FL - Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park, Thread # 28 [Archive]

imamaze

12-07-2009, 08:16 PM

#1-21 (Thanks to Noway)

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Continue here with discussion on Somer's case.

Post links to SR registry only, do not copy/paste info on SO to this thread, including photographs and inmate details.

Do not post personal information -- name, address, phone number -- of anyone LE has not named as suspect in the murder of Somer Thompson here.

References to minors other than the victim should be initials only (AC, AT, ST). When in doubt about whether you can use someone's name, use initials and provide link to source of information.

Thanks to Noway for links and TOS reminder!

passionflower

12-07-2009, 08:23 PM

all alone am I???

human

12-07-2009, 08:39 PM

Back to the last page where it was mentioned about LE searching the ST home, I don't know. But a protocol was posted on one of the pages here that did say to search the home thoroughly. So I am ASSuming that they did search the cars and home, and I would ASSume that LE would notice something strange, but who knows?

At any rate, the garbage comment by Chee is very interesting about them searching early on, especially when you connect it with the neighbor woman talking about the trash already being taken. The curious thing about her comment was something like, "Take that comment how you want." Very curious comment to me.

I think they must have had some kind of tip. The whole garbage thing seemed cut and dried to me, but now I'm not sure of that at all either. I'm not sure that we have come to a conclusion on this garbage issue. When?

houndstooth

12-07-2009, 08:40 PM

Aw shoot. Chee, I had the whole answer written out and everything so nicely for you too. Then bam! My reply went spinning off into the ether.

Would you be so kind as to repost your pearl of a clue over here to this page? Thank you ever so much, my friend.

chicagofa13

12-07-2009, 08:43 PM

Back to the last page where it was mentioned about LE searching the ST home, I don't know. But a protocol was posted on one of the pages here that did say to search the home thoroughly. So I am ASSuming that they did search the cars and home, and I would ASSume that LE would notice something strange, but who knows?

LOL, I like to ASSume a lot also!

I am sure it is protocol. It just seems a lot of things are missed with missing children cases during the urgency of the search. IMO everything should be treated as a crime scene now. We have so many more tools to work with forensically. Back in the day there would be nothing but finger prints and fibers to work with. Now there is a treasure trove of extremely sensitive evidence that could be ruined by people traipsing all over.

Cheewawa007

12-07-2009, 08:45 PM

The only thing I'm sure of that the Somer is dead. But I do find that article coupled with the neighbor lady who didn't want to be identified talking about the trash and saying to take it how ever you want.... very strange indeed. Someone HAD to have seen something and alerted the authorities about it within the first few hours of the interviews they were conducting - don't you think? Possibly this unidentified woman saw something suspicious and the LE have told her not to repeat it because it could be relevant to the case.

ccane

12-07-2009, 08:52 PM

Have your tissue handy if you have not watched this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlVjDqAb_1A&feature=player_embedded

Cheewawa007

12-07-2009, 08:56 PM

Aw shoot. Chee, I had the whole answer written out and everything so nicely for you too. Then bam! My reply went spinning off into the ether.

Would you be so kind as to repost your pearl of a clue over here to this page? Thank you ever so much, my friend.

No problem at all; would this be the one?
I FOUND THE ARTICLE!!!!!! I am at work & will have to log back off before I get in trouble, but want to give you the link I found yesterday..... see you later in the afternoon when I get home.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-disappearance
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houndstooth

12-07-2009, 09:09 PM

[QUOTE=Cheewawa007;4534850]No problem at all; would this be the one?
I FOUND THE ARTICLE!!!!!! I am at work & will have to log back off before I get in trouble, but want to give you the link I found yesterday..... see you later in the afternoon when I get home.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-disappearance
__________________
"No job too large; I'll get to the bottom of it!"
-It's wawa...CHEE-wawa[/QUOTE

Ahem. That was fast. I went to do a refresher course before attempting my response and uh. It was "Page Not Found". Can you check the link, just to be sure.

hopetohelp

12-07-2009, 09:15 PM

ok folks, I just can't go along that they found Somer on Tuesday instead of Wed, or that they found her somewhere other than the landfill.

Sherriff Woods is talking about Haleigh's case here: "Woods, in Putnam County, said investigators searched the landfill as part of Haleigh's investigation as well. Such searches are routine parts of missing-child and suspected-abduction cases.
"I personally was inside a dumpster, searching that morning," Woods said. The "meticulous" landfill search came a little later, but that's because trash pickup in the area did not occur immediately after Haleigh was reported missing as it did in Somer's case," he said.

I read that as him saying that in Haleigh's case they were personally able to search dumpsters prior to garbage pick up in Haleigh's case because they had more time - the garbage was not picked up as soon as it was in Somer's case.

In Somer's case, LE is clear that very soon after garbage pick up started Tuesday, they assigned LE to started following the trucks as they picked up dumpsters and they followed them to the changing station that day, and then to the landfill. They noted which truck picked up in which part of the neighborhood. They secured the landfill Tuesday night and searched on Wednesday - as each truck dumped its contents. Since they already knew where that truck had picked up - which part of the neighborhood, that gave them an immediate geographic advantage - it's possible that something about the contents surrounding her body could even have been the reason they searched the abandoned house. Maybe they found mail or identifying data about neighbors of the burned out house in close enough proximity to her remains that they thought the burned out house was a good place to process. This could be especially true since they had a guy working AT that house being apparently the last person to see her alive.

If they'd found her body still in the dumpster, still in OP (which I don't believe for a minute), they would have processed the area and there would have been a crime scene and scores of police and media, they may also have transported the entire dumpster to their crime lab like they did with the case of the woman who was found in a dumpster in FL earlier this year. Still that area would be covered with police and crime scene tape.

Also, I believe the paper said that earlier on Wednesday Somer's mother was still asking the abductor to bring her daughter back. Its inconceivable to me that if LE had found a body that appeared to be Somer's on Tuesday, that they would have kept that from the mother overnight. Early Wednesday afternoon, media said she hadn't been found yet and they were monitoring the search at the trash dump. Then when the body was found Wednesday, they took photos of the ME's vehicle at the dump.

The Sherriff says he told the mother about the likelihood of the remains being Somer's at the time they were found, then called her to confirm Wednesday night (note - someone told me that they had confirmed the identity before the autopsy, and I said I couldn't remember, but you're right, reviewing media from then, it looks like this is true): "The sheriff said he had told the girl's mother, Diena Thompson, to prepare for the worst, and called her after receiving the news Wednesday night." http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/dpg_Somer_Thompson_Missing_Fla_Girl_Case_fc_200910 22_4166280

I think they found the body when and where they said they did. I don't think they are making it up when they describe being at the landfill and seeing, "a child's lifeless legs," sticking up from the refuse, there, at the landfill. If they'd found her on Tues in a dumpster, there would have been huge police presence at that site, and the crime lab there processing the SITE, even if they took the dumpster to their place for processing.

It makes sense that Equusearch would still be searching Wed morning if they found her later on Wednesday as they said.

I don't see why LE would misinform the public about this.

Noway

12-07-2009, 09:21 PM

THANK YOU

If Tim Miller says he was there when they found Somer's body and he wasn't there until Wednesday, then I'm still going with Wednesday.

hopetohelp

12-07-2009, 09:21 PM

Chicago - I think it is protocol that they search the home - to process it, really. But, we do know that those searches have sometimes not been adequate in the past. I have to hope though that since they had just put their officers through training on protocol that they followed the procedures on searching the home. That said, the Amber alert certainly got out much later than one would have expected...

sorrell skye

12-07-2009, 09:22 PM

At any rate, the garbage comment by Chee is very interesting about them searching early on, especially when you connect it with the neighbor woman talking about the trash already being taken. The curious thing about her comment was something like, "Take that comment how you want." Very curious comment to me.

I think they must have had some kind of tip. The whole garbage thing seemed cut and dried to me, but now I'm not sure of that at all either. I'm not sure that we have come to a conclusion on this garbage issue. When?

The only thing I'm sure of that the Somer is dead. But I do find that article coupled with the neighbor lady who didn't want to be identified talking about the trash and saying to take it how ever you want.... very strange indeed. Someone HAD to have seen something and alerted the authorities about it within the first few hours of the interviews they were conducting - don't you think? Possibly this unidentified woman saw something suspicious and the LE have told her not to repeat it because it could be relevant to the case.

Ya know - I think you guys might just be onto something...

hopetohelp

12-07-2009, 09:29 PM

The only thing I'm sure of that the Somer is dead. But I do find that article coupled with the neighbor lady who didn't want to be identified talking about the trash and saying to take it how ever you want.... very strange indeed. Someone HAD to have seen something and alerted the authorities about it within the first few hours of the interviews they were conducting - don't you think? Possibly this unidentified woman saw something suspicious and the LE have told her not to repeat it because it could be relevant to the case.

Now THAT, the neighbor's comment, was just plain weird. I still don't know what to make of that. I had wondered if she was making some kind of catty comment about the family, or about the kids not being supervised well, or trying to insinuate something about their level of care (kind of like saying, it was only a matter of time until something happened to one of those kids). But even if that was the case, referencing the trash was just unconscionable. Whatever her motives, it was a very strange/hurtful thing to say. I did kind of a scooby doo double take on that one. HUH??!!

Noway

12-07-2009, 09:30 PM

Please do not quote in its entirety if you are bringing a correction or addition to my attention.

Instead, copy and paste the parts you want to discuss (or Quote and remove all but text you want to reference). This post is huge and growing.

List of FACTS in Somer's case: Version VIII

Credit for compiling goes to many people including but not limited to SharetheLight, Cajun Girl, CCane, Dee10, Doggies, Isabella, MammaD.

I'm trying to remember to add names here as people give information. If you know that I've updated this because of something you've provided, let me know, and I'll add your name. I still don't have a good system for updating this, even after 8 versions.

These are facts as reported by media and/or from the MPR. Tried to put links to source where available.

SOMER
· Somer Thompson was 7 years old when she disappeared on October 19, 2009.
· Somer was wearing a cranberry jump suit (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33410779/ns/today-today_people/) (sweat suit (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/AMBERAlert.jpg)) with a matching top to the bottom and pink satin stripes down the sides of arms and legs, and a black shirt underneath (http://tinyurl.com/yjklsn8).
· Somer's birthday is April 5, 2002.
· Somer was not in the habit of wandering off, according to her mom (http://tinyurl.com/yjklsn8) in video (on left, scroll down in video list) Diena Thompson Addresses The Media.
· Somer routinely wandered around and nobody knew where she was, according to a babysitte (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...girl_somer_ren)r.
· Somer wore a red ribbon in her ponytail on October 19.
· AB (neighbor) drove Somer to school on October 19 and said it was a normal morning and Somer was her usual self (http://www.news4jax.com/news/21363638/detail.html).
· Somer went to school (GPE) and left school at regular time (2:32 p.m.).
· :star1:Somer initially started walking with her friend M. “Minutes before she was walking with this little girl. I mean, yea it's definitely sunk in...It gives me goose bumps...thinking it could have been fifty-fifty, I mean, just like that,” said GC (http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Family-has-special-connection-to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx).
· Somer caught up with her sister AT and brother ST (twin) in the 1100 block of Gano.
· AT brought up the argument Somer had with MC and Somer ran ahead to walk alone.
· An AMBER Alert was issued on Tuesday morning. It does not mention the book bag or lunchbox, but mentions her possibly wearing white hat and scarf. JPG of AMBER Alert (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/AMBERAlert.jpg)
· Somer lived with her mom Diena Thompson, her twin brother ST, her older sister AT. (Unsure whether half-brother AC lived with them)
· Somer's body was found at Chesser Island Landfill in Folkston, GA (http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpop...dOQmnB05w.cspx). She was tentatively identified by her clothing and a birthmark.
· Somer's lunchbox (http://tinyurl.com/ybt9tzj) and book bag (http://tinyurl.com/y9ed32a) (see sketches (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/video_photos.cfm?id=69151)as released by LE and shown on AMW) have not been found. Details first reported on AMW (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=69151)November 7. (Previous reports had not mentioned description of lunchbox; backpack/book bag was described several ways, now believed to be in error, including but not limited to “black book bag (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf)”; “pink black and white backpack with skulls, hearts, and crossbones (http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/10/clay-county-authorities-search.html)”; “purple HM backpack (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-body-found-sheriff-matches-birthmark-clothing/Story?id=8887834&page=2)”)

DIENA
· Diena and Samuel Thompson are estranged and in the process of divorcing.
· Diena has a live-in boyfriend (CPC, who goes by P).
· Diena said she had lunch at her home on October 19 with SAP, a family friend.
· Diena asked SAP to wait until the kids got home from school (http://tinyurl.com/y8wflf8). (from narrative MPR, but what was he to do after that?)
· Dena texts SAP around 4 p.m., asking how the kids were; SAP replied that Somer had not come home with the other kids.
· Diena leaves work early to search for Somer.
· Diena felt something was wrong this time, and this is why she responded quickly to news of Somer not making it home that day.
· Diena calls her boyfriend, CPC aka P, at about 4:20 p.m., tells him Somer didn’t come home, and asks him to leave work to help search for her.
· Diena stops at OPAA to pick up oldest son AC.
· Diena flags down D/S A. Coan (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im...ice.report.pdf) at the corner of Floyd Circle West and Gano, and reports Somer missing.

SAMUEL
· Samuel lives in North Carolina and has not seen Somer in 2 years.
· Samuel came to FL on the Sunday after Somer's disappearance.
· Samuel says soot was found on Somer’s body in NG interview). (Later, he recants that statement through relative on WS because the source of this information, his sister LH, is thought to be unreliable.)

SEAN A. P. (SAP)
· SAP is a close family friend of family.
· SAP is said to have had lunch with Diena at her house on October 19 (in the MPR, he does not state this himself but Diena does).
· SAP is asked to wait at house until kids come home from school. (from MPR narrative; not sure what he was to do after they came home)..
· SAP had not been asked to do this before. This was his first time.
· SAP asks where Somer is when AT and ST arrived around 3:10 p.m.
· SAP sent AT to look for Somer. When she returned about 15 minutes later without her, SAP told her to look again real good before he called Diena.
· SAP gets text from Diena around 4 p.m. asking how the kids were doing; he texts back that Somer did not come home with the other kids and AT is out looking for her.Diena says she will leave work and come look for Somer.
· SAP changed details on his indigo healing website (http://www.indigo-healing.net/Home_Page.html) (e.g., specializing in helping indigo adults and children, removed his photo) sometime between October 19 and October 21, 2009. As noted by Cajun Girl and her sleuthing.
SAP opened bank account for donations to Somer’s family, and the account

C. PERRY C.
· CPC is Diena's live-in boyfriend.
· CPC gets call about 4:20 p.m. from Diena who tells him Somer didn’t come home; Diena asks him to leave work to help search for her.
· CPC leaves work and drives to the Horton Drive home; arrives at about 5 p.m.
· CPC picks up ST (twin) at the house about 5 p.m. and goes to search for Somer.

GANO AVENUE HOUSE
· This house caught fire months ago and is being restored.
· Work crews have been at that house.
· VD&B (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=147122%22%20%5Ct%20%22_blank) is the contractor working on the house.
· Kyle, who works with the contractor, was there on October 19, and said that Somer came in the yard, told him that he/they were doing a good job on the house, and went back the way she came. (Thanks, MammaD!)
· Kyle is the last person known to see Somer alive.
· There are propane tanks surrounded by a fence about a block the house (toward school).
· J., a minor, was riding his bike home when he saw Somer running around near the tanks and that she he thought she was excited but had a frown on her face.
· OPAA is a park and sporting fields across the street from the house.
· LE searched the house extensively on Thursday and Friday.
· The Gano House was proclaimed a crime scene (http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/crime/story.aspx?storyid=116107&catid=82), as was the search area.

LAW ENFORCEMENT
· LE searched the Gano Avenue house extensively and the men's room (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21389447/detail.html) at OPAA briefly and came out with a bag.
· An autopsy was performed, and LE knows the cause of death, but that have not released that information (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21389447/detail.html).
· Sheriff reports only one person cleared in the investigation into Somer’s death and that is him.
· Investigators made the request (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21435492/detail.html) / recommendation (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-26/story/large_crowd_expected_for_somer_thompsons_funeral) that Somer's casket be closed.

OTHER PEOPLE
· AB drove Somer to school on October 19.
· AB appeared on TV (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-body-found-sheriff-matches-birthmark-clothing/story?id=8887834)with Sheriff Beseler (http://www.livedash.com/transcript/good_morning_america/714/KGO/Thursday_October_22_2009/99710/). Don't want video to appear in this post: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33427923#33427923"]msnbc.com.

· A female neighbor who asked that her name not be reported, upon hearing of Somer’s disappearance, tells LE to check the vacant house on Gano Avenue and its dumpster. After Somer is found in the landfill, she said she wishes she would have checked it herself.

· A (different?) female neighbor, when questioned about the trash pick-up day, made a comment that the trash had already been collected that day so to take that however you want to. A WSer posted that it was the woman who drove Somer to school; that would have been AB. I wasn't sure which video it is at the link provided in the post.

· Houses in the vicinity of the Gano house were searched on Tuesday, October 20. The search literally hit home for schools Superintendent Ben Wortham, who lives about 100 yards from the Gano Drive spot where Somer was last seen. About 2 a.m. Tuesday, his house and many others in the vicinity were “searched from top to bottom,” Wortham said.

GARBAGE
· Bruce Owens, an officer suggests to the sheriff that all trash trucks should be followed and searched so they can isolate the trash coming out of this area, the trash trucks are then followed. (Later reported that Joe Jett gets credit for this.)
· Somer was found dead on October 21 in the Chesser Island Landfill in Fokston, Georgia.
· LE followed the trucks to the Chesser Island Landfill.
· There is at least one video of an interview with Diena that is blacked out-significant portion of interview is missing at the point where DT is recalling something from the day. (Could this just be because it was raw video and they edited out camera man movement?)

RSOs
· There are 161 RSOs (http://www.wctv.tv/APNews/headlines/65806732.html) that live within 5 miles of Somer’s home.
· CWG’s name and contact info appears on the initial police report (in error (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-23/story/somers_slaying_investigaton_narrowing_down_origin_ of_trash) as a case of mistaken identity) detailing her disappearance, along with the names of family, neighbors, and others.
· The owner of VD&B has a brother who is an RSO. His name is GCV (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=5693).
· Since Somer disappeared many RSO’s have been arrested for failing to update their addresses.

UNRELATED BUT YET, RELATED
· What was thought to be an attempted abduction 10 days before Somer's disappearance turned out not to be an attempted abduction and was not related to Somer's disappearance according to LE. Even after LE said there was no connection, reports on blue Nissans (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-12/story/in_somer_thompson_case_rumors_become_a_big_problem ) poured in to the CCSO.

· A police report in the Clay County Daily indicated that 4 burglary suspects were arrested at the Thompson home. LE later said that the address was in error and gave this explanation: An officer who was at the Thompson home was called to an unrelated burglary call and made the arrest of 4 individuals (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-12/story/in_somer_thompson_case_rumors_become_a_big_problem )but when he filed his report, he forgot to change the address. If you check the Clay County Daily (http://p2c.claysheriff.com/dailybulletin.aspx) for 11/21, you will find the correct information now.

· CWG's name on the MPR was a result of mistaken identity (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-23/story/somers_slaying_investigaton_narrowing_down_origin_ of_trash) according to LE.

human

12-07-2009, 09:56 PM

ok folks, I just can't go along that they found Somer on Tuesday instead of Wed, or that they found her somewhere other than the landfill.

Sherriff Woods is talking about Haleigh's case here: "Woods, in Putnam County, said investigators searched the landfill as part of Haleigh's investigation as well. Such searches are routine parts of missing-child and suspected-abduction cases.
"I personally was inside a dumpster, searching that morning," Woods said. The "meticulous" landfill search came a little later, but that's because trash pickup in the area did not occur immediately after Haleigh was reported missing as it did in Somer's case," he said.

I read that as him saying that in Haleigh's case they were personally able to search dumpsters prior to garbage pick up in Haleigh's case because they had more time - the garbage was not picked up as soon as it was in Somer's case.

In Somer's case, LE is clear that very soon after garbage pick up started Tuesday, they assigned LE to started following the trucks as they picked up dumpsters and they followed them to the changing station that day, and then to the landfill. They noted which truck picked up in which part of the neighborhood. They secured the landfill Tuesday night and searched on Wednesday - as each truck dumped its contents. Since they already knew where that truck had picked up - which part of the neighborhood, that gave them an immediate geographic advantage - it's possible that something about the contents surrounding her body could even have been the reason they searched the abandoned house. Maybe they found mail or identifying data about neighbors of the burned out house in close enough proximity to her remains that they thought the burned out house was a good place to process. This could be especially true since they had a guy working AT that house being apparently the last person to see her alive.

If they'd found her body still in the dumpster, still in OP (which I don't believe for a minute), they would have processed the area and there would have been a crime scene and scores of police and media, they may also have transported the entire dumpster to their crime lab like they did with the case of the woman who was found in a dumpster in FL earlier this year. Still that area would be covered with police and crime scene tape.

Also, I believe the paper said that earlier on Wednesday Somer's mother was still asking the abductor to bring her daughter back. Its inconceivable to me that if LE had found a body that appeared to be Somer's on Tuesday, that they would have kept that from the mother overnight. Early Wednesday afternoon, media said she hadn't been found yet and they were monitoring the search at the trash dump. Then when the body was found Wednesday, they took photos of the ME's vehicle at the dump.

The Sherriff says he told the mother about the likelihood of the remains being Somer's at the time they were found, then called her to confirm Wednesday night (note - someone told me that they had confirmed the identity before the autopsy, and I said I couldn't remember, but you're right, reviewing media from then, it looks like this is true): "The sheriff said he had told the girl's mother, Diena Thompson, to prepare for the worst, and called her after receiving the news Wednesday night." http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/dpg_Somer_Thompson_Missing_Fla_Girl_Case_fc_200910 22_4166280

I think they found the body when and where they said they did. I don't think they are making it up when they describe being at the landfill and seeing, "a child's lifeless legs," sticking up from the refuse, there, at the landfill. If they'd found her on Tues in a dumpster, there would have been huge police presence at that site, and the crime lab there processing the SITE, even if they took the dumpster to their place for processing.

It makes sense that Equusearch would still be searching Wed morning if they found her later on Wednesday as they said.

I don't see why LE would misinform the public about this.

Very excellent post. Clear, concise and to the point.

I, too, strongly believe that LE is not faking much about the searches. They are paid by the taxpayer and responsible to the taxpayer. They cannot be wasting money and time, nor do they have money to waste or time to waste.

If LE was a private corporation, they could do as they like with money. But the money is not theirs-it is the taxpayers.

I believe that something was found by or on Somer that indicates the Gano house.

I think that if any other move was made by LE, I think that probably reporters would have been on them like flies, looking for a scoop. I, too, believe that they cannot leave a crime scene unsecured and could have hardly done anything without being noticed. I am sure everyone is on high alert and looking for things out of the ordinary.

I hope that we get a report from a local on the ceiling in the OPAA bathroom or anything else that looks like a hiding place, or what????

Any ideas?

human

12-07-2009, 10:00 PM

Noway, can you add comments by the uncle of girl who walked with Somer? It appears that girl saw Somer past the Gano house, or am I really confused on that?

houndstooth

12-07-2009, 10:10 PM

Very excellent post. Clear, concise and to the point.

I, too, strongly believe that LE is not faking much about the searches. They are paid by the taxpayer and responsible to the taxpayer. They cannot be wasting money and time, nor do they have money to waste or time to waste.

If LE was a private corporation, they could do as they like with money. But the money is not theirs-it is the taxpayers.

I believe that something was found by or on Somer that indicates the Gano house.

I think that if any other move was made by LE, I think that probably reporters would have been on them like flies, looking for a scoop. I, too, believe that they cannot leave a crime scene unsecured and could have hardly done anything without being noticed. I am sure everyone is on high alert and looking for things out of the ordinary.

I hope that we get a report from a local on the ceiling in the OPAA bathroom or anything else that looks like a hiding place, or what????

Any ideas?

If by your comment you mean me, I did not imply that any SEARCH was faked.
Just that you may not have had a camera and reporter on the scene at every one of them. I think there was evidence found at more than one place.
I would also give more credence to what the sheriff said than Tim Miller, but that's just me. I don't know how "in the loop" he would have been.
But, if you are going to all the trouble to put detectives on each truck and search them as they were COLLECTED as the sheriff said in his video, I don't think you would want to take a chance on contamination of evidence or having it separated in transit by changing trucks and adding garbage along the way needlessly. And that is all I have to say.

Noway

12-07-2009, 10:16 PM

(Previous reports had not mentioned description of lunchbox; backpack/book bag was described several ways, now believed to be in error, including but not limited to "black book bag" "pink black and white backpack with skulls, hearts, and crossbones" and "Hannah Montana backpack".)

I need to fix the links to some of the entries, including the ones above. If you notice any others missing, let me know.

I'm going to read some bedtime stories and then spending some time with that stranger I call my husband.

I'll be back in the morning.

I'll fix this one too
Noway, can you add comments by the uncle of girl who walked with Somer? It appears that girl saw Somer past the Gano house, or am I really confused on that?

human

12-07-2009, 10:32 PM

If by your comment you mean me, I did not imply that any SEARCH was faked.
Just that you may not have had a camera and reporter on the scene at every one of them. I think there was evidence found at more than one place.
I would also give more credence to what the sheriff said than Tim Miller, but that's just me. I don't know how "in the loop" he would have been.
But, if you are going to all the trouble to put detectives on each truck and search them as they were COLLECTED as the sheriff said in his video, I don't think you would want to take a chance on contamination of evidence or having it separated in transit by changing trucks and adding garbage along the way needlessly. And that is all I have to say.

Sorry. I was only giving my own thoughts and not referring to anyone's posts and did not intend for it to come off that way, if you thought that. Seriously!

I totally agree with the mixing of the garbage. Makes no sense at all, does it? And if that is the case, why didn't anyone see her when they were switching the garbage at the transfer station?

There is a transfer station close to where I work, and I thought about asking them about garbage, if there is anyone there. I have never seen it and don't know exactly where it is. But since I am far, far away from Florida, I think that I could ask some questions, unless after my questions they will ask my LE to investigate me!

I work really early to really late, but I think on Friday I have some flexible time to check it out. Of course, I think that everyday and stuff happens that I HAVE to deal with.

But I will try and see if I can get any info on garbage. They bring it to a transfer station here as well and ship it to another state, so it might be similar in approach.

Just-Us

12-07-2009, 10:32 PM

FWIW- Response a poster on the previous thread and my post from last night:
1) ICP is very popular amongst many ages and crowds and I do not feel that the following in Jax or OP is more popular than anywhere else. I have been to an ICP concert myself and yes, they are crude and not for everyone but I do not consider myself as wierd or a bad person for listening to them at one point in my life either.
2) Hooters: The store that opened in the same complex has been open for a couple of months, so no construction that I know of was going on in that plaza. Also there is an apartment complex near it but not right behind like I initially thought.

camcneishg

12-07-2009, 10:36 PM

I am sure TM was "in the loop"

Just-Us

12-07-2009, 11:04 PM

Where is everyone? This is the least active I have seen this thread at night in a long time:(

hopetohelp

12-07-2009, 11:36 PM

If by your comment you mean me, I did not imply that any SEARCH was faked.
Just that you may not have had a camera and reporter on the scene at every one of them. I think there was evidence found at more than one place.
I would also give more credence to what the sheriff said than Tim Miller, but that's just me. I don't know how "in the loop" he would have been.
But, if you are going to all the trouble to put detectives on each truck and search them as they were COLLECTED as the sheriff said in his video, I don't think you would want to take a chance on contamination of evidence or having it separated in transit by changing trucks and adding garbage along the way needlessly. And that is all I have to say.

Regardless of whether or not Tim Miller is "in the loop," Equusearch is not going to use their resources to go somewhere and search when the body has already been found. There are too many other people who need those resources.

I've listened to Besseler's statement several times now. His deputy wanted him to have LE follow the garbage trucks. Bessler says he ordered a car to follow each truck to "sort through the garbage as it was collected and brought in." In other words, when they searched the contents of the trucks, they did so in order, as the garbage was collected, one truck at a time as the trucks were brought into the dump (as opposed to letting all of the trucks pick up and go to the landfill unescorted and mixing the trash of all the trucks together, and with other trash at the landfill - which could have really muddied things). They would have had to sort through all of the neighborhood trash with no idea which part of the neighborhood's trash was dumped where. If they found the body doing it that way, there would be no guarantee that the body was with all the garbage that had been dumped in the same dumpster/part of the neighborhood as the remains.

He needed LE to follow each truck to see and notate exactly where each truck went in the neighborhood, and in what order they collected trash. He needed them to sit on the trucks (follow them and watch them) and to ensure that they weren't tampered with at any time prior to Wednesday morning's search - it tightened up the chain of custody in case anything of evidentiary value was found. That's what he assigned LE to do. And LE searched both of the landfills where neighborhood trash was taken, one truck at a time - sorting through it in order, as it were.

Again, if they had found the body in OP there would have been a huge crime scene there. And if LE just didn't want the public to know where the body was found, they would simply tell the media they aren't releasing that info in order to protect the investigation, just like they did with the COD.

ccane

12-07-2009, 11:37 PM

I have been rounding up the news video to pinpoint when they started to back off on the searches tuesday.. i hope all the links work okay

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/#/Sheriff+Beseler+6+a.m.+News+Conference/49317735001 6am

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21350503/ 10:43

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/ 24 hour foul play? organized searches ? ..

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21353409/ 24 hours here is recap by news to hold off
So I think this is where they knew it was more then they where saying

doggies

12-07-2009, 11:39 PM

Where is everyone? This is the least active I have seen this thread at night in a long time:(
I think everyone is 'idea-ed' out and tired of surmising. You have to at least have enough information in order to ask intelligent questions-otherwise, you just can't come to any conclusions. And we know very little.
I guess I, for one, am close to losing the faith.
I resolve to keep going, though, in order to find justice for Somer.
Maybe tomorrow...

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 12:18 AM

I havent lost faith. Im just weary of tomatos. I will check the bathroom at the park and try the video thing again when i get back to jax end of the week.

hopetohelp

12-08-2009, 12:20 AM

I have been rounding up the news video to pinpoint when they started to back off on the searches tuesday.. i hope all the links work okay

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/#/Sheriff+Beseler+6+a.m.+News+Conference/49317735001 6am

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21350503/ 10:43

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/ 24 hour foul play? organized searches ? ..

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21353409/ 24 hours here is recap by news to hold off
So I think this is where they knew it was more then they where saying

It would be interesting to have info specifically about Florida's Child Abduction Response Team protocol. I think once that system is set into motion, things are done in a particular fashion, although the original agency receiving the report remains the lead on the investigation.

Anyway, Goodnight all.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 12:33 AM

bkcrt
Any luck on the AF you were sleuthing?

human

12-08-2009, 12:37 AM

I think that the video of the Sheriff asking for volunteers to wait is because of what he was saying. They knew it probably was not Somer just running away.

They had hundreds of professionals available now and they didn't want the volunteers to mess up any evidence or perhaps the perp to be able to get away with more shenanigans.

That's why I think no more volunteers, until they regrouped, as he said.

bkcrt

12-08-2009, 12:59 AM

bkcrt
Any luck on the AF you were sleuthing?

Well...no I guess. Primarily I was questioning him going to funeral. Then after seeing he had brothers and a younger one, thought he might know AC. After looking at his MS and seeing younger brother in T-shirt, I had questions about ICP and whether there is a following in OP...as I found quite a few "friends" on his MS that called themselves followers. And also a few who talked about skateboarding. Because I have heard things about this group (ICP followers) and violence, I was curious about whether anyone local knew anything. Someone responded to my post and seemed to think ICP is harmless. I'm not sure if I believe that. I just trying to throw anything out there though....since things seem to be at a standstill.

There are some ICP followers (friends of AF) talking about a "snitch" in their comments. I'm sure this means nothing. They do talk about drugs so maybe that is it.

From his MS, it seems that AF is an okay kid.........but he does have a few creepy friends. I know from my own sons MS that sometimes the people you add as "friends" aren't anyone you actually socialize with. And sometimes they are just added for the heck of it.

I go back and forth on who I think did this to poor little Somer. I do believe that if it were a juvenile offender, he had help disposing of the body....And someone knows something. But if there is a "Gang mentality" or whoever was involved is fearful, it may not come out for a while.

Teenagers know ALOT....I know, I have one. They know who the creepy guys are in the neighborhood, they know which kids do drugs and where to get them. They know which kids have mental issues.

I think someone ( a juvenile) in OP has an idea and is just not talking or is afraid.....

bkcrt

12-08-2009, 01:03 AM

Please excuse my grammar and missing letters in the above post. It's past my bedtime. I'm fairly literate when I'm awake.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 01:08 AM

Good night... still hope for tomorrow.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 01:14 AM

Please excuse my grammar and missing letters in the above post. It's past my bedtime. I'm fairly literate when I'm awake.

Haha. My grammar and letters get messed up even when Im wide awake. I think you make some good points. No stoned unturned. In this case you never know.. anything could be significant.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 08:52 AM

Where is everyone??? Bein all alone on here is creepy............

pinamia

12-08-2009, 09:23 AM

Ya know - I think you guys might just be onto something...

She sounds more like an accomplice to me, unfortunately. Who wouldn't search the dumpster herself if she saw someone throwing a little girl in the trash especially since Somer was missing? :furious:

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 09:43 AM

She sounds more like an accomplice to me, unfortunately. Who wouldn't search the dumpster herself if she saw someone throwing a little girl in the trash especially since Somer was missing? :furious:

Pin.. Refresh me.. the mysterious neighbor?

SailorMoon

12-08-2009, 09:48 AM

Just wanted to throw in a comment about ICP. I'm in my mid 40's and listened to them and still wear their shirt once in a while. I have 3 kids and I DON"T listen to them as frequently (like hardly ever) since a) I misplaced my cds and b) I'm a christian. I know the music and the lyrics are foul language, but my kids listened to them as well and we are from out there hurting anyone. We would give you the shirt off our backs and especially stick up for abused/neglected animals. I think they are harmless, however, each person is different. FWIW.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 09:51 AM

WLK pretrial tomorrow

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 09:51 AM

ICP is Insane Clown Posse... band right.. Its not a gang too, is it?

New1

12-08-2009, 10:01 AM

Please do not quote in its entirety.

Instead, use the Quote button and delete everything but the parts you want to discuss. This post is huge.

List of FACTS in Somer's case: Version VIII

Credit for compiling goes to: SharetheLight (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4387978&postcount=757), Cajun Girl, CCane, Dee10, Doggies, Isabella, MammaD and Many Other Fabulous WSers.

I'm trying to remember to add names here as people give information. If you know that I've updated this because of something you've provided, let me know, and I'll add your name. I still don't have a good system for updating this, even after 8 versions.

These are facts as reported by media and/or from the MPR. Tried to put links to source where available.

SOMER
Somer Thompson was 7 years old when she disappeared on October 19, 2009.
Somer was wearing a cranberry jump suit (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33410779/ns/today-today_people/) (sweat suit (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/AMBERAlert.jpg)) with a matching top to the bottom and pink satin stripes down the sides of arms and legs, and a black shirt underneath (http://tinyurl.com/yjklsn8).
Somer's birthday is April 5, 2002.
Somer was not in the habit of wandering off, according to her mom (http://tinyurl.com/yjklsn8) in video (on left, scroll down in video list) Diena Thompson Addresses The Media.
Somer routinelyhttp://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...girl_somer_ren wandered around and nobody knew where she was, according to a babysitter.
Somer wore a red ribbon in her ponytail on October 19.
AB (neighbor) drove Somer to school on October 19 and said it was a normal morning and Somer was her usual self (http://www.news4jax.com/news/21363638/detail.html).
Somer went to school (GPE) and left school at regular time (2:32 p.m.).
Somer was walking home with a group of kids that included sister AT and brother AT.
Something happened on the walk home and Somer ran ahead to walk alone.
An AMBER Alert was issued on Tuesday morning. It does not mention the book bag or lunchbox, but mentions her possibly wearing white hat and scarf. JPG of AMBER Alert (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/AMBERAlert.jpg)
Somer lived with her mom Diena Thompson, her twin brother ST, her older sister AT. (Unsure whether half-brother AC lived with them)
Somer's body was found at Chesser Island Landfill in Folkston, GA (http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpop...dOQmnB05w.cspx). She was tentatively identified by her clothing and a birthmark.
Somer's lunchbox and book bag (see sketches (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/video_photos.cfm?id=69151)as released by LE and shown on AMW) have not been found. Details first reported on AMW (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=69151)November 7. (Previous reports had not mentioned description of lunchbox; backpack/book bag was described several ways, now believed to be in error, including but not limited to "black book bag," "pink black and white backpack with skulls, hearts, and crossbones" and "Hannah Montana backpack.")

DIENA
Diena and Samuel Thompson are estranged and in the process of divorcing.
Diena has a live-in boyfriend (CPC, who goes by P).
Diena said she had lunch at her home on October 19 with SAP, a family friend.
Diena asked SAP to wait until the kids got home from school (http://tinyurl.com/y8wflf8). (from narrative MPR, but what was he to do after that?)
Dena texts SAP around 4 p.m., asking how the kids were; SAP replied that Somer had not come home with the other kids.
Diena leaves work early to search for Somer.
Diena felt something was wrong this time, and this is why she responded quickly to news of Somer not making it home that day.
Diena calls her boyfriend, CPC aka P, at about 4:20 p.m., tells him Somer didn’t come home, and asks him to leave work to help search for her.
Diena stops at OPAA to pick up oldest son AC.
Diena flags down D/S A. Coan (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im...ice.report.pdf) at the corner of Floyd Circle West and Gano, and reports Somer missing.

SAMUEL
Samuel lives in North Carolina and has not seen Somer in 2 years.
Samuel came to FL on the Sunday after Somer's disappearance.
Samuel says soot was found on Somer’s body in NG interview). (Later, he recants that statement through relative on WS because the source of this information, his sister LH, is thought to be unreliable.)

SEAN A. P. (SAP)
SAP is a close family friend of family.
SAP is said to have had lunch with Diena at her house on October 19 (in the MPR, he does not state this himself but Diena does).
SAP is asked to wait at house until kids come home from school. (from MPR narrative; not sure what he was to do after they came home)..
SAP had not been asked to do this before. This was his first time.
SAP asks where Somer is when AT and ST arrived around 3:10 p.m.
SAP sent AT to look for Somer. When she returned about 15 minutes later without her, SAP told her to look again real good before he called Diena.
SAP gets text from Diena around 4 p.m. asking how the kids were doing; he texts back that Somer did not come home with the other kids and AT is out looking for her.Diena says she will leave work and come look for Somer.
SAP changed details on his indigo healing website (http://www.indigo-healing.net/Home_Page.html) (e.g., specializing in helping indigo adults and children, removed his photo) sometime between October 19 and October 21, 2009. As noted by Cajun Girl and her sleuthing. (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4322003&postcount=89)
SAP opened bank account for donations to Somer’s family, and the account is in his name.

C. PERRY C.
CPC is Diena's live-in boyfriend.
CPC gets call about 4:20 p.m. from Diena who tells him Somer didn’t come home; Diena asks him to leave work to help search for her.
CPC leaves work and drives to the Horton Drive home; arrives at about 5 p.m.
CPC picks up ST (twin) at the house about 5 p.m. and goes to search for Somer.

GANO AVENUE HOUSE
This house caught fire months ago and is being restored.
Work crews have been at that house.
[VD&B (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=147122) is the contractor working on the house.
Kyle, who works with the contractor, was there on October 19, and said that Somer came in the yard, told him that he/they were doing a good job on the house, and went back the way she came. (Thanks, MammaD!)
Kyle is the last person known to see Somer alive.
There are propane tanks surrounded by a fence about a block the house (toward school).
J., a minor, was riding his bike home when he saw Somer running around near the tanks and that she he thought she was excited but had a frown on her face.
OPAA is a park and sporting fields across the street from the house.
LE searched the house extensively on Thursday and Friday.
The Gano House was proclaimed a crime scene (http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/crime/story.aspx?storyid=116107&catid=82), as was the search area.

LAW ENFORCEMENT
LE searched the Gano Avenue house extensively and the men's room (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21389447/detail.html) at OPAA briefly and came out with a bag.
An autopsy was performed, and LE knows the cause of death, but that have not released that information (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21389447/detail.html).
Sheriff reports only one person cleared in the investigation into Somer’s death and that is him.

Investigators made the request (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21435492/detail.html) / recommendation (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-26/story/large_crowd_expected_for_somer_thompsons_funeral) that Somer's casket be closed.

OTHER PEOPLE
AB drove Somer to school on October 19.
AB appeared on TV (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-body-found-sheriff-matches-birthmark-clothing/story?id=8887834)with Sheriff Beseler (http://www.livedash.com/transcript/good_morning_america/714/KGO/Thursday_October_22_2009/99710/). Don't want video to appear in this post: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33427923#33427923"]msnbc.com.

A female neighbor who asked that her name not be reported, upon hearing of Somer’s disappearance, tells LE to check the vacant house on Gano Avenue and its dumpster. After Somer is found in the landfill, she said she wishes she would have checked it herself.

A (different?) female neighbor, when questioned about the trash pick-up day, made a comment that the trash had already been collected that day so to take that however you want to. A WSer posted that it was the woman who drove Somer to school; that would have been AB. I wasn't sure which video it is at the link provided in the post.

Houses in the vicinity of the Gano house were searched on Tuesday, October 20. The search literally hit home for schools Superintendent Ben Wortham, who lives about 100 yards from the Gano Drive spot where Somer was last seen. About 2 a.m. Tuesday, his house and many others in the vicinity were “searched from top to bottom,” Wortham said.

GARBAGE
Bruce Owens, an officer suggests to the sheriff that all trash trucks should be followed and searched so they can isolate the trash coming out of this area, the trash trucks are then followed. (Later reported that Joe Jett gets credit for this.)
Somer was found dead on October 21 in the Chesser Island Landfill in Fokston, Georgia.
LE followed the trucks to the Chesser Island Landfill.

There is at least one video of an interview with Diena that is blacked out-significant portion of interview is missing at the point where DT is recalling something from the day. (Could this just be because it was raw video and they edited out camera man movement?)

RSOs
There are 161 RSOs (http://www.wctv.tv/APNews/headlines/65806732.html) that live within 5 miles of Somer’s home.
CWG’s name and contact info appears on the initial police report (in error (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-23/story/somers_slaying_investigaton_narrowing_down_origin_ of_trash) as a case of mistaken identity) detailing her disappearance, along with the names of family, neighbors, and others.
The owner of VD&B has a brother who is an RSO. His name is GCV (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=5693).
Since Somer disappeared many RSO’s have been arrested for failing to update their addresses.

UNRELATED BUT YET, RELATED
What was thought to be an attempted abduction 10 days before Somer's disappearance turned out not to be an attempted abduction and was not related to Somer's disappearance according to LE. Even after LE said there was no connection, reports on blue Nissans (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-12/story/in_somer_thompson_case_rumors_become_a_big_problem ) poured in to the CCSO.

A police report in the Clay County Daily indicated that 4 burglary suspects were arrested at the Thompson home. LE later said that the address was in error and gave this explanation: An officer who was at the Thompson home was called to an unrelated burglary call and made the arrest of 4 individuals (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-12/story/in_somer_thompson_case_rumors_become_a_big_problem )but when he filed his report, he forgot to change the address. If you check the Clay County Daily (http://p2c.claysheriff.com/dailybulletin.aspx) for 11/21, you will find the correct information now.

CWG's name on the MPR was a result of mistaken identity (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-23/story/somers_slaying_investigaton_narrowing_down_origin_ of_trash) according to LE.

BBM

We all know what you meant, but her twin brother was ST instead of AT. Not being nit picky. Good job on this list of facts as we know them.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 10:01 AM

I have watched video after video, read article after article, and I understand when Justino said they had contacted all the RSO's, including the five that were absconded, and that part of the investigation was over unless more information was brought forward to revisit them. I keep hearing that the RSO's are "cleared". To me, this doesnt mean they are cleared, just that they were investigated initially, their homes were searched, and their families contacted. This was initial search to find somer, right? I keep going back to "false alibis".

Also, an update on merita truck guy. RUMOR: I heard his house and vehicle were part of the initial search in the neighborhood. This would make sense that the phone calls to him were a follow-up and not the initial contact. So there wasnt any "element of surprise" missing.

not_my_kids

12-08-2009, 10:12 AM

ICP is Insane Clown Posse... band right.. Its not a gang too, is it?

Not even close. Pop culture following only.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 10:44 AM

RSO REA Who lives right where the short cut comes out was cited for tag light on a dump truck.

Chickadee

12-08-2009, 11:02 AM

REA??? I don't see him on Noway's list. I do see an AER. LOL

Do you have a link to this REA guy, maybe from FDLE? TIA

pingpong

12-08-2009, 11:06 AM

I've often wondered about the 4 armed burglars that were in the neighborhhood that day. Were they gang members? Did Somer see something, or come across them after she left the Gano House? Did they have a car hidden in the neighborhood somewhere, or another person who drove them? Did they take Somer to create chaos, in order to rob people? Could it have been a gang initiation? I noticed the gang tag(s) on the utility box before Fromhart street. I tried to see if any of the 4 arrested had scratches....

JMO about the digging at night in the Gano yard....if I lived in that neighborhood, I would be grateful that my child didn't have to pass by while they were digging.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 11:07 AM

REA??? I don't see him on Noway's list. I do see an AER. LOL

Do you have a link to this REA guy, maybe from FDLE? TIAhttp://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=38021
http://firstcoast.momslikeme.com/members/JournalActions.aspx?g=445337&m=8092487&source=stream_user

Chickadee

12-08-2009, 11:14 AM

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=38021
http://firstcoast.momslikeme.com/members/JournalActions.aspx?g=445337&m=8092487&source=stream_user

Oh yeah HIM :sick:
It doesn't show that he owns a dump truck on FDLE.

I see you added another link. So the info must be in the comment section...going to read them now.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 11:24 AM

Remember the RSO last name S*****, sounds like tires..that IIRC was absconded and we never found? I cant find the rest of his name.. was he outside the radius?

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 11:25 AM

Oh yeah HIM :sick:
It doesn't show that he owns a dump truck on FDLE.

I see you added another link. So the info must be in the comment section...going to read them now.

not in comments.. hold a sec

Sorry Chic.. just put that link to show where he lives. Next post shows link.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 11:27 AM

http://clerk.co.clay.fl.us/OdysseyPA/Search.aspx?ID=100&NodeID=1%2c100%2c101%2c102%2c103%2c104%2c105%2c106 %2c107%2c108%2c109%2c110%2c111%2c112%2c113%2c114%2 c115%2c116%2c117%2c118%2c119%2c120%2c121%2c122%2c1 23%2c124%2c125%2c126%2c127%2c128%2c129%2c130%2c131 %2c132%2c133%2c134%2c135%2c136%2c137%2c138%2c139%2 c140%2c141%2c142%2c143%2c144%2c145%2c146%2c147%2c1 48%2c149%2c150%2c151%2c152%2c153%2c154%2c155%2c156 %2c157%2c158%2c159%2c160%2c161%2c162%2c163%2c164%2 c165%2c166%2c167%2c168%2c169%2c170%2c171%2c172%2c1 73%2c174%2c175%2c176%2c177%2c178%2c179%2c180%2c181 %2c182%2c183%2c184%2c185%2c186%2c187%2c188%2c189&NodeDesc=All+Courts

paris_paris

12-08-2009, 11:33 AM

Oh yeah HIM :sick:
It doesn't show that he owns a dump truck on FDLE.

I see you added another link. So the info must be in the comment section...going to read them now.

It's in the court links.

http://clerk.co.clay.fl.us/OdysseyPA/default.aspx

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 11:42 AM

REA??? I don't see him on Noway's list. I do see an AER. LOL

Do you have a link to this REA guy, maybe from FDLE? TIA

Where is Noways list? Grrrrr.

Chickadee

12-08-2009, 11:42 AM

Remember the RSO last name S*****, sounds like tires..that IIRC was absconded and we never found? I cant find the rest of his name.. was he outside the radius?

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=40024

All it says for him is Duval County.

Chickadee

12-08-2009, 11:43 AM

Where is Noways list? Grrrrr.

http://www.lostnmissing.hqforums.com/vp12502.html#12502

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 11:46 AM

I've often wondered about the 4 armed burglars that were in the neighborhhood that day. Were they gang members? Did Somer see something, or come across them after she left the Gano House? Did they have a car hidden in the neighborhood somewhere, or another person who drove them? Did they take Somer to create chaos, in order to rob people? Could it have been a gang initiation? I noticed the gang tag(s) on the utility box before Fromhart street. I tried to see if any of the 4 arrested had scratches....

JMO about the digging at night in the Gano yard....if I lived in that neighborhood, I would be grateful that my child didn't have to pass by while they were digging.

Gang tags? Can u elaborate? I will check it out when I go, take a pic.

Chickadee

12-08-2009, 11:55 AM

Ok so this REA guy. It says Date Filed:11/04/2009, but looks like it happened back in 2006. His FDLE file doesn't say he owns a dump truck, but does say he owns a pick up truck and 3 other vehicles. If he works using a dump truck, wouldn't his employer get the ticket, not him? What in the world does this guy do for work???

doggies

12-08-2009, 12:06 PM

Chickadee,
Unfortunately, the one driving gets the tick-ee. Also unfortunately, I know this from experience. :(

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 12:21 PM

Ok so this REA guy. It says Date Filed:11/04/2009, but looks like it happened back in 2006. His FDLE file doesn't say he owns a dump truck, but does say he owns a pick up truck and 3 other vehicles. If he works using a dump truck, wouldn't his employer get the ticket, not him? What in the world does this guy do for work???

2006? I see 10/28/09. Something about dump truck being exempt is 2006?
I would like to know what he does for work too.

Chickadee

12-08-2009, 12:25 PM

Oops! Sorry, you are right!

Charges:
316.221(2) No tag light-dump trucks EXEMPT eff. 10/1/06 Citation:0904-RHG Statute: 316.221(2) Level: Infraction Date:10/28/2009

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 12:27 PM

AER is redflagged for me big time, hes in jail atm, but hes the one that has all those trespassing charges..

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 12:38 PM

According to a reliable source IMO, hundreds of polygraph tests have been administered, in somers case, some voluntarily, some not.

I, personally, dont trust the results of polygraphs. My ex worked for a company that was experiencing a problem with employee theft. He was subjected to a polygraph as were all the other employees. I know for a fact that he didnt lie, nor did he steal, yet he failed both polygraphs. They caught the person who did it with cameras. This person passed his polygraph.

pingpong

12-08-2009, 12:46 PM

Gang tags? Can u elaborate? I will check it out when I go, take a pic.

The "logo" the gang uses, usually put on with spray paint. It's a territorial thing.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 12:47 PM

HTS, still absconded. So how could LE talk to ALL the RSO's? Am I missing something?

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 12:57 PM

Personally I feel that Somer was not murdered by an SO. I do think Poly's are reliable in most cases however a lot depends on the training of the person who administers them. How about Misty.....there lies a lier.

pinamia

12-08-2009, 01:01 PM

Pin.. Refresh me.. the mysterious neighbor?

We don't know her name. She was anonymous but may be AB since she was with the Sheriff discussing dump.

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 01:02 PM

Some blogs are saying a prank that went bad, however we do know that she was murdered as stated by LE. LE knows the cause of death and knew it almost immediately.

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 01:03 PM

We don't know her name. She was anonymous but may be AB since she was with the Sheriff discussing dump.

She wanted to remain anonymous.

ccane

12-08-2009, 01:05 PM

I've often wondered about the 4 armed burglars that were in the neighborhhood that day. Were they gang members? Did Somer see something, or come across them after she left the Gano House? Did they have a car hidden in the neighborhood somewhere, or another person who drove them? Did they take Somer to create chaos, in order to rob people? Could it have been a gang initiation? I noticed the gang tag(s) on the utility box before Fromhart street. I tried to see if any of the 4 arrested had scratches....

JMO about the digging at night in the Gano yard....if I lived in that neighborhood, I would be grateful that my child didn't have to pass by while they were digging.

Some or all still being held without bail.. I have been looking at this too

Noway

12-08-2009, 01:07 PM

BBM

We all know what you meant, but her twin brother was ST instead of AT. Not being nit picky. Good job on this list of facts as we know them.

This and other corrections have been made. I really ask that it not be quoted in its entirety. I'm not sure I have the right to ask but it's a space issue and that it changes daily and if we can limit the number of times it appears in a thread, I think that is beneficial.

New version
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL - Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park, Thread # 28

When I don't have the opportunity to "Quote" to a new thread, the formatting blows up and I have to work on it a bit to get it cleaned up.

The links go wonky and I pull my hair out, so if the mods could give a heads up when they are going to create a new thread and whoever starts the thread (mod or otherwise) could QUOTE this over (lastet version will be in my signature), that would be great. :blowkiss:

ccane

12-08-2009, 01:10 PM

Sad I have been meaning to ask u did sam also get a lock of Somers hair ?

ccane

12-08-2009, 01:12 PM

Noway on your list of happenings do you remember when they said they found Somers Body. I watch a video yesterday of Sheriff saying she was found at 9:00. I thought it was earlier then 9

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 01:19 PM

FYI announcement re body found at landfill.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/22/georgia.landfill.body/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 01:19 PM

I believe it was around 3 pm.

ccane

12-08-2009, 01:24 PM

I believe it was around 3 pm.

Here he says 9:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcqoCQCakSs&feature=related

Here he says afternoon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrBdPD6z0nY&feature=related

Maybe he is just tired?

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 01:28 PM

Personally I feel that Somer was not murdered by an SO. I do think Poly's are reliable in most cases however a lot depends on the training of the person who administers them. How about Misty.....there lies a lier.

I know cath, and your probably right about SO's. But its the only route I have to follow that I can at least go back to when the other possibilities get too much for me. Finding them and getting them arrested for not registering doesnt hurt my feelings either. I think polys also depend on the person and whether or not they believe they are telling the truth. Did that make any sense?

Noway

12-08-2009, 01:30 PM

Noway on your list of happenings do you remember when they said they found Somers Body. I watch a video yesterday of Sheriff saying she was found at 9:00. I thought it was earlier then 9

AFAIK, the body of a small child was found around 3:30 p.m. on Wednesday. Sheriff notified Diena on Wednesday at 9 p.m. that it was Somer. This was based on the birthmark and the clothing of the victim.

ETA
Watched the video from Thursday a.m. He said "last night about 9 detectives unconvered the body ..." JMO but I think this means until then, they had seen only legs and were examining trash as they got to body. Once they uncovered her, they were able to ID the clothing and the bookmark and reported to the Sheriff that based on that, it was Somer. Later, dental records confirmed that.

I don't think the Sheriff was saying that the body was found at 9, just that at that point they identified her as Somer. JMO

ccane

12-08-2009, 01:36 PM

AFAIK, the body of a small child was found around 3:30 p.m. on Wednesday. Sheriff notified Diena at 9 p.m. that ir was Somer. This was based on the birthmark and the clothing of the victim.

ETA
Watched the video from Thursday a.m. He said last night about 9 detectives unconvered the body. Until then, they had seen only legs and were examining trash as they got to body?

I don't think the Sheriff was saying that the body was found at 9, just that at that point they identified her as Somer. JMO

Ya I think they are just burnt out and not saying things correct at this point.
Thats why I asked.. thanks

Noway

12-08-2009, 01:39 PM

I think it was a question of how his statement was interpreted.

I took it to mean that he could confirm it was Somer because at 9 last night (Wednesday 9 p.m.) detectives had uncovered the body (which had been visible only from legs down).

Noway

12-08-2009, 01:42 PM

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/News/April-2009/South-Florida-Child-Abduction-Response-Team-Become.aspx

From April 2009:
The Florida Department of Law Enforcement’s South Florida Child Abduction Response Team (CART) has become the second team in the nation to obtain national certification. CART is a multi-agency team designed to immediately mobilize assistance and investigative resources to the lead investigative agency when a child goes missing under suspicious circumstances.

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/getdoc/573308f2-8ec5-42e5-a832-e36ed75c4688/CART_Brochure_Jan08.aspx

Properly trained and exercised team members bring not only their expertise, but organization and coordination skills, as well as team
continuity to the situation. They provide ready access to any needed equipment such as mobile command posts, all terrain vehicles, search
dogs, communications equipment, computers or any other specialty equipment that may be needed to safely rescue a child. Because of the
pre-established plan, teams are scalable, able to immediately assemble as many or as few assets as required by the specific situation.

ccane

12-08-2009, 01:42 PM

What do we know about the 4 guys that where on the report with the wrong address? I saw some where still held without bail

Noway

12-08-2009, 01:44 PM

http://www.officer.com/web/online/Top-News-Stories/Florida-Police-Stage-Mock-Child-Abduction-Exercise-/1$43965

Local law enforcement agencies created a mock kidnapping to put the area's child abduction response team to the test.

Officials conducted the mock kidnapping at Markham Park in Sunrise, rolling out K-9 and other assets for the challenge. The goal was to determine how officers deal with a child abduction report.

More at link.

Noway

12-08-2009, 01:47 PM

http://www.amberalert.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/ojp_05_1130.htm

FT. MYERS, Fla. - The Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs (OJP) today announced an initiative to train regional Child Abduction Response Teams (CART) nationwide to respond quickly to incidents of missing and abducted children.

...

The CART program began earlier this year as a result of the abduction of 11-year-old Carlie Brucia in Sarasota, Fla. in February 2004 that ended in tragedy. Members of FDLE's Orlando Regional Operations Center determined a need for their region to have trained experts in the field of child abduction investigation and response who could respond to an abduction immediately, assist the lead local law enforcement agency and bring addition regional resources to the recovery effort. OJP has modified Florida's local CART model so it can be adopted by regions nationwide. To date, OJP has conducted four regional CART training sessions in Florida. CART has been activated 13 times and as a result of those activations, 11 children have been recovered in Florida.

More on CART.

I'd just bookmark these but I'm on a different computer and want access to them when I'm back on my laptop.

human

12-08-2009, 01:51 PM

AER is redflagged for me big time, hes in jail atm, but hes the one that has all those trespassing charges..

He's the homeless person? What are the trespassing charges for, I wonder?

Was he casing places to rob, to peep, or was he sleeping there? Is there a way to find out?

Noway

12-08-2009, 01:53 PM

This is on page 39/69 of this document (http://www.***************.com/Child%20Abduction%20Response%20Team.pdf). I have not read through it ... just found and scanned and posted this.

Link broke when I posted it before

h t t p
w w w
write into action dot com
Child Abduction Response Team.pdf

The link keeps breaking when I post it here even when I "hide" it. Remove spaces in first three lines and use a period instead of d-o-t, add a slash and leave the spaces in the PDF file name.

FIRST RESPONDER
MISSING CHILD "TOP 20" INITIAL RESPONSE TASKS

1. Verify jurisdiction based on where child was last seen.

2. Interview person who made initial missing child report.

3. Obtain detailed description of missing child/clothes/abductor/vehicle bicycle.

4. Relay B.O.L.O. (be on the look out) information for broadcast on all channels to local law enforcement agencies.

5. Search residence, yard, surrounding areas to determine whether child is in fact missing.

6. Have responding units search surrounding areas as they arrive.

7. Request K-9 assistance (preferably bloodhound).

8. Request as needed helicopter, boat, and divers.

9. Interview persons that saw child last.

10. Evaluate contents and appearance of child’s room and home.

11. Look with caretaker to see if personal items are missing.

12. Decide if evidence best supports treatment as runaway or custodial taking, predatory abduction.

13. Utilize media resources to your advantage (television, radio, etc.).

14. Secure as crime scene if not clearly runaway or custodial taking.

15. Preserve child’s bedding, used clothes, shoes, for K-9 and evidence.

16. Protect hairbrush, diary, items with child’s fingerprints, computer/disks, and footprints.

17. Have classification entered in NCIC/FCIC.

18. Notify F.D.L.E. Missing Children Information Clearinghouse.

19. Obtain names, addresses, and telephone numbers of child’s friends, relatives, school, and doctors.

20. Notify local FBI Office if abduction may be predatory and FBI CASKU.

Noway

12-08-2009, 01:55 PM

I see that some of my links in siggy are not working. I have to run out and will be back later to fix.

Map, Bag and Clay Daily ....

ccane

12-08-2009, 02:09 PM

One more question today.. after they found the body the sheriff said they were leaving the OPAA area and to move the stuff to Blanding .. does anyone know where on blanding ?

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 02:11 PM

Sad I have been meaning to ask u did sam also get a lock of Somers hair ?

Its weird for you to ask that when we just got off the phone and we discussed that very thing. My heart breaks for him so badly. He cant discuss what happened to somer without breaking down. He didnt get a lock of hair.
:(

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 02:11 PM

Ccane do you think he meant this?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/camp-blanding.htm

human

12-08-2009, 02:13 PM

1. I tried to find what kind of soil is in Orange Park. All I came up with was the quote from a lawn service.

"Soil type is another factor to consider when making decisions concerning lawn care. The predominant soil type in the Jacksonville area is alkaline, sandy soil that is largely devoid of plant nutrients"

From this I make the judgment that what ever they were digging for at the Gano house went deep into the soil. A liquid would go quite quickly. I still don't get why they need digging equipment, however.

Where I live, it is solid clay. Sandy soil seems like it would be so easy to dig by hand and safer in order to preserve evidence.

I wonder if they dug up things such as Concrete footings, or patio or?

Otherwise, digging equipment doesn't make much sense. Even I can dig sandy soil by hand.

2. Where I live, if you see "exempt" on a license plate it means that the vehicle belongs to a public agency. City ,county, that kind of thing.

But I don't what the "exempt " would mean on the report for the RSO. I don't know if it is referring to the license plate or some other issue.

3. I suppose there is no way for anyone to see what they were digging in the Gano house, is there? A casual drive by wouldn't do it? With binoculars, standing on the roof of the builiding at the OPAA? (JK)

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 02:13 PM

One more question today.. after they found the body the sheriff said they were leaving the OPAA area and to move the stuff to Blanding .. does anyone know where on blanding ?

When you said stuff did you mean evidence garbage? thx

pinamia

12-08-2009, 02:16 PM

One more question today.. after they found the body the sheriff said they were leaving the OPAA area and to move the stuff to Blanding .. does anyone know where on blanding ?

The cemetery is near Blanding Blvd.

http://www.wcjb.com/news/5250/funeral-and-memorial-services-announced-for-somer-thompson

There is also a forensic lab in Blanding, Utah.

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 02:28 PM

human, I have no clue what they were digging up but it must have been something like a weapon or? Was it a back hoe? Maybe "Cam" can help us out on this.

pinamia

12-08-2009, 02:31 PM

Its weird for you to ask that when we just got off the phone and we discussed that very thing. My heart breaks for him so badly. He cant discuss what happened to somer without breaking down. He didnt get a lock of hair.
:(

I'm sending you a PM. I don't think ST will ever get over this because of what he didn't do when Somer was found. Not viewing her body was a big mistake for his grieving process.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 02:32 PM

AFAIK, the body of a small child was found around 3:30 p.m. on Wednesday. Sheriff notified Diena on Wednesday at 9 p.m. that it was Somer. This was based on the birthmark and the clothing of the victim.

ETA
Watched the video from Thursday a.m. He said "last night about 9 detectives unconvered the body ..." JMO but I think this means until then, they had seen only legs and were examining trash as they got to body. Once they uncovered her, they were able to ID the clothing and the bookmark and reported to the Sheriff that based on that, it was Somer. Later, dental records confirmed that.

I don't think the Sheriff was saying that the body was found at 9, just that at that point they identified her as Somer. JMO

I know that ST found out about the birthmark and clothing between 3:30 and 4:30. I dont know what time LH got the call from the sheriff to say she was officially identified, but it had to be later that night or really early thurs morn. I always assumed it was probably around 9, like the call to DT was.

Thats also why it never really struck me as odd that the sheriff called DT at 9, because I think he had already told her it was somer based on birthmark and the call was just a formality to confirm it. I think she asked him to call as soon as he knew for sure and he did.

JennaLee

12-08-2009, 02:34 PM

Hi all, I have been following these threads off and on, and my heart goes out to each and every member of Somer's family suffering from the loss of such a beautiful child.

Someone on one of these Somer blogs had previously mentioned a theory (ONLY A THEORY, nothing factual) that perhaps someone accidentally hit Somer while she was running across a street, knocking her unconscious, and instead of doing the right thing, hurriedly put her body in their trunk and left the scene.

The theory goes on to present the idea that when she woke up, the driver heartlessly killed her and buried her in a dumpster. I can see this type of thing happening, or maybe Somer could have been stuck by a vehicle and killed instantly, the driver panicking and disposing of the body as soon as they felt they wouldn't be seen.

Are either of the above theories even a possibility? That she was injured or killed accidentally in some way by a selfish, heartless stranger who cared more about keeping themselves out of trouble than saving a young child?

As morbid as it sounds, I much prefer that her short life ended swiftly and without as little suffering as possible. The thought of the alternative is just horrifying. Are either of the above scenarios even a possibility, or have the authorities discovered evidence to confirm the contrary?

I know much hasn't been released, but comments made by John Walsh (America's Most Wanted) about thinking the killer is a "cool, calculating predator" make me wonder if they've definitely been able to rule this out completely or if pre-meditated, intentional abduction and murder is what's suspected, but not for absolute certain.

Older article that has the source of John Walsh's comment below:

http://www.momlogic.com/2009/10/somer_thompsons_killer_may_have_struck_before.php

Recovering-Lurker

12-08-2009, 02:36 PM

I'm sending you a PM. I don't think ST will ever get over this because of what he didn't do when Somer was found. Not viewing her body was a big mistake for his grieving process.

What if a person is in an unviewable state? I certainly wouldn't want the last time I saw deceased loved one to leave a horrible memory.

pghbrandi

12-08-2009, 02:41 PM

I don't think I would be able to actually believe that my child was gone if I didn't see inside for myself.(I honestly pray that I will never have to face that either.) I know I would be in denial.

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 02:41 PM

What if a person is in an unviewable state? I certainly wouldn't want the last time I saw deceased loved one to leave a horrible memory.

Yes indeed, I think this was the case. The trash compacter aspect alone would be too much.

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 02:50 PM

I was just thinking this why is the COD such a secret? When you think about all the dreadful cases of children being murdered they always seem to disclose some details. For example most recent Shaniya . So....I am trying to figure out what would be the reason. We do not know if she was sexually assaulted, whether she was found fully clothed, partial etc.

Noway

12-08-2009, 02:51 PM

The link to the PDF I'd posted kept breaking. Hope you can use your secret decoder ring to figure out the link!

This is on page 39/69 of this document. I have not read through it ... just found and scanned and posted this.

Link broke when I posted it before

h t t p
w w w
write into action dot com
Child Abduction Response Team.pdf

The link keeps breaking when I post it here even when I "hide" it. Remove spaces in first three lines and use a period instead of d-o-t, add a slash and leave the spaces in the PDF file name.

Then burn this message. :)

pinamia

12-08-2009, 02:54 PM

What if a person is in an unviewable state? I certainly wouldn't want the last time I saw deceased loved one to leave a horrible memory.

Paul Newman said it best about his son's death from a drug overdose. Everything in his life was divided into two periods, time before his son died and afterward.

Failure to see and hold the dead child could have adverse effects on parents’ mourning… by promoting grief avoidance that can result in delayed mourning.

Noway

12-08-2009, 02:59 PM

One more question today.. after they found the body the sheriff said they were leaving the OPAA area and to move the stuff to Blanding .. does anyone know where on blanding ?

CCSO Orange Park Operations Center located at 212 Blanding Boulevard.

http://www.claysheriff.com/05_01_00news.asp?NewsID=245

Just a guess on my part.

ETA:
Orange Park Operations Center
(Operations/Detectives Headquarters)
Main (904) 213-6600
Fax (904) 213-6409

http://www.claysheriff.com/00_08_0Contact.asp

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 03:01 PM

Wow Noway, I am trying to decode with no luck. So.....I will keep trying.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 03:04 PM

Hi all, I have been following these threads off and on, and my heart goes out to each and every member of Somer's family suffering from the loss of such a beautiful child.

Someone on one of these Somer blogs had previously mentioned a theory (ONLY A THEORY, nothing factual) that perhaps someone accidentally hit Somer while she was running across a street, knocking her unconscious, and instead of doing the right thing, hurriedly put her body in their trunk and left the scene.

The theory goes on to present the idea that when she woke up, the driver heartlessly killed her and buried her in a dumpster. I can see this type of thing happening, or maybe Somer could have been stuck by a vehicle and killed instantly, the driver panicking and disposing of the body as soon as they felt they wouldn't be seen.

Are either of the above theories even a possibility? That she was injured or killed accidentally in some way by a selfish, heartless stranger who cared more about keeping themselves out of trouble than saving a young child?

As morbid as it sounds, I much prefer that her short life ended swiftly and without as little suffering as possible. The thought of the alternative is just horrifying. Are either of the above scenarios even a possibility, or have the authorities discovered evidence to confirm the contrary?

I know much hasn't been released, but comments made by John Walsh (America's Most Wanted) about thinking the killer is a "cool, calculating predator" make me wonder if they've definitely been able to rule this out completely or if pre-meditated, intentional abduction and murder is what's suspected, but not for absolute certain.

Older article that has the source of John Walsh's comment below:

http://www.momlogic.com/2009/10/somer_thompsons_killer_may_have_struck_before.php

If we go solely on that article, it appears that somer was murdered and sexually assaulted, at least to me that is what a "predator" does, and having this show on AMW so soon also kinda sways it that way. But, on my other hand, I just dont trust the media/talk shows to give facts anymore, unfortunately, that includes Mr Walsh.. IMO.

human

12-08-2009, 03:14 PM

Hi all, I have been following these threads off and on, and my heart goes out to each and every member of Somer's family suffering from the loss of such a beautiful child.

Someone on one of these Somer blogs had previously mentioned a theory (ONLY A THEORY, nothing factual) that perhaps someone accidentally hit Somer while she was running across a street, knocking her unconscious, and instead of doing the right thing, hurriedly put her body in their trunk and left the scene.

The theory goes on to present the idea that when she woke up, the driver heartlessly killed her and buried her in a dumpster. I can see this type of thing happening, or maybe Somer could have been stuck by a vehicle and killed instantly, the driver panicking and disposing of the body as soon as they felt they wouldn't be seen.

Are either of the above theories even a possibility? That she was injured or killed accidentally in some way by a selfish, heartless stranger who cared more about keeping themselves out of trouble than saving a young child?

As morbid as it sounds, I much prefer that her short life ended swiftly and without as little suffering as possible. The thought of the alternative is just horrifying. Are either of the above scenarios even a possibility, or have the authorities discovered evidence to confirm the contrary?

I know much hasn't been released, but comments made by John Walsh (America's Most Wanted) about thinking the killer is a "cool, calculating predator" make me wonder if they've definitely been able to rule this out completely or if pre-meditated, intentional abduction and murder is what's suspected, but not for absolute certain.

Older article that has the source of John Walsh's comment below:

http://www.momlogic.com/2009/10/somer_thompsons_killer_may_have_struck_before.php

I would say no, and the reason for that would be:

Where I live, not Florida, whenever there is a hit and run, the police immediately put out all information about possiblity of type of vehicle, color, where the accident occurred, where on the vehicle one would expect to see damage such as hood, bumper, that kind of thing. They give as much info as they can to the public to get help. They do not say that the community is in danger or that a child killer is on the loose.

That type of person is far different than a run of the mill predator or murderer. There is no way that I can see that this is a car accident.

IMHO

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 03:19 PM

[QUOTE=human;4537481]He's the homeless person? What are the trespassing charges for, I wonder?

Was he casing places to rob, to peep, or was he sleeping there? Is there a way to find out?[/QUOTE
I dont know the answer to any of your questions, but it would seem he would have known the gano house was empty, just by passing thru. His arrest record is a very long list.

ccane

12-08-2009, 03:19 PM

When you said stuff did you mean evidence garbage? thx

No .. he just said they we be moving to another location

Noway

12-08-2009, 03:23 PM

Wow Noway, I am trying to decode with no luck. So.....I will keep trying.

I think I goofed.

When I PASTE I get %20 in the spaces of the PDF name but when I look at the link online they are not there.

http://www.REPLACE THIS WITH WRITEINTODOTCOM (http://www.***************.com/Child%20Abduction%20Response%20Team.pdf)

/Child%20Abduction%20Response%20Team.pdf (http://www.***************.com/Child%20Abduction%20Response%20Team.pdf)

ccane

12-08-2009, 03:25 PM

The cemetery is near Blanding Blvd.

http://www.wcjb.com/news/5250/funeral-and-memorial-services-announced-for-somer-thompson

There is also a forensic lab in Blanding, Utah.

Was there ever a Cart location set up on Blanding like they had at the JR high and OPAA?

I read the searchers where looking near the cemetery too so I wonder if there is a reason after they found the body they moved closer to there

Noway

12-08-2009, 03:31 PM

ccane is having the problem I had LOL ... something wonky with posts not showing and then 3 of them popping in.

COMMAND CENTER
I think the OP Command Center has been there on Blanding since at least 2007.
ETA: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 See link (http://www.claysheriff.com/05_01_00news.asp?NewsID=245).

One more attempt at link to PDF.

http://www.rightintoaction.com/Child%20Abduction%20Response%20Team.pdf

but change right to write and you may have to put the slash in before the word Child.

Noway

12-08-2009, 03:34 PM

Apparently posting the link to that PDF required a level of security clearance I did not have.

:D

Noway

12-08-2009, 03:46 PM

If you tried my most recent attempt at providing the link and it worked (or didn't) let me know, please.

fbeyes

12-08-2009, 04:01 PM

I was just thinking this why is the COD such a secret? When you think about all the dreadful cases of children being murdered they always seem to disclose some details. For example most recent Shaniya . So....I am trying to figure out what would be the reason. We do not know if she was sexually assaulted, whether she was found fully clothed, partial etc.

A few hypothetical scenarios:

1. Someone comes forward and confesses to killing her. Crime solved? No - remember Mark Karr and Jonbenet. False confessions happen frequently. Since he did not know the details of the killing or made up details that weren't reality, he was eliminated as suspect and the search for the killer continues.

2. Perp that actually killed Somer confesses and gives specific details about the cause/method of death, injuries to victim, sexual acts perfomed etc. Perp later withdraws and states that the confession was false due to pressure by LE during interview. Perp claims he read about the details of the crime on the WS website. The WS posts revealing the details are subpoenaed. The validity of the confession is now in question.

3. Perp that actually killed Somer confesses and gives specific details about the cause/method of death, injuries, sexual acts performed etc. These details were withheld by LE (no indication/proof of dissemination outside LE). The perp then withdraws the confession. The withdrawal of the confession is now suspect and the original confession not as important/relevant since only the real killer could know the specific details of the crime.

Noway

12-08-2009, 04:03 PM

Better look quick because it violates the TOS ... no links to MS FB etc.

human

12-08-2009, 04:11 PM

ccane-how did you find that? Is that Mr. tight Jeans or who is it in relationship to all of this?

New1

12-08-2009, 04:12 PM

Its weird for you to ask that when we just got off the phone and we discussed that very thing. My heart breaks for him so badly. He cant discuss what happened to somer without breaking down. He didnt get a lock of hair.
:(

My heart breaks for this man. He was Somer's father and he seems to have been treated like a total stranger. Not that my heart doesn't break for the rest of the family, but it's like he is completely left out of his kids lives. Then a poster comes on here and basically accuses him of being a child molester. Wonder who that was. Someone related to DT, DT herself, or maybe CP? The poster gave the impression he/she was a close family member. Can't remember the name of the poster.

ccane

12-08-2009, 04:22 PM

Last name same as DT sis on MS, DT and DT friend in JAX both have him also on MS also
So I dont know if that is DT sis Ex or brother in law

How do I find? google

Noway

12-08-2009, 04:23 PM

Human, maybe ex- of Diena's sister. See obit for her name.

ccane

12-08-2009, 04:28 PM

Human, maybe ex- of Diena's sister. See obit for her name.

He's to tall to be the guy in the pic with DT with what looked like the scratch

Noway

12-08-2009, 04:30 PM

Says he has two girls ... does Diena have two nieces from her sister DF? Anyone know?

Noway

12-08-2009, 04:31 PM

He's to tall to be the guy in the pic with DT with what looked like the scratch

Isn't that guy a cousin? Was that what iwannano said?

ccane

12-08-2009, 04:36 PM

Isn't that guy a cousin? Was that what iwannano said?

iwannano has no reason to be truthful

sorrell skye

12-08-2009, 04:38 PM

He says "he's back" & for the first time in a year he's able to smile. Wondering why he hasn't been able to smile in the past year - was he serving in military in the Middle East?

Also noticed the song playing on his space is by "Red Jumpsuit Apparatus".

Noway

12-08-2009, 04:40 PM

Divorced recently is what I thought.

He is in a relationship and has children. I wondered whether he was the ex- of DT's sister DF. Strange that he'd be Friend though (MySpace).

Brother of ex- ... still kinda odd that they'd keep him on MY as Friend, isn't it?

WAIT
Do we know that DF is divorced? I know her husband isn't listed in the obit but don't know for sure she is divorced.

fbeyes

12-08-2009, 04:43 PM

My heart breaks for this man. He was Somer's father and he seems to have been treated like a total stranger. Not that my heart doesn't break for the rest of the family, but it's like he is completely left out of his kids lives. Then a poster comes on here and basically accuses him of being a child molester. Wonder who that was. Someone related to DT, DT herself, or maybe CP? The poster gave the impression he/she was a close family member. Can't remember the name of the poster.

If it's one thing I have learned in my life is to NEVER believe one side of a story and we never know what goes on behind closed doors of two people - especially when it comes to broken relationships or marriages. It amazes me that people seem to take sides without knowing the facts. One side (either side) of the story is not enough for anybody to form an opinion. In fact, people that have heard only ONE side of the story are probably farther from the truth than those that don't know anything. Of course, my heart breaks for any parent that loses a child no matter how good we think they are as parents. That said, I despise people that do not financially support, abuse or neglect their children, so to read such accusations on a chat room, without proof. and without being able to defend oneself against such attacks I find very offensive. Both sides have been accused of these things on some level and I find it despicable that people would post such nonsense here, take sides or form an opinion based on what is said in a chat room such as this.

Noway

12-08-2009, 04:46 PM

iwannano has no reason to be truthful

I'm not sure she has any reason to lie either. But that could be my rose colored glasses getting in the way.

Noway

12-08-2009, 04:50 PM

fbeyes, Why in the world would you despise people who do not abuse or neglect their children?

???

snipped
That said, I despise people that do not financially support, abuse or neglect their children, so to read such accusations on a chat room, without proof. and without being able to defend oneself against such attacks I find very offensive.

NEVERMIND

There is my DUH moment for the afternoon. You mean do not financial support, do abuse or do neglect ...

I just read it wrong.

ccane

12-08-2009, 04:53 PM

Divorced recently is what I thought.

He is in a relationship and has children. I wondered whether he was the ex- of DT's sister DF. Strange that he'd be Friend though (MySpace).

Brother of ex- ... still kinda odd that they'd keep him on MY as Friend, isn't it?

WAIT
Do we know that DF is divorced? I know her husband isn't listed in the obit but don't know for sure she is divorced.

I dont know but I do know this guy has a girl friend

Noway

12-08-2009, 05:02 PM

No, just anal.

LMAO

I have to run but will read through the 69 page top secret document that I tried to post ...

I think the links in the Facts are working and I think the links in my signature are working.

hopetohelp

12-08-2009, 05:04 PM

According to a reliable source IMO, hundreds of polygraph tests have been administered, in somers case, some voluntarily, some not.

I, personally, dont trust the results of polygraphs. My ex worked for a company that was experiencing a problem with employee theft. He was subjected to a polygraph as were all the other employees. I know for a fact that he didnt lie, nor did he steal, yet he failed both polygraphs. They caught the person who did it with cameras. This person passed his polygraph.

I think that investigators should take the actual results of polys with a grain of salt, because I have seen many of them turn out incorrect on both sides of the equation (showing guilt when the party wasn't guilty, and not showing guilt when the part was). And of course, that's why they can't be used in court.

That said though, I think they are a great investigative tool. You have to wonder if you ask someone to take a poly, and they say no. It's just something else to think about when it comes to that person. And sometimes, LE will give a poly and then tell a suspect that he/she has failed regardless of whether or not that's true, and sometimes exerting that additional pressure is key to getting a guilty person to confess. I've literally watched it happen with a guy who had just passed a test.

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 05:06 PM

Noway, sheesh I still can not get the link, duh...me.

Noway

12-08-2009, 05:11 PM

try

www
write
into
action
.
com
/
child%20
abduction%20
response%20
team%20
.
pdf

quote this, then take out the hard returns and copy what's left and paste into your address bar

I saved it to my hard drive and will try posting link at the site where my people list is

SUCCESS (http://lostnmissing.hqforums.com/vp12671.html#12671)
Maybe it is something not allowed at WS and that's why I had all those problems.

Noway

12-08-2009, 05:15 PM

Hint

Click on success!

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 05:22 PM

Hint

Click on success!

:woohoo:and Yahoo it works....Thx

what about this?

12-08-2009, 05:32 PM

I'm sorry for busting in -- a friend just called from Jax and said that an 18-year-old had been arrested for attempted rape of a child under the age of 12. He has short dark hair, initials are BH (not sure if I'm allowed to do that?) and he was arrested at a home in St. Johns County, which is right next to Clay County. It says that he does not live at the home where he was arrested. It's on News4Jax -- don't know how to post links.

If I'm not allowed to do this (post this info), I'm so sorry and will delete --

hopetohelp

12-08-2009, 05:35 PM

What if a person is in an unviewable state? I certainly wouldn't want the last time I saw deceased loved one to leave a horrible memory.

Yeah, I think this is something that is individual to the person. In this case, the police were really encouraging family NOT to look, requesting it actually, so...

I know a lot of people who wouldn't want to see and remember there loved one in some altered state. Personally, I'm one of those people who has control issues and I might have to see and to know. But, I know sometimes we react to terribly traumatic things differently than we might anticipate. So it's hard to say.

I don't think a parent should feel that they HAVE to look in order to some day be able to move on. I do think that attending the funeral is important though. I would imagine that it may take both of these parents a long time to deal with this loss, and there is nothing wrong with that.

human

12-08-2009, 05:36 PM

from the FDLE protocol-
"Crime Scene personnel should photograph or videotape the immediate neighborhood surrounding the abduction in order to make a permanent record which could be used for identifying possible witnesses and/or investigative leads. Attention should also be given to any suspicious people who interject themselves into the investigation or inquire into the status of the investigations. Their names should be recorded for future reference."

Hm? Do you think our names are on there?

pinamia

12-08-2009, 05:44 PM

I'm sorry for busting in -- a friend just called from Jax and said that an 18-year-old had been arrested for attempted rape of a child under the age of 12. He has short dark hair, initials are BH (not sure if I'm allowed to do that?) and he was arrested at a home in St. Johns County, which is right next to Clay County. It says that he does not live at the home where he was arrested. It's on News4Jax -- don't know how to post links.

If I'm not allowed to do this (post this info), I'm so sorry and will delete --

Hope Infinity sees his photo. This may be it. It's actually BC and not a minor.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21899956/detail.html

what about this?

12-08-2009, 05:49 PM

Hope Infinity sees his photo. This may be it.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21899956/detail.html

That's exactly what I was thinking -- the description Infinity gave does match the picture.

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 05:52 PM

1/2 hr drive OP-St Johns

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 05:53 PM

So....I wonder where he lives?

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 05:54 PM

O/T

SUCESS! Personally I like it when your anal. wait... that didnt sound right! Ok, I like your bulldog qualities.. ummm this isnt getting better. LOL, Thanks for never giving up?

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 05:55 PM

1/2 hr drive OP-St JohnsDepending on where it could be much less than that.

pinamia

12-08-2009, 05:58 PM

Depending on where it could be much less than that.

There are some with his last name that live in Orange Park. Remember I had a dream with someone named campbell. the first 2 letters are right.

http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?qf=&qmi=&qn=Calloway&qc=orange+park&qs=FL&trackit=74

http://www.zabasearch.com/query1_zaba.php?sname=CALLOWAY&state=FL&ref=&se=&doby=doby&city=orange%20park&name_style=1&tm=&tmr=1

Chili Fries

12-08-2009, 05:58 PM

So....I wonder where he lives?
There's a Myspace that fits his name and has his age as 18. Says he lives in Hastings, which is 50 miles driving south of OP.

what about this?

12-08-2009, 05:58 PM

I think the story says that he was at a home, and someone became suspicious and went looking, saw what was going on and got the girl out --

Hopefully, they will be getting his DNA -

hopetohelp

12-08-2009, 06:10 PM

There's a Myspace that fits his name and has his age as 18. Says he lives in Hastings, which is 50 miles driving south of OP.

One of the news articles said he was from Hastings. I think that's about fifty minutes from OP? Or maybe it was fifty miles from OP. Darn, I already closed the googlemaps page. I think its too far, unless he already has some tie to the OP neighborhood.

Nevermind, you already put the mileage. Duh! :X

hopetohelp

12-08-2009, 06:19 PM

By the way, I can't believe a family member walked in on him and he had undressed their daughter and he made it out of there intact.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 06:20 PM

I think the story says that he was at a home, and someone became suspicious and went looking, saw what was going on and got the girl out --

Hopefully, they will be getting his DNA -

I look at this spineless little bas**** and know in my heart that he is just going to get worse. I see nothing but pain in his wake. Thank god someone was paying attention this time. My problem is that I know the odds are that one day someone wont be.

what about this?

12-08-2009, 06:22 PM

I just found this, from December - I hope this link works

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=149227

human

12-08-2009, 06:25 PM

I just found this, from December - I hope this link works

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=149227

Just another Romeo at work.

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 06:25 PM

Well, if the MS is his, it states that he is engaged! wow...

paris_paris

12-08-2009, 06:27 PM

Interested to see what Infinity has to say about the picture at that link.

Before this news came out, you were all talking about somebody on MS. I missed the clues to it, and would appreciate a little help.

I'm particularly interested in the "Red Jumpsuit" aspect of it.

tia

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 06:29 PM

Interested to see what Infinity has to say about the picture at that link.

Before this news came out, you were all talking about somebody on MS. I missed the clues to it, and would appreciate a little help.

I'm particularly interested in the "Red Jumpsuit" aspect of it.

tia

Me too, I couldnt find what I was suppose to be looking for.

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 06:29 PM

Interested to see what Infinity has to say about the picture at that link.

Before this news came out, you were all talking about somebody on MS. I missed the clues to it, and would appreciate a little help.

I'm particularly interested in the "Red Jumpsuit" aspect of it.

tia

Me too, I missed who, think last name is same as DT...but no clue , perhaps someone will help us.

paris_paris

12-08-2009, 06:35 PM

I caught enough of the clues that initials would set me right up. :)

But... I can't see DT's MS friends.

fbeyes

12-08-2009, 06:38 PM

O/T

SUCESS! Personally I like it when your anal. wait... that didnt sound right! Ok, I like your bulldog qualities.. ummm this isnt getting better. LOL, Thanks for never giving up?

Had nothing to do with being anal.

what about this?

12-08-2009, 06:47 PM

St. Johns County is where St. Augustine is, and is also very close to Putnam County where Haleigh lived. It's almost like a triangle -- Clay, St. Johns, and Putnam.

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 06:49 PM

St. Johns County is where St. Augustine is, and is also very close to Putnam County where Haleigh lived. It's almost like a triangle -- Clay, St. Johns, and Putnam.

I noticed on his MS (if him) one of his blurbs was asking people to come out and search for Haleigh. Works in automotive industry.

what about this?

12-08-2009, 06:54 PM

I'm just thinking, and may be very wrong and please forgive me, but weren't some people trying to figure out the significance of a triangle a bunch of threads back?

I can only get on here sporadically, and try read all posts but sometimes can't, and I thought I read about a triangle, but I never saw the post that said it so I didn't know exactly what was going on --

Was it Infinity?

Chili Fries

12-08-2009, 06:59 PM

I noticed on his MS (if him) one of his blurbs was asking people to come out and search for Haleigh. Works in automotive industry.

Yeah I noticed that his sister has some Haleigh is missing flyers in her photos. She wrote on his MS that she's happy he's done with that stupid stuff and another person wrote that it's nice to see he is out. Makes me think he's been in trouble before.

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 07:13 PM

I came home from work today only to find out that an RSO has moved directly across the street from me!!!!!!

pghbrandi

12-08-2009, 07:17 PM

That's AWFUL!!! Do you have little ones?

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 07:17 PM

I'm just thinking, and may be very wrong and please forgive me, but weren't some people trying to figure out the significance of a triangle a bunch of threads back?

I can only get on here sporadically, and try read all posts but sometimes can't, and I thought I read about a triangle, but I never saw the post that said it so I didn't know exactly what was going on --

Was it Infinity?that was "my Triangle".....I had a dream about that triangle....I was the little stick man in my avatar, but I was sitting inside this triangle, I was waving an another poster, trying to get her attention to tell her that "Haleigh" is right here at "Smallville" or "Smallview".....this all happend before Somer was missing...while I was seraching for Somer, I found the triangle on that sign!! weird I know....but that is the story of the triangle...not sure what it actually means...

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 07:20 PM

That's AWFUL!!! Do you have little ones?my youngest is 11....but neighbors on the side of him have 3 little ones, all under 5.....their daddy is LE...this is how I found out.....

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 07:21 PM

the owner of the property that rented to him did not know this....now he knows and is gonna evict him....hope that goes fast.....

pghbrandi

12-08-2009, 07:23 PM

Hopefully it goes very fast! Until then, stay safe.

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 07:25 PM

he messed with his 8 yr old sister when he was 21....SICKO!!!

what about this?

12-08-2009, 07:27 PM

that was "my Triangle".....I had a dream about that triangle....I was the little stick man in my avatar, but I was sitting inside this triangle, I was waving an another poster, trying to get her attention to tell her that "Haleigh" is right here at "Smallville" or "Smallview".....this all happend before Somer was missing...while I was seraching for Somer, I found the triangle on that sign!! weird I know....but that is the story of the triangle...not sure what it actually means...

Well, on his MS page, he lists "Smallville" first under his television interests --

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 07:29 PM

Cam, that sux, I dont know how else to say it. Im sorry. Ever since this happened, I feel like they are on every corner anyway, but to know one is right across from you, right next door to small children. So unnerving. I hope he is gone soon for your peace of mind.

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 07:33 PM

Well, on his MS page, he lists "Smallville" first under his television interests --now that is interesting....

ccane

12-08-2009, 07:35 PM

I noticed on his MS (if him) one of his blurbs was asking people to come out and search for Haleigh. Works in automotive industry.

not that it is related ..but when they had all the news crews out there showing people passing out flyers and searching at night there was one guy standing on a corner passing out flyers and they said he was from near were haleigh cummings home town and he came all the way to help out. I think it was the second night (tuesday)

cathdawg

12-08-2009, 07:38 PM

must go and cook dinner for the pack. bbl

what about this?

12-08-2009, 07:39 PM

Well, on his MS page, he lists "Smallville" first under his television interests --

If you look at a map of that part of Florida, take the point of the intersection of Park and Kingsley, then draw a straight line down Hwy 17, you get to Haleigh. St. Johns County is on the right - if you connect all the dots, it is a triangle --

I have to tell you, when I just read the "Smallville" part of your post, I got chills!

If this guy was in a room with a little girl under 12 years old and had taken her clothes off - I'm almost getting sick thinking about it. I'm sorry, this DOES make him a violent offender, IMO. Absolutely -

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 07:42 PM

Well, on his MS page, he lists "Smallville" first under his television interests --another interesting thing about the triangle sign....I found it on McIntosh St, in OP.....then I found out that McIntosh was mentioned in the astro thread....it is all so weird

Ms Suzanne

12-08-2009, 07:44 PM

not that it is related ..but when they had all the news crews out there showing people passing out flyers and searching at night there was one guy standing on a corner passing out flyers and they said he was from near were haleigh cummings home town and he came all the way to help out. I think it was the second night (tuesday)
That's interesting.Do you or anyone know who he was?

Cheewawa007

12-08-2009, 07:45 PM

from the FDLE protocol-
"Crime Scene personnel should photograph or videotape the immediate neighborhood surrounding the abduction in order to make a permanent record which could be used for identifying possible witnesses and/or investigative leads. Attention should also be given to any suspicious people who interject themselves into the investigation or inquire into the status of the investigations. Their names should be recorded for future reference."

Hm? Do you think our names are on there?

BBM: LMAO - you better believe our names are one there. Tricia has probably had to hand over our IP addresses so they can track who & where we are.

pinamia

12-08-2009, 07:57 PM

fwiw.....DT has raked in over a million so far......just thought I'd share.....

News on the grape vine is that DT is now living with SP. Her boyfriend PC moved out on November 26

Very interesting if true.

http://es-la.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=56641053286&topic=13801&start=0&hash=00541ba9f66996dea765f67e5a4f007c

passionflower

12-08-2009, 08:02 PM

that was "my Triangle".....I had a dream about that triangle....I was the little stick man in my avatar, but I was sitting inside this triangle, I was waving an another poster, trying to get her attention to tell her that "Haleigh" is right here at "Smallville" or "Smallview".....this all happend before Somer was missing...while I was seraching for Somer, I found the triangle on that sign!! weird I know....but that is the story of the triangle...not sure what it actually means...

I so remember your dream very well.
Respectfully, I took your post back over to our forensic astros.
This could be something big.

Noway

12-08-2009, 08:05 PM

pinamia, I don't think we can even link to that FB page but I'm not sure. I moved that link (about posting links to MySpace and Facebook, etc.) out of my signature and I am not able to access my bookmarked pages.

ccane

12-08-2009, 08:07 PM

[quote=pinamia;4539074]News on the grape vine is that DT is now living with SP. Her boyfriend PC moved out on November 26

Very interesting if true.

but new member iwannano said that is untrue

Noway

12-08-2009, 08:07 PM

Was it also iwannano who denied that C. Perry had moved out? I just remember someone telling us we didn't know anything.

ccane

12-08-2009, 08:10 PM

That's interesting.Do you or anyone know who he was?

No I dont and I never could find that new video either .. I did look and look before for it when I was looking for the superintendent that said they saw somer running that day

Noway

12-08-2009, 08:41 PM

That is a chunk of change but I still believe that given the choice, Diena would prefer to have Somer back. JMO

ccane

12-08-2009, 08:58 PM

I'm sorry but I'm extremely skeptical of that. I just don't see how it's possible. Over a hundred thousand I would believe.

it was over was 100k a few weeks after.. I remember reading that so I am not surpised by the amount

ccane

12-08-2009, 09:05 PM

how about this pick of our same guy

whats that on his cheek?

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=26336759&event=871048&CategoryID=9088

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 09:06 PM

lets not forget the bank acct....

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 09:08 PM

how about this pick of our same guy

whats that on his cheek?

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=26336759&event=871048&CategoryID=9088WOW it gives his name!!!!!

ccane

12-08-2009, 09:15 PM

WOW it gives his name!!!!!

no that is not his name but who took the photo

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 09:18 PM

WOW it gives his name!!!!!

Where?

what about this?

12-08-2009, 09:22 PM

WOW it gives his name!!!!!

the JP name - Isn't that the name of the photographer?

I still cannot get over the fact that this guy went looking for Haleigh Cummings -- and he did this LAST NIGHT! He took that little girl into a room WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE - very brazen -- maybe thought he had gotten away with so much . . .

OMG - the MS page said he was "engaged" -- this could be the fiance?

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 09:23 PM

I never get credit for the times I keep my mouth shut. Im going to the garage.

Noway

12-08-2009, 09:27 PM

LOL, the "thanks" was for never getting credit for the times you keep your mouth shut (which made me LAUGH) ... not for going to the garage!

I need more than a Thanks button.

ccane

12-08-2009, 09:33 PM

the JP name - Isn't that the name of the photographer?

I still cannot get over the fact that this guy went looking for Haleigh Cummings -- and he did this LAST NIGHT! He took that little girl into a room WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE - very brazen -- maybe thought he had gotten away with so much . . .

OMG - the MS page said he was "engaged" -- this could be the fiance?

wrong guy .. this is not the one you are talking about from earlier today
this is the guy who we talked about days ago who had a scratch on this neck

Chili Fries

12-08-2009, 09:33 PM

it was over was 100k a few weeks after.. I remember reading that so I am not surpised by the amount
I'm still very skeptical because the momentum of fundraising efforts really drops off as the media coverage dies down. I know someone who raised well over $600,000 but it took him 7 months of traveling around the country and doing town hall type fundraising events to keep his issue in the spotlight.

hoppyfrog

12-08-2009, 09:34 PM

pinamia, I don't think we can even link to that FB page but I'm not sure. I moved that link (about posting links to MySpace and Facebook, etc.) out of my signature and I am not able to access my bookmarked pages.

It's ok to provide links to social networking sites as long as they are for adults, not minors.

However, WS does not allow cut and pastes from social networking sites.

Thanks,

Hoppy
mod

Chili Fries

12-08-2009, 09:38 PM

I just can't get anywhere with the scratchy guy. If he's a cousin, I can't find anybody with the last name of Bowling or Spires that fits and if his mom is an aunt of DT's his last name could be anything. He wears a wedding ring so if he's DT's sister's husband...was she in Homosassa when Somer was killed and is she still even married?

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 09:38 PM

no that is not his name but who took the photodang...LOL...I have been off sleuthing the photographer....LOL

Noway

12-08-2009, 09:48 PM

It's ok to provide links to social networking sites as long as they are for adults, not minors.

However, WS does not allow cut and pastes from social networking sites.

Thanks,

Hoppy
mod

I thought it changed after this but I've no idea why I think that or where to find it if it did.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park thread #18

In this link, Tricia says she will get back to the member who asked about it but I don't know what that was.

New Rules on Sex Offenders and Rumors. - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

what about this?

12-08-2009, 09:51 PM

wrong guy .. this is not the one you are talking about from earlier today
this is the guy who we talked about days ago who had a scratch on this neck

Oh, okay - scratch guy. But looking at the photo, scratch guy and this guy look an awful lot alike, but scratch guy looks a little thinner - but - it has been almost two months. The hair is the same . . .

Could this guy be scratch guy?

ccane

12-08-2009, 09:51 PM

I'm still very skeptical because the momentum of fundraising efforts really drops off as the media coverage dies down. I know someone who raised well over $600,000 but it took him 7 months of traveling around the country and doing town hall type fundraising events to keep his issue in the spotlight.

personally I don't care how much money.
but I would like to know why this guy who we didn't see in any photos until wed shows up with bruised cheek and a scratch on his neck

JennaLee

12-08-2009, 09:52 PM

I came home from work today only to find out that an RSO has moved directly across the street from me!!!!!!

I'm not sure if this will be of any comfort or not, but when I was a kid, my brother, sister and I lived across the street from a convicted child molestor. We were all under 10 at the time. My parents made it absolutely clear that he was a dangerous man and we were to stay far away from him and his house. I don't really know how they did it, but they definitely got the message across without terrifying us so much that we lived in fear.

We simply stayed far away from him and never had any problems. In fact, there were no reports of any misconduct in that neighborhood as long as he resided there. He very much kept to himself. After we moved my mother confessed that she slept with her eyes open for the three years we resided in that area.

ccane

12-08-2009, 09:55 PM

Oh, okay - scratch guy. But looking at the photo, scratch guy and this guy look an awful lot alike, but scratch guy looks a little thinner - but - it has been almost two months. The hair is the same . . .

Could this guy be scratch guy?

hes wearing the same shirt as the other photo.. same day

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=26336759&event=871048&CategoryID=9088

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/Interesting%20People/

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 09:59 PM

I'm not sure if this will be of any comfort or not, but when I was a kid, my brother, sister and I lived across the street from a convicted child molestor. We were all under 10 at the time. My parents made it absolutely clear that he was a dangerous man and we were to stay far away from him and his house. I don't really know how they did it, but they definitely got the message across without terrifying us so much that we lived in fear.

We simply stayed far away from him and never had any problems. In fact, there were no reports of any misconduct in that neighborhood as long as he resided there. He very much kept to himself. After we moved my mother confessed that she slept with her eyes open for the three years we resided in that area.trust me, my children KNOW!!

what about this?

12-08-2009, 09:59 PM

Another thing - if you lived in Hastings, FL -- leaving Orange Park, you would have to go through Green Cove Springs (where the dump is) to get back home.

JennaLee

12-08-2009, 10:05 PM

trust me, my children KNOW!!

Same with our old neighborhood. The parents did a great job of cautioning the children. ALL the kids knew to avoid him. I'm pleased to hear the landlord is kicking him to the curb! The sooner that can go through, the better.

Noway

12-08-2009, 10:07 PM

Sorry for misleading anyone on the FB and MS ... but I could swear I read (hallucinated) that we couldn't post link to anybody's MS or FB.

And I mean somewhere else other than the post that Imamaze copied of mine. LMAO

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL - Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park, Thread # 28

...

what about this?

12-08-2009, 10:17 PM

hes wearing the same shirt as the other photo.. same day

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=26336759&event=871048&CategoryID=9088

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/Interesting%20People/

He's looking down in these pictures, but when I look at his mug shot, where he's looking right into the camera - the nose is the same, and the ears -- just paint a scruffy beard on him.

Noway

12-08-2009, 10:23 PM

He's looking down in these pictures, but when I look at his mug shot, where he's looking right into the camera - the nose is the same, and the ears -- just paint a scruffy beard on him.

You think Scratch Guy is the younger of the two men in these pictures?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=149227

If that's what picture you mean, my vote is no way.

And I don't think he is "jock like" enough to fit Infinity's description but maybe my idea of "jock like" varies from others. JMO

pingpong

12-08-2009, 10:23 PM

how about this pick of our same guy

whats that on his cheek?

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=26336759&event=871048&CategoryID=9088

OMG:waitasec:
I can't see well enough, but that guy from NC with the same last name as the uncle has a mark on his face something like that.
I couldn't see if it was a tat or a beauty mark. If it's a tat, I think it means that the person has killed before.
I looked to see if they were related, but can't find anything one way or the other.

paris_paris

12-08-2009, 10:25 PM

I don't see any resemblance at all!

Why does this perp in the news have no scratches or bruises on him? He was caught in the act. I would at least think that somebody would kick him in the face.

what about this?

12-08-2009, 10:30 PM

You think Scratch Guy is the younger of the two men in these pictures?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=149227

If that's what picture you mean, my vote is no way.

And I don't think he is "jock like" enough to fit Infinity's description but maybe my idea of "jock like" varies from others. JMO

LOL - not the hottie with the hair hanging over -- the other one.

I have been trying to look at the scar in the mug shot in the middle of the forehead and see if I can see it in the other pics -

what about this?

12-08-2009, 10:31 PM

I don't see any resemblance at all!

Why does this perp in the news have no scratches or bruises on him? He was caught in the act. I would at least think that somebody would kick him in the face.

Because the perp in the news was arrested last night, and the picture is from last night -- all scratches and bruises would be gone.

Noway

12-08-2009, 10:35 PM

Vote for yourself. Hope I have the right guy(s).

http://tinyurl.com/yb5mor8

ccane, I know that your guy is Scratch Guy but I think "what about this" is saying that Scratch Guy and the guy who was arrested for sex crimes are the same person. IS that what you are saying, WAT?

I don't think that they are.

paris_paris

12-08-2009, 10:36 PM

Because the perp in the news was arrested last night, and the picture is from last night -- all scratches and bruises would be gone.

What I meant was... yesterday he was caught in the act attempting to rape an under 12 year old. If I caught any guy with any young girl like that... related or not... I think I'd have to kick him at least once.

Edit: n/m... if you read all the comments below the articles, this boy might actually have been set up.

ccane

12-08-2009, 10:39 PM

Vote for yourself. Hope I have the right guy(s).

http://tinyurl.com/yb5mor8

ccane, I know that your guy is Scratch Guy but I think she is saying that Scratch Guy and the guy who was arrested for sex crimes are the same person. I don't think that is true.

yes correct .. has nothing to do with the guy arrested today. People dont follow everyday like we do and it gets all mixed up

paris_paris

12-08-2009, 10:39 PM

Vote for yourself. Hope I have the right guy(s).

http://tinyurl.com/yb5mor8

ccane, I know that your guy is Scratch Guy but I think "what about this" is saying that Scratch Guy and the guy who was arrested for sex crimes are the same person. IS that what you are saying, WAT?

I don't think that they are.

negative

Who is ccane talking about? lo

.

eyes4crime

12-08-2009, 10:39 PM

News on the grape vine is that DT is now living with SP. Her boyfriend PC moved out on November 26

Very interesting if true.

http://es-la.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=56641053286&topic=13801&start=0&hash=00541ba9f66996dea765f67e5a4f007c

pinamia - Are we really allowed to bring over tabloid gossip comments from Nancy Grace's Facebook? There's NO substance to that comment at all - why would you even bother to bring it over?

Noway - is this kind of carp allowed here? TIA

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 10:41 PM

I don't think they are the same guy....the one arrested last night is 18.....too young..MO

eyes4crime

12-08-2009, 10:44 PM

deleted copied trash rumor...

Noway

12-08-2009, 10:47 PM

yes correct .. has nothing to do with the guy arrested today. People dont follow everyday like we do and it gets all mixed up

LMAO ... I follow every day and still get mixed up!

ccane

12-08-2009, 10:51 PM

OMG we are talking two completly different things here

i am going to start over with this

the guy I am talking about with at vigil .. nothing more..

one pic he has a scratch on his neck and a second pic with bruse on his check .. and thats it

I was trying to find out who his guy is.. nothing to do with any other story

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=26336759&event=871048&CategoryID=9088

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/Interesting%20People/[/QUOTE]

Noway

12-08-2009, 10:52 PM

pinamia - Are we really allowed to bring over tabloid gossip comments from Nancy Grace's Facebook? There's NO substance to that comment at all - why would you even bother to bring it over?

Noway - is this kind of carp allowed here? TIA

BBM

From what Hoppy posted, links to Facebooks are okay. Even carpy ones like that Nancy Grace.

I really thought we weren't supposed to post any social networking links and have led many a WSer astray ...

Noway

12-08-2009, 10:56 PM

ccane, I understand who you were talking about.

But I thought that What About This? was saying that your Scratch Guy and the 18 yo arrested looked alike and were the same guy. That your guy was looking down but that they had the same nose (which in my opinion they do not).

That is why I posted the side by side photo link.

JMO but I think Scratch Guy is about 10 years older than the arrestee. Their hairlines are different. Their noses are different. Etc.

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 10:57 PM

OMG we are talking two completly different things here

i am going to start over with this

the guy I am talking about with at vigil .. nothing more..

one pic he has a scratch on his neck and a second pic with bruse on his check .. and thats it

I was trying to find out who his guy is.. nothing to do with any other story

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=26336759&event=871048&CategoryID=9088

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/Interesting%20People/[/QUOTE]

Well, we know he's not a photographer!! LOL, and that guy is squeaky clean! LOL....isn't it odd that we have just about everyone else's name, but not this guy??? I find that odd......

eyes4crime

12-08-2009, 10:59 PM

BBM

From what Hoppy posted, links to Facebooks are okay. Even carpy ones like that Nancy Grace.

I really thought we weren't supposed to post any social networking links and have led many a WSer astray ...

Wow - I was certain we weren't allowed to post rumors, especially those from a facebook that is filled with them. Think I'm going to e-mail a mod and ask. Thread after thread we have been asked to delete. I'm confused.

Thanks noway for all the amazing information you make available to us. Neatly organized and useful to check points of view, times, videos, sex offenders.
the info. you put together is and will be so important.

eyes4crime

12-08-2009, 11:01 PM

CAM - you can delete post #225 now, I deleted my questions that used your post. TIA

Noway

12-08-2009, 11:01 PM

If anyone has bookmarked my "& MS FB Twitter" link that used to be in my signature, that would be helpful right now. LMAO ... how many times have I posted that in the first post of a thread (do not post links to social networking sites)!

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 11:07 PM

maybe this has been asked and answered before, but while looking at some early videos, I think the in home interview that was done with DT, she states that little ST was the one that lagged behind after getting out of school....when did this change to Somer being behind leaving school?

what about this?

12-08-2009, 11:09 PM

Vote for yourself. Hope I have the right guy(s).

http://tinyurl.com/yb5mor8

ccane, I know that your guy is Scratch Guy but I think "what about this" is saying that Scratch Guy and the guy who was arrested for sex crimes are the same person. IS that what you are saying, WAT?

I don't think that they are.

Yes, that's what I was saying. Sorry.

txsvicki

12-08-2009, 11:09 PM

I don't think there's any way that the 18 year old accused SO is scratch guy. He's too young, nose is different, eyebrows, pudgy cheeks, and looks to be part Hispanic, maybe. As I looked again at scratch guy though, I'm now thinking there's also a bruise on his nose.

pingpong

12-08-2009, 11:13 PM

OMG we are talking two completly different things here

i am going to start over with this

the guy I am talking about with at vigil .. nothing more..

one pic he has a scratch on his neck and a second pic with bruse on his check .. and thats it

I was trying to find out who his guy is.. nothing to do with any other story

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=26336759&event=871048&CategoryID=9088

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/Interesting%20People/[/QUOTE]

I'm very sorry ccane:banghead:

Noway

12-08-2009, 11:16 PM

maybe this has been asked and answered before, but while looking at some early videos, I think the in home interview that was done with DT, she states that little ST was the one that lagged behind after getting out of school....when did this change to Somer being behind leaving school?

The first time I saw that Somer caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano was in a video of Dan M. (CCSO Sgt.) talking. Hope link works. If it does, I'll add it to the Facts entry where I mentioned this.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/

As mentioned in Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL - Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park, Thread # 26

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 11:17 PM

where is it that DT's sister lives again? TIA

eyes4crime

12-08-2009, 11:19 PM

If anyone has bookmarked my "& MS FB Twitter" link that used to be in my signature, that would be helpful right now. LMAO ... how many times have I posted that in the first post of a thread (do not post links to social networking sites)!

I think it's important to the integrity of the Web Sleuth site to maintain somewhat accurate information - look at all the work you do to help make this happen. If rumors from other sites can be posted on the threads, then I apologize, but it seems contradictory to the image most of us want to portray. mhoo

Noway

12-08-2009, 11:25 PM

where is it that DT's sister lives again? TIA

DF:
According to her MySpace (http://www.myspace.com/neeseebugg), Orange Park. But Homosassa according to http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/citrus-county-relative-pleads-for-safe-return-of-missing-orange-park-girl/1045829.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL - Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park, Thread # 26

DB:
Some where in TX (Killeen) is what I remember being posted. No source for that one.

camcneishg

12-08-2009, 11:26 PM

The first time I saw that Somer caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano was in a video of Dan M. (CCSO Sgt.) talking. Hope link works. If it does, I'll add it to the Facts entry where I mentioned this.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/

As mentioned in Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL - Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park, Thread # 26 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4520175&postcount=352)

yes the link works, thanks....why then does DT state in her interview (I will find the link in a min for you) that she knows that ST lagged behind, something like he always lags behind.....and that Somer was walking with AT, her big sis....

Noway

12-08-2009, 11:27 PM

eyes, I'm just laughing at myself telling people they could not post links to social networking sites and them very nicely deleting them ... and it was all a hallucination.

We can post the links. We can't copy/paste the carp from them. Although we can give a summary of why we are posting the link in the first place.

Chili Fries

12-08-2009, 11:27 PM

iwannano was telling the truth. Scratchy guy is in fact cousin Chris from Orlando:

http://www.myspace.com/wbracing

Noway

12-08-2009, 11:30 PM

Cam, maybe the kids were mixed up? I imagine this was stressful for them, trying to remember details. And what they told Diena wasn't quite right?

I didn't know Somer had started walking with M. until I read the article with the uncle talking (CG are his initials). That I put into the Facts too.

Noway

12-08-2009, 11:37 PM

Please do not quote in its entirety if you are bringing a correction or addition to my attention.

Instead, copy and paste the parts you want to discuss (or Quote and remove all but text you want to reference). This post is huge and growing.

List of FACTS in Somer's case: Version IX

Credit for compiling goes to many people including but not limited to SharetheLight, Cajun Girl, CCane, Dee10, Doggies, Isabella, MammaD.

I'm trying to remember to add names here as people give information. If you know that I've updated this because of something you've provided, let me know, and I'll add your name. I still don't have a good system for updating this, even after 8 versions.

These are facts as reported by media and/or from the MPR. Tried to put links to source where available.

SOMER
· Somer Thompson was 7 years old when she disappeared on October 19, 2009.
· Somer was wearing a cranberry jump suit (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33410779/ns/today-today_people/) (sweat suit (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/AMBERAlert.jpg)) with a matching top to the bottom and pink satin stripes down the sides of arms and legs, and a black shirt underneath (http://tinyurl.com/yjklsn8).
· Somer was wearing blue and gray socks and rainbow tennis shoes. (Diena Thompson Addresses the Media (http://jacksonville.com/video?bcpid=45533482001&bclid=45314954001&bctid=45725057001))
· Somer and her siblings got ride to school in the morning and walked in the afternoon with 50-70 kids See Diena Thompson Addresses The Media (http://jacksonville.com/video?bcpid=45533482001&bclid=45314954001&bctid=45725057001). :star1:
· Somer's birthday is April 5, 2002.
· Somer was not in the habit of wandering off, according to her mom (http://tinyurl.com/yjklsn8) in video (on left, scroll down in video list) Diena Thompson Addresses The Media (http://jacksonville.com/video?bcpid=45533482001&bclid=45314954001&bctid=45725057001).
· Somer routinely wandered around and nobody knew where she was, according to a babysitte (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...girl_somer_ren)r.
· Somer wore a red ribbon in her ponytail on October 19.
· AB (neighbor) drove Somer to school on October 19 and said it was a normal morning and Somer was her usual self (http://www.news4jax.com/news/21363638/detail.html).
· Somer went to school (GPE) and left school at regular time (2:32 p.m.).
· Somer initially started walking with her friend M. “Minutes before she was walking with this little girl. I mean, yea it's definitely sunk in...It gives me goose bumps...thinking it could have been fifty-fifty, I mean, just like that,” said GC (http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Family-has-special-connection-to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx).
· Somer caught up with her sister AT and brother ST (twin) in the 1100 block of Gano. Source (http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/index.html)
· AT brought up the argument Somer had with MC and Somer ran ahead to walk alone.
· An AMBER Alert was issued on Tuesday morning. It does not mention the book bag or lunchbox, but mentions her possibly wearing white hat and scarf. JPG of AMBER Alert (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/AMBERAlert.jpg)
· Somer lived with her mom Diena Thompson, her twin brother ST, her older sister AT and her older brother AC. See Diena Thompson Addresses The Media (http://jacksonville.com/video?bcpid=45533482001&bclid=45314954001&bctid=45725057001). :star1:
· Somer's body was found at Chesser Island Landfill in Folkston, GA (http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpop...dOQmnB05w.cspx). She was tentatively identified by her clothing and a birthmark.
· Somer's lunchbox (http://tinyurl.com/ybt9tzj) and book bag (http://tinyurl.com/y9ed32a) (see sketches (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/video_photos.cfm?id=69151)as released by LE and shown on AMW) have not been found. Details first reported on AMW (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=69151)November 7. (Previous reports had not mentioned description of lunchbox; backpack/book bag was described several ways, now believed to be in error, including but not limited to “black book bag (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf)”; “pink black and white backpack with skulls, hearts, and crossbones (http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/10/clay-county-authorities-search.html)”; “purple HM backpack (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-body-found-sheriff-matches-birthmark-clothing/Story?id=8887834&page=2)”)

DIENA THOMPSON
· Diena and Samuel Thompson are estranged and in the process of divorcing.
· Diena has a live-in boyfriend (CPC, who goes by P).
· Diena said she had lunch at her home on October 19 with SAP, a family friend.
· Diena asked SAP to wait until the kids got home from school (http://tinyurl.com/y8wflf8). (from narrative MPR, but what was he to do after that?)
· Dena texts SAP around 4 p.m., asking how the kids were; SAP replied that Somer had not come home with the other kids.
· Diena leaves work early to search for Somer.
· Diena felt something was wrong this time, and this is why she responded quickly to news of Somer not making it home that day.
· Diena calls her boyfriend, CPC aka P, at about 4:20 p.m., tells him Somer didn’t come home, and asks him to leave work to help search for her.
· Diena stops at OPAA to pick up oldest son AC.
· Diena flags down D/S A. Coan (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im...ice.report.pdf) at the corner of Floyd Circle West and Gano, and reports Somer missing.
:star1:· Diena says (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-mother-diena-searches-killer/story?id=9029804) that ST (twin) lagged behind to talk to a friend. (watch video that page too)."I know that ST had lagged behind talking to a friend," Diena Thompson told "GMA." "And AT and Somer were together and that -- I'm not sure what happened. Somer got teased a lot. ... She ran ahead, and AT just figured she'd catch up with her. And when she got to the second crossing guard Somer wasn't there.

SAMUEL THOMPSON
· Samuel lives in North Carolina and has not seen Somer in 2 years.
· Samuel came to FL on the Sunday after Somer's disappearance.
· Samuel says soot was found on Somer’s body in NG interview). (Later, he recants that statement through relative on WS because the source of this information, his sister LH, is thought to be unreliable.)

SEAN A. P. (SAP)
· SAP is a close family friend of family.
· SAP is said to have had lunch with Diena at her house on October 19 (in the MPR, he does not state this himself but Diena does).
· SAP is asked to wait at house until kids come home from school. (from MPR narrative; not sure what he was to do after they came home)..
· SAP had not been asked to do this before. This was his first time.
· SAP asks where Somer is when AT and ST arrived around 3:10 p.m.
· SAP sent AT to look for Somer. When she returned about 15 minutes later without her, SAP told her to look again real good before he called Diena.
· SAP gets text from Diena around 4 p.m. asking how the kids were doing; he texts back that Somer did not come home with the other kids and AT is out looking for her.Diena says she will leave work and come look for Somer.
· SAP changed details on his indigo healing

GANO AVENUE HOUSE
· This house caught fire months ago and is being restored.
· Work crews have been at that house.
· VD&B (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=147122%22%20%5Ct%20%22_blank) is the contractor working on the house.
· Kyle, who works with the contractor, was there on October 19, and said that Somer came in the yard, told him that he/they were doing a good job on the house, and went back the way she came. (Thanks, MammaD!)
· ·Kyle is the last person known to see Somer alive.
· There are propane tanks surrounded by a fence about a block the house (toward school).
· J., a minor, was riding his bike home when he saw Somer running around near the tanks and that she he thought she was excited but had a frown on her face.
· OPAA is a park and sporting fields across the street from the house.
· LE searched the house extensively on Thursday and Friday.
· The Gano House was proclaimed a crime scene (http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/crime/story.aspx?storyid=116107&catid=82), as was the search area.

LAW ENFORCEMENT
· LE searched the Gano Avenue house extensively and the men's room (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21389447/detail.html) at OPAA briefly and came out with a bag.
· An autopsy was performed, and LE knows the cause of death, but that have not released that information (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21389447/detail.html).
· Sheriff reports only one person cleared in the investigation into Somer’s death and that is him.
· Investigators made the request (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21435492/detail.html) / recommendation (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-26/story/large_crowd_expected_for_somer_thompsons_funeral) that Somer's casket be closed.

OTHER PEOPLE
· AB drove Somer to school on October 19.
· AB appeared on TV (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-body-found-sheriff-matches-birthmark-clothing/story?id=8887834)with Sheriff Beseler (http://www.livedash.com/transcript/good_morning_america/714/KGO/Thursday_October_22_2009/99710/). Don't want video to appear in this post: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33427923#33427923"]msnbc.com.

· A female neighbor who asked that her name not be reported, upon hearing of Somer’s disappearance, tells LE to check the vacant house on Gano Avenue and its dumpster. After Somer is found in the landfill, she said she wishes she would have checked it herself.

· A (different?) female neighbor, when questioned about the trash pick-up day, made a comment that the trash had already been collected that day so to take that however you want to. A WSer posted that it was the woman who drove Somer to school; that would have been AB. I wasn't sure which video it is at the link provided in the post.

· Houses in the vicinity of the Gano house were searched (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-22/story/search_for_clues_continues_at_scene_near_where_som er_thompson) on Tuesday, October 20. The search literally hit home for schools Superintendent Ben Wortham, who lives about 100 yards from the Gano Drive spot where Somer was last seen. About 2 a.m. Tuesday, his house and many others in the vicinity were “searched from top to bottom,” Wortham said.

GARBAGE
· Bruce Owens, an officer suggests to the sheriff that all trash trucks should be followed and searched so they can isolate the trash coming out of this area, the trash trucks are then followed. (Later reported that Joe Jett gets credit for this.)
· Somer was found dead on October 21 in the Chesser Island Landfill in Fokston, Georgia.
· LE followed the trucks to the Chesser Island Landfill.
· There is at least one video of an interview with Diena that is blacked out-significant portion of interview is missing at the point where DT is recalling something from the day. (Could this just be because it was raw video and they edited out camera man movement?)

RSOs
· There are 161 RSOs (http://www.wctv.tv/APNews/headlines/65806732.html) that live within 5 miles of Somer’s home.
· CWG’s name and contact info appears on the initial police report (in error (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-23/story/somers_slaying_investigaton_narrowing_down_origin_ of_trash) as a case of mistaken identity) detailing her disappearance, along with the names of family, neighbors, and others.
· The owner of VD&B has a brother who is an RSO. His name is GCV (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=5693).
· Since Somer disappeared many RSO’s have been arrested for failing to update their addresses.

UNRELATED BUT YET, RELATED
· What was thought to be an attempted abduction 10 days before Somer's disappearance turned out not to be an attempted abduction and was not related to Somer's disappearance according to LE. Even after LE said there was no connection, reports on blue Nissans (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-12/story/in_somer_thompson_case_rumors_become_a_big_problem ) poured in to the CCSO.

· A police report in the Clay County Daily indicated that 4 burglary suspects were arrested at the Thompson home. LE later said that the address was in error and gave this explanation: An officer who was at the Thompson home was called to an unrelated burglary call and made the arrest of 4 individuals (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-12/story/in_somer_thompson_case_rumors_become_a_big_problem )but when he filed his report, he forgot to change the address. If you check the Clay County Daily (http://p2c.claysheriff.com/dailybulletin.aspx) for 11/21, you will find the correct information now.

· CWG's name on the MPR was a result of mistaken identity (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-23/story/somers_slaying_investigaton_narrowing_down_origin_ of_trash) according to LE.

Noway

12-08-2009, 11:41 PM

Added video source to the entry about Somer catching up with siblings in 1100 block of Gano.

Will update my sig and then am heading out. Will be back tomorrow ... to confuse more of you!

eyes4crime

12-08-2009, 11:43 PM

eyes, I'm just laughing at myself telling people they could not post links to social networking sites and them very nicely deleting them ... and it was all a hallucination.

We can post the links. We can't copy/paste the carp from them. Although we can give a summary of why we are posting the link in the first place.

Not just the Somer threads Noway - but so many others. When rumors were brought over from other sites, they eventually had to be deleted. Especially those from the Chimp site (remember the time-line I did for Lindsey that included mom K's statesments?). That's okay - I sent a messge to a mod and asked for some clarification on rumors without a credible link. I know Tricia dealt with sex offender rumors, but left rumors regarding the victim and family to a case by case review. Still not sure what that means. all my thoughts and opinions

Noway

12-08-2009, 11:52 PM

For what it's worth, I have seen posts in various threads saying we cannot post to social networking sites.

I remain confused.

I really thought I was doing the right thing telling people they could not post MS FB and Twitter links. Tomorrow I can get to my links and hope I saved that one.

txsvicki

12-08-2009, 11:57 PM

iwannano was telling the truth. Scratchy guy is in fact cousin Chris from Orlando:

http://www.myspace.com/wbracing

Does it say something about it on MS? I went and looked but my computer is too slow to browse through the whole thing.

sadnpod

12-08-2009, 11:59 PM

iwannano was telling the truth. Scratchy guy is in fact cousin Chris from Orlando:

http://www.myspace.com/wbracing

ccane where are you? This is def scratch guy!

camcneishg

12-09-2009, 12:01 AM

why are we taking it as fact what the uncle of M says in an article? LE got their info from the kids I am thinking.....Mom must have gotten her info from the kids also...I cannot find the link that I am looking for, but DT is in a purple shirt I think, with hair pulled up...the one where she is talking about the missing piece of broken glass...maybe I heard wrong...do you perhaps have that link handy?? I also read an article the other day that had soooo many things wrong in it...just sayin....

ccane

12-09-2009, 12:05 AM

[quote=Chili Fries;4539716]iwannano was telling the truth. Scratchy guy is in fact cousin Chris from Orlando:

thanks you are fabulous

wow nice cars he's got too .. darn I would even date him lol

camcneishg

12-09-2009, 12:07 AM

on that my space, funny how the comments stop on Oct. 22, yet his last log in was Nov 26