I think her lifestyle is the reason for Somer being murdered. If life-style such as mom T's is the one and only reason Somer was murdered and thrown in the trash, then we would be able to prevent other children from the same fate as Somer. mho

I have as much right to disagree with the 20 or so pages of trashing mom T. over the holidays as you have to disagree with me. What's all the fuss about?

zannah
11-27-2009, 11:49 PM
[QUOTE=houndstooth;4495257]
5) Having your children collect money on street corners in exchange for fliers before she was discovered.

That's interesting--in one of the videos I viewed recently--think it was of the first vigil--the newscasters were talking about how numerous local businesses were printing the flyers for free.

ccane
11-27-2009, 11:53 PM
5 star track record with loser men - maybe we should do checks on all her husbands to see how they affected mom T. and the kids. Could it be that they did ddrugs also? Maybe not receiving child support put mom T. at risk for losing her child to murder. Maybe the murderer is a friend of one of the husband's. You say you have common sense - so think about how having trouble with relationships can be so one-sided - you blame it all on mom. What the heck - don't the men involved have stamina to say 'no' to marriage or to a relationship? Are you suggesting they are all wimps?

I have never ONCE said the people in her life are not suspect. I have said that her party from over a year ago is not the reason Somer has been murdered. It could be a friend of one of her husbands or a neighbor, or a teacher, principal, or policeman, or perhaps, a child predator. I do not believe it was mom nor do I think her lifestyle is the reason for Somer being murdered. If life-style such as mom T's is the one and only reason Somer was murdered and thrown in the trash, then we would be able to prevent other children from the same fate as Somer. mho

I have as much right to disagree with the 20 or so pages of trashing mom T. over the holidays as you have to disagree with me. What's all the fuss about?

I agree Lifestyle does not make a child killer. I am logging off for today see you all tomorrow..

Lets go play clue for awhile

It's MR mustard in the hall with the candle stick :woohoo:

human
11-27-2009, 11:53 PM
20 pages of trashing Mom? Maybe 20 comments about discussing the possibility of involvement and the reasons for thinking so.

VirginiaTwo
11-27-2009, 11:55 PM
O/T (Sort of) I seem to remember that a few states have chickadees as their state bird. Just a thought. Sometimes things are not a process of elimination, but rather an also scenario. KWIM?

Perhaps there is something else to which we are not privy that is causing DT to act in the way she is acting. Just a thought.

sadnpod
11-27-2009, 11:55 PM
5 star track record with loser men - maybe we should do checks on all her husbands to see how they affected mom T. and the kids. Could it be that they did ddrugs also? Maybe not receiving child support put mom T. at risk for losing her child to murder. Maybe the murderer is a friend of one of the husband's. You say you have common sense - so think about how having trouble with relationships can be so one-sided - you blame it all on mom. What the heck - don't the men involved have stamina to say 'no' to marriage or to a relationship? Are you suggesting they are all wimps?

I have never ONCE said the people in her life are not suspect. I have said that her party from over a year ago is not the reason Somer has been murdered. It could be a friend of one of her husbands or a neighbor, or a teacher, principal, or policeman, or perhaps, a child predator. I do not believe it was mom nor do I think her lifestyle is the reason for Somer being murdered. If life-style such as mom T's is the one and only reason Somer was murdered and thrown in the trash, then we would be able to prevent other children from the same fate as Somer. mho

I have as much right to disagree with the 20 or so pages of trashing mom T. over the holidays as you have to disagree with me. What's all the fuss about?

I honestly believe that better judgement on her mothers part could have prevented somers murder, and I also believe another parent using better judgement could prevent other children this same fate.

20+ pages of trashing "mom t" (this is an unusual way to address DT) over the Holidays... she has been discussed more today than yesterday... I thought you were complaining about off topic conversations on smoking... I think 20+ pages is an exaggeration and yes, I also would like to know... whats all the fuss about?

tarabull
11-28-2009, 12:00 AM
That's interesting--in one of the videos I viewed recently--think it was of the first vigil--the newscasters were talking about how numerous local businesses were printing the flyers for free.

It was AC that said that, him & his friend were handing out flyers and he was surprised total strangers were giving money.

I could find the link....

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 12:00 AM
20 pages of trashing Mom? Maybe 20 comments about discussing the possibility of involvement and the reasons for thinking so.

I can go back to that one video clip interview with DT... the reporter ask her is she had thought about anyone, or something that could have happened.... DT started to answer and that clip was majorly edited prior to going on the air....! Do you remember that clip?

I think DT knows more than she is letting the public or possibly LE know.
I don't trust her-- she lied about Somer not doing this wandering off from the get go. What else is she lying about? Once someone starts off with a lie, that one lie leads to another and another. Some of the things that came out of her mouth were just jaw dropping.... I can only imagine the language she uses in front of her children, and the language she used on Somer.

I will see if I can find that old clip from the beginning... never hurts to take a new look, and listen again.

4mer.naybor
11-28-2009, 12:05 AM
Well FWIW the thanksgiving break was like coming up for air after 23 serious threads for a month now....it was no big deal, I wasn't part of it, but don't blame y'all for a bit of laughter either. goodness even GOD decided to rest on the 7th day.

I haven't jumped in on the clue game yet...but perhaps Ms Scarlet is covering up for Mr. Green...in an alley with a baseball bat....yeah it isn't supposed to make sense....nothing cryptic there. lol

VirginiaTwo
11-28-2009, 12:05 AM
I have two awful scenarios in my head. One is very similar to what others have stated here: that perhaps Mom located Somer and things got out of hand. The whailing and broken-heartedness we witnessed would still fit with that scenario. Can you imagine how any one of us would be absolutely tortured and crushed if we accidentally caused our own child's death? Oh my Gosh! Talk about denial to be able to even get out of bed?!?! I cannot even imagine the confusion, guilt, and suffering. I hope nothing like that happened.

The other scenario is of a dog attack. Perhaps a dog attacked Somer, and the owner panicked, similar to the hit-by-car scenarios brought up here.

Regardless of everything, I still wonder about SAP. He may be The One, or a part of something larger. I hope not, but .........

And there's a new person on my list ....... ARGH!!!!

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 12:05 AM
I agree Lifestyle does not make a child killer. I am logging off for today see you all tomorrow..

Lets go play clue for awhile

It's MR mustard in the hall with the candle stick :woohoo:

Hmmm... interesting post.
I must have missed where someone thinks DT's lifestyle made DT kill Somer.... personally I don't think DT killed Somer-- she was too darn busy with her druggie pals, and boyfriends to even know what backpack Somer had that day, nor could she could even remember telling her daughter she loved her. Brain on drugs does that to your memory you know...

Her lifestyle did play a big major role in Somer taking off ahead of the others... DT didn't have the time of day to take care of Somer and her problems. She probably did everything she could to keep Somer out of her hair. No wonder the poor little girl would wander the neighborhood lonley looking for a playmate-- she was lonely!!

Have a good time playing your game... hope you win.

:)

4mer.naybor
11-28-2009, 12:18 AM
well with DT's outgoing personality...Im sure she (DT) "didn't know a stranger" either...poor Somer probably thought it was normal to talk to anyone and everyone...not ever developing that fear that makes us wary of people we don't know. Does that make sense?



Apple <----not that far----> Tree

eyes4crime
11-28-2009, 12:21 AM
I honestly believe that better judgement on her mothers part could have prevented somers murder, and I also believe another parent using better judgement could prevent other children this same fate.

20+ pages of trashing "mom t" (this is an unusual way to address DT) over the Holidays... she has been discussed more today than yesterday... I thought you were complaining about off topic conversations on smoking... I think 20+ pages is an exaggeration and yes, I also would like to know... whats all the fuss about?

Wed. night, all Thanksgiving day, and all today...lots of pages of trashing mom. I know, because I always read from where I left off. Imo most of it is senseless attacks and conjecture regarding mom T.

I agree - in every murdered and/or missing child's life there is someone that could have had better judgement or thought differently or done something different that may have changed the outcome. You and others want to focus on the mom and I want to focus on pedophiles, psychopaths, and child predators. To me, they are are the ones who go undetected. Research tells us they prey on the vulnerable and have antennae that pick out the most vulnerable, both in families and in child victims.

sadnpod
11-28-2009, 12:22 AM
I have two awful scenarios in my head. One is very similar to what others have stated here: that perhaps Mom located Somer and things got out of hand. The whailing and broken-heartedness we witnessed would still fit with that scenario. Can you imagine how any one of us would be absolutely tortured and crushed if we accidentally caused our own child's death? Oh my Gosh! Talk about denial to be able to even get out of bed?!?! I cannot even imagine the confusion, guilt, and suffering. I hope nothing like that happened.

The other scenario is of a dog attack. Perhaps a dog attacked Somer, and the owner panicked, similar to the hit-by-car scenarios brought up here.

Regardless of everything, I still wonder about SAP. He may be The One, or a part of something larger. I hope not, but .........

And there's a new person on my list ....... ARGH!!!!

UGH.. more initials who is ARGH? (just kidding) I also wonder about SP. Take the vulgarity out of the pics and the background has its own tales, also the date.. I think the year is right,,, DT and SP are much younger looking.. wonder how far they go back? Looks like a pic of ST in uniform on the wall as well... and twins pic.. they are babies..

Cheewawa007
11-28-2009, 12:22 AM
1)In regards to DT telling the LE Somer has never done this type of thing before. Think about it - had DT shared this info with the LE from the beginning, they would not have been so eager to help her search (not that they were from the get-go). They would have blown her off & said she's probably at a little friends house & she'll come home soon. She didn't tell them Somer's done this before because she knew they wouldn't take her seriously.
2) I had a second comment but I lost my train of thought........

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 12:23 AM
well with DT's outgoing personality...Im sure she (DT) "didn't know a stranger" either...poor Somer probably thought it was normal to talk to anyone and everyone...not ever developing that fear that makes us wary of people we don't know. Does that make sense?



Apple <----not that far----> Tree

I do recall the statement that Somer did not know a stranger, and would even hug the crossing guards. It was also stated she would wander the neighborhood (per neighbors) looking for someone to play with. She probably talked to anyone that gave her the time of day, and would pay attention to her.

Sad,sad,sad.....!

VirginiaTwo
11-28-2009, 12:23 AM
I honestly believe that better judgement on her mothers part could have prevented somers murder, and I also believe another parent using better judgement could prevent other children this same fate.

20+ pages of trashing "mom t" (this is an unusual way to address DT) over the Holidays... she has been discussed more today than yesterday... I thought you were complaining about off topic conversations on smoking... I think 20+ pages is an exaggeration and yes, I also would like to know... whats all the fuss about?

Agree 100%. Part of parenting is reaching out to our troubled kids and helping them to find solutions. Sometimes it hurts to be a kid. Parents can do a great deal to heal hurts and encourage positive action. Neglect is not just physical. There is emotional neglect also.

I looovveed the Thanksgiving Laughs! My computer would not stay logged on, so I just read and hung out. I was laughing with you all ..... even though I don't have a garage. LOL Just playing, I don't smoke, but it was sure funny. MammaD is hilarious. Did her Uncles sell the boxes of smokes as if they were name brand? What characters!

Cheewawa007
11-28-2009, 12:27 AM
I have two awful scenarios in my head. One is very similar to what others have stated here: that perhaps Mom located Somer and things got out of hand. The whailing and broken-heartedness we witnessed would still fit with that scenario. Can you imagine how any one of us would be absolutely tortured and crushed if we accidentally caused our own child's death? Oh my Gosh! Talk about denial to be able to even get out of bed?!?! I cannot even imagine the confusion, guilt, and suffering. I hope nothing like that happened.

The other scenario is of a dog attack. Perhaps a dog attacked Somer, and the owner panicked, similar to the hit-by-car scenarios brought up here.

Regardless of everything, I still wonder about SAP. He may be The One, or a part of something larger. I hope not, but .........

And there's a new person on my list ....... ARGH!!!!

BBM: I've never seen that one put out there Virginia - very possible!!! I'm impressed.

eyes4crime
11-28-2009, 12:28 AM
well with DT's outgoing personality...Im sure she (DT) "didn't know a stranger" either...poor Somer probably thought it was normal to talk to anyone and everyone...not ever developing that fear that makes us wary of people we don't know. Does that make sense?



Apple <----not that far----> Tree

If a child has a vulnerability - the child predator will find it. If mom or dad has any vulnerabilities - the psychopath will find, exploit and use each and every one of them. That info comes from Dr. Robert Hare - 35 years of research on the psychopath.

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 12:29 AM
1)In regards to DT telling the LE Somer has never done this type of thing before. Think about it - had DT shared this info with the LE from the beginning, they would not have been so eager to help her search (not that they were from the get-go). They would have blown her off & said she's probably at a little friends house & she'll come home soon. She didn't tell them Somer's done this before because she knew they wouldn't take her seriously.
2) I had a second comment but I lost my train of thought........

Yea... very good thinking chee....
DT could have lied just to keep LE serious, and also had her pal SP on druggie clean up duty before LE made it to her home. Hence the reason she nor SP phoned 911.... !!

human
11-28-2009, 12:29 AM
I don't know if what DT did or didn't do as far as watching Somer would lead to anything or not. OP was considered safe. It seems like a lot of safeguards were in place for kids walking home with the crossing guards and all.

With her job and PC's job there should have been enough money for some kind of childcare. It sounds from some postings on the newspaper sites that there is after school childcare. Really, she could not trust Somer because she didn't come home a few times. A child of that age could get into anything.

My friend left her daughter home when she was about that age for about an hour. And this child was very responsible. She was playing on the upstairs railing and somehow got her foot stuck in it and was hanging upside down. She couldn't right herself. Fortunately, it wasn't for long. Kids do dumb stuff. Even if you are home as a parent, they do dumb stuff.

Somer was in first grade. That's really young for disappearing for an hour and calling around to find out where she is. Hindsight is so 20-20. I think the older you get and have a lot more life experiences, you see the possibilities for tragedy. DT is pretty young to me as I have kids her age.

I agree, however, that the people DT had enter into her life may not be the wisest choices. I'm shocked everyday on what parents do to their kids.

I very briefly watched an LE guy talk on Oprah about sex videos on the net. He said the worst one was of someone having sex with a baby that still had it's umbilical cord. What can I say?

sadnpod
11-28-2009, 12:29 AM
Wed. night, all Thanksgiving day, and all today...lots of pages of trashing mom. I know, because I always read from where I left off. Imo most of it is senseless attacks and conjecture regarding mom T.

I agree - in every murdered and/or missing child's life there is someone that could have had better judgement or thought differently or done something different that may have changed the outcome. You and others want to focus on the mom and I want to focus on pedophiles, psychopaths, and child predators. To me, they are are the ones who go undetected. Research tells us they prey on the vulnerable and have antennae that pick out the most vulnerable, both in families and in child victims.

I have been focusing on pedophiles, psychopaths and child predators...
my personal focus has never been on DT.. Because of this I think we have eliminated at least one RSO. You say you also want to focus on this, yet every post you have made today continues to focus on DT, or mom T to you. Why are you so defensive about DT?

VirginiaTwo
11-28-2009, 12:30 AM
UGH.. more initials who is ARGH? (just kidding) I also wonder about SP. Take the vulgarity out of the pics and the background has its own tales, also the date.. I think the year is right,,, DT and SP are much younger looking.. wonder how far they go back? Looks like a pic of ST in uniform on the wall as well... and twins pic.. they are babies..

Aunt Ruthie's Ghoulish Handyman? UGH must be Ugly Ghoulish Handyman. But we're not sure if it's the same handyman, 'cause they have different DOB's and middle initials. Besides, does ghoulish equal ugly?

Sorry, couldn't resist. Isn't the date of those party photos before DT & ST split? I don't know, I just thought I heard the two year mark being thrown around as when they split. The pics are from 2003/2004 yes? Hmmmmm. Please don't tell me ST was in Iraq at that time?!

sadnpod
11-28-2009, 12:38 AM
Aunt Ruthie's Ghoulish Handyman? UGH must be Ugly Ghoulish Handyman. But we're not sure if it's the same handyman, 'cause they have different DOB's and middle initials. Besides, does ghoulish equal ugly?

Sorry, couldn't resist. Isn't the date of those party photos before DT & ST split? I don't know, I just thought I heard the two year mark being thrown around as when they split. The pics are from 2003/2004 yes? Hmmmmm. Please don't tell me ST was in Iraq at that time?!

Im not sure of split date... two years since ST saw the kids... they were split up for a while before that, but I dont know how long...nor do I know when ST was in Iraq... but I will find out, not because I care when they split, but because I am curious about the depth and longevity of DT/SP relationship. He does seem to be in charge of the fund raisers and the bank account.

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 12:40 AM
I have been focusing on pedophiles, psychopaths and child predators...
my personal focus has never been on DT.. Because of this I think we have eliminated at least one RSO. You say you also want to focus on this, yet every post you have made today continues to focus on DT, or mom T to you. Why are you so defensive about DT?

Ah ha... quite the observation... lol
Do as I say not as I do kinda thing..... ??? Typically speaking-- I call em'
hall monitors.

:)

Carry on... pod... :)

Rhyme & Reason
11-28-2009, 12:41 AM
Somebody could tell you if you had 50 posts.

Go to the games thread and play for awhile.

Could someone please tell me? I have more than 50 posts!! TIA

4mer.naybor
11-28-2009, 12:44 AM
Aunt Ruthie's Ghoulish Handyman? UGH must be Ugly Ghoulish Handyman. But we're not sure if it's the same handyman, 'cause they have different DOB's and middle initials. Besides, does ghoulish equal ugly?

Sorry, couldn't resist. Isn't the date of those party photos before DT & ST split? I don't know, I just thought I heard the two year mark being thrown around as when they split. The pics are from 2003/2004 yes? Hmmmmm. Please don't tell me ST was in Iraq at that time?!

Oh boy Sadnpod might know the answer to this one...all I can verify is that this is the same time frame as the "hospitalization" (c.2003-2004)

txsvicki
11-28-2009, 12:46 AM
DT said answered on one interview that yes, Somer would have gotten into someone's car. Of course, I think any child could be tricked, but one that you know would get in, that hugs all sorts of people, (crossing guards are strangers since kids cross with them and never actually know them), and doesn't know a stranger is a child who needs total supervision. If LE had been told all that in the beginning they would have definitely taken it seriously.

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 12:47 AM
Oh boy Sadnpod might know the answer to this one...all I can verify is that this is the same time frame as the "hospitalization" (c.2003-2004)

Makes me wonder if this hush hush hospitalization was from dug over-dose with her drug problem, or if she flipped a nutty while out of it and ended up with a 5150 in that type of hospital... ((things that make you go..?))

eyes4crime
11-28-2009, 12:50 AM
I have been focusing on pedophiles, psychopaths and child predators...
my personal focus has never been on DT.. Because of this I think we have eliminated at least one RSO. You say you also want to focus on this, yet every post you have made today continues to focus on DT, or mom T to you. Why are you so defensive about DT?

Some people like to focus on mom..any and all moms. some people obviously have a grudge against mom T. some people don't know what else to talk about in a case that is going cold - and that's me right now. I found it important to address the pages and pages trashing mom T over the holidays...I'm done now and hope something of substance will soon be released by LE - that will give most something relevant to discuss.

If I come across a bit defensive regarding mom DT, maybe I am. I have a place in my heart for single moms. One day my husband suddenly died and left me a single mom - and although I never had a tragic event with my children, I do know how difficult it is to provide and care for your family. And, I can honestly say, that if one of my children had ever been murdered, disappeared, or in harms way, I'm not sure at all how/what I would have done. I've devoted much of my professional life to forensics and/or single moms.

not_my_kids
11-28-2009, 12:52 AM
I've had a mystery hospitalization...I would hate to have my child go missing, as I would definitely be villified to the nth degree. (Course, I don't hide things, which might help if I ever find myself in that situation. Sorta the let it all hang out type.)

Do we have any confirmation that there was any drug use in the household around the time that Somer disappeared?
Just curious, trying to sort out rumor from truth.

sadnpod
11-28-2009, 12:52 AM
If a child has a vulnerability - the child predator will find it. If mom or dad has any vulnerabilities - the psychopath will find, exploit and use each and every one of them. That info comes from Dr. Robert Hare - 35 years of research on the psychopath.
__________________

I dont need 35 years of research to know that a 7yr old child left to walk alone or be supervised by a 10 yr old child is vulnerable... THEY BOTH are.. Research also shows criminals are lazy and look for easy targets.. common sense tells me unsupervised children are easy targets...

4mer.naybor
11-28-2009, 12:53 AM
Makes me wonder if this hush hush hospitalization was from dug over-dose with her drug problem, or if she flipped a nutty while out of it and ended up with a 5150 in that type of hospital... ((things that make you go..?))

I wish I knew which one it was for as well...but in the neighborhood back then, DT was our Britney for sure.

As a matter of fact several of the neighbors laughed as they knew that one day.....one day we would see DT on Tv....but no one ever imagined it would be under these circumstances.

amysmom
11-28-2009, 12:57 AM
(gives a whole new meaning to "pin the tail on the donkey", doesn't it?)

sbm

for sure! & it should come with a warning..for adults only..cos ya know
somebody's kids (or all of them!) have checked out parent's ms..what kid
would not be curious? :waitasec:

eyes4crime
11-28-2009, 01:00 AM
Ah ha... quite the observation... lol
Do as I say not as I do kinda thing..... ??? Typically speaking-- I call em'
hall monitors.

:)

Carry on... pod... :)

Triangulation, conquer and divide and all the little games some play simply don't work on a blog. Placing people you don't know into a made-up category is dangerous and misses the human element of who the person really is. Somehow, your posts make more sense to me...Have fun kewpiedoll!

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 01:01 AM
Some people like to focus on mom..any and all moms. some people obviously have a grudge against mom T. some people don't know what else to talk about in a case that is going cold - and that's me right now. I found it important to address the pages and pages trashing mom T over the holidays...I'm done now and hope something of substance will soon be released by LE - that will give most something relevant to discuss.

If I come across a bit defensive regarding mom DT, maybe I am. I have a place in my heart for single moms. One day my husband suddenly died and left me a single mom - and although I never had a tragic event with my children, I do know how difficult it is to provide and care for your family. And, I can honestly say, that if one of my children had ever been murdered, disappeared, or in harms way, I'm not sure at all how/what I would have done. I've devoted much of my professional life to forensics and/or single moms.

If we are breaking TOS by posting for pages and pages on a topic that it is not allowed here, I trust WS would be stepping in and taking care of this. For a poster to continually for pages and pages tell us what we can and can't post is ridiculous.

I will speak for myself here... I will post on whatever topic I wish with or without your approval, thank you anyway. AND if it takes me 20 pages to figure something out- well so be it. This is open discussion and all players are allowed to be discussed except minors, and posting certain links.

I'm not going in a corner and NOT discussing MOM T... DT... or whatever anyone wants to call her.

She has lawyered up and I want to know why-- she has NOT been excluded -- nor has anyone been officially cleared of anything, unless you are privy to information none of us have..??

LogicalMinds
11-28-2009, 01:02 AM
The one thing that stands out to me here was that Somer TOLD A CONSTRUCTION WORKER HE WAS DOING A GOOD JOB

That is just so...? odd ? for a little girl to go up to a house under construction, and talk to a construction worker?? It just baffles me

I think it shows an "insight" into the way this particular little girl was especially vulnerable?

sadnpod
11-28-2009, 01:03 AM
Some people like to focus on mom..any and all moms. some people obviously have a grudge against mom T. some people don't know what else to talk about in a case that is going cold - and that's me right now. I found it important to address the pages and pages trashing mom T over the holidays...I'm done now and hope something of substance will soon be released by LE - that will give most something relevant to discuss.

If I come across a bit defensive regarding mom DT, maybe I am. I have a place in my heart for single moms. One day my husband suddenly died and left me a single mom - and although I never had a tragic event with my children, I do know how difficult it is to provide and care for your family. And, I can honestly say, that if one of my children had ever been murdered, disappeared, or in harms way, I'm not sure at all how/what I would have done. I've devoted much of my professional life to forensics and/or single moms.

I think most of us have a place in our hearts for single moms. can u please elaborate on the bolded remark above?

not_my_kids
11-28-2009, 01:04 AM
I don't see any reason not to discuss DT...It would be great without the out and out bashing of her, but as far as not discussing her, that would be...well...impossible, considering her role in this case.
Moo, and other cow sounds.

human
11-28-2009, 01:04 AM
I'm not a single mom and never have been, but obviously everyone has plenty of friends that are single moms. It's hard enough with a two parent family.

I don't think anyone is picking on her because she's a single mom. I think that we are looking at the inconsistencies that just don't add up. I don't think it would matter if she had been married with an intact family. I felt that you might be taking all of this personally.

There are things in her life that would seem to make the family vulnerable to a psychopath, be that family members or friends or acquaintances. Or it could have been something that just went out of control under stress.

It really is horrible that LE does not clear the family as obviously DT is getting hate mail. If she is innocent, that is horrible.

eyes4crime
11-28-2009, 01:04 AM
If a child has a vulnerability - the child predator will find it. If mom or dad has any vulnerabilities - the psychopath will find, exploit and use each and every one of them. That info comes from Dr. Robert Hare - 35 years of research on the psychopath.
__________________

I dont need 35 years of research to know that a 7yr old child left to walk alone or be supervised by a 10 yr old child is vulnerable... THEY BOTH are.. Research also shows criminals are lazy and look for easy targets.. common sense tells me unsupervised children are easy targets...

Maybe if mom T. had received her child support Somer would have had a better chance of after school supervision. it costs money ya know. Or, do you think she should have quit her job so she could be home after school?

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 01:05 AM
The one thing that stands out to me here was that Somer TOLD A CONSTRUCTION WORKER HE WAS DOING A GOOD JOB

That is just so...? odd ? for a little girl to go up to a house under construction, and talk to a construction worker?? It just baffles me

I think it shows an "insight" into the way this particular little girl was especially vulnerable?
I can almost picture Somer saying that... she probably talked to the roofing contractors a lot when they worked on the house next door to her. She was lonely and I think she knew her killer. I think her wandering off was her killer already talking to her on those days she lingered behind.

not_my_kids
11-28-2009, 01:09 AM
I can almost picture Somer saying that... she probably talked to the roofing contractors a lot when they worked on the house next door to her. She was lonely and I think she knew her killer. I think her wandering off was her killer already talking to her on those days she lingered behind.

I agree fully with that and have thought basically this from the beginning. I think she was being groomed for awhile. (I didn't know about the house next door, but I can't keep up with every post, LOL.)

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 01:12 AM
Maybe if mom T. had received her child support Somer would have had a better chance of after school supervision. it costs money ya know. Or, do you think she should have quit her job so she could be home after school?


How do you know she didn't get child support? She had another man living with her making $$$..... guess you are saying he didn't pay his way either??? SHE had plenty of spare change for her drugs-- but no after school care for her children? She could go home and have a long lunch with SP... and not work something out with her job to get her children?
Seems she could manage to swing a long lunch for a man-- but forget
doing that for her children.

Not buying it... not one iota... guess child support, her job, a live in with a job, and a few strays on the side with a job wasn't enough cash to share with caring for the children.

Again-- we are not privy to her child support situation... and I have to ask another question-- since Somers mother, MOMMY T, or DT... whatever she is... didn't mention Sam as Somer's father-- well is he her father or not and is that why no child support if she claims she didn't get any?

I recall Amber Frey getting child support from the guy she pointed the finger at for being the Daddy, and wouldn't ya know... he did the DNA and had been paying all along only to find out that he was NOT the daddy.

Dee10
11-28-2009, 01:14 AM
Someone posted here (somewhere) Mom makes $14 per hour, which would be approx. $29,000 per year and that b/f posted on his my space he earned 40-60,000? Sorry I can't confirm this but if true, that puts their income at $69,000 to $90,000 and IMO hardly chump change but of course it depends how you spend your money.

tarabull
11-28-2009, 01:15 AM
Maybe if mom T. had received her child support Somer would have had a better chance of after school supervision. it costs money ya know. Or, do you think she should have quit her job so she could be home after school?

I wonder if DT knew that before she had 5??

:waitasec:

eyes4crime
11-28-2009, 01:15 AM
I think most of us have a place in our hearts for single moms. can u please elaborate on the bolded remark above?

If you would - please note in your post that 'you' bolded my sentence. And, no - I have no need to elaborate on why some people have a grudge or focus on mom T. as a contributing factor to her daughter's murder, or is the murderer. I'm sure those who do, know they do and they alone know their need to do so.

I have no problem discussing mom DT., but there are ways to do it so if her children or family should be reading these threads, it doesn't culminate into a character assassination. I don't see how that kind of speculation is a worthy contribution mho

eyes4crime
11-28-2009, 01:17 AM
I wonder if DT knew that before she had 5??

:waitasec:

What's your point?????

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 01:18 AM
Someone posted here (somewhere) Mom makes $14 per hour, which would be approx. $29,000 per year and that b/f posted on his my space he earned 40-60,000? Sorry I can't confirm this but if true, that puts their income at $69,000 to $90,000 and IMO hardly chump change but of course it depends how you spend your money.

AND DT's parents own the home she lives in that she shares so openly with any man that has the right equipment.

*sheesh* she had plenty of resources to care for the children... the drugs came first along with the men, and party time....!! Can't do both ...!

4mer.naybor
11-28-2009, 01:20 AM
regarding DT and child support...several times I witnessed her getting a phone call from or calling M's dad (child #2 no longer living with her) and there was no "hi", "how are you", "go to hell", "eat shi#", "hold on a sec let me get M"....noooooo her first words to that dad were "WHERE'S MY MONEY?!?!?" no joke....I don't know if it was to show off, or if she was truly being a bi#ch toward him....but this happened more than once.

Theres your insight into DT.

No grudge...just truth.

eyes4crime
11-28-2009, 01:24 AM
Someone posted here (somewhere) Mom makes $14 per hour, which would be approx. $29,000 per year and that b/f posted on his my space he earned 40-60,000? Sorry I can't confirm this but if true, that puts their income at $69,000 to $90,000 and IMO hardly chump change but of course it depends how you spend your money.

Seems to me that you are making the assumption that b/f who earns $40-60K is helping raise the children. Why do you think such a thing?

Noway
11-28-2009, 01:24 AM
I've been thinking (again) about the conflicting statements between the babysitter saying Somer would wander off and Diena saying she'd never done anything like this and wondered whether Diena meant she'd never stayed away this long before (hours and hours).

tarabull
11-28-2009, 01:24 AM
What's your point?????

WOW are you freaking out or what?!??!

I was only responding to YOUR POINT >> that kids DO cost money.

:innocent:

not_my_kids
11-28-2009, 01:26 AM
regarding DT and child support...several times I witnessed her getting a phone call from or calling M's dad (child #2 no longer living with her) and there was no "hi", "how are you", "go to hell", "eat shi#", "hold on a sec let me get M"....noooooo her first words to that dad were "WHERE'S MY MONEY?!?!?" no joke....I don't know if it was to show off, or if she was truly being a bi#ch toward him....but this happened more than once.

Theres your insight into DT.

No grudge...just truth.

Sounds like every convo I have with my daughters father..."You gonna pay me this month? Didn't figure, talk to you next month!"
No reason for words more than that, IMO.

But my reasoning is that he doesn't care about our child, so the only real connection we have is that money, which I don't want, but am entitled to. Past that, there is nothing to talk about. He knows how to find out the weather and the time of day, and unless he plans to finally sign over his rights and go away, there's nothing in his life I care to know about.

Insight.

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 01:27 AM
regarding DT and child support...several times I witnessed her getting a phone call from or calling M's dad (child #2 no longer living with her) and there was no "hi", "how are you", "go to hell", "eat shi#", "hold on a sec let me get M"....noooooo her first words to that dad were "WHERE'S MY MONEY?!?!?" no joke....I don't know if it was to show off, or if she was truly being a bi#ch toward him....but this happened more than once.

Theres your insight into DT.

No grudge...just truth.

Oh I could tell right off the bat what her attitude and trashy talk was all about when she appeared on TV. She is a spiteful one... no doubt... just look at the obit -- how she treated Somer in death... she did not even grant her murdered daughter her own father's name on her death cert. That was her spiteful way to punish him..!! KARMA... she is getting a pretty good dose, and she will more than likely continue down the same path of destruction.

Dee10
11-28-2009, 01:29 AM
Seems to me that you are making the assumption that b/f who earns $40-60K is helping raise the children. Why do you think such a thing?

Well, if she has had deadbeat boyfriends & Dads in the past...I was assuming she would be shrewd enough to at least get food & rent money out of this one lol. Even if is $30,000.00 only in her parents house, I assume for that area is do-able?

eyes4crime
11-28-2009, 01:29 AM
regarding DT and child support...several times I witnessed her getting a phone call from or calling M's dad (child #2 no longer living with her) and there was no "hi", "how are you", "go to hell", "eat shi#", "hold on a sec let me get M"....noooooo her first words to that dad were "WHERE'S MY MONEY?!?!?" no joke....I don't know if it was to show off, or if she was truly being a bi#ch toward him....but this happened more than once.

Theres your insight into DT.

No grudge...just truth.

And this was over 7 years ago - you said you haven't seen mom T. since the twins were born. Maybe she has had trouble getting child support since the first divorce. Supporting your children should not be such a huge issue - wonder why it is?

human
11-28-2009, 01:31 AM
Regardless of the outcome, I feel for the kids in this family.

My best friend's ex was not much of a dad. He'd tell her lost money in the street, or tell her some crappy employer didn't pay him, etc, while he was spending the money on drugs.

But she never bad mouthed him to her kids ,and they are in their 30's now and love their dad. They know what he is like now that they're adults ,and they enjoy getting together with him. He's a lost soul from the Vietnam War.

All those family stressors on those kids-yow!

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 01:32 AM
Seems to me that you are making the assumption that b/f who earns $40-60K is helping raise the children. Why do you think such a thing?


Crystal ball like yours, only pink, or could be the ouija board, take your pick. Open to all theories.

I would roll the dice and say boyfriend did hand over money in that household or DT -- well she would have found a quick replacement.

LOL

4mer.naybor
11-28-2009, 01:34 AM
Sounds like every convo I have with my daughters father..."You gonna pay me this month? Didn't figure, talk to you next month!"
No reason for words more than that, IMO.

But my reasoning is that he doesn't care about our child, so the only real connection we have is that money, which I don't want, but am entitled to. Past that, there is nothing to talk about. He knows how to find out the weather and the time of day, and unless he plans to finally sign over his rights and go away, there's nothing in his life I care to know about.

Insight.

well when it comes to the way she treats people it is often nasty and hateful....especially when it comes to the exes apparently, she was awful toward Sam and his family, she was awful to her own friends.

I fully understand that sometimes in divorce it comes down to money being the common thread, but this is different with DT....believe me...when it ends she is out for blood...the divorce from Sam is about as nasty as it gets.

eyes4crime
11-28-2009, 01:36 AM
WOW are you freaking out or what?!??!

I was only responding to YOUR POINT >> that kids DO cost money.

:innocent:

Sorry, you asked me if mom D. thought about the money before having 5 kids and I didn't know what you meant. Sure kids cost tons of money, but I'm not sure that's the driving factor for most people to stop having them.

alexandra
11-28-2009, 01:37 AM
I was a single mom and I understand perfectly well that it's no reason not to provide responsible care for your children. Like I've said before, food, shelter, and child care were top priorities. Most of the time, I had to shop at 2nd hand stores to make sure I had money to cover child care, but that's what I did and I made no bones about it. There are resources available. Many churches provide after school care also that isn't quite as expensive. I've heard on a couple of the news videos of this case that DT had no choice but to have her children walk home because there was no bus service. That's just not true. She chose to let the children walk home and not make other arrangements. moo

4mer.naybor
11-28-2009, 01:37 AM
Oh I could tell right off the bat what her attitude and trashy talk was all about when she appeared on TV. She is a spiteful one... no doubt... just look at the obit -- how she treated Somer in death... she did not even grant her murdered daughter her own father's name on her death cert. That was her spiteful way to punish him..!! KARMA... she is getting a pretty good dose, and she will more than likely continue down the same path of destruction.

I think you got it....seeing it as being what it is....you see it in the videos, the things she says, etc.

Dee10
11-28-2009, 01:38 AM
well when it comes to the way she treats people it is often nasty and hateful....especially when it comes to the exes apparently, she was awful toward Sam and his family, she was awful to her own friends.

I fully understand that sometimes in divorce it comes down to money being the common thread, but this is different with DT....believe me...when it ends she is out for blood...the divorce from Sam is about as nasty as it gets.

It sure sounds like she has a short fuse.:eek:

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 01:41 AM
well when it comes to the way she treats people it is often nasty and hateful....especially when it comes to the exes apparently, she was awful toward Sam and his family, she was awful to her own friends.

I fully understand that sometimes in divorce it comes down to money being the common thread, but this is different with DT....believe me...when it ends she is out for blood...the divorce from Sam is about as nasty as it gets.

Well it's no surprise she is all lawyered for a reason ya know...! AND I posted way back about the time of the rock concert... that the live in would be outta there in a nano-second cause she had never been with a rock star. She is clingy needy attention..._______ !!!

Noway
11-28-2009, 01:41 AM
O/T
Looking around for an avatar, I found this. LOL ... for anyone living in Maine!

http://icons.iconator.com/414/ICONATOR_ef8bfa372c1e32b03c30af8d7c1b4df9.jpg
Crazy state law #8: In Maine you will be fined for having your Christmas decorations up after January 14.

human
11-28-2009, 01:42 AM
Is PC gone? I've read in comments in the newspaper, but does anybody really know for sure.

not_my_kids
11-28-2009, 01:42 AM
I have a genuine question about the bus service. I also recall when DT did the presser and said there was no bus service. But in all the Google maps that were being posted of the area around her house, it was lousy with school buses. Did anyone ever find a reliable map or outline of the bus routes? I would really love to see it if there is one. I'd even go dig it up if it's back in the threads, I just need a general outline of where to look. TIA.

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 01:45 AM
I was a single mom and I understand perfectly well that it's no reason not to provide responsible care for your children. Like I've said before, food, shelter, and child care were top priorities. Most of the time, I had to shop at 2nd hand stores to make sure I had money to cover child care, but that's what I did and I made no bones about it. There are resources available. Many churches provide after school care also that isn't quite as expensive. I've heard on a couple of the news videos of this case that DT had no choice but to have her children walk home because there was no bus service. That's just not true. She chose to let the children walk home and not make other arrangements. moo

Thank you, thank you, thank you for open honesty here and how you went to any length to care for your children.

KUDOS and it is a breath of fresh air to read about someone taking full responsibility and caring for their beloved children.

not_my_kids
11-28-2009, 01:45 AM
The post, not the poster,KWIM?

human
11-28-2009, 01:47 AM
Too lazy to find the actual references, but the kids did have to walk if they lived under 1.5 miles or 1 mile. Something like that.

Kids hardly get any exercise nowadays and walking to school seems like a really dumb idea nowadays. What a world we live in!

I know that you can't get them in a bubble, but pervs go where the kids are.

I am so freaked out now because I have a daughter that lives 1/2 block from the elementary school. I always thought that was a plus. Now I wonder if pervs are scoping things out.

tarabull
11-28-2009, 01:48 AM
O/T
Looking around for an avatar, I found this. LOL ... for anyone living in Maine!

http://icons.iconator.com/414/ICONATOR_ef8bfa372c1e32b03c30af8d7c1b4df9.jpg
Crazy state law #8: In Maine you will be fined for having your Christmas decorations up after January 14.

That should be standard law...lol.

Isn't chickadee from maine? AFTER that trivia last night I'm not even certain Maine is right lol

Noway
11-28-2009, 01:48 AM
I have a genuine question about the bus service. I also recall when DT did the presser and said there was no bus service. But in all the Google maps that were being posted of the area around her house, it was lousy with school buses. Did anyone ever find a reliable map or outline of the bus routes? I would really love to see it if there is one. I'd even go dig it up if it's back in the threads, I just need a general outline of where to look. TIA.

Students who lived closer than 1.5 miles from GPE have to walk.

http://www.clay.k12.fl.us/gpe/PDF/FAQ_Who_Rides_Bus.pdf

cathdawg
11-28-2009, 01:51 AM
:twocents:My Father died when I was 4 yrs old in 1959, I had 2 other sibs, my Mother refused Social Assistance etc. , became a Business Woman , never married again she was only 40 yrs old when he died. She died at the age of 89 yrs leaving an Estate worth over 3 M. Single Parents are not new to this world think about History, Wars 1&2, many children were raised by single Parents , I myself consider myself a single parent by fortunately I have some pride. JMO

cathdawg
11-28-2009, 01:52 AM
Sorry, I have just busted in.

sadnpod
11-28-2009, 01:52 AM
Maybe if mom T. had received her child support Somer would have had a better chance of after school supervision. it costs money ya know. Or, do you think she should have quit her job so she could be home after school?

(bolded by me)
So, if two out of three fathers pay child support for five kids, somer would have had a better chance of after school supervision? Do you know if they paid child support and if so, do you know which father and for what child(ren)? Yes, I know it cost money. IIRC it was available in her school. Instead of quitting her job, she had the option of quitting cigarettes or a number of other choices, it was only for two hours a day. Poor, pitiful me is not a defense in this IMO!!

I know plenty of truly single mothers who would love to make $14 an hour, and have a car and a house...

4mer.naybor
11-28-2009, 01:57 AM
Let me start by saying again that i came on here in the beginning to defend DT, there didn't seem to be a lot of support for her on message boards that I was reading. The first and foremost thing that I wanted people to know was that i didn't think she murdered Somer...as she was being compared to Susan Smith. This wasn't the person I knew...

My husband and I were friends and neighbors of DT and ST, we had good times, the kids used to play together, life was pretty good then. After the twins were born, things got a little crazy....DT went a little wild, and shortly thereafter we moved away.

I really wish my husband was here now to add his two cents, he and DT were buddys...a little more outspoken than Sam and I were. I'm sure he would have a lot to say about all of this, shocked but not that surprised, it sucks being the only one trying to tell this story without writing a tell all book, and still explain DT's mannerisms, personality, and behavior. Bottom line, she isn't perfect, but she isn't a killer in my eyes. I see her as I know her, I get it....but to those who don't...it has got to be very unusual to watch.


Gah I am rambling, but until this is all said and done, she is innocent until proven guilty.

not_my_kids
11-28-2009, 02:05 AM
Students who lived closer than 1.5 miles from GPE have to walk.

http://www.clay.k12.fl.us/gpe/PDF/FAQ_Who_Rides_Bus.pdf

Thank you. I thought I had seen something definitive about it, but I couldn't remember where or when.

alexandra
11-28-2009, 02:05 AM
:twocents:My Father died when I was 4 yrs old in 1959, I had 2 other sibs, my Mother refused Social Assistance etc. , became a Business Woman , never married again she was only 40 yrs old when he died. She died at the age of 89 yrs leaving an Estate worth over 3 M. Single Parents are not new to this world think about History, Wars 1&2, many children were raised by single Parents , I myself consider myself a single parent by fortunately I have some pride. JMO

Thanks Cathdawg, and I'm sorry to hear you lost your father at such a young age. My son lost his father when he was 9.

And I might add...I mentioned in my post there are resources available for low income single parents, I know this because I know plenty of people who have used the resources, but I never did. I knew how to budget my money, it wasn't much of a task...there was very little to budget LOL. I just get frustrated when I hear sob stories about single parents who just throw up their hands and shirk responsibilities. It's no excuse. Their children need them no less, for heavens sake they need them MORE!! I just don't get it. If people want to care properly for their children there is always a way to do it. I may not have had extra money but I always made sure my son was happy, clean, well fed, loved, and always taken care of. Sorry...I'll end my rant now.:furious:

sadnpod
11-28-2009, 02:06 AM
I have tears running down my cheeks because somer, AT, AC, lil ST deserve better than this description of a mother and maybe their fathers fell short too, but bottom line is she was/is responsible. Anyone who cant grasp that you should not have children if you cannot afford them is beyond absurd....

Justice for Somer
Peace and love for AC, AT and lil ST

Kewpiedoll
11-28-2009, 02:08 AM
(bolded by me)
So, if two out of three fathers pay child support for five kids, somer would have had a better chance of after school supervision? Do you know if they paid child support and if so, do you know which father and for what child(ren)? Yes, I know it cost money. IIRC it was available in her school. Instead of quitting her job, she had the option of quitting cigarettes or a number of other choices, it was only for two hours a day. Poor, pitiful me is not a defense in this IMO!!

I know plenty of truly single mothers who would love to make $14 an hour, and have a car and a house...

The cigs, booze, and drugs would have been more than enough for a wonderful after school Nanny or school program.

Noway
11-28-2009, 02:09 AM
Do you think by not publicly clearing the family/friends, the Sheriff is playing with the creep's head? Making him wondering just how close LE is to catching him?

sadnpod
11-28-2009, 02:11 AM
Anyone wanna join me in the garage?

VirginiaTwo
11-28-2009, 02:13 AM
Do you think by not publicly clearing the family/friends, the Sheriff is playing with the creep's head? Making him wondering just how close LE is to catching him?

Hope so.

4mer.naybor
11-28-2009, 02:13 AM
I have tears running down my cheeks because somer, AT, AC, lil ST deserve better than this description of a mother and maybe their fathers fell short too, but bottom line is she was/is responsible. Anyone who cant grasp that you should not have children if you cannot afford them is beyond absurd....

Justice for Somer
Peace and love for AC, AT and lil ST

I just wish it was all over (better yet never happened)...murderer arrested, divorce final, happy endings all around, but sadly this isn't the case, I am a bit emotional right now too.... I told Sam, "if you had asked me seven years ago where our lives would be right now...I never would have guessed that our two families would have been torn apart by unexpected tragedies." I am sad for Sam, for Diena, the kids, Somer...for all that has been lost.