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pinamia
12-16-2009, 12:00 AM
So could be relative but no proof he is her son?

There are 35 people with that last name of the woman who drove Somer and siblings to school in Orange Park area (http://dexknows.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?extra_listing=mixed&form_mode=opt_a&post_back=0&firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=&name=braddy&city_zip=orange+park%2C+fl&metro_area=1&localtime=survey) according to www.qwestdex.com (http://www.qwestdex.com). There are 77 in the Orange Park area for those with the same last name as the uncle (http://dexknows.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?extra_listing=mixed&form_mode=&post_back=1&firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=&name=cagle&city_zip=orange+park&metro_area=1&localtime=survey) of Somer's friend M. And SM (or SMcI ?) ... while I was able to find address for him under his name, couldn't find any address for MB or JC in Orange Park area.


Because of you I went looking for AB husband and guess what he's got a DWI in 2001. I wonder where he was before 2001.

He's JFB and lived next door to Somer.

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 12:02 AM
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z96/camcneish/SDC10108.jpg

Noway
12-16-2009, 12:03 AM
One more thing I would like to like back at on here.
The clothes closet.. what are the hours of operation? who works there? and can someone help me with a map

Since it was getting close to halloween and I think there was a pumpkin on the steps at DT house already and Somer wanting to be a go go dancer .. could she have went to the clothes place to look for a outfit to wear after school?

http://www.opumc.net/outreach.htm

See post above for hours. LOL

New1
12-16-2009, 12:05 AM
I do think that if she had been supervised while walking home....this would have never happened to her....

This made me wonder if she ever left her house AFTER she got home from school and roamed the neighborhood. With no adult there to be in charge, this could have very well happened. If so, she was not only in danger while walking home alone, but after she got home as well.

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 12:06 AM
I don't think we know that for sure.

There was a list and it was used WHEN she wandered off (according to sitter) but we don't know why it was created. Because I think Diena never has mentioned the list and it's use, has she?

Maybe that is splitting hairs, but if my son started wandering off and not coming home when he was expected, then my list would become a list of friends to call ...Noway, just to be fair here.....I do think that far more people have said that Somer did wander, and come home late often, compared to DT saying she NEVER did this...MO

ccane
12-16-2009, 12:09 AM
My earlier point exactly. One would think that if LE found an adult waiting at the house, this would look good. It would at least appear that DT was trying to have some supervision there. Why would she go to the trouble of saying he had never done that before.

One more thing, then good night.

I went all the way back to the first thread on this case. Straight away - when she was missing and not found - reporters had identified SP as the boyfriend, then a friend who lived at the home. I went all the way to 18 or 19 and CPC had not even been mentioned yet. People were generally discussing two issues: Was it a RSO or what is up with the SP guy being at the house. In one of the earliest threads they are discussing why did he not go pick up the kids or at least go looking himself. As things move along and Somer is found dead, people grieve terribly for DT. Soon posters come on saying she seemed hinky. Remember, this was when she had JUST been found and the pain was raw. Way before all of the other discussions up to now. So I still say: go back to the basics. What does not seem right?

not only reporters said it Sgt. Dan Mahla said it on tuesday press conf

sadnpod
12-16-2009, 12:09 AM
New1, your post made me lol..... no worries..

Cheewawa007
12-16-2009, 12:11 AM
This made me wonder if she ever left her house AFTER she got home from school and roamed the neighborhood. With no adult there to be in charge, this could have very well happened. If so, she was not only in danger while walking home alone, but after she got home as well.

When my son was young, he would come home from school, do his homework, eat a snack & go outside to play. He would go around the neighborhood to see who could play...... I think that's typical for a child, don't you?

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 12:12 AM
night all....blessings.....

Noway
12-16-2009, 12:12 AM
Because of you I went looking for AB husband and guess what he's got a DWI in 2001. I wonder where he was before 2001.

He's JFB and lived next door to Somer.

I think they live two houses away ... house is in AB's name (http://www.qpublic.net/cgi-bin/clay_display.cgi?KEY=05-04-26-020177-197-00).

Found on Clay County Record Search.
http://www.qpublic.net/cgi-bin/clay_display.cgi?KEY=05-04-26-020177-197-00

Noway
12-16-2009, 12:13 AM
When my son was young, he would come home from school, do his homework, eat a snack & go outside to play. He would go around the neighborhood to see who could play...... I think that's typical for a child, don't you?

It is here and with my child. And the kids in the neighborhood.

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 12:14 AM
When my son was young, he would come home from school, do his homework, eat a snack & go outside to play. He would go around the neighborhood to see who could play...... I think that's typical for a child, don't you?this is not typical for my children...my children do not leave my site....their friends are more than welcome to come over to our home to play, even stay the night...but I don't let my children stay the night at other homes, besides gma's...but thats just me.....

sadnpod
12-16-2009, 12:15 AM
good night cam... blessings to you too.. tomorrow...

human
12-16-2009, 12:17 AM
I was thinking of the weird eyes of SO's. At least in their mug shots. GCV does have that look.

I just remembered about a step father I knew a couple of years ago. He had the weirdest eyes. They were beautifully mesmerizing. Well, guess what? I found out this year he sexually abused his own daughters, but I don't know about the step daughter.

My staff and I would talk about those eyes. He was almost Rasputin-like.

Then last year I met a mother with those sparkly eyes. I cannot tell if a person uses drugs. I only guess they are because of circumstantial evidence.

Mom told me that she was a meth user, but she did not tell me that she was currently using. I wonder if those weird eyes are meth eyes or some kind of drug eyes?

Noway
12-16-2009, 12:17 AM
not only reporters said it Sgt. Dan Mahla said it on tuesday press conf


Noway, just to be fair here.....I do think that far more people have said that Somer did wander, and come home late often, compared to DT saying she NEVER did this...MO

I hadn't heard anyone being quoted as saying that other than the babysitter. And I'm covering all bases since I don't know that she was grabbed when she had wandered off. Her sister said she ran off ahead and she didn't come home but everything in between that is fuzzy to me.

The Sheriff said she had a slight tendency but that we shouldn't assume that was what happened here.

I think Diena meant that she didn't run off and stay away for hours and hours, but that was my interpretation.

human
12-16-2009, 12:18 AM
When my son was young, he would come home from school, do his homework, eat a snack & go outside to play. He would go around the neighborhood to see who could play...... I think that's typical for a child, don't you?

How old is your son now? Is that something you would be so carefree about today?

sadnpod
12-16-2009, 12:18 AM
I think they lived two houses away ... house is in AB's name (http://www.qpublic.net/cgi-bin/clay_display.cgi?KEY=05-04-26-020177-197-00).

Found on Clay County Record Search.
http://www.qpublic.net/cgi-bin/clay_display.cgi?KEY=05-04-26-020177-197-00

I know AB still lives there... does he not? Just wondering cause you said lived. and yes its two houses away. Did I say thank you today for all your work??? if not thank you button is not enough!!!!

Chatterbox
12-16-2009, 12:19 AM
Just a question here that may or may not have anything to do with anything. In one of the first reports of Somer's body being found, it says she was in a fight at school the day she went missing.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/24/crime.georgia.landfill.body/index.html

It is a matter of course in schools in my area, and others I know of, that parents are notified when a fight takes place between children at school. In Somer's case, it was apparently serious enough that her sister had heard about it and felt the need to attempt a discussion about it on the way home. So, was anyone notified that Somer was in a fight at school? Who would have been notified, Mom, or SP who was allegedly at the home?

tarabull
12-16-2009, 12:22 AM
Has anyone looked at JC's (last name rhymes with eagle) myspace???

ETA: IMO scarier than Corpus.....you know that place in TX.

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 12:23 AM
I hadn't heard anyone being quoted as saying that other than the babysitter. And I'm covering all bases since I don't know that she was grabbed when she had wandered off. Her sister said she ran off ahead and she didn't come home but everything in between that is fuzzy to me.

The Sheriff said she had a slight tendency but that we shouldn't assume that was what happened here.

I think Diena meant that she didn't run off and stay away for hours and hours, but that was my interpretation.it is too late for me to go looking for quotes, and prob most of them we can't find anymore...remember the one neighbor, saying something like "where's Somer AGAIN?"....I know I have heard it several times....DT says NEVER....if never, then why the list?? night friend....

Noway
12-16-2009, 12:23 AM
I know AB still lives there... does he not? Just wondering cause you said lived. and yes its two houses away. Did I say thank you today for all your work??? if not thank you button is not enough!!!!

My mistake. I'll correct it. I just meant that they didn't live next door ... but those maps can be screwy.

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 12:26 AM
I wasnt referring to you... IIRC I was referring to a post(s) made by eyes as most ws members would know. I appreciate your input from a new perspective and I mean no disrespect.. but I would appreciate it if anyone who reads my posts takes the time to read all the threads and all the posts that the rest of us have. Its not easy keeping up here. We have all put in hours and days and almost 2 months looking at the whole picture, disecting the whole picture, and we all know that we arent certain of much, especially not that it was someone she knew and went willingly with. Are you certain.. like in a fact certain... are do you feel certain? there is a huge difference.


Sadnpod - thank you for your very respectful post. I realize I seem to have popped up out of nowhere. But I have been following this case for a long, long time. I have been reading everyone's posts here and decided that this was the most trustworthy and sincere (and respectful) forum of caring people who TRY to put aside personal biases and pray that the killer be found.

You have shared your connection with the tragedy and I will try to share mine, if anyone wants to take the time at this late hour to bother to read it.

30 years exp. in healthcare field particularly with persons who confused, distressed, manipulative, have various psychiatric disorders, unable to communicate effectively, personality disorders, attention-seeking, innocent, agitated, depressed, have faced terrible losses (a woman who was formerly very beautiful had half her face removed from cancer, husband died and that very weekend her family dumped her because they didn't want to take care of her and you should see her wedding photo you would bawl your eyes out); also working with young children (I still help my son who is a special ed. teacher) and have experience in the legal field. Please, don't ask my age, lol.

I am right brained, global, big picture, out of necessity have to deal with the bottom line every day or I would die a slow death in the quicksand of people's "intentions" vs. actions, their devious ways of getting attention, their entitlement, their grief, their suffering. It's a very fine line to walk and emotionally draining. I am mother of two grown sons ages 31 and 28. The older one was tortured by other kids at school (he is now teaching the children of the people who made fun of him); twice I almost tackled kids who I caught picking on my younger son. I was a single mom and also made 2 bad marriages with "nice" guys in "professional" fields who were "likeable" but were downright mean to my boys. I always hope my boys will forgive those bad choices. I LEFT BECAUSE NOBODY WAS GOING TO TREAT MY BOYS BADLY THEY WERE GOOD AND DID NOT DESERVE IT and most of it was jealousy, pure and simple. I bring this insight to this situation as I am well aware of how jealous boyfriends/husbands act when they want to be #1.

I was an entertainer and did my share of partying (but as a musician I was too busy for the drug scene). Once I had my kids, I decided that anything I did from then on would reflect on them. I realize I am lucky to have had that insight.

I have called DCF at one job on my boss who was mentally abusive to a client who was schizophrenic and had been raped because she innocently trusted another client and the boss accused her of "asking for it". Lost my job, didn't care.

I called DCF at the bowling alley when 2 kids on my sons' team let loose that their little 3 year old brother was riding his bike wearing a diaper on a major street. My call was not confidential. Their alcoholic mother came in the next day, grabbed me by the throat and told me she would ">>>>>>" to which I replied, you are drunk, and you can threaten me all you want, because if you do it again, I will call again, and I drove her home.

I found a 2 year old wandering in and out of parked cars in a park and the little one put up her arms to be picked up and I searched all over for her parents, was just ready to put her in my car and take her to the police when mom showed up...what I said I won't repeat...

I saw DT on the news. Something did not seem right. I started following the case. I read the police report. SP's statement and her statement about him did not seem right. I watched subsequent interviews where she subtly but convincingly passed blame onto others and claimed innocence so much it became the whole point of her appearance, IMO. This really aggravated me. I wanted somebody to ask her some point blank questions about discrepancies, but I guess that's not politically correct unless she goes on a 48 hours hot seat and that won't happen with the lawyer. Nothing has come forward to give me any reason to change my mind. I do not trust CPC, I think he is a bad person who has taken her over like other men have and probably will. I do not understand SP's part in this but feel it is bad.

Short answer to your question: My "certainty" is based on a few facts, that )1) LE made a point early on to say RSO's were ruled out (sending a message to somebody); (2) DT has changed her story about so many things; (3) I've heard a lot of bad things circulated and not all by people who want to bash her but who are concerned about the lifestyle she was leading; (4) the media-crazy behavior, getting up on the stages, the money, the sudden disappearance off the radar, and (5) nobody having any credible theories as to who other than those mentioned here would have the motive or opportunity to do this crime. (6) SP took a long time off work that day and it is not proven that CPC was at work when she called.

I am sorry if this, and other posts are so lengthy. Because I know I must annoy some people and also I am very tired of repeating myself. I'd like to sit back and watch it all unfold if people would quit trying to convince everybody that Somer's life was o-k and that she was well cared for.

Thanks for your patience if you were able to stay awake. Good Night. God Bless all of you.

human
12-16-2009, 12:26 AM
what is the first name of rhymes with eagle?

bkcrt
12-16-2009, 12:26 AM
Don't ever accuse me of twisting. I was just making a statement of parents getting arrested for showing nude baby pictures while perverts who show kids adult porn get a free pass.

I know what you're talking about P.....This happened in Az. A couple's children were taken away temporarily because they were turned in by a photo booth employee of a store. For pics of their naked children in the bath. Everything was eventually dropped and the children returned. Couple now suing store I believe. On the other hand, some people may deem it harmless to have adult porn around a child. I don't understand it either........

ccane
12-16-2009, 12:26 AM
I hadn't heard anyone being quoted as saying that other than the babysitter. And I'm covering all bases since I don't know that she was grabbed when she had wandered off. Her sister said she ran off ahead and she didn't come home but everything in between that is fuzzy to me.

The Sheriff said she had a slight tendency but that we shouldn't assume that was what happened here.

I think Diena meant that she didn't run off and stay away for hours and hours, but that was my interpretation.

I will find you the video of it

houndstooth
12-16-2009, 12:29 AM
No hounds, it came from hearing strangers just chatting about somers death at the bar at olive garden. One man said he was roofing the day before somer was killed and that he knew vinsons brother and how all the speculation has effected his life. (oh waaah) But then he said he heard the family owed a lot of money for drugs, specifically cocaine. and somers death was to repay that debt.

I thought he was full of carp and just running his mouth. But it still made me wonder what logic drove him or anyone to think this. NO TRUTH TO WHAT HE SAID IMO... This is pure nasty rumor from what appeared to be someone who had first hand knowledge of the drug world. I didnt want to repeat it for that reason... so please NO ONE think I am implying anything here. I AM NOT!!!

If I thought so little of the rumor I wouldn't be putting it out here like that!!
See. That's why I was asking about things like the little white lie earlier. I asked because you said it initially in relation to saying you had inside info on the case. I didn't know it it stemmed from that. So I asked. Now you have interjected this, which you point out as a rumor. But, yet again. There it sits on the page. KWIM?

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 12:31 AM
Just a question here that may or may not have anything to do with anything. In one of the first reports of Somer's body being found, it says she was in a fight at school the day she went missing.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/24/crime.georgia.landfill.body/index.html

It is a matter of course in schools in my area, and others I know of, that parents are notified when a fight takes place between children at school. In Somer's case, it was apparently serious enough that her sister had heard about it and felt the need to attempt a discussion about it on the way home. So, was anyone notified that Somer was in a fight at school? Who would have been notified, Mom, or SP who was allegedly at the home?I agree that someone should have been contacted....I would think the mom was prob called at work....I would hope that the school would have her work number on file. If the fight was other than verbal...I would think that there would be some repercussion...such as ISS....we have heard that a back pack was involved with the fight also...if this is true, then it is other than verbal....Would love to know what the school knows!!

New1
12-16-2009, 12:33 AM
When my son was young, he would come home from school, do his homework, eat a snack & go outside to play. He would go around the neighborhood to see who could play...... I think that's typical for a child, don't you?

Maybe. IDK. I can only speak about MY son. He was allowed to go to ONE neighbor boy's house - a kid he played with all the time. He would either go there or the neighbor kid would come to our house.

However; times have changed since then. The neighbor boy's mom didn't work, neither did I, so both of us were home when our kids visited each other. I was so lucky not to have to work and I was not a single parent either (lucky there too), but even as an over-protective mother, I look back now and see things I let my son do back then that I would never do these days.

I use to leave him in the toy section of a store and go on about my shopping. That scares me to death now when I think of doing that, but back then, it was a different world. If I had kids in this day and age, they would be holding my hand every time we were shopping or they would either be in the shopping cart. You just can't take your eyes off them for one second now-a-days.

Noway
12-16-2009, 12:34 AM
what is the first name of rhymes with eagle?

I think it actually rhymes with bagel. LOL but that is how I pronounce it based on the spelling. Maybe the reporter says it on the video?

human
12-16-2009, 12:34 AM
ChickenPants-I work in a field where I come into contact with some of the people that you see. They are not so severe when I meet them.

Over 25 years, I too, have learned not to take much at face value. You learn little things about the way people operate and start adding 2 and 2 together.

I don't necessarily know what the game is all about, but I know a lot when there is a game. But there always a new game, and I don't always catch on.

All I know is when I am saying, Huh?" There is something there. But you have way more experience in "Huh?" than I have. You have learned to trust you instincts because they are made up of a million little things you have learned over the course of your career.

Cheewawa007
12-16-2009, 12:35 AM
How old is your son now? Is that something you would be so carefree about today?

He's 23. We live in the same neighborhood as we did when he was young. So to answer your question, yes - I would let him play with his friends in the neighborhood today if he were young. But like Noway, I had the phone numbers of his friends & knew what friends he would be going to see if they could play.

tarabull
12-16-2009, 12:37 AM
what is the first name of rhymes with eagle?

are you familiar with a MOSH pit? (rhymes with)
do you remember JAY? (starts with)

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 12:37 AM
I wasnt referring to you... IIRC I was referring to a post(s) made by eyes as most ws members would know. I appreciate your input from a new perspective and I mean no disrespect.. but I would appreciate it if anyone who reads my posts takes the time to read all the threads and all the posts that the rest of us have. Its not easy keeping up here. We have all put in hours and days and almost 2 months looking at the whole picture, disecting the whole picture, and we all know that we arent certain of much, especially not that it was someone she knew and went willingly with. Are you certain.. like in a fact certain... are do you feel certain? there is a huge difference.


When I say it was someone she knew and went willingly with, I base that on it happening in broad daylight, with nobody noticing anyone odd, with no noise. She had been running off and may have been in trouble (again I refer to Diena's plea before she was found....come home...you're not in trouble); it seems possible it was an authority figure (male) who was waiting with a stern expression and she was thinking "uh oh....I'm in trouble now..." This would fit in with a crime of rage from someone who didn't like her and used this opportunity to make a move. No, I do not know anything for certain. The certainty is very very strong when I compare this to other possibilities. The only other perp I can think of would be a RSO. I can't see sexual battery fitting into the broad daylight/no noise/time frame scenario. Thanks.

bkcrt
12-16-2009, 12:37 AM
Tara, there is video of AC in the funeral video where it talks about the family arriving about an hour before everyone else.

I'll find it and post it here even if you already found pix/video.

Video @ about 0:48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5jXevmg6bo


Pix from Amanada's PB
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/?action=view&current=fam2.jpg

In video, is AC wearing a medical id tag around his neck? Just wondering. My daughter has diabetes and has one of these. It looks like a medical tag.

Noway
12-16-2009, 12:38 AM
I will say that if I lived in Florida, I wouldn't be letting them out of my sight. But I have the advantage of hindsight.

tarabull
12-16-2009, 12:39 AM
I think it actually rhymes with bagel. LOL but that is how I pronounce it based on the spelling. Maybe the reporter says it on the video?

bagel...eagle...freedom....JUSTICE FOR SOMER!

Noway
12-16-2009, 12:39 AM
I was thinking it rhymed with those exercises you do Kegel. But what is the first name? Too lazy to look at OPAA.


Same first name as this dude http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0524197/

tarabull
12-16-2009, 12:40 AM
In video, is AC wearing a medical id tag around his neck? Just wondering. My daughter has diabetes and has one of these. It looks like a medical tag.

heck! I WAS trying to figure out what THAT was.....

it is large!

i was stumped.

hmmmmm.

going to look again.

Noway
12-16-2009, 12:42 AM
Could those be military ID tags? That AC is wearing?

If not real then necklace made to look like?
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-93957457819680_2080_206634315

bkcrt
12-16-2009, 12:44 AM
Okay...now that I'm caught up I see that I'm responding to posts that were discussed 45 posts ago. Lol.....Jeez. That's what happens when I take a day off from WS.

Noway
12-16-2009, 12:47 AM
Ccane, are you looking for one of first videos of Diena with her saying "Never. Never." in response to question by reporter?


Sheriff and slight history of running off (this was at 7 hours missing)
http://www.news4jax.com/video/21344324/

RO'C neighbor said she never met a stranger; she was very friendly. She was always looking for other kids to play with.
http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/10/more-tips-no-arrest-in-somer-t.html

TJ said her daughter, 11, would often go to the library with Somer at school and the pair would look at books about kittens and puppies. (same link as RO'C)

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 12:49 AM
It is here and with my child. And the kids in the neighborhood.


Don't mean to split hairs....but, it sounds like your children had friends they played with and that is normal, and likely the friends' parents were there and everyone knows everyone else, etc. Plus, it sounds like you are onto your kids' interests, schedules and routines.

Somer did not have friends. It has been said repeatedly that she wandered around looking for people to play with. It's been said she played alone in the house (empty?) a lot (by her grandma). Everything that has been said about this child describes a clumsy and affectionate child craving love, attention, companionship and acceptance by her peers...and some adults? I feel like the little one was a lonely little outcast. How cruel kids can be. How dismissive big people (especially men) can be (remember DT said, "if only I had taken that time when I thought I was busy but wasn't really busy); I've known lots of kids who tried too hard, hugged too tightly, talked too much, acted silly and all sorts of other things which pushed people away even more. She wasn't going to her friends' houses IMO

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 12:52 AM
I hadn't heard anyone being quoted as saying that other than the babysitter. And I'm covering all bases since I don't know that she was grabbed when she had wandered off. Her sister said she ran off ahead and she didn't come home but everything in between that is fuzzy to me.

The Sheriff said she had a slight tendency but that we shouldn't assume that was what happened here.

I think Diena meant that she didn't run off and stay away for hours and hours, but that was my interpretation.

Gee I really have to stop and go to bed. If you scroll through Jax4 and other news sites' ongoing articles (before they sadly stopped), there are various reference by reporters in them that state she was known to run off frequently. I am sorry I can't tell you which ones.

Noway
12-16-2009, 12:55 AM
Good night everyone ... only MommaD gets to post this many times on a page.

ccane
12-16-2009, 12:57 AM
Ccane, are you looking for one of first videos of Diena with her saying "Never. Never." in response to question by reporter?


Sheriff and slight history of running off (this was at 7 hours missing)
http://www.news4jax.com/video/21344324/

RO'C neighbor said she never met a stranger; she was very friendly. She was always looking for other kids to play with.
http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/10/more-tips-no-arrest-in-somer-t.html

TJ said her daughter, 11, would often go to the library with Somer at school and the pair would look at books about kittens and puppies. (same link as RO'C)

No not those.. the detective mahla only did one presser I think on tuesay? I cant find it right now

sadnpod
12-16-2009, 12:58 AM
If I thought so little of the rumor I wouldn't be putting it out here like that!!
See. That's why I was asking about things like the little white lie earlier. I asked because you said it initially in relation to saying you had inside info on the case. I didn't know it it stemmed from that. So I asked. Now you have interjected this, which you point out as a rumor. But, yet again. There it sits on the page. KWIM?

See. Thats why I didnt put it out there until you asked. I am not you. When did I say I had "inside info". I said I have reason to believe, IIRC. Didnt know what stemmed from what? and NO I dont KWYM?

sadnpod
12-16-2009, 01:00 AM
Nite noway

Noway
12-16-2009, 01:00 AM
From what I just read ... Somer did have friends. But she did spend time out of her house wanting to play with others.

KB was her best friend.
Anna B., whose daughter K. is best friends with Somer, said she took Somer to school the day the 7-year-old disappeared. B. said it was a normal morning and Somer was her usual self. http://www.news4jax.com/news/21389523/detail.html

TJ's daughter who went to the library with her ... (link above).

Noway
12-16-2009, 01:01 AM
No not those

LOL, I'm finding the ones I was referring to. I wasn't sure what one you said you'd find ... maybe the "Where's Somer -- AGAIN" one? or Diena saying that Somer never ran off ...

The Mahla one was posted in whatever thread I was summarizing videos.

Sgt. Dan Mahla of the Clay County Sherriff's Office said authorities "suspect foul play" and said it would be "totally out of character" for the second-grader to run away and not come home.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/amber-alert-search-somer-thompson-missing-florida-girl/story?id=8874269

don't know if source will work

sadnpod
12-16-2009, 01:01 AM
Gee I really have to stop and go to bed. If you scroll through Jax4 and other news sites' ongoing articles (before they sadly stopped), there are various reference by reporters in them that state she was known to run off frequently. I am sorry I can't tell you which ones.

Ha ha... Its official... ws addict

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 01:02 AM
Good night everyone ... only MommaD gets to post this many times on a page.


Okay. I will try to remember that. God Bless Everyone and love to you all from the little one.

Noway
12-16-2009, 01:04 AM
http://www.news4jax.com/video/21360276/

This might be the Never Never one.

815 Wednesday Mom Sheriff (http://www.news4jax.com/video/21360276/index.html)

Noway
12-16-2009, 01:05 AM
Okay. I will try to remember that. God Bless Everyone and love to you all from the little one.

LOL ... it was a joke! And it was aimed at me. You can post as many times on a page as you want!

Noway
12-16-2009, 01:09 AM
Sgt. Dan Mahla of the Clay County Sherriff's Office said authorities "suspect foul play" and said it would be "totally out of character" for the second-grader to run away and not come home.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/amber-a...ory?id=8874269 (http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/amber-alert-search-somer-thompson-missing-florida-girl/story?id=8874269)

Uncut: Somer Called Endangered in Tuesday Afternoon Briefing (close to that)

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/index.html

sadnpod
12-16-2009, 01:17 AM
Please forgive me if I have been snarky to anyone today, I am in a p(rhymes with sissy) mood. I value all of you even if we dont agree. I thank you all for caring so much and appreciate the input of you all. chickenpants you can fill as many pages as you want. Noway teases... so do I. Hounds I still dkwym... and I am too tired to figure it out tonite. Goodnite all... stay safe... til tomorrow my friends.

trigger
12-16-2009, 01:34 AM
Maybe LE thought nothing would come of following the garbage trucks and searching them, and didn't want to pull a Geraldo Rivera (lots of cameras and an empty vault)?

OR

They had a tip. And a good one. And they didn't want their suspect (whoever he would turn out to be) to know what they were doing?

I just don't know.

I found this article.

"At that time I realized that this is probably not going to turn out good," the 10-year veteran of the Clay County Sheriff's Office told The Florida Times-Union. But he said he had been expecting to find perhaps a backpack or a piece of clothing, not a body.

***Not a body*** What, Im confused.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33427528/

ccane
12-16-2009, 01:48 AM
It's been fun guys... thanks for everything and keep pluggin away. Follow the bread crumbs..

houndstooth
12-16-2009, 01:52 AM
Please forgive me if I have been snarky to anyone today, I am in a p(rhymes with sissy) mood. I value all of you even if we dont agree. I thank you all for caring so much and appreciate the input of you all. chickenpants you can fill as many pages as you want. Noway teases... so do I. Hounds I still dkwym... and I am too tired to figure it out tonite. Goodnite all... stay safe... til tomorrow my friends.

Okay. You mentioned "white lies" to LE in a post. You said you had info, but could not or would not release it yet ( paraphasing). I asked you to clarify.
You change the subject to asking about AB's son's name. Then you change to the liklihood of drug dealers killing a child as payment in your very next post. I asked was that in relation to AB's son. Trying to follow your train of thought since you didn't respond to my post. Instead you start posting a rumor you heard in an Olive Garden bar, to me. I was asking what happened to your sudden interest in AB's son's name, not about the cocaine killers rumor, which had no rhyme or reason I could follow to what I asked at all.

And you don't know what I mean?? I don't know what you mean. Seriously.

tarabull
12-16-2009, 02:22 AM
Speaking out for Children who have been Silenced. (http://www.news-leader.com/article/20091215/OPINIONS02/912150308/Speak+out+for+children+who+have+been+silenced)

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 07:56 AM
From what I just read ... Somer did have friends. But she did spend time out of her house wanting to play with others.

KB was her best friend.
Anna B., whose daughter K. is best friends with Somer, said she took Somer to school the day the 7-year-old disappeared. B. said it was a normal morning and Somer was her usual self. http://www.news4jax.com/news/21389523/detail.html

TJ's daughter who went to the library with her ... (link above).

Thank you for researching that. I am corrected. I still feel (without trying to be argumentative) that based on descriptions of her, she was always "looking for love" (in all the wrong places)...kind of lonely and very needy. The word is "guiless" (trustingly innocent because she wanted friends). She was "picked on" and even ST (father) said somewhere she had a little temper...so I doubt she had a lot of friends.

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 08:15 AM
:sick:I am reminded of the now-classic movie "Home Alone". This is not funny.

To prove this is not about blatantly blaming DT for being a bad mother, I remember seeing in the early part of this investigation how all of the people in the community were aghast that this could happen in such a "tightly-knit" and safe area. Everyone started walking their children to and from school. Everyone started looking at everyone else. There were crowds at vigils and lots of tears from people who dared go into that dark hole of "it could have been my child".

Then there were the gawkers and the geeks and the curious and the hordes at the fund-raisers and the money pouring in, and songs written (I am reminded here of "Wag the Dog") and all of a sudden EVERYBODY was friends with the family. And where were they when there were no so-called babysitting arrangements? I wonder if with all of the therapy and etc., there are now one or more adults (well DT does not work now) who will REALLY BE THERE for these kids who have suffered terrible trauma. The candles and memorials do well for the people getting comfort from saying "I'm sorry - we're here for you"...then the candles burn out and the flowers wilt or are replaced with plastic flowers - why? It's over...who is going to put fresh flowers out there? I HATE PLASTIC FLOWERS. Save the money you spend on the flowers and candles and go take a look at your children. Are they really safe? There is no such thing as a "safe community" any more. Somewhere, after the fifties...that ethic of "hands off women and children" disappeared. There is no line anymore that a person cannot cross. Anything goes.

Someone here said in an earlier post they felt sorry for the kids who picked on Somer that day. Did their parents know about it and ever have a talk with them about bullying? I wonder how much Somer was picked on in her own family. I just wonder about these things. I don't do superficial like some people don't do windows. Just me.

Now the "issue" of her killer being caught seems to have passed into that nebulous
"not news-worthy" place where unsolved crimes go when the viewers want something new and excited. There will be new murders and new vigils and sobbing parents and Nancy Grace bombshells and media raking in thousands for every minute of air time. Hopefully everything is safe now in the THompson house - the garage door is closed and with all of the ongoing scrutiny and DT puzzled as to why LE has not told them anything, the very best behavior is the thing. But Somer is dead, it's a hard lesson. People better stop talking parent philosophy and wake up. It's not Leave it to Beaver and Father Knows Best any more. Over 50% of kids have no involved fathers.

Thank God that even though nobody here is getting "credit" or making money, you are still "putting Somer's name out there" wanting to get the "it" who did this. Please, if you do 100 threads, don't stop. Thanks.

Ms Suzanne
12-16-2009, 08:17 AM
I have wondered that me own self. All I can ever come up with is that when preliminary investigations started, some things must have set off alarm bells right off the bat. You have to admit, if we found the whole leaving work and going straight to the park (if true), and not going home or calling 911, but leaving it up to the chance meeting with a passing cop, a little odd. They probably thought that odd too. And next thing you know, 1+2 ain't adding up to 3.
We don't know what they know. But, something as simple as a call to her job or CPC job or SP job may have started the ball rolling that something bad had happened. Or checking their phones, or all the little nuances that LE would note. Demeanor, inconsistant statements. Lots of stuff. I don't think LE ever serioulsy were thinking a ped/SO . JMO.
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I don't think LE ever serioulsy were thinking a ped/SO . JMO.[/quote]


I do think LE thought it was a ped/SO.Why would America's most wanted say that it was.The police must have said something to them to have them think that way.

pinamia
12-16-2009, 08:18 AM
Are you saying that supervision isn't enough - are you suggesting that parents are negligent if they don't have an intricate alarm home system? One that goes all through the house, upstairs bedrooms, basements, ALL windows, sheds, yards, etc. ? Plus dogs?

And you have the audacity to suggest that the predator who rapes and murders children is not ENTIRELY RESPONSIBLE for his/her own malicious, destructive, predator crimes?

In defense of the parents you cast your negative chit towards - I DISAGREE with your post and find it HIGHLY offensive. MHO

I disagree with your post. You like to twist what I write. Please stop.

Ms Suzanne
12-16-2009, 08:37 AM
I am convinced she walked willingly into or around the renovated house on Gano with someone she very sadly trusted.Who is Kyle?Did we ever find out?Was she attacked and or killed in the back yard?Was soot in the back yard or was soot on what ever she was put in.Did this Kyle say she talked to him and crew member?or members?Did he say she walked in the gate?around to the back of the house?Did more than one person attack and kill her?You know,I feel he knows alot.I don't think Somer ever left this house.I hope we here some information soon.I pray for little Somer every day.

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 08:44 AM
I agree that someone should have been contacted....I would think the mom was prob called at work....I would hope that the school would have her work number on file. If the fight was other than verbal...I would think that there would be some repercussion...such as ISS....we have heard that a back pack was involved with the fight also...if this is true, then it is other than verbal....Would love to know what the school knows!!

When a child is registered, heaven and earth is moved to get information and you would NOT BELIEVE how many parents don't care to provide it, or provide non-working phone numbers, etc. Only family member is contacted unless there is secondary contact authorized by family. CPC or SP are not technically "family" and would not be contacted unless DT specifically authorized in writing at some time that they had access to information or to the child on the school grounds. Rules are strict about who has access to picking up children, etc. It's all about confidentiality and protection.

As far as ISS, I read somewhere that Somer was kept back for a while - maybe that was wrong info. A lot of parents won't let teachers use ISS because they don't want to come and pick the kid(s) up. As far as fights, they happen every day, kids swatting other kids, tripping, etc. Only if it was an ongoing disruptive problem that generally put the other kid(s) at risk - or, or course, if the other child was hurt - would the teacher necessarily do ISS. Unbelievably, teachers are hardly allowed to give out ANY punishments in today's system and if they do, they have to write it up and send out warnings to parents, etc. before actually going through with it. Then the teachers are called on the carpet for not having "control of the classroom".

Then there is OSS (out of school suspension) where the child is kept out of school for a day or more. Parents REALLY HATE THIS ONE. It means they have to make arrangements for the child to be watched. Most don't - they just let the kid stay home. No big deal.


I dare anyone to spend ONE day in a classroom with 30 kids and come out sane. Try volunteering at a school. It's a real eye-opener.

pinamia
12-16-2009, 08:47 AM
I am convinced she walked willingly into or around the renovated house on Gano with someone she very sadly trusted.Who is Kyle?Did we ever find out?Was she attacked and or killed in the back yard?Was soot in the back yard or was soot on what ever she was put in.Did this Kyle say she talked to him and crew member?or members?Did he say she walked in the gate?around to the back of the house?Did more than one person attack and kill her?You know,I feel he knows alot.I don't think Somer ever left this house.I hope we here some information soon.I pray for little Somer every day.

I just thought of something kind of horrifying. Maybe instead of running ahead, Somer was running from AT and the friend. Maybe she was afraid of them. Perhaps she went into Gano to get away from them and someone was there and killed her. Perhaps Somer had enemies in school who followed her there and killed her. I know when I was kid I was attacked on several occasions by enemies. One tore my 18K earring off. Somer may have been attacked by an older sibling of the girl she had the fight with. Some kids kill so it's definitely a possibility. We have gone through it in the past about the mix martial arts.

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 08:55 AM
Ccane, are you looking for one of first videos of Diena with her saying "Never. Never." in response to question by reporter?


Sheriff and slight history of running off (this was at 7 hours missing)
http://www.news4jax.com/video/21344324/

RO'C neighbor said she never met a stranger; she was very friendly. She was always looking for other kids to play with.
http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/10/more-tips-no-arrest-in-somer-t.html

TJ said her daughter, 11, would often go to the library with Somer at school and the pair would look at books about kittens and puppies. (same link as RO'C)

Running ahead and running off are two different things. When a seven year old child has a history, what quantifies a "slight" history? History is history, it means the little girl ran off (away from others, out of sight, for an hour or more) more than a couple of times. DT said she tried to warn Somer about "stranger danger" but Somer just did what she did...plus, DT said Somer hugged everybody, talked to everybody, always tried to make everybody feel better...a child who was an open book. Apparently everyone who knew her agreed with all of this. Well, that book is closed.

It has been said that there were a lot of people and "police presence" and crossing guards around, and if the people assigned to this place had ever seen this child running off before, more than once or twice, you would hope that in their capacity as monitors they would have notified mom. Or did they? In any case, each and every thing that did or did not happen when she was alive brought her to the end of her life. Somebody dropped a ball somewhere and a bad person got a free shot.

pinamia
12-16-2009, 08:56 AM
When a child is registered, heaven and earth is moved to get information and you would NOT BELIEVE how many parents don't care to provide it, or provide non-working phone numbers, etc. Only family member is contacted unless there is secondary contact authorized by family. CPC or SP are not technically "family" and would not be contacted unless DT specifically authorized in writing at some time that they had access to information or to the child on the school grounds. Rules are strict about who has access to picking up children, etc. It's all about confidentiality and protection.

As far as ISS, I read somewhere that Somer was kept back for a while - maybe that was wrong info. A lot of parents won't let teachers use ISS because they don't want to come and pick the kid(s) up. As far as fights, they happen every day, kids swatting other kids, tripping, etc. Only if it was an ongoing disruptive problem that generally put the other kid(s) at risk - or, or course, if the other child was hurt - would the teacher necessarily do ISS. Unbelievably, teachers are hardly allowed to give out ANY punishments in today's system and if they do, they have to write it up and send out warnings to parents, etc. before actually going through with it. Then the teachers are called on the carpet for not having "control of the classroom".

Then there is OSS (out of school suspension) where the child is kept out of school for a day or more. Parents REALLY HATE THIS ONE. It means they have to make arrangements for the child to be watched. Most don't - they just let the kid stay home. No big deal.


I dare anyone to spend ONE day in a classroom with 30 kids and come out sane. Try volunteering at a school. It's a real eye-opener.

Not so bad. Try staying at home with an autistic toddler for a couple of years. That was far worse. I was trying teach him language without even knowing he was autistic. He didn't get diagnosed until 3 and 3 months so I didn't even know what he had and why it was so very hard to do any basic thing.
When I did cub scouts the other kids were so easy to teach.

All depends on the development of the kids. Teaching normal kids is a breeze compared with my one son.

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 09:02 AM
Running ahead and running off are two different things. When a seven year old child has a history, what quantifies a "slight" history? History is history, it means the little girl ran off (away from others, out of sight, for an hour or more) more than a couple of times. DT said she tried to warn Somer about "stranger danger" but Somer just did what she did...plus, DT said Somer hugged everybody, talked to everybody, always tried to make everybody feel better...a child who was an open book. Apparently everyone who knew her agreed with all of this. Well, that book is closed.

It has been said that there were a lot of people and "police presence" and crossing guards around, and if the people assigned to this place had ever seen this child running off before, more than once or twice, you would hope that in their capacity as monitors they would have notified mom. Or did they? In any case, each and every thing that did or did not happen when she was alive brought her to the end of her life. Somebody dropped a ball somewhere and a bad person got a free shot.

OH GEEZ, I just watched a minute of the early sheriff video and he said "mother began looking for her for about 2-1/2 hours and then contacted the police..." and I had to stop. What is wrong with that statement?

This interview was done, I would guess, after the initial MPR. This makes the information different from the MPR. Why would you look for about two and a half hours and not call 9-1-1? It's unbelievable. Everyone (DT, SP, CPC, the twin, the older sister) was doing police work except the police. Is this ignorant or intentional. Please forgive this forthright question which comes from disbelief and frustration. The only thing I can accept is that possibly the sheriff is babbling away having become an instant TV celeb. and has the two and a half hours wrong? Help!

pinamia
12-16-2009, 09:06 AM
OH GEEZ, I just watched a minute of the early sheriff video and he said "mother began looking for her for about 2-1/2 hours and then contacted the police..." and I had to stop. What is wrong with that statement?

This interview was done, I would guess, after the initial MPR. This makes the information different from the MPR. Why would you look for about two and a half hours and not call 9-1-1? It's unbelievable. Everyone (DT, SP, CPC, the twin, the older sister) was doing police work except the police. Is this ignorant or intentional. Please forgive this forthright question which comes from disbelief and frustration. The only thing I can accept is that possibly the sheriff is babbling away having become an instant TV celeb. and has the two and a half hours wrong? Help!

They sometimes do get things wrong. Look at that police report. There is so much wrong. Look at the rso on that police report. That was "mistake." This case is not being handled right and that's my opinion only.

Ms Suzanne
12-16-2009, 09:08 AM
I just thought of something kind of horrifying. Maybe instead of running ahead, Somer was running from AT and the friend. Maybe she was afraid of them. Perhaps she went into Gano to get away from them and someone was there and killed her. Perhaps Somer had enemies in school who followed her there and killed her. I know when I was kid I was attacked on several occasions by enemies. One tore my 18K earring off. Somer may have been attacked by an older sibling of the girl she had the fight with. Some kids kill so it's definitely a possibility. We have gone through it in the past about the mix martial arts.
I agree.If it's not the crew members it could very well be a family member,friend,someone that was associated with the little girl or little girls she got in a fight with.But when did the crew members leave the renavated house on Gano?This all must have happened in a short period of time?

Donna101
12-16-2009, 09:14 AM
When a child is registered, heaven and earth is moved to get information and you would NOT BELIEVE how many parents don't care to provide it, or provide non-working phone numbers, etc. Only family member is contacted unless there is secondary contact authorized by family. CPC or SP are not technically "family" and would not be contacted unless DT specifically authorized in writing at some time that they had access to information or to the child on the school grounds. Rules are strict about who has access to picking up children, etc. It's all about confidentiality and protection.

As far as ISS, I read somewhere that Somer was kept back for a while - maybe that was wrong info. A lot of parents won't let teachers use ISS because they don't want to come and pick the kid(s) up. As far as fights, they happen every day, kids swatting other kids, tripping, etc. Only if it was an ongoing disruptive problem that generally put the other kid(s) at risk - or, or course, if the other child was hurt - would the teacher necessarily do ISS. Unbelievably, teachers are hardly allowed to give out ANY punishments in today's system and if they do, they have to write it up and send out warnings to parents, etc. before actually going through with it. Then the teachers are called on the carpet for not having "control of the classroom".

Then there is OSS (out of school suspension) where the child is kept out of school for a day or more. Parents REALLY HATE THIS ONE. It means they have to make arrangements for the child to be watched. Most don't - they just let the kid stay home. No big deal.


I dare anyone to spend ONE day in a classroom with 30 kids and come out sane. Try volunteering at a school. It's a real eye-opener.

I agree with you that some parents do not do a good enough job of supervising their children. That being said, I don't think the "Ozzie and Harriet" world of parenting ever existed. Children walk to and from school every day all over the world, they play outside, they are home alone after school until parents come home from work. That is a reality of life. I still think if a child is murdered in the course of a usual day it is the murderer's fault. Sure ideally children should always have an adult with them, but historically has that ever been the case?

Ms Suzanne
12-16-2009, 09:15 AM
OH GEEZ, I just watched a minute of the early sheriff video and he said "mother began looking for her for about 2-1/2 hours and then contacted the police..." and I had to stop. What is wrong with that statement?

This interview was done, I would guess, after the initial MPR. This makes the information different from the MPR. Why would you look for about two and a half hours and not call 9-1-1? It's unbelievable. Everyone (DT, SP, CPC, the twin, the older sister) was doing police work except the police. Is this ignorant or intentional. Please forgive this forthright question which comes from disbelief and frustration. The only thing I can accept is that possibly the sheriff is babbling away having become an instant TV celeb. and has the two and a half hours wrong? Help!
She was looking for Somer.Maybe she thought she would find her somewhere.

pinamia
12-16-2009, 09:17 AM
I agree.If it's not the crew members it could very well be a family member,friend,someone that was associated with the little girl or little girls she got in a fight with.But when did the crew members leave the renavated house on Gano?This all must have happened in a short period of time?

Lots of times crews aren't at the houses for long. They usually work early rather than late. I remember my uncle did construction and he would be home earlier than my mom so around 4. They may have left before this happened. They don't work full days like a 9to5 job. It's usually a 7 to 3 kind of thing. All depends on the company and work job they have though. Some are just mornings or just afternoons. This way they pay people less.

Ms Suzanne
12-16-2009, 09:19 AM
Lots of times crews aren't at the houses for long. They usually work early rather than late. I remember my uncle did construction and he would be home earlier than my mom so around 4. They may have left before this happened. They don't work full days like a 9to5 job. It's usually a 7 to 3 kind of thing. All depends on the company and work job they have though. Some are just mornings or just afternoons. This way they pay people less.
Apparantly Kyle said he/they talked to her.He put himself right there with Somer.I agree,something could have happened after they left.

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 09:33 AM
http://www.news4jax.com/video/21360276/

This might be the Never Never one.

815 Wednesday Mom Sheriff (http://www.news4jax.com/video/21360276/index.html)

I know one thing for certain. No matter what else is unearthed. DT is a consummate actress.

I started watching with a lump in my stomach because she looked so distraught. This soon changed, however. She got her self together quickly. She held herself together without wavering, keeping her eyes on the sheriff the whole time, and each and every time a question was put to her the whole voice and demeanor changed drastically to borderline hysteria. But then again she was able to listen in a detached manner while the sheriff described how Somer might not be able to survive the cold, may have fell into water, etc., and the only time she started choking again was when he said he thought someone may have taken her. She described in great detail every article of clothing Somer wore, her voice never cracked. When the sheriff was looking for Mary Justino, DT, pointed her out for him.

One more thing, in this interview when they asked if an adult was present and they talked about SP, DT said he was a very very good friend; the sheriff said that when the children came home without Somer, this person (SP) went out looking for her. Where did he get that information? It isn't on the MPR. Somebody must have changed their stories.

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 09:40 AM
I agree.If it's not the crew members it could very well be a family member,friend,someone that was associated with the little girl or little girls she got in a fight with.But when did the crew members leave the renavated house on Gano?This all must have happened in a short period of time?


Motivation: What kid(s) would have a reason to take the chance of killing her and do so in broad daylight?

Opportunity: How could they do this without raising suspicion, without noise, etc. How could they get rid of the body? It would take a strong person to get her into a dumpster.

Have any of the kids who knew her acted hinky or had substantial changes since her murder? Does anyone know?

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 09:43 AM
They sometimes do get things wrong. Look at that police report. There is so much wrong. Look at the rso on that police report. That was "mistake." This case is not being handled right and that's my opinion only.


That's a pretty big chunk of time to get wrong. And I still want to know why nobody called 911. People call 911 for EVERYTHING. tHE ONLY POSSIBLE CONCLUSION I CAN COME TO IS THEY DID NOT WANT A POLICE INVOLVEMENT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

pinamia
12-16-2009, 09:43 AM
Motivation: What kid(s) would have a reason to take the chance of killing her and do so in broad daylight?

Opportunity: How could they do this without raising suspicion, without noise, etc. How could they get rid of the body? It would take a strong person to get her into a dumpster.

Have any of the kids who knew her acted hinky or had substantial changes since her murder? Does anyone know?

A teen would be strong enough or even 2 younger kids. This could definitely have been someone who Somer fought with. Kids are vicious sometimes. This makes so much sense because nobody saw anyone. A kid wouldn't stand out where as a man would.

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 09:47 AM
She was looking for Somer.Maybe she thought she would find her somewhere.

Sorry, I don't buy it. She said that when she got to the park she had a feeling in her gut that something was wrong (this time) (which infers there had been other times), and not only did SHE not call 911, but neither did the male friend, the boyfriend or others. She made a point of saying she KNEW something was WRONG...so why look around for hours. Why not call the police?

All of this points to the fact that the child RAN OFF ALL OF THE TIME and nobody thought it worth following up on. BUT mom says this time was different? So which is correct?

pinamia
12-16-2009, 09:48 AM
That's a pretty big chunk of time to get wrong. And I still want to know why nobody called 911. People call 911 for EVERYTHING. tHE ONLY POSSIBLE CONCLUSION I CAN COME TO IS THEY DID NOT WANT A POLICE INVOLVEMENT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

I believe DT flagged down a cop. She never called the police department.

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 09:48 AM
just starting over here....interesting..... the little blue Nissan, started out being an SUV?? I had not heard this before.....
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-10-20/story/give_me_my_baby_back_pleads_mother_of_missing_oran ge_park_girl_somer_ren?page=1

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 09:53 AM
A teen would be strong enough or even 2 younger kids. This could definitely have been someone who Somer fought with. Kids are vicious sometimes. This makes so much sense because nobody saw anyone. A kid wouldn't stand out where as a man would.

I don't mean to be nit-picky. Devise a scenario, Pin> who, what, when, where and how. Out in broad daylight, very quickly, no noise, find a way to get rid of the body. Plus, as a kid, you may be accountable to be somewhere else, plus if there was more than one, somebody might blab. I don't get the feeling that LE ever suspected kids, either. And whether I like what they've done or are doing, it is their area of expertise. As for me, I am getting to where I am posting in all caps so I am going to stop now, lol.

Kids might tease her (did it) or whack her or even beat her up, but I doubt they would kill her when her sister and brother might have doubled back looking for her while they were doing it. Whereas, an adult could have done it quickly and efficiently before the kids had a chance to know what happened.

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 09:59 AM
I believe DT flagged down a cop. She never called the police department.

Correct; it was the sheriff in the video who says she looked for 2-1/2 hours - and while he is saying this, she is looking at him without any change of expression as if to say What? I wasn't out there that long...and then the sheriff says she "contacted" police, he didn't say how she did it. If my kid is gone over 2-1/2 hours (because she had been gone before Diena had texted SP) and had taken off in a "huff" after being "teased" or in a "fight" I am calling 911. I am going to ask posters here. Would you, under these circumstances call 911 or would you go looking and send people looking? Personally, I would have called 9-1-1 and shot straight home, looking left and right and up and down all the way. If for no other reason, to get to the other kids and find out what happened to their sister.

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 10:04 AM
Correct; it was the sheriff in the video who says she looked for 2-1/2 hours and then "contacted" police, he didn't say how she did it. If my kid is gone over 2-1/2 hours (because she had been gone before Diena texted SP) and had taken off in a "huff" after being "teased" or in a "fight" I am calling 911. I am going to ask posters here. Would you, under these circumstances call 911 or would you go looking and send people looking.I would do both....911 first.....I have to agree .... when DT said she had a "GUT FEELING", why did she wait??? Makes no sense to me....better to be safe, than sorry, esp when it comes to your child....MO

sadnpod
12-16-2009, 10:19 AM
Okay. You mentioned "white lies" to LE in a post. You said you had info, but could not or would not release it yet ( paraphasing). I asked you to clarify.
You change the subject to asking about AB's son's name. Then you change to the liklihood of drug dealers killing a child as payment in your very next post. I asked was that in relation to AB's son. Trying to follow your train of thought since you didn't respond to my post. Instead you start posting a rumor you heard in an Olive Garden bar, to me. I was asking what happened to your sudden interest in AB's son's name, not about the cocaine killers rumor, which had no rhyme or reason I could follow to what I asked at all.

And you don't know what I mean?? I don't know what you mean. Seriously.

BBM

I have no desire or need to clarify as I said when I posted.
I answered that AB son had nothing to do with my remark about drug scenario.
Good luck trying to follow my train of thought and honestly, I could care less if you kwim or not. kwim?

sadnpod
12-16-2009, 10:29 AM
mornin cam.. wonder if wlk goes to trial today? Wish I was following trash trucks... and I wish posters would stop attacking posters and I wish this perp was dead whoever it is.. hows your day?

sadnpod
12-16-2009, 10:41 AM
Mornin ms suzanne.. mornin tara... and everyone..today may be the day... wouldnt that be a great christmas?

Ms Suzanne
12-16-2009, 10:44 AM
Sorry, I don't buy it. She said that when she got to the park she had a feeling in her gut that something was wrong (this time) (which infers there had been other times), and not only did SHE not call 911, but neither did the male friend, the boyfriend or others. She made a point of saying she KNEW something was WRONG...so why look around for hours. Why not call the police?

All of this points to the fact that the child RAN OFF ALL OF THE TIME and nobody thought it worth following up on. BUT mom says this time was different? So which is correct?
I do buy it.I feel they were trying to find her and never ever expected something like this happened or ever could happen.I would feel the same way after looking for a little while starting to feel I knew something was wrong.That is a very normal reaction to have.Apparantly other people felt the same way there.That something was very wrong.

tarabull
12-16-2009, 10:49 AM
I agree with you that some parents do not do a good enough job of supervising their children. That being said, I don't think the "Ozzie and Harriet" world of parenting ever existed. Children walk to and from school every day all over the world, they play outside, they are home alone after school until parents come home from work. That is a reality of life. I still think if a child is murdered in the course of a usual day it is the murderer's fault. Sure ideally children should always have an adult with them, but historically has that ever been the case?

That might be some people's reality but it doesn't make it right! It's called opportunity and the world is full of sick people.

(ETA: THIS IS MY OPINION, do i need to put that in here!!!!)

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 10:52 AM
mornin cam.. wonder if wlk goes to trial today? Wish I was following trash trucks... and I wish posters would stop attacking posters and I wish this perp was dead whoever it is.. hows your day?good morning Sad, and all....like my mom always said...."wish in one hand and sh*& in the other, and see which one fills up the fastest" LOL....you guys have a great day....time to flip the burgers!!!

tarabull
12-16-2009, 10:56 AM
I would do both....911 first.....I have to agree .... when DT said she had a "GUT FEELING", why did she wait??? Makes no sense to me....better to be safe, than sorry, esp when it comes to your child....MO

Cam you make a GREAT point!

Would safe include closing the windows of opportunity?????

Would sorry be an apporpriate response?

YEAH we aren't talking about where you park your new car (baby) in the parking lot while you go into the mall......we are talking about A REAL LIFE.

tarabull
12-16-2009, 11:05 AM
I don't mean to be nit-picky. Devise a scenario, Pin> who, what, when, where and how. Out in broad daylight, very quickly, no noise, find a way to get rid of the body. Plus, as a kid, you may be accountable to be somewhere else, plus if there was more than one, somebody might blab. I don't get the feeling that LE ever suspected kids, either. And whether I like what they've done or are doing, it is their area of expertise. As for me, I am getting to where I am posting in all caps so I am going to stop now, lol.

Kids might tease her (did it) or whack her or even beat her up, but I doubt they would kill her when her sister and brother might have doubled back looking for her while they were doing it. Whereas, an adult could have done it quickly and efficiently before the kids had a chance to know what happened.

What if someone looking for her found her....very early on there were only KIDS out looking for her. She had some places she'd go....that much has been confirmed - has it not? What if one of them found her in one of her secluded hiding spots when they went looking???????

You asked, I'm just saying.....there are plenty of scenerio's in my opinion.

(eta: REMEMBER the kids were already aruging, THEY CHASED HER FOR **** SAKES!)

Trino
12-16-2009, 11:08 AM
A teen would be strong enough or even 2 younger kids. This could definitely have been someone who Somer fought with. Kids are vicious sometimes. This makes so much sense because nobody saw anyone. A kid wouldn't stand out where as a man would.

Kids also can't keep quiet. IMO kids would have talked.

tarabull
12-16-2009, 11:18 AM
Kids also can't keep quiet. IMO kids would have talked.

a KID (singular) has nobody else to tell on them......just gotta hold it together.

LLLindsayy
12-16-2009, 11:22 AM
When Somer used to wander off, how long was she generally gone for? Has anyone seen that noted anywhere?

I question because people bring up DT's "knowing something is wrong this time," and I'd like to know if perhaps she got worried because Somer had been gone longer than usual?

It was 4ish when she found out, right? Did Somer usually wander off and show up by 3:30 or something?

LLLindsayy
12-16-2009, 11:26 AM
I've followed the case from the beginning and really don't have an opinion developed on possible perps, but I would like to address the juvenile aspect.

Have any of you read up on Elizabeth Olten's case? Her perp was a 15 year old girl (and Elizabeth was bigger than Somer). I think it is an entirely plausible idea. Alyssa Bustamante (Elizabeth's alleged murderer) simply lured EO into the woods. Could this have been done to Somer? And AB took care of the cover-up of EO also and actually hit it for a while -- cops searched the area and passed right over her body.

I think more is possible than what seems logically possible from our given facts.

That said... do any of ST's friends have older siblings that might stick up for them?

human
12-16-2009, 11:45 AM
When Somer used to wander off, how long was she generally gone for? Has anyone seen that noted anywhere?

I question because people bring up DT's "knowing something is wrong this time," and I'd like to know if perhaps she got worried because Somer had been gone longer than usual?

It was 4ish when she found out, right? Did Somer usually wander off and show up by 3:30 or something?

Up to an hour, so to panic at 4:00 would be premature, for this situation.

LLLindsayy
12-16-2009, 11:51 AM
Up to an hour, so to panic at 4:00 would be premature, for this situation.


OK thank you for clearing that up.

Edit: When was DT quotes as saying that she felt this situation was different? Before she started searching or after? Would 4:00 be right at 1 hr?

tarabull
12-16-2009, 11:54 AM
OK thank you for clearing that up.

Edit: When was DT quotes as saying that she felt this situation was different? Before she started searching or after? Would 4:00 be right at 1 hr?

IIRC school let out at 2:42

pinamia
12-16-2009, 11:58 AM
Correct; it was the sheriff in the video who says she looked for 2-1/2 hours - and while he is saying this, she is looking at him without any change of expression as if to say What? I wasn't out there that long...and then the sheriff says she "contacted" police, he didn't say how she did it. If my kid is gone over 2-1/2 hours (because she had been gone before Diena had texted SP) and had taken off in a "huff" after being "teased" or in a "fight" I am calling 911. I am going to ask posters here. Would you, under these circumstances call 911 or would you go looking and send people looking? Personally, I would have called 9-1-1 and shot straight home, looking left and right and up and down all the way. If for no other reason, to get to the other kids and find out what happened to their sister.

DT didn't know the circumstances because she was looking before she got home to talk to AT.

Honestly, the first time Somer wandered off should have been the last, even if it meant hiring a bodyguard.

LLLindsayy
12-16-2009, 12:09 PM
IIRC school let out at 2:42


So then if Somer generally only wandered off for an hour or so, then maybe 4:00 WOULD be cause for concern if she hadn't returned yet. Maybe the difference was nothing more than her being gone longer than normal. Maybe it was because she was paranoid about leaving the kids alone and when something went wrong her emotions went on overdrive.

Cheewawa007
12-16-2009, 12:46 PM
Greetings one and all; May I make a suggestion? Seems as though the past few days this thread has turned into a debate over the proper way to raise a child. Regardless of our own parenting skills, experiences, beliefs, it is taking us away from the true matter at hand. Regardless of who you support or don't (DT,ST,SP,etc), it shouldn't matter. I hope we are all here for Somer. Whether she wandered off constantly, had friends, hugged strangers, etc could play a role in her demise. However, coulda woulda shoulda isn't getting us anywhere. What do you say we focus on those new pictures that sad was kind enough to take for us of places off the beaten path... how about we start with the possibilities of directions she could have gone? Whatcha say? Can I get a post count?

Cheewawa007
12-16-2009, 12:57 PM
Sounds like a plan to me chee......

trigger
12-16-2009, 12:59 PM
Greetings one and all; May I make a suggestion? Seems as though the past few days this thread has turned into a debate over the proper way to raise a child. Regardless of our own parenting skills, experiences, beliefs, it is taking us away from the true matter at hand. Regardless of who you support or don't (DT,ST,SP,etc), it shouldn't matter. I hope we are all here for Somer. Whether she wandered off constantly, had friends, hugged strangers, etc could play a role in her demise. However, coulda woulda shoulda isn't getting us anywhere. What do you say we focus on those new pictures that sad was kind enough to take for us of places off the beaten path... how about we start with the possibilities of directions she could have gone? Whatcha say? Can I get a post count?

ITA....

:woohoo:

Noway
12-16-2009, 01:00 PM
My shortcut idea was through the park to Willow to Arbor Circle, through friend's yard on Arbor and out to DeBarry. If taken at that point (which was my theory) then taken into house for sale or foreclosure by real estate type person. I think it was Thread 16 that MommaD and I ran through this scenario.

It is just as possible that she was taken anywhere along this route (or another version of the shortcut) but I think Sad said that Willow was "obvious" ...

Cheewawa007
12-16-2009, 01:04 PM
Remember the picture of the ditch that sad took? Wasn't that a possible shortcut to her home?

human
12-16-2009, 01:06 PM
What about the fact that her scent disappeared at Gano and Debarry IIRC?

LE did say that exhaust fumes could destroy it, but there would not be fumes on a shortcut.

Just picking people's brains here. It seems posters have such good answers to my questions. Luminol needs the dark to work. (My question about why dig at night at Gano) How could she be hiddenin a dumpster and not be seen (put stuff on top-duh.)

So how could her scent disappear? I'm going with a car picking her up.

Noway
12-16-2009, 01:06 PM
All the "facts" released in this case seem to have a contradictory "fact" to go along with it.

School lets out at 2:32 according to the GPE website (http://www.clay.k12.fl.us/gpe/parent_guide.htm).

Sgt. Dan Mahla is quoted (and reporter asks him to verify) that Somer was released by the school at 2:50 p.m.

But she was last seen by her siblings at 2:45 p.m.

Sgt. Mahla also states that she caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano, which someone here pointed out would be AFTER the Gano House. (So how could Kyle be the last one to see her if she caught up with them after the Gano House? Are they discounting what any kid reported and only accepting adults' word?)

I can't tell what came first in this case ... HELP!

Noway
12-16-2009, 01:09 PM
Remember the picture of the ditch that sad took? Wasn't that a possible shortcut to her home?

I edited my post above.

I had her going through the park (didn't know about the ditch that ran up side then) but from what Sad told me, cutting up that way ... Willow is the (an?) obvious exit.

I wondered whether Somer's siblings had taken a shortcut too (or instead). Scenario: She runs ahead and AT and ST plan to get home ahead of her and take shortcut?

THEORY ONLY

trigger
12-16-2009, 01:14 PM
What about the fact that her scent disappeared at Gano and Debarry IIRC?

LE did say that exhaust fumes could destroy it, but there would not be fumes on a shortcut.

Just picking people's brains here. It seems posters have such good answers to my questions. Luminol needs the dark to work. (My question about why dig at night at Gano) How could she be hiddenin a dumpster and not be seen (put stuff on top-duh.)

So how could her scent disappear? I'm going with a car picking her up.

Was Debarry at the second crossing guard or third? Do you know?

Cheewawa007
12-16-2009, 01:15 PM
What about the fact that her scent disappeared at Gano and Debarry IIRC?

LE did say that exhaust fumes could destroy it, but there would not be fumes on a shortcut.

Just picking people's brains here. It seems posters have such good answers to my questions. Luminol needs the dark to work. (My question about why dig at night at Gano) How could she be hiddenin a dumpster and not be seen (put stuff on top-duh.)

So how could her scent disappear? I'm going with a car picking her up.

BBM: Her scent disappeared at that location (we'll assume). Someone on a scooter or bicycle could have given her a ride possibly... maybe a car wasn't involved.

Theory Only

Cheewawa007
12-16-2009, 01:47 PM
Was Debarry at the second crossing guard or third? Do you know?

I THINK it was the third.... however I'm not sure.

Noway
12-16-2009, 01:49 PM
Crossing guards
Miller and Gano (Miller is school street)
Grove Park and Gano
DeBarry and Gano

First two don't know if they saw Somer; third one (DeBarry) did not.

Noway
12-16-2009, 01:52 PM
Possible reasons for dog losing scent at DeBarry and Gano

1. Somer got in car
2. Somer turned around and walked back (I don't know if dog would distinguish scent direction)
3. Somer got ride on bike or scooter
4. Scent lost due to traffic (foot and vehicular)
5. Dog having bad day


Anything else? Maybe we can take these one by one and discredit them ... and if anyone has any other possible reasons, we'll add them and (lol) discredit them. Maybe what we're left with will be it.

pinamia
12-16-2009, 02:13 PM
Possible reasons for dog losing scent at DeBarry and Gano

1. Somer got in car
2. Somer turned around and walked back (I don't know if dog would distinguish scent direction)
3. Somer got ride on bike or scooter
4. Scent lost due to traffic (foot and vehicular)
5. Dog having bad day


Anything else? Maybe we can take these one by one and discredit them ... and if anyone has any other possible reasons, we'll add them and (lol) discredit them. Maybe what we're left with will be it.

1.If Somer got on a car at Gano and Debarry wouldn't someone have seen her. Is there a crossing guard there?

Same for 3.

I feel it's most likely 4 and 5 since this was her normal path so an old scent could be there.

Ms Suzanne
12-16-2009, 02:47 PM
I pray they find out what happened to little Somer soon and her killer is caught.It is very sad and hard for me to come here and not hear of an arrest.I do pray they find out something very soon.I keep Somer and Haleigh always in my prayers.

pinamia
12-16-2009, 02:58 PM
I pray they find out what happened to little Somer soon and her killer is caught.It is very sad and hard for me to come here and not hear of an arrest.I do pray they find out something very soon.I keep Somer and Haleigh always in my prayers.

Noway wrote yesterday that someone who killed in July just got charged yesterday. So that's 5 months. They move s l o w in Florida. I wouldn't be expecting anything until after the New Year.

This will be a bombshell that's what I'm thinking. If LE already has someone under suspicion like DT's lawyer says it must be someone who nobody thought could do it. It could be an underage killer. That's the only thing I can think of right now that would be delaying everything. I know Elizabeth's killer got caught right away but Somer's murderer threw her in the trash and made it that much harder to even figure out where she was killed. I think though she was killed in those woods near pond and turtles. That may have been where Somer hung out when there was nobody on her side to play with and life got too hard for the sweet 7 year old.

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 02:59 PM
Hi Gang, Just wanted to throw in my:twocents: According to this news clip, Somer WALKED away from Sibs. rather than RAN away from them so this makes me think that the last spot where the sibs saw her is the exact point so.....which direction could this be? (sorry I forgot)

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/index.html

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 03:04 PM
So my understanding according to above article is this, Somer was dismissed from school @ 2:50....she caught up with sibs @ 1100 block Gano. Altercation took place and Somer wandered off from their sight.

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 03:10 PM
Also according to the above clip (contrary to MPR) It was DT who phone home @ 4pm to see if the kids made it home okay. SP stated Somer had not returned and that they had been looking for her the past hour. DT leaves work @ 4pm...... flags down a Deputy @ 5?

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 03:11 PM
Did I scare everyone away? LOL

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 03:15 PM
Sorry for the numerous posts, I am posting as thoughts come from my pea brain. So if it is true that Somer left the school by herself @ 2:50 then caught up with sibs @ 1100 Gano, wouldn't the sibs see what direction she was going when she walked away from them?

pinamia
12-16-2009, 03:16 PM
Did I scare everyone away? LOL

I'm still here. I just don't know what to think anymore. It's hard watching that clip knowing that Somer was long dead before they even started the huge search and he's saying tomorrow we will look harder.

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 03:18 PM
We now know that she was seen @ 1050 Gano. Are the addresses decreasing or increasing?

infinity14
12-16-2009, 03:20 PM
I must have been thinking of those National Geographic cameras that pick up ticks on a zebra's butt. :)

Now THAT'S Funny!! Thanks Noway!!

tarabull
12-16-2009, 03:22 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/...id=49317740001

From the video report: Yesterday when Somer was was had the little squabble with friend at school - her older sister is 10 and tried to calm her down, and they were walking from school around a lot of people...i mean patrol officers, police officers, and as she was walking down the sidewalk sister is trying to calm her down and apparently somer just takes off, and was chased for a while by older sister but she couldn't keep up with her - sherrif told me just a moment ago she could have gone into a wooded area, she could have gone into a sidestreet, she could have gone into a pond...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4556306&postcount=73

pinamia
12-16-2009, 03:26 PM
Sorry for the numerous posts, I am posting as thoughts come from my pea brain. So if it is true that Somer left the school by herself @ 2:50 then caught up with sibs @ 1100 Gano, wouldn't the sibs see what direction she was going when she walked away from them?

I think they said she ran ahead of them so it would be west down Gano. Noway has the map somewhere. The numbers went down. AT saw her 1100 Gano.

Noway wrote this in November and then at beginning of thread there is the map.

UPDATED MAP ON THREAD INCLUDES CROSSING GUARD AND BOY NEAR PROPANE TANKS

For reference ... bringing forward

Red = where siblings last saw her at Gano and Solomon

Blue = where CS (minor) last saw her at Gano and Grove Park Drive

Green = 1080 Gano


http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/89f440ee.jpg

pinamia
12-16-2009, 03:28 PM
We now know that she was seen @ 1050 Gano. Are the addresses decreasing or increasing?

Decreasing. 1100 then 1080 then 1050.

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 03:29 PM
Thanks Tarabull, well we have two conflicting reports just to complicate things even more.

pinamia
12-16-2009, 03:31 PM
Thanks Tarabull, well we have two conflicting reports just to complicate things even more.

Only two, we wish.

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 03:34 PM
Decreasing. 1100 then 1080 then 1050.

So if this is the case, the sibs must of walked by her when she visited Kyle @ 1080 Gano. If Kyle or others are not involved and she then headed towards home,hmmm, so....(I realize we have been through this a million times but where did the friend see her? (before or after 1080 Gano? ) The boy saw her at the tanks that are before 1080 Gano and the friend saw her at ? TIA

Cheewawa007
12-16-2009, 03:36 PM
Did I scare everyone away? LOL

:eek::eek::eek: Is it really cathdawg, or are my eyes playing tricks on me?

pinamia
12-16-2009, 03:39 PM
So if this is the case, the sibs must of walked by her when she visited Kyle @ 1080 Gano. If Kyle or others are not involved and she then headed towards home,hmmm, so....(I realize we have been through this a million times but where did the friend see her? (before or after 1080 Gano? ) The boy saw her at the tanks that are before 1080 Gano and the friend saw her at ? TIA

The friend saw her after 1080 Gano at around 1050 Gano and Grove Park Drive. The problem is the crossing guard didn't see her. I think her friend is the one with the Uncle (GC) and she was the last to see her. She's also the one she fought on the walk that day.

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 03:40 PM
Thanks for Noways map. Well, I think something happened at the Park. Maybe the Perp then took her back to 1080 Gano after workers had left for the day.

human
12-16-2009, 03:40 PM
So if this is the case, the sibs must of walked by her when she visited Kyle @ 1080 Gano. If Kyle or others are not involved and she then headed towards home,hmmm, so....(I realize we have been through this a million times but where did the friend see her? (before or after 1080 Gano? ) The boy saw her at the tanks that are before 1080 Gano and the friend saw her at ? TIA

Exactly. What about this little friend?

LE tells Kyle that HE is the last person to see her alive, but we have this little girl that comes up somewhere. Where?

The dogs apparently are able to follow her scent, so you would think that her scent is much easier to follow on a shortcut or on a less busy street.

And if DT is concerned about kids getting home-like 3:10 would be a normal time-why does she call at 4:00 and not at 3:15 or even 3:30? Isn't 4 a little late to call?

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 03:43 PM
Yep Chee, I am back. Had fun shopping (not). Tons of wrapping to do. Oh welll maybe I can use the new green thing and throw the gifts into a paper bag.

human
12-16-2009, 03:45 PM
And the uncle says before anyone knows where Somer is, that it could have been 50/50. The niece or Somer. Hm????

Where did they split up (girl and Somer)? Why did LE tell Kyle he was the last one?

Toooooooo many issues here.

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 03:47 PM
Exactly. What about this little friend?

LE tells Kyle that HE is the last person to see her alive, but we have this little girl that comes up somewhere. Where?

The dogs apparently are able to follow her scent, so you would think that her scent is much easier to follow on a shortcut or on a less busy street.

And if DT is concerned about kids getting home-like 3:10 would be a normal time-why does she call at 4:00 and not at 3:15 or even 3:30? Isn't 4 a little late to call?

I think so, however I feel that this was the norm for Somer. No one panicked. I still wonder if there is a cover up re SP at her home that day. Not meaning that DT or SP are directly involved , just because it looks so bad if no one was at home for these kids.

pinamia
12-16-2009, 03:48 PM
And the uncle says before anyone knows where Somer is, that it could have been 50/50. The niece or Somer. Hm????

Where did they split up (girl and Somer)? Why did LE tell Kyle he was the last one?

Toooooooo many issues here.

That Uncle looks suspicious to me, very suspicious.

I don't think Kyle exists at all. Why would someone call and say he was the last to see Somer alive? That's a stupid statement.

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 03:49 PM
Maybe LE told Kyle he was the last to see her as a trick. How about this Uncle has he been sleuthed?

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 03:51 PM
Someone posted the clip about Uncle's comment. Does it say where he and niece last say Somer?

human
12-16-2009, 03:53 PM
That Uncle looks suspicious to me, very suspicious.

I don't think Kyle exists at all. Why would someone call and say he was the last to see Somer alive? That's a stupid statement.

Kyle DID NOT call the reporter. The REPORTER called Kyle.

The reporter would have been able to figure out who worked there that day and called Kyle.

I noticed at sadnpod's pics that no more work has been done at the Gano house, that I can see. The house is only partially painted.

I imagine that lots of people are lying for their own reasons that may not have anything to with with Somer. None of it adds up.

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 03:55 PM
Okay, so if Uncle is right he and niece are the last to see Somer, Gano & Grove Park Dr.

New1
12-16-2009, 03:56 PM
Possible reasons for dog losing scent at DeBarry and Gano

1. Somer got in car
2. Somer turned around and walked back (I don't know if dog would distinguish scent direction)
3. Somer got ride on bike or scooter
4. Scent lost due to traffic (foot and vehicular)
5. Dog having bad day


Anything else? Maybe we can take these one by one and discredit them ... and if anyone has any other possible reasons, we'll add them and (lol) discredit them. Maybe what we're left with will be it.

6. Somer was snatched up off the ground by someone on foot?

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 04:06 PM
Within a 1/2 mi radius from Grove Park and Gano, there is The Chinese Food place, Christian School, and more attractions on Kingsley , block below Gano

Cheewawa007
12-16-2009, 04:10 PM
Yep Chee, I am back. Had fun shopping (not). Tons of wrapping to do. Oh welll maybe I can use the new green thing and throw the gifts into a paper bag.

How are the wild cats doing?

Cheewawa007
12-16-2009, 04:12 PM
And the uncle says before anyone knows where Somer is, that it could have been 50/50. The niece or Somer. Hm????

Where did they split up (girl and Somer)? Why did LE tell Kyle he was the last one?

Toooooooo many issues here.

BBM: Isn't Kyle the only one saying he was the last one to see her? Does anyone recall the LE stating Kyle was the last one to see Somer?

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 04:31 PM
Chee, I do not think LE ever said it was Kyle.

Kitty's are fine, however the raccoons steal the food @ night. Loaded the larder up with kibbles.

cathdawg
12-16-2009, 04:32 PM
Reporter Ryan Hughes was the fellow who said Kyle had contacted him, which is odd.

tarabull
12-16-2009, 04:33 PM
Thanks Tarabull, well we have two conflicting reports just to complicate things even more.

seems to be the only common thread with this case...

Chickadee
12-16-2009, 04:36 PM
For what it's worth....WLK was sentenced today. His estimated release date is 5/3/2010.

amytlake
12-16-2009, 04:50 PM
FWIW - I think the reason the sherriff said "she had been searching for 2.5 hours" is he was being somewhat unspecific as to who. In his own timeline he thinks Somer left school at approx 2:30 - DT flagged down officer around 5pm. that's 2.5 hours. he's assuming people have been looking for her "since she went missing" and made the mistake of saying it was DT herself, and not taking into a more accurate timeline that she may have been last seen closer to 3pm. JMO.

Also, in regards to Gano/Debary scent loss. IF the 3rd crossing gaurd is correct and Sommer did not cross at that intersection, how would she have gotten there that afternoon to have the scent lost? Did the dogs lose her scent on the side of the road where the crossing gaurd is (same side of road where house/tanks/sidewalk is) or on the opposite side of Debarry (side of Gano where the park is)? That could make a difference... maybe.. in my own head.

Chickadee
12-16-2009, 04:57 PM
I'm probably way off the beaten path here (again), but I've been thinking what the Astros said. In the chart it says the person (and a woman) is a stranger and a traveler who may need to refuel their vehicle. Are there any gas stations (that do car repairs) in the area? Don't they all have dumpsters? I know cars/trucks have brake dust. Brake dust is soot.

The Astros may not be right about WLK, but perhaps other things on the chart are correct. IDK?!?!?! Worth thinking about, I suppose.

Here's the chart:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/SomerGoesMissing126.jpg

sadnpod
12-16-2009, 05:03 PM
I think they said she ran ahead of them so it would be west down Gano. Noway has the map somewhere. The numbers went down. AT saw her 1100 Gano.

Noway wrote this in November and then at beginning of thread there is the map.

UPDATED MAP ON THREAD INCLUDES CROSSING GUARD AND BOY NEAR PROPANE TANKS

For reference ... bringing forward

Red = where siblings last saw her at Gano and Solomon

Blue = where CS (minor) last saw her at Gano and Grove Park Drive

Green = 1080 Gano


http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/89f440ee.jpg

Wow. Something makes sense to me.. grove park is the farthest point from her school. IF she caught up to MC then she would turn here, turn with MC on Arbor, or go straight past gate of shortcut, around to briarwood, you can also cut through across from gate and go through the fence that is now "repaired" to Debarry. There were two places in this fence that looked like you could cut through from arbor to debarry. One looked to be where shortcut came thru (the one that starts in back of the park), but crosses over grove park and ends at debarry, there is an irrigation ditch that would have to be crossed and a way to get thru wood privace fencing. The other place in the fence on debarry looked like it came through where GC's house is, but im not sure, there is another vacant house two doors down (IIRC), so it could have been it. GC's house looks well loved, flowers and such, I doubt they would let there be a hole through the fence in their back yard (but if kids used it.. maybe?) (This is in a pic showing post propping fence back on debarry) (right across debarry from this patch job is more woods with a path) When walking on Gano towards grove park.. Grove park from the left does not directly cross from grove park on the right, its about a half a block further. The crossing guard stands there. If somer turned left with MC, she could have easily missed him. And if she went to place by the irrigation ditch after that, it would be on her way home. We need to know if and where she walked with MC.. straight to her house and cut through the fence.. or pass her street and go on to where? Three obvious choices.. :waitasec: Straight to irrigation ditch where the turtles are, or across from there thru the fence to debarry which puts her house almost right there, or down grove park to Briarwood and back to her house which is not that far either.. but alot further to me if I was walking. All the shortcuts leave her wide open to be abducted/abused whatever without any one seeing, but taking her away would not be so easy. behind the park you can drive a car

sadnpod
12-16-2009, 05:10 PM
For what it's worth....WLK was sentenced today. His estimated release date is 5/3/2010.

WTF? (sorry) IT SHOULD BE 11/01/2014 at least.

Chickadee
12-16-2009, 05:26 PM
Can kids be hypnotized? I'm wondering if they were to hypnotize AT...would she be able to recall cars that went past her and ST???

Chili Fries
12-16-2009, 05:31 PM
Wow. Something makes sense to me.. grove park is the farthest point from her school. IF she caught up to MC then she would turn here, turn with MC on Arbor, or go straight past gate of shortcut, around to briarwood, you can also cut through across from gate and go through the fence that is now "repaired" to Debarry. There were two places in this fence that looked like you could cut through from arbor to debarry. One looked to be where shortcut came thru (the one that starts in back of the park), but crosses over grove park and ends at debarry, there is an irrigation ditch that would have to be crossed and a way to get thru wood privace fencing. The other place in the fence on debarry looked like it came through where GC's house is, but im not sure, there is another vacant house two doors down (IIRC), so it could have been it. GC's house looks well loved, flowers and such, I doubt they would let there be a hole through the fence in their back yard (but if kids used it.. maybe?) (This is in a pic showing post propping fence back on debarry) (right across debarry from this patch job is more woods with a path) When walking on Gano towards grove park.. Grove park from the left does not directly cross from grove park on the right, its about a half a block further. The crossing guard stands there. If somer turned left with MC, she could have easily missed him. And if she went to place by the irrigation ditch after that, it would be on her way home. We need to know if and where she walked with MC.. straight to her house and cut through the fence.. or pass her street and go on to where? Three obvious choices.. :waitasec: Straight to irrigation ditch where the turtles are, or across from there thru the fence to debarry which puts her house almost right there, or down grove park to Briarwood and back to her house which is not that far either.. but alot further to me if I was walking. All the shortcuts leave her wide open to be abducted/abused whatever without any one seeing, but taking her away would not be so easy. behind the park you can drive a car

The fundamental point to me is still the probability that she crossed the street without being seen by the crossing guards. Is traffic light enough after school lets out for her to cross at a place without a crossing guard?

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 05:36 PM
Up to an hour, so to panic at 4:00 would be premature, for this situation.

Maybe, maybe not? I'm trying to look at the whole time (recent) leading up to the day. Some posters have commented on the home life. Don't bash me, please...reports of possible abuse, etc. From the pics I have seen of Somer it looks like she is smiling in "pose" for the camera, but the "sad" one of her and Sammy is the one that jumped out at me, looked like she was pouting or in trouble, etc. There was the one close up of DT smiling and Somer with her head thrown back looking like she was having a fit. Maybe she was being tickled....Normal. But the running off, the lonliness, the whole trend of the thing. We are still trying to figure out if DT met with SP to talk about situations or helping the child, etc. It's a big mystery, the biggest is what went on in DT's head which only she knows. All I can say is that since the beginning I have, and continued to have, a lot of confusion and uneasiness about Somer's life and her mom's general demeanor and changing of stories, etc.

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 05:43 PM
Possible reasons for dog losing scent at DeBarry and Gano

1. Somer got in car
2. Somer turned around and walked back (I don't know if dog would distinguish scent direction)
3. Somer got ride on bike or scooter
4. Scent lost due to traffic (foot and vehicular)
5. Dog having bad day


Anything else? Maybe we can take these one by one and discredit them ... and if anyone has any other possible reasons, we'll add them and (lol) discredit them. Maybe what we're left with will be it.

Perp grabbed Somer up off her feet, smothered her, carried her limp body and put it in a garbage bag which would cover the scent, then dumped her.

No matter who or what we discuss, including locations, dumpsters, shortcuts, boyfriends, parenting, grade point average or if her hair ribbon was red or pink, it remains that she was alone, grabbed in broad daylight, killed quietly and disposed of without anyone noticing or hearing a thing. Or if they heard or saw in any of the locations in any circumstances, they are not saying.

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 05:47 PM
FWIW - I think the reason the sherriff said "she had been searching for 2.5 hours" is he was being somewhat unspecific as to who. In his own timeline he thinks Somer left school at approx 2:30 - DT flagged down officer around 5pm. that's 2.5 hours. he's assuming people have been looking for her "since she went missing" and made the mistake of saying it was DT herself, and not taking into a more accurate timeline that she may have been last seen closer to 3pm. JMO.

Also, in regards to Gano/Debary scent loss. IF the 3rd crossing gaurd is correct and Sommer did not cross at that intersection, how would she have gotten there that afternoon to have the scent lost? Did the dogs lose her scent on the side of the road where the crossing gaurd is (same side of road where house/tanks/sidewalk is) or on the opposite side of Debarry (side of Gano where the park is)? That could make a difference... maybe.. in my own head.

The school would know exactly what time her last class let out, which kids went to buses and which walked - they are grouped like that. If she stayed behind longer, a teacher would have noticed. Because other kids would not be there. I am sure LE has asked by now and gotten the exact time.

I think Sheriff was saying exactly what he was told by DT. She didn't appear to think it was incorrect when he stated it.

Noway
12-16-2009, 05:59 PM
Decreasing. 1100 then 1080 then 1050.

1050 is closer to the school. Then comes the Gano House at 1080. Then the 1100 block of Gano.

The numbers get bigger the farther away from the school you go. (That's what threw off my theories not to mention everything I'd thought about the order in which people saw Somer.)

Based on that. it seems Somer visited with Kyle before meeting up with siblings. Unless for some reason she turned around ?

Noway
12-16-2009, 06:05 PM
Also according to the above clip (contrary to MPR) It was DT who phone home @ 4pm to see if the kids made it home okay. SP stated Somer had not returned and that they had been looking for her the past hour. DT leaves work @ 4pm...... flags down a Deputy @ 5?

Based on the MPR, isn't it "fact" that Diena texted first? At about 4 she texted Sean and asked how the kids were doing and he texted back that Somer hadn't come home with the other two?

If asked when she first realized Somer did not come home, she would probably say that she got a text message from Sean. I don't think her omission that she texted him to ask about the kids is a red flag (necessarily).

When they questioned Sean and he described his actions, it would have included telling AT to search really good before he called Diena. At about 4, Diena texted him and he responded that Somer hadn't come home. I think he also said that AT was looking for her. It is possible that Diena didn't want to put Sean in the position of being the adult in charge and didn't want AT to be the one out looking for Somer, and that's why she left right away.

By the time she got to OPAA, and Somer wasn't found (cell phone records should show calls (text or phone) between her and Sean, she felt something was wrong and flagged down the officer. Does that make sense?

human
12-16-2009, 06:07 PM
I'm probably way off the beaten path here (again), but I've been thinking what the Astros said. In the chart it says the person (and a woman) is a stranger and a traveler who may need to refuel their vehicle. Are there any gas stations (that do car repairs) in the area? Don't they all have dumpsters? I know cars/trucks have brake dust. Brake dust is soot.

The Astros may not be right about WLK, but perhaps other things on the chart are correct. IDK?!?!?! Worth thinking about, I suppose.

Here's the chart:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/SomerGoesMissing126.jpg

Unless things have changes, brake dust is asbestos. It might be something else because asbestos is a known carcinogen, but I don't know if laws have changed it yet.

human
12-16-2009, 06:09 PM
Chee, I do not think LE ever said it was Kyle.

Kitty's are fine, however the raccoons steal the food @ night. Loaded the larder up with kibbles.

There is an article somewhere and Momma D followed up. Kyle said that LE told HIM that he was the last known person to see her alive.

Again, Kyle did NOT call the reporter. The reporter, Ryan Hughes called Kyle, according to info from Momma D somewhere in her posts.

human
12-16-2009, 06:16 PM
1050 is closer to the school. Then comes the Gano House at 1080. Then the 1100 block of Gano.

The numbers get bigger the farther away from the school you go. (That's what threw off my theories not to mention everything I'd thought about the order in which people saw Somer.)

Based on that. it seems Somer visited with Kyle before meeting up with siblings. Unless for some reason she turned around ?

It's a mystery

1. Kyle is said to be last known person to see her alive

2. She stops and talks to Kyle and then meets up with sibs?

3. She is alone at the propane tanks before Gano house.

4. She walks with MC.


When does she meet up with MC? When does she run from sibs? How does this all work

Chickadee
12-16-2009, 06:17 PM
All the "facts" released in this case seem to have a contradictory "fact" to go along with it.

School lets out at 2:32 according to the GPE website (http://www.clay.k12.fl.us/gpe/parent_guide.htm).

Sgt. Dan Mahla is quoted (and reporter asks him to verify) that Somer was released by the school at 2:50 p.m.

But she was last seen by her siblings at 2:45 p.m.

Sgt. Mahla also states that she caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano, which someone here pointed out would be AFTER the Gano House. (So how could Kyle be the last one to see her if she caught up with them after the Gano House? Are they discounting what any kid reported and only accepting adults' word?)

I can't tell what came first in this case ... HELP!

Our schools let the "walkers" out about 10 minutes before the kids that get bused. I looked at our school's website and it doesn't say anything about that, but I know for a fact our kids get out at different times even though they are in the same school. Maybe the walkers are dismissed after the buses leave in Orange Park?? That would account for the different times given (I think).

I've been looking through the link you provided and can't find anything about walkers getting dismissed either before or after the bused kids.

infinity14
12-16-2009, 06:23 PM
Greetings one and all; May I make a suggestion? Seems as though the past few days this thread has turned into a debate over the proper way to raise a child. Regardless of our own parenting skills, experiences, beliefs, it is taking us away from the true matter at hand. Regardless of who you support or don't (DT,ST,SP,etc), it shouldn't matter. I hope we are all here for Somer. Whether she wandered off constantly, had friends, hugged strangers, etc could play a role in her demise. However, coulda woulda shoulda isn't getting us anywhere. What do you say we focus on those new pictures that sad was kind enough to take for us of places off the beaten path... how about we start with the possibilities of directions she could have gone? Whatcha say? Can I get a post count?

Thank you Chee! I couldn't agree more!

trigger
12-16-2009, 06:32 PM
1050 is closer to the school. Then comes the Gano House at 1080. Then the 1100 block of Gano.

The numbers get bigger the farther away from the school you go. (That's what threw off my theories not to mention everything I'd thought about the order in which people saw Somer.)

Based on that. it seems Somer visited with Kyle before meeting up with siblings. Unless for some reason she turned around ?

OK i didn't realized that either..

I remember a mother being interviewed sayi her dauhhter and Somer would go to the Library. Does anyone remember that? Wheres the library at?

Noway
12-16-2009, 06:41 PM
It was the library at the school. The mother is Tina and the daughter is 11. The article is posted in this thread, but I don't remember what page (maybe 33).

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/10/more-tips-no-arrest-in-somer-t.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/25/national/main5420298.shtml

My inclination is that Somer was walking with M. (niece of GC) from the school to the point where they squabbled. If Somer dilly dallied before catching up with siblings (propane tanks and Kyle at Gano House) then it's possible that M. caught up with AT and ST before Somerand told them about the squabble (being hit with backpack or verbal, not sure). So that when Somer caught up, AT told her to stop squabbling, fighting, tiffing, etc.

THEORY

trigger
12-16-2009, 06:46 PM
It was the library at the school. The mother is Tina and the daughter is 11. The article is posted in this thread, but I don't remember what page (maybe 35).

My inclination is that Somer was walking with M. (niece of GC) from the school to the point where they squabbled. If Somer dilly dallied before catching up with siblings (propane tanks and Kyle at Gano House) then it's possible that M. caught up with AT and ST and told them about the squabble (being hit with backpack or verbal, not sure).

THEORY

Thanx just found the article.....

Then I saw this.....Orange County teacher arrested :furious:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-teacher-porn-sentence-20091216,0,7141198.story

Noway
12-16-2009, 06:47 PM
ORANGE PARK, Fla. -- Just about everyday, Somer Thompson would walk home from Grove Park Elementary School. Monday afternoon was no different when she began walking home with her siblings. One Orange Park family says their little girl would also walk with Somer from time to time, and was walking with her Monday afternoon just before she disappeared.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Family-has-special-connection-to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx

Noway
12-16-2009, 06:49 PM
Maybe Somer dilly dallied, M. caught up with the siblings AT and ST first ... and that is how AT heard about the squabble. When Somer caught up (allegedly) in the 1100 block of Gano (now walking with AT and ST), her sister AT told her to stop fighting. M. would have turned up Grove Park to Arbor (maybe).

ETA: Confusing reports say that AT and ST last saw Somer near intersection of Gano and Solomon; the 1100 block of Gano came from Dan Mahla, CCSO.

REVISED THEORY

Noway
12-16-2009, 06:51 PM
I'm confused because my map says siblings last saw her at Gano and Solomon but LE said she caught up to siblings in the 1100 block of Gano.

Details from the incident report
The Sheriff’s Office released a copy of the incident report Thursday night and some new details about circumstances involving Somer’s disappearance. They included:
— Somer’s mother, Diena Thompson, told deputies she first learned of her daughter’s disappearance from family friend Sean P., who was visiting the home and was asked by Thompson to wait for the children to arrive home from school. He said Somer’s twin brother and older sister arrived about 3:10 p.m. without her and they told him she ran from them after her sister confronted her about getting into a fight with another girl at school.
— Somer’s sister, AT, 10, said she lost sight of her as she ran into a group of other children. She last saw her running west on Gano Avenue near Solomon Street.

http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-22/story/search_for_clues_continues_at_scene_near_where_som er_thompson

pinamia
12-16-2009, 06:59 PM
I'm probably way off the beaten path here (again), but I've been thinking what the Astros said. In the chart it says the person (and a woman) is a stranger and a traveler who may need to refuel their vehicle. Are there any gas stations (that do car repairs) in the area? Don't they all have dumpsters? I know cars/trucks have brake dust. Brake dust is soot.

The Astros may not be right about WLK, but perhaps other things on the chart are correct. IDK?!?!?! Worth thinking about, I suppose.

Here's the chart:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/SomerGoesMissing126.jpg

Somer's birthdate is April 5 not April 15.

I found that astro completely false. You need the time of birth as well to do an accurate chart if there is such a thing.

The stranger aspect is totally off. Totally. Somer wouldn't go with a complete stranger. Guaranteed.

Cheewawa007
12-16-2009, 06:59 PM
It was the library at the school. The mother is Tina and the daughter is 11. The article is posted in this thread, but I don't remember what page (maybe 33).

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/10/more-tips-no-arrest-in-somer-t.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/25/national/main5420298.shtml

My inclination is that Somer was walking with M. (niece of GC) from the school to the point where they squabbled. If Somer dilly dallied before catching up with siblings (propane tanks and Kyle at Gano House) then it's possible that M. caught up with AT and ST before Somerand told them about the squabble (being hit with backpack or verbal, not sure). So that when Somer caught up, AT told her to stop squabbling, fighting, tiffing, etc.

THEORY

Your inclination sounds very possible IMO. AT and ST I'm sure gave the LE information that hasn't been made public. The LE outside the home for such a long period of time (weeks after the murder) might be an indication that one of the kids saw someone or something...on second thought - probably not. I was going somewhere with my thoughts, but the fingers are telling me no, no, no.

pinamia
12-16-2009, 07:05 PM
Thanx just found the article.....

Then I saw this.....Orange County teacher arrested :furious:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-teacher-porn-sentence-20091216,0,7141198.story

You would think after a conviction he wouldn't have been allowed to be near kids let alone teach 2nd graders.

Noway
12-16-2009, 07:09 PM
Nothing is making sense to me.

Initial reports said she was last seen near DeBarry and Gano. (reported on news, got people out and looking)

By Tuesday, Mahla is saying that Somer caught up with siblings in 1100 block of Gano.

By Friday, 10/23, media is saying last seen by siblings at Gano and Solomon.

Video of Ryan Hughes talking about Kyle @ 0:40 marker. (10/23)
http://www.wftv.com/video/21409330/index.html

pinamia
12-16-2009, 07:30 PM
1050 is closer to the school. Then comes the Gano House at 1080. Then the 1100 block of Gano.

The numbers get bigger the farther away from the school you go. (That's what threw off my theories not to mention everything I'd thought about the order in which people saw Somer.)

Based on that. it seems Somer visited with Kyle before meeting up with siblings. Unless for some reason she turned around ?

Now it makes sense. She was with her friend walking home and she had her argument and then met up with her siblings and then ran ahead of them. She never saw Kyle. Then as she approached Debarry she was abducted by someone she knew waiting for her. That's what I think happened. Then he brought her body to a dumpster after he killed her.

If there was any evidence at 1080 Gano, LE would have arrest someone by now.

tarabull
12-16-2009, 07:37 PM
Hey all this talk about Bagel's and Eagle's earlier.....has anyone every looked up uncles record????

....I hadn't:

1. Leave/Scene Acci Prop Damage 64181TW 316.061 Criminal Traffic First Degree 04/03/1991
2. 316.193(1) DUI - Driving Under the Influence - 1st Offense 64181TW 316.193(1) Criminal Traffic First Degree 04/03/1991

I haven't to admit THIS caught my attention.

trigger
12-16-2009, 07:39 PM
You would think after a conviction he wouldn't have been allowed to be near kids let alone teach 2nd graders.

Outrageous. Just 2 days ago they arrested a asst priicipal in Jacksonville. He was also a principal in 2 other schools in Fla. When will it stop??

tarabull
12-16-2009, 07:42 PM
Outrageous. Just 2 days ago they arrested a asst priicipal in Jacksonville. He was also a principal in 2 other schools in Fla. When will it stop??

I SAW that....and he sure flip flopped (principal / guidance counsellor) and changed jobs a couple times - did that not make anyone suspicious like LOOOOOOOOOOOONG ago!

jeeeeeez!

pinamia
12-16-2009, 07:44 PM
Wow. Something makes sense to me.. grove park is the farthest point from her school. IF she caught up to MC then she would turn here, turn with MC on Arbor, or go straight past gate of shortcut, around to briarwood, you can also cut through across from gate and go through the fence that is now "repaired" to Debarry. There were two places in this fence that looked like you could cut through from arbor to debarry. One looked to be where shortcut came thru (the one that starts in back of the park), but crosses over grove park and ends at debarry, there is an irrigation ditch that would have to be crossed and a way to get thru wood privace fencing. The other place in the fence on debarry looked like it came through where GC's house is, but im not sure, there is another vacant house two doors down (IIRC), so it could have been it. GC's house looks well loved, flowers and such, I doubt they would let there be a hole through the fence in their back yard (but if kids used it.. maybe?) (This is in a pic showing post propping fence back on debarry) (right across debarry from this patch job is more woods with a path) When walking on Gano towards grove park.. Grove park from the left does not directly cross from grove park on the right, its about a half a block further. The crossing guard stands there. If somer turned left with MC, she could have easily missed him. And if she went to place by the irrigation ditch after that, it would be on her way home. We need to know if and where she walked with MC.. straight to her house and cut through the fence.. or pass her street and go on to where? Three obvious choices.. :waitasec: Straight to irrigation ditch where the turtles are, or across from there thru the fence to debarry which puts her house almost right there, or down grove park to Briarwood and back to her house which is not that far either.. but alot further to me if I was walking. All the shortcuts leave her wide open to be abducted/abused whatever without any one seeing, but taking her away would not be so easy. behind the park you can drive a car

Sorry Sad. I got it wrong. It was 1100 Gano first with MC then 1080 and then 1050 with her siblings. Sorry again. The numbers were going the other way. Check Noway's post. Sorry again.

trigger
12-16-2009, 07:46 PM
Now it makes sense. She was with her friend walking home and she had her argument and then met up with her siblings and then ran ahead of them. She never saw Kyle. Then as she approached Debarry she was abducted by someone she knew waiting for her. That's what I think happened. Then he brought her body to a dumpster after he killed her.

If there was any evidence at 1080 Gano, LE would have arrest someone by now.

I shouldn't bring it up again but when you turn onto Debarry from Gano the frist street you come to is Red Maple Dr ..well thats where the sheds are that I saw in my dream...

Noway
12-16-2009, 07:51 PM
Hey all this talk about Bagel's and Eagle's earlier.....has anyone every looked up uncles record????

....I hadn't:

1. Leave/Scene Acci Prop Damage 64181TW 316.061 Criminal Traffic First Degree 04/03/1991
2. 316.193(1) DUI - Driving Under the Influence - 1st Offense 64181TW 316.193(1) Criminal Traffic First Degree 04/03/1991

I haven't to admit THIS caught my attention.

How old is uncle?

These are from 18 years ago and clean since then?

trigger
12-16-2009, 07:54 PM
I SAW that....and he sure flip flopped (principal / guidance counsellor) and changed jobs a couple times - did that not make anyone suspicious like LOOOOOOOOOOOONG ago!

jeeeeeez!

Everyones failing our children....

pinamia
12-16-2009, 07:56 PM
I shouldn't bring it up again but when you turn onto Debarry from Gano the frist street you come to is Red Maple Dr ..well thats where the sheds are that I saw in my dream...

I hope they investigated those sheds.

tarabull
12-16-2009, 07:58 PM
Born in 1942 - Hasn't been in trouble since 2000.
Here's the list:

1. Leave/Scene Acci Prop Damage 64181TW 316.061 Criminal Traffic First Degree 04/03/1991

2. 316.193(1) DUI - Driving Under the Influence - 1st Offense 64181TW 316.193(1) Criminal Traffic First Degree 04/03/1991

3. Leave/Scene Acci Prop Damage 65118TW 316.061 Criminal Traffic First Degree 04/03/1991

4. 322.34(2)(a) Driving While License Suspended-1st Conviction 927590Z 322.34(2)(a) Criminal Traffic Second Degree 02/17/1999

5. 320.261 Attaching Tag Not Assigned 927590Z 320.261 Criminal Traffic Second Degree 02/17/1999

6. 316.2061 Blocking an intersection or crosswalk 927588Z 316.2061 Infraction 02/17/1999

7. 86.47(7) Animals at Large 86.47(7) Not Applicable 01/15/2000

Noway
12-16-2009, 07:59 PM
I don't know if the records found are for the uncle. I found them and the DOB is 1942. That would make him 67.

I didn't think he looked that old.

Noway
12-16-2009, 08:04 PM
It's not the uncle.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Family-has-special-connection-to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx

Watch video (at link, on right) at 2:54. No way that guy (uncle (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/GeorgeCUncleofMSomersFriend.jpg)) is 67 years old. THIS (guy with record) could be a relative (dad?)

pinamia
12-16-2009, 08:09 PM
How old is uncle?

These are from 18 years ago and clean since then?

06/24/1942 He had something 2000 which is 10 years ago.

2/24/2000 Disposition (Judicial Officer: Townsend, Richard R)
1. 86.47(7) Animals at LargeWithhold Adjudication





I wonder if he lived somewhere else after that.

Arbor Circle.


To get to Arbor Circle, MC must go on Grove Park Drive off Gano.


So she didn't meet up with AT out of the way.

pinamia
12-16-2009, 08:10 PM
It's not the uncle.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Family-has-special-connection-to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx

Watch video (at link, on right) at 2:54. No way that guy is 67 years old. THIS could be a relative (dad?)


Didn't look 67 to me either.


There is a younger GWC that's born in 1971 that lives in the same address.

trigger
12-16-2009, 08:11 PM
Everyday we come here to see if theres any news on Somers killer. Not even a briefing from LE..Nothing...So thats it.

I remember there was a sexual assault by my grand kids school. Theres a Elementary and High school right across from where we live. The school had a meeting with the parents because they were concern for the children. Anything like that happeing there??

tarabull
12-16-2009, 08:51 PM
sorry for starting this wild goose chase....

i obviously need to turn my brain on.

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 09:13 PM
I shouldn't bring it up again but when you turn onto Debarry from Gano the frist street you come to is Red Maple Dr ..well thats where the sheds are that I saw in my dream...you cannot access these sheds from Debarry....only access is on Gano, entrance to the Grove Condos....if I am remembering correctly....they are fenced in at the back of the condos....

Chickadee
12-16-2009, 09:18 PM
:waitasec: Now why would SP go and delete his FB account???? Hmmm :confused:

And.........DT's oldest sister DB...well now her page is private. I was able to click on her highlighted name to get to her page, now I can't. So I guess that means it's private???? When I do a search for her, she doesn't even show up now. Hmmmmmmmm What is going on???

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 09:22 PM
also let me add that inside of the Grove Condos there are a few dumpsters, but they are in a little fence....you can't see them from google, because they are enclosed....but we did search a few of them....

Noway
12-16-2009, 09:33 PM
For what it's worth, the friend M. could also turn up DeBarry and go in her back gate to her house on Arbor Circle. (Assuming that it's not locked anyway.) She could also take the shortcut, turn on Willow and go from there to Arbor Circle.

Link to Parcel Map (http://qpublic5.qpublic.net/fl_clay2.html?parcel=08-04-26-020050-000-00&extent=427873+2123559+428533+2124051&layers=parcels+parcel_sales+roads+dims+parcels2+su bs)
(don't know if this will work)

ETA: I think in one of the comments under an article, someone mentions that the friend M. had already turned off so that the fight wasn't with her. At least I thought that is who they meant.

Noway
12-16-2009, 09:44 PM
also let me add that inside of the Grove Condos there are a few dumpsters, but they are in a little fence....you can't see them from google, because they are enclosed....but we did search a few of them....

Cam, in one of my ventures into the world of garbage in OP, I read that it was a requirement to shield the dumpsters from view. But not all seem to do that (schools for one). I didn't read the law/ordinance to find out who has to comply.

Noway
12-16-2009, 09:46 PM
:waitasec: Now why would SP go and delete his FB account???? Hmmm :confused:

And.........DT's oldest sister DB...well now her page is private. I was able to click on her highlighted name to get to her page, now I can't. So I guess that means it's private???? When I do a search for her, she doesn't even show up now. Hmmmmmmmm What is going on???

They finally bought a clue. ETA: I just remembered that Facebook has new security controls. Maybe they are still out there and you and I cannot see them now because we're not 1)Friend or 2)Friend of Friend ...

JMO

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 09:48 PM
Cam, in one of my ventures into the world of garbage in OP, I read that it was a requirement to shield the dumpsters from view. But not all seem to do that (schools for one). I didn't read the law/ordinance to find out who has to comply.yes, I read that too...not the particulars tho...but this Condo unit does keep them in little fences....they were unlocked, so we did look....

New1
12-16-2009, 09:50 PM
FWIW - I think the reason the sherriff said "she had been searching for 2.5 hours" is he was being somewhat unspecific as to who. In his own timeline he thinks Somer left school at approx 2:30 - DT flagged down officer around 5pm. that's 2.5 hours. he's assuming people have been looking for her "since she went missing" and made the mistake of saying it was DT herself, and not taking into a more accurate timeline that she may have been last seen closer to 3pm. JMO.

Also, in regards to Gano/Debary scent loss. IF the 3rd crossing gaurd is correct and Sommer did not cross at that intersection, how would she have gotten there that afternoon to have the scent lost? Did the dogs lose her scent on the side of the road where the crossing gaurd is (same side of road where house/tanks/sidewalk is) or on the opposite side of Debarry (side of Gano where the park is)? That could make a difference... maybe.. in my own head.

That's a very good question.

tarabull
12-16-2009, 09:52 PM
what does this mean?

- Order requiring completion of parenting education and stabilization course

??

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 09:53 PM
Maybe Somer hid, and then after the crossing guards left someone chased her, and she made it that far??....kwim??

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 09:56 PM
http://www.myfloridafamilies.com/docs/ParentEducationFamilyStabilizationCourseProvidersL ist2009.pdf
this course is approved by DCF!!!

tarabull
12-16-2009, 09:57 PM
http://www.myfloridafamilies.com/docs/parenteducationfamilystabilizationcourseprovidersl ist2009.pdf
this course is approved by dcf!!!

10-4.

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 09:58 PM
actually I think this is standard now days in Florida when seeking a divorce and there are children.....children first.....required for divorce here....I think....

Chickadee
12-16-2009, 09:58 PM
They finally bought a clue. ETA: I just remembered that Facebook has new security controls. Maybe they are still out there and you and I cannot see them now because we're not 1)Friend or 2)Friend of Friend ...

JMO

Yes, that's probably true of DB's page. But SP's page is gone...POOF!

Noway
12-16-2009, 09:58 PM
Is that the course required by divorcing parents in Florida?

(I remember making a comment that I didn't know parents had to go to class when divorcing ... good idea)

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 09:58 PM
my divorce was years ago, and there was nothing like this then.....but from what I have heard, it is the norm....

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 10:00 PM
I also see where you can take this course "on line".......

sorrell skye
12-16-2009, 10:01 PM
what does this mean?

- Order requiring completion of parenting education and stabilization course

??

Sounds like someone was investigated by child protective services & was court ordered to attend a parenting class.

amytlake
12-16-2009, 10:02 PM
what does this mean?

- Order requiring completion of parenting education and stabilization course

??

1 of 2 things..
Either required by DCF after an investigation
OR
it's the parenting class Florida requires you to take in order to get divorced if the parents have children.

if this is DT and ST civil case, i'm going to assume it's likely the latter. When i got divorced (I live in FL), my ex and I were both required to do this "parenting class" in order to get the divorced finalized. (it was an online class much like traffic school online classes.. read a page, answer 2 questions, etc...)
The DCF classes are actual classes you have to attend for months i believe.

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 10:03 PM
from what I know, the state requires BOTH parents to take this....

amytlake
12-16-2009, 10:04 PM
I also see where you can take this course "on line".......

The that's just the parenting class you have to take in order to get divorced.. the DCF parneting classes they make you take after an investigation are not available online - you have to actually go to a center and sit in a class for 3 hours 3 days a week or something.
So i think this is benign and just a requirement to finalize their divorce

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 10:04 PM
1 of 2 things..
Either required by DCF after an investigation
OR
it's the parenting class Florida requires you to take in order to get divorced if the parents have children.

if this is DT and ST civil case, i'm going to assume it's likely the latter. When i got divorced (I live in FL), my ex and I were both required to do this "parenting class" in order to get the divorced finalized. (it was an online class much like traffic school online classes.. read a page, answer 2 questions, etc...)
The DCF classes are actual classes you have to attend for months i believe.I am pretty sure it is because of the divorce....makes sense here, at least to the courts....MO

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 10:07 PM
how many of DT's children are actually ST's? little ST and AT?

sorrell skye
12-16-2009, 10:15 PM
1 of 2 things..
Either required by DCF after an investigation
OR
it's the parenting class Florida requires you to take in order to get divorced if the parents have children.

if this is DT and ST civil case, i'm going to assume it's likely the latter. When i got divorced (I live in FL), my ex and I were both required to do this "parenting class" in order to get the divorced finalized. (it was an online class much like traffic school online classes.. read a page, answer 2 questions, etc...)
The DCF classes are actual classes you have to attend for months i believe.

Well that makes sense. Where I live, parenting classes are only court ordered when there is a CPS investigation, and only if CPS determines that the child(ren) have been abused or are at risk of being abused.

In divorce proceeding involving children where I live, the only thing state law requires is that legal counsel has been sought to write what is called a "parenting plan" that covers care & expenses until the children have graduated college. The parenting plan is attached to the petition for dissolution of marriage, and must be approved by the judge before the decree of dissolution is finalized.

But thanks for clarifying that, Amy. Apparently, every state has their own requirements.

tarabull
12-16-2009, 10:21 PM
I've been comparing other recently disolved divorce records at Clay County, anyone whose interested might want to do the same.......or not.

(search by attorney)

sadnpod
12-16-2009, 10:26 PM
The fundamental point to me is still the probability that she crossed the street without being seen by the crossing guards. Is traffic light enough after school lets out for her to cross at a place without a crossing guard?

She could have passed over to the park without a guard.. I think and have been told by people in the park that vehicle traffic has increased alot since then. So at that time it might not have been a big deal. Also if she crossed to go over to grove park, the crossing guard is down further, he may not have seen her.

Noway
12-16-2009, 10:27 PM
What about a mailman?

Nobody would pay too much attention to a mailman. And they stop/go all the time. Wonder when (time) mail is delivered on Gano and surrounding area.

THEORY

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 10:32 PM
She could have passed over to the park without a guard.. I think and have been told by people in the park that vehicle traffic has increased alot since then. So at that time it might not have been a big deal. Also if she crossed to go over to grove park, the crossing guard is down further, he may not have seen her.let me see if I can explain this....from her school, the second crossing guard is at the corner of Gano and Grove Park....on the left, if you are coming from the school....if she took Grove park to the right....that would be after the second guard....unless she crossed over prior to him, like at the burnt home, to go over to the ball park...kwim? I would think there would be lots of traffic from parents getting children at school, and buses leaving just prior to this....I would think someone would have had to stop to see her cross the street, unless she waited and tried to go home later, after all had gone home.....MO

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 10:36 PM
I just wonder if DT could have actually found her while searching, or AT? I hate to think this....but gosh....nothing makes sense to me.....please do not be upset with me for posting this....it is just a thought.....could have been furious with her, esp if she got a call from the school about a fight....if that even happened.....

what about this?
12-16-2009, 10:37 PM
You know, I believe that if LE could have given ANY more information out at all, maybe this would be all over by now.

Someone did this, and someone knows. Anything, anything at all could have, and can still, turn this around.

This is how cold cases happen. IMO

Noway
12-16-2009, 10:40 PM
order requiring completion of parenting education and stabilization course

I know I've seen this before December 16. (date it appears in divorce record of Diena and Samuel)

This might be it.
http://www.circuit8.org/ao/orders/5.1120%28E%29.pdf

tarabull
12-16-2009, 10:46 PM
order requiring completion of parenting education and stabilization course

I know I've seen this before December 16.

This might be it.
http://www.circuit8.org/ao/orders/5.1120%28E%29.pdf

I see alot of Child 1st in Divorce...
or
order for both parties to complete CFID
and then:
certificate of completion of "A Positive Divorce Resolution"
certificate of completion of "A Positive Divorce Resolution"
(showing both parties completed it)

not the parenting education and stabilization course ....
but when i find the same wording, i'll let you know.

Noway
12-16-2009, 10:53 PM
What I meant was that I'd seen mention of it in the divorce records but listed on a different date.

I'm afraid discussion about it might have been in Thread 14 where stuff was deleted.

This might be different than your run of the mill parenting class.

amytlake
12-16-2009, 10:54 PM
I see alot of Child 1st in Divorce...
or
order for both parties to complete CFID
and then:
certificate of completion of "A Positive Divorce Resolution"
certificate of completion of "A Positive Divorce Resolution"
(showing both parties completed it)

not the parenting education and stabilization course ....
but when i find the same wording, i'll let you know.

http://www.divorce-resolution.com/

"A Positive Divorce Resolution (PDR) is an approved 4-hour Parent Education & Family Stabilization Course for parents who are divorcing"

sadnpod
12-16-2009, 10:57 PM
let me see if I can explain this....from her school, the second crossing guard is at the corner of Gano and Grove Park....on the left, if you are coming from the school....if she took Grove park to the right....that would be after the second guard....unless she crossed over prior to him, like at the burnt home, to go over to the ball park...kwim? I would think there would be lots of traffic from parents getting children at school, and buses leaving just prior to this....I would think someone would have had to stop to see her cross the street, unless she waited and tried to go home later, after all had gone home.....MO

BBM

I think the crossing guard is on the left, but the right turn on grove park is before that guard, like 1/4 to 1/2 a block before. its doesnt cross straight over

Noway
12-16-2009, 10:59 PM
6/10/2009
Certificate of Completion of A Positive Divorce Resolution (http://www.divorce-resolution.com/)

DT ST Divorce Record (http://clerk.co.clay.fl.us/OdysseyPA/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=1148413)

This might be what I was thinking of. It seems like the run of the mill class for parents.


ETA: Just wondering if the murder of Somer may have required something more than your usual parenting class ...

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 11:02 PM
BBM

I think the crossing guard is on the left, but the right turn on grove park is before that guard, like 1/4 to 1/2 a block before. its doesnt cross straight overno, it is after the guard....I was parked in the parking lot of the ball park beside the tennis courts....right across from the burnt home and the lawn care dude....crossing guard is next....I am almost sure of this....let me go look at the map again....

tarabull
12-16-2009, 11:03 PM
order requiring completion of parenting education and stabilization course

I know I've seen this before December 16. (date it appears in divorce record of Diena and Samuel)

This might be it.
http://www.circuit8.org/ao/orders/5.1120%28E%29.pdf

THANKS Noway!!!!!!!!

That's IT!

Noway
12-16-2009, 11:06 PM
07/10/2009 Notice of Related Cases
07/10/2009 Certificate of Compliance


I wonder what this means. What are related cases?

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 11:06 PM
grove park to the right is like 1/4 to 1/2 block PAST the second guard, but on the opposite side of the road...did you have a good day Sad?

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 11:06 PM
[QUOTE=Noway;4570592]All the "facts" released in this case seem to have a contradictory "fact" to go along with it.

School lets out at 2:32 according to the GPE website (http://www.clay.k12.fl.us/gpe/parent_guide.htm).

Sgt. Dan Mahla is quoted (and reporter asks him to verify) that Somer was released by the school at 2:50 p.m.

But she was last seen by her siblings at 2:45 p.m.

Sgt. Mahla also states that she caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano, which someone here pointed out would be AFTER the Gano House. (So how could Kyle be the last one to see her if she caught up with them after the Gano House? Are they discounting what any kid reported and only accepting adults' word?)


My son is a special education teacher with kids Somer's age and under. When school is ready to let out, he gathers two groups: those being picked up by parents and those being bused (there are no walkers that I know of, but they would be led out with the group as well). Those groups are escorted by teaher and aides to the appropriate places. There are plenty of teachers out there and everybody knows everybody. At this point, if a child got into a fight or ran off, he would personally take the child aside and stay with the child, and if necessary, call the parent(s) if the child could not be calmed down.

He personally escorts the bused students onto the bus. Kids are counted again. The car riders are supervised by aides and teachers. There are no children left on school premises unless they are involved in pre-planned after school activity or are children of teachers who work there. I am sure there are kids at his school who are also in ISS; the teachers are a close-knit bunch. They all know what is going on in one anothers' rooms, ESPECIALLY about kids with problems. Somer running off would classify her as one with a problem. Extra attention would be paid to her behavior and she would be monitored.

If she was routinely running off from the group, fighting with other kids, etc., the parents would have been notified. Suggestions would be made for parents to work on this behavior at home and teacher would be monitoring her at school. If there were frequent issues like her being picked on, fighting, etc, it would be documented by one or more of her teachers. A team conference may be held. Parents may be called in to discuss the problem and how it impacted her in school. A group conference with parent and teachers is a routine occurrence with issues like this.

There are NO children in the building even 2 minutes after school officially lets out. Classroom doors are closed and/or locked. Any teacher who allowed this to happen (without explained activity, etc., as stated above) would be reprimanded. Each and every child is counted and accounted for several times. This is the normal protocol for teachers and students according to strict guidelines in this county's school. I don't know if guidelines vary from County to County.


Once the child is off school property, that is another story. Hopefully the child has caring persons to follow up and make sure he/she is safe.

On the day this happened, Somer allegedly got into a fight with another child. I'm not clear if it happened at school or when out of school. If it happened at school she may have been held back while the teacher called (or tried to call) her parent as a cautionary measure. Certainly if she left late, the teacher would not let her go off all alone. Were the siblings waiting for her? She was with them for some period of time.

Just yesterday I was on the receptoinist desk as a fill-in when I got a call from a co-worker's son's high school. I paged the co-worker and had a difficult time finding her. The person at school held and held and said they would hold until the parent had been located. The reason turned out to be that the boy was sick, and the school wanted permission from the mother for him to be allowed to drive home. This explains exactly what I am talking about. This was in HIGH SCHOOL.

Noway
12-16-2009, 11:12 PM
Is he teacher at GPE? I understand not letting special education students walk ... but I don't catch the relevance of what you're saying. (To paraphrase Tara: I'm not smellin' what you're walkin' in!)


Somer running off would classify her as one with a problem. Extra attention would be paid to her behavior and she would be monitored.
Someone would have had to have told the teachers ... wonder if anyone did.

tarabull
12-16-2009, 11:14 PM
07/10/2009 Notice of Related Cases
07/10/2009 Certificate of Compliance


I wonder what this means. What are related cases?

Well there's still that open case with PC.....as in red bird before anyone says ~ huh~ ????

Would that be considered related case?

It reads:
Type/ Status:
URESA (??)
ReOpened - Modifications
Dated: 1/31/2008

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 11:15 PM
could that be "unresolved"?

Noway
12-16-2009, 11:16 PM
I think if ST is trying to get custody of all kids (and I think he is because he considers AC his), that would be accurate.

ETA: I think they would need to locate Paul C. and he'd have to give up his parental rights? Or at least temporarily if there is such a thing.

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 11:16 PM
maybe she was asking for more child support??

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 11:17 PM
I think if ST is trying to get custody of all kids (and I think he is because he considers AC his), that would be accurate.but the date is Jan 08?

txsvicki
12-16-2009, 11:18 PM
I just wonder if DT could have actually found her while searching, or AT? I hate to think this....but gosh....nothing makes sense to me.....please do not be upset with me for posting this....it is just a thought.....could have been furious with her, esp if she got a call from the school about a fight....if that even happened.....


I can't imagine the school not calling if Somer was caught hitting a child with a backpack on school grounds. I'm still a little confused about the classmate argument though. Is the girl Somer hit the same girl who she walked a bit with, then argued again before walking with her siblings?

tarabull
12-16-2009, 11:18 PM
I think if ST is trying to get custody of all kids (and I think he is because he considers AC his), that would be accurate.

ETA: I think they would need to locate Paul C. and he'd have to give up his parental rights? Or at least temporarily if there is such a thing.

a-ha! that might be it!!!!

you aren't just a pretty face eh Noway?

sorrell skye
12-16-2009, 11:19 PM
Well, someone completed the PDR - court records show a certificate of completion filed with the court on 6/10/2009.

trigger
12-16-2009, 11:19 PM
She could have passed over to the park without a guard.. I think and have been told by people in the park that vehicle traffic has increased alot since then. So at that time it might not have been a big deal. Also if she crossed to go over to grove park, the crossing guard is down further, he may not have seen her.

That could be..she could have crossed over to the park. Wasn't that the first place DT went after pickig up AT?

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 11:21 PM
What about the fact that her scent disappeared at Gano and Debarry IIRC?

LE did say that exhaust fumes could destroy it, but there would not be fumes on a shortcut.

Just picking people's brains here. It seems posters have such good answers to my questions. Luminol needs the dark to work. (My question about why dig at night at Gano) How could she be hiddenin a dumpster and not be seen (put stuff on top-duh.)

So how could her scent disappear? I'm going with a car picking her up.


Digging at Gano possibly because they had other evidence to indicate that this is where she was assaulted? To see if someone had buried something? (I am thinking a weapon) At night because there would be stalkers and gawkers and TV cameras during the day? Did a dog sniff something there that caused them to dig?

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 11:24 PM
BBM: Her scent disappeared at that location (we'll assume). Someone on a scooter or bicycle could have given her a ride possibly... maybe a car wasn't involved.

Theory Only


What about a motorcycle? They can get into places cars cannot. They have lots of exhaust, but then again, they are noisy. But with all of the noise and kids and traffic, nobody would necessarily notice. Is there any prospective perps we can think of who would be driving on a motorcycle?

tarabull
12-16-2009, 11:28 PM
I think someone would notice a motorcycle with a kid on the back....UNLESS it happened to be someone from the neighbourhood that people are used to seeing with a kid on the back.

camcneishg
12-16-2009, 11:30 PM
That could be..she could have crossed over to the park. Wasn't that the first place DT went after pickig up AT?I had always thought that DT picked up AT at the park...no? She said he was already there searching....no?

ChickenPants
12-16-2009, 11:31 PM
I think they said she ran ahead of them so it would be west down Gano. Noway has the map somewhere. The numbers went down. AT saw her 1100 Gano.

Noway wrote this in November and then at beginning of thread there is the map.

UPDATED MAP ON THREAD INCLUDES CROSSING GUARD AND BOY NEAR PROPANE TANKS

For reference ... bringing forward

Red = where siblings last saw her at Gano and Solomon

Blue = where CS (minor) last saw her at Gano and Grove Park Drive


Green = 1080 Gano


http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/89f440ee.jpg

Question: Where do you think she may have been running TO? When she ran off, she went to different places, according to people who reported her behavior. Was she just running around, running toward a familiar neighbor's house, running to a secret place...to climb a tree, to hide and watch until siblings were past her and she could come out, or was she running home? Maybe some people who knew where she ran before could add some insight. If we knew where she was headed, it might shed light on which route she took?