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spartanmom
12-29-2009, 11:54 AM
There could still be a "daisy chain" if DC got the info directly from KC and started a little rumor grapevine by talking to city employees, specifically the meter reader supervisor in the Anthony neighborhood.

IIRC, there are pics of DC with LA around the end of July, so we know they had opportunity to talk perhaps. It would have had to have been during this time period if the RK set up for August would fly. KC may have been convinced that finding Caylee's body while she was in jail would somehow make her look innocent and her kidnapping story true. Her main goal at that point was getting out of jail and back to her life.

I have been out of the loop for a while, and am trying to read and catch up....lot of the legal jargon I don't understand, however, I think this post is right on.....doesn't it mean that then DC would not necessarily break privileged info???? then RK was set up and tried to deliver but the LE on duty didn't follow up like was planned, so then, another plot was considered and RK set up once again.....I don't think he actually knew what he was getting himself in for, but it allowed DC to give the info, w/out actually giving the info?????

or am I completely misunderstanding the whole gist here????? help me!!!

The World According
12-29-2009, 12:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh4tDwGS1c4

Dominick didn't even look into the matters of what was in the car that we know of, did he?

The World According
12-29-2009, 12:24 PM
This is Dominick's lawyer,a year ago. Oh my!!!! She states she thinks they should go with the insanity defense, it is their only hope. I wonder if mom and pop know that their Dom's lawyer has made these statements on national TV? You just can't make this stuff up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX-0bfuneak

cecybeans
12-29-2009, 12:35 PM
I have been out of the loop for a while, and am trying to read and catch up....lot of the legal jargon I don't understand, however, I think this post is right on.....doesn't it mean that then DC would not necessarily break privileged info???? then RK was set up and tried to deliver but the LE on duty didn't follow up like was planned, so then, another plot was considered and RK set up once again.....I don't think he actually knew what he was getting himself in for, but it allowed DC to give the info, w/out actually giving the info?????

or am I completely misunderstanding the whole gist here????? help me!!!

No, that's what I intended to say. DC may have promised to get it done "in a backward kinda way" to have plausible deniability.

The World According
12-29-2009, 12:39 PM
I agree with you, LE surely pointed out this out to Dominick too when they interviewed him that they were very near one another while that filming in the woods was going on. There is no way Dominick didn't know Hoover was there and indeed they were speaking to one another in parts. He was cold busted lying to them. The judge already ruled he has no privilege. Indeed he will be made to answer questions at the civil trial as well, imo. The funny thing is since we have already seen his e mails back and forth to Cindy, the obvious questions that detail how and to what extent he looked for the Zanny the Nanny have already been answered. He did not.The fact that the PI hired by the family claims to have been chasing down locations where Casey partied as a teen rather than looking in to every single Zenaida Gonzalez one could find tells us and the jury all we need to know. The family wasn't investigating any Zanny because they knew one did not exist. Game over.

1. There was no babysitter.
2. Casey is the only one who had the child.
3. She never reported the child missing.
4. Casey admitted to telling lie after lie to police and leading them on a wild goose chase.
5.. The little bones are finally discovered, so we know the child is indeed dead.
6. The private investigator under contract with Casey knew out of all the places on this earth, exactly ( within a few feet) where she put the baby's body.


The rest is icing on the cake for me if I were a juror. There are no coincidence in criminal law.

Rather than help Cindy's daughter, anything and all things Dominick did rather help the state establish fact number one, there was no babysitter. For him to continue to insist he has remained under contract with Casey all along is a nightmare for her defense in my opinion, that is a straight line that says loud and clear Casey knew where the dead body was. Play over. Cut. Scene. Sentencing phase.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF6y9EH-G6Q

logicalgirl
12-29-2009, 12:45 PM
Thanks for that World - one of the last lines is pretty chilling - Greta says there is nothing in all of these text messages that shows any concern for the child, even after she is reported missing.

The World According
12-29-2009, 12:57 PM
Thanks for that World - one of the last lines is pretty chilling - Greta says there is nothing in all of these text messages that shows any concern for the child, even after she is reported missing.

I like to revisit the videos because they tell us the story and remind us of exactly how twisted all this is.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoSennWSbVw

Harmony2
12-29-2009, 04:25 PM
A while back I did some research to look into the daisy chain theory and I compiled this timeline:

July 26/28- Casey states to Lee -“In my gut she is still OK and it still feels like she is close to home”.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17018486/detail.html

August 4 - Casey tells her father “She’s close” in a jailhouse visit
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17084757/detail.html

August 8- PI Casey visits Casey A.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/14/parents_to_visit_casey_anthony.html

August 11- Kronk makes first call
Transcripts of the three calls: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342049/detail.html

August 12- Kronk makes 2nd call
August 13- Kronk makes 3rd call
August 14- Anthony’s visit Casey; Casey becomes angry : also confrontation with media where George yells to shut up
http://www.wesh.com/news/18494885/detail.html

August 21 Casey bonded out by Padilla
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17202414/detail.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,407742,00.html

In the first information released regarding the 10 days Padilla spent with Anthony, he said her remarks rebutted what was being said on TV. A lead investigator confirms that during one of those trips, Anthony blurted out "They haven't even found the clothes she was wearing" about those searching for Caylee. http://www.wesh.com/news/18009037/detail.html

November 8- Hoover approaches volunteer at TES

SAT, November 8, 2008 – TES leads group of volunteers in a search of a 25-acre area around the OIA for Caylee. They found nothing.
P.I. Jim Hoover claims he told Tim Miller to search in the wooded area off of Suburban DR near the Anthony home. He allegedly approached TES Volunteer, Bill Todd about a tip that someone saw Casey’s car parked near a patch of woods on Suburban DR, back in June 2008.
”……. P.I. Hoover on the 8th of November was out at Texas EquuSearch and in front of several people actually filed a search directive, in other words, it’s a form they fill out saying that the body was actually where it was located. I don’t know whatever happened to that. I do know that people in law enforcement are trying to track it down,” says Leonard Padilla.
http://humbleopinionforum.net/cma-timeline-november-2008/

November 11- Kronk makes another visit to area but does not go into wooded area

Page 12 and page 17 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html

November 15- Hoover and PI Casey video tape at site where Caylee's remains were found
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d12-Video-released-of-private-investigator-searching-for-Caylee-Anthonys-remains

November 16 – PIs go out there again and tape
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d12-Video-released-of-private-investigator-searching-for-Caylee-Anthonys-remains

December 11- Caylee’s remains found

The World According
12-29-2009, 05:11 PM
:rocker::rocker:

The World According
12-29-2009, 05:55 PM
Thomas Luka interviewed with Megyn Kelly on Fox. Luka says that charges could be pending against Lee. Here is the conversation:

KELLY: What do you make of these charges, these potential charges? What are you hearing is the possibly basis behind them?

LUKA: Well, first of all, there has been no announcement, formal or otherwise, that there are charges pending against Lee Anthony. This is all speculation and rumor at this time.

What I can tell you is that there has been speculation that he may be charged as an accessory after the fact for some sort of obstruction of justice charge.

The law in Florida, the statue in Florida dealing with obstruction of justice is very broad and gives prosecutors a wide latitude to use that power to charge individuals in order to motivate them to testify against other defendants.

From a year ago today, so I guess Lee was indeed never charged. Does he have immunity now that he is on the State's witness list?
Here is the video.http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3383255&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473947,00.html

coopzoo
12-29-2009, 09:09 PM
This is Dominick's lawyer,a year ago. Oh my!!!! She states she thinks they should go with the insanity defense, it is their only hope. I wonder if mom and pop know that their Dom's lawyer has made these statements on national TV? You just can't make this stuff up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX-0bfuneak

Great find, TWA! I've never seen this one before.

:dance::dance::dance:

The World According
12-30-2009, 08:41 AM
When you listen to him you can tell he is a horrible, nervous liar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhzHBImdRrY Note to Dom: The detectives and FBI agents already have your phone records, already have interviewed Hoover, have seen the video and KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS TO EVERY QUESTION THEY ASK YOU. One would think that a PI would take that for granted. He acts more unsophisticated than our 22 year old Casey. I trust Mrs. Drane Burdick or Mr. Ashton had a field day with this guy! Listen how they catch him about Hoover.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTNP-5Z0JT0 They had already watched and heard him talking back and forth to Hoover throughout the tape!!! This was a year ago and look how long scared Dom stalled to be deposed by the state. He is a liar.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9AIov6MQ2k Section 8: 55 he sets out when and with whom he has a "letter of engagement"! He sets out that he terminated his services with Baez. He is under oath here. Game over.

iluvmua
12-30-2009, 09:03 AM
I hope George, Cindy, Lee and whoever else is charged. ALL of them KNEW that (esp. George & Cindy) that Caylee was dead.

What kind of Grandparents don't get concerned about not seeing their grandchild for weeks?

If that was me, I would have called the authorities in a matter of days if I had not seen my grandchild. NOT a whole damn month. :furious:

These people drive me absolutely nuts.

I do not feel sorry for them whatsoever.

The World According
12-30-2009, 09:14 AM
This could not be better for LE, Dominic is stating here, UNDER OATH, that he was working for Casey when he was looking for the body in the exact spot the body was found.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhnB-Vak0xg

LambChop
12-30-2009, 09:20 AM
Not sticking up for CA and GA but grandparents don't have any rights regarding their grandchildren. Police would have asked where the child was and they had to tell them she is with her mother. It would have ended right there. Unless CA and GA had absolute proof the child was being neglected or abused they have no more rights than you or I. KC is 100% responsible and she could do, and did do whatever she wanted.

Something CA should have done and did not was to take over the responsibility for Caylee. Instead she insisted KC be responsible calling her to come home from her date nights. Sending conflicting signals, I want Caylee at home with me but you have to be here too. If she truly wanted to get custody of Caylee she should have let KC party and eventually KC would have moved in with a bf without Caylee. There you go, she has abandoned her child. It would have only been a matter of time. Grandparents today do it all the time and that is why many today are raising their grandchildren. Not everyone wants to be a parent just because nature took it's course.

Sorry for being OT

spartanmom
12-30-2009, 09:22 AM
A while back I did some research to look into the daisy chain theory and I compiled this timeline:

July 26/28- Casey states to Lee -“In my gut she is still OK and it still feels like she is close to home”.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17018486/detail.html

August 4 - Casey tells her father “She’s close” in a jailhouse visit
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17084757/detail.html

August 8- PI Casey visits Casey A.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/14/parents_to_visit_casey_anthony.html

August 11- Kronk makes first call
Transcripts of the three calls: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342049/detail.html

August 12- Kronk makes 2nd call
August 13- Kronk makes 3rd call
August 14- Anthony’s visit Casey; Casey becomes angry : also confrontation with media where George yells to shut up
http://www.wesh.com/news/18494885/detail.html

August 21 Casey bonded out by Padilla
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17202414/detail.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,407742,00.html

November 8- Hoover approaches volunteer at TES



November 11- Kronk makes another visit to area but does not go into wooded area

Page 12 and page 17 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html

November 15- Hoover and PI Casey video tape at site where Caylee's remains were found
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d12-Video-released-of-private-investigator-searching-for-Caylee-Anthonys-remains

November 16 – PIs go out there again and tape
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d12-Video-released-of-private-investigator-searching-for-Caylee-Anthonys-remains

December 11- Caylee’s remains found


Great Timeline!!!!! also add: they haven't even found her clothes yet....looking for the direct quote and where it would fit in the timeline!!!

spartanmom
12-30-2009, 09:27 AM
Me thinks also.....that during this time, CA & GA were trying to distract everybody with all of their charades on and off camera while DH and whoever was looking in the woods close to their house......does any of this make sense~~~

The World According
12-30-2009, 09:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5rn__ZFsbQ

spartanmom
12-30-2009, 09:39 AM
Great Timeline!!!!! also add: they haven't even found her clothes yet....looking for the direct quote and where it would fit in the timeline!!!

I found it but don't know how to link it.
She made this statement within the 10 days that Padilla's aide was with her....
found it.....she was with Casey around the last couple of weeks in August.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/calendar.php?month=8&year=2008&c=4&do=displaymonth

http://www.wesh.com/news/18009037/detail.html
did I link it right????

Harmony2
12-30-2009, 04:13 PM
I found it but don't know how to link it.
She made this statement within the 10 days that Padilla's aide was with her....
found it.....she was with Casey around the last couple of weeks in August.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/calendar.php?month=8&year=2008&c=4&do=displaymonth

http://www.wesh.com/news/18009037/detail.html
did I link it right????

Thank you! I added the information to the timeline.

spartanmom
12-30-2009, 08:00 PM
oh gosh....can someone please remind me, what would DC get out of doing this for the Anthony's? Just his money that they owe him for hiring him....publicity????
Sorry!!!!

LolaMoon08
12-30-2009, 10:46 PM
It just frustrates me that DC can withhold all of this information... all in the name of privilege. I understand attorney/client privilege but I never heard of a Private Investigator/Client privilege until this case. A two-year-old baby was murdered and he can withhold information that could be vital to the investigation. It just makes me sick.

From what I understand, Dominic was not working for Lee... so, could the State or detectives ask Dominic questions pretaining to conversations with Lee? See, in Cindy's state deposition she states that she had no knowledge of Dominic going out into those woods until after December 11th, 2008... but, Lee, in his state deposition states that Cindy told him before December 11th, 2008 that Dominic went out into the woods off of Suburban on a psychic's tip.

So, could the state ask Dominic Casey about Lee's account of what happened and would Dominic have to come clean based on Lee's statement that Cindy did in fact know that he went out there to look for a deceased Caylee in November?

LolaMoon08
12-30-2009, 10:48 PM
oh gosh....can someone please remind me, what would DC get out of doing this for the Anthony's? Just his money that they owe him for hiring him....publicity????
Sorry!!!!

I don't know how any of these people can live with themselves? I think they all belong in jail. Every last one of them.

The World According
12-31-2009, 09:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAuXZ3jqJ70

Watch Casey's face, she seems concerned about what Dominic may say. Andrea and Baez do too. I had forgotten that last year Baez filed a request for a special master regarding Dominic until I saw this motions hearing. The judge sets out clearly here that he is instructing Mrs. Drane-Burdick to go ahead and depose Dominic. I believe that has likely taken place.

Also look how incredulous Baez looks when Ms. Tennis says that Dominic has remained in contact with the defense. It is like he is saying what in the world?! 2:54

A_News_Junkie
12-31-2009, 09:59 AM
A while back I did some research to look into the daisy chain theory and I compiled this timeline:

July 26/28- Casey states to Lee -“In my gut she is still OK and it still feels like she is close to home”.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17018486/detail.html

August 4 - Casey tells her father “She’s close” in a jailhouse visit
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17084757/detail.html

August 8- PI Casey visits Casey A.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/14/parents_to_visit_casey_anthony.html

August 11- Kronk makes first call
Transcripts of the three calls: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342049/detail.html

August 12- Kronk makes 2nd call
August 13- Kronk makes 3rd call
August 14- Anthony’s visit Casey; Casey becomes angry : also confrontation with media where George yells to shut up
http://www.wesh.com/news/18494885/detail.html

August 21 Casey bonded out by Padilla
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17202414/detail.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,407742,00.html



November 8- Hoover approaches volunteer at TES



November 11- Kronk makes another visit to area but does not go into wooded area

Page 12 and page 17 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html

November 15- Hoover and PI Casey video tape at site where Caylee's remains were found
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d12-Video-released-of-private-investigator-searching-for-Caylee-Anthonys-remains

November 16 – PIs go out there again and tape
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d12-Video-released-of-private-investigator-searching-for-Caylee-Anthonys-remains

December 11- Caylee’s remains found

Harmony -- I did a bit of work on this timeline too. Here is a link to my googledoc that I created awhile back. If anyone finds anything that is missing or should be added - email me and I will do it!
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQgG3NFxiyWqZGhoemtzeHJfMGdia2hxbWYz&hl=en

I had that private, but that link should work!

Harmony2
12-31-2009, 10:12 AM
Harmony -- I did a bit of work on this timeline too. Here is a link to my googledoc that I created awhile back. If anyone finds anything that is missing or should be added - email me and I will do it!
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQgG3NFxiyWqZGhoemtzeHJfMGdia2hxbWYz&hl=en

I had that private, but that link should work!

Great job ANJ!!! Very detailed!!!

A_News_Junkie
12-31-2009, 10:44 AM
Great job ANJ!!! Very detailed!!!
Thank you --- I just added my email to my profile (I think!) so if anyone is interested in adding to this time line, just send me what you feel needs to be added. Here is the link again, since I am trying not to quote stack!
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQgG3NFxiyWqZGhoemtzeHJfMGdia2hxbWYz&hl=en

Newbie here, but I will get this system down soon I hope! LOL:waitasec::waitasec:

BeanE
12-31-2009, 12:48 PM
Resource for timelines: News Timeline from Google Labs

I just discovered this application from Google Labs this morning, and it is just the coolest thing ever for help in timeline development:

http://newstimeline.googlelabs.com

The World According
01-02-2010, 09:29 PM
A theory from our very own , brilliant, JWG (sniped from another thread):
" I posted the following piece of speculation yesterday evening but it kind of got swamped by a blizzard of other posts. I think it is interesting to stand back and see if we can trace the true "daisy chain" of information that led to the remains discovery, whether it be LP's theory or some other theory.

What follows is my theory - updated since I posted last night.

What we know is Kiomarie was interviewed at nearly 10PM on July 19. Kio grew up on Hopespring drive and her dad still lives there. Kio has a friend named Bailey who also lives on Hopespring very close to the Anthony's. Bailey had already spoken to Brian B. and learned he had spoken to LE about the shovel. So Kio and Brian get to talking about KC, and when Kio heard about the shovel, she starts thinking about the secret hiding area off Suburban. Bailey calls Brian and gets the detective's phone number, gives it to Kio, and Kio calls the detective.

Neighbors are obviously talking. It probably does not take long for word to spread about Kio's interview and suspicions about the woods off Suburban. Maybe neighbors kind of are convinced that the area is a high-probability area, but are afraid to spend a lot of time searching themselves because 1) they are neighbors and 2) they figure LE will be able to do it.

So LE does an initial search of the accessible areas (some of it was too wet), and they come up empty. TES comes out and searches same area - no luck. Problem is - as we know today - the body was not quite in the spot Kio had pointed out. In fact it was several hundred yards away, up the street close to Hopespring.

Neighbors though remain convinced that area is a highly probable area. They know of Kio's story. They know of the shovel. They know TES and LE could not get into all areas. They are unconvinced the unsuccessful searches to date have ruled out the area.

Now throw into the mix speculation that the MR's supervisor is also a neighbor of the Anthony's. Since neighbor's are talking and still think the body could be found up there, the supervisor speaks to his good buddy the MR and asks him to take a look when he does his route. He may even have assigned him specifically to do that route in August just because he is trusted. An official utility vehicle parked up in that area would not look suspicious.

So the MR takes a look and finds a suspicious-looking bag. We know he called it in three times, and the bag was not located:

1. LE first says they searched and cleared the area (as noted above, they cleared an area several hundred yards away).
2. They go out again (possibly with a dog) and find nothing. Unknown exactly were this was done, but probably still a hundred yards or so away. If one listens to the MR 911 calls, the location description is vague enough to allow LE to miss the spot.
3. They go out a third and final time. MR points to the area and LE heads back, sees a big rattlesnake, and decides it might be best to come back later. Oh, and by the way, there is loads of garbage back there.

Fay comes in, floods the area, and no searches can be done until early November. Note that rumor has it Kronk was not on that route in Sept., Oct., or Nov., implying to me someone assigned to him that route to check things out.

This next bit of speculation is going to infuriate a lot of Lee haters here when they read what I am thinking. (I think Lee is getting a bum rap from the public).

Meantime, Lee, I believe, is not drinking the KC Koolaide the way Cindy is. He knows KC did something. He does not know the details, but has suspicions, and does his best to pull information from KC without raising her ire and having her shut him out. He loved Caylee and wants to know the truth. He gets enough KC code to believe her body is nearby, but again no details.

Lee becomes aware of Kio's and the neighbor's suspicions. With what KC implied, the general location makes perfect sense. He knows LE and TES searched in that area but maybe they were not in the right spot. Maybe he is involved in lining up other silent searches, including that of the MR, or maybe he just hears about the MR's finding and subsequent failure of LE to locate the body. On the one hand he knows LE and others have searched and declared it clear - should trust that coming from LE, right?? On the other hand, the MR did say he found something. After Fay, this gets filed in the back of his mind.

Meanwhile, Lee loves his mom but feels she is in a deep denial over KC's crime. He knows - feels - KC did something to Caylee. While mom is stuck in the first stage of grief (denial), Lee is entering the second stage (anger). It shows as he tries to protect the parents he loves, and the public backlash is vicious. He starts to drop from public view. He does not want to get caught up in the maelstrom Cindy is creating.

In early Nov. TES finally can get out and do a search. But they find nothing and pull out earlier than expected.

Bewildered, Lee talks to the PI working for his parents. I speculate the conversation went something like this:

Quote:
"Look, there was a MR out up on Suburban back in August near the area Kio pointed out, and he found a very suspicious bag. LE went out there with cadaver dogs but could not find it. They were not in the right spot. So the MR met them out there but they could not get into the area because of a rattlesnake. They wanted to try again but Fay came along. This past weekend TES went up there, but once again we think they were too far up in the area of the school.

As I understand it, the MR found the bag somewhere along Suburban between the corner at Hopespring and before the school. The area there is really dense with brush and it would be difficult to see anything. But I am convinced at this point that the location - of any that have been discussed - is the one that makes most sense. I am also convinced Caylee is dead, and we need to stop this wild goose chase my mother is on. I'm not sure of the exact location, but can you check it out for me?"
Lee convinces PI Casey that Caylee is dead and they need to look for a body. So the two PIs hike up there two times to look and video-tape, and PI Casey goes up another two times alone. The information they have is that Caylee's body was found in August, but not recovered. They find nothing. PI Casey calls Lee several times and asks if he can help nail the exact spot down, because they are not seeing anything but thick brush and unrelated trash. Given only 10 minutes of video were recorded, none of the searches may have been very long.

They are very close, but not quite in the right spot, and they fail to locate the remains. They report back to Lee: nothing.

Nejame catches wind that Lee sent the PIs up there and he decides he has had enough. Time to bail out. It appears the Anthony's privately think the child is dead but publicly berate LE for not searching for a live Caylee. Well, Lee believes she is dead, and probably George does too, but Cindy won't admit it. He's had enough and resigns.

At this point Lee is thinking: LE looked several times. TES looked several times. My PI looked several times. No one could find the bag. The only one who ever saw the bag was the MR. In order to put this thing to rest, we need him to look one more time.

Lee gets word back to the supervisor neighbor and tells him the PI's could find nothing. Can we get the MR back out there? So the supervisor reasigns the MR to the route and asks him to see if the bag is still there. The route is scheduled for the 11th of every month, so they have missed the November slot, but he'll be assigned to the route on Dec. 11.

The MR goes back on the route, finds the bag, sees the skull...and Caylee is brought home.
Now one of the PIs brags to his good buddy LP about the trips they made to that same area and found nothing, and the circus begins again.

The key piece of the above puzzle is confirming or denying a link between the neighbors and the MR. The "supervisor as neighbor" is one possible link. Another possible link is "MR chats up neighbor". But a link needs to exist for the above theory to make sense.

The daisy chain, as I see it, is:

1. Kio - Bailey - Brian B. - Kio - detective - TES. Failure to find the remains starts a second chain.
2. Lee - neighbors - supervisor - MR - LE. Failure to find the remains starts a third chain.
3. TES. Failure to find the remains starts a fourth chain.
4. Lee - PI - Lee - supervisor - MR. Success.

IMHO"

The World According
01-04-2010, 07:17 AM
When I watched the hearing what I took away from it was

The State asked Baez in advance of the hearing, if indeed he wanted to add Dom to their witness list, he answered that had not been decided.. I take that as a no.

Dom's lawyer argued that since he is not on the witness list the traditional subpoena would not work, and agreed that of course the State has the right to issue an investigative subpoena. The judge instructed the state to do so and he said go ahead and make use of the time you already have scheduled.

Again, the State reminded the court and Baez that this would make it a matter between Dom and the State and no Baez, period. Quickly the judge concurred.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls_dUmQTgNM&feature=player_embedded
Baez got confused and said if you are inclined to rule that we cannot be there I would object , of course I want to be there... I could make this all moot by adding him to my witness list ( no kidding Baez)

The judge respectfully explained he already had ruled and that since the state would not be inquiring about the period of time he claims to have employed Dom, it was basically irrelevant to him if the State wanted to depose him in this manner.

They ( Dom's lawyer, Miss Tennis, the State and the Judge) were all very clear it seemed, the following week at the already scheduled time, Dom and Miss Tennis would come for a an investigative subpoenaed deposition, per the judge's order at this hearing.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAuXZ3jqJ70&feature=player_embedded

Beaz left still confused it seemed, he may have even told one of the reporters that he was going to add Dom to the witness list, then mama bear or the other lawyers schooled him that they do not wish to release the witness list just yet.

Rut row
Because this type of depo by an investigative subpoena, is not going to be released to the public as the other type would have been , I believe it did happen on the time prearranged, according to the judge's order.

I am not a lawyer, this is my opinion. You have to listen carefully to that part of the hearing, it is hard because it so distracting watching Baez roll his eyes and make faces, etc. LOL!

Mr. Hornsby opined on his blog this very topic and ended with this "The Bottom Line.....

Which leads us to Judge Strickland’s final remarks:

“Call me if there is a problem.”

Essentially he instructed the parties to go forward with the interview/deposition and to call him (literally) if there are any objections based on privilege that must be ruled on during the interview/deposition.

This procedure saves everyone’s time and money, lessens the spectacle, and allows the case to move forward." Let's all hope that indeed the investigative subpoena was served and he did testify, we wish we could see it in a transcript and that is not going to be released, but it would be a relief to know it did indeed get completed after a year of stalling!

The World According
01-05-2010, 01:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpFaxOPQseM

Tulessa
01-23-2010, 11:43 AM
A theory from our very own , brilliant, JWG (sniped from another thread):
" I posted the following piece of speculation yesterday evening but it kind of got swamped by a blizzard of other posts. I think it is interesting to stand back and see if we can trace the true "daisy chain" of information that led to the remains discovery, whether it be LP's theory or some other theory.

What follows is my theory - updated since I posted last night.

What we know is Kiomarie was interviewed at nearly 10PM on July 19. Kio grew up on Hopespring drive and her dad still lives there. Kio has a friend named Bailey who also lives on Hopespring very close to the Anthony's. Bailey had already spoken to Brian B. and learned he had spoken to LE about the shovel. So Kio and Brian get to talking about KC, and when Kio heard about the shovel, she starts thinking about the secret hiding area off Suburban. Bailey calls Brian and gets the detective's phone number, gives it to Kio, and Kio calls the detective.

Neighbors are obviously talking. It probably does not take long for word to spread about Kio's interview and suspicions about the woods off Suburban. Maybe neighbors kind of are convinced that the area is a high-probability area, but are afraid to spend a lot of time searching themselves because 1) they are neighbors and 2) they figure LE will be able to do it.

So LE does an initial search of the accessible areas (some of it was too wet), and they come up empty. TES comes out and searches same area - no luck. Problem is - as we know today - the body was not quite in the spot Kio had pointed out. In fact it was several hundred yards away, up the street close to Hopespring.

Neighbors though remain convinced that area is a highly probable area. They know of Kio's story. They know of the shovel. They know TES and LE could not get into all areas. They are unconvinced the unsuccessful searches to date have ruled out the area.

Now throw into the mix speculation that the MR's supervisor is also a neighbor of the Anthony's. Since neighbor's are talking and still think the body could be found up there, the supervisor speaks to his good buddy the MR and asks him to take a look when he does his route. He may even have assigned him specifically to do that route in August just because he is trusted. An official utility vehicle parked up in that area would not look suspicious.

So the MR takes a look and finds a suspicious-looking bag. We know he called it in three times, and the bag was not located:

1. LE first says they searched and cleared the area (as noted above, they cleared an area several hundred yards away).
2. They go out again (possibly with a dog) and find nothing. Unknown exactly were this was done, but probably still a hundred yards or so away. If one listens to the MR 911 calls, the location description is vague enough to allow LE to miss the spot.
3. They go out a third and final time. MR points to the area and LE heads back, sees a big rattlesnake, and decides it might be best to come back later. Oh, and by the way, there is loads of garbage back there.

Fay comes in, floods the area, and no searches can be done until early November. Note that rumor has it Kronk was not on that route in Sept., Oct., or Nov., implying to me someone assigned to him that route to check things out.

This next bit of speculation is going to infuriate a lot of Lee haters here when they read what I am thinking. (I think Lee is getting a bum rap from the public).

Meantime, Lee, I believe, is not drinking the KC Koolaide the way Cindy is. He knows KC did something. He does not know the details, but has suspicions, and does his best to pull information from KC without raising her ire and having her shut him out. He loved Caylee and wants to know the truth. He gets enough KC code to believe her body is nearby, but again no details.

Lee becomes aware of Kio's and the neighbor's suspicions. With what KC implied, the general location makes perfect sense. He knows LE and TES searched in that area but maybe they were not in the right spot. Maybe he is involved in lining up other silent searches, including that of the MR, or maybe he just hears about the MR's finding and subsequent failure of LE to locate the body. On the one hand he knows LE and others have searched and declared it clear - should trust that coming from LE, right?? On the other hand, the MR did say he found something. After Fay, this gets filed in the back of his mind.

Meanwhile, Lee loves his mom but feels she is in a deep denial over KC's crime. He knows - feels - KC did something to Caylee. While mom is stuck in the first stage of grief (denial), Lee is entering the second stage (anger). It shows as he tries to protect the parents he loves, and the public backlash is vicious. He starts to drop from public view. He does not want to get caught up in the maelstrom Cindy is creating.

In early Nov. TES finally can get out and do a search. But they find nothing and pull out earlier than expected.

Bewildered, Lee talks to the PI working for his parents. I speculate the conversation went something like this:

Quote:
"Look, there was a MR out up on Suburban back in August near the area Kio pointed out, and he found a very suspicious bag. LE went out there with cadaver dogs but could not find it. They were not in the right spot. So the MR met them out there but they could not get into the area because of a rattlesnake. They wanted to try again but Fay came along. This past weekend TES went up there, but once again we think they were too far up in the area of the school.

As I understand it, the MR found the bag somewhere along Suburban between the corner at Hopespring and before the school. The area there is really dense with brush and it would be difficult to see anything. But I am convinced at this point that the location - of any that have been discussed - is the one that makes most sense. I am also convinced Caylee is dead, and we need to stop this wild goose chase my mother is on. I'm not sure of the exact location, but can you check it out for me?"
Lee convinces PI Casey that Caylee is dead and they need to look for a body. So the two PIs hike up there two times to look and video-tape, and PI Casey goes up another two times alone. The information they have is that Caylee's body was found in August, but not recovered. They find nothing. PI Casey calls Lee several times and asks if he can help nail the exact spot down, because they are not seeing anything but thick brush and unrelated trash. Given only 10 minutes of video were recorded, none of the searches may have been very long.

They are very close, but not quite in the right spot, and they fail to locate the remains. They report back to Lee: nothing.

Nejame catches wind that Lee sent the PIs up there and he decides he has had enough. Time to bail out. It appears the Anthony's privately think the child is dead but publicly berate LE for not searching for a live Caylee. Well, Lee believes she is dead, and probably George does too, but Cindy won't admit it. He's had enough and resigns.

At this point Lee is thinking: LE looked several times. TES looked several times. My PI looked several times. No one could find the bag. The only one who ever saw the bag was the MR. In order to put this thing to rest, we need him to look one more time.

Lee gets word back to the supervisor neighbor and tells him the PI's could find nothing. Can we get the MR back out there? So the supervisor reasigns the MR to the route and asks him to see if the bag is still there. The route is scheduled for the 11th of every month, so they have missed the November slot, but he'll be assigned to the route on Dec. 11.

The MR goes back on the route, finds the bag, sees the skull...and Caylee is brought home.
Now one of the PIs brags to his good buddy LP about the trips they made to that same area and found nothing, and the circus begins again.

The key piece of the above puzzle is confirming or denying a link between the neighbors and the MR. The "supervisor as neighbor" is one possible link. Another possible link is "MR chats up neighbor". But a link needs to exist for the above theory to make sense.

The daisy chain, as I see it, is:

1. Kio - Bailey - Brian B. - Kio - detective - TES. Failure to find the remains starts a second chain.
2. Lee - neighbors - supervisor - MR - LE. Failure to find the remains starts a third chain.
3. TES. Failure to find the remains starts a fourth chain.
4. Lee - PI - Lee - supervisor - MR. Success.

IMHO"

BBM. I think you are spot on about Lee and I also think he refuses to go along with CA's nonsense. THAT,imo is why he has stayed out of the spotlight.

Just Jayla
01-24-2010, 03:01 PM
Didn't AD get a subpoena? Poop, I figured that if they used the subpoena method, we would definately hear about it because they will have to then pass it to JB as discovery....

The judge advised AD to go ahead and submit the subpoena because DC wasn't listed on the witness list. If they take this route JB can't be at the investigative hearing.

But... because JB wants to be at the hearing he said to reporters today that he intended to add DC to the witness list and the normal deposition process can take place at that point.

So... if JB holds up to his word, the depo will take place and we will get a copy of the transcript under the sunshine laws. With a subpoena we would not be privy to the information.

I am trying to play catch up and am really confused about this whole issue of DC deposition. Could you please expound on this issue?

Who is AD? (duh?)

What is the difference between a deposition and an investigative hearing?

Only portion of hearing I have seen so far is the first part involving DC and I thought that JB could not be present since SA wants to question DC about actions AFTER his contract with JB was cancelled?

Help....



Just now saw this...BBM from your quote....I meant AD as in Annie-She was under subpeona when she was interviewed by LE and LDB. Was hoping DC's subpeoned investigation would be released like Annie's was.

The World According
01-29-2010, 06:31 PM
Have any of you that are local heard anything about this taking place yet? Thanks in advance!!!

RR0004
01-29-2010, 09:39 PM
Have any of you that are local heard anything about this taking place yet? Thanks in advance!!!
Yes, where the heck is this going? Why hasn't this depo been addressed by the State again?

The World According
01-31-2010, 11:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz1p2mI31O4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_sEh-hVZcA

Tulessa
01-31-2010, 11:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz1p2mI31O4

Interesting.:waitasec:

The World According
01-31-2010, 11:57 AM
Yes, where the heck is this going? Why hasn't this depo been addressed by the State again?

The only inference we can draw is that indeed they did depose him as the judge ordered in that hearing that they could utilize the time they had already scheduled to do so and simply do it under a state's investigative subpoena. In that case the defense would not be present and it would not be released to the public.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY3HuVsPZss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mdd1_tWYMM

Just Jayla
01-31-2010, 02:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz1p2mI31O4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_sEh-hVZcA


How does Geraldo figure that these tapes belong to the Anthony's? The camera was not their's, the tape was not their's, and DC said he didn't even know he was being taped. Am I hearing/seeing this incorrectly?

Funny when Geraldo talks about seedy people-Geraldo is the guy that was photographed autographing the backsides of Hooter's ladies in Spotsylvania, Va., while he was there covering the DC sniper case-A father of six, heading home to Pennsylvania, was gassing up at a station just a block from that Hooters when he was shot and killed by the snipers. And GR's in the local paper with a big grin and an orange heiney behind his head. Geraldo is gross.

ETA-But he makes me laugh, especially when he almost got swept away in Galveston....

The World According
01-31-2010, 03:06 PM
How does Geraldo figure that these tapes belong to the Anthony's? The camera was not their's, the tape was not their's, and DC said he didn't even know he was being taped. Am I hearing/seeing this incorrectly?

Funny when Geraldo talks about seedy people-Geraldo is the guy that was photographed autographing the backsides of Hooter's ladies in Spotsylvania, Va., while he was there covering the DC sniper case-A father of six, heading home to Pennsylvania, was gassing up at a station just a block from that Hooters when he was shot and killed by the snipers. And GR's in the local paper with a big grin and an orange heiney behind his head. Geraldo is gross.

ETA-But he makes me laugh, especially when he almost got swept away in Galveston....

Hi Jayla, agreed it is classic Anthonyonics!

Searchfortruth
01-31-2010, 06:12 PM
How does Geraldo figure that these tapes belong to the Anthony's? The camera was not their's, the tape was not their's, and DC said he didn't even know he was being taped. Am I hearing/seeing this incorrectly?

Funny when Geraldo talks about seedy people-Geraldo is the guy that was photographed autographing the backsides of Hooter's ladies in Spotsylvania, Va., while he was there covering the DC sniper case-A father of six, heading home to Pennsylvania, was gassing up at a station just a block from that Hooters when he was shot and killed by the snipers. And GR's in the local paper with a big grin and an orange heiney behind his head. Geraldo is gross.

ETA-But he makes me laugh, especially when he almost got swept away in Galveston....I had forgotten about the Spotsylvania incident. He makes me nauseated !

On Dominic and the silence...I really hope and believe that he has already spoken with the state (just a hunch). I also believe his testimony (if there is a trial) will be the slam dunk in the case against Casey.

The World According
01-31-2010, 06:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o4YsgbNSSs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqowDOCyiys

The World According
02-16-2010, 09:30 AM
Have any of you locals any news about if Dom moved from his home, or just closed his office? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqBdB3XQE28


If he only closed his office, it could very well be a financial issue. Was it Hoover who said the Anthonys owe Dom over 90K by his estimation for all the unpaid hours he had worked on the case? One cannot pay bills that way. Since they did get paid 20K by their own admission in their depos with the state...if they did not pay him any part of what he is owed..perhaps that helped him see the light.

LambChop
02-16-2010, 09:37 AM
Have any of you locals any news about if Dom moved from his home, or just closed his office? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqBdB3XQE28


If he only closed his office, it could very well be a financial issue. Was it Hoover who said the Anthonys owe Dom over 90K by his estimation for all the unpaid hours he had worked on the case? One cannot pay bills that way. Since they did get paid 20K by their own admission in their depos with the state...if they did not pay him any part of what he is owed..perhaps that helped him see the light.

They decided to take that cruise instead.

100%Agave
02-16-2010, 10:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o4YsgbNSSs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqowDOCyiys

Thanks for that. I had forgotten what an idiot GR is and just how far up JB's butt he is which just makes him even more pathetic than he already was.

I wonder how many strings GR has pulled for JB for access to other lawyers, experts, etc. And what he plans to get in return.

Spangle
02-16-2010, 10:40 AM
If the A's owe him $90,000 and he turns State's evidence... then it will be mentioned in the courtroom. To make it seem like revenge and not reliable.. IMHO

But I don't feel sorry for him. He shouldn't have let it get that high..

Gma Kat
02-17-2010, 12:25 PM
Thanks for that. I had forgotten what an idiot GR is and just how far up JB's butt he is which just makes him even more pathetic than he already was.

I wonder how many strings GR has pulled for JB for access to other lawyers, experts, etc. And what he plans to get in return.

Sorry this is OT, but it just dawned on me, could GR be KC's benefactor? OR someone connected to the media, to ensure they get the inside story on every detail before the rest of the media. That sure seems unethical, but could it be possible?

LambChop
02-17-2010, 12:27 PM
Anyone local have any news on DC? Is he still conducting business? On vacation?

Gma Kat
02-17-2010, 12:28 PM
I really believe people want to insert themselves in high profile cases for the publicity but the reality is high profile cases take over your lives, not just your business, and you can't really do any other business while you are on a high profile case. So if he let his fee get to 90K without trying to collect, well, consider the publicity as paid in full. Not a very good deal if you ask me.

Tulessa
02-17-2010, 12:41 PM
Sorry this is OT, but it just dawned on me, could GR be KC's benefactor? OR someone connected to the media, to ensure they get the inside story on every detail before the rest of the media. That sure seems unethical, but could it be possible?

This has been mentioned before by some members here (can't remember the thread though).

cyberborg
02-17-2010, 01:07 PM
I really believe people want to insert themselves in high profile cases for the publicity but the reality is high profile cases take over your lives, not just your business, and you can't really do any other business while you are on a high profile case. So if he let his fee get to 90K without trying to collect, well, consider the publicity as paid in full. Not a very good deal if you ask me.

Classic disconnect IMO.

I think DC had an expectation of being paid $90K at some point (when Caylee was found?) and it all turned out to plan. The A's had an expectation that everyone connected with them volunteered and they reserved the rights on any payment.

Obviously, DC originally wanted in and the A's wanted to leverage him but -- while there was an agreement, payment was more of an understanding. As things typically do in Anthony-land, DC became more of a liability than benefit and so he was sidelined. BC will get the same ultimate treatment.

Thanks but ..... we are victims too, we have no jobs and, we need to watch our money. Payment is your moment in the spotlight. Good or bad.

Kentjbkent
02-17-2010, 03:41 PM
Classic disconnect IMO.

I think DC had an expectation of being paid $90K at some point (when Caylee was found?) and it all turned out to plan. The A's had an expectation that everyone connected with them volunteered and they reserved the rights on any payment.

Obviously, DC originally wanted in and the A's wanted to leverage him but -- while there was an agreement, payment was more of an understanding. As things typically do in Anthony-land, DC became more of a liability than benefit and so he was sidelined. BC will get the same ultimate treatment.

Thanks but ..... we are victims too, we have no jobs and, we need to watch our money. Payment is your moment in the spotlight. Good or bad.

Which brings up an interesting point...

Didn't we see a copy of the written agreement between DC and the Anthonys in a doc that stated he was to be paid "on a contingency basis" , and we were all wondering "contingent upon WHAT?", but the 2nd page of the three page document was missing???

So if DC had an expectation of making $90,000, how much money were the Anthony's to make....and from what source???!!!

Tulessa
02-17-2010, 03:44 PM
Which brings up an interesting point...

Didn't we see a copy of the written agreement between DC and the Anthonys in a doc that stated he was to be paid "on a contingency basis" , and we were all wondering "contingent upon WHAT?", but the 2nd page of the three page document was missing???

So if DC had an expectation of making $90,000, how much money were the Anthony's to make....and from what source???!!!

And does this tie back in to the supposed book deal?

cyberborg
02-17-2010, 03:50 PM
Which brings up an interesting point...

Didn't we see a copy of the written agreement between DC and the Anthonys in a doc that stated he was to be paid "on a contingency basis" , and we were all wondering "contingent upon WHAT?", but the 2nd page of the three page document was missing???

So if DC had an expectation of making $90,000, how much money were the Anthony's to make....and from what source???!!!

$1.25M from a book/movie?

The World According
02-17-2010, 03:51 PM
Does anyone have that missing page of the agreement, letter of engagement as he loves to call it, between mom and pop and Dom? The part that is mysteriously missing is the contingency or payment promise. I would be very interested to see that.

He better pray he did not use one of Jose's for a template. Remember the one he made that he claimed to have worked so hard on researching every book in the law library to structure regarding LP and crew....and it contradicted itself paragraph by paragraph?

The fact that Jose and then the Anthonys would employ, under any circumstance, someone who had only been a PI for a few short months to do something as urgent and vital as look for a missing child tells me that they knew it was a farce. I wouldn't even let an inexperienced mechanic work on my car.....let alone hire someone with no experience to look for the most precious thing in the world to me. Come on.

Whatever he charged them was a joke, the "PI" work he did was a joke and I am happy finally, after a year and half of stalling ....he finally had to answer the state's questions.

He flat out lied to LE in his interview and said he did not know Hoover was videotaping him. Then he and Brad go on Geraldo and claim that Hoover was pedaling the tape when the tape was work product, it belonged to Dom and therefore to mom and pop....on national TV they asserted this....both of them knowing he had said he had no knowledge of the tape to Yuri, under oath. You just can't make this stuff up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_sEh-hVZcA

100%Agave
02-17-2010, 03:57 PM
Sorry this is OT, but it just dawned on me, could GR be KC's benefactor? OR someone connected to the media, to ensure they get the inside story on every detail before the rest of the media. That sure seems unethical, but could it be possible?

I think it is very possible that this is true. GR might have been smart enough to hide it by having someone else actually front the money, etc. But think about it....how many times has JB been on GR for this case or as a talking head? Now how many times has been on any other show? How many times on those other shows has he given any information other than "we will try this in court, not in the court of public opinion"?

GR appears to have exclusive access to JB at any time. Maybe GR is not so much funding KC's defense as he is funding JB. I think that GR (think greasy individual here) might have been the one to hook JB up with Todd Black aka Gil Cabot as well as Todd M and AL.

I don't think these people, with the exception of TB, just volunteered to jump on this crazy train all by themselves. Someone had to have nudged them gently in that direction and GR has the connections and money to make that happen.

All speculation on my part before I get blasted for the above.

Tulessa
02-17-2010, 04:00 PM
$1.25M from a book/movie?

Great minds lol.

Chiquita71
02-18-2010, 12:29 AM
I agree that DC has information that would prove to be detrimental to the defense.

Last December, as a follow-up, Yuri Malich went to the Anthony home with a search warrant. Present were Cindy, George, the Milsteads, DC, and I think JH. Cindy told Yuri, "I sent someone to search that area last month and nothing was there." It was also at that time that Cindy admitted that Caylee's Winnie-the-Pooh blanket was missing - something she had previously withheld.

I've always felt that there was something very hinky about DC's search. I think the psychic's participation in that search was a cover for who really supplied the information on where Caylee's remains were located. The psychic did state in an interview that she had spoken to Cindy on the phone, and Cindy had sent her a stuffed animal that had belonged to Caylee.

I think the whole thing was a set up.........Cindy or Lee got the information from Casey on where to find Caylee. Cindy told the psychic some details, and if ever questioned, the psychic was to say that she had a vision of where Caylee was.

I think DC was part of the planning on how to make it look like something it wasn't..........a psychic leading him to Caylee's remains. Remember his words to JH - "We're going to go get Caylee." He KNEW where she was, at least the general vicinity, and was confident he would find her.

We don't know who was on the phone with DC as he searched. I'm confident it wasn't his sick daughter, nor was it the psychic. I think it had to have been one of the Anthonys. I suspect it was Lee, and the reason I suspect it was Lee is because I think he's the only one in the family Casey would confide in. Lee shared what he knew with Cindy, who arranged for DC to search the area. When it came to the search, Lee would be the one who would be able to relate his conversation with Casey to DC.

Respectfully Quoted Leila :)
BBM

ITA with your whole post, thank you. For the part in bold, I can see this being the way it was due to the family dynamics. I had read what is below earlier today and came to this thread to read. When I came across your post, I couldn't help but remember this section of the report. Melich is speaking of Michelle Murphy a girl who lived with Lee and another roommate and was a close family friend of the Anthony family.

OCSO Supplemental Report

In February or March of 2007 Casey told Michelle that she had been pregnant with Brandon's child and later had a miscarriage. While pregnant, Casey shared this with Lee who in turn told Cynthia. Michelle said that Cynthia was very upset with this news. Michelle doubts Casey was ever pregnant.
(end)

In his statement to LE, DC says that JH was a "sneaky devil" and was video taping him without his permission/knowledge. DC says he said something to the effect of "what the he!! are you doing video taping me" and LE asks if that is on the tape and DC(not in a straight way but says) "Yes". I have watched the video on YouTube but there was no sound. Do we know if what DC claims is true? TIA

:cow:

Chiquita71
02-18-2010, 01:50 AM
Hi Chiquita. Now I am getting confused because I thought I heard that the no clothes party was in May and Cindy was babysitting that night, and she was mad because she (Cindy) thought Casey was at work. It was in June that Cindy hadn't see Casey for a month, and since she knew Casey was still partying by checking out Casey and Amy's facebook, she was wondering where Caylee was. I think this is clear here that Cindy knew nothing about the Zanny Nanny until Casey started feeding that story to Cindy in June. But she certainly seems to have fed the nanny story to her friends because she wanted her friends to think she was "way cool". I've been mulling over a scenario where Casey finally had to come up with an accident theory for JB, and admitted the location approx of Cayley. Jose sent DC to look for the body and just couldn't find it because he was looking for a "body" and being a bit of a dumba?? it didn't occur to him there was almost nothing left and what was left was spread all over the place. I think it was JB on the phone, and that's why the many privileged motions. Since Cindy is such a blabber, I really really doubt JB would trust her with the "real" information that they were actually looking for Caylee. Am I way off base here?


Quote Respect logicalgirl :)
BBM

I have more info now and more of an opinion on this information from logicalgirl. Thank you!

In my previous post I said that I could see the family dynamics being that Casey was able/willing to tell Lee and he told Cindy. ITA agree with what you have said except I think it was Lee not JB, who Casey told and that is exactly how she would have told him: that it was an accident. I didn't think Casey told anyone because I don't think she would ever admit what she really did but I wasn't putting it together that she would give the info like it was an accident.

(Now whether JB is involved in that and knew also, I don't have enough info to have an opinion on that.)

The reason(s) I think it went from Casey to Lee to Cindy(besides the "family dynamic" reason and many of the same reasons other WS's feel it was Lee) is because Cindy sent "people" to search that area, withheld info about the Pooh blanket, etc. She received the information via Lee.

RE: DC being a "dumba" (kute :) ) ITA with all that you said about that: him expecting to find a "body." According to LE, RK said the officer that responded to the remains site at the request of RK "argued with him whether Caylee would be a skeleton"(not exact quote). It seems the officer went to the edge of the swampy area, as close as you could get before leaving dry land(the officer even slipped on a slope) and RK felt "belittled" by the officer dismissing the find as a "waste" of (resources? something to that effect). If an actual officer isn't thinking "skeleton" then it is more than reasonable neither was DC, or Cindy. DC mentioned many times in his interview with LE that he was "freaked out" and "hoping not to find anything" and "worried what he would find"(not exact quotes). If he was expecting to come across the corpse of a two and a half year old girl, it makes more sense to me his worry. I do think he was relieved when he did not find anything. IIRC he says something to that effect.

Is that the answer? The reason they didn't find anything was because they were looking for a body? Not remains? Only RK understood what he was seeing.

...jmo...

The World According
02-18-2010, 03:59 PM
Has anyone done a county clerk records search to see if Dom has sold his home?

LambChop
02-18-2010, 04:20 PM
What if this went deeper than we know? What if someone from the media wanted an exclusive and would pay big money for it if they could find the remains? Just a crazy thought but DC is fearful of something and it's not just JB. JMO

Reagan
02-18-2010, 07:22 PM
100%Agave,
who is TB?

To me that's Troy Brown... and I'm pretty sure that's not who you're referring to ;)

The World According
02-18-2010, 07:35 PM
100%Agave,
who is TB?

To me that's Troy Brown... and I'm pretty sure that's not who you're referring to ;)

I think they are speaking of Todd Black.

Aedrys
02-18-2010, 07:40 PM
I'm now starting to wonder if they went looking for a body specifically for the purpose of making a better book/movie deal down the road. Either find the body, hide it, and make this case even more of a circus than it already is and without a body be able to claim innocence more and more (write a whole book on how innocent Casey is), or not find the body and use that as extra drama to be added to a book/movie. "We had to go out on our own and look for our grandbaby, and she just wasn't there." You know, make it fall back on the evil LE and how they wouldn't help these poor grandparents, wah wah wah.

Thankfully, Kronk found her and put an end to any of that coming out in a book, or them being able to get any kind of movie/book deal that would net them any sort of profit, much less the profit they were looking for in the beginning. Now doing what they did just makes them look worse, and makes their prospects for any book or movie deal look dimmer by the day. It's no wonder they don't mind the finger being pointed at Kronk since he's the one that effectively cut off their bloody money train.

LambChop
02-18-2010, 07:42 PM
Reagan, I think it is Todd Black.

Kentjbkent
02-18-2010, 07:42 PM
What if this went deeper than we know? What if someone from the media wanted an exclusive and would pay big money for it if they could find the remains? Just a crazy thought but DC is fearful of something and it's not just JB. JMO

Jail????

logicalgirl
02-18-2010, 07:47 PM
Quote Respect logicalgirl :)
BBM

I have more info now and more of an opinion on this information from logicalgirl. Thank you!

In my previous post I said that I could see the family dynamics being that Casey was able/willing to tell Lee and he told Cindy. ITA agree with what you have said except I think it was Lee not JB, who Casey told and that is exactly how she would have told him: that it was an accident. I didn't think Casey told anyone because I don't think she would ever admit what she really did but I wasn't putting it together that she would give the info like it was an accident.

(Now whether JB is involved in that and knew also, I don't have enough info to have an opinion on that.)

The reason(s) I think it went from Casey to Lee to Cindy(besides the "family dynamic" reason and many of the same reasons other WS's feel it was Lee) is because Cindy sent "people" to search that area, withheld info about the Pooh blanket, etc. She received the information via Lee.

RE: DC being a "dumba" (kute :) ) ITA with all that you said about that: him expecting to find a "body." According to LE, RK said the officer that responded to the remains site at the request of RK "argued with him whether Caylee would be a skeleton"(not exact quote). It seems the officer went to the edge of the swampy area, as close as you could get before leaving dry land(the officer even slipped on a slope) and RK felt "belittled" by the officer dismissing the find as a "waste" of (resources? something to that effect). If an actual officer isn't thinking "skeleton" then it is more than reasonable neither was DC, or Cindy. DC mentioned many times in his interview with LE that he was "freaked out" and "hoping not to find anything" and "worried what he would find"(not exact quotes). If he was expecting to come across the corpse of a two and a half year old girl, it makes more sense to me his worry. I do think he was relieved when he did not find anything. IIRC he says something to that effect.

Is that the answer? The reason they didn't find anything was because they were looking for a body? Not remains? Only RK understood what he was seeing.

...jmo...

Yes, it makes sense Chiquita, but when would Lee tell Casey? He hadn't talked to her face to face for months had he? And I can't imagine Casey writing it down in one of the family letters JB has been ferrying back and forth because I feel confident JB reads and approves them before he does the exchange. Or am I mistaken about the Lee/Casey contact time? I thought I remembered Leonard saying JB seemed pretty chummy with the family around that time. And didn't he attend the crab puff/steak dinner with the family?

The World According
02-18-2010, 07:52 PM
Fast forward to close to the end of this video and check out what this PI says. Vinne Parko, a private investigator, says that his firm gets hired sometimes to get close to the parties in a high profile case...BY THE LITERARY AGENT OR PRODUCTION AGENT...SO THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES THEY HAVE AN IN ROAD TO MAKE A DEAL. I just don't see Dom as even smart enough to even think along these lines, do you? I don't think he met this family for this reason, but who knows...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqpwe7apfl0

Leila
02-18-2010, 10:37 PM
Quote Respect logicalgirl :)
BBM

I have more info now and more of an opinion on this information from logicalgirl. Thank you!

In my previous post I said that I could see the family dynamics being that Casey was able/willing to tell Lee and he told Cindy. ITA agree with what you have said except I think it was Lee not JB, who Casey told and that is exactly how she would have told him: that it was an accident. I didn't think Casey told anyone because I don't think she would ever admit what she really did but I wasn't putting it together that she would give the info like it was an accident.

(Now whether JB is involved in that and knew also, I don't have enough info to have an opinion on that.)

The reason(s) I think it went from Casey to Lee to Cindy(besides the "family dynamic" reason and many of the same reasons other WS's feel it was Lee) is because Cindy sent "people" to search that area, withheld info about the Pooh blanket, etc. She received the information via Lee.

RE: DC being a "dumba" (kute :) ) ITA with all that you said about that: him expecting to find a "body." According to LE, RK said the officer that responded to the remains site at the request of RK "argued with him whether Caylee would be a skeleton"(not exact quote). It seems the officer went to the edge of the swampy area, as close as you could get before leaving dry land(the officer even slipped on a slope) and RK felt "belittled" by the officer dismissing the find as a "waste" of (resources? something to that effect). If an actual officer isn't thinking "skeleton" then it is more than reasonable neither was DC, or Cindy. DC mentioned many times in his interview with LE that he was "freaked out" and "hoping not to find anything" and "worried what he would find"(not exact quotes). If he was expecting to come across the corpse of a two and a half year old girl, it makes more sense to me his worry. I do think he was relieved when he did not find anything. IIRC he says something to that effect.

Is that the answer? The reason they didn't find anything was because they were looking for a body? Not remains? Only RK understood what he was seeing.

...jmo...

I think it's very likely that everyone was in the mindset that they were looking for a body - a whole, complete, body. No one was looking for scattered bits and pieces. That's why searchers like JW and some of the TES searchers have made the statement that "they searched that area and nothing was there." That's why Cindy could make that statement to Yuri Malich, when he served another search warrant in December 2008 - about two weeks after the remains were found.

By the time that Cindy made that first phone call to 911, 31 days had already elapsed. By the time of the first search by TES, more than two months had elapsed.

The hot summer heat in Florida, the humidity and frequent rain, not to mention Hurricane Fay, and the wild animals, would all contribute to the decomposition of a body, to the point that in a very short time, searchers would be looking for only pieces. For untrained searchers, they could pass by a bone and not recognize it as part of a human skeleton.

And, on top of all this, the area where Caylee's remains were eventually found was under water for most of that time. With only bits and pieces, it doesn't take much water to conceal the remains of what was once a small body, now reduced to small bits and pieces.

100%Agave
02-18-2010, 10:45 PM
100%Agave,
who is TB?

To me that's Troy Brown... and I'm pretty sure that's not who you're referring to ;)

Sorry....it's Todd Black aka Gil Cabot aka "so many names...so little time".

joypath
02-18-2010, 11:26 PM
I think it's very likely that everyone was in the mindset that they were looking for a body - a whole, complete, body. No one was looking for scattered bits and pieces. That's why searchers like JW and some of the TES searchers have made the statement that "they searched that area and nothing was there." That's why Cindy could make that statement to Yuri Malich, when he served another search warrant in December 2008 - about two weeks after the remains were found.

By the time that Cindy made that first phone call to 911, 31 days had already elapsed. By the time of the first search by TES, more than two months had elapsed.

The hot summer heat in Florida, the humidity and frequent rain, not to mention Hurricane Fay, and the wild animals, would all contribute to the decomposition of a body, to the point that in a very short time, searchers would be looking for only pieces. For untrained searchers, they could pass by a bone and not recognize it as part of a human skeleton.

And, on top of all this, the area where Caylee's remains were eventually found was under water for most of that time. With only bits and pieces, it doesn't take much water to conceal the remains of what was once a small body, now reduced to small bits and pieces.


You've hit the thumb on the nail! This is EXACTLY why TES stopped the search when the water level was so high, the disarticulated bones which Tim Miller KNEW from experience would be scattered would be mucked under by the equipment!

faefrost
02-18-2010, 11:38 PM
I'm now starting to wonder if they went looking for a body specifically for the purpose of making a better book/movie deal down the road. Either find the body, hide it, and make this case even more of a circus than it already is and without a body be able to claim innocence more and more (write a whole book on how innocent Casey is), or not find the body and use that as extra drama to be added to a book/movie. "We had to go out on our own and look for our grandbaby, and she just wasn't there." You know, make it fall back on the evil LE and how they wouldn't help these poor grandparents, wah wah wah.

Thankfully, Kronk found her and put an end to any of that coming out in a book, or them being able to get any kind of movie/book deal that would net them any sort of profit, much less the profit they were looking for in the beginning. Now doing what they did just makes them look worse, and makes their prospects for any book or movie deal look dimmer by the day. It's no wonder they don't mind the finger being pointed at Kronk since he's the one that effectively cut off their bloody money train.

The states request for a private meeting with the judge, and to withhold information and evidence from the defense pending full investigation makes me suspect something diferent. If the state specifically does not want the defense to know something it makes me wonder if DC did not say those magic words "Someone on the defense team instructed and/or promised to pay me to find and MOVE the body". LE and the SA would not be able to directly act immediately on simply the say so of a multiple times over discredited witness like DC, but it would be enough to trigger a sealed investigation like that, wouldn't it?

ExpectingUnicorns
02-18-2010, 11:49 PM
I can't recall if it was actually officially stated but feel confident in saying that most TES volunteer searchers were scouting for bones every bit as much as they were for a body. I can't begin to tell you the number of markers that were placed by bones that were called in for further determination as to whether or not they were human or animal.

Spangle
02-19-2010, 12:37 AM
I can't recall if it was actually officially stated but feel confident in saying that most TES volunteer searchers were scouting for bones every bit as much as they were for a body. I can't begin to tell you the number of markers that were placed by bones that were called in for further determination as to whether or not they were human or animal.

Smart move. Because even if it isn't the body of the person they volunteered to search for, it might solve a different case.

Chiquita71
02-19-2010, 01:07 PM
Hello WS :)

Interview with LE
Dominic Casey
January 7, 2009

LE: Okay. What else did you talk about on the way down?
DC: I just said, "I, I hope to God it's not." I said, "I know this area's been searched," and I said "I just, I just hope, this is not something I want to do. I don't want to go in there. I don't want to see anything and I don't want to do this."

OCSO Supplemental Report

Roy said the deputy was dismissive and told him the area had already been checked and Roy was wasting the county's time.
(skip)
Roy believes Chris did not see the object and he David said he thought Roy was crazy. Roy confirmed that the white object was at least 4-6' from dry land in the water.
(skip)
A deputy was dispatched and met with Roy. When the deputy shows up, Roy pointed to the white item (skull) but it wasn't as prominent as before. The deputy walked toward the waterline, looked around and then turned to walk back, slipping on the slope while doing so. The deputy got within six feet from the object but never touched or manipulated it. Roy told the deputy he thought he saw a human skull but the deputy started "arguing" with him on whether the remains would be skeletal by now. The deputy said he was wasting the county's time and Roy felt belittled.

TM understood what he was looking for and that is different than what RK and DC were experiencing. Was TM ever aware of what RK was reporting? I wonder if TM had known, he might have also understood what he was seeing: Caylee's remains. My understanding(please correct if wrong)is that TM called off the search for the reason there was water. But he never went back? Was he going to go back when the water was gone? When DC was there and when Caylee's remains were "finally" found-the water was gone, so why hadn't anyone from TM's camp gone back to search?

I was thinking that maybe Cindy didn't tell DC that she had given the psychic information. Leaving him to believe that he was in touch with someone who was having a true vision. DC says he was freaked out for two reasons: because of the psychic and her details and because he did not want to find "anything."

LE: You were freaked out because of the pavers?
DC: Yeah, and I've got somebody up in Virginia telling me that there's, look for...
LE: Right
DC: ...something and (inaudible).
LE: Were you guys pretty much, I mean were you relieved that you had gone there and you'd searched and, and uh, it was over with?
DC: I was relieved that I did not see or find anything.
LE: Okay

I would say that JB knew also if it is true that he told DC: "If you find anything don't call 911." I agree with WSer's who are saying that LE already knew what was on the video tape when they were questioning DC. They seem very suspicious that DC did not know JH was video taping him. They also seem suspicious as to why DC ever went to the spot he did: besides why he(they meaning his clients)decided what tips they would follow up on but specifically why that one. DC gives the Kio interview as the main and first reason he was searching that area. LE asks him, why he thought a place Casey used to hang out when she was a teen equates to finding Caylee. They question him about that a lot.

Cindy may have also given DC the Kio reason for why she was having him search there but needed the extra information of the psychic to be able to say to DC: this is worth checking out. At this time, the Anthonys are looking for a live Caylee so this "tip" would have to be a strong one. DC was hired to "investigate the disappearance" of Caylee, her kidnapping-not to find her dead body, is what I am inferring from his statements.

ETA: As far as any book deals or other reasons for "why Dominick is scared" that is all over my head at this time.

...JS...(Just Sleuthing)

Chiquita71
02-19-2010, 07:02 PM
The states request for a private meeting with the judge, and to withhold information and evidence from the defense pending full investigation makes me suspect something diferent. If the state specifically does not want the defense to know something it makes me wonder if DC did not say those magic words "Someone on the defense team instructed and/or promised to pay me to find and MOVE the body". LE and the SA would not be able to directly act immediately on simply the say so of a multiple times over discredited witness like DC, but it would be enough to trigger a sealed investigation like that, wouldn't it?

Quote Respect faefrost :)

I am thinking this is what might be going on. That, through DC the SA may have the proof that Casey admitted through(JB, DC, Lee and then to Cindy)that Caylee's death was an "accident" and that she had disposed of her daughter's body.

I wonder if that is why Cindy was pushing the "drowning in the pool" theory in her interviews for a while?

I would think that JB being involved might be enough for why the SA wanted a private meeting?

...js...

The World According
02-20-2010, 04:30 PM
Classic disconnect IMO.

I think DC had an expectation of being paid $90K at some point (when Caylee was found?) and it all turned out to plan. The A's had an expectation that everyone connected with them volunteered and they reserved the rights on any payment.

Obviously, DC originally wanted in and the A's wanted to leverage him but -- while there was an agreement, payment was more of an understanding. As things typically do in Anthony-land, DC became more of a liability than benefit and so he was sidelined. BC will get the same ultimate treatment.

Thanks but ..... we are victims too, we have no jobs and, we need to watch our money. Payment is your moment in the spotlight. Good or bad.

Did we ever see that missing page that sets out the contingency in their letter of engagement? I think that will be very telling and was so OBVIOUSLY LEFT OUT WHEN THE DOCUMENT WAS RELEASED.

joypath
02-20-2010, 05:03 PM
I can't recall if it was actually officially stated but feel confident in saying that most TES volunteer searchers were scouting for bones every bit as much as they were for a body. I can't begin to tell you the number of markers that were placed by bones that were called in for further determination as to whether or not they were human or animal.

ExpextingUnicorns: More times than I care to recount the manner that this information is presented is "if ANYTHING looks unusual, get confirmation by another searcher, mark it and then a "pro" will evaluate your marker". I've always indicated that I'd rather look at something familiar to me than miss something important to a family. The other point often made and emphasized: the lost one found might be another rather than the one folks were searching.

joypath
02-20-2010, 05:06 PM
Did we ever see that missing page that sets out the contingency in their letter of engagement? I think that will be very telling and was so OBVIOUSLY LEFT OUT WHEN THE DOCUMENT WAS RELEASED.


Maybe it was written with invisible ink?....or perhaps filed by Jose's ever efficient part-time summer help while she was out on ....ahem..."home confinement"? and she used the circular filing system?

Sun
02-20-2010, 06:07 PM
Did we ever see that missing page that sets out the contingency in their letter of engagement? I think that will be very telling and was so OBVIOUSLY LEFT OUT WHEN THE DOCUMENT WAS RELEASED.

So far, that missing page of the "agreement" has not been released publicly. It's clearly something that DC wants kept private, and I wonder how long that will be?

The World According
02-20-2010, 06:12 PM
Listen to Dom tell this B.S. ( near the end ) of a live Caylee, days after he was searching the woods, having told Hoover, "Caylee is dead. We are going to get her".http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ongUkbBB5t4

Notice it is Dom speaking , not Mr. Nejame, who washed his hands of this nonsense. You just can't make this stuff up!!!

Searchfortruth
02-20-2010, 06:29 PM
Oh, Dominic is going to make such an excellent witness for the state ! Cindy and George have been quiet lately, Casey and her team are flat broke and their trusted PI is going to spill the dirt on the family (in open court). I couldn't have dreamed this scenario up if I tried !

Spoiler
02-22-2010, 01:39 AM
Looks as if Dominic is not scared at all contrary to this thread.
I agree, he will be a pivotal witness if this ever gets to trial.

faefrost
02-22-2010, 01:53 AM
Quote Respect faefrost :)

I am thinking this is what might be going on. That, through DC the SA may have the proof that Casey admitted through(JB, DC, Lee and then to Cindy)that Caylee's death was an "accident" and that she had disposed of her daughter's body.

I wonder if that is why Cindy was pushing the "drowning in the pool" theory in her interviews for a while?

I would think that JB being involved might be enough for why the SA wanted a private meeting?

...js...

It isn't just that JB would be involved in knowing that KC was dead. That wouldn't trigger a request for4 a closed or private meeting. Even JB sending someone out to look for the body would not do this. Not even his cryptic instructions to not call 911 but call him instead. While unconscionable is still within the boundries and ethical limitations of a defense attorney. His obligation is to the client and not LE. BUT!!!! If the SA had testimony or some strong indication that JB gave specific instructions that the body be moved or evidence removed recovered or altered that is a whole diferent story. He would have then comitted a crime himself. But for the SA to properly investigate an attorney sitting in an adversarial position like that would require such 1 party comunication with the judge. Whereas LE and the SA can do whatever they wish investigatively regarding the other players such as the A family. There really isn't any obvious compelling reason to block knowlege of such an investigation from the defense.

That's why I think DC gave some rather interesting testimony and threw JB under the bus.

Intermezzo
02-22-2010, 08:40 AM
Listen to Dom tell this B.S. ( near the end ) of a live Caylee, days after he was searching the woods, having told Hoover, "Caylee is dead. We are going to get her".http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ongUkbBB5t4

Notice it is Dom speaking , not Mr. Nejame, who washed his hands of this nonsense. You just can't make this stuff up!!!

Thanks TWA
IMO, and What I find sad, is that the longer Caylee is missing the more confident they are that she will come home. .In this press conference Cindy says she is confident that every day they get closer and closer to finding her...

Cindy also says near the end that they are not out there to discredit what the Prosecution has against Casey...:waitasec:

Intermezzo
02-22-2010, 08:48 AM
The states request for a private meeting with the judge, and to withhold information and evidence from the defense pending full investigation makes me suspect something diferent. If the state specifically does not want the defense to know something it makes me wonder if DC did not say those magic words "Someone on the defense team instructed and/or promised to pay me to find and MOVE the body". LE and the SA would not be able to directly act immediately on simply the say so of a multiple times over discredited witness like DC, but it would be enough to trigger a sealed investigation like that, wouldn't it?

Hi faefrost
The SA is not asking to withhold any information or evidence nor not want the defense to know something.
The Prosecution, as stated in the Ex Parte Motion, knows the information and evidence is discoverable to the defense, they only seek to delay it's release.

Now I don't know if DC or JB acting unethically would be considered Discoverable information or evidence in the case against Casey .:waitasec:
Perhaps one of the lawyers on WS can answer that, Please.

AZlawyer
02-22-2010, 11:18 AM
Hi faefrost
The SA is not asking to withhold any information or evidence nor not want the defense to know something.
The Prosecution, as stated in the Ex Parte Motion, knows the information and evidence is discoverable to the defense, they only seek to delay it's release.

Now I don't know if DC or JB acting unethically would be considered Discoverable information or evidence in the case against Casey .:waitasec:
Perhaps one of the lawyers on WS can answer that, Please.

Just the mere fact of an ethics violation wouldn't be discoverable. But if, hypothetically, either of them actually tampered with the evidence, that would be discoverable.

Leila
02-22-2010, 04:21 PM
Just the mere fact of an ethics violation wouldn't be discoverable. But if, hypothetically, either of them actually tampered with the evidence, that would be discoverable.

This is an intriguing possibility! I pose two hypothetical situations.....................

Scenario 1. JB knows where Caylee's remains are located, having learned the general location from Casey. JB sends DC out to locate the remains and report back to him. DC finds the remains and reports to JB the exact location and what he found. JB tells DC to move the remains to a location distant from the Anthony home. DC tells JB he can't do that as the remains are small pieces scattered over a broad area. JB tells DC to remove and dispose of anything from the remains site that would tie Caylee's murder directly to Casey. DC returns to the remains site and removes several items, which he keeps.

Scenario 2. Cindy knows the general location of Caylee's remains, having learned this either directly from Casey when she was out on bond, or from Lee whom Casey confided in. Cindy sends DC out to locate Caylee's remains. DC finds the remains and reports back to Cindy who instructs him to dispose of the remains permanently - bury them in some remote location preferably far from Orlando. DC tells Cindy he can't do that as the remains are spread far and wide. Cindy instructs DC to go back to the remains site and remove anything that could be incriminating to Casey and dispose of it. DC returns to the remains site and removes several items that could tie Casey directly to Caylee's murder. Instead of disposing of these items, he keeps them.

In both of these scenarios we have an individual who has knowledge of where Caylee's remains were located. In both cases these individuals are motivated to keep Caylee's remains from being found, or if found, to make sure that there's nothing with the remains that incriminates Casey.

In both cases we have a private investigator who realized that if he disposed of Caylee's remains he would become an accessory after the fact and that may have played a role in him refusing to dispose of the remains. And in both scenarios, the private investigator keeps the items he was told to remove. Keeping these items may be two-fold. First of all, he knows he's in possession of evidence in a criminal case, and secondly, those items become an "insurance policy" for him to be paid for his services.

If either of these two scenarios proves to be accurate, would that qualify as a just cause for the prosecution's motion for an in camera, ex-parte hearing with the judge without the presence of the defense?

If the first scenario proves to be correct, would that be cause to have JB removed from the case and possibly disbarred?

If the second scenario proves to be correct, would that be grounds for charges of evidence tampering against Cindy and/or George Anthony? Could either of them be charged with accessory after the fact?

And, if either scenario proves correct, could DC be in a position of being offered immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony?

And, if either scenario proves correct, what would this do to the case against Casey Anthony?

LambChop
02-22-2010, 04:32 PM
Don't forget DC asked JH to come with him and JH had a camera. If you were doing something dishonest the last thing you would want with you is a camera. JMO

sleutherontheside
02-22-2010, 04:36 PM
Don't forget DC asked JH to come with him and JH had a camera. If you were doing something dishonest the last thing you would want with you is a camera. JMO


Or maybe because had anything been found, that video would fetch big bucks........

Bee Charmer
02-22-2010, 04:49 PM
This is an intriguing possibility! I pose two hypothetical situations.....................

Scenario 1. JB knows where Caylee's remains are located, having learned the general location from Casey. JB sends DC out to locate the remains and report back to him. DC finds the remains and reports to JB the exact location and what he found. JB tells DC to move the remains to a location distant from the Anthony home. DC tells JB he can't do that as the remains are small pieces scattered over a broad area. JB tells DC to remove and dispose of anything from the remains site that would tie Caylee's murder directly to Casey. DC returns to the remains site and removes several items, which he keeps.

Scenario 2. Cindy knows the general location of Caylee's remains, having learned this either directly from Casey when she was out on bond, or from Lee whom Casey confided in. Cindy sends DC out to locate Caylee's remains. DC finds the remains and reports back to Cindy who instructs him to dispose of the remains permanently - bury them in some remote location preferably far from Orlando. DC tells Cindy he can't do that as the remains are spread far and wide. Cindy instructs DC to go back to the remains site and remove anything that could be incriminating to Casey and dispose of it. DC returns to the remains site and removes several items that could tie Casey directly to Caylee's murder. Instead of disposing of these items, he keeps them.

In both of these scenarios we have an individual who has knowledge of where Caylee's remains were located. In both cases these individuals are motivated to keep Caylee's remains from being found, or if found, to make sure that there's nothing with the remains that incriminates Casey.

In both cases we have a private investigator who realized that if he disposed of Caylee's remains he would become an accessory after the fact and that may have played a role in him refusing to dispose of the remains. And in both scenarios, the private investigator keeps the items he was told to remove. Keeping these items may be two-fold. First of all, he knows he's in possession of evidence in a criminal case, and secondly, those items become an "insurance policy" for him to be paid for his services.

If either of these two scenarios proves to be accurate, would that qualify as a just cause for the prosecution's motion for an in camera, ex-parte hearing with the judge without the presence of the defense?

If the first scenario proves to be correct, would that be cause to have JB removed from the case and possibly disbarred?

If the second scenario proves to be correct, would that be grounds for charges of evidence tampering against Cindy and/or George Anthony? Could either of them be charged with accessory after the fact?

And, if either scenario proves correct, could DC be in a position of being offered immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony?

And, if either scenario proves correct, what would this do to the case against Casey Anthony?

Interesting scenarios, all of them. I think if anything has been done illegally here, the SA has the choice of going to a Grand Jury and getting a sealed indictment. Perhaps to be acted upon AFTER the criminal trial.

If it is baez who acted illegally, that has to be proven for him to be removed from the case, imo. Dominic would have to have some fairly good evidence, it can't be just his word agains baez's, imo.

I think Judge Strickland is up for anything that is coming his way and will rule appropriately.

steadychick
02-22-2010, 05:03 PM
Does anyone know anything for sure about Dominic's whereabouts? Has he, in fact, moved out of his house? Is he answering his cell phone number left on his website? Is he returning calls? Is he in hiding, or is this just speculation? Has anyone seen him or checked on this?

I think if we had this information, it might go quite a ways toward answering our questions re what the in camera hearing is about.

logicalgirl
02-22-2010, 05:33 PM
Because the Winter Olympics are being held in my fair city and it was 15 degrees out yesterday (centigrade) but how did we get from Dom providing evidence that will sink the defense ship to the daisy chain where ALL the evidence is going to be thrown under the bus and Casey will walk.
Anybody?
Is it because the tension is getting to us that these unbelievable scenarios have popped up - or has Leonard finally found a camera to flap at - I've missed something obviously VERY BIG but can't find anything but panic on the threads.
Me? Nah! I don't believe it and won't until I see legal paperwork on it with my own two eyes. I'm all for a good discussion but I don't see enough dissent. Somebody is fear mongering - surely JB isn't that incompetent he'd let Casey sit in jail for all these months waiting for someone to discover evidence that proves his client is innocent.

ZsaZsa
02-22-2010, 05:37 PM
Does anyone know anything for sure about Dominic's whereabouts? Has he, in fact, moved out of his house? Is he answering his cell phone number left on his website? Is he returning calls? Is he in hiding, or is this just speculation? Has anyone seen him or checked on this?

I think if we had this information, it might go quite a ways toward answering our questions re what the in camera hearing is about.

Witness Protection program? :innocent: to keep him out of Cindy's reach..

ThommyMac
02-22-2010, 06:48 PM
Resource for timelines: News Timeline from Google Labs

I just discovered this application from Google Labs this morning, and it is just the coolest thing ever for help in timeline development:

http://newstimeline.googlelabs.com

That is the GREATEST thing since the vegetable medley! Thank you for the link! Hours of fun!
:woohoo:

PS sorry about the lack of timeliness, but I like to re-read the whole thread if I can before posting.

ThommyMac
02-22-2010, 08:48 PM
Wow, this makes me think of Claudius renting a room to hide Martina from Livia. Do not worry, true believers. Cindy ain't no Livia, and LP darn sure isn't a modern Sejanus. I agree with localgirl. Any "TRUE" bombshells for the defense would have them demanding an immediate hearing on every show that would have them. Maybe Dominic is pure dynamite for the state, maybe not. The Houdini act is very interesting, though.
NOTE: None of the comparisons are with any intended malice or slights. I am a big Robert Graves fan and it was the 1st thing to enter me mind reading all the posts.

Leila
02-22-2010, 09:25 PM
Don't forget DC asked JH to come with him and JH had a camera. If you were doing something dishonest the last thing you would want with you is a camera. JMO

If any of my scenarios are anywhere near correct, that probably wasn't the only time that DC searched that area. Knowing that JH would be a witness and had a camera, DC may have staged that search for a specific purpose. Maybe something along the lines of "see, we searched this area and nothing is here - at least nothing is here as of November 15, 2008." And that's what Cindy said to Yuri Malich when he came to the Anthony home to serve a search warrant a few weeks after the remains were found. She said, "I sent someone there a month ago, and nothing was there."

ExpectingUnicorns
02-22-2010, 11:54 PM
If any of my scenarios are anywhere near correct, that probably wasn't the only time that DC searched that area. Knowing that JH would be a witness and had a camera, DC may have staged that search for a specific purpose. Maybe something along the lines of "see, we searched this area and nothing is here - at least nothing is here as of November 15, 2008." And that's what Cindy said to Yuri Malich when he came to the Anthony home to serve a search warrant a few weeks after the remains were found. She said, "I sent someone there a month ago, and nothing was there."

I may be waaaaay wrong here. . . so I'm thankful you brought this up. Because as I looked at the videos and some stills that were captured from them I kept thinking, "I thought DC claimed he didn't know JH was photographing him." So many of the shots looked like they were taken from right over his shoulder. Did I misunderstand that DC claimed he didn't know? And did anyone else question the perspective and angles of the camera, even making allowances for telescopic lenses?

steadychick
02-23-2010, 12:49 AM
I may be waaaaay wrong here. . . so I'm thankful you brought this up. Because as I looked at the videos and some stills that were captured from them I kept thinking, "I thought DC claimed he didn't know JH was photographing him." So many of the shots looked like they were taken from right over his shoulder. Did I misunderstand that DC claimed he didn't know? And did anyone else question the perspective and angles of the camera, even making allowances for telescopic lenses?

Yep, DC claimed that he didn't know, and yet when Hoover supposedly tried to sell the video to Geraldo, suddenly DC and the Anthony's had a copy that they released first, and they claimed that it was their property/work product.

Chiquita71
02-23-2010, 02:41 AM
Interview with LE
Dominic Casey
January 7, 2009

DC claims he turned around and caught JH video taping while in the woods, and claims he was totally unaware JH was video taping him at the abandoned house. It is the video taping of the abandoned that DC is speaking of in the following part:

(skip)
LE: Right. Okay, did he, did he video tape there?
DC: To my knowledge, no.
LE: Okay, so you, you, you, you, he wouldn't have, there would be nothing on that, on that video tape with him standing right there by you video taping you digging with a small garden tool? Uh, we won't find anything like that on there, right?
DC: I'm not saying that you wouldn't. That's highly possible,. He's, he's a sneaky devil. I...
LE: He's a sneaky devil?
DC: If he, if he does, if...
LE: What...
DC: ...there is something on the video tape well...
LE: But if he did it, it would have been...
DC: ...I, I would, (inaudible)...
LE: ...you wouldn't have, you wouldn't have known it?
DC: Excuse me?
LE: If he did do that you wouldn't have known that?
DC: I would not have known that.
LE: Okay. So he probably would have been at some considerable distance? He would have been far enough away where you couldn't have seen him video taping you, right? He certainly wouldn't have been right up there with you, standing right next to you while this is going, he'd have, he'd have been some distance away for you to not have known it.
DC: I wouldn't necessarily say, say that. He was no farther away than, he was, he was probably as far away as you are, or maybe a little, maybe another two or three feet.
LE: Are you saying that I could stand this close to you and video tape you and you not, you wouldn't, you wouldn't know that? I, I'm, you...
DC: I've seen him on s...on, Hopespring with protesters with his video tape and his, and his, he had it here like this under his jacket.
LE: Okay
(skip)
LE: So if he video taped you at the house he would have had that video tape somewhere in his coat and he wouldn't have been standing right up on you like this? Because uh, I don't think he, I mean I certainly don't think I could stand this close to you with a video camera up here, pointing it at you, without you at least seeing me.
DC: To my recollection I did not see him with a video camera, video camera, uh video tape. To my recollection there was no tape in there.
(end)

...JS...

Spoiler
02-27-2010, 11:22 PM
This is an intriguing possibility! I pose two hypothetical situations.....................

Scenario 1. JB knows where Caylee's remains are located, having learned the general location from Casey. JB sends DC out to locate the remains and report back to him. DC finds the remains and reports to JB the exact location and what he found. JB tells DC to move the remains to a location distant from the Anthony home. DC tells JB he can't do that as the remains are small pieces scattered over a broad area. JB tells DC to remove and dispose of anything from the remains site that would tie Caylee's murder directly to Casey. DC returns to the remains site and removes several items, which he keeps.

Scenario 2. Cindy knows the general location of Caylee's remains, having learned this either directly from Casey when she was out on bond, or from Lee whom Casey confided in. Cindy sends DC out to locate Caylee's remains. DC finds the remains and reports back to Cindy who instructs him to dispose of the remains permanently - bury them in some remote location preferably far from Orlando. DC tells Cindy he can't do that as the remains are spread far and wide. Cindy instructs DC to go back to the remains site and remove anything that could be incriminating to Casey and dispose of it. DC returns to the remains site and removes several items that could tie Casey directly to Caylee's murder. Instead of disposing of these items, he keeps them.

In both of these scenarios we have an individual who has knowledge of where Caylee's remains were located. In both cases these individuals are motivated to keep Caylee's remains from being found, or if found, to make sure that there's nothing with the remains that incriminates Casey.

In both cases we have a private investigator who realized that if he disposed of Caylee's remains he would become an accessory after the fact and that may have played a role in him refusing to dispose of the remains. And in both scenarios, the private investigator keeps the items he was told to remove. Keeping these items may be two-fold. First of all, he knows he's in possession of evidence in a criminal case, and secondly, those items become an "insurance policy" for him to be paid for his services.

If either of these two scenarios proves to be accurate, would that qualify as a just cause for the prosecution's motion for an in camera, ex-parte hearing with the judge without the presence of the defense?

If the first scenario proves to be correct, would that be cause to have JB removed from the case and possibly disbarred?

If the second scenario proves to be correct, would that be grounds for charges of evidence tampering against Cindy and/or George Anthony? Could either of them be charged with accessory after the fact?

And, if either scenario proves correct, could DC be in a position of being offered immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony?

And, if either scenario proves correct, what would this do to the case against Casey Anthony?

Number 3 ... He is telling the truth and he was given directions there by Ginnette Lucas as he testified.....
Check the record.

Trapshooter
02-28-2010, 12:14 AM
Number 3 ... He is telling the truth and he was given directions there by Ginnette Lucas as he testified.....
Check the record.

Dominic is as much a stranger with the truth as is Ms. Anthony.

AZlawyer
02-28-2010, 01:33 AM
Number 3 ... He is telling the truth and he was given directions there by Ginnette Lucas as he testified.....
Check the record.

Which is why I really wish Ginette L had released her phone records for the few days BEFORE she called DC. Who called her in the first place, and when?

butterfly1978
02-28-2010, 02:01 AM
Does anyone honestly think that a GL sent DC to the remain site through a psycic vision?

If GL did lead DC to the remain site which can be proven through phone records which I'm not sure it can be, then it is because Cindy somehow told GL where to send DC to, because Cindy herself admitted to sending DC there, also from what I remember Cindy sent GL a bear or something. If I was a gambling woman, I would bet that inside that bear there was a note with directions as well as payment.
HMMMMM that makes me wonder, I wonder if GL may have turned over whatever it was that led DC to the remain site, now that would definitely be damning.

ThommyMac
02-28-2010, 07:21 AM
Which is why I really wish Ginette L had released her phone records for the few days BEFORE she called DC. Who called her in the first place, and when?
Aye, to take a peek behind the curtain. The wizard's bombast ain't matching the little guy behind the smoke, to torture the Oz metaphor(s).

The World According
02-28-2010, 09:40 AM
Dominic is as much a stranger with the truth as is Ms. Anthony.

He certainly is. LE cold busted him lying, under oath when they questioned him. We have the proof here in this letter that he lied to his PI board, ( well wither he lied to them or he lied to Brad..take your pick). He told Le he did not know that Hoover was taping. On the tape, Dom can be heard, several times speaking to Hoover, directing him even. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYweJpl7lwo

----------------------
THE FAPI says the PI s working for the Anthonys possibly violated Florida statutes
I read this in a Press Release dated March 27, 2009

Florida Association of Private Investigators Deplores Reports of Unlicensed Activity

Florida Licensing Statutes are clear; The Private Investigators who involved themselves in the Anthony case appear to have acted in violation of the regulatory provisions governing the investigative profession as set forth in FSS 493. Public should be aware of Licensing Statutes

++++

Fort Lauderdale, FL, March 26, 2009: While refraining from speculation regarding the Caylee Anthony murder case, the Florida Association of Private Investigators, Inc. (FAPI) is speaking out about the activities of the private investigators allegedly working for the Anthony family and their defense attorney having possibly violated of Florida statutes.

__________________________________________________ ________________________

Here is Dom's response he sent :
April 6, 2009
"In response to a scathing press release issued by the co-presidents of FAPI against investigators involved in the Caylee Anthony homicide investigation, Dominic Casey sent Pursuit Magazine the following response:

++++

Mark Feegel and Chuck Chambers,

I was forwarded your/FAPI March 27, 2009 Statement/Press Release. In this Press Release you state that you are refraining from speculation regarding the Caylee Anthony murder case, and the Florida Association of Private Investigators, Inc. (FAPI) “is speaking out”.

You begin by stating: “The Private Investigators who involved themselves in the Anthony case appear to have acted in violation of the regulatory provisions governing the investigative profession . . .” You further state that in Hoovers Deposition, he testified “ . . . “he performed investigative work for both Agencies and unless D&A was subcontracting work to Class Action, or unless Hoover was an employee (not subcontractor) of Class Action and subsequently D&A, Hoover and both agencies allegedly violated the law”.

Also you state “ . . . it is a shame to have this type of embarrassing activity on a high-profile tragedy such as the Caylee Anthony case . . .” Then you abruptly state “The credibility of the private investigator and, indeed, the actual investigation he conducted, may be called into question . . . leading to disastrous results for the client”

Below I have provided extracts of James Hoovers December 18, 2008 Interview with OCSO and FBI, also extracts of James Hoovers March 25, 2009 Deposition. You will note that James Hoover secretly videotaped the Anthony family while at church and without their knowledge, James Hoover states that he was not working for anybody and he intended making money from the photographs or video.

In his deposition, James Hoover stated that he did not become involved in the investigation of the case and that he offered the Family help.

December 18, 2008 James Hoover Interview with OCSO and FBI
Page 2 Line: 1 Q. Okay. And Uh, some of the pictures you have on here uhm, you have some pictures of, of, of uh, George and Cindy inside of the church? . . . page 2 Line: 3 A. Uh, yes sir . . . page 2 Line: 4 Alright, or a video of George and Cindy . . . page 2 Line 5. Yeah (Affirmative) . . . page 2 Line: 6 . . . In a church? . . . page 2 Line: 7 Yeah (Affirmative) I was playing with a camera . . . page 2 Line: 19 Did they know you were video taping them at the time? . . . page 2 Line: 20 Uh, no sir . . . page 2 Line21 Okay. Who, uh, who are you working for . . . page 2 Line: 2 Nobody page 4 Line: 2 Alright what were you going to do with these photographs or this video tape? . . . page 4 Line: 4 I think earlier you said you were going to make some money . . . page 4 Line: 5 Yeah . . .

March 25, 2009 Deposition
page 17 Line 23: Q. How did you become involved in the investigation? A. I . . . page 18 Line 1: . . . didn’t become involved in the investigation of the case . . . page 18 Line 3: Q. I didn’t understand what you said . . . page 18 Line 4: I didn’t become involved in the investigation . . . page 18 Line 5: part of the case . . . page 18 Line 6: Q. What is your involvement In the case? . . . page 18 Line 14: . . . I just thought these people needed help. I’m going to go there and offer these people help as a citizen. I wasn’t the only person that did that, by the way, certainly.

For your information, D&A Investigations, Inc. have worked this Case since July 2008 and continue to do so under a Retainer Agreement with the Anthony Family. James Hoover is not affiliated, employed nor subcontracted by D&A nor has ever been. Furthermore, he never performed any investigations in connection with this Case for D&A or the Anthony Family. James Hoover “offered” to help the Family with security then engaged in unforgivable acts such as, secretly videotaping the Family and myself in an attempt make money. For the record, your allegations directed toward me and my Agency are false, baseless and have injected uninformed opinion’s to the public arena.

Kindest regards,
Dominic Casey, Private Investigator
D&A Investigations, Inc."

___________________

What do you make of this? Here Brad says that Hoover did work for Dominic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14HGg7krwkY

You just can't make this stuff up. I want no special deals given to Hoover or Dominic, this kind of behavior needs to be made an example of. Poor Caylee...who is looking out for her in this cast of characters? It is vile!!!

LambChop
02-28-2010, 10:08 AM
I don't think anyone disagrees he was speaking with the psychic on the phone. What the problem is when DC reached a certain point in his statement to LE, he suddenly asked to go off the record and has refused to speak since. That's the problem. If it was something as simple as getting information from a psychic there would be NOTHING to hide. It is what is hidden that SA wants to get out of him. There would be no confidentiality/priviledge issues with the psychic. JMO

Sun
02-28-2010, 10:22 AM
Here is an old, old news article, which pinpoints when DC may have first had any contact with Casey. Note: Another "agent" of the Baez Law Firm also appears to have met with Casey also.... anyone know if this "agent" is still under the employment of the Baez Law Firm?

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/14/parents_to_visit_casey_anthony.html

Private Investigators Visit Casey
Friday, August 15, 2008 5:26:38 PM

Jail records show on July 25, Casey got a visit from Edward Phlegar, who is an investigator for her attorney Jose Baez's law firm. Casey Dominic, another private investigator for Baez, visited Casey on Aug. 8.

strawberry
02-28-2010, 10:52 AM
Dominic is as much a stranger with the truth as is Ms. Anthony.

and Mrs. Anthony and Mr. Anthony and Mr. Anthony and Mr. Conway and Mr. Baez....

strawberry
02-28-2010, 10:56 AM
Here is an old, old news article, which pinpoints when DC may have first had any contact with Casey. Note: Another "agent" of the Baez Law Firm also appears to have met with Casey also.... anyone know if this "agent" is still under the employment of the Baez Law Firm?

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/14/parents_to_visit_casey_anthony.html

Private Investigators Visit Casey
Friday, August 15, 2008 5:26:38 PM

Jail records show on July 25, Casey got a visit from Edward Phlegar, who is an investigator for her attorney Jose Baez's law firm. Casey Dominic, another private investigator for Baez, visited Casey on Aug. 8.

In one of the jailhouse tapes CA tells KC that "Dom is a good one to talk to." Sorry, I don't have the specific one off hand.

Trapshooter
02-28-2010, 01:57 PM
He certainly is. LE cold busted him lying, under oath when they questioned him. We have the proof here in this letter that he lied to his PI board, ( well wither he lied to them or he lied to Brad..take your pick). He told Le he did not know that Hoover was taping. On the tape, Dom can be heard, several times speaking to Hoover, directing him even. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYweJpl7lwo



For your information, D&A Investigations, Inc. have worked this Case since July 2008 and continue to do so under a Retainer Agreement with the Anthony Family. James Hoover is not affiliated, employed nor subcontracted by D&A nor has ever been. Furthermore, he never performed any investigations in connection with this Case for D&A or the Anthony Family. James Hoover “offered” to help the Family with security then engaged in unforgivable acts such as, secretly videotaping the Family and myself in an attempt make money. For the record, your allegations directed toward me and my Agency are false, baseless and have injected uninformed opinion’s to the public arena.

Kindest regards,
Dominic Casey, Private Investigator
D&A Investigations, Inc."

___________________

What do you make of this? Here Brad says that Hoover did work for Dominic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14HGg7krwkY

You just can't make this stuff up. I want no special deals given to Hoover or Dominic, this kind of behavior needs to be made an example of. Poor Caylee...who is looking out for her in this cast of characters? It is vile!!!

Respectfully snipped:

The part bolded that James Hoover is not associated/employed by D&A...blah blah blah.....

Once again

ThommyMac
02-28-2010, 02:18 PM
If a "psychic" directed anyone within a half a kilometer of a body due to vibes or whatever, they would be shouting from the highest mountaintop and carrying a bass drum with them, beating it at every opportunity. :borgsmile:
Psychics track records (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1739/if-psychics-are-frauds-why-do-police-keep-asking-them-for-help)

Psychic Self-promotion (http://www.reall.org/newsletter/v06/n07/index.html)

I feel any talks with her were a CYA move.

sleutherontheside
02-28-2010, 02:53 PM
The chances that this "psychic" actually directed them there because of her abilities......are shall we say SLIM to none. Isn't she affiliated with some psychic TV or radio program? Wouldn't involvement in this case offer great PUBLICITY for her? This is all so transparent and I'm not even "psychic" .....just smarter than that.

RR0004
02-28-2010, 03:30 PM
Dominic is as much a stranger with the truth as is Ms. Anthony.
This guy is a little too slick for my liking. Whatever happened to the picture of Caylee taken up in Georgia?

panthera
02-28-2010, 03:46 PM
The chances that this "psychic" actually directed them there because of her abilities......are shall we say SLIM to none. Isn't she affiliated with some psychic TV or radio program? Wouldn't involvement in this case offer great PUBLICITY for her? This is all so transparent and I'm not even "psychic" .....just smarter than that.
You're right ~ this would be her claim to fame, so to speak.

ThommyMac
02-28-2010, 06:50 PM
You're right ~ this would be her claim to fame, so to speak.

That's a big part of the articles linked, besides the breakdown of some actual predictions. As expected, vague vague vague. Again, she would be crowing but I digress...
:sick:

Aedrys
02-28-2010, 08:40 PM
James Hoover “offered” to help the Family with security then engaged in unforgivable acts such as, secretly videotaping the Family and myself in an attempt make money. For the record, your allegations directed toward me and my Agency are false, baseless and have injected uninformed opinion’s to the public arena.


Respectfully snipped by me.

Wow. Kettle to pot: Do you realize how black you are?

So the acts done were UNFORGIVABLE? Is that DC's conscience showing? So making money off of the Caylee case is UNFORGIVABLE? Oh wait, only if it's not CA, GA or you making money, right?

I don't think the allegations are baseless at all. I think this is the closest DC is ever going to admit that what he did was wrong, only he's cloaking it as pointing the finger at Hoover only. Freudian slip there, saving it was unforgivable acts. Oh yes, someone is not feeling good about what he did. Not at all. You don't call acts unforgivable unless you really feel that way about them. And notice it's not until after the comma (which didn't need to be there in the first place. sorry, the grammarian in me never quits noticing) that an example is given to illustrate what he wants them to think he means. It's like when Casey says something, realizes what she said, and a second later adds something else to cover up what she really meant even though it's too late. Can you imagine ending DC's sentence without the example?

Really makes me wonder about what DC did end up telling SA...what did you find out, SA? What did you see, Strickland? THIS IS KILLING ME!!!!!

Tricia
02-28-2010, 08:46 PM
Guys,

I owe Spoiler and you all an apology.

Spoiler did contact me. I put the email in a folder and promptly forgot. I mean it went out of my brain.

Spoiler is who he says he is and he did contact me when asked to. This was all my fault.

Now, the reason Spoiler was banned was for threatening. We do not allow that on WS. One has nothing to do with the other.

The World According
02-28-2010, 08:58 PM
Thank you Tricia for your prompt response. I got a little scared when I read that...thank God I have never, ever seen anyone be mean and certainly not threatening here at W/S until that. That is why we all love it here, everyone is respectful. We are all here for justice for little Caylee.

Thank you for all that you and all the mods do!!! I am proud to be a member.

Tricia
02-28-2010, 09:10 PM
Thank you Tricia for your prompt response. I got a little scared when I read that...thank God I have never, ever seen anyone be mean and certainly not threatening here at W/S until that. That is why we all love it here, everyone is respectful. We are all here for justice for little Caylee.

Thank you for all that you and all the mods do!!! I am proud to be a member.

I really do feel bad about spoiler and forgetting the contact. I never screw up like that. Spoiler was right and I was wrong.

Also, it is not OK to call someone a LIAR LIAR. Totally against TOS. You can do the same thing without being inflamatory.

FORDANIEL
02-28-2010, 09:39 PM
Guys,

I owe Spoiler and you all an apology.

Spoiler did contact me. I put the email in a folder and promptly forgot. I mean it went out of my brain.

Spoiler is who he says he is and he did contact me when asked to. This was all my fault.

Now, the reason Spoiler was banned was for threatening. We do not allow that on WS. One has nothing to do with the other.

I think I missed something here,BIG TIME!!!

Kentjbkent
02-28-2010, 09:57 PM
I think I missed something here,BIG TIME!!!


I'll be happy to catch you up!

The owner and mods at WS make it a priority to make sure that all members are treated with the utmost respect by those who choose to participate in our forums. Tonight, they followed through in ensuring that this philosophy continues, and I think we are ALL very thankful they are diligent, timely and on top of their game!

Carry on!!!

:woohoo:





(PS...Tricia and mods :blowkiss:)

Tricia
02-28-2010, 10:10 PM
This is an interesting thread. Spoiler states his case and several people disagree.

http://magictalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=1020.0

Please watch the video. It is about halfway down the page and it is Bill Sheaffer. About 8 minutes long and very interesting.

sleutherontheside
02-28-2010, 10:14 PM
This is an interesting thread. Spoiler states his case and several people disagree.

http://magictalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=1020.0

Please watch the video. It is about halfway down the page and it is Bill Sheaffer. About 8 minutes long and very interesting.

That video is amazing. I think it just may give us some insight into what is brewing in good old Orlando. Bill is probably the best legal analyst I have ever seen. He has a great quote at the end........
......."This case has grown into a cottage industry."

Does that not sum it up?????

The World According
02-28-2010, 10:25 PM
Florida Criminal Defense Expert Mr. Shaeffer on Dominic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQcxlUjNZbc
"This case has grown into a cottage industry for exploiters , opportunist and scamers and they seem to be crawling out of the wood work and this is just another example of that" Mr. Sheaffer opined.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMIxHJc4Tow " What other explanation is there but we are looking at a staged performance? It was not smartly staged. Investigator Casey is either a very poor investigator or a bad actor, as the evidence mounts it appears he is just a bad actor.
The evidence is mounting that this is a staged event for the benefit of the defense." Mr. Sheaffer continued.

whiteangora
02-28-2010, 10:38 PM
That video is amazing. I think it just may give us some insight into what is brewing in good old Orlando. Bill is probably the best legal analyst I have ever seen. He has a great quote at the end........
......."This case has grown into a cottage industry."

Does that not sum it up?????

It's been awhile since I've watched that video. Gotta love Bill S.
He said, "Even Investigator Casey could figure out to use a throw away phone if he didn't want the records checked"........was he insinuating that DC is not the sharpest tool in the shed? haha
I wish Bill Sheaffer was posting here.

Trapshooter
02-28-2010, 10:41 PM
I really do feel bad about spoiler and forgetting the contact. I never screw up like that. Spoiler was right and I was wrong.

Also, it is not OK to call someone a LIAR LIAR. Totally against TOS. You can do the same thing without being inflamatory.

Tricia please accept my apology. :blushing::blushing::blushing:

I am the one that called Dominic a liar. IMO he was definitely lying in the portion I quoted. Again, I'm sorry, it won't happen again.

FORDANIEL
02-28-2010, 10:59 PM
This is an interesting thread. Spoiler states his case and several people disagree.

http://magictalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=1020.0

Please watch the video. It is about halfway down the page and it is Bill Sheaffer. About 8 minutes long and very interesting.

Got it ---Thank-you!

Kentjbkent
02-28-2010, 11:03 PM
tricia please accept my apology. :blushing::blushing::blushing:

I am the one that called dominic a liar. Imo he was definitely lying in the portion i quoted. Again, i'm sorry, it won't happen again.

;) ;) ;)

Leila
02-28-2010, 11:07 PM
If a "psychic" directed anyone within a half a kilometer of a body due to vibes or whatever, they would be shouting from the highest mountaintop and carrying a bass drum with them, beating it at every opportunity. :borgsmile:
Psychics track records (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1739/if-psychics-are-frauds-why-do-police-keep-asking-them-for-help)

Psychic Self-promotion (http://www.reall.org/newsletter/v06/n07/index.html)

I feel any talks with her were a CYA move.

I agree! This is somewhat off-topic, but it's to illustrate how terribly far off a psychic can be. Some years ago a psychic claimed that the missing 11-year-old boy from Missouri, Shawn Hornbeck, was dead and buried near a mound in a field. The investigators plowed up that whole field and mound searching for Shawn's remains.

Fast forward 4 years. A young boy, Ben Ownby, age 13 disappeared after getting off the school bus and walking a couple hundred feet down the road to his house. Another boy who had keen attention for detail remembered seeing a small pickup truck speed away down that road and was able to give LE a good description including a partial plate number and dents in the vehicle. With that vehicle description, LE traced it to a possible location in St. Louis. Within a week, Ben Ownby was found, living with his kidnapper, Michael Devlin in an apartment in St. Louis. When LE went into that apartment to rescue Ben, they found Shawn Hornbeck, who had been missing for 4 years!

Shawn was alive.............not buried near a mound in a field as that psychic said.

Leila
02-28-2010, 11:15 PM
Guys,

I owe Spoiler and you all an apology.

Spoiler did contact me. I put the email in a folder and promptly forgot. I mean it went out of my brain.

Spoiler is who he says he is and he did contact me when asked to. This was all my fault.

Now, the reason Spoiler was banned was for threatening. We do not allow that on WS. One has nothing to do with the other.

I somehow missed the whole thing with "spoiler", but wanted to say that it's only human nature to forget things. It just happens. To admit fault is admirable and shows honesty. :)

The World According
02-28-2010, 11:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmAJZfUy-Aw Seven minute mark!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GByE0htvH0w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONSa3XYnEWE

beach
02-28-2010, 11:33 PM
This is an interesting thread. Spoiler states his case and several people disagree.

http://magictalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=1020.0

Please watch the video. It is about halfway down the page and it is Bill Sheaffer. About 8 minutes long and very interesting.

Thanks so much for directions to that video! :blowkiss: I had never seen it before. It has taken me a year & a half to put up a sig line, but thanks to you and Sheaffer, I got the one I wanted. :highfive:

beach
03-01-2010, 12:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmAJZfUy-Aw Seven minute mark!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GByE0htvH0w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONSa3XYnEWE

I've only made it through the 1st video and ..... whoooweee! He is stumbling all over himself in that interrogation (?). When Linda Drane Burdick gets a hold of him, he is TOAST! ohhhh, don't anybody ask me for my first born tonight, because I just might trade her in to be a fly on the wall during that investigative interview! I'd almost rather have a ticket to that than the Super Bowl! lol


The cast of characters in this whole case is.....well, John Grisham couldn't dream up a better cast! Baez, GA, CA, DC, Hoover....it is like watching the Keystone Cops! lol To borrow a phrase from TWA, you just can't make this stuff up!

The World According
03-01-2010, 12:26 AM
Then you are gonna love this one....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKVRtpZCYzs

Bobbisangel
03-01-2010, 12:30 AM
Does anyone honestly think that a GL sent DC to the remain site through a psycic vision?

If GL did lead DC to the remain site which can be proven through phone records which I'm not sure it can be, then it is because Cindy somehow told GL where to send DC to, because Cindy herself admitted to sending DC there, also from what I remember Cindy sent GL a bear or something. If I was a gambling woman, I would bet that inside that bear there was a note with directions as well as payment.
HMMMMM that makes me wonder, I wonder if GL may have turned over whatever it was that led DC to the remain site, now that would definitely be damning.


Was the woman asked to see her phone records and she refused? If so, couldn't the Pros get a warrent so that they can see the records? Did the Pros get the phone records of the guy out in the woods that said he was talking to his sick daughter?

AZlawyer
03-01-2010, 12:34 AM
Was the woman asked to see her phone records and she refused? If so, couldn't the Pros get a warrent so that they can see the records? Did the Pros get the phone records of the guy out in the woods that said he was talking to his sick daughter?

The PI and the psychic voluntarily produced tiny snippets of phone records with portions redacted. The tiny snippets did show that they were on the phone to one another during the relevant time period. Both declined to provide any more records, but LE can get them through subpoenas (and may already have done so).

Bobbisangel
03-01-2010, 12:41 AM
The chances that this "psychic" actually directed them there because of her abilities......are shall we say SLIM to none. Isn't she affiliated with some psychic TV or radio program? Wouldn't involvement in this case offer great PUBLICITY for her? This is all so transparent and I'm not even "psychic" .....just smarter than that.


It seems to me if she even thought she knew where Caylee was she would have called LE and asked them to just go and check it out or she would have checked it out herself and then contacted LE. Why would she have called any of the players?

The World According
03-01-2010, 12:49 AM
It seems to me if she even thought she knew where Caylee was she would have called LE and asked them to just go and check it out or she would have checked it out herself and then contacted LE. Why would she have called any of the players?

Yes, why call the guy that is working for Casey? Didn't she also state that she "saw" how the baby was killed or who took her to the woods? It is interesting that we haven't seen her police interview and I am sure that one took place. She said she had been speaking to Dom over the course of November, and with Cindy several times, that the family had sent her things; Like Mr. Sheaffer said it would be of interest to study all of the phone calls from the beginning of contact between her and the players and all e mail and regular mail as well. Of course he could have talked to her on one phone, and others on his bat phones.
So we need THE WHOLE TRUTH from Dom. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpFaxOPQseM

Tricia
03-01-2010, 06:59 AM
The PI and the psychic voluntarily produced tiny snippets of phone records with portions redacted. The tiny snippets did show that they were on the phone to one another during the relevant time period. Both declined to provide any more records, but LE can get them through subpoenas (and may already have done so).

Help me here because I am late to all of this and trying to catch up.

There are phone records that show the psychic and Dominic were on the phone at the time the psychic claimed they were correct?

Yet, these same phone records have numbers redacted. Could it be they just didn't want those numbers put out there for public consumption? Trying to prevent someones number from becoming public?

I am certainly not trying to defend anyone here but just trying to understand what is going on.

LambChop
03-01-2010, 08:46 AM
From what I understand psychics can pick up on items owned/touched/held by the person being read. So it's quite possible GL was able to do this. However, CA sent her the bear and in her depo to SA CA leads them to believe she has never spoken to GL and not had any contact. This is a person who refused to give TM anything of Caylee's so the dogs could get her sent. That leaves a lot of questions unanswered, too many. How much did CA know and was GL picking up on that? The only way to get answers is try and link what we know together and see where it leads. One cannot expect sleuthers to go on "blind faith" it's just not in their genes. "Just the facts, mam, what we want are the facts." LOL JMO

sumbunny
03-01-2010, 09:51 AM
IMO, CA knew where Caylee's remains were. She sent the psychic a teddy bear, and a diagram. Dominic did the dirty work. I don't believe it was a coincidence that George and Cindy were at a meet and greet early that morning. It was a well devised plan.

Kentjbkent
03-01-2010, 10:06 AM
IMO, CA knew where Caylee's remains were. She sent the psychic a teddy bear, and a diagram. Dominic did the dirty work. I don't believe it was a coincidence that George and Cindy were at a meet and greet early that morning. It was a well devised plan.

I agree....and take into account that...

GL did NOT contact the Anthonys initially....GL was contacted BY someone related to the Anthonys.

CA stated she had never spoken to GL, so CA sent Caylee's bear on someone ELSE'S directive....

So a plausible theory would go something like this....

1. CA and/or possibly others suspect/know where Caylee remains are

2. They need a "backstory" to lean on should they be right on remains location but a "backstory" that will not be traced back to them directly.

3. Someone associated with CA has had previous dealings/relationship with GL and makes contact (and I am not convinced this particular person was DC.....but instead "fed" GL's name to him)

4. Instructs CA to send item of Caylee's so Psychic GL has prop to claim connection to "Caylee" (insert whoowhoo music here :dance:)...

5. Instructs GL to make contact with DC as soon as she receives item (bear).
(Phone records would then reflect that psychic initiated "first call"



(And let me add that I personally do not discount psychics at all, but I do NOT believe THIS particular PSYCHIC EVENT ever took place)

LiveLaughLuv
03-01-2010, 10:15 AM
Originally Posted by The World According
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmAJZfUy-Aw Seven minute mark!!!

Thank you so much TWA...

I find that first video very telling. KioMarie had her interveiw with the police in August. In this video at around the 2:54 mark, DC said he went there due to KioMaries statement in regards to the pet cemetary. So how does this now turn into the psychic sending him there??? Why in November did CA send DC there.

IIRC, RK also went by what KmC told the police. I find it odd that it took 3 months for DC to check into this. RK had been a bounty hunter and PI, so I understand his going back three times, his persistance did pay off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FpteGu0PL0
This video of CAs silence, looks heavily medicated, I believe coincides with DC, the woods and I feel he may have told CA, Caylee was indeed there (this date is November 22,2009)! This is the only time CA stood silent!

GA how can someone do anything wrong when they are assisting family in looking for a missing person...

Why don't they remember what they say and look at RK as the hero, not the villian, to go along with this ploy from the defense is abhorrant! :furious:
JMHO

Justice for Caylee

Searchfortruth
03-01-2010, 10:39 AM
Thanks World for the refresher on Dominic's interview. My favorite part is when they are asking Dominic about the criteria used by he, Cindy and George as to what tips were forwarded to LE and what tips were not. The Florida Mall tip of course was forwarded, because it supported an alive Caylee, while the "tip" that supports Caylee being dead and in the woods off of Suburban, was not. Dominic gave this tip so much credibility that he went there three times and searched, yet he didn't forward that tip to LE.

IMO, Dominic has little choice but to come clean with LE. After going back over this interview, I am convinced (more than ever) that he has already done that.

beach
03-01-2010, 11:19 AM
Thanks World for the refresher on Dominic's interview. My favorite part is when they are asking Dominic about the criteria used by he, Cindy and George as to what tips were forwarded to LE and what tips were not. The Florida Mall tip of course was forwarded, because it supported an alive Caylee, while the "tip" that supports Caylee being dead and in the woods off of Suburban, was not. Dominic gave this tip so much credibility that he went there three times and searched, yet he didn't forward that tip to LE.

IMO, Dominic has little choice but to come clean with LE. After going back over this interview, I am convinced (more than ever) that he has already done that.

oooh, that was my favorite part too! DC was stuttering all over himself. You could tell he anticipated certain questions and had rehearsed his answers, but when throw a curve ball....he just folded.

A big AMEN to your whole post! :clap:

Gma Kat
03-01-2010, 11:19 AM
It's pretty clear DC is not coming clean with LE, he seems to be constantly trying to think ahead with his answers and not directly answering anything LE is asking him. No wonder he fit in with the A's so well! I'm certain that LE and the SA have their work cut out for them in this case - it seems every statement from every player must be "translated" and that none of the players realizes how obvious their lies are! I mean half-truths and mistatements are! I'd be scared if I were DC, LE seems to have his #######!!!

Gma Kat
03-01-2010, 11:21 AM
oooh, that was my favorite part too! DC was stuttering all over himself. You could tell he anticipated certain questions and had rehearsed his answers, but when throw a curve ball....he just folded.

A big AMEN to your whole post! :clap:

I always get dizzy when my brain is shared! Ha ha! :crazy:

AZlawyer
03-01-2010, 11:22 AM
Help me here because I am late to all of this and trying to catch up.

There are phone records that show the psychic and Dominic were on the phone at the time the psychic claimed they were correct?

Yet, these same phone records have numbers redacted. Could it be they just didn't want those numbers put out there for public consumption? Trying to prevent someones number from becoming public?

I am certainly not trying to defend anyone here but just trying to understand what is going on.

Yes, the phone records are redacted in order to show only the calls between DC and GL (and I believe the one call between DC and his daughter). They very well might have been redacted for privacy purposes, but the problem is that such redactions mean that the phone records do not prove what they were supposed to prove. Ginny's home phone records are redacted to the point that they show no calls at all.

Redacted phone records:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11105504/Casey-Antony-Dominic-Casey-and-G-Lucas-cell-records

beach
03-01-2010, 11:22 AM
After listening to these audios and viewing the videos, I am 99.9% certain DC can not hang with Linda Drane Burdick and Jeff Ashton. He's playing out of his league in that ballpark.

Gma Kat
03-01-2010, 11:26 AM
Yes, the phone records are redacted in order to show only the calls between DC and GL (and I believe the one call between DC and his daughter). They very well might have been redacted for privacy purposes, but the problem is that such redactions mean that the phone records do not prove what they were supposed to prove. Ginny's home phone records are redacted to the point that they show no calls at all.

Redacted phone records:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11105504/Casey-Antony-Dominic-Casey-and-G-Lucas-cell-records

bbm: That's what I remember GL stating on the NG show, that the call somehow didnt' appear on her phone records....some excuse about how some of her calls don't always appear on her bill, etc., (eerily similar to something CA had said about phone records in an interview) so I was wondering if that had been cleared up by now. Thanks AZ!

AZlawyer
03-01-2010, 11:30 AM
bbm: That's what I remember GL stating on the NG show, that the call somehow didnt' appear on her phone records....some excuse about how some of her calls don't always appear on her bill, etc., (eerily similar to something CA had said about phone records in an interview) so I was wondering if that had been cleared up by now. Thanks AZ!

Here's the thing...sometimes if you have 2 phones and you switch the SIM card but the settings are wrong and the battery goes out while you're in a park and you drop the phone right when you get a call from a private number that can no longer be reached...the call will not appear on your bill. :innocent:

beach
03-01-2010, 11:32 AM
Here's the thing...sometimes if you have 2 phones and you switch the SIM card but the settings are wrong and the battery goes out while you're in a park and you drop the phone right when you get a call from a private number that can no longer be reached...the call will not appear on your bill. :innocent:

All I have to say is....I hope the jury can follow that about as well as I did and find it as credible. lol

notthatsmart
03-01-2010, 11:59 AM
Here's the thing...sometimes if you have 2 phones and you switch the SIM card but the settings are wrong and the battery goes out while you're in a park and you drop the phone right when you get a call from a private number that can no longer be reached...the call will not appear on your bill. :innocent:

Are you serious about this? Or are you just joking?

Gma Kat
03-01-2010, 12:01 PM
Here's the thing...sometimes if you have 2 phones and you switch the SIM card but the settings are wrong and the battery goes out while you're in a park and you drop the phone right when you get a call from a private number that can no longer be reached...the call will not appear on your bill. :innocent:

LOL! I think there's an app for that now!

Searchfortruth
03-01-2010, 12:12 PM
Here's the thing...sometimes if you have 2 phones and you switch the SIM card but the settings are wrong and the battery goes out while you're in a park and you drop the phone right when you get a call from a private number that can no longer be reached...the call will not appear on your bill. :innocent:Happens to me all the time, especially with bill collectors...JK.

LEE: So on the Black Jack, do you remember the phone number that the Black Jack was associated with?

CASEY: It was my same number; I just swapped the SIM card back and forth.

LEE: Ok, um…Here’s how these things work Casey, the contact information, the contact stuff is on your SIM card, so if you switched it back and forth.

CASEY: It doesn’t always save to the SIM card. You can sometimes save things to the SIM card or save it specifically to the phone, it just depends on the way the phone’s set up I thought about that too.

Love Lee's statement, "OK, um, here's how things work Casey". But, to Casey's credit she has "thought about that too". In other words, don't worry bro, I got this covered.

AZlawyer
03-01-2010, 12:18 PM
Are you serious about this? Or are you just joking?

Joking! :)

notthatsmart
03-01-2010, 12:22 PM
Happens to me all the time, especially with bill collectors...JK.

LEE: So on the Black Jack, do you remember the phone number that the Black Jack was associated with?

CASEY: It was my same number; I just swapped the SIM card back and forth.

LEE: Ok, um…Here’s how these things work Casey, the contact information, the contact stuff is on your SIM card, so if you switched it back and forth.

CASEY: It doesn’t always save to the SIM card. You can sometimes save things to the SIM card or save it specifically to the phone, it just depends on the way the phone’s set up I thought about that too.

Love Lee's statement, "OK, um, here's how things work Casey". But, to Casey's credit she has "thought about that too". In other words, don't worry bro, I got this covered.

Yeah Lee was wrong about that. If you were to save contact information while the sim card was out, it would default to save to the phone. I have a sim card slot, but no sim card, so everything saves to the phone.

The World According
03-01-2010, 12:24 PM
Here's the thing...sometimes if you have 2 phones and you switch the SIM card but the settings are wrong and the battery goes out while you're in a park and you drop the phone right when you get a call from a private number that can no longer be reached...the call will not appear on your bill. :innocent:

Somebody shoulda told Tiger!

beach
03-01-2010, 12:37 PM
Somebody shoulda told Tiger!

:floorlaugh:

LambChop
03-01-2010, 01:19 PM
Problem is KC said the Blackberry was provided to her by Universal a couple of weeks before her arrest, right? She had no job and clearly no money to buy a Blackberry. If she did have one she may have "borrowed" it from someone I would imagine. So if she had Nanny's number it would be saved on the card because she would not have had the Blackberry that long. JMO

Kentjbkent
03-01-2010, 01:29 PM
Here's the thing...sometimes if you have 2 phones and you switch the SIM card but the settings are wrong and the battery goes out while you're in a park and you drop the phone right when you get a call from a private number that can no longer be reached...the call will not appear on your bill. :innocent:

But you forgot to add that it also has to happen on a Tuesday, which must fall between the 12th and 16th of the current month, between the hours of 11:57 am and 12:18 pm...oh yeah, and it must be during a leap year!!! :dance:

nanny2five
03-01-2010, 02:07 PM
Happens to me all the time, especially with bill collectors...JK.

LEE: So on the Black Jack, do you remember the phone number that the Black Jack was associated with?

CASEY: It was my same number; I just swapped the SIM card back and forth.

LEE: Ok, um…Here’s how these things work Casey, the contact information, the contact stuff is on your SIM card, so if you switched it back and forth.

CASEY: It doesn’t always save to the SIM card. You can sometimes save things to the SIM card or save it specifically to the phone, it just depends on the way the phone’s set up I thought about that too.

Love Lee's statement, "OK, um, here's how things work Casey". But, to Casey's credit she has "thought about that too". In other words, don't worry bro, I got this covered.

bbm while not a kc supporter in any way shape or form, i have to say, shes right about this statement. in my experience with sim cards i always have to manually put my numbers in the new phone even when using the same sim. unfortunately for kc the cell carrier has info on her calls incoming and outgoing. and she "thought about that too"? in what context? its incredible how she manages to keep her family confused with her twisted up words that she somehow believes are "truths" especially la. i think he was trying to get the truth in this conversation, he probably learned the truth later but i dont think he knew it that day. it just sounds like he doesnt know how to challenge her on obvious lies. the rule was, imo, leave kc alone, dont question her because its ugly and we dont like ugly here on hopespring.

steadychick
03-01-2010, 03:01 PM
Here is the link for the interview K. Belich did over the phone with GL http://www.wftv.com/video/18477034/index.html Need some supersleuths to help me analyze it. At the beginning she states she identified the Gonzales house as a landmark, because "women go by landmarks and men by distances" or something to that effect???? From the house, she directs DC to look for a chain link fence and directs him to the site from there. She also states she guesses he took a pick or rod because she told him to poke the soil with something, being careful to not destroy the crime scene.

OK, this is where I start to see a disconnect. The tape shows us that the day DC was on the phone with GL was the first day he went out there (that we know of). He was in dress slacks and shoes, he DID NOT have a pick that day, and it appears he went straight to the woods, NOT the house. He may have gone to the house AFTER the woods on that first day, the 15th. IIRC, the second day,Nov 16, he was wearing clothes more appropriate for searching the woods, he did not appear to be on the phone, and THIS is the day he went to the house first and then to the woods. This second day is the day he had the metal rod.

Am I reading too much into these discrepancies? Was there ever any mention by Hoover that they went to the house first, before going to the woods, on the first day of searching, which is the day Hoover taped Dominic while he was on the cellphone?

Also, she states she had been emailing DC since August?? And she called his office at 3 a.m. and then his cell at 6 a.m. that morning??? Didn't DC say he was on his way to the site to check out the Kio story when he coincidentally got the call from GL to go there?? IIRC, that was later that 6 a.m. Do the phone records show a call from GL to DC's cell at 6? Do they show a 3 am call to his office?

She also states she first talked to DC on Nov 1st, when the "intermediary" connected her with DC, but had been emailing since August. Didn't DC say the 15th was the first time they spoke?

okiedokietoo
03-01-2010, 04:03 PM
Did DC find Caylee's remains during his searches? In his interview with LE he said he searched three (3) times - twice with JH and then again the next day and just stood on the side of the road...

October 6, 2008
http://www.wftv.com/news/17634763/detail.html
Posted: 1:12 pm EDT October 6, 2008Updated: 7:44 am EDT October 7, 2008
Casey Anthony Wants To Search For Caylee Without Public Knowing Details
"Casey's attorney hopes to convince Circuit Judge Stan Strickland on Friday to allow Casey to travel secretly to "places of interest" in the case to "assist with the search of missing child, Caylee Anthony." But Baez also asks in the motion that "due to the sensitive nature of this Motion, the Defense requests that the date and time of such travel not be public."

November 5, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/05/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Defense Memo Says Caylee`s Death Maybe Accidental
AND
"CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S MOTHER: George and I don`t believe that Caylee`s in the woods or -- you know, out there. We believe someone has her and that she`s alive.
Video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmGLTPZqBHU

November 15, 16, 17
Taped Transcript of Mr. Dominic Casey
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4782219/Casey-Anthony-PI-Jim-Hoover-Interview-Transcript-released-March-5

http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html
Posted: 5:55 pm EST January 7, 2009Updated: 7:57 am EST January 8, 2009
P.I. Says Partner Knew Where Caylee Anthony's Body Was
"Private investigator Jim Hoover and his attorney told only Eyewitness News on Wednesday afternoon that the Anthonys' private investigator, Dominic Casey, told Hoover on the morning of November 15 that Caylee was dead and that he knew where her body was.

November 17, 2008 3:23:34 PM (scroll down)
Spokeswoman: Anthonys Have Evidence Caylee Is Alive
"Spokeswoman Michelle Bart told News 13 Monday they have legitimate tips and evidence that Caylee is still alive."

November 20, 2008
http://www.wftv.com/news/18025838/detail.html
Statement From Mark NeJame Resigning As Anthonys' Attorney
The following is a statement released by Mark NeJame on November 20, 2008
(quoted from statement)
"The other condition I required was that I would have absolutely nothing to do with representing Casey or assisting in her legal defense."
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December 16, 2008
http://www.wftv.com/news/18288396/detail.html (scroll down)
Posted: 6:32 am EST December 16, 2008 Updated: 10:04 am EST December 18, 2008
ANTHONYS RELEASE STATEMENT ABOUT REMAINS (quoted from article)
"Conway said he plans to meet with the lead prosecutor and detectives later this week to ask for full immunity for the Anthonys"

January 7, 2009
http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html
Posted: 5:55 pm EST January 7, 2009Updated: 7:57 am EST January 8, 2009
ANTHONY FAMILY ATTORNEY MEETS WITH PROSECUTORS
(quoted from article)
"Conway also told Eyewitness News that he's been trying to get immunity for the George and Cindy Anthony."

January 12, 2009
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18460620/detail.html
POSTED: Monday, January 12, 2009 UPDATED: 2:09 pm EST January 12, 2009
Anthony Family: Former P.I. Trying To Sell Video Of Caylee Site
Man Says He Recorded Area Where Girl's Remains Found
Hoover claims that Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, 22, who remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in her daughter's death, knew Caylee was dead and the video shows that he was looking for the girl's remains.
Casey Anthony has denied the claim, and the attorney representing her parents said the family feels betrayed by Hoover.
"By virtue of my representation, it is my videotape, not Mr. Hoover's, and our position is that he has taken this tape from us and tried to shop it and tried to profit from a tragedy that he has no right to be involved in," Brad Conway said.
(above quoted from article)

LolaMoon08
03-01-2010, 05:20 PM
January 12, 2009
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18460620/detail.html
POSTED: Monday, January 12, 2009 UPDATED: 2:09 pm EST January 12, 2009
Anthony Family: Former P.I. Trying To Sell Video Of Caylee Site
Man Says He Recorded Area Where Girl's Remains Found
Hoover claims that Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, 22, who remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in her daughter's death, knew Caylee was dead and the video shows that he was looking for the girl's remains.
Casey Anthony has denied the claim, and the attorney representing her parents said the family feels betrayed by Hoover.
"By virtue of my representation, it is my videotape, not Mr. Hoover's, and our position is that he has taken this tape from us and tried to shop it and tried to profit from a tragedy that he has no right to be involved in," Brad Conway said.
(above quoted from article)

I'm confused? So, Brad thought that the tape belonged to him because he represents the Anthony's? He thinks that JH took the tape from them?

How could he even think that that is possible? It was JH's camera. It was JH's video tape that recorded it... so, that would make it JH's property. Right?

And, is Brad saying that he had physical possession of the tape only for JH to steal it? Because from what I understand, when DC came to JH for the tape, it was after Caylee's remains were found and JH lied and said he recorded over it.

If Brad has physical possession of that tape, then wouldn't it be safe to say that he had seen the video prior to Caylee's remains being found?

steadychick
03-01-2010, 10:09 PM
I'm confused? So, Brad thought that the tape belonged to him because he represents the Anthony's? He thinks that JH took the tape from them?

How could he even think that that is possible? It was JH's camera. It was JH's video tape that recorded it... so, that would make it JH's property. Right?

And, is Brad saying that he had physical possession of the tape only for JH to steal it? Because from what I understand, when DC came to JH for the tape, it was after Caylee's remains were found and JH lied and said he recorded over it.

If Brad has physical possession of that tape, then wouldn't it be safe to say that he had seen the video prior to Caylee's remains being found?

Brad denied ever having seen the tape when he presented it and it was seen by the public for the first time on Geraldo. Supposedly JH had tried to sell the tape to Geraldo, then somehow Brad came up with a copy and released it first. Huh????

Aedrys
03-02-2010, 12:54 AM
So is that like some work product thing? He goes out and videotapes the searches, and then they automatically become the property of the A's and their lawyer? WTF?

I am so very confused by this. What, the A's wanted to sell it first? I'm getting a big headache just trying to put this one together, owie...

sleutherontheside
03-02-2010, 01:23 AM
I am posting this with permission from a friend on another forum......All credit to them......they know who they are.......

Well, if we are going to play speculation on the questions, then I’ll state that I heartily agree that this has to do with DC, but I certainly have not, and will not, rule out that this is likely bad for JB, too.

Let’s start in November/08. (Dates may not be exact, but are close as all culled from online media publications)
———————————————————————————————————
* 6th? – 500 page doc dump, including George’s LE interview when he admits he was worried about the smell in Casey’s car. “I don’t want to believe that I have, have raised someone, and brought someone in this world that could do something to another person. I don’t want to believe that.”
That can’t have gone over well when Cindy watched/listened to those audio tapes
* 7th – Nejame takes on TES as clients.
Pizzing Cindy off mightily in the process
* 8th – 3,000+ Voluteers search for Caylee with TES
No cooperation from the A’s
* 10th – STATE requests gag order “The state wants to bar attorneys, Orange County sheriff’s investigators and the parents of the mother from making any statements to the media about the case against 22-year-old Casey Anthony.”
Later, CA would raise her hand at the hearing and ask to address the Judge. He shot her down. She wanted to ensure that she would not have to comply w/ gag order.
* 11th – LP & TES suspend searches for Caylee. LP holds prayer service for dead Caylee. Cindy claims her daughter is a victim – on GMA, no less, and blames it on the pizza – again.
* 12th – Cindy speaks out against LP holding the memorial prayer service. NOTE: she insists Caylee is alive. (This will be important later when discussing Lee depo)
* 13th – River search results released. Nothing in the recovered bags relate to Caylee.
* 14th – Casey files counter-suit against ZFG
* 15th – 16th – DC is videotaped searching the area near Hopespring. Fairly close to where Caylee’s remains were ultimately discovered. (NOTE: After the tapes come out, DC first says that he went on a hunch because Kio said they used to hang out back there by the school. Shortly afterwards he changes his story to say that the psychic lead him there. Further, the majority of his searching was near the old house, formerly owned by someone names Gonsales [diff spelling noted]. Also, After tapes released, Cindy herself says, “I sent people to the woods to look there back in November.)
* 17th – In Michelle Bart’s first significant move since taking over for Garrison as the A spokesperson, they tell the media outlets that the A Family will release a press statement this week explaining why they are searching for an alive Caylee. (NOTE: why then was DC sent to the woods poking and prodding looking for remains? [See above comment re: Cindy's proclaimation.])
* 18th – A’s claim live sighting of Caylee in Gainesville. In the same breath, they claim a sighting at a McD’s in Coral Springs
* 19th – State witness list released (quite interesting [odd] that it includes JB on it as a witness.) Gag order hearing postponed until Nov. 25th
* 20th – Nejames Resigns – alludes to differences of opinion w/ the A’s
20th – *** Officials Declare Caylee Dead. They will no longer follow-up on ‘live Caylee’ tips [like where the german shepard peed...] (Interesting timing pt. 1)
* 21st – Mall sighting photo released (interesting timing pt. 2). DC asks for anyone with information to contact D&A investigations. On the heels of his trip last week to find Caylee’s remains. (Or as Bill noted [paraphrased], ’stage this search outing to benefit the defense.’)
——————————————————————————————————————–
I’ll stop there so people can pause for thought. Why the full court Hail Mary play this week?
———————————————————————————————————————

Now, we could go on forever with this timeline, but here is a little task you can undertake for yourselves in relation to everything that went on in November 2008.

* This interview channel 13 did on Nov. 20th did with MB, and the A’s is significantly telling. This is the infamous one where Cindy looks very doped up, frail, and as if she’d received really, really bad news. http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=GeorgeAnthonyInterview_11202 0081037&cat=Local&title=George%20Anthony%20Interview

I speculate that some time in November 2008, the A’s not only learned with certainty that Caylee was deceased, I also surmise that they were informed that she was, indeed, “Close,” as KC had once stated to her concerned brother. As the shock set in, so too, did the devious attempts to spin.

I further guess that JB knew, too, and there is a lot more to this story, which is likely being investigated as we speak.

ynotdivein
03-02-2010, 01:46 AM
I am posting this with permission from a friend on another forum......All credit to them......they know who they are.......

Well, if we are going to play speculation on the questions, then I’ll state that I heartily agree that this has to do with DC, but I certainly have not, and will not, rule out that this is likely bad for JB, too.

Let’s start in November/08. (Dates may not be exact, but are close as all culled from online media publications)
———————————————————————————————————
* 6th? – 500 page doc dump, including George’s LE interview when he admits he was worried about the smell in Casey’s car. “I don’t want to believe that I have, have raised someone, and brought someone in this world that could do something to another person. I don’t want to believe that.”
That can’t have gone over well when Cindy watched/listened to those audio tapes
* 7th – Nejame takes on TES as clients.
Pizzing Cindy off mightily in the process
* 8th – 3,000+ Voluteers search for Caylee with TES
No cooperation from the A’s
* 10th – STATE requests gag order “The state wants to bar attorneys, Orange County sheriff’s investigators and the parents of the mother from making any statements to the media about the case against 22-year-old Casey Anthony.”
Later, CA would raise her hand at the hearing and ask to address the Judge. He shot her down. She wanted to ensure that she would not have to comply w/ gag order.
* 11th – LP & TES suspend searches for Caylee. LP holds prayer service for dead Caylee. Cindy claims her daughter is a victim – on GMA, no less, and blames it on the pizza – again.
* 12th – Cindy speaks out against LP holding the memorial prayer service. NOTE: she insists Caylee is alive. (This will be important later when discussing Lee depo)
* 13th – River search results released. Nothing in the recovered bags relate to Caylee.
* 14th – Casey files counter-suit against ZFG
* 15th – 16th – DC is videotaped searching the area near Hopespring. Fairly close to where Caylee’s remains were ultimately discovered. (NOTE: After the tapes come out, DC first says that he went on a hunch because Kio said they used to hang out back there by the school. Shortly afterwards he changes his story to say that the psychic lead him there. Further, the majority of his searching was near the old house, formerly owned by someone names Gonsales [diff spelling noted]. Also, After tapes released, Cindy herself says, “I sent people to the woods to look there back in November.)
* 17th – In Michelle Bart’s first significant move since taking over for Garrison as the A spokesperson, they tell the media outlets that the A Family will release a press statement this week explaining why they are searching for an alive Caylee. (NOTE: why then was DC sent to the woods poking and prodding looking for remains? [See above comment re: Cindy's proclaimation.])
* 18th – A’s claim live sighting of Caylee in Gainesville. In the same breath, they claim a sighting at a McD’s in Coral Springs
* 19th – State witness list released (quite interesting [odd] that it includes JB on it as a witness.) Gag order hearing postponed until Nov. 25th
* 20th – Nejames Resigns – alludes to differences of opinion w/ the A’s
20th – *** Officials Declare Caylee Dead. They will no longer follow-up on ‘live Caylee’ tips [like where the german shepard peed...] (Interesting timing pt. 1)
* 21st – Mall sighting photo released (interesting timing pt. 2). DC asks for anyone with information to contact D&A investigations. On the heels of his trip last week to find Caylee’s remains. (Or as Bill noted [paraphrased], ’stage this search outing to benefit the defense.’)
——————————————————————————————————————–
I’ll stop there so people can pause for thought. Why the full court Hail Mary play this week?
———————————————————————————————————————

Now, we could go on forever with this timeline, but here is a little task you can undertake for yourselves in relation to everything that went on in November 2008.

* This interview channel 13 did on Nov. 20th did with MB, and the A’s is significantly telling. This is the infamous one where Cindy looks very doped up, frail, and as if she’d received really, really bad news. http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=GeorgeAnthonyInterview_11202 0081037&cat=Local&title=George%20Anthony%20Interview

I speculate that some time in November 2008, the A’s not only learned with certainty that Caylee was deceased, I also surmise that they were informed that she was, indeed, “Close,” as KC had once stated to her concerned brother. As the shock set in, so too, did the devious attempts to spin.

I further guess that JB knew, too, and there is a lot more to this story, which is likely being investigated as we speak.

Swear to heaven SOTS, just when I think I have a handle on this stuff, you blow my socks off again. :blowkiss:

:clap::clap::clap:

The World According
03-02-2010, 11:31 AM
Mr. Dill: Do you know who paid Dominic?
Cindy: Paid Dominic for what?
seven minute mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDH3kk1qjw0

ROTFL!!! Now that is the 64 million dollar question.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3O6IQMO4pk

Chiquita71
03-02-2010, 01:27 PM
Thank you so much TWA...

I find that first video very telling. KioMarie had her interveiw with the police in August. In this video at around the 2:54 mark, DC said he went there due to KioMaries statement in regards to the pet cemetary. So how does this now turn into the psychic sending him there??? Why in November did CA send DC there.

IIRC, RK also went by what KmC told the police. I find it odd that it took 3 months for DC to check into this. RK had been a bounty hunter and PI, so I understand his going back three times, his persistance did pay off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FpteGu0PL0
This video of CAs silence, looks heavily medicated, I believe coincides with DC, the woods and I feel he may have told CA, Caylee was indeed there (this date is November 22,2009)! This is the only time CA stood silent!

GA how can someone do anything wrong when they are assisting family in looking for a missing person...

Why don't they remember what they say and look at RK as the hero, not the villian, to go along with this ploy from the defense is abhorrant! :furious:
JMHO

Justice for Caylee

Quote Respect LiveLaughLuv :)
BBM

LE questions DC re: DC's claim that the Kiomarie statement prompted him to search "where Casey hung out as a teen": which is basically how LE puts it to him. They ask and ask him why he(DC)decided what Kiomarie had said was worth looking into. They say, what does this have to do with a live Caylee? IIRC they say(paraphrased)"So, was Caylee supposed to have been playing in the place where Casey used to party when she was a teen?"

DC doesn't have much more to say about that except he wanted to check it out, and sticks to his guns about that. He says he was freaked out that the psychic was giving such detailed instructions, LE questions him for a long time re: why this "tip" of this psychic was deemed important enough to check out over hundreds of others he and Cindy and George were receiving. LE questions what criteria they were using to decide which tips where good. DC never really gives them any kind of straight answer other than the Kiomarie statement was first and he just wanted to check it out and then the psychic tip was deemed "good" by them and so he went there.

I want to say to everyone who has been posting on this thread over the last couple of days(I am just getting caught up), your posts are amazing and the information you have offered re: DC and JH has not gone over my head!

I did not know all of this regarding DC and JH until the last couple of weeks but after reading this thread, everything makes a lot of sense. I understand why WSers have had the theories re: DC, the video tape, Cindy and Caylee's remains: the information shows us they did know and have tried to cover up that fact. That is putting what they have done, mildy.

So...if LE has known what JH has said, and they obviously know what we know(and so much more)on WS and other sites and people who have been following this case: I don't know, what I mean is aren't all these people going to be in trouble?

From George and Cindy to JH and DC...JB and BC...they have purposely obstructed justice in the case of the murder of Caylee Anthony, yes?

Like TWA says: "you just can't make this stuff up."

...JS...

A_News_Junkie
03-02-2010, 02:00 PM
Does anyone know where the video telling that KioMarie told police about the 'hang out/pet cometary' is? Here is what I am wondering -- Kronk first calls tip line on 8/11, KioMarie tells LE on 7/19 about 'the zone' -- so was this public information by the time Kronk made his first call? It would have been by the time we know DC went there the first time, but what about Kronk?

beach
03-02-2010, 02:02 PM
I did not know all of this regarding DC and JH until the last couple of weeks but after reading this thread, everything makes a lot of sense. I understand why WSers have had the theories re: DC, the video tape, Cindy and Caylee's remains: the information shows us they did know and have tried to cover up that fact. That is putting what they have done, mildy.

So...if LE has known what JH has said, and they obviously know what we know(and so much more)on WS and other sites and people who have been following this case: I don't know, what I mean is aren't all these people going to be in trouble?
From George and Cindy to JH and DC...JB and BC...they have purposely obstructed justice in the case of the murder of Caylee Anthony, yes?

Like TWA says: "you just can't make this stuff up."

...JS...

respectfully snipped, BBM

I hate to sound cliche, but the fat lady hasn't sung quite yet. ;)

I go back to Yuri Melich and other LE and things they said in the very early parts of this case - they seemed to really encourage others to have empathy and respect the position of George & Cindy as grandparents who were grieving terribly. I don't think for one second that any of LE wants to have to arrest the grandparents of Caylee Anthony for obstruction of justice (or anything else for that matter). Time will tell, but I am thinking that GA & CA basically spit in the face of that good will and true to form, they handled things the way CA instructed. (Good gracious that woman is her own worst enemy! :banghead:) If any crimes were committed, it will depend on what crime was committed and how egregious the nature of the crime, if any of them are ever charged.

Intermezzo
03-02-2010, 02:22 PM
Does anyone know where the video telling that KioMarie told police about the 'hang out/pet cometary' is? Here is what I am wondering -- Kronk first calls tip line on 8/11, KioMarie tells LE on 7/19 about 'the zone' -- so was this public information by the time Kronk made his first call? It would have been by the time we know DC went there the first time, but what about Kronk?

BBM
Hmmm, not sure
http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/kiomarie-cruz-le-interview-transcript/
Kio's LE interview was conducted August 12, 2008 and it was reviewed and signed for accuracy by Dect. Wells on August 14, 2008

Will look for the date that it was released to the public and not sure when it was reported by the media about what she told LE about the hang out.

Intermezzo
03-02-2010, 02:40 PM
Quote Respect LiveLaughLuv :)
BBM

LE questions DC re: DC's claim that the Kiomarie statement prompted him to search "where Casey hung out as a teen": which is basically how LE puts it to him. They ask and ask him why he(DC)decided what Kiomarie had said was worth looking into. They say, what does this have to do with a live Caylee? IIRC they say(paraphrased)"So, was Caylee supposed to have been playing in the place where Casey used to party when she was a teen?"

DC doesn't have much more to say about that except he wanted to check it out, and sticks to his guns about that. He says he was freaked out that the psychic was giving such detailed instructions, LE questions him for a long time re: why this "tip" of this psychic was deemed important enough to check out over hundreds of others he and Cindy and George were receiving. LE questions what criteria they were using to decide which tips where good. DC never really gives them any kind of straight answer other than the Kiomarie statement was first and he just wanted to check it out and then the psychic tip was deemed "good" by them and so he went there.

I want to say to everyone who has been posting on this thread over the last couple of days(I am just getting caught up), your posts are amazing and the information you have offered re: DC and JH has not gone over my head!

I did not know all of this regarding DC and JH until the last couple of weeks but after reading this thread, everything makes a lot of sense. I understand why WSers have had the theories re: DC, the video tape, Cindy and Caylee's remains: the information shows us they did know and have tried to cover up that fact. That is putting what they have done, mildy.

So...if LE has known what JH has said, and they obviously know what we know(and so much more)on WS and other sites and people who have been following this case: I don't know, what I mean is aren't all these people going to be in trouble?

From George and Cindy to JH and DC...JB and BC...they have purposely obstructed justice in the case of the murder of Caylee Anthony, yes?

Like TWA says: "you just can't make this stuff up."

...JS...


BBM

http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/kiomarie-cruz-le-interview-transcript/

What confuses me about that statement is that Kio stated that the teen hiding spot was BEHIND Hidden Oaks Elementary...and, at least to me, the spot where Caylee's remains were found would not be considered to be behind the school.

The address to the school, the front of the school, is on Suburdan Dr. Suburban Dr is not behind the school.

Kio also describes about going to hiding spots across from the elementary school but then the fences went up, that it is secluded. Well, if you look at a map, yes there are woods across the school (facing South) and on the east side of the school.

To me, what Kio is describing is not the spot where Caylee's remains were found.

So this leads me to question DC's claim that he was checking out Kio's story when, IMO, she is not describing the area where DC went to search.

It doesn't add up to me.:confused:

:twocents:

A_News_Junkie
03-02-2010, 02:41 PM
BBM
Hmmm, not sure

Kio's LE interview was conducted August 12, 2008

Will look for the date that it was released to the public and not sure when it was reported by the media about what she told LE about the hang out.
Wait - I have this:
07/19/08


KioMarie


Tells LE about teen hang out (the zone) and speaks about Gonzalas the “van mom”


Met with Detective Wells by the school.
On the daisy chain chart I made - so are you saying the 7/19/08 date is wrong? I verified everything on my chart that is not noted as still in question - or are you saying she went in and sat down with them a second time on Aug 12?

logicalgirl
03-02-2010, 02:44 PM
Mr. Dill: Do you know who paid Dominic?
Cindy: Paid Dominic for what?
seven minute mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDH3kk1qjw0

ROTFL!!! Now that is the 64 million dollar question.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3O6IQMO4pk

Nope NWA - not even for you! Not gonna watch those interviews ever again - shudder!

Intermezzo
03-02-2010, 02:49 PM
Wait - I have this:
07/19/08


KioMarie


Tells LE about teen hang out (the zone) and speaks about Gonzalas the “van mom”


Met with Detective Wells by the school.
On the daisy chain chart I made - so are you saying the 7/19/08 date is wrong? I verified everything on my chart that is not noted as still in question - or are you saying she went in and sat down with them a second time on Aug 12?

You are probably correct about the July 19 date, Kio may have spoken unofficially to LE on that day.

But, Kio's official/statement interview was August 12,2008, Which was reviewed and signed for accuracy by Dect. Wells on August 14, 2008 and IIRC it was not released until December 2008.

Did Kio go to the media to tell everyone she spoke to LE about the hiding spot on July 19? I don't know, don't remember.

UPDATE..found this article http://www.mahalo.com/kiomarie-torres-cruz
Cruz's Story
Cruz told her story to police investigators on July 19 and July 20, 2008. She contacted police to tell them that she had spoken with Casey Anthony in mid-July, and had heard a girl's voice in the background. Cruz later stated that she was mistaken and had spoken with a friend named Casey Williams, not Casey Anthony.SpoiledMom: Transcript of Kiomarie J Torrez Cruz... (December 17, 2008)2

Cruz then met with an investigator at Hidden Oak Elementary, where she and Casey Anthony had gone to school. Cruz showed the investigator around the area and pointed out places where they spent a lot of time when children.SpoiledMom: Transcript of Kiomarie J Torrez Cruz... (December 17, 2008)2 "

Chiquita71
03-02-2010, 02:53 PM
BBM

http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/kiomarie-cruz-le-interview-transcript/

What confuses me about that statement is that Kio stated that the teen hiding spot was BEHIND Hidden Oaks Elementary...and, at least to me, the spot where Caylee would not be considered to be behind the school.

The address to the school, the front of the school, is on Suburdan Dr. Suburban Dr is not behind the school.

Kio also describes about going to hiding spots across from the elementary school but then the fences went up, that it is secluded. Well, if you look at a map, yes there are woods across the school (facing South) and on the east side of the school.

To me, what Kio is describing is not the spot where Caylee's remains were found.

So this leads me to question DC's claim that he was checking out Kio's story when, IMO, she is not describing the area where DC went to search.

It doesn't add up to me.:confused:

:twocents:

Quote Respect Intermezzo :)

ITA. I think the Kiomarie information does show a different place. They hung out behind the school and that is where Kiomarie(it was her mom's suggestion per Kiomarie)said people should look. Where DC was looking/video taping and where Caylee's remains were eventually recovered cannot be considered the same place that Kiomarie was speaking of: IMHO.

I think this was all Cindy's doing. She already had the information where Caylee was: where she was eventually found. Cindy had read, heard, whatever what Kio was saying and used it to tell DC to go to that location. So, he would have a reason why he was there, if he got "caught." We can see that the Kiomarie info is sketchy on it's own...but what if there was also a psychic that was leading DC there! So, Cindy set that up too...

Hence: DC ending up at the remains site, worried and freaked out that he was going to find (a body), an actual body...and why he has such a lame story for why he was where he was: video taping.

ETA: Reading between the lines of DC interview with LE, they are concerned why DC was sent to a place that seemed like he was looking for a "dead" Caylee. They questioned him as to what he thought a "live" Caylee would be doing in any wooded spot.

...JS...

A_News_Junkie
03-02-2010, 03:00 PM
Kio's audio: http://cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/KiomarieCruz08-069208.wma

So again, would Kronk have had this information by Aug 12 to follow a hunch?

Intermezzo
03-02-2010, 03:05 PM
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ITA. I think the Kiomarie information does show a different place. They hung out behind the school and that is where Kiomarie(it was her mom's suggestion per Kiomarie)said people should look. Where DC was looking/video taping and where Caylee's remains were eventually recovered cannot be considered the same place that Kiomarie was speaking of: IMHO.

I think this was all Cindy's doing. She already had the information where Caylee was: where she was eventually found. Cindy had read, heard, whatever what Kio was saying and used it to tell DC to go to that location. So, he would have a reason why he was there, if he got "caught." We can see that the Kiomarie info is sketchy on it's own...but what if there was also a psychic that was leading DC there! So, Cindy set that up too...

Hence: DC ending up at the remains site, worried and freaked out that he was going to find (a body), an actual body...and why he has such a lame story for why he was where he was: video taping.

ETA: Reading between the lines of DC interview with LE, they are concerned why DC was sent to a place that seemed like he was looking for a "dead" Caylee. They questioned him as to what he thought a "live" Caylee would be doing in any wooded spot.

...JS...

Thanks Chiquita
I agree as well.
Something is terribly off, wrong..etc..with DC's account of not only WHY he was there( poking around for a live Caylee???) but also WHO sent him and he did not go to that specific spot based on Kio's description of the hidding spot.IMO

Reagan
03-02-2010, 03:22 PM
When was KC first released on bond? Kio's statements were already public knowledge when she got out because she was asking Rob D. to find some dirt on Kio to discredit her.

So it's all around that time frame for sure, but the details are hazy for me too.
I'm so thankful for you guys who pour over the details over and over, making sure we haven't missed a thing.

P.S Why it would take DC that many months to go see if that was a "hang out"? Either he's an incredibly poor PI or a very bad liar. I'm gonna go with both.

Intermezzo
03-02-2010, 03:24 PM
Kio's audio: http://cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/KiomarieCruz08-069208.wma

So again, would Kronk have had this information by Aug 12 to follow a hunch?

I am having trouble, taking too long to, download..but if this is audio from her interview in August I don't think it was released to the public until Dec 2008

The incident report could have been released sooner but I have been unable to locate a news story indicating to us when it was released and if Kronk could have used this info. Sorry.

What I found in the Official Documents Thread here (thanks to AngelWhoCares) is that on Sept 1 2008 there is a link to discover documents on docstoc and in Document 1 pages 85-92 there is included an Incident Report and Narrative from Kio. Still waiting for it to download, so I haven't been able to read it.

The World According
03-02-2010, 03:26 PM
BBM

http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/kiomarie-cruz-le-interview-transcript/

What confuses me about that statement is that Kio stated that the teen hiding spot was BEHIND Hidden Oaks Elementary...and, at least to me, the spot where Caylee's remains were found would not be considered to be behind the school.

The address to the school, the front of the school, is on Suburdan Dr. Suburban Dr is not behind the school.

Kio also describes about going to hiding spots across from the elementary school but then the fences went up, that it is secluded. Well, if you look at a map, yes there are woods across the school (facing South) and on the east side of the school.

To me, what Kio is describing is not the spot where Caylee's remains were found.

So this leads me to question DC's claim that he was checking out Kio's story when, IMO, she is not describing the area where DC went to search.

It doesn't add up to me.:confused:

:twocents:


Seriously though, Kio's story was out in the NE before or after the police interviewed her? So, she liked to talked to other news agencies as well, I would guess pretty early on.

www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/65940 - Cached

Intermezzo
03-02-2010, 03:29 PM
When was KC first released on bond? Kio's statements were already public knowledge when she got out because she was asking Rob D. to find some dirt on Kio to discredit her.

So it's all around that time frame for sure, but the details are hazy for me too.
I'm so thankful for you guys who pour over the details over and over, making sure we haven't missed a thing.

P.S Why it would take DC that many months to go see if that was a "hang out"? Either he's an incredibly poor PI or a very bad liar. I'm gonna go with both.

I am thinking Kio spoke to reporters and that is how we found out, that or her Incident Report and Narrative was released sooner.
I too believe Kio spoke to LE early on and perhaps even spoke to the media right after and told them about the spot and Casey calling her and about Casey wanting her to adopt Caylee. I just haven't found a media link etc.. how the info got out before she gave her official LE interview in August.

Intermezzo
03-02-2010, 03:33 PM
Of course it is not the same area, at all.

Exactly....let's see how we can say this diplomatically...that leaves only two possibilities

either he lied
or I am wrong about the number of possibilities.

Seriously though, Kio's story was out in the NE or some "magazine" before or after the police interviewed her?

After her LE interview.
IIRC her LE interview transcript was released in early-mid December and also in December, around the 18th, her NE interview was released

A_News_Junkie
03-02-2010, 03:34 PM
I am having trouble, taking too long to, download..but if this is audio from her interview in August I don't think it was released to the public until Dec 2008

The incident report could have been released sooner but I have been unable to locate a news story indicating to us when it was released and if Kronk could have used this info. Sorry.

What I found in the Official Documents Thread here (thanks to AngelWhoCares) is that on Sept 1 2008 there is a link to discover documents on docstoc and in Document 1 pages 85-92 there is included an Incident Report and Narrative from Kio. Still waiting for it to download, so I haven't been able to read it.

Officer Wells said it JULY 19th 2153 hours in this audio

Intermezzo
03-02-2010, 03:38 PM
Officer Wells said it JULY 19th 2153 hours in this audio

So I speculate this is the audio to the Incident/Narrative Report?

The link is in the Official Documents Thread posted by Angel Who Cares on Sept 1, 2008..Document 1 Pages 85-92
It's a large document and I am still waiting for all the pages to download.

ZsaZsa
03-02-2010, 04:02 PM
I am thinking Kio spoke to reporters and that is how we found out, that or her Incident Report and Narrative was released sooner.
I too believe Kio spoke to LE early on and perhaps even spoke to the media right after and told them about the spot and Casey calling her and about Casey wanting her to adopt Caylee. I just haven't found a media link etc.. how the info got out before she gave her official LE interview in August.

I don't know if you have seen this video before, it is dated 7/22/08 - where the Anthony neighbors talk to LE about Kio's advice to look on Suburban Drive. Mr Dickens was so concerned that he called Brian Burner's house and got the direct phone number for LE so that they could follow up- which they did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk&feature=PlayList&p=36B3E53DBDA1C2F2&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=36

The World According
03-02-2010, 04:17 PM
The only good thing about this trial dragging out so long is that there is lots of time to compare and contrast all the various and sundry statements folks have made with the facts. By the time the trial gets here in a year or two the truth will all have been revealed.

TotallyObsessed
03-02-2010, 04:35 PM
IIRC - CA actually said something to KC about Kio in one of the jailhouse tapes. Don't have a clue which visit it was though. Sorry. KC told her that they weren't even good friends or something like that. So CA was on to KIO early on.

Nore
03-02-2010, 06:25 PM
Nope NWA - not even for you! Not gonna watch those interviews ever again - shudder!

---------------------------------
Hi Logicalgirl, did you ever listen to "A scary performance"? it's sidlined on the depo tapes.I have never heard that before.It also states Nancy G, but it is not her voice,dont know who it is. Interesting!!
P.S. CA is not on the tape,nor GA..

logicalgirl
03-02-2010, 06:30 PM
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Hi Logicalgirl, did you ever listen to "A scary performance"? it's sidlined on the depo tapes.I have never heard that before.It also states Nancy G, but it is not her voice,dont know who it is. Interesting!!
P.S. CA is not on the tape,nor GA..

Thanks Nore, no I don't think I have but as long as you promise me she in the green sweater who shall not be named isn't in it - I'll look it up and watch - LOL.

PS the hardest thing I've ever done is watch those depo tapes over and over again to make sure I got it all, and I made a promise to myself........

AZlawyer
03-02-2010, 07:31 PM
From the very old WS thread "Kiomarie," it appears we knew on August 26-27, 2008 that Kiomarie took police to the area near the school and suggested it was a good place to search because she and Casey hung out there as kids.

BlOnDe_GuRrL
03-02-2010, 07:34 PM
I don't remember seeing this anywhere..
Have we been able to verify WHO Dominic was on the phone with the day he was traipsing thru the woods with the metal prod? (on the video)

AZlawyer
03-02-2010, 07:38 PM
I don't remember seeing this anywhere..
Have we been able to verify WHO Dominic was on the phone with the day he was traipsing thru the woods with the metal prod? (on the video)

DC and the "psychic" released little bits of their phone records, which demonstrate that they were indeed on the phone together during parts of the relevant time period:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11105504/Casey-Antony-Dominic-Casey-and-G-Lucas-cell-records

okiedokietoo
03-02-2010, 07:40 PM
Kio's audio: http://cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/KiomarieCruz08-069208.wma

So again, would Kronk have had this information by Aug 12 to follow a hunch?

I think maybe he just had a hunch.

A_News_Junkie
03-02-2010, 07:58 PM
I don't know if you have seen this video before, it is dated 7/22/08 - where the Anthony neighbors talk to LE about Kio's advice to look on Suburban Drive. Mr Dickens was so concerned that he called Brian Burner's house and got the direct phone number for LE so that they could follow up- which they did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk&feature=PlayList&p=36B3E53DBDA1C2F2&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=36
ZsaZsa - what date was this video released to the public?

THank you for putting it up here!

sharpar
03-02-2010, 07:58 PM
I think this whole DC Hoover thing is another failed defense attempt to prove KC 's innocence and the entire team was involved moving around the smoke and mirrors.
A misdirection that has backfired.

The World According
03-02-2010, 08:05 PM
I don't remember seeing this anywhere..
Have we been able to verify WHO Dominic was on the phone with the day he was traipsing thru the woods with the metal prod? (on the video)

Think of a parent asking teenager where they were that day. The teenager may say Johnny and he stopped at Johnny's house to pick up some stuff they needed for their homework project, to explain why he is an hour and half late. That may be true, only he forgot to mention that on the way to Johnny's they stopped in the park and smoked a couple of joints.


When Mr. Casey was asked who he was speaking to on the phone that day ...he answered his ill daughter, and stopped there. Later he changed that to add Genny. Oh my. Red flag. He told LE he was going to those woods to verify if that was a place Casey may have hung out as a teen....this is an unpaid PI, supposedly searching for a Zanny the Nanny...what would where Casey partied six years ago, before the baby was born, have to do with the price of tea in China? He told Mr. Hoover Caylee is dead and they were going to get her. First Dom said it was a tip, then a vision. By the way, mom , pop and Dom called in every wild tip from Mars they were given...but not the one that indicated the baby was dead and detailed the location of the body!!!!!! LE and the FBI spent likley hundreds of thousands of dollars searching down all these tips, all across the country, month after month after month. so why was this tip not called in by Dom? There is no innocuous explanation. Then Geraldo says Mr. Casey was sent to those woods with maps and graphs while Brad is on the show ( and this is important....Brad does not correct him ). He said he had no idea that Hoover was taping him. He can be clearly heard on the tape directing Mr. Hoover. Dom has said over and over again Hoover did not work for him. Later Brad claims that Hoover did work for Dom.. Are we detecting a pattern yet? My very favorite, hands down is.....mom and pop feign shock and claim they had no idea Dom went to those woods, the trouble is...Brad goes on Geraldo stating the tape belongs to them, it is part of THEIR INVESTIGATION. Moreover, Cindy states in front of two detectives that she had already sent someone to those woods in November...guess what month Dom was there. Are we there yet? Mr. Casey has stalled and delayed and fought in court for over a year now to avoid testifying. Yes....we have arrived.

Like the teenager and the walk home, Dom and Genny released a redacted short record from one day. That will hardly suffice.
This is the problem we have with seeing a release of Dom and Ginny's records from that day only.
1. We know they spoke on many other days than just the search day.
2. Dom had more than one phone he was using while in those woods.
3. Dom talked to others that then talked to Genny so we have questions about the nature of those conversations and relationships.
4. Genny is said to have been sent or given some items of Caylee's , we need to know the circumstances surrounding that, and see any and all correspondence.

There is such a thing as lying by omission. If you do not believe me...ask the federal officer what they would call Cindy giving the wrong hair brush for Caylee.

Have faith my friends. Mrs. Drane -Burdick wasted no time educating ( or as Mr. Dill would say..."edifying" ) Mr. Casey about what she expects when she has the court reporter swear him in. The same will be true with what's her name with the magic visions. What is that old Abe Lincoln saying..."You can fool some of the people...some of the time....but you cannot fool all of the people, all the time". The jig is up.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14HGg7krwkY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYweJpl7lwo

A_News_Junkie
03-02-2010, 08:08 PM
---------------------------------
Hi Logicalgirl, did you ever listen to "A scary performance"? it's sidlined on the depo tapes.I have never heard that before.It also states Nancy G, but it is not her voice,dont know who it is. Interesting!!
P.S. CA is not on the tape,nor GA..

What??????? Link me please? I don't think I have seen a "scary performance" that didn't involve a green sweater either.

A_News_Junkie
03-02-2010, 08:12 PM
From the very old WS thread "Kiomarie," it appears we knew on August 26-27, 2008 that Kiomarie took police to the area near the school and suggested it was a good place to search because she and Casey hung out there as kids.

THANK YOU - that is what I wanted to know. If anyone sees a date earlier than that, please post it.
Who said Kronk stated he went there due to KioMarie's tip? Have we verified that? I am kinda under the weather, so not thinking clear - but I don't remember Kronk saying that. If he did -- of course the book deal question is: How did he get that information before it was released to the public.

BlOnDe_GuRrL
03-02-2010, 08:30 PM
Thanks TWA. I had forgotten all about that other cell phone he had.
I'm extremely busy and don't get to follow Caylee & Haleigh as much as I used to :( and I find myself forgetting a lot of important details about the case :(

I wish Nancy would do some refresher shows every now and then to keep it fresh in everyone's minds.

RR0004
03-02-2010, 08:34 PM
IIRC - CA actually said something to KC about Kio in one of the jailhouse tapes. Don't have a clue which visit it was though. Sorry. KC told her that they weren't even good friends or something like that. So CA was on to KIO early on.
Wasn't Kio the one whose boyfriend refused to hand over phone records? The one who was supposed to come back in for another interview...then never showed? Or was that someone else?

AZlawyer
03-02-2010, 09:17 PM
Wasn't Kio the one whose boyfriend refused to hand over phone records? The one who was supposed to come back in for another interview...then never showed? Or was that someone else?

IIRC, Kiomarie was the one whose boyfriend didn't want to give up his phone records. But Katie Sue R was the one who was supposed to come in for an interview and never showed.

cloud9
03-02-2010, 11:31 PM
Think of a parent asking teenager where they were that day. The teenager may say Johnny and he stopped at Johnny's house to pick up some stuff they needed for their homework project, to explain why he is an hour and half late. That may be true, only he forgot to mention that on the way to Johnny's they stopped in the park and smoked a couple of joints.


When Mr. Casey was asked who he was speaking to on the phone that day ...he answered his ill daughter, and stopped there. Later he changed that to add Genny. Oh my. Red flag. He told LE he was going to those woods to verify if that was a place Casey may have hung out as a teen....this is an unpaid PI, supposedly searching for a Zanny the Nanny...what would where Casey partied six years ago, before the baby was born, have to do with the price of tea in China? He told Mr. Hoover Caylee is dead and they were going to get her. First Dom said it was a tip, then a vision. By the way, mom , pop and Dom called in every wild tip from Mars they were given...but not the one that indicated the baby was dead and detailed the location of the body!!!!!! LE and the FBI spent likley hundreds of thousands of dollars searching down all these tips, all across the country, month after month after month. so why was this tip not called in by Dom? There is no innocuous explanation. Then Geraldo says Mr. Casey was sent to those woods with maps and graphs while Brad is on the show ( and this is important....Brad does not correct him ). He said he had no idea that Hoover was taping him. He can be clearly heard on the tape directing Mr. Hoover. Dom has said over and over again Hoover did not work for him. Later Brad claims that Hoover did work for Dom.. Are we detecting a pattern yet? My very favorite, hands down is.....mom and pop feign shock and claim they had no idea Dom went to those woods, the trouble is...Brad goes on Geraldo stating the tape belongs to them, it is part of THEIR INVESTIGATION. Moreover, Cindy states in front of two detectives that she had already sent someone to those woods in November...guess what month Dom was there. Are we there yet? Mr. Casey has stalled and delayed and fought in court for over a year now to avoid testifying. Yes....we have arrived.

Like the teenager and the walk home, Dom and Genny released a redacted short record from one day. That will hardly suffice.
This is the problem we have with seeing a release of Dom and Ginny's records from that day only.
1. We know they spoke on many other days than just the search day.
2. Dom had more than one phone he was using while in those woods.
3. Dom talked to others that then talked to Genny so we have questions about the nature of those conversations and relationships.
4. Genny is said to have been sent or given some items of Caylee's , we need to know the circumstances surrounding that, and see any and all correspondence.

There is such a thing as lying by omission. If you do not believe me...ask the federal officer what they would call Cindy giving the wrong hair brush for Caylee.

Have faith my friends. Mrs. Drane -Burdick wasted no time educating ( or as Mr. Dill would say..."edifying" ) Mr. Casey about what she expects when she has the court reporter swear him in. The same will be true with what's her name with the magic visions. What is that old Abe Lincoln saying..."You can fool some of the people...some of the time....but you cannot fool all of the people, all the time". The jig is up.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14HGg7krwkY

The World According,

EXTREMELY well said!!! :)

:woohoo:

okiedokietoo
03-03-2010, 12:22 AM
THANK YOU - that is what I wanted to know. If anyone sees a date earlier than that, please post it.
Who said Kronk stated he went there due to KioMarie's tip? Have we verified that? I am kinda under the weather, so not thinking clear - but I don't remember Kronk saying that. If he did -- of course the book deal question is: How did he get that information before it was released to the public.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html
TAPED TRANSCRIPT OF ROY KRONK
Page 2 Line 18
YM: So, we'll go back to August 11th. When you
first went to Suburban Drive on August 11th, is
this uh, how, had you been on that street before?
RK: No.
YM: Okay. So that was the first time you've been
on that street, Suburban Drive?
RK: It was the first time I was ever assigned
that route. I didn't even cover that route in
training.

Page 3 Line 10
RK: Yeah (affirmative), my theory.
YM: Okay. Which was?
RK: My theory, well real simple, was that she
kept saying that she was close. When stopped there,
which was the first time I had ever been there, I
looked. There is swamp on one side of the road.
There is swamp on another side of the road, okay.
You always get decay coming out of swamps. There
was a school at the end. It was August. There
was no school going on. And it just made sense
to me that if you were going to get rid of something
like that, well if you would put it in a place
where you knew there would be very little traffic
whatsoever because the only people going back and
forth was, you know, people going down to do
maintenance on the school and all that other stuff.
People like myself who were there for a, a specific
reason.
-------------------
IMO - A Hunch, a Theory, which manifested after minutes or hours of speculating

So did DC have a theory? Maybe, but CA admitted that she sent someone there. RK didn't know CA. CA didn't know RK. DC knew CA. CA knew DC. Maybe she (also) sent someone else out there...

The World According
03-03-2010, 01:14 AM
This PI and this judge agree this is hinky times ten http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYweJpl7lwo

A_News_Junkie
03-03-2010, 01:21 AM
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html
TAPED TRANSCRIPT OF ROY KRONK
Page 2 Line 18
YM: So, we'll go back to August 11th. When you
first went to Suburban Drive on August 11th, is
this uh, how, had you been on that street before?
RK: No.
YM: Okay. So that was the first time you've been
on that street, Suburban Drive?
RK: It was the first time I was ever assigned
that route. I didn't even cover that route in
training.

Page 3 Line 10
RK: Yeah (affirmative), my theory.
YM: Okay. Which was?
RK: My theory, well real simple, was that she
kept saying that she was close. When stopped there,
which was the first time I had ever been there, I
looked. There is swamp on one side of the road.
There is swamp on another side of the road, okay.
You always get decay coming out of swamps. There
was a school at the end. It was August. There
was no school going on. And it just made sense
to me that if you were going to get rid of something
like that, well if you would put it in a place
where you knew there would be very little traffic
whatsoever because the only people going back and
forth was, you know, people going down to do
maintenance on the school and all that other stuff.
People like myself who were there for a, a specific
reason.
-------------------
IMO - A Hunch, a Theory, which manifested after minutes or hours of speculating

So did DC have a theory? Maybe, but CA admitted that she sent someone there. RK didn't know CA. CA didn't know RK. DC knew CA. CA knew DC. Maybe she (also) sent someone else out there...

THANK YOU -- someone said earlier that RK had mentioned the Kio story and what you have above was my memory - but I am really sick today, so I was doubting myself and for a moment was ready to reel him in if he said that!

DC --- my hook is loaded and ready to pull you and cindy in!

I have no doubt that DC was not just there three times just because. I still find it 'hinky' about RK but not in a direct way like DC. At least the Kio connection to RK is settled! Hurry up state - you are killing us here and tell us what you have!

steadychick
03-03-2010, 10:18 AM
Think of a parent asking teenager where they were that day. The teenager may say Johnny and he stopped at Johnny's house to pick up some stuff they needed for their homework project, to explain why he is an hour and half late. That may be true, only he forgot to mention that on the way to Johnny's they stopped in the park and smoked a couple of joints.


When Mr. Casey was asked who he was speaking to on the phone that day ...he answered his ill daughter, and stopped there. Later he changed that to add Genny. Oh my. Red flag. He told LE he was going to those woods to verify if that was a place Casey may have hung out as a teen....this is an unpaid PI, supposedly searching for a Zanny the Nanny...what would where Casey partied six years ago, before the baby was born, have to do with the price of tea in China? He told Mr. Hoover Caylee is dead and they were going to get her. First Dom said it was a tip, then a vision. By the way, mom , pop and Dom called in every wild tip from Mars they were given...but not the one that indicated the baby was dead and detailed the location of the body!!!!!! LE and the FBI spent likley hundreds of thousands of dollars searching down all these tips, all across the country, month after month after month. so why was this tip not called in by Dom? There is no innocuous explanation. Then Geraldo says Mr. Casey was sent to those woods with maps and graphs while Brad is on the show ( and this is important....Brad does not correct him ). He said he had no idea that Hoover was taping him. He can be clearly heard on the tape directing Mr. Hoover. Dom has said over and over again Hoover did not work for him. Later Brad claims that Hoover did work for Dom.. Are we detecting a pattern yet? My very favorite, hands down is.....mom and pop feign shock and claim they had no idea Dom went to those woods, the trouble is...Brad goes on Geraldo stating the tape belongs to them, it is part of THEIR INVESTIGATION. Moreover, Cindy states in front of two detectives that she had already sent someone to those woods in November...guess what month Dom was there. Are we there yet? Mr. Casey has stalled and delayed and fought in court for over a year now to avoid testifying. Yes....we have arrived.

Like the teenager and the walk home, Dom and Genny released a redacted short record from one day. That will hardly suffice.
This is the problem we have with seeing a release of Dom and Ginny's records from that day only.
1. We know they spoke on many other days than just the search day.
2. Dom had more than one phone he was using while in those woods.
3. Dom talked to others that then talked to Genny so we have questions about the nature of those conversations and relationships.
4. Genny is said to have been sent or given some items of Caylee's , we need to know the circumstances surrounding that, and see any and all correspondence.

There is such a thing as lying by omission. If you do not believe me...ask the federal officer what they would call Cindy giving the wrong hair brush for Caylee.

Have faith my friends. Mrs. Drane -Burdick wasted no time educating ( or as Mr. Dill would say..."edifying" ) Mr. Casey about what she expects when she has the court reporter swear him in. The same will be true with what's her name with the magic visions. What is that old Abe Lincoln saying..."You can fool some of the people...some of the time....but you cannot fool all of the people, all the time". The jig is up.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14HGg7krwkY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYweJpl7lwo

Dom also claims he just coincidentally receives a call from GL while on his way to check out Kio's story, and that coincidence "freaks him out". He forgets to mention that GL called his office at 6 something that morning and then called his cellphone. Forgets to mention he has talked to her previously. Forgets to mention GL has been involved with the family since the previous August.

The phone records indicate Dom actually talked to GL that morning before he ever left his house. Another "mistruth". If he was there just on GL's direction, and truly believed in the magical psychic story, why not just say so from the beginning. Nope, he was being deceptive from the get-go and then tried everything in his power to avoid being questioned about it. I think you are right -- the jig is up.

Nore
03-03-2010, 01:52 PM
What??????? Link me please? I don't think I have seen a "scary performance" that didn't involve a green sweater either.

-------------------
HI, I dont know how to do links. I can guide you (LOL).Go to thread 17.It has a picture of CA.on a utube tape.go to that tape,on the side bar are a list of tapes.at the bottom of list it says see all tapes.scroll down the list. it is listed as scary tape ~ Nancy G.. open it.I hope you can see it,no need to watch CA...


P.S. go in through 2nd tape..

TotallyObsessed
03-03-2010, 03:43 PM
-------------------
HI, I dont know how to do links. I can guide you (LOL).Go to thread 17.It has a picture of CA.on a utube tape.go to that tape,on the side bar are a list of tapes.at the bottom of list it says see all tapes.scroll down the list. it is listed as scary tape ~ Nancy G.. open it.I hope you can see it,no need to watch CA...


P.S. go in through 2nd tape..

HELP! Thread 17 of what, where?

bogeygal
03-03-2010, 04:44 PM
HELP! Thread 17 of what, where?

I think the poster Nore meant page 17 of this thread. Somewhere in the middle of the page, if that helps.

Saw it on youtube by searching "a scary performance", but after watching, I don't feel comfortable posting the video here at WS.

Nore
03-03-2010, 10:09 PM
HELP! Thread 17 of what, where?
-----------
I'm sorry,guess it is page 17 of this thread.We are now on page 19.It is an interesting read.


Ps.Thanks Bogeygal.I was at work and couldn't post sooner.It is a Read!!!!I forgot who posted the tape.

Reagan
03-04-2010, 03:47 AM
Then Geraldo says Mr. Casey was sent to those woods with maps and graphs while Brad is on the show ( and this is important....Brad does not correct him )

That's the first I've heard that. Wow! Can you link that video?

The World According
03-04-2010, 05:36 AM
That's the first I've heard that. Wow! Can you link that video?

Hi Reagan: Three minute mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_sEh-hVZcA

It is quite a revelation, I agree.....WOW!!
Brad going on Geraldo has been a disaster for Casey's case, imo. Check this little gem out. Brad: "Certainly she cannot testify", speaking of Casey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oGQ1-otlD0 News flash: Brad...the state may very well wanna pitch that ball. Get ready.

Chiquita71
03-04-2010, 04:39 PM
Thank you for that video link The World According (for all your video links!) :)

DC claims he was hired to investigate the kidnapping/disappearance of Caylee Anthony, not look for a dead child. IIRC in his statement to LE he uses that fact to make a point to LE when being questioned about his role in this case. Here we have BC saying DC was hired to look for Caylee "dead or alive."

Cindy was outraged that LE had "given up on finding a live Caylee", she said this in public many times. Cindy made it clear to the public that she wanted LE to follow up on all the tips that were coming in where people had spotted Caylee and claimed the LE was not doing so. Cindy was adamant that Caylee was alive and LE was not doing their job.

So, in public Cindy is screaming that LE is just trying to frame her daughter, they won't follow up on the leads that say Caylee is alive. She gets mad at TM for wanting to declare Caylee dead. If you were on Cindy's side you would say that she was fighting to find her granddaughter alive. But, behind the scenes she is looking for a dead Caylee. Lee's statement re: Cindy sending "someone into the woods" made him upset because he was under the assumption that the family was looking for a live Caylee.

(BC on GR) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_sEh-hVZcA


This is something that is their product, they hired DC and D&A Investigations to find Caylee Marie dead or alive and this is part of their investigation. This is part of their work product and now you have Mr. Hoover trying to profit from this, right now what the Anthonys want to do is bury this child with dignity and respect and individuals like Mr. Hoover are getting in the way. They're trying to profit from a tragedy.
(Brad Conway)

Here we have BC admit who this tape belongs to: the Anthonys.

:twocents:
DC and JH are Cindy's "people" she sent out to the woods that found "nothing." What I take away clearly from this is that Cindy Anthony was looking for a dead Caylee right where her remains would be found(a month later), while telling the world she believed in her daughter and that Caylee was alive and Casey was a innocent accused of a murder that didn't even happen.

Even if, hearing what Kiomarie had to say(BC brings this up when GR asks why DC and JH were looking where they were)and then getting the tip from the psychic were not a part of Cindy's plan: Cindy was lying when she was saying(and is still saying)that she thinks Caylee is alive. She could not have been in denial then or now if she was willing to entertain any tip or lead that Caylee was anything other than alive. And, the "tip" from Kiomarie was based on the assumption that Casey had killed Caylee and dumped her in the woods.

Cindy was following a tip that said Casey had killed Caylee. She obviously found that credible to enough of a degree to "hire"(he hasn't been paid)DC to check it out. I don't know what has been said re: who the psychic says is supposed to have disposed of Caylee where she was "seeing" her? But taking Cindy at face value ( :rolleyes: ) we might wonder why she was bothering with any story that said Casey was guilty? Cindy did ask Casey about Kiomarie and Casey told Cindy not to even bother, but Cindy checked it out anyway.

CA: "What did you do?"

...JS...

The World According
03-04-2010, 05:28 PM
Dom also claims he just coincidentally receives a call from GL while on his way to check out Kio's story, and that coincidence "freaks him out". He forgets to mention that GL called his office at 6 something that morning and then called his cellphone. Forgets to mention he has talked to her previously. Forgets to mention GL has been involved with the family since the previous August.

The phone records indicate Dom actually talked to GL that morning before he ever left his house. Another "mistruth". If he was there just on GL's direction, and truly believed in the magical psychic story, why not just say so from the beginning. Nope, he was being deceptive from the get-go and then tried everything in his power to avoid being questioned about it. I think you are right -- the jig is up.

Yes my friend, and according to MR. Sheaffer, once you are cold busted in one lie...it is easy for one to assume you are lying in other areas as well. I'll say!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQcxlUjNZbc The jury is going to despise these people!!!! That has the opposite of helping her if the jury believes her folks and her P I are lying through their teeth. The only inference to draw is they are lying to cover up what she is guilty of. Ask any politician.....it is always the cover up that sinks ya!

Tricia
03-05-2010, 08:26 AM
Spoiler


After several emails between us I have decided to let spoiler back in to Websleuths.

Spoiler also wrote something that I would like to share with you;

There is a community here in Florida called Cassadaga. The town consists mainly of Spiritualists ... Mediums. It's their chosen faith.
To call a Psychic Medium "Names" is the same as criticizing someones religious viewpoint,

I agree.

Please let's keep it civil. I have also told Spoiler that he needs to follow TOS.

Remember to hit the red triangle in the upper right hand corner of any post you find violates TOS. DO NOT RESPOND TO THE POST. HIT ALERT.

Carry on.

A_News_Junkie
03-05-2010, 10:12 AM
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HI, I dont know how to do links. I can guide you (LOL).Go to thread 17.It has a picture of CA.on a utube tape.go to that tape,on the side bar are a list of tapes.at the bottom of list it says see all tapes.scroll down the list. it is listed as scary tape ~ Nancy G.. open it.I hope you can see it,no need to watch CA...


P.S. go in through 2nd tape..

Nore,
Thanks for the tip - I find this lady actually quite insightful -- I just wish she talked faster! LOL

LCoastMom
03-07-2010, 08:09 PM
Dom also claims he just coincidentally receives a call from GL while on his way to check out Kio's story, and that coincidence "freaks him out". He forgets to mention that GL called his office at 6 something that morning and then called his cellphone. Forgets to mention he has talked to her previously. Forgets to mention GL has been involved with the family since the previous August.

The phone records indicate Dom actually talked to GL that morning before he ever left his house. Another "mistruth". If he was there just on GL's direction, and truly believed in the magical psychic story, why not just say so from the beginning. Nope, he was being deceptive from the get-go and then tried everything in his power to avoid being questioned about it. I think you are right -- the jig is up.
+++ :dance: +++ :D +++ :dance: +++ :crazy: +++ :dance: +++ :thumb: +++ :dance: +++


OK we have KIO telling LE in the days right after the 911 call about KC calling and asking for money.. Instead of saying 'Oh sure I'll get the phone records to you' she says; "Oh! I have to ask my boyfriend, it's his phone service."
:rolleyes:

Then she takes a stroll down Memory Lane with LE and shows them a "teen hang out, where they partied and buried dead pets" (hamsters and birds and such). "If KC was gonna get rid of something, this is where she would do it." The teen hangout is now behind a fence. IIRC it is a fence with a for sale sign on it.

Did anyone ever get the impression the area she talked about "behind the newish fence" sounded like a place teens would hang out? And was the area behind the fence under water?? in July? :confused:

She also told LE - KC never wanted Caylee, KIO offered to adopt Caylee because; she had already been told she was infertile and "KC was a pretty girl and stuff" and 'Kio had money at the time'. 'But CA who is very prejudiced and stuff' "Said no."

This was the comment heard round the world - Kio is the only one I have ever heard make the accusation; Jesse, his dad and the whole A Family who only speaks the truth, when they don't have a better lie." :bang: All say it is not true, KC never tried to get rid of Caylee, or adopt her out, prior to her birth.

I could swear the area behind the fence was off Suburban, but not behind the school like she talks about in her interview.

Kio sells her comments and thoughts on the matter to the Inquirer. :no:

IIRC It takes LE 3 weeks to track down Kio at her place of employment - where she says, "Oh yeah- I've been busy, sorry. It was KC Williams who called me, not KC A - I don't have the new number for KC Williams, I'll give you the disconnected number but my boyfriend won't hand over the phone records." This was now mid August when she had this conversation.

After Caylee is found Kio is at OCSDept being re-interviewed, I'm guessing they didn't wait for her to return their calls this time...

In November, we have DC armed with Kio's remarks - 3 mos after the fact and an area behind a fence - :idea:

we have a 'very sneaky Jim" who manages to film all this without DC being aware he is on tape!

we also have a Google maps following psychic :blushing: who out of the blue calls - DC on his private cell phone when he just happens to be in route to "the spot." and the psychic also carries on a lot about 3 bricks or pavers - anyone else remember how often pavers came into early conversations???

Then we have DC who speaks with his ill daughter - something like 3 times while he is traipsing around in the woods. But the only way this happened was if she was with the Virginia based psychic or they were using a third cell phone - maybe because she is not on any of the phone records :liar:

And we have DC who is completely wigged out by the psychic cause it's like she is in his head. (How many people who were there later - and reported back they were wigged out by the spot?) :eek:

Another huge coincidence - the A's just happen to be out of town this weekend and know nothing about this little thrice repeated trip looking for ummm nothing. :waitasec:

Dom has been indoctrinated into : The A Way, only speak the truth, when you don't have a better lie. :loser:

So everyone agreed the A's knew nothing of this super lucky sleuthing or even of GL as she had said they turned everything over to LE - :angel:Until CA forgets she knows nothing :doh: and in a rare candid moment of anger :argue: after Caylee is found 1/3 mile from home - CA slips and tells (JA?) that her people were there a month ago Caylee wasn't there.

IMO This is a good reason never to lie, the truth will come out eventually and usually when you least expect it. All those darn oops what I really meant to say was ....

butterfly1978
03-07-2010, 08:59 PM
Wow Lcoastmom, in the begining I was thinking you were pointing a finger at Kio Marie you almost had me convinced she knew where Caylee was or that she had something to do with it.

LCoastMom
03-07-2010, 10:58 PM
I am posting this with permission from a friend on another forum......All credit to them......they know who they are.......

Well, if we are going to play speculation on the questions, then I’ll state that I heartily agree that this has to do with DC, but I certainly have not, and will not, rule out that this is likely bad for JB, too.

Let’s start in November/08. (Dates may not be exact, but are close as all culled from online media publications)
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I’ll stop there so people can pause for thought. Why the full court Hail Mary play this week?
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Now, we could go on forever with this timeline, but here is a little task you can undertake for yourselves in relation to everything that went on in November 2008.

* This interview channel 13 did on Nov. 20th did with MB, and the A’s is significantly telling. This is the infamous one where Cindy looks very doped up, frail, and as if she’d received really, really bad news. http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=GeorgeAnthonyInterview_11202 0081037&cat=Local&title=George%20Anthony%20Interview

I speculate that some time in November 2008, the A’s not only learned with certainty that Caylee was deceased, I also surmise that they were informed that she was, indeed, “Close,” as KC had once stated to her concerned brother. As the shock set in, so too, did the devious attempts to spin.

I further guess that JB knew, too, and there is a lot more to this story, which is likely being investigated as we speak.

sleutherontheside Thank you for sharing this and please, thank your friend - for this timeline and for putting these two interviews with it.

I wasn't sure how I felt about MB in Nov 08, Knowing what we do now. (Actually - having the physical proof that we lacked in Nov) Knowing how their house of cards was about to come down on their heads, what did Michelle know that GA didn't? Why did they put CA in front of a camera while in this condition? looking like that?

Watch Michelle when she talks about sightings of Caylee, watch her look down and away when she talks about the picture that is physically close to Caylee - then she says "she (the child in the photo) is touching something I'm not an investigator but they could dust for prints." MB knew what they would find if they did. She said "out of the last three months, this week has been the most emotional of them all."

Cindy was practically comatose, GA teared up for just a second. I don't think GA is a good actor at all. What did Michelle and Cindy know that GA didn't? Or was he just so deeply into denial that nothing short of Caylee's remains were going to do it for him?? When he said he still believes what he did on day.... stumble - stutter did he catch himself from saying day 31?

LCoastMom
03-08-2010, 12:01 AM
Wow Lcoastmom, in the begining I was thinking you were pointing a finger at Kio Marie you almost had me convinced she knew where Caylee was or that she had something to do with it.

Not at all, but it could have looked that way, huh?? Remember the first interview was done within 1 or 2 days of the 911 call. LE had a pretty good idea how this was going to end up - But IMO, Kio played a negative part when it came to helping find Caylee - I don't know exactly what Kio's full agenda was, but it wasn't Caylee's best interest. I'm guessing Kio belongs in the "burned former friend" file.

nanny2five
03-08-2010, 12:54 AM
Thank you for that video link The World According (for all your video links!) :)
respectfully snipped by me
Even if, hearing what Kiomarie had to say(BC brings this up when GR asks why DC and JH were looking where they were)and then getting the tip from the psychic were not a part of Cindy's plan: Cindy was lying when she was saying(and is still saying)that she thinks Caylee is alive. She could not have been in denial then or now if she was willing to entertain any tip or lead that Caylee was anything other than alive. And, the "tip" from Kiomarie was based on the assumption that Casey had killed Caylee and dumped her in the woods.


CA: "What did you do?"

...JS...

bbm and responding to the bold - is ca still saying that Caylee is alive? or did i misunderstand what you meant? also, ita that ca has lied over and over about everything involved in this case. i have beautiful grandbabies too, and i sooooo wanted to see ca take Caylee's side but she hasnt and its heartbreaking to think what Caylee had to live thru in her short life!

Tuffy
03-08-2010, 06:38 AM
bbm and responding to the bold - is ca still saying that Caylee is alive? or did i misunderstand what you meant? also, ita that ca has lied over and over about everything involved in this case. i have beautiful grandbabies too, and i sooooo wanted to see ca take Caylee's side but she hasnt and its heartbreaking to think what Caylee had to live thru in her short life!

I think it was in their depositions that the Anthony's stated that they didn't think the remains found were Caylee's. So I guess that would mean they think she is still alive.

JusticeSeeker1960
03-08-2010, 10:01 AM
sleutherontheside Thank you for sharing this and please, thank your friend - for this timeline and for putting these two interviews with it.

I wasn't sure how I felt about MB in Nov 08, Knowing what we do now. (Actually - having the physical proof that we lacked in Nov) Knowing how their house of cards was about to come down on their heads, what did Michelle know that GA didn't? Why did they put CA in front of a camera while in this condition? looking like that?

Watch Michelle when she talks about sightings of Caylee, watch her look down and away when she talks about the picture that is physically close to Caylee - then she says "she (the child in the photo) is touching something I'm not an investigator but they could dust for prints." MB knew what they would find if they did. She said "out of the last three months, this week has been the most emotional of them all."

Cindy was practically comatose, GA teared up for just a second. I don't think GA is a good actor at all. What did Michelle and Cindy know that GA didn't? Or was he just so deeply into denial that nothing short of Caylee's remains were going to do it for him?? When he said he still believes what he did on day.... stumble - stutter did he catch himself from saying day 31?

Wow! This is the first time I'd seen this interview! First, I've never seen them do an interview that CA was not in control & the one who answered 99% of the questions asked! Second, she had "that look", you know, the look that ppl have after receiving news of the loss of a loved one!

There's not a doubt in my mind that CA had been told that Caylee was indeed dead. I know the look & the feeling, you've been told, you've cried until you can't seem to cry anymore, you're heart just hurts, you continue to try to function but you have that "zombie feeling" & what I'd describing is NOT from medication....it's just how it makes you feel, it drains everything from you.

The news that DC had apparently shared with CA had not been shared with GA. You're right, CA, MB knew but GA did not....he was still, well GA. I would love to know how close in proximity the dates correspond with each other...the day of the meet/greet vs the day this interview was given. If someone already knows the answer, that'd be great, if not I'll check into it and post!

TIA

LCoastMom
03-08-2010, 10:38 AM
I think it was in their depositions that the Anthony's stated that they didn't think the remains found were Caylee's. So I guess that would mean they think she is still alive.

Tuffy you're right it was during the depo CA claims their people are still looking for Caylee, I think they alluded to Caylee being in PR and there were other mainland sightings. So if they don't believe that was Caylee's remains why did they need 3 months to grieve before doing the depo's??

Odd they never grieved their own grandchild, but they grieved this other child who they don't even know....

Spoiler
03-18-2010, 01:38 AM
I do not believe Dominic is scared at all. He wants the truth to come out. He claimed to be talking to Ginnette Lucas and no one believed him. But that was the truth. He will be vindicated on these other accusations as well.

Horace Finklestein
03-18-2010, 01:48 AM
I do not believe Dominic is scared at all. He wants the truth to come out. He claimed to be talking to Ginnette Lucas and no one believed him. But that was the truth. He will be vindicated on these other accusations as well.

I doubt it. He was doing some shady stuff and I think he realized he could be getting himself into a lot of trouble and is trying to backpedal. He is not an honest person - just look at his 'investigations' and his bizarre, evasive testimony so far.

mikeysmommom
03-18-2010, 07:51 AM
and I tend to agree with you. It also would answer why the police said "Lee knows what he's done" ...

Maybe that is why Lee asked for immunity.

Texas Mist
03-18-2010, 04:38 PM
Soooo - is Cheney Mason still Dominic's attorney?? Is that a problem if he is??

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=4&ved=0CAwQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.cdn.turner.com%2Fcnn%2F2009%2F images%2F09%2F16%2Fexhibit.c.pdf&rct=j&q=dominic+casey+cheney+mason+attorney&ei=I46iS5-qLc20tgfair2pCg&usg=AFQjCNF4CAeF8ZINcSiWFJL9htUC7_MUxQ

lisalei321
03-18-2010, 04:41 PM
Soooo - is Cheney Mason still Dominic's attorney?? Is that a problem if he is??

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=4&ved=0CAwQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.cdn.turner.com%2Fcnn%2F2009%2F images%2F09%2F16%2Fexhibit.c.pdf&rct=j&q=dominic+casey+cheney+mason+attorney&ei=I46iS5-qLc20tgfair2pCg&usg=AFQjCNF4CAeF8ZINcSiWFJL9htUC7_MUxQ

I thought Diana Tennis was Dominic's Attorney?

Texas Mist
03-18-2010, 04:53 PM
I thought Diana Tennis was Dominic's Attorney?

Thanks, Lisa....I found the motion filed in KC's ZFG case (linked in my previous post) that mentioned Mason as attorney for Dominic....guess they have parted ways.

It makes me wonder tho what he knows about what Dominic knows, and how 'proper' it is now to be working as a defense atty for KC.

As always, many twists to this case....and it looks like Mason has been in a position for a while to "know things", IYKWIM.

faefrost
03-18-2010, 05:01 PM
Thanks, Lisa....I found the motion filed in KC's ZFG case (linked in my previous post) that mentioned Mason as attorney for Dominic....guess they have parted ways.

It makes me wonder tho what he knows about what Dominic knows, and how 'proper' it is now to be working as a defense atty for KC.

As always, many twists to this case....and it looks like Mason has been in a position for a while to "know things", IYKWIM.

I think he is pretty well within the boundries of propriety and ethics with this one. And from what some of the locals are saying he does have a sterling rep for such.

beach
03-18-2010, 05:04 PM
Thanks, Lisa....I found the motion filed in KC's ZFG case (linked in my previous post) that mentioned Mason as attorney for Dominic....guess they have parted ways.

It makes me wonder tho what he knows about what Dominic knows, and how 'proper' it is now to be working as a defense atty for KC.

As always, many twists to this case....and it looks like Mason has been in a position for a while to "know things", IYKWIM.



Are you referring to paragraph 5 of that motion? I skimmed for the most part, but that is the only place I saw Mason referenced. If that is the case, it appears that DC contacted Mason initially to represent him, Mason probably placed a call to Morgan & Co. to ward off the inevitable, then advised him to seek other counsel.

Texas Mist
03-18-2010, 05:32 PM
Are you referring to paragraph 5 of that motion? I skimmed for the most part, but that is the only place I saw Mason referenced. If that is the case, it appears that DC contacted Mason initially to represent him, Mason probably placed a call to Morgan & Co. to ward off the inevitable, then advised him to seek other counsel.

Do you think CM knew anything from back then, or that DC went to him & only said "hey, can ya get this Morgan guy off my back"?

There's a lotta coincidences in this case, isn't there? ;)

logicalgirl
03-18-2010, 05:44 PM
Rats, rats, and triple rats. I REALLY wanted the "secret" investigation and evidence to be Dom stepping up and finally being a man for Caylee!

Maybe there is hope yet? Maybe?

Really, how interesting is it going to be at this point in time to page through 50 letters Casey has written - aside from looking at how thoroughly she is able to not acknowledge on any level she's killed her own daughter. I'd be interested in doing that later when this whole case is over.

Right now - all I want is action!

beach
03-18-2010, 07:20 PM
Do you think CM knew anything from back then, or that DC went to him & only said "hey, can ya get this Morgan guy off my back"?

There's a lotta coincidences in this case, isn't there? ;)

BBM

All ya gotta do is check out my sig line to know ITA! :D


In the 'real' world, not the circus world, I wouldn't worry about it at all. HOWEVER, I would not want to speculate for one minute what DC may have divulged in his conversation to Mason. And, yes, in this case where so many paths have crossed and everybody seems to have a secret...I would want to know EXACTLY the nature of the relationship, how long it lasted, what was info was exchanged.... It might be very important, especially later on.

Actually, would you like to post this (include the link and specify paragraph 5) in the Questions for Verified Attorney thread? I would like to read their opinions, too.

The World According
03-20-2010, 06:33 PM
Read this: http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/casey_anthonys_private_investi.php
Note the date on the article. Also , he says he is working pro bono, and has been a PI for 20 years. That is the first I have heard of that. My understanding is that he became one in 2008, mere months before Caylee went missing. You just can't make this stuff up!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpFaxOPQseM


Monday, November 10, 2008


Dominic Casey, head of D & A Investigations, Inc., the agency working with the Anthony family to find Casey Anthony's missing daughter, spoke exclusively with momlogic. And he vehemently believes the three-year-old is alive.

"You can call me crazy," says Dominic, who has been a private investigator for 20 years. "Everyone is calling me crazy. I get death threats on a daily basis.Whatever George Anthony smelled, Dominic is convinced it was not Caylee Marie. "There is no indication in any of the forensic reports," insists Dominic, "that say that the decomposition was of a human nature. They are all inconclusive."

Dominic Casey says he is still actively searching for clues, just has he has been since days after Caylee's disappearance -- all pro bono. "We offered our services to the Anthonys and since then we have not taken one cent from them. It's not about the money. One's ability to pay should not deny the right to available resources, especially in the case of missing child."

In addition to his ongoing investigation, Dominic speaks with the Anthonys on a daily basis. "George and Cindy are good people living a nightmare." And he stresses at no time have the Anthonys ever doubted the innocence of their daughter. "Absolutely not. Never. They completely support Casey." But, he adds, "I would never give them false hope." Dominic has also spoken many times with Casey, meeting with her in Orange County Jail early as August. "She is absolutely distraught," says Dominic when asked about her demeanor on these visits, "I cannot imagine what that girl is going through."

November 15, 16, 17
Taped Transcript of Mr. Dominic Casey
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4782219/...leased-March-5

http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html
Posted: 5:55 pm EST January 7, 2009Updated: 7:57 am EST January 8, 2009
P.I. Says Partner Knew Where Caylee Anthony's Body Was
"Private investigator Jim Hoover and his attorney told only Eyewitness News on Wednesday afternoon that the Anthonys' private investigator, Dominic Casey, told Hoover on the morning of November 15 that Caylee was dead and that he knew where her body was.

November 17, 2008 3:23:34 PM (scroll down)
Spokeswoman: Anthonys Have Evidence Caylee Is Alive
"Spokeswoman Michelle Bart told News 13 Monday they have legitimate tips and evidence that Caylee is still alive."

November 20, 2008
http://www.wftv.com/news/18025838/detail.html
Statement From Mark NeJame Resigning As Anthonys' Attorney
The following is a statement released by Mark NeJame on November 20, 2008
(quoted from statement)
"The other condition I required was that I would have absolutely nothing to do with representing Casey or assisting in her legal defense."
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December 16, 2008
http://www.wftv.com/news/18288396/detail.html (scroll down)
Posted: 6:32 am EST December 16, 2008 Updated: 10:04 am EST December 18, 2008
ANTHONYS RELEASE STATEMENT ABOUT REMAINS (quoted from article)
"Conway said he plans to meet with the lead prosecutor and detectives later this week to ask for full immunity for the Anthonys"

January 7, 2009
http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html
Posted: 5:55 pm EST January 7, 2009Updated: 7:57 am EST January 8, 2009
ANTHONY FAMILY ATTORNEY MEETS WITH PROSECUTORS
(quoted from article)
"Conway also told Eyewitness News that he's been trying to get immunity for the George and Cindy Anthony."

January 12, 2009
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18460620/detail.html
POSTED: Monday, January 12, 2009 UPDATED: 2:09 pm EST January 12, 2009

sleutherontheside
03-20-2010, 07:56 PM
Read this: http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/casey_anthonys_private_investi.php
Note the date on the article. Also , he says he is working pro bono, and has been a PI for 20 years. That is the first I have heard of that. My understanding is that he became one in 2008, mere months before Caylee went missing. You just can't make this stuff up!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpFaxOPQseM

Snipped by me....

TWA......perhaps DC was counting from the date that he received his Ovaltine Secret Decoder Ring?????????????????????????? :waitasec:

beach
03-20-2010, 09:02 PM
Dominic has also spoken many times with Casey, meeting with her in Orange County Jail early as August. "She is absolutely distraught," says Dominic when asked about her demeanor on these visits, "I cannot imagine what that girl is going through."


--respectfully snipped for brevity & emphasis

Well, no wonder they got along so well! I must say Dom & CA do sound like soul mates. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/beach2yall/Smilies/aktion.gif


His impression of Casey cements my view of his credibility. Puhleeeze!

Macushla
04-21-2010, 06:55 PM
Bumping this thread cause I have a question I can't find the answer to! Do we know whether or not the State did an investigative interview with D.Casey? I know Judge Strickland told the State they could do that, but was it done.

When the 'new info' came out and it pertained to GA and his alleged affair a number of us thought the info might have come from the investigative interview. It was discussed a lot, that much I remember. What I don't remember - is there a definitive yes or no as to whether or not this interview happened. I know there has not been anything in the document dumps, nothing that even hints at it.

Anyone know anything for sure?

magic-cat
04-21-2010, 07:11 PM
It has never been disclosed if it ever happened.

logicalgirl
04-21-2010, 07:17 PM
Still sitting here wishing and a'hoping!

Dom testimony - Open, Open, Open!

beach
04-21-2010, 09:13 PM
Darn you! I saw this thread bumped up and thought it was Christmas morning!

logicalgirl
04-21-2010, 09:21 PM
Darn you! I saw this thread bumped up and thought it was Christmas morning!

I read through the whole thread and the only thing I learned that's new is Dom has an Ovaltine Secret Decoder Ring.

Yeeessss! Sleutherontheside says he does!

Angel4u2Whisper2
04-21-2010, 09:32 PM
Spoiler


After several emails between us I have decided to let spoiler back in to Websleuths.

Spoiler also wrote something that I would like to share with you;



I agree.

Please let's keep it civil. I have also told Spoiler that he needs to follow TOS.

Remember to hit the red triangle in the upper right hand corner of any post you find violates TOS. DO NOT RESPOND TO THE POST. HIT ALERT.

Carry on.

Respectfully Trisha? Isn't Cassadaga (the community in which she mentioned) in New York. I have been there a few times. It is a gated community. ETA: I mean no disrespect. There could be another one.

christee
04-21-2010, 10:14 PM
The only interview I remember Dominic giving is the one w/ J. Allen & others.
I don't remember if they rescheduled his depo that was cancelled in Dec of '09 but I could've just missed it...