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imamaze
12-04-2009, 10:38 PM
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Continue here with discussion on Somer's case.

Post links to SR registry only, do not copy/paste info on SO to this thread, including photographs and inmate details.

Do not post personal information -- name, address, phone number -- of anyone LE has not named as suspect in the murder of Somer Thompson here.

References to minors other than the victim should be initials only (AC, AT, ST). When in doubt about whether you can use someone's name, use initials and provide link to source of information.
Do not post links to Facebook/MySpace/Twitter pages.


Thanks to Noway for links and TOS reminder!

Noway
12-04-2009, 10:48 PM
Please do not quote in its entirety.

Instead, use the Quote button and delete everything but the parts you want to discuss. This post is huge.



List of FACTS in Somer's case: Version VI

Credit for compiling goes to: SharetheLight, Doggies, Dee10, MammaD, CCane, and Many Others (it's a work in progress).

These are facts as reported by media and/or from the MPR. Tried to put links to source where available.

Called this version Part I so when editing time on this post is up, this can be copied and added to and we can call that one Version II and so on.

SOMER
Somer Thompson was 7 years old when she disappeared on October 19, 2009.
Somer was wearing a cranberry jumpsuit (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33410779/ns/today-today_people/) (sweat suit (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/AMBERAlert.jpg)) with a matching top to the bottom and pink satin stripes down the sides of arms and legs, and a black shirt underneath (http://tinyurl.com/yjklsn8).
Somer's birthday is April 5, 2002.
Somer was not in the habit of wandering off, according to her mom (http://tinyurl.com/yjklsn8) in video (on left, scroll down in video list) Diena Thompson Addresses The Media.
Somer routinely wandered around (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...girl_somer_ren) and nobody knew where she was, according to a babysitter.
Somer wore a red ribbon in her ponytail on October 19.
AB (neighbor) drove Somer to school on October 19 and said it was a normal morning and Somer was her usual self (http://www.news4jax.com/news/21363638/detail.html).
Somer went to school (GPE) and left school at regular time (2:32 p.m.).
Somer was walking home with a group of kids that included sister AT and brother AT.
Something happened on the walk home and Somer ran ahead to walk alone.
An AMBER Alert was issued on Tuesday morning. It does not mention the book bag or lunchbox, but mentions her possibly wearing white hat and scarf. JPG of AMBER Alert (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/AMBERAlert.jpg)
Somer lived with her mom Diena Thompson, her twin brother ST, her older sister AT. (Unsure whether half-brother AC lived with them)
Somer's body was found at Chesser Island Landfill in Folkston, GA (http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpop...dOQmnB05w.cspx). She was tentatively identified by her clothing and a birthmark.
Somer's lunchbox (http://tinyurl.com/ybt9tzj) and book bag (http://tinyurl.com/y9ed32a) (see sketches (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/video_photos.cfm?id=69151)as released by LE and shown on AMW) have not been found. Details first reported on AMW (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=69151)November 7. (Previous reports had not mentioned description of lunchbox; backpack/book bag was described several ways, now believed to be in error, including but not limited to ""black book bag (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf)"; "pink black and white backpack with skulls, hearts, and crossbones (http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/10/clay-county-authorities-search.html)"; purple HM backpack (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-body-found-sheriff-matches-birthmark-clothing/Story?id=8887834&page=2)")

DIENA
Diena and Samuel Thompson are estranged and in the process of divorcing.
Diena has a live-in boyfriend (CPC, who goes by P).
Diena said she had lunch at her home on October 19 with SAP, a family friend.
Diena asked SAP to wait until the kids got home from school (http://tinyurl.com/y8wflf8). (from narrative MPR, but what was he to do after that?)
Dena texts SAP around 4 p.m., asking how the kids were; SAP replied that Somer had not come home with the other kids.
Diena leaves work early to search for Somer.
Diena felt something was wrong this time, and this is why she responded quickly to news of Somer not making it home that day.
Diena calls her boyfriend, CPC aka P, at about 4:20 p.m., tells him Somer didn’t come home, and asks him to leave work to help search for her.
Diena stops at OPAA to pick up oldest son AC.
Diena flags down D/S A. Coan (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im...ice.report.pdf) at the corner of Floyd Circle West and Gano, and reports Somer missing.

SAMUEL
Samuel lives in North Carolina and has not seen Somer in 2 years.
Samuel came to FL on the Sunday after Somer's disappearance.
Samuel says soot was found on Somer’s body in NG interview). (Later, he recants that statement through relative on WS because the source of this information, his sister LH, is thought to be unreliable.)

SEAN A. P. (SAP)
SAP is a close family friend of family.
SAP is said to have had lunch with Diena at her house on October 19 (in the MPR, he does not state this himself but Diena does).
SAP is asked to wait at house until kids come home from school. (from MPR narrative; not sure what he was to do after they came home)..
SAP had not been asked to do this before. This was his first time.
SAP asks where Somer is when AT and ST arrived around 3:10 p.m.
SAP sent AT to look for Somer. When she returned about 15 minutes later without her, SAP told her to look again real good before he called Diena.
SAP gets text from Diena around 4 p.m. asking how the kids were doing; he texts back that Somer did not come home with the other kids and AT is out looking for her.Diena says she will leave work and come look for Somer.
SAP opened bank account for donations to Somer’s family, and the account is in his name.

C. PERRY C.
CPC is Diena's live-in boyfriend.
CPC gets call about 4:20 p.m. from Diena who tells him Somer didn’t come home; Diena asks him to leave work to help search for her.
CPC leaves work and drives to the Horton Drive home; arrives at about 5 p.m.
CPC picks up ST (twin) at the house about 5 p.m. and goes to search for Somer.

GANO AVENUE HOUSE
This house caught fire months ago and is being restored.
Work crews have been at that house.
[VD&B (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=147122) is the contractor working on the house.
Kyle, who works with the contractor, was there on October 19, and said that Somer came in the yard, told him that he/they were doing a good job on the house, and went back the way she came. (Thanks, MammaD!)
Kyle is the last person known to see Somer alive.
There are propane tanks surrounded by a fence about a block the house (toward school).
J., a minor, was riding his bike home when he saw Somer running around near the tanks and that she he thought she was excited but had a frown on her face.
OPAA is a park and sporting fields across the street from the house.
LE searched the house extensively on Thursday and Friday.
The Gano House was proclaimed a crime scene (http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/crime/story.aspx?storyid=116107&catid=82), as was the search area.

LAW ENFORCEMENT

LE searched the Gano Avenue house extensively and the men's room (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21389447/detail.html) at OPAA briefly and came out with a bag.
An autopsy was performed, and LE knows the cause of death, but that have not released that information (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21389447/detail.html).
Sheriff reports only one person cleared in the investigation into Somer’s death and that is him.

Investigators made the request (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21435492/detail.html) / recommendation (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-26/story/large_crowd_expected_for_somer_thompsons_funeral) that Somer's casket be closed.

OTHER PEOPLE
AB drove Somer to school on October 19.
AB appeared on TV (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-body-found-sheriff-matches-birthmark-clothing/story?id=8887834) with Sheriff Beseler (http://www.livedash.com/transcript/good_morning_america/714/KGO/Thursday_October_22_2009/99710/). Don't want video to appear in this post: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33427923#33427923"]msnbc.com.

A female neighbor who asked that her name not be reported, upon hearing of Somer’s disappearance, tells LE to check the vacant house on Gano Avenue and its dumpster. After Somer is found in the landfill, she said she wishes she would have checked it herself.

A (different?) female neighbor, when questioned about the trash pick-up day, made a comment that the trash had already been collected that day so to take that however you want to. A WSer posted (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4322499&postcount=253%22%20%5Ct%20%22_blank)that it was the woman who drove Somer to school; that would have been AB. I wasn't sure which video it is at the link provided in the post.

Houses in the vicinity of the Gano house were searched (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-22/story/search_for_clues_continues_at_scene_near_where_som er_thompson) on Tuesday, October 20. The search literally hit home for schools Superintendent Ben Wortham, who lives about 100 yards from the Gano Drive spot where Somer was last seen. About 2 a.m. Tuesday, his house and many others in the vicinity were “searched from top to bottom,” Wortham said.

GARBAGE
Bruce Owens, an officer suggests to the sheriff that all trash trucks should be followed and searched so they can isolate the trash coming out of this area, the trash trucks are then followed. (Later reported that Joe Jett gets credit for this.)
Somer was found dead on October 21 in the Chesser Island Landfill in Fokston, Georgia.
LE followed the trucks to the Chesser Island Landfill.

There is at least one video of an interview with Diena that is blacked out-significant portion of interview is missing at the point where DT is recalling something from the day. (Could this just be because it was raw video and they edited out camera man movement?)


RSOs
There are 161 RSOs (http://www.wctv.tv/APNews/headlines/65806732.html) that live within 5 miles of Somer’s home.
CWG’s name and contact info appears on the initial police report (in error (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-23/story/somers_slaying_investigaton_narrowing_down_origin_ of_trash) as a case of mistaken identity) detailing her disappearance, along with the names of family, neighbors, and others.
The owner of VD&B has a brother who is an RSO. His name is GCV (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=5693).
Since Somer disappeared many RSO’s have been arrested for failing to update their addresses.

UNRELATED BUT YET, RELATED
What was thought to be an attempted abduction 10 days before Somer's disappearance turned out not to be an attempted abduction and was not related to Somer's disappearance according to LE. Even after LE said there was no connection, reports on blue Nissans (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-12/story/in_somer_thompson_case_rumors_become_a_big_problem ) poured in to the CCSO.

A police report in the Clay County Daily indicated that 4 burglary suspects were arrested at the Thompson home. LE later said that the address was in error and gave this explanation: An officer who was at the Thompson home was called to an unrelated burglary call and made the arrest of 4 individuals (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-12/story/in_somer_thompson_case_rumors_become_a_big_problem )but when he filed his report, he forgot to change the address. If you check the Clay County Daily (http://p2c.claysheriff.com/dailybulletin.aspx) for 11/21, you will find the correct information now.

CWG's name on the MPR was a result of mistaken identity (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-23/story/somers_slaying_investigaton_narrowing_down_origin_ of_trash) according to LE.[/quote]

Noway
12-04-2009, 10:54 PM
WEDNESDAY 10/21
Somer's body found at around 3:30 p.m.

THURSDAY 10/22
LE goes to Gano House in the afternoon. ETA (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-22/story/search_for_clues_continues_at_scene_near_where_som er_thompson)(The spot where Somer disappeared is about three blocks from the school. Investigators returned there Thursday afternoon seeking evidence in a vacant house, trash bin and surrounding property at 1080 Gano.) Working at 11:30 p.m. when the digging equipment arrives. Works until 1:30 a.m. (Friday morning).

LE talks with James V. owner of construction company working at Gano house.

LE talks with Kyle (assumption on my part), assistant of James V.
LE talks with G. Chris V., brother of James V. and an RSO, who worked at Gano house months ago but was not at the house on October 19. Source (http://www.wftv.com/video/21409330/index.html)

FRIDAY 10/23
LE to Gano House at WHAT TIME?

LE talks with G. Chris V., brother of James V., an RSO, who worked at Gano house months ago but was not at the house on October 19. Source
(http://www.wftv.com/video/21409330/index.html)
Ryan Hughes (reporter for WFTV) talks with Kyle. Source (http://www.wftv.com/video/21409330/index.html)

8:45 p.m. Yellow tape that surrounded home taken down. Source (http://www.wftv.com/video/21409330/index.html)


Note: The source for info about G. Chris V., Ryan talking with Kyle, the yellow tape, the Georgia ME not releasing the body in time for the services, and there being 50 detectives assigned is the same video.

camcneishg
12-04-2009, 10:59 PM
Noway, I think that Joe Jett was the detective that actually found her body in the land fill

Noway
12-04-2009, 11:00 PM
Here are some useful links, most of which have appeared or do appear in my signature at times.

About posting NAMES

My MPR Summary (http://tinyurl.com/yd6o7xh)

AmandaReckonWith Pix/Vids (http://tinyurl.com/ydag2z8)

Checklist for First Responders Missing Child (http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/publications/NC88.pdf)

Clay County Clerk (http://tinyurl.com/yghsx33)

Clay County Public Records (http://publicrecords.onlinesearches.com/FL_Clay.htm)

CCSO Daily (http://tinyurl.com/3w7ral)

FL SO Search (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/Search.jsp)

Forensic Astrology (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90593%22)

S. Thompson MPR (http://tinyurl.com/y8wflf8)

S. Thompson Obit (http://tinyurl.com/yas3phg)

Somer's Route (Map) (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/980cd917.jpg)

Who's Who (this takes you out of Websleuths) & SO List (http://tinyurl.com/ya7j9mx)

Noway
12-04-2009, 11:02 PM
Cam, do you have a source for that? TIA

I remember he seemed to be getting credit for the idea of searching the garbage ...

camcneishg
12-04-2009, 11:05 PM
Cam, do you have a source for that? TIAwasn't he on AMW stating so? I could be wrong, but I seem to remember this.....I had not seen him in years until AMW, and I was shocked when I saw him....so I didn't listen to the rest of the show...LOL

camcneishg
12-04-2009, 11:08 PM
btw, is the AMW show with Somer anywhere on line?

Noway
12-04-2009, 11:09 PM
I didn't catch AMW. I'll go see what I can find.

camcneishg
12-04-2009, 11:15 PM
Jett is a Sarg. now....

camcneishg
12-04-2009, 11:18 PM
maybe I am wrong about this after all, if he is a Sarg, then he was prob in charge, that's all, sorry

Utta Waye
12-04-2009, 11:31 PM
sadnpod & eyes4crime

I have to go now, but do wish to respond to your comments, and will do so later. The new thread has made quoting a little more difficult.

Noway - thanks so much for keeping some order in this maze!

camcneishg
12-04-2009, 11:32 PM
Looking back now on when Somer was found....I just can't get past the part about Beasler "calling" DT to tell her.....this is so wrong.....very odd....MO

Noway
12-04-2009, 11:33 PM
From cached Thread 16. I'll go find the formatted version. ETA: Forgot I can't quote from closed thread.

This is the source of my confusion on Joe Jett. Not Doggies, but that some source started giving credit to Joe Jett.


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park thread #16


doggies
11-07-2009, 07:57 PM

I made notes:
No suspects, no POI
2:50pmwalking home w/10 yr old, twin and a couple of more children
15 minutes later, at house...she MAY have 'stepped' inside the fence, MAY have looked at the house
Someone MAY have pulled up in car, and Somer, gregarious, MAY have gone up to car
Roadblocks immediately put up, LE t/w people walking and driving
"After that, we don't know."
SOs are not clear, LE just located them to make sure one did not have Somer
Officer Joe Jett is who suggested following trash trucks
BUT...They do not know from which DUMPSTER Somer's body was taken.
This is edited:Artist's rendering of what looked like a Hello Kitty book bag (satchel type) and round lunch bag. Subsequent pictures have proven it is not. Please see pictures posted by MommaD from the AMW website http://www.amw.com/fugitives/video_photos.cfm?id=69151. Thank you MommaD.
They've looked at all surveillance camera tapes in the area
And...that's it.



http://www.news4jax.com/news/21363638/detail.html

"Tuesday morning, one of my detectives, Bruce Owens, came forward and said, 'You know, I think it'd be a good idea to follow those garbage trucks and let's look at the garbage on the front end rather than waiting and maybe later on trying to go and uncover something,' which was a stroke of genius," Beseler said. "It was a precautionary thing. We didn't have any idea at that time that this would come about. But it was just a really good move."

Noway
12-04-2009, 11:35 PM
For what it's worth, there is some discussion about the uncle of Somer's friend on Thread 16 if anyone is interested in reading.

ETA

LOL just found where MommaD and I were discussing my shortcut theory.

camcneishg
12-04-2009, 11:37 PM
that's odd, because I remember Beasler introducing the detective that came to him with the idea

sadnpod
12-04-2009, 11:39 PM
The detective told me that CWG was on police report because officers had photos of absconded RSO's in somers area and were showing them to people that live in the apartments nearby. One of these people (CGG) said they thought they had seen CWG panhandling by Interstate 295. The officer passed this on and it was noted it on police report. He also said that it shows on the report if you know the codes that CWG was not present. The last page annotates the witness and CWG. It was determined the witness was mistaken because CWG was in TX.

camcneishg
12-04-2009, 11:43 PM
isn't CGG the one that has him as a friend on her MS? that whole thing is odd, they had his work # and everything listed didn't they? odd! MO
ETA:I think it was CVS, not CGG that had him listed as a friend on MS

Noway
12-04-2009, 11:44 PM
Short version of AMW video (Source in Thread 16: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park thread #16). More like teaser to get you to watch?

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid24025423001?bctid=46097329001

camcneishg
12-04-2009, 11:48 PM
another reason I do not believe what LE told you, is that he was not someone in that area, he was listed in Jacksonville....no where near Somer's area.....MO

camcneishg
12-04-2009, 11:57 PM
Jacksonville address is 15 miles away, Orange Park address is 7.5 miles away

Noway
12-04-2009, 11:58 PM
I added the quote from Sheriff about Owens in the post above.




http://www.news4jax.com/news/21363638/detail.html

"Tuesday morning, one of my detectives, Bruce Owens, came forward and said, 'You know, I think it'd be a good idea to follow those garbage trucks and let's look at the garbage on the front end rather than waiting and maybe later on trying to go and uncover something,' which was a stroke of genius," Beseler said. "It was a precautionary thing. We didn't have any idea at that time that this would come about. But it was just a really good move."

I didn't know the codes but I guessed it was CGG who had IDd him. Where can one learn police codes online?

sadnpod
12-04-2009, 11:59 PM
another reason I do not believe what LE told you, is that he was not someone in that area, he was listed in Jacksonville....no where near Somer's area.....MO

Cam.. didnt say I believed it either. Just passin on what was said. Yes, odd. It just gets more and more odd, if you ask me.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:00 AM
I am making too many mistakes here tonight....bed time....LOL

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 12:01 AM
I added the quote from Sheriff about Owens in the post above.

I didn't know the codes but I guessed it was CGG who had IDd him. Where can one learn police codes online?

Ive been trying to find that out since I first read the report. No luck.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:03 AM
might be hard for them to admit if they talked to him since he DOES have a warrent out for his arrest in Duval.....kinda like the car deal in the beginning.....odd....MO

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 12:03 AM
I am making too many mistakes here tonight....bed time....LOL

Where? And this is just your first bedtime notice... so not yet, right? LOL

Noway
12-05-2009, 12:04 AM
The detective told me that CWG was on police report because officers had photos of absconded RSO's in somers area and were showing them to people that live in the apartments nearby. One of these people (CGG) said they thought they had seen CWG panhandling by Interstate 295. The officer passed this on and it was noted it on police report. He also said that it shows on the report if you know the codes that CWG was not present. The last page annotates the witness and CWG. It was determined the witness was mistaken because CWG was in TX.

LMAO

I can't even see the codes much less decipher what they mean. Unless he means the IO and DR? In which case, CWG has the same code IO as everyone else and CGG has the DR ... oops? another mistake on the MPR?

I guess there are more pages to the MPR than were released.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:06 AM
well, I am gonna track down my neighbor cop and ask him this weekend if I can find him....I will let you know what I find out....this is all to crazy!!

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:08 AM
Where? And this is just your first bedtime notice... so not yet, right? LOLLOL...now that is funny!!

Noway
12-05-2009, 12:12 AM
Detective Owens News Conference (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=search&maven_referralObject=1303952539#/Detective+Owens+News+Conference/49318358001)

He says "I mentioned to Sheriff Beseler" ... listen to it for yourself.

I have to go tuck kids in ... have sound down low on PC and can't catch details. BBL I hope

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:17 AM
IO = Involved Others
now what the heck is the DR???

ccane
12-05-2009, 12:19 AM
IO = Involved Others
now what the heck is the DR???

I looked up the phone # before and it came up will medical/dental records

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:22 AM
IO= Info Only!!!

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:29 AM
maybe DR stands for "don't remember", not really sure...maybe I saw this guy on the side of 295! LOL...maybe....LOL

ccane
12-05-2009, 12:36 AM
maybe DR stands for "don't remember", not really sure...maybe I saw this guy on the side of 295! LOL...maybe....LOL

DR stands for dental records ... they pulled the records and filed the report the report on the 22nd and typed in (1 ) in the victim of a crime box on the report

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:37 AM
I just did a white pages look up on the phone # for CG, and it lists as a cell phone from Jax, but will not give the name of owner...

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:39 AM
why would dental records be listed by CGG's name??? you have really lost me here...LOL

ccane
12-05-2009, 12:40 AM
I just did a white pages look up on the phone # for CG, and it lists as a cell phone from Jax, but will not give the name of owner...

I googled it and it came up with navy medical and dental records

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:41 AM
does CGG work for dental records at the hospital??

ccane
12-05-2009, 12:42 AM
does CGG work for dental records at the hospital??

I have know idea what she does I am just saying what I found so far

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:44 AM
I meant CWG when I was talking about the white pages look up, not CGG....LOL....I know the other is for the hospital, I recognize the 542, hubby works on that base...

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 12:45 AM
IO = Involved Others
now what the heck is the DR???

Desk Report? (I thought of others, but cussing is against TOS)

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:46 AM
I know a bit more about her, but not sure I should post it here.....nothing that really matters I guess, but have done some inside sleuthing.....now how the heck are they saying that she reported CWG if she is the one that pulled the dental records....this is all too much for my brain tonight...again....flippin too many burgers....

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 12:47 AM
posted by shadowizar post 525 in the last thread:

I trust my source. I even trust the person who told my source, but I don't know who they spoke with related to DT which is why I said take it with a grain of salt. If you guys prefer to sit around and criticize DT's dress during the funeral and rather discuss whether she smokes pot or not as relevant information instead, then best of luck to you.

The few of you that have my number and want me to look into something for you are free to give me a ring and I'll get back with you, I'm going back to looking and talking to people around the neighborhood. The last few threads here have been just about a big waste of time.

My response:
To my knowledge no one has mentioned what DT wears, nor what she may or may not choose to smoke for several threads.

I am puzzled why this accusation continues to come up. Those topics have been dropped for a while now.

I notice that no one will mention any theory relating to DT anymore. Most likely because for some reason whenever a theory is given involving DT someone comes in to say DT is being unfairly treated. I cannot understand this. No one has been cleared. LE always looks at family and last person seen with the victim. It is logical people here would to.

I do not think DT nor ST killed Somer. I do think they both contributed to her being a vulnerable child. I think they both failed Somer.

For whatever reasons, some of which may be very legit, but ultimately neither parent was around much for Somer. Somer was 7 years old. A 7 year old wants someone to take time, play with them, sit with them and listen to all the things they have to say. They want undivided attention. 7 year olds have a lot to say. They most want this from their parents. If the parents aren't available to the child they will look elsewhere.
Both DT and ST made choices, so many choices which resulted in Somer becoming a vulnerable child, an easy target. I am not blaming anyone. I am just saying that it is logical to see this and saying so is not cruel treatment of either DT or ST.

I've been a single parent. I am not picking on DT or slaming her for being one. I know it's tough, she had a rough road. But for us to ignore the circumstances of either parent that put Somer in a vulnerable position where she was more likely to be lured is silly.

Justice for Somer is the common goal here. All opinions are needed to sort through this case. And no one is cleared, so everyone is on the table. Everyone should be examined.

doggies
12-05-2009, 12:50 AM
I, had copied this link from someone else's work-I can't take credit for it, but here is a list entitled "POLICE CODES AND ABBREVIATIONS:A NEARLY-COMPLETE LIST
http://www.apsu.edu/oconnort/polcodes.htm
May not be what will help, but may not hurt bringing it forward again. Wish I could help more.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 12:52 AM
might be hard for them to admit if they talked to him since he DOES have a warrent out for his arrest in Duval.....kinda like the car deal in the beginning.....odd....MO

A warrent that TXLE says FL does not want to extradite for. And why the he** isnt he in jail for not registering? OH.. I forgot, he is registered in a notebook somewhere. What is the car deal in the beginning?

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:52 AM
posted by shadowizar post 525 in the last thread:

I trust my source. I even trust the person who told my source, but I don't know who they spoke with related to DT which is why I said take it with a grain of salt. If you guys prefer to sit around and criticize DT's dress during the funeral and rather discuss whether she smokes pot or not as relevant information instead, then best of luck to you.

The few of you that have my number and want me to look into something for you are free to give me a ring and I'll get back with you, I'm going back to looking and talking to people around the neighborhood. The last few threads here have been just about a big waste of time.

My response:
To my knowledge no one has mentioned what DT wears, nor what she may or may not choose to smoke for several threads.

I am puzzled why this accusation continues to come up. Those topics have been dropped for a while now.

I notice that no one will mention any theory relating to DT anymore. Most likely because for some reason whenever a theory is given involving DT someone comes in to say DT is being unfairly treated. I cannot understand this. No one has been cleared. LE always looks at family and last person seen with the victim. It is logical people here would to.

I do not think DT nor ST killed Somer. I do think they both contributed to her being a vulnerable child. I think they both failed Somer.

For whatever reasons, some of which may be very legit, but ultimately neither parent was around much for Somer. Somer was 7 years old. A 7 year old wants someone to take time, play with them, sit with them and listen to all the things they have to say. They want undivided attention. 7 year olds have a lot to say. They most want this from their parents. If the parents aren't available to the child they will look elsewhere.
Both DT and ST made choices, so many choices which resulted in Somer becoming a vulnerable child, an easy target. I am not blaming anyone. I am just saying that it is logical to see this and saying so is not cruel treatment of either DT or ST.

I've been a single parent. I am not picking on DT or slaming her for being one. I know it's tough, she had a rough road. But for us to ignore the circumstances of either parent that put Somer in a vulnerable position where she was more likely to be lured is silly.

Justice for Somer is the common goal here. All opinions are needed to sort through this case. And no one is cleared, so everyone is on the table. Everyone should be examined.very well said...thank you...

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:54 AM
A warrent that TXLE says FL does not want to extradite for. And why the he** isnt he in jail for not registering? OH.. I forgot, he is registered in a notebook somewhere. What is the car deal in the beginning?you know, the car that tried to take the little girl, but didn't, a week or so before Somer was missing.....

New1
12-05-2009, 12:57 AM
Is everyone as confused as I am? No darn wonder I'm crazy! Every thing we think we have learned in this case turns out to have changed over and over again. Mistakes on the MPR then unbelievable excuses for them being on there; Somer walking home with siblings, then walking with another girl; last seen at 1080 Gano; last seen past the Gano house by the daughter of the neighbor who drove Somer to school that morning; Somer not feeling well; Somer acting normal on the way to school; 4 robbers arrested at Somer's house because one of the officers was called from Somer's house to an armed robbery and forgot to change the address on the report - which is BS because the arrest of the robbers was on a different day; And who believes that even if it happened on the same day and an officer WAS called from Somer's house, that he was the one writing the MPR? Or were they ALL writing the same report?

Everyone tells the same story on the MPR, not one contradiction, almost word for word even the exact times match everyone else's statements of what time it was. Was everyone looking at their watch while they were searching for Somer? It's enough to drive one crazy. And now we know LE is lying to us one way or the other through the statements made in the media! Contradicting themselves or outright lying. Releasing no information - saying she was tentatively identified by a birthmak on her leg and some clothing she was wearing. "Some" clothing means to me that not all of her clothing was present but they are not asking the public to look for any of the clothing Somer was wearing - only the book bag and the lunch box which may or may not exit.

LE needs to hold a press conference if only to straighten some of their mis , information out and tell us the truth. This family deserves better than this. It breaks my heart to think they may not know any more than we do, the family I mean. It is a very cruel thing to do this to them in my opinion. I don't see how any of them are sane at this point with what has to be running through their head.

And another thing, why was LE parked in DT's driveway for so long? Watching who? or protecting who? I am very sleepy and I know my train of though is probaby not good right now, and neither is my sleuthing abilities. I try really hard to come up with a workable theory, but with all the mis-information given to us by mostly LE I am getting nowhere fast, just going around in circles.

If we can't get any staight answers from LE, what change do we have being able to help find somer's killer? Doesn't it make you all want to pull your hair out?




ETA; I'm going to be now before i say some more dumb things. I'm sleepy and my head is going around in circles faster than the girl in Exercist movie.

4mer.naybor
12-05-2009, 12:58 AM
1st post....new thread.....Yay!

(also means...I got nothin!)

just saying hi...whats new?

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 12:59 AM
I swear that when all of that came out about that car.....I swear that I SAW on one of the news channels, OP Chief of Police talking about it, saying something like a notice should have been put out about it.....then all of a sudden, its nothing to worry about...the whole thing makes NO SENSE...too much makes NO SENSE!!

4mer.naybor
12-05-2009, 01:02 AM
Oh wait, I have something....not sure if it matters anymore....

DT's BIL in named....starts with S rhymes with even, and still not sure if the ex-con thing was true or not.

there's my nightly contribution. :)

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 01:03 AM
Is everyone as confused as I am? No darn wonder I'm crazy! Every thing we think we have learned in this case turns out to have changed over and over again. Mistakes on the MPR then unbelievable excuses for them being on there; Somer walking home with siblings, then walking with another girl; last seen at 1080 Gano; last seen past the Gano house by the daughter of the neighbor who drove Somer to school that morning; Somer not feeling well; Somer acting normal on the way to school; 4 robbers arrested at Somer's house because one of the officers was called from Somer's house to an armed robbery and forgot to change the address on the report - which is BS because the arrest of the robbers was on a different day; And who believes that even if it happened on the same day and an officer WAS called from Somer's house, that he was the one writing the MPR? Or were they ALL writing the same report?

Everyone tells the same story on the MPR, not one contradiction, almost word for word even the exact times match everyone else's statements of what time it was. Was everyone looking at their watch while they were searching for Somer? It's enough to drive one crazy. And now we know LE is lying to us one way or the other through the statements made in the media! Contradicting themselves or outright lying. Releasing no information - saying she was tentatively identified by a birthmak on her leg and some clothing she was wearing. "Some" clothing means to me that not all of her clothing was present but they are not asking the public to look for any of the clothing Somer was wearing - only the book bag and the lunch box which may or may not exit.

LE needs to hold a press conference if only to straighten some of their mis , information out and tell us the truth. This family deserves better than this. It breaks my heart to think they may not know any more than we do, the family I mean. It is a very cruel thing to do this to them in my opinion. I don't see how any of them are sane at this point with what has to be running through their head.

And another thing, why was LE parked in DT's driveway for so long? Watching who? or protecting who? I am very sleepy and I know my train of though is probaby not good right now, and neither is my sleuthing abilities. I try really hard to come up with a workable theory, but with all the mis-information given to us by mostly LE I am getting nowhere fast, just going around in circles.

If we can't get any staight answers from LE, what change do we have being able to help find somer's killer? Doesn't it make you all want to pull your hair out?

YES! But please refrain...Please! NO MORE BALD PEOPLE!!!!!!

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:06 AM
Oh wait, I have something....not sure if it matters anymore....

DT's BIL in named....starts with S rhymes with even, and still not sure if the ex-con thing was true or not.

there's my nightly contribution. :)YAY no more Chris's!!!

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:07 AM
your not talking LAST name are you??? please NO

ccane
12-05-2009, 01:07 AM
Sad what branch of the military was ST in?

4mer.naybor
12-05-2009, 01:10 AM
YES! But please refrain...Please! NO MORE BALD PEOPLE!!!!!!

Still off subject, but I almost screamed today as I was flippin through channels and saw that big bald guy from the jerry springer show...can't remember his name tho

:rolling:

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:11 AM
where did she go??

4mer.naybor
12-05-2009, 01:11 AM
your not talking LAST name are you??? please NO

i believe it is the first name

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 01:12 AM
Sad what branch of the military was ST in?

Army... but I have to type more... so ARMY

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:13 AM
4mer, do you know what branch of military ST was in?

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 01:14 AM
where did she go??

Who? Me? LOL

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 01:14 AM
first name S married to Denise?? Or was married to her??

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:15 AM
are they even divorced yet? no? DT and ST

4mer.naybor
12-05-2009, 01:16 AM
4mer, do you know what branch of military ST was in?

army...

and I just had the a-ha moment....the guy from jerry springer has the same name as DT's BIL omgoodness

ccane
12-05-2009, 01:16 AM
Army... but I have to type more... so ARMY

how about DT?

4mer.naybor
12-05-2009, 01:17 AM
first name S married to Denise?? Or was married to her??

1st name S married to Denise

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 01:17 AM
sad did you talk to ST today? was he able to give you a last name for the cousin with a scratch?

4mer.naybor
12-05-2009, 01:17 AM
are they even divorced yet? no? DT and ST

I don't think it is final yet

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:21 AM
so would they use the navy base for medical? here in Jax?

4mer.naybor
12-05-2009, 01:22 AM
hello? (echo, echo, echo)

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:22 AM
I do not think any Army are stationed here in Jax....I could be wrong tho...

4mer.naybor
12-05-2009, 01:23 AM
so would they use the navy base for medical? here in Jax?

yeah if that is the nearest base/ post and if she and the kids are still covered under the military...which they should be

tarabull
12-05-2009, 01:23 AM
I see there was an 18 year old charged today with having a gun on school property

C, WK (W M, 18) Arrest on chrg of Firearm On School Property (F), at 2300 Kingsley Av, Orange Park, FL, on 12/4/2009.

Wonder how often kids have guns at school?!??

4mer.naybor
12-05-2009, 01:25 AM
I do not think any Army are stationed here in Jax....I could be wrong tho...

it doesn't matter what branch you are...you sign up for the nearest military base or post to where you reside

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 01:28 AM
For those who were wondering I think DR on the MPR may mean report, daily report, maybe if CGG was designated DR and she is the one who gave info on CWG her notation is shown as DR b/c she gave that report to the officer??
Not sure. We sleuthed this a while back and I think that is what was found but I am not positive.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:29 AM
I see there was an 18 year old charged today with having a gun on school property

C, WK (W M, 18) Arrest on chrg of Firearm On School Property (F), at 2300 Kingsley Av, Orange Park, FL, on 12/4/2009.

Wonder how often kids have guns at school?!??WOW, that's a brave kid, especially since we have LE sub station right there at the school!!

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 01:30 AM
sad did you talk to ST today? was he able to give you a last name for the cousin with a scratch?

I did. But he said he doesnt know of any cousins named chris in orlando, but that doesnt mean there isnt one. He didnt know who scratch guy was.

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 01:31 AM
I see there was an 18 year old charged today with having a gun on school property

C, WK (W M, 18) Arrest on chrg of Firearm On School Property (F), at 2300 Kingsley Av, Orange Park, FL, on 12/4/2009.

Wonder how often kids have guns at school?!??

More often than I am comfortable with. It's getting crazy how often these things happen.

Is this the addy to the JHS or the HS, I can't remember.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:32 AM
I think I have to go with ccane on the DR.......dental records makes more sense to me, considering CGG works at the base where the records are kept.....MO....as far as CWG...I think it is just plain ole BS what they are saying about it being mistaken identity..MO

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 01:32 AM
I did. But he said he doesnt know of any cousins named chris in orlando, but that doesnt mean there isnt one. He didnt know who scratch guy was.

Just trying to get this straight.

So ST looked at the pic of scratch guy and could not identify him as a member of DT's family?

ETA: I am just trying to clarify, not draw any conclusions.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:33 AM
More often than I am comfortable with. It's getting crazy how often these things happen.

Is this the addy to the JHS or the HS, I can't remember.this is the High School....jr high is on Gano

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:34 AM
Just trying to get this straight.

So ST looked at the pic of scratch guy and could not identify him as a member of DT's family?where can I see a pic of the "scratch guy"?

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 01:36 AM
where can I see a pic of the "scratch guy"?

Scratch guy is the guy from the vigils, he was at the funeral. We thought he was DT's sister's husband. Now a poster claiming to know DT very well says he's not, he is a cousin from Orlando, named Chris, but we have no last name. Poster providing info had no last name.

tarabull
12-05-2009, 01:37 AM
where can I see a pic of the "scratch guy"?
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/st-thursenlargedx2.jpg

4mer.naybor
12-05-2009, 01:38 AM
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/st-thursenlargedx2.jpg

oh jaysus he's an ugly one lol


that is quite the scratch tho isn't it?

tarabull
12-05-2009, 01:39 AM
well cam, it seems fresh that's for dayum sure.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 01:41 AM
My computer is tickin me off!!! TOO SLOW. DT and ST are not divorced yet. Hearing soon. ST was in Army and I think DT was in Air Force. ST looked at pics and doesnt know scratch guy, but said he didnt know alot of DT's family in FL. And he also said he didnt recognize some of the people at the funeral that he did know until they talked to him, it had been so long. (yes, btw, there were some of her family that were nice to him) He is getting better every day and looking forward to seeing his kids soon. Thats all I have on the ST report.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:42 AM
thanks tara!! I saw that guy still there at the house the last time I went by the memorial tree....Isn't he the one that said something like "an eye for an eye"? Isn't he the one that walks out with DT in one of her news pressers with DT's mom, then backs off in a weird kind of way when DT's dad steps in???

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 01:43 AM
I think I have to go with ccane on the DR.......dental records makes more sense to me, considering CGG works at the base where the records are kept.....MO....as far as CWG...I think it is just plain ole BS what they are saying about it being mistaken identity..MO

Wouldnt dental records be noted somewhere else other than the missing person report? Like a medical examiner report?

zannah
12-05-2009, 01:45 AM
In a series of bizarre coincidences, I found an RSO (kidnapping charge) tonight who is a dead ringer for the scratch guy--even appears to be the right height. Funny thing is he shares a last name with witnesses from the neighborhood, lives in ST's neck of the woods, has tattoos of "bones," and apparently accidentally shot himself today although he originally reported that a guy in a red truck did it.
http://www.heraldsun.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Officer-+-Victim-+shot+himself%20&id=4514463
http://sexoffender.ncdoj.gov/details.aspx?SRN=010833S5

Correction--looks like the shooting was a couple of weeks ago--story is headlined today, but says it's from 17 days ago.

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 01:45 AM
thanks tara!! I saw that guy still there at the house the last time I went by the memorial tree....Isn't he the one that said something like "an eye for an eye"? Isn't he the one that walks out with DT in one of her news pressers with DT's mom, then backs off in a weird kind of way when DT's dad steps in???

How long ago did you still see him there?

cianne
12-05-2009, 01:46 AM
List of FACTS in Somer's case: Version VI


thank you, tricia! i have been so lost with this case that i gave up trying to figure out what everyone was talking about. this helped get me back on track. :)

tarabull
12-05-2009, 01:48 AM
thanks tara!! I saw that guy still there at the house the last time I went by the memorial tree....Isn't he the one that said something like "an eye for an eye"? Isn't he the one that walks out with DT in one of her news pressers with DT's mom, then backs off in a weird kind of way when DT's dad steps in???

NP cam :)

I don't recall him speaking but that doesn't mean he hasn't....

Funny you say - he seemed to have backed off when DT's dad stepped in - cuz whoever said he's related to DT also said he's related thru her dad's side IIRC.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 01:48 AM
thanks tara!! I saw that guy still there at the house the last time I went by the memorial tree....Isn't he the one that said something like "an eye for an eye"? Isn't he the one that walks out with DT in one of her news pressers with DT's mom, then backs off in a weird kind of way when DT's dad steps in???

That b the one. The pic with the one eye showing from behind DT, just creeps me. heebeegeebees. Everyone else is looking in another direction, but his one eye is staring straight at camera.

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 01:49 AM
In a series of bizarre coincidences, I found an RSO (kidnapping charge) tonight who is a dead ringer for the scratch guy--even appears to be the right height. Funny thing is he shares a last name with witnesses from the neighborhood, lives in ST's neck of the woods, has tattoos of "bones," and apparently accidentally shot himself today although he originally reported that a guy in a red truck did it.
http://www.heraldsun.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Officer-+-Victim-+shot+himself%20&id=4514463
http://sexoffender.ncdoj.gov/details.aspx?SRN=010833S5

Scratch guy's skin looks like more of an olive complexion to me than this guy's, what do you think?

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:49 AM
In a series of bizarre coincidences, I found an RSO (kidnapping charge) tonight who is a dead ringer for the scratch guy--even appears to be the right height. Funny thing is he shares a last name with witnesses from the neighborhood, lives in ST's neck of the woods, has tattoos of "bones," and apparently accidentally shot himself today although he originally reported that a guy in a red truck did it.
http://www.heraldsun.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Officer-+-Victim-+shot+himself%20&id=4514463
http://sexoffender.ncdoj.gov/details.aspx?SRN=010833S5Orange County is the ORLANDO area, no??

4mer.naybor
12-05-2009, 01:50 AM
In a series of bizarre coincidences, I found an RSO (kidnapping charge) tonight who is a dead ringer for the scratch guy--even appears to be the right height. Funny thing is he shares a last name with witnesses from the neighborhood, lives in ST's neck of the woods, has tattoos of "bones," and apparently accidentally shot himself today although he originally reported that a guy in a red truck did it.
http://www.heraldsun.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Officer-+-Victim-+shot+himself%20&id=4514463
http://sexoffender.ncdoj.gov/details.aspx?SRN=010833S5


i dont think its the same guy...the nose and lips are wrong....good work tho


stupid criminals....shooting themselves :doh:

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 01:52 AM
NP cam :)

I don't recall him speaking but that doesn't mean he hasn't....

Funny you say - he seemed to backed off when DT's dad stepped in - cuz whoever said he's related to DT also said he's related thru her dad's side IIRC.

That's what they said.

zannah
12-05-2009, 01:54 AM
Orange County is the ORLANDO area, no??

There's an Orange County, NC too.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:54 AM
How long ago did you still see him there?Oh gosh....maybe the last week in Oct, first week in Nov....that day that I drove over 100 miles....remember??? LOL

txsvicki
12-05-2009, 01:54 AM
oh jaysus he's an ugly one lol


that is quite the scratch tho isn't it?

In one of the pics, there was also something red like big scratches or abrasions just above and below the bend of the elbow on the right arm. I could see it on my computer and Dr. Fessel also was able to see it.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:55 AM
There's an Orange County, NC too.LOL...I see that now....LOL had me goin....

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 01:56 AM
You'd think scratch guy would have a job or go to school and wouldn't be hangin' out at the house for a week or two later, right?

How far is Orlando from Jax?

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:57 AM
NP cam :)

I don't recall him speaking but that doesn't mean he hasn't....

Funny you say - he seemed to have backed off when DT's dad stepped in - cuz whoever said he's related to DT also said he's related thru her dad's side IIRC.well if he hasn't spoken on camera, then I heard him say it while I was there.....I know I heard him say it

houndstooth
12-05-2009, 01:58 AM
How long ago did you still see him there?

Are you saying scratch guy is STILL hanging around? Well, next time you see him, go to the tree/memorial, take out you cellphone camera and take a picture of it and accidentally on purpose get a shot of him or two in the frame!

OOPS! I am telling this to Cam, but echoing your question, Share, Thank You.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 01:59 AM
there was still a lot of folks hanging around the home when I went by there...no wonder LE is parked outside...for sure they are watching this guy....I watched him as he carried food in that was being delivered, he is a little gopher...run run run.....was always on the move....MO

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 01:59 AM
In a series of bizarre coincidences, I found an RSO (kidnapping charge) tonight who is a dead ringer for the scratch guy--even appears to be the right height. Funny thing is he shares a last name with witnesses from the neighborhood, lives in ST's neck of the woods, has tattoos of "bones," and apparently accidentally shot himself today although he originally reported that a guy in a red truck did it.
http://www.heraldsun.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Officer-+-Victim-+shot+himself%20&id=4514463
http://sexoffender.ncdoj.gov/details.aspx?SRN=010833S5

Correction--looks like the shooting was a couple of weeks ago--story is headlined today, but says it's from 17 days ago.

Does anyone else hear music? Like Twilight zone music? This is so weird..

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 02:01 AM
let me check the pics that I took last time...I think I even set the date right on my camera for that day....LOL....brb

zannah
12-05-2009, 02:04 AM
You couldn't make this stuff up.

I'll tell you my initial reaction to scratch guy on the video though--the way he was eyeballing everything, the way he stood, etc., I was wondering if he wasn't undercover LE or bodyguard or something. He reminded me of those guys with the earpieces who are watching everything when some celebrity is making an appearance. Not sure I'm buying the cousin story.

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 02:05 AM
zannah you hit the nail on the head.

This entire case is a series of bizzare coincidences.

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 02:06 AM
You couldn't make this stuff up.

I'll tell you my initial reaction to scratch guy on the video though--the way he was eyeballing everything, the way he stood, etc., I was wondering if he wasn't undercover LE or bodyguard or something. He reminded me of those guys with the earpieces who are watching everything when some celebrity is making an appearance. Not sure I'm buying the cousin story.

And if he's not LE and is watching everything, why is he?

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 02:07 AM
I've GOT ONE!!!!! Let me zoom it in first then upload it again, then I will try to post it....Nov 6th

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 02:09 AM
I've GOT ONE!!!!! Let me zoom it in first then upload it again, then I will try to post it....Nov 6th

Cam you ROCK! And Nov. 6 holy moly, he was still there then!

ETA: Funeral was 10/27. This was 10 days later. Why would he still be there?

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 02:09 AM
You'd think scratch guy would have a job or go to school and wouldn't be hangin' out at the house for a week or two later, right?

How far is Orlando from Jax? 3 1/2 hours or so from OP to disney for me.

Chili Fries
12-05-2009, 02:09 AM
I think DR probably means departmental report.

I guessed that scratch guy was a cousin before the poster showed up to say he was. At the daytime outdoor press conference the way he stayed close to DT's parents made me think that he was a relative on their side of the family and reminded me of how my cousin is close to my parents.

Good call by Noway figuring that CGG was the one to mistakenly ID CWG.

Noway
12-05-2009, 02:11 AM
Quote:

List of FACTS in Somer's case: Version VI

thank you, tricia! i have been so lost with this case that i gave up trying to figure out what everyone was talking about. this helped get me back on track. :)

You are welcome. And, um, you may still be lost since ther is NO WAY my name is Tricia.

But the good news is that it is not Chris either and I'm not bald. :)

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 02:11 AM
Cam you ROCK! And Nov. 6 holy moly, he was still there then!

Yes YOU DO!!!!!!!

zannah
12-05-2009, 02:12 AM
Well, folks who are actually on the scene would have a much better take on him. I have nothing but pix and video to go on since I'm not local.

human
12-05-2009, 02:14 AM
In a series of bizarre coincidences, I found an RSO (kidnapping charge) tonight who is a dead ringer for the scratch guy--even appears to be the right height. Funny thing is he shares a last name with witnesses from the neighborhood, lives in ST's neck of the woods, has tattoos of "bones," and apparently accidentally shot himself today although he originally reported that a guy in a red truck did it.
http://www.heraldsun.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Officer-+-Victim-+shot+himself%20&id=4514463
http://sexoffender.ncdoj.gov/details.aspx?SRN=010833S5

Correction--looks like the shooting was a couple of weeks ago--story is headlined today, but says it's from 17 days ago.

I think this is interesting because he does have an interesting last name. Perhaps he was visiting in the neighborhood?

Although it doesn't appear to be listed on the mug shot, it looks to me like he has tear drops tattooed by his eye. I have heard 2 explanations for those. 1. signifies your kills 2. signifies a fallen comrade. A sympathy tat.

I'm not against the uncle for a POI, but I am wondering how he would have had the time. Or do you feel from the report we really can't ascertain that he was home meeting the niece?

Or does it matter? Maybe tomorrow we will read that the uncle was reporting from his villa in France.

I wonder if the shooting kid at the high school lives close to Somer or if he could have friends close to Somer. Bringing a gun to school indicates something very wrong there.

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 02:16 AM
Well, folks who are actually on the scene would have a much better take on him. I have nothing but pix and video to go on since I'm not local.

That's all I've got too.
I was just saying you hit the nail on the head with your series of bizarre coincidences. That sums up this case perfectly.

Noway
12-05-2009, 02:16 AM
LOL @ Scratch Guy. In the video when he steps close to Diena and then moves out of the way of her dad ... I thought he was the only one who didn't get his cue right on where they were going to stand.

I don't know if it was this same video, but there is one when there is a kid about 12 walking behind the family and sticking his head through and grinning. I kept shouting at my computer for him to get out of there and show some respect. It was a press conference for a missing/murdered little girl, not an interview of an athlete after a game.

Did anyone see that video or is it one of my (many) hallucinations?

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 02:21 AM
I think this is interesting because he does have an interesting last name. Perhaps he was visiting in the neighborhood?

Although it doesn't appear to be listed on the mug shot, it looks to me like he has tear drops tattooed by his eye. I have heard 2 explanations for those. 1. signifies your kills 2. signifies a fallen comrade. A sympathy tat.

I'm not against the uncle for a POI, but I am wondering how he would have had the time. Or do you feel from the report we really can't ascertain that he was home meeting the niece?

Or does it matter? Maybe tomorrow we will read that the uncle was reporting from his villa in France.

I wonder if the shooting kid at the high school lives close to Somer or if he could have friends close to Somer. Bringing a gun to school indicates something very wrong there.

I don't know if the uncle was waiting for the niece. I couldn't determine that from the article. But maybe I've missed something. It wouldn't be the first time, LOL.

ETA: ooops forgot to mention I noticed what appeared to be the tear tat under the eye right away. I looked over the sheet 4 times looking for a mention of it. Weird that it would be left off the description, right?

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 02:21 AM
LOL @ Scratch Guy. In the video when he steps close to Diena and then moves out of the way of her dad ... I thought he was the only one who didn't get his cue right on where they were going to stand.

I don't know if it was this same video, but there is one when there is a kid about 12 walking behind the family and sticking his head through and grinning. I kept shouting at my computer for him to get out of there and show some respect. It was a press conference for a missing/murdered little girl, not an interview of an athlete after a game.

Did anyone see that video or is it one of my (many) hallucinations?

We share so many hallucinations, its scary.

Noway
12-05-2009, 02:23 AM
We share so many hallucinations, its scary.

LOL ... let me tell you ... the one place you don't want to be is in my head!

Chili Fries
12-05-2009, 02:24 AM
[quote=camcneishg;4526093]now that I have zoomed in on this one, I am thinking it may be SP....you guys decide.

Too old.

zannah
12-05-2009, 02:24 AM
That's all I've got too.
I was just saying you hit the nail on the head with your series of bizarre coincidences. That sums up this case perfectly.

I think some of it has to do with the way google turns things up depending on what words you search for. You could probably find a connection between mongooses, the pope and a peanut butter sandwich if you used the right search terms, but it wouldn't necessarily mean anything.

This is a very strange case though-propably because LE is playing it so close to the vest for now.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 02:24 AM
either way, I know I saw this scratch guy there when I went.....

Noway
12-05-2009, 02:25 AM
Cam, all I can say is that I don't think it is Scratch Guy aka Cousin Chris.

But I don't think it looks like Sean either. But he seems to change from picture to picture (or maybe my contacts need cleaning).

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 02:25 AM
I'm gonna do some more zooming....I might lighten it some too and get that shadow out of the way....brb

SharetheLight
12-05-2009, 02:29 AM
[quote=camcneishg;4526093]now that I have zoomed in on this one, I am thinking it may be SP....you guys decide..

I think scratch guy had more facial hair, but he could have shaved? This guy also looks more fair than scratch guy, but it's hard to tell.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 02:30 AM
Chili.. too old to be scratch guy or SP? IDK.

Cam.. you do rock! Thanks for sharing.

Noway
12-05-2009, 02:31 AM
LOL ... I was just thinking Cam was going to get alternating posts of "It's him!" and "Doesn't look a thing like him!" "Ears too big!" "Ears too small" etc.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 02:37 AM
you have to consider that this guy was in the very bottom right corner of a big pic, this is the best I can do with this one.....I need to make another trip soon, but gas and funds are tight for me, so I can't do it for a few weeks at best.....but hey, I tried.....

Chili Fries
12-05-2009, 02:37 AM
[quote=camcneishg;4526119]I think it is SP...ote]

He does look a lot different zoomed in. Maybe it's my eyes that are too old.
Can you refresh me about just where this picture is from. TIA.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 02:40 AM
He does look a lot different zoomed in. Maybe it's my eyes that are too old.
Can you refresh me about just where this picture is from. TIA.it is from my camera! LOL...he is sitting out front of Somer's home here.

zannah
12-05-2009, 02:41 AM
My guess would be SP, but I'm not exactly great at identifying people. If I could just locate free downloadable face recognition software, I'd be all set . . .

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 02:42 AM
Actually I was taking a pic of the new banner, and when I just looked for you guys I saw this guy sitting there, so I thought it was who we were talking about....but now that I have zoomed and zoomed some more, I think it might be SP....I don't know, what are your takes on it??

houndstooth
12-05-2009, 02:44 AM
it is from my camera! LOL...he is sitting out front of Somer's home here.

Not Scratch Guy. But, even before you said it, my first thought......that ole chameleon, SP.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 02:45 AM
should I delete these pics off of here? I do not want to get into trouble......

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 02:49 AM
Im thinking SP too..

Hey cam, maybe we can meet and both take pics, I need to redo my botched video too!

human
12-05-2009, 02:54 AM
Where are we with Mr. Tight Jeans? He sounds weird enough for me.

And could one of the locals check to see what kind of ceiling is in the OPAA bathroom to see if something could have been hidden in the ceiling or anywhere else in there?

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 02:58 AM
Where are we with Mr. Tight Jeans? He sounds weird enough for me.

And could one of the locals check to see what kind of ceiling is in the OPAA bathroom to see if something could have been hidden in the ceiling or anywhere else in there?human, I am sorry that I have not done this like I said I would.....I will get up there one day.....Share the light and Chili, would you both please delete those posts with the pics? TIA

houndstooth
12-05-2009, 02:58 AM
Where are we with Mr. Tight Jeans? He sounds weird enough for me.

And could one of the locals check to see what kind of ceiling is in the OPAA bathroom to see if something could have been hidden in the ceiling or anywhere else in there?

In the movies it's usually under the tank lid.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 03:00 AM
I am going to bed now all.....this time for sure....blessings...

human
12-05-2009, 03:01 AM
human, I am sorry that I have not done this like I said I would.....I will get up there one day.....Share the light and Chili, would you both please delete those posts with the pics? TIA


I know that you are working your new job, so I was hoping anyone that lives there would do it. There are others, I think, that are local on WS as well.

But some of them seem to hit and run, so I don't know how much I would trust a report from one of them.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 03:04 AM
I will be back in OP next week.. so I can go on the wkend. I already have the bathroom on my list. My problem is my car... its not a very good incognito car. So I do better walking my dog. Thats the plan. Also I wanna check out the addys for RSO's by the shortcut. Just to see if it looks like anyone lives there. Pls give me any directions on what you want me to look at/take pics of. Maybe gano house wont be on such a close watch anymore too. The tape is gone. Wonder how to sleuth dogs that had pups in that neighorhood around october 19th? I will come and get ya cam if you wanna go with! OH.. and its a big deal to me... ITS SNOWING!!!!!

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 03:06 AM
sad, I would love to, but my mommy always taught me not to take rides from people off the internet....kwim.....
I LOVE SNOW!! I am jealous!!.

zannah
12-05-2009, 03:07 AM
Oh, I have a possible for Mr. Tight Jeans . . . just not sure how to post it without violating TOS. Try 2nd name from bottom on this--then google for MS page--should be 2nd search result. If something I'm posting is a no-no, please tell me--total newbie.

http://www.peekyou.com/work/crazy%20horse/

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 03:07 AM
Where are we with Mr. Tight Jeans? He sounds weird enough for me.

And could one of the locals check to see what kind of ceiling is in the OPAA bathroom to see if something could have been hidden in the ceiling or anywhere else in there?

I got ya, human. No problem, as soon as I get back! Im gonna go to crazy horse too and ask around about mr tight jeans.

camcneishg
12-05-2009, 03:11 AM
from Key West?

zannah
12-05-2009, 03:13 AM
That seems to be where he is now, but hometown shows as JAX.

houndstooth
12-05-2009, 03:15 AM
I got ya, human. No problem, as soon as I get back! Im gonna go to crazy horse too and ask around about mr tight jeans.

Why? What if he's there? What can you say? Remember that time.....

Don't you believe the detective? Is he a CCSO guy, that gave you his card, (like in the movies, again) and said, "If you can think of anything else, give me a call." Or what? Is he one you have talked to in the past, or just a different one every time.

zannah
12-05-2009, 03:16 AM
What freaked me was what he wrote under "who I'd like to meet."

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 03:19 AM
I will check out mr tight jeans as zannah posted tomorrow... goodnite all..

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 03:23 AM
Why? What if he's there? What can you say? Remember that time.....

Don't you believe the detective? Is he a CCSO guy, that gave you his card, (like in the movies, again) and said, "If you can think of anything else, give me a call." Or what? Is he one you have talked to in the past, or just a different one every time. I believe what he said about mr tight jeans, yes. Different one every time. Last one said he is in charge of RSO's cause initial call was about CWG. I will wing it, and I wont go alone. No worries...

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 03:31 AM
What freaked me was what he wrote under "who I'd like to meet."

Creepy for real!!!! EWWWWW. WTH? Dayhm.. crazy. But its not him!

zannah
12-05-2009, 03:35 AM
I'm glad it's not--gave me the willies. With all the weird stuff I've come across looking at this case, I'm gonna look at people a lot differently than I used to . . .

txsvicki
12-05-2009, 03:44 AM
Can anyone tell me where to find the 3 pics of the scratch guy that are all together ? I've lost track of which thread and who posted them.

human
12-05-2009, 04:14 AM
What freaked me was what he wrote under "who I'd like to meet."

Did you look at the pics, like with his Dad on Christmas? How about the blog? I am totally freaked.

human
12-05-2009, 04:30 AM
This guy also rides motorcycles.

Lipin One
12-05-2009, 09:48 AM
For what it's worth, there is some discussion about the uncle of Somer's friend on Thread 16 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91243) if anyone is interested in reading.

ETA

LOL just found where MommaD and I were discussing my shortcut theory.

You know, it was obvious the AMW show on Somer was made in a hurry and airtime was just under five minutes... shame on them. The case of the murderous wife took them the first quarter of the show... and they even have an idea where she is at.

But anyway, one thing I remember seeing was John ask the detective something (was non-audible) and the detective nods and runs his finger right along Arbor Circle.

Not that it means much, but at least we know that the detectives have considered the possibility of she taking that shortcut.

Well, at least I want to think they did.

:)

Lipin One
12-05-2009, 10:07 AM
I swear that when all of that came out about that car.....I swear that I SAW on one of the news channels, OP Chief of Police talking about it, saying something like a notice should have been put out about it.....then all of a sudden, its nothing to worry about...the whole thing makes NO SENSE...too much makes NO SENSE!!

It's simple.

The LE officers involved in the incident came forth, and admitted they were the ones, that there was no abduction attempt, that the girl just fell (when she almost got run over by a van) and they wanted to help.

LE kept it quiet right after, maybe the agents were on an undercover sting (lotsa drugs in the area I hear) and didn't want to blow their cover.

Then under pressure LE admitted the situation to the public.

I believe it.

Though, I KNOW that sometimes some LE officers may get tempted to do bad things. I would imagine the worst could've been they trying to scare the heck out of the poor little girl.

Lipin One
12-05-2009, 10:14 AM
oh jaysus he's an ugly one lol


that is quite the scratch tho isn't it?

It would HELP us a bit if we knew when that picture was taken.

Was the picture taken before Somer's disappearance, right after, or a few weeks later?

By the size of it, if it was a FRESH scratch, it would be bloody and very deep.
IMO

Cheewawa007
12-05-2009, 10:59 AM
you have to consider that this guy was in the very bottom right corner of a big pic, this is the best I can do with this one.....I need to make another trip soon, but gas and funds are tight for me, so I can't do it for a few weeks at best.....but hey, I tried.....

Cam, I know I speak for everyone when I say thank you for your trips and pics from Orange Park. You have gone way above and beyond the call and it is appreciated!!! You definitely are the super duper sleuther trooper of the Somer Renee Thompson thread. You give us factual information in the form of pictures that we can interpret for ourselves and form our own opinions. Thank you my friend!!!!

4mer.naybor
12-05-2009, 11:23 AM
It would HELP us a bit if we knew when that picture was taken.

Was the picture taken before Somer's disappearance, right after, or a few weeks later?

By the size of it, if it was a FRESH scratch, it would be bloody and very deep.
IMO

it appears to be right after the body was found....I have to look at the video of DT's "we'll coming for you" speech....I think he is in it and wearing that shirt

4mer.naybor
12-05-2009, 11:35 AM
okay yep it was that day he is behind her and off to the side....wearing that shirt...he's kinda shady ya?

I took another look at the enlarged pic....now maybe its the shadowing, lighting, or something, but does it appear to anyone else like he also has bruising around the eyes, cheekbones, and possibly the nose?


after looking up the date of that video: well if somer was taken and killed on monday the 19th, the date of the video is the 23rd....that scratch looks about right for that time span...not bloody fresh, but certainly not healed.....and same thing goes for bruising if that is what I am seeing in the pic (maybe its my eyes playing tricks on me) idk

Cheewawa007
12-05-2009, 11:36 AM
I know that you are working your new job, so I was hoping anyone that lives there would do it. There are others, I think, that are local on WS as well.

But some of them seem to hit and run, so I don't know how much I would trust a report from one of them.

Hey human, I live about 11 miles from there, but I work & by the time I get off it's dark. Sad & Shadowizar, don't you live near the neighborhood?

Noway
12-05-2009, 12:14 PM
Could the scratch be a scar? He's right there with the family and so is LE. If they haven't noticed the alleged bruising and scratching under their nose ... well I'd lose faith in them pretty fast.

Lipin One
12-05-2009, 12:41 PM
it appears to be right after the body was found....I have to look at the video of DT's "we'll coming for you" speech....I think he is in it and wearing that shirt

Thanks. I'm not trying to exclude him, just musing to get to the bottom of it, I guess.

I think that if it's a bruise, then it's possible it could've happened a few days before. But, a large scratch would still be healing a few days later.

I'm no medical expert, but it's common sense. Unless it was very superficial, but in that case I don't think it could've been caused by a tiny little 7 year old fingernails.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 12:46 PM
You know, it was obvious the AMW show on Somer was made in a hurry and airtime was just under five minutes... shame on them. The case of the murderous wife took them the first quarter of the show... and they even have an idea where she is at.

But anyway, one thing I remember seeing was John ask the detective something (was non-audible) and the detective nods and runs his finger right along Arbor Circle.

Not that it means much, but at least we know that the detectives have considered the possibility of she taking that shortcut.

Well, at least I want to think they did.

:)

I dont see any way they couldnt know, its just too obvious. I think they just dont want the public to know.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 12:49 PM
Hey human, I live about 11 miles from there, but I work & by the time I get off it's dark. Sad & Shadowizar, don't you live near the neighborhood?

I do. But Im out of town. I will be back next week.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 12:52 PM
Hello all,
Every morning when I come online I an hopeful that an arrest has been made. Patience. Right?

NSC
12-05-2009, 01:09 PM
Just curious what the intials are for tight jeans guy - wanted to see if I was looking at the correct thing. Great Work everyone - nice to come back to this thread and see progress being made and not all the bantering :)

human
12-05-2009, 01:14 PM
I've been meditating about the tote and the lunchbox.

Somer walks a mile home from school. Of course, we have no idea if it was everyday, or just some days because the neighbor drove the kids home or whatever.

But, a mile is a LOOOOOOONG way for a little kid to walk.

I just changed jobs this year and I had my daughter make me a tote to carry things in it such as papers and notebooks. I love the fabric.

I have to carry it one block from the parking lot to the building where I work. I wish that I had a back pack instead of a tote that I carry because it's a nightmare, even for that short distance.

I think carrying something like was listed for Somer would be very difficult, because even in first grade here, they get homework on top of carrying the lunch box back in the tote.

I can see her going someplace to take a little sit down break because of having to haul that tote around (if it exists).

Noway
12-05-2009, 01:15 PM
I think the man thought to be Mr. TJ was CW on the links I followed. But didn't Sadnpod said it was not Mr. TJ after all?

Noway
12-05-2009, 01:19 PM
Interesting point about the tote.

I'm not sure how tall Somer was since I've seen her height listed as 3'5", 3'7" and 4'5" but for my daughter who is 3'4" ... it is hard for her to carry a tote because it hits her leg as she walks.

While I don't think Somer would have much homework in first grade, there would be papers and papers to bring home (just my personal experience which may not apply in FL) ... and I agree, unless the straps are just right for the person, totes can be a pain in the behind.

human
12-05-2009, 01:21 PM
I think the man thought to be Mr. TJ was CW on the links I followed. But didn't Sadnpod said it was not Mr. TJ after all?

She said it wasn't. But there are some red flags for me. Where has he been for most of his life as the job history just starts a couple of years ago and he sure moves around a lot.

Cheewawa007
12-05-2009, 01:28 PM
Just curious what the intials are for tight jeans guy - wanted to see if I was looking at the correct thing. Great Work everyone - nice to come back to this thread and see progress being made and not all the bantering :)

Hello NCS - long time no see!!! How in the heck have you been? I've missed not seeing you around.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 01:35 PM
I personally like "mr scratch guy" and Mr Tight jeans, as names for these too since its possible that they are both more "C"'s. A break from initals is nice. That CW is not mr tight jeans, but he is still hinky and since he worked at crazy horse in jax, there is a connection, at least iwannano said she/he and DT have been there. I think probably quite a lot more than occasionally since mr tight jeans got all worked up enough to do what he did. So I agree that this CW should also be looked at. HInky and I wonder when he left jax for the keys? KWIM?

houndstooth
12-05-2009, 01:36 PM
Interesting point about the tote.

I'm not sure how tall Somer was since I've seen her height listed as 3'5", 3'7" and 4'5" but for my daughter who is 3'4" ... it is hard for her to carry a tote because it hits her leg as she walks.

While I don't think Somer would have much homework in first grade, there would be papers and papers to bring home (just my personal experience which may not apply in FL) ... and I agree, unless the straps are just right for the person, totes can be a pain in the behind.

I've thought that all along since it was called "a tote". The whole idea of one is it being an oversized bag. If made for an adult and not a kid, it would be awkward. A backpack is usually chosen because they are just easier for travel, cause the weight isn't hanging off one shoulder. It would be completely impractical. As a side note of other inconsistancies, how come she is said to be a first grader and second grader depending on the news source. Can nothing AT ALL be reported in this story without a contradiction somewhere?? Thanks. Sorry for the rant. It isn't pointed at you guys.

Cheewawa007
12-05-2009, 01:39 PM
I got a sense of hope from the statement on the news last week stating the LE is expecting results from the lab to be in by the end of the month. Possibly these results are what is needed to seal the deal. In regards to searching this electrician's old white Merita truck & the LE calling HIM - how would they know his phone number? Wouldn't they just go to his place of residence and search his truck? Why call and give him a heads up you want to talk with him? KWIM? Acting on a tip you say? I think the FBI & the LE have the technology available to search a phone number for a name & address.

houndstooth
12-05-2009, 01:40 PM
I personally like "mr scratch guy" and Mr Tight jeans, as names for these too since its possible that they are both more "C"'s. A break from initals is nice. That CW is not mr tight jeans, but he is still hinky and since he worked at crazy horse in jax, there is a connection, at least iwannano said she/he and DT have been there. I think probably quite a lot more than occasionally since mr tight jeans got all worked up enough to do what he did. So I agree that this CW should also be looked at. HInky and I wonder when he left jax for the keys? KWIM?

The comments left on his SPACE say they were there from at least early summer.

ETA: Meaning him and his super model girlfriend

human
12-05-2009, 02:19 PM
The comments left on his SPACE say they were there from at least early summer.

ETA: Meaning him and his super model girlfriend


Did you read the comments from his cell or Twitter or whatever they were? I think his super model girlfriend was only Cyber and he had some really nasty things to say about her.

And then there was the blog about the other girlfriend. Really, he's thirty, not 15. Does it seem right that a 30 year old would have or leave that on their site?

He also doesn't really have a lot of friends on his MS. Because he's a bar tender, I would imagine him to have tons of superficial friends on his MS. IMO.

MS is passe now, according to my kids. Everyone is into Facebook. I have more friends on my Facebook than he has on his MS . I see on Facebook that most people have at least a hundred "friends". I don't see that he has a Facebook that I can find.

He did work at the OP Crazy Horse. Seems like his work history changes around October as he has it listed.

Am I right in the new Crazy Horse is on Wells and that is close to Somer?

Mr. Tight Jeans seems to fit a lot with his crazy antics. And seriously, hot guys don't wear Wranglers, unless they are considered cool at the Crazy Horse. Western and all. Mr. Tight Jeans is not the guy I'm talking about in my above comments. We have no clue of his name at this point.

houndstooth
12-05-2009, 02:28 PM
I have no earthly clue why we are talking about this Chris guy. Not to be confused with the other Chris guy, not to be confused with Scratch Guy?!!!

Cheewawa007
12-05-2009, 02:31 PM
Several of my cats have suddenly come up missing within the past 3 weeks. I have cried every day for the past week because I know they are not coming back. Either a neighbor hauled them off, poisoned them or shot them. These cats have been living outside for 3 years & always stay around my home. They are spayed & neutered & never leave - not even for a day. I look at all of my neighbors knowing one of them is probably responsible for the demise of my furry friends. I cry, get mad, get excited to know there are laws protecting animals & justice can be served if I find who did it. I look at all neighbors as the guilty party. I know most people think & say I should have kept the cats indoors if I loved them & didn't want anything happening to them. I shouldn't have let them roam outside because they could walk on the neighbors' property, etc... but I didn't. Doesn't mean I was a bad caregiver - I fed them twice a day & gave them shelter from the weather. They are feral cats that I have paid to spay, neuter, get rabies vaccine & worm. I can't imagine what poor Diena must be going through... God Bless her; for the loss she has suffered and for the way she is judged.

houndstooth
12-05-2009, 02:37 PM
O/T
Chee that is so sad. I have one cat now, too. Cause I lost one of my favorite furry buddies the same way last year. I can so relate. But, cats need their space. Their life is built around being who they are which is little private investigators, inside and out. You did a wonderful, and good thing for them. Somebody else is just a rotton soul.
Lots and lots of them, here and there and everywhere, it seems.

Noway
12-05-2009, 02:57 PM
Good idea to not quote the photo part of someone's post ... and you only have 24 hours to edit those posts so that makes it hard sometimes.

Quote the text and note that you omitted the photo. We'll get it ... and if anyone doesn't we can explain why.

Gotta dash now. BBL I hope.

human
12-05-2009, 02:59 PM
I have no earthly clue why we are talking about this Chris guy. Not to be confused with the other Chris guy, not to be confused with Scratch Guy?!!!

He was a bartender at the Crazy Horse in OP. This latest one was found to be working there by a sleuther here. It appears he may be in the Keys now. He has ties to the area of OP and he lists Jacksonville as his home. Seriously, people don't want it to be the family, they don't want it to be CWG, they don't want it to be the workers at Gano, they don't want it to be the garbage man. It has to be somebody, so I have to look at people who could fit the profile of possibilities.

Mr. Tight Jeans had totally inappropriate behavior at the funeral. He also is a bartender at the Crazy Horse, apparently presently. IF his name is Chris, no one has found Tight Jeans name as working at Crazy Horse.

New1
12-05-2009, 03:12 PM
Several of my cats have suddenly come up missing within the past 3 weeks. I have cried every day for the past week because I know they are not coming back. Either a neighbor hauled them off, poisoned them or shot them. These cats have been living outside for 3 years & always stay around my home. They are spayed & neutered & never leave - not even for a day. I look at all of my neighbors knowing one of them is probably responsible for the demise of my furry friends. I cry, get mad, get excited to know there are laws protecting animals & justice can be served if I find who did it. I look at all neighbors as the guilty party. I know most people think & say I should have kept the cats indoors if I loved them & didn't want anything happening to them. I shouldn't have let them roam outside because they could walk on the neighbors' property, etc... but I didn't. Doesn't mean I was a bad caregiver - I fed them twice a day & gave them shelter from the weather. They are feral cats that I have paid to spay, neuter, get rabies vaccine & worm. I can't imagine what poor Diena must be going through... God Bless her; for the loss she has suffered and for the way she is judged.

So sorry about your cats. I hope you find out who did this and I hope your prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. I had a stray dog come up to my house and I just couldn't bear not to feed her. Since I had 2 other dogs, I couldn't afford another one so we were going to take her to the Humane Society, but some of our low-life neighbors poisoned her before we got around to taking her to the pound. I am an animal lover and I wish I knew which neighbor did that and I could prove it --they would be in jail if I could possibly put them there.

houndstooth
12-05-2009, 03:18 PM
He was a bartender at the Crazy Horse in OP. This latest one was found to be working there by a sleuther here. It appears he may be in the Keys now. He has ties to the area of OP and he lists Jacksonville as his home. Seriously, people don't want it to be the family, they don't want it to be CWG, they don't want it to be the workers at Gano, they don't want it to be the garbage man. It has to be somebody, so I have to look at people who could fit the profile of possibilities.

Mr. Tight Jeans had totally inappropriate behavior at the funeral. He also is a bartender at the Crazy Horse, apparently presently. IF his name is Chris, no one has found Tight Jeans name as working at Crazy Horse.

Please Human, don't misundertake me. Why are we looking at people who work(ed) at the Crazy Horse? Because a poster interjected that. I didn't talk to a detective, you didn't talk to a detective. Why pray tell me, would LE be telling this person anything about an ongoing investigation about polys and so forth?
I doubt it. So hate always being the party pooper here but, I have to go on more than that before I go off talking about this person for the next 7 pages.
That's all.

what about this?
12-05-2009, 03:21 PM
O/T

Chee - my heart is breaking for you! I have 4 rescued ones, and I share your pain. Please let us know if they come back -

human
12-05-2009, 03:23 PM
So sorry about your cats. I hope you find out who did this and I hope your prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. I had a stray dog come up to my house and I just couldn't bear not to feed her. Since I had 2 other dogs, I couldn't afford another one so we were going to take her to the Humane Society, but some of our low-life neighbors poisoned her before we got around to taking her to the pound. I am an animal lover and I wish I knew which neighbor did that and I could prove it --they would be in jail if I could possibly put them there.

Good luck with that. (I'm being very sarcastic ) My neighbor across the street poisoned our dog, who died. They actually meant to poison my daughter's dog, we figured out, who is the sweetest dog ever. Her dog went in their yard one time when she was visiting.

We haven't talked to them in years. I don't think they are serial killers, but they have their own dog who gets to do it's business in our yard. Sometimes they don't know I'm home, and they don't know I see it.

They are just so self centered on their own needs and very low functioning, IMO.

I still haven't recovered from it when I think about it and it's been several years.

Another neighbor who lives about a mile away hit another dog we had on purpose. He was laying in the street. We live on a very unmaintained dirt road that you have to drive slow on because of the potholes. We didn't know where our dog was. Another neighbor told us what happened so we found him when we looked. Our kids were little then so it was really devastating.

I don't have pets anymore. Too heartbreaking.

hoppyfrog
12-05-2009, 03:26 PM
Hey, everyone! Here is the WS Tip of the Day:

To capture the link to a single post, click on the white post number in the upper right hand corner of the post. Doing that will open a new window with only that post in it. Then you can cut and paste the link. Try it. This comes in handy more times than you can imagine.

Hoppy
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human
12-05-2009, 03:27 PM
Please Human, don't misundertake me. Why are we looking at people who work(ed) at the Crazy Horse? Because a poster interjected that. I didn't talk to a detective, you didn't talk to a detective. Why pray tell me, would LE be telling this person anything about an ongoing investigation about polys and so forth?
I doubt it. So hate always being the party pooper here but, I have to go on more than that before I go off talking about this person for the next 7 pages.
That's all.

Actually, the bar tender was brought up by iwanno who claims to be a friend of DT's. iwanno stated that Tight Jeans was a bar tender and had a thing for DT. iwanno claims that Tight Jeans was the crasher at the funeral,IIRC.

iwanno claims that the bartenders name is Chis and so that's where the other latest Chris comes from. But no one knows if Chris is the name of Tight Jeans.

Cheewawa007
12-05-2009, 03:37 PM
My heart goes out to both of you; I feel firsthand your grief and pain.:praying:

houndstooth
12-05-2009, 03:39 PM
Actually, the bar tender was brought up by iwanno who claims to be a friend of DT's. iwanno stated that Tight Jeans was a bar tender and had a thing for DT. iwanno claims that Tight Jeans was the crasher at the funeral,IIRC.

iwanno claims that the bartenders name is Chis and so that's where the other latest Chris comes from. But no one knows if Chris is the name of Tight Jeans.

You may be referring to posts that I did not see. I do remember another who said it came from a random detective over the phone. (??)

I might add that the guy was enabled to crash because he rode with the other poster and her group which I thought was weird to do considering it was with the father of S. So, turns out he knows the mother and has a fixation because they met at the bar a few times. Even weirder.

And you suspect that this guy is the same guy now in the Keys or this bar only hires guys named Chris to tend it? Ya'll post, I'll read.

BBL

Kamille
12-05-2009, 03:47 PM
With all of these different people that are being sleuthed here, I would imagine, or at least hope, that LE has their own short list of suspects right now. If all they are waiting on is DNA results and one of the people on their short list is a match that would be a very good day.

What Iím wondering is what is taking them so long? Iím not familiar with the science of DNA and thought maybe someone here could shed some light. If this was a sexual assault and murder, would they not have been able to have the perpetrators DNA profile pretty quickly? And if there was no sexual assault, would they have to extract all DNA that they could find on Somer and then would they be able to come up with individual profiles of people who had been in close contact with Somer that day? Is that why it's taking so long? I would imagine that Somer was in contact with a lot of people that day so how would they be able to narrow down a perpetrator?

doggies
12-05-2009, 04:01 PM
O/T
To all animal lovers out there:your pain is my pain when it comes to losing one of our 'fur-ever' babies.
But please give your love to another one. You know the difference it can make.
-signed,
Mother of 10 rescues. some our idea, some theirs.
:beagle::sugar::beagle-flip::cat::wolf:

human
12-05-2009, 04:03 PM
You may be referring to posts that I did not see. I do remember another who said it came from a random detective over the phone. (??)

I might add that the guy was enabled to crash because he rode with the other poster and her group which I thought was weird to do considering it was with the father of S. So, turns out he knows the mother and has a fixation because they met at the bar a few times. Even weirder.

And you suspect that this guy is the same guy now in the Keys or this bar only hires guys named Chris to tend it? Ya'll post, I'll read.

BBL

In number 26, there are references from iwanno to scratch guy. Claims he's a cousin, post 285. iwannno claims he came up from Orlando, but sleuths claim to have seen him in OP for at least 2 weeks after, IIRC.

iwanno claims that Tight Jeans is a bouncer at Crazy Horse. There are posts 291,295 and 298 that refer to him.. May be more, but I didn't look. iwanno claims that Tight Jeans said he was engaged to DT and tried to crash into the house as well.

Do we know if any of this is true? No,, but we don't know if ANYTHING that the media or that LE has said is true because NONE of it adds up with time lines or "facts" said one day and different "facts" another day.

So I take things with a grain of salt and see where sleuthers lead.

human
12-05-2009, 04:10 PM
With all of these different people that are being sleuthed here, I would imagine, or at least hope, that LE has their own short list of suspects right now. If all they are waiting on is DNA results and one of the people on their short list is a match that would be a very good day.

What Iím wondering is what is taking them so long? Iím not familiar with the science of DNA and thought maybe someone here could shed some light. If this was a sexual assault and murder, would they not have been able to have the perpetrators DNA profile pretty quickly? And if there was no sexual assault, would they have to extract all DNA that they could find on Somer and then would they be able to come up with individual profiles of people who had been in close contact with Somer that day? Is that why it's taking so long? I would imagine that Somer was in contact with a lot of people that day so how would they be able to narrow down a perpetrator?

I think that DNA thing is tough because do they ask for DNA from children in her class to eliminate it?

Or they could have found DNA on places that would not be casual contact.
I think it is even harder because could DNA be on her from people putting their old food in the trash or touching their garbage bag? It sounds like a total nightmare when I think about it this way, so maybe that's why we haven't heard anything.

Maybe in fact they have the suspect in mind, and are getting the evidence? If it is an RSO who has DNA on file, you would think they could have the lab look at those right away and eliminate.

It would be the unknowns that would be a huge problem. Can they tell child DNA from adult?

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 04:14 PM
I got a sense of hope from the statement on the news last week stating the LE is expecting results from the lab to be in by the end of the month. Possibly these results are what is needed to seal the deal. In regards to searching this electrician's old white Merita truck & the LE calling HIM - how would they know his phone number? Wouldn't they just go to his place of residence and search his truck? Why call and give him a heads up you want to talk with him? KWIM? Acting on a tip you say? I think the FBI & the LE have the technology available to search a phone number for a name & address.

His phone number is on the truck. Im sure they already knew of him. He is in the neighborhood, after all.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 04:18 PM
Did you read the comments from his cell or Twitter or whatever they were? I think his super model girlfriend was only Cyber and he had some really nasty things to say about her.

And then there was the blog about the other girlfriend. Really, he's thirty, not 15. Does it seem right that a 30 year old would have or leave that on their site?

He also doesn't really have a lot of friends on his MS. Because he's a bar tender, I would imagine him to have tons of superficial friends on his MS. IMO.

MS is passe now, according to my kids. Everyone is into Facebook. I have more friends on my Facebook than he has on his MS . I see on Facebook that most people have at least a hundred "friends". I don't see that he has a Facebook that I can find.

He did work at the OP Crazy Horse. Seems like his work history changes around October as he has it listed.

Am I right in the new Crazy Horse is on Wells and that is close to Somer?

Mr. Tight Jeans seems to fit a lot with his crazy antics. And seriously, hot guys don't wear Wranglers, unless they are considered cool at the Crazy Horse. Western and all. Mr. Tight Jeans is not the guy I'm talking about in my above comments. We have no clue of his name at this point.

Crazy horse on wells is not that far. Wells rd goes between 17 and blanding, right pass the mall.

Kamille
12-05-2009, 04:19 PM
I think that DNA thing is tough because do they ask for DNA from children in her class to eliminate it?

Or they could have found DNA on places that would not be casual contact.
I think it is even harder because could DNA be on her from people putting their old food in the trash or touching their garbage bag? It sounds like a total nightmare when I think about it this way, so maybe that's why we haven't heard anything.

Maybe in fact they have the suspect in mind, and are getting the evidence? If it is an RSO who has DNA on file, you would think they could have the lab look at those right away and eliminate.

It would be the unknowns that would be a huge problem. Can they tell child DNA from adult?

BBM

I was wondering that too. What exactly can they determine? Would they be able to distinguish gender, age, ethnic background? I thought I remembered reading once about some DNA found in the villa in the Madeleine McCann case belonging to an Eastern European man? If that was true and they can narrow down like that, wouldn't that help with their short list?

dannyodie
12-05-2009, 04:23 PM
I think that DNA thing is tough because do they ask for DNA from children in her class to eliminate it?

Or they could have found DNA on places that would not be casual contact.
I think it is even harder because could DNA be on her from people putting their old food in the trash or touching their garbage bag? It sounds like a total nightmare when I think about it this way, so maybe that's why we haven't heard anything.

Maybe in fact they have the suspect in mind, and are getting the evidence? If it is an RSO who has DNA on file, you would think they could have the lab look at those right away and eliminate.

It would be the unknowns that would be a huge problem. Can they tell child DNA from adult?

well they can tell if its female or male dna. its possible that they recovered male dna from her, they also do a test to indicate if it is seminal fluid. as far as cross contamination from being in trash they exposure is there but relatively low, in cases such as this they almost always look for presence of seminal fluid. as far as I know dna isn't used to check if the doner was a child or adult.

dannyodie
12-05-2009, 04:29 PM
I wonder if they ever questioned the crossing gaurd to ask if they remember seeing any sheriffs / police cars in the vacinity prior to somer reaching the area? or any other person just kinda milling around? I feel that the person most likely could have been wearing a very reconizable uniform someone somer would have gone with anytime.

Kamille
12-05-2009, 04:29 PM
Crazy horse on wells is not that far. Wells rd goes between 17 and blanding, right pass the mall.


Are you sure it's the one in OP he works/worked at and not the one in Jacksonville? Doesn't DT work in Jacksonville and doesn't SP live there?

Also has anyone looked through the pictures on this sight for any familiar faces?

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/category.asp?CategoryID=55436

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 04:34 PM
Please Human, don't misundertake me. Why are we looking at people who work(ed) at the Crazy Horse? Because a poster interjected that. I didn't talk to a detective, you didn't talk to a detective. Why pray tell me, would LE be telling this person anything about an ongoing investigation about polys and so forth?
I doubt it. So hate always being the party pooper here but, I have to go on more than that before I go off talking about this person for the next 7 pages.
That's all.

Hounds... I dont know why, but i KNOW that he did. I also know that iwannano's story of mr tight jeans matched the detective's. He was laughing when he told me he wasnt even a suspect til his strange behavior earned him a poly, and wanted to know if I was considering dating him. Take or leave it, which you can do without insinuating Im a liar. Seems like ive heard attack the post and not the poster before. Why pray tell me.. dont you sleuth who you want and let others do the same, whether its 7 or 10 pages? Crazy Horse seems like a good source to me after dealing with mr tight jeans in person. But like everything.. thats my opinion. No stone unturned right? Thats all.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 04:40 PM
Are you sure it's the one in OP he works/worked at and not the one in Jacksonville? Doesn't DT work in Jacksonville and doesn't SP live there?

Also has anyone looked through the pictures on this sight for any familiar faces?

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/category.asp?CategoryID=55436

Im not sure of which one he worked at. I think the one on wells is new, but IDK. I have looked at all those pics. No mr tight jeans anywhere.

human
12-05-2009, 04:49 PM
If you go on google and put in bouncer Crazy horse Orange Park , I come up with a JE. It says he's only 20. Some disturbing comments if you can read through the blackness. I highlight, but I don't know how to get rid of the darkness.

It appears that the company he works for now is a landscaper.

I don't know if Tight Jeans worked in OP or in Jacksonville from the comments.

New1
12-05-2009, 04:57 PM
O/T
To all animal lovers out there:your pain is my pain when it comes to losing one of our 'fur-ever' babies.
But please give your love to another one. You know the difference it can make.
-signed,
Mother of 10 rescues. some our idea, some theirs.
:beagle::sugar::beagle-flip::cat::wolf:

I would LOVE to, but I cannot get another dog now because I am disabled and cannot take care of one. I just lost two beautiful loving bulldogs in April and my heart longs for another one so bad. I have so much love to give a dog, but I don't have the energy nor the mobility it takes to take care of one the way it should be taken care of, and that is not fair to the dog. It also isn't fair to the dog to get one which I probably won't outlive. My previous dogs kept me fighting through cancer so I wouldn't leave them without me to care for them and for that I am grateful. Don't know if I have the cancer beaten yet or not - it hasn't been 5 years yet, but at last checkup was still gone.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 05:06 PM
If you go on google and put in bouncer Crazy horse Orange Park , I come up with a JE. It says he's only 20. Some disturbing comments if you can read through the blackness. I highlight, but I don't know how to get rid of the darkness.

It appears that the company he works for now is a landscaper.

I don't know if Tight Jeans worked in OP or in Jacksonville from the comments.

Still trying to find the JE. WOW on the comments about her review of crazy horse. Description fits, as far as size. Mustaches can come and go.

human
12-05-2009, 05:11 PM
I can give hints about JE I hope.

It's Christmas, so we are thinking about Mary and her husband.

Then we have Roy Rogers and was his wife named Dale?

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 05:12 PM
I would LOVE to, but I cannot get another dog now because I am disabled and cannot take care of one. I just lost two beautiful loving bulldogs in April and my heart longs for another one so bad. I have so much love to give a dog, but I don't have the energy nor the mobility it takes to take care of one the way it should be taken care of, and that is not fair to the dog. It also isn't fair to the dog to get one which I probably won't outlive. My previous dogs kept me fighting through cancer so I wouldn't leave them without me to care for them and for that I am grateful. Don't know if I have the cancer beaten yet or not - it hasn't been 5 years yet, but at last checkup was still gone.

New1... My heart goes out to you and I pray for you to continue to have strength for your fight, as well as continued clean check ups. Hopefully when you are comfortable that you have beaten it, another dog is in your future. Good luck and godspeed.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 05:24 PM
I can give hints about JE I hope.

It's Christmas, so we are thinking about Mary and her husband.

Then we have Roy Rogers and was his wife named Dale?

Great hints.. lol... made me chuckle. Thanks.

Cheewawa007
12-05-2009, 07:01 PM
His phone number is on the truck. Im sure they already knew of him. He is in the neighborhood, after all.

His phone number may be on the truck - but my point is, why would LE call him and ask to talk to him. Does that not defeat the whole purpose? The element of surprise to see what he might have had in the truck? And why if he lives in the neighborhood would they wait over a month to contact him? Doesn't sound plausible to me - sorry. I know that's what your son told you, but seems to me there's more to this story and it probably isn't related to Somer's case at all. Then again, I could be completely wrong and was just blown off by the LE when I called them with my tip (which at the time was pretty significant days after her body was found).

New1
12-05-2009, 07:10 PM
New1... My heart goes out to you and I pray for you to continue to have strength for your fight, as well as continued clean check ups. Hopefully when you are comfortable that you have beaten it, another dog is in your future. Good luck and godspeed.

"Thank you" button was not enough. I really appreciate your kind words and especially your prayers.

Cheewawa007
12-05-2009, 07:11 PM
I would LOVE to, but I cannot get another dog now because I am disabled and cannot take care of one. I just lost two beautiful loving bulldogs in April and my heart longs for another one so bad. I have so much love to give a dog, but I don't have the energy nor the mobility it takes to take care of one the way it should be taken care of, and that is not fair to the dog. It also isn't fair to the dog to get one which I probably won't outlive. My previous dogs kept me fighting through cancer so I wouldn't leave them without me to care for them and for that I am grateful. Don't know if I have the cancer beaten yet or not - it hasn't been 5 years yet, but at last checkup was still gone.

New1, have you considered getting an older dog from the pound? One that was turned in because the owner couldn't care for it anymore? They are the most loving & loyal dogs - it's as if they know you gave them a second chance at life & they are forever grateful! A dog would give you the will power to keep on keepin' on - KWIM? There are hundreds of dogs on death row, just waiting for someone to rescue them and give them a second chance. I wish I could take every single one of them. And I wish I could take your cancer away... I will keep you in my prayers for a clean bill of health. :praying:

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 07:26 PM
His phone number may be on the truck - but my point is, why would LE call him and ask to talk to him. Does that not defeat the whole purpose? The element of surprise to see what he might have had in the truck? And why if he lives in the neighborhood would they wait over a month to contact him? Doesn't sound plausible to me - sorry. I know that's what your son told you, but seems to me there's more to this story and it probably isn't related to Somer's case at all. Then again, I could be completely wrong and was just blown off by the LE when I called them with my tip (which at the time was pretty significant days after her body was found).

IDK Chee.. I wondered the same thing. And yes, it was my son, but heresay is heresay and each person tells it different. I just passed it on, because I heard it. Did you hear back from LE about your tip? Every time I have called, I have heard back, maybe not right away, but eventually.

Noway
12-05-2009, 07:39 PM
You're going to hate me but I found a friend of JE's has both JE and CE as friends (and yes, his first name is that C-word) ... but CE is in CA.

And this is why I hate MS and FB! ;) There should be a law about those black backgrounds.

ETA
He's not a bouncer anymore at Crazy Horse. Left January 2008 according to the MS page. But he joined Navy for 3 months (is that equivalent of boot camp?) and then nothing so maybe he is back at CH?

Noway
12-05-2009, 07:48 PM
O/T

But in that irritating MS page, I chose View/Style and instead of User Style, I picked No Style and the icky black goes away. Some formatting does but the page as whole is easier to read. JMO

Cheewawa007
12-05-2009, 08:09 PM
IDK Chee.. I wondered the same thing. And yes, it was my son, but heresay is heresay and each person tells it different. I just passed it on, because I heard it. Did you hear back from LE about your tip? Every time I have called, I have heard back, maybe not right away, but eventually.

Nope - I never heard a word. That's what I find so unusual... I even sent them an email to follow up on. You must have some kind of special connections or something. My husband works in Orange Park and knows a couple of police officers - they told him the Dept. was so overwhelmed with calls & emails, that they didn't have the manpower to speak to every one. He told my husband the information was given to the investigators & detectives. He said the tip would be looked into, but not to expect a phone call back because it is an ongoing investigation & they would call only if they needed any follow up information.

Sunshine77
12-05-2009, 08:20 PM
I wonder if they ever questioned the crossing gaurd to ask if they remember seeing any sheriffs / police cars in the vacinity prior to somer reaching the area? or any other person just kinda milling around? I feel that the person most likely could have been wearing a very reconizable uniform someone somer would have gone with anytime.

Everytime I have been in the neighborhood at that time of day, there is always a police car parked in the OPAA parking lot, directly across from the 1080 Gano house. I think they sit there to watch for speeders. From the start of this case, I've wanted to know if there was an officer there that day.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 08:21 PM
Nope - I never heard a word. That's what I find so unusual... I even sent them an email to follow up on. You must have some kind of special connections or something. My husband works in Orange Park and knows a couple of police officers - they told him the Dept. was so overwhelmed with calls & emails, that they didn't have the manpower to speak to every one. He told my husband the information was given to the investigators & detectives. He said the tip would be looked into, but not to expect a phone call back because it is an ongoing investigation & they would call only if they needed any follow up information.

I dont have any connections that I know of! He asked how I knew of CWG. IDK. Maybe he was investigating me and I didnt know it! I do move around alot. I colored my hair (i am over 30:) ). I have scratches on my arms (my dog). I sold a car recently. I am overly obsessed with this case. IDK Chee.. i guess your guess is as good as mine.

Noway
12-05-2009, 08:28 PM
Everytime I have been in the neighborhood at that time of day, there is always a police car parked in the OPAA parking lot, directly across from the 1080 Gano house. I think they sit there to watch for speeders. From the start of this case, I've wanted to know if there was an officer there that day.

Thank you for asking this. It seems to me that someone local had said there are police officers on Gano during time school is released.

In the stuff I'd read about crossing guards they refer to the police as something but I can't remember what kind of officers they call them.

I'll go look but I'm on a different computer and don't have the resources at hand that I usually do.

ETA: Maybe it is good that I'm on different computer. I don't think I'd ever seen the site from which I quoted.

Police car in background (maybe just for photo op)
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/safety/ped_bike/training/ped_bike_training.shtm



http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/saferjourney/Library/countermeasures/57.htm
b. Residence
Crossing guards should live nearby, and be familiar with the general neighborhood and the conditions children deal with on a daily basis.

ccane
12-05-2009, 08:35 PM
Here is the video from the landfill ..it's at the end of the video
http://www.news4jax.com/video/21393960/

human
12-05-2009, 08:41 PM
Here is the video from the landfill ..it's at the end of the video
http://www.news4jax.com/video/21353409/index.html

I didn't see the Gano house thing here or the landfill. Am I doing someting wrong? It's 15:28 long.

ccane
12-05-2009, 08:43 PM
Here is the chris guy giving a little hung to DT sis
Cousin? I think a boyfriend?
I cant get it to link

ok here it is http://www.news4jax.com/video/21425081/

Noway
12-05-2009, 08:44 PM
Traffic control officers. Not Orange Park but interesting all the same. IMO

http://www.pascosheriff.com/websmart/Pasco/static/PCSO-SCG1.htm

ccane
12-05-2009, 08:52 PM
I didn't see the Gano house thing here or the landfill. Am I doing someting wrong? It's 15:28 long.

yep I see they are are coming up with the same link.. I will go get them

ccane
12-05-2009, 08:54 PM
landfill at the end of this ..http://www.news4jax.com/video/21393960/

Cheewawa007
12-05-2009, 09:01 PM
Here is the chris guy giving a little hung to DT sis
Cousin? I think a boyfriend?
I cant get it to link

ok here it is http://www.news4jax.com/video/21425081/

One thing I noticed in the video, he has a wedding band on his left hand, so he is a married man...

txsvicki
12-05-2009, 09:03 PM
I would LOVE to, but I cannot get another dog now because I am disabled and cannot take care of one. I just lost two beautiful loving bulldogs in April and my heart longs for another one so bad. I have so much love to give a dog, but I don't have the energy nor the mobility it takes to take care of one the way it should be taken care of, and that is not fair to the dog. It also isn't fair to the dog to get one which I probably won't outlive. My previous dogs kept me fighting through cancer so I wouldn't leave them without me to care for them and for that I am grateful. Don't know if I have the cancer beaten yet or not - it hasn't been 5 years yet, but at last checkup was still gone.

Have you ever thought of a cat? There's so many of them that always need homes. A cat doesn't have to be kept indoors all the time even though they usually have a longer lifespan if they are. They'll go to the door and meow to go out and potty, don't eat much, and don't have to be bathed. They can be neutered so they won't have kittens. They can stay all night indoors without having an accident and are lots of company. I love cats and had a big old male cat who spend lots of time outdoors for eight years, but now my husband has health trouble and won't let us get another cat due to breathing problems.

New1
12-05-2009, 09:18 PM
New1, have you considered getting an older dog from the pound? One that was turned in because the owner couldn't care for it anymore? They are the most loving & loyal dogs - it's as if they know you gave them a second chance at life & they are forever grateful! A dog would give you the will power to keep on keepin' on - KWIM? There are hundreds of dogs on death row, just waiting for someone to rescue them and give them a second chance. I wish I could take every single one of them. And I wish I could take your cancer away... I will keep you in my prayers for a clean bill of health. :praying:

Thank you. I too would rescue every dog if I could. It is not only the cancer, it is the disability that I've had for most of my life even before the cancer, so I would not even be physically able to take a dog to the vet if I had one and that would be neglect on my part....just can't do it. I am thankful that I had my two wonderful bulldogs during the worst part of my sickness so far; I was away from them for 9 days, but I hired a sitter for them (I was working then), and when I got back home from the hospital after my surgery one or both of them lay by my beside faithfully. Two months after they died, I had a heart attack and have been weaker since then...that's why I spend so much time on this darn computer...LOL. God is good to me though, and I channel some of my love to my "granddogs". Ha ha. Thanks for caring.

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 09:31 PM
Here is the chris guy giving a little hung to DT sis
Cousin? I think a boyfriend?
I cant get it to link

ok here it is http://www.news4jax.com/video/21425081/

I dont see the scratch on his neck in this video.

ccane
12-05-2009, 09:33 PM
here is the correct link

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21405016/

In this press conf on the 2nd questioned (4:55 into the video ) asked about the vacant house it sounds like mary justino was going to say proximity of the crime scene.. but only the cr ... then changed it[/QUOTE]

ccane
12-05-2009, 09:55 PM
sometimes I wonder if they did find the body way bofore we knew ? I seems they had already checked all the dumpsters and most of the neigborhood garbage in the first few days. I think Justino spoke on thrusday? If they found the body wednesday how did they get done so fast without the public knowing they were even doing it. I think news crews or someone would have seen them checking. They where checking the trashes on tuesday I thought.... someone help me out here

Sunshine77
12-05-2009, 10:08 PM
IMO, they found the body when they said they did. I don't think they would have continued to devote the vast amount of resources to searching the neighborhood if they had found the body earlier. We also don't know if her body was found in trash from the neighborhood or not. I personally don't think she was in a dumpster in the immediate neighborhood or the dogs would have picked up her scent. JMO.

sorrell skye
12-05-2009, 10:10 PM
I haven't posted very much in the past few days. Mainly because I've been busy with my own life, but also because I have been trying to make sense of the so-called "information" that has been brought this way by what seems to be an "amused" bird of some sort. Parrots come to mind - as they are birds that are easily "amused" and eager to mimic the sounds they hear, in return for a special treat. I have been happy to have had a parrot in my household in recent years, and can attest to their endearing behavior. Nevertheless, no matter how adorable the parrot, they are only capable of repeating what they hear & what they are told.

I always extend a heartfelt welcome to any & all birds (especially the wild ones) that alight upon my windowsill. I love birds, and all winged creatures. They have the ability to transcend beyond the gravity that holds me earth-bound, and I am in awe of them.

But I have learned that gravity is not necessarily a bad thing, if it keeps one grounded and steady on one's feet.

Chili Fries
12-05-2009, 10:17 PM
Here is the chris guy giving a little hung to DT sis
Cousin? I think a boyfriend?
I cant get it to link

ok here it is http://www.news4jax.com/video/21425081/
Are you talking about the guy in yellow? If so I'm not sure he's the scratch guy. If not could you point me to the time he appears. TIA.

ccane
12-05-2009, 10:19 PM
IMO, they found the body when they said they did. I don't think they would have continued to devote the vast amount of resources to searching the neighborhood if they had found the body earlier. We also don't know if her body was found in trash from the neighborhood or not. I personally don't think she was in a dumpster in the immediate neighborhood or the dogs would have picked up her scent. JMO.

Let me just say this
did they find the crime scene before the body?

sheriff
Tuesday -Abduction Attempted 10 Days Ago - we dont think it related? why
Tuesday-checking garbages of area? why
Wed- checking dump? why
RSO and SO nope we checked them we dont think that group ?

what came first the chicken or the egg

ccane
12-05-2009, 10:22 PM
I haven't posted very much in the past few days. Mainly because I've been busy with my own life, but also because I have been trying to make sense of the so-called "information" that has been brought this way by what seems to be an "amused" bird of some sort. Parrots come to mind - as they are birds that are easily "amused" and eager to mimic the sounds they hear, in return for a special treat. I have been happy to have had a parrot in my household in recent years, and can attest to their endearing behavior. Nevertheless, no matter how adorable the parrot, they are only capable of repeating what they hear & what they are told.

I always extend a heartfelt welcome to any & all birds (especially the wild ones) that alight upon my windowsill. I love birds, and all winged creatures. They have the ability to transcend beyond the gravity that holds me earth-bound, and I am in awe of them.

But I have learned that gravity is not necessarily a bad thing, if it keeps one grounded and steady on one's feet.

I dont care much for birds:croc:

Noway
12-05-2009, 10:54 PM
Isn't it against the TOS to post about dogs, cats and birds? IDK ...

Noway
12-05-2009, 10:55 PM
:crazy:

Just kidding!

Cheewawa007
12-05-2009, 11:02 PM
Since we have no one to sleuth at the moment, I would like to share something I read that was posted on one of the discussion boards from one of the websites for Somer. I honestly do not think I will be able to find it again, and will end up in that dark hole at the very bottom for days on end. So I will begin with - I can't link the site I read which hold the contents I am about to type. If you REALLY want to see it for yourself, I will do my very best to try and find it........... someone typed on a discussion board that they heard Somer's body had Hooters garbage around her & they figured out she was dumped in there. There is a Hooters on Wells Road near her house.

Cheewawa007
12-05-2009, 11:07 PM
Isn't it against the TOS to post about dogs, cats and birds? IDK ...

Don't you have some cookies to bake?

Cheewawa007
12-05-2009, 11:09 PM
Just kidding

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 11:11 PM
Isn't it against the TOS to post about dogs, cats and birds? IDK ...

NOT if a dog, cat or bird killed somer. Especially if they are named Chris, William or of the hairless variety. All I KNOW is this monster is FOUL!!!!

sadnpod
12-05-2009, 11:14 PM
O/T
I think. Since the topics seem to be kinda off anyway... CHee.. have i ever told you your avatar cracks me up? I smile every time I see that lil cheewaawaa!