View Full Version : UT -Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 - #2
nursebeeme
12-14-2009, 10:12 PM
continue here:
thread one in this case: UT-Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
AmandaReckonwith's photobucket of the case: http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Susan%20Powell/
fran's post on what we have so far: UT-Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City - Page 30 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
passionflower
12-14-2009, 10:14 PM
First!
mushyb
12-14-2009, 10:15 PM
Thanks, the other thread was getting way to long :)
SusanB
12-14-2009, 10:19 PM
Hey, to continue from my post on the other thread, does anyone know if there is a life insurance policy?:twocents:
Texas Mist
12-14-2009, 10:32 PM
Hey, to continue from my post on the other thread, does anyone know if there is a life insurance policy?:twocents:
I found a Wells Fargo Employee Benefits pdf -- Basic Life insurance appears to be free -- coverage is $10K - $50K depending on salary...other Life Insurance is optional
https://www.wellsfargo.com/downloads/pdf/careers/EmployeeBenefitsSummary.pdf
Doesn't sound like a lot but Susan may have opted for add'l coverage - and they may also have credit life on the mortgage.
I've certainly read of murder for a lot less $$.
nursebeeme
12-14-2009, 10:34 PM
I have added Fran's case synopsis and amandareckonwith's photobucket to the first post for easy case reference. Thanks Fran and Amanda!
JennaLee
12-14-2009, 10:42 PM
Passion, I do not mean to discredit your theory about Josh planning the camping trip, but imo, there's not way in the hot place he planned that "camping trip" at all. It's the most unbelievable alibi ever, and if he had any common sense he would have know that people would be inquiring about the family on Monday when no one showed up to work or daycare.
I personally feel this was not premeditated, but done in the heat of the moment and I suspect the reason he didn't call into work or the boys daycare is because he was contemplating running, but decided not to at the last minute. Regarding the fans on the wet spot, initially he may have been planning to return in the early morning hours, but panicked, debating on what to do.
If it definitely was premeditated, then I think he planned to return before dawn but something went wrong somewhere or he panicked. Anyone with common sense would know that if no one in the family showed up anywhere without calling, people would be asking around.
But of course, it's not like he's shown a lot of common sense... So, um, yeah, your theory may not be that off after all. I guess I forgot who we're dealing with here.
Texas Mist
12-14-2009, 10:48 PM
Depending on what timeline we're going with, I think we need to add this 'hinky husband' factoid to fran's list:
Jennifer Graves, Josh's sister, called Susan's dad Monday to tell him Susan was missing -- Josh didn't call until Tuesday.
Charles Cox spoke with his son-in-law Joshua Powell by phone briefly Tuesday before Powell's second interview with police.
"He called and told me Susan was missing," Cox said during a phone interview from his home in Payallup, Wash. "He sounded tired and kind of down. He broke up just a little bit."
Cox already knew his 28-year-old daughter, who lives in West Valley City, had vanished because Josh Powell's sister, Jennifer Graves, called him Monday with the news.
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_13967860?source=most_viewed
SusanB
12-14-2009, 10:52 PM
I tend to agree that Josh did not premeditate this event. He did not seem to have a plan - sort of "winged it" as he went along, making up the crazy story about "camping" in the freezing cold in the middle of the night with two small kids, not knowing a better story at the time. But I'm sure he knows now that the story is such nonsense, so he's not talking any more (also now has a lawyer). IMO he just lost it and killed her, as was left to try the best he could to contrive a cover.:loser:
nursebeeme
12-14-2009, 11:04 PM
let us not forget this video interview with the friend who last saw her
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=9029772
(click on interview with powell neighbor)
highlights:
the woman was invited over by SUSAN to work on a crochet project
the two women ate dinner in the living room while working on their project while Josh and the children ate in the kitchen
Josh, per the woman, kept coming back in and talking to them throughout the time Susan was AWAKE.
Because shortly into the time working and eating with her friend she became so tired that she asked her friend if it was okay for her to go lay down on the bed as she was so tired!
after Susan lay down to rest her friend continued to work with 'the yarn' and Josh told the woman that he planned on taking the boys sledding.. but no plans were mentioned of camping... just sledding thus giving an alibi for him to be out of the home while Susan was lying down.
This same woman said that it wasn't until much, much, later that she heard of the camping trip.
nursebeeme
12-14-2009, 11:06 PM
after the interview with the friend I can see possible premeditation. moo
SusanB
12-14-2009, 11:10 PM
after the interview with the friend I can see possible premeditation. moo
Me too, it's a possibility he did premeditate, but maybe he's just not too bright about his cover story. Her body could be anywhere in the wilderness, may take quite awhile to find, if ever. :ouch:
nursebeeme
12-14-2009, 11:13 PM
now that he has lawyered up LE has had their last shot at him..... unless they have some forensics to do some dealing with. This is going to take WEEKS! MOO
SusanB
12-14-2009, 11:22 PM
Yea, but they (LE) will have some forensics and other credible information that I am sure has not been publicized, to build a case against him, and my gut feeling is that it will not take too long. They do not want him to flee, and now that he has a lawyer, there is no incentive for LE to hold back. I have not heard of any search parties going out looking for Susan (dead or alive) and that is curious to me, since she had no viable transportation, so either she was on foot, "had an abductor", or possibly went with them "camping." In either case, I would think people would be searching some areas.:cat:
lonetraveler
12-14-2009, 11:24 PM
I tend to agree that Josh did not premeditate this event. He did not seem to have a plan - sort of "winged it" as he went along, making up the crazy story about "camping" in the freezing cold in the middle of the night with two small kids, not knowing a better story at the time. But I'm sure he knows now that the story is such nonsense, so he's not talking any more (also now has a lawyer). IMO he just lost it and killed her, as was left to try the best he could to contrive a cover.:loser:
Doesn't take very long to premeditate murdering someone. Susan got extremely tired all of a sudden immediately after her husband prepared her dinner....kept coming into the livingroom, possibly to check up on how she was doing, to see if she was being affected by any of his "cooking" maybe. A lot of murderers screw up the disposal phase of the murder. Their diabolical planning doesn't go very far past the murdering phase and thus, "they wing it". Not very successfully, I might add. This is just my opinion at this stage, but if he had anything to do at all with his wife becoming "sick", then he did do some pre-planning, IMO.
Texas Mist
12-14-2009, 11:28 PM
I found some info on sledding safety - it says don't go sledding after dark or when visibility is low (like when it's snowing).
There's also other tips for safely sledding with children
www.indy.gov/eGov/City/DPR/PDF/generalsleddingsafetytips.prn.pdf
Heh - learn something new every day -- now all I need is a sled & lotsa snow, which is *very* wishful thinking for this TX girl. :)
SusanB
12-14-2009, 11:40 PM
Doesn't take very long to premeditate murdering someone. Susan got extremely tired all of a sudden immediately after her husband prepared her dinner....kept coming into the livingroom, possibly to check up on how she was doing, to see if she was being affected by any of his "cooking" maybe. A lot of murderers screw up the disposal phase of the murder. Their diabolical planning doesn't go very far past the murdering phase and thus, "they wing it". Not very successfully, I might add. This is just my opinion at this stage, but if he had anything to do at all with his wife becoming "sick", then he did do some pre-planning, IMO.
Yes, if he did drug her - and it sounds like that is a possibility, due to the fact that suddenly she felt sick right after dinner, yet was fine during the day, premeditation is involved. Hopefully, LE processed the house, including the kitchen, and might have some evidence regarding possibility of poisoning. Just a thought. I'm sure there is a lot of evidence LE has that the public does not know about (as it should be until a case is built).:o
Amster
12-14-2009, 11:42 PM
Does anyone know if Josh filed for bankruptcy in 2007?
Never mind...found it....he did
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_13977820?source=most_viewed
SusanB
12-14-2009, 11:46 PM
Does anyone know if Josh filed for bankruptcy in 2007?
He did file for bankruptcy, but I am not sure what year. What I am curious about is life insurance - I am sure she had some basic through her job, but wonder if there was more.:waitasec:
nursebeeme
12-15-2009, 12:07 AM
follow the yellow brick road..... ( yes I am currently from kansas) but follow the yellow brick road....
SuziQ
12-15-2009, 12:35 AM
Missing woman's husband is a no-show at 2nd police interview
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9029772
O/T Jason Young was arrested for murder....woot!
nursebeeme
12-15-2009, 12:42 AM
course he was a no show! especially now that he has a new buddy.
(expletive, expletive, expletive... bad words... shouting... cussing)
Good for you Josh. Hope this guy can save you a year or two in the sentencing phase.
Texas Mist
12-15-2009, 01:14 AM
Missing woman's husband is a no-show at 2nd police interview
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9029772
O/T Jason Young was arrested for murder....woot!
TY TY, SuziQ for the 411 on Jason !! :woohoo:
crocus
12-15-2009, 01:15 AM
Missing woman's husband is a no-show at 2nd police interview
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9029772
O/T Jason Young was arrested for murder....woot!
O M G!!!!!!!! WooHooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lovejac
12-15-2009, 01:46 AM
Missing woman's husband is a no-show at 2nd police interview
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9029772
O/T Jason Young was arrested for murder....woot!
:woohoo::woohoo:
Best news I've heard all day!
Dr.Fessel
12-15-2009, 01:48 AM
O M G!!!!!!!! WooHooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like the civil case helped the murder charge along, hope for the Stacy Peterson case.
GingerRed
12-15-2009, 01:54 AM
I just read an interesting comment on my local news site (Seattle area).
Someone suggested that he drugged her, drowning her later in the bathtub, carried her to the living room where he wrapped her up, thus leaving a wet spot. No blood, just harmless water.
That's actually **really** plausible given what we know so far.
Doesn't take very long to premeditate murdering someone. Susan got extremely tired all of a sudden immediately after her husband prepared her dinner....kept coming into the livingroom, possibly to check up on how she was doing, to see if she was being affected by any of his "cooking" maybe. A lot of murderers screw up the disposal phase of the murder. Their diabolical planning doesn't go very far past the murdering phase and thus, "they wing it". Not very successfully, I might add. This is just my opinion at this stage, but if he had anything to do at all with his wife becoming "sick", then he did do some pre-planning, IMO.
I must confess, that early on in this case, I was suspicious of Josh (the husband). After a number of cases here on WS, I sincerely try NOT to focus on the most likely supect, the husband, as I've seen cases where the "most likely suspect" ends up not being the perp, or it's left in question......HOWEVER!..........this case SCREAMED! "He did it!"
I've often times seen where WS'ers contimplated the 'alleged perp' poisoning the victim. GENERALLY I do NOT agree with that assessment. Even in this case, earlier, I did NOT agree, but remained mute.
HOWEVER, after further assessment of THIS CASE, I believe there IS a possibility he MAY HAVE poisoned the victim.
Sincerely, of all the cases I've observed here on WS, I've NEVER felt this way before. But,......................think about it,....................and IF it's true JOSH actually prepared the meal,....................Susan was in the OTHER ROOM with HER guest, and JOSH served them,................he kept coming in to talk to them,....................Susan suddenly feels tired??????????????.........
Just,
FWIW,
curious!
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........................
thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking...............,
fran
harleysnana
12-15-2009, 02:00 AM
Missing woman's husband is a no-show at 2nd police interview
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9029772
O/T Jason Young was arrested for murder....woot!
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo: FINALLY!
Missing woman's husband is a no-show at 2nd police interview
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9029772
O/T Jason Young was arrested for murder....woot!
OhMyGosh!
SuziQ! You have delivered the best news today!
I can hardley believe it!
Sorry Jason, you POS!
Bless Michelle!
OhMyGosh!
Thank you SuziQ
Maybe someone should let Josh know! I bet he'll be as thrilled as we are!.................or NOT! :mad:
fran
Melanie
12-15-2009, 02:08 AM
"He called and told me Susan was missing," Ol' Scott Peterson said the same thing to Laci's parents.
Did he check hospitals, friends? I understand the mormon community can be quite close (only an opinion, since I'm not Mormom).
Poor mom - She left behind two children and a husband, who says he doesn’t know what happened to her.
Josh Powell, who told police he left his wife and took his boys, ages 2 and 4, on a camping trip around midnight Dec. 6 in subfreezing temperatures.
Powell told police he slept in a van with the boys in Utah’s west desert. Police say he returned home Tuesday evening.
Police say they can’t confirm the husband’s account of taking a camping trip while his wife disappeared.
McLachlan said police questioning of the 4-year-old child wasn’t definitive. He declined to elaborate.
Susan Powell disappeared without taking her purse or cell phone or other items “that you would normally associate with somebody leaving the house,” he said.
All of these statement say to my heart that he killed her in the house and dumped her in the dessert. This could be the explanation of the stain and the fans.
I didn't rush to judgement on Laci's case -- but I must admit I am rushing to jusgement here. Please don't bash me for that ;)
Hugs, Mel
Oh, I FORGOT!
Josh, see, it doesn't matter how much you hide, they'll GET YOU anyway!
It's only a matter of time.
Feel that breathe on your neck? It's Lady Justice knocking on your door.
Your days as a 'free man' are numbered.
:mad:
fran
Melanie
12-15-2009, 02:14 AM
Missing woman's husband is a no-show at 2nd police interview
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9029772
O/T Jason Young was arrested for murder....woot!
ya had me there -- I had no idea who Jason Young was. I just hope they arrest Jason Powell very soon!
Mel
Gozgals
12-15-2009, 02:36 AM
I hate to concentrate on the likely suspect first too, but I feel Josh is responsible for this crime and it was premeditated. His story to LE just is laughable and I believe he is not very bright. I feel the body will be found soon, not like in some of the other cases we have studied. I'm not sure at this juncture if he did poison her. I am open to that suggestion and can make more of a decision as the facts come in.
Gozgals
Openmyeyes
12-15-2009, 03:16 AM
The poisoning theory is very, very plausible. Wonder if he had any hobbies, if LE took a computer, and if LE is asking to check any computers he worked on or with. Didn't they say at some point he was an IT person?
Also, the drowning aspect is compelling, especially with the water on the floor.
He still is somewhat of a nitwit and his story stinks, no matter how many times he tells it.
I really don't like the fact that it took him until Tuesday to call his FIL. What I found interesting is that the police met him at his home. He was not there (according to the latest link posted above) when the police went to the house and they were concerned about carbon monoxide poisoning, so they broke in. What did they find? Two fans running and trying to dry out a wet spot on the carpet. Memories of Laci Petersons kitchen comes to mind...a crumpled up rug by the doors, a wet mop and bucket outside the back door, an empty pizza box on the counter and THE TELEPHONE BOOK OPEN TO CRIMINAL LAWYERS. Perhaps, we can get so lucky again.
Wonder how JP found his mouth piece?
lemonmoussetart
12-15-2009, 04:29 AM
While we are all horrified that Josh has the benefit of the 5th amendment, and right to a, free high powered attorney. This makes for a long, long road...
Let us all know that the ride does lead to the truth. WE can speculate all we will, but LE has far more than they will ever be known. Enough, IMO, to lead all roads to JP. So much so that even his high profiled attorney will eventually bow out.
Beware: this case is going to take some time. Well, about enough time until attorney takes himself "off the case." Or until hunters/campers find her. She is out there/somewhere. Of that, according to husband's story and all other evidence. She is deceased. Much to our dismay. But, we as a collective, wish to bring him to the justice that we know belongs to him!!
In my heart I feel that this will come to a conclusion before that. Josh will either crack, or hunters/true campers will find her. And then, find the evidence to convict the only person in this case. Luv, Julie
lemonmoussetart
12-15-2009, 05:04 AM
Get ready for a long haul people now that he has a high powered attorney (even we in the east know who Wanda Barzee is)
He will give nothing (as advised by attorney/low-life/how do these people live with themselves), but whatever: nothing will come from his next contact with the Popo.
And this will go on, and on, and on....that is UNTIL someone actually finds her body. And I feel with all my heart that this will happen. (DH is too small to actually dig in freezing ground) I feel that this will happen sooner than later. Then, attorney will remove himself from the case. HA Am not really in with the 'stars', just know what I know, and can see with my/our own eyes.
lemonmoussetart
12-15-2009, 05:59 AM
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:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo: FINALLY!
Yep, Suzi he did not show for the 2nd interview. Now he has an "attorney"
Truthful Lies
12-15-2009, 07:29 AM
From previous thread!
I think now that Josh has a lawyer, things will change, and soon there will be an arrest - also, some of the forensic evidence should be back. He looks like a tortured soul, pale and dark circles under his eyes like he has not slept. His male pride was challenged with the pretty, successful wife, and he lost his mind. I am not sure if he truly planned this event all the way through-it does not appear as such, since he seemed to be creating the story as he was questioned. None of the story made much sense, it was totally off the cuff, and I think he realized how dumb the stories sounded, thus stopped talking.
I don't agree with him being threatened..I would think this is more of a control thing, than anything...please forgive me for saying so, but she isn't runway-model pretty...I don't think her looks factor into this. JMO.
sc2714
12-15-2009, 07:52 AM
Susan's father is going to be on the Today show in a few minutes.
nursebeeme
12-15-2009, 08:20 AM
I agree with Lemon... I bet we are in for the long haul.... As for Mister Young... what great news!
nursebeeme
12-15-2009, 08:28 AM
Joshua Powell, whose wife disappeared from their West Valley City home on Dec. 7, was called in for another interview with police Monday, but never showed up.
Police Capt. Tom McLachlan said he didn't know why Powell didn't show up for the interview. He has met with police twice since Susan Powell disappeared a week ago. McLachlan said the investigation is "moving slowly" but that Joshua Powell is not considered a suspect
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13998464
way to go Josh! Way to help find your wife!
Patty G
12-15-2009, 08:36 AM
Susan's father is going to be on the Today show in a few minutes.
The Today Show had technical difficulties so they were never able to interview Susan's father. I recorded what was aired and will post the video as soon as it is processed.
Lipin One
12-15-2009, 08:42 AM
I have not heard of any search parties going out looking for Susan (dead or alive) and that is curious to me, since she had no viable transportation, so either she was on foot, "had an abductor", or possibly went with them "camping." In either case, I would think people would be searching some areas.:cat:
Right on. The weather may be bad, but they ought to do something.
I've read in a few articles the phrase "we don't know where to look."
First time I hear such an excuse for not doing a search after a person has gone missing, be that an adult or a child.
I'm sure they can get enough volunteers if authorities publicly ask for them.
A friend of Josh and Susan's, (female) was on FOX news a while ago. She didn't offer anything new, but she did say something that is contradictory to what some others have stated.
She said Josh and Susan did take their boys camping a few times this summer and it wasn't unusual for them to do that. However, she said they didn't usually go in the winter and leaving in the middle of the night was unusual as well.
Now that we see Josh again is a 'no show' for an interview with LE, I would imagine he's slowly being placed into the 'uncooperartive' category.
Someone needs to tell Josh that being uncooperative in the investigation of the disappearance of his wife is no way to get people to stop talking about him as a POI.
JMHO
fran
Patty G
12-15-2009, 08:53 AM
December 15, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vm3gakeL3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7mbXusqUHI
LogicalMinds
12-15-2009, 08:58 AM
I don't see how they could possibly search all the mines, valleys etc in freezing weather...nor could average people endure that and they might get frostbite, get hurt
so I think it is totally impossible to do a "general search" when they don't know which way he went, where he "dumped" his wife :(
This is so ridiculous..this jerk can't even come up with a good story...but the fact is that he could have gone in any directions, hundreds of miles..so they just can't search everywhere
Skipping the 2nd interview?? just more proof
the wet spot on carpet...could have been blood...but maybe vomit? (if he had drugged her..>I think more likely drugged than poisoned....I wonder if they had any prescription meds or even an old prescription? sleeping/pain pills?)
another possibility (sorry if this is gross) is that during strangulation/ people will urinate/defecate...and he may have cleaned that up?
where is the "quilt" or bedspread??
This may be a circumstantial case or (hopefully) the family/church leaders or whatever they are can get this jerk to confess
My personal theory still is that this was a night of "crisis" for them...he was to start the "new job" the next day...how long was he out of work?? I think she was letting him know that she wanted a divorce..like "you have your new job, I want out"
The "financial problems" were NO surprise to me as I had said from the start I felt that would come up ...and it did...
Josh had a phoney real estate page, touting him as the next Donald Trump
and he had a ridiculous amateur "marketing page"....he wasn't very good at computers
I think he is a loser whose breadwinner wife was fed up, ready to buck the Mormon "good wife" stuff and leave him...and he flipped
These "domestic" cases are so sad, but so easy to spot
I also question the older woman "LaVonda" for the fact that she spoke to him on the phone but won't say what they talked about....that seems odd
No I don't think she is "in cahoots" with him...but she seems like an enabler
she is one of the people who had written up "flowery" praise of him on his ridiculous real estate website LOL
Patty G
12-15-2009, 09:02 AM
Looks like the Today Show is going to air Susan's father during the 9:00 AM ET airing of the show.
passionflower
12-15-2009, 09:39 AM
Last night all I could think of was the wild life out in the winter.
Are there mountain lions? wolves? bears?
I keep thinking of other cases.
nursebeeme
12-15-2009, 09:52 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/missing-mom-susan-powell-suspicion-grows-husband-lawyers/story?id=9336078
GMA article and video.
in the video neighbor saw LE take the computer out of the house along with lots of other stuff....
SuziQ
12-15-2009, 10:00 AM
I hope Susan's father listened to what Pat Brown said on the Today Show. I can't tell if her father is defending his SIL by design or he's in complete denial?
Missing woman's dad doubts son-in-law hurt her
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9038562
SuziQ
12-15-2009, 10:06 AM
Last night all I could think of was the wild life out in the winter.
Are there mountain lions? wolves? bears?
I keep thinking of other cases.
Mountain lions probably. Have no Idea on the bears. I don't think there are wolves. But there are coyotes, foxes and badgers. And all kinds of very large birds. That makes me think of something. I hope LE has someone looking out for birds circling.
Patty G
12-15-2009, 10:08 AM
December 15, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vm3gakeL3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7mbXusqUHI
Bumping up as I added Susan's father's interview.
passionflower
12-15-2009, 10:09 AM
Mountain lions probably. Have no Idea on the bears. I don't think there are wolves. But there are coyotes, foxes and badgers. And all kinds of very large birds. That makes me think of something. I hope LE has someone looking out for birds circling.
Exactly what I would be looking for........they have keen eyesight and smell.
Any bird watchers there???
SuziQ
12-15-2009, 10:12 AM
Exactly what I would be looking for........they have keen eyesight and smell.
Any bird watchers there???
I think so?
gliving
12-15-2009, 10:17 AM
If the wet spot on the carpet is urine, I hope they test it for drugs.
Could someone please fill me in on Josh's employment history? I read he was to start a new job on Monday. I wonder if that really was the case.
passionflower
12-15-2009, 10:17 AM
I see lots of pain in dad Cox face.......
he has only been able to talk on PHONE with his grandsons???
At a time like that I would think JP would want ALL family together!
Another WOW moment!
FIL sticks up for you, yet you won't talk to him? see him? or have your kids with him?
That speaks GUILT to me!!!
passionflower
12-15-2009, 10:19 AM
on video it said the fans were ON..........
some people had wondered if he left them ON, yep he DID!
Amster
12-15-2009, 10:23 AM
That Today Show report says the mother-in-law reported Susan missing. Wasn't it the babysitter or sister in law who reported? Also....the dinner guest....why would Josh answer her call to his cell? I can imagine that numerous people, including LE, were trying to call him for hours. Why did he answer her call? IMO, there is more to the story about why she was at the house for dinner and sewing...knitting...whatever.
Tricia
12-15-2009, 10:24 AM
Bumping up as I added Susan's father's interview.
OT but it needs to be said, Thank you Patty for your hard work and getting the videos up for us. It is a tremendous help when we are sleuthing :)
Back on topic. You know the police are on him like white on rice. Following his movements and listening in on phone calls.
Guessing that Susan's dad doesn't want to alienate his SIN which is why won't say what he is really thinking.
Amster
12-15-2009, 10:25 AM
Susans brother is going to be on Fox News after the commercial! Have we heard from him before?
pghbrandi
12-15-2009, 10:28 AM
By no means am I sticking up for Josh with what I am about to type. I think, in my opinion, he is guilty, guilty, guilty.
I just don't find it that odd he kept checking on her while she was eating. Didn't someone say that if Susan was at their house, Josh would soon follow? Maybe he just didn't like being out of the loop of conversation or worried she was talking about him.
Amster
12-15-2009, 10:32 AM
Kirk Graves says not unheard of for Josh to go camping....ugh....couple had problems but things getting better. His wife and Susan are close. Oh! He's the brother-in-law....stupid FOX! We've heard from this guy already!! Susan might have gone for a walk!!! He's acting as the spokesperson for the family.....he knows nothing....
I hope Susan's father listened to what Pat Brown said on the Today Show. I can't tell if her father is defending his SIL by design or he's in complete denial?
Missing woman's dad doubts son-in-law hurt her
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9038562
I would imagine it's a little of both SuziQ.
To suspect the husband is to admit his daughter is no longer alive. That's the worst case scenario. As long as she's just missing, there's still a chance she can walk back in the door.
Remember how Sharon supported Scott for so many weeks? When she realized he'd been having an affair, she KNEW Laci was dead and she fell apart. She layed in bed for a week and no one could console her. They had the detectives over talking to her, even the LE chaplin......then she was able to deal with it, but still, the day they went to tell her the bodies in the Bay had been identified, or was it they'd found the bodies? Anyway, she saw the detectives walk up to the door and she wouldn't answer their knock. They finally had to go around back to get her to talk to them.
No..............I believe he KNOWS, he just doesn't want to admit it. PLUS, he wants to find Susan. One way or the other, he wants her home. :(
JMHO
fran
dreamweaver
12-15-2009, 10:46 AM
Fox news Greta Van Sustern 12/14/9 :
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,580241,00.html
Also, this morning, Fox news had a clip of reporter asking Josh questions.
Can't find it. Yet.
JennaLee
12-15-2009, 10:48 AM
Regarding Josh starting a new job, I'm not sure if that's true or if that's rumor. I know someone has been commenting on various news stories claiming he currently works with Josh and has for some time.
SusanB
12-15-2009, 10:50 AM
I would imagine it's a little of both SuziQ.
To suspect the husband is to admit his daughter is no longer alive. That's the worst case scenario. As long as she's just missing, there's still a chance she can walk back in the door.
Remember how Sharon supported Scott for so many weeks? When she realized he'd been having an affair, she KNEW Laci was dead and she fell apart. She layed in bed for a week and no one could console her. They had the detectives over talking to her, even the LE chaplin......then she was able to deal with it, but still, the day they went to tell her the bodies in the Bay had been identified, or was it they'd found the bodies? Anyway, she saw the detectives walk up to the door and she wouldn't answer their knock. They finally had to go around back to get her to talk to them.
No..............I believe he KNOWS, he just doesn't want to admit it. PLUS, he wants to find Susan. One way or the other, he wants her home. :(
JMHO
fran
I agree, its a little of both. LE would want Susan's dad to continue to support the knowledge that she is a missing person rather than dead, to keep Josh from thinking that he is the POI - to prevent him from fleeing or doing something else outrageous (like taking off w/ the children, suicide, homicide) before the arrest can be effected.
SuziQ
12-15-2009, 10:53 AM
Kirk Graves says not unheard of for Josh to go camping....ugh....couple had problems but things getting better. His wife and Susan are close. Oh! He's the brother-in-law....stupid FOX! We've heard from this guy already!! Susan might have gone for a walk!!! He's acting as the spokesperson for the family.....he knows nothing....
I love how the perps defenders always twist the truth a bit. No one is doubting that Josh goes camping. Most likely I camp more than he does, but not in the dead of winter! What they are doubting is him camping with his two little boys, after midnight, in a snowstorm, in sub freezing temps.
Graves has been grating on my nerves since he did that silly presser with Josh standing next to him like a department store dummy. Graves said he wanted to put the speculation to rest, but offered up nothing to accomplish that. We were expected to do that cause he said so. Then threatened to end the presser when the media started asking logical questions.
Yeah I'm not liking this guy. I think I get a glimpse into what that blog was referring to regarding the horrible in-laws.
passionflower
12-15-2009, 10:56 AM
OT but it needs to be said, Thank you Patty for your hard work and getting the videos up for us. It is a tremendous help when we are sleuthing :)
Back on topic. You know the police are on him like white on rice. Following his movements and listening in on phone calls.
Guessing that Susan's dad doesn't want to alienate his SIN which is why won't say what he is really thinking.
my guess......FIL wants the grandsons!!! smart guy!
nursebeeme
12-15-2009, 11:02 AM
I love how the perps defenders always twist the truth a bit. No one is doubting that Josh goes camping. Most likely I camp more than he does, but not in the dead of winter! What they are doubting is him camping with his two little boys, after midnight, in a snowstorm, in sub freezing temps.
Graves has been grating on my nerves since he did that silly presser with Josh standing next to him like a department store dummy. Graves said he wanted to put the speculation to rest, but offered up nothing to accomplish that. We were expected to do that cause he said so. Then threatened to end the presser when the media started asking logical questions.
Yeah I'm not liking this guy. I think I get a glimpse into what that blog was referring to regarding the horrible in-laws.
ITA with everything you said, Q! Graves gives me nausea. :sick: Also this graves guy... would he be Josh's sister's husband???? Most obviously this CANNOT be Susan's brother!~ I wonder why we have not heard from Susan's Sister in the media? That would be one telling interview if it happens
AmandaReckonwith
12-15-2009, 11:15 AM
ITA with everything you said, Q! Graves gives me nausea. :sick: Also this graves guy... would he be Josh's sister's husband???? Most obviously this CANNOT be Susan's brother!~ I wonder why we have not heard from Susan's Sister in the media? That would be one telling interview if it happens
Kirk Graves is married to Jennifer Powell Graves, Josh' sister.
They both have a Facebook page.
From upthread (forgot who asked)...
Susan's sitter/Nanny Debbie got worried when the boys didn't show up for daycare and started calling. When she got no answer from Susan or Josh, she started to call the emergency contact... which by locality would be Josh' family. They reported the family missing.
At that point, they were all afraid the family was overcome by carbon monoxide.
Police broke the window, and the rest is reported.
nosylla
12-15-2009, 11:17 AM
Pretty far drive in 10 degree weather with blowing snow to test a generator with two very tired and very young boys. If you zoom in on the terrain.. wow. That's a crazy story. No way. I have been to Utah and that desert area is so vast. Also there are springs that this place he claims he went to. Water may be where she may have been disposed of.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=6245+Sarah+Cir,+West+Valley+City,+UT+84128&daddr=Simpson+Springs&hl=en&geocode=FQTRbAIdwGdS-SkxFWGWXY1ShzGBufqnCRHCgw%3BFcHlYgIdaRJH-SkJxxtP7LCygDF6MWmId2qPVQ&gl=us&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=40.360802,-112.411352&sspn=1.008742,2.425232&ie=UTF8&ll=40.390489,-112.478027&spn=1.008303,2.425232&t=h&z=9
Lipin One
12-15-2009, 11:19 AM
If the wet spot on the carpet is urine, I hope they test it for drugs.
Vomit stain/smell could hint of a need for medical care, but not for emergency care.
The same goes for urine, and other similar bodily fluid stains/smells... except for blood.
Blood could be the one thing that would hint of an accident serious enough to need immediate hospital attention.
This based on the statement quoted on news reports of someone thinking the stain made some believe there had been an accident serious enough to seek medical assistance.
JMO
passionflower
12-15-2009, 11:26 AM
Vomit stain/smell could hint of a need for medical care, but not for emergency care.
The same goes for urine, and other similar bodily fluid stains/smells... except for blood.
Blood could be the one thing that would hint of an accident serious enough to need immediate hospital attention.
This based on the statement quoted on news reports of someone thinking the stain made some believe there had been an accident serious enough to seek medical assistance.
JMO
BBM Fran is this on your list???
Where is Fran's list???
passionflower
12-15-2009, 11:34 AM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - UT-Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City
I still feel this way, brought over from thread 1
passionflower
12-15-2009, 11:34 AM
FRAN's List
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - UT-Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City
can we add..........doesn't tell wife only guest about going sledding.......
wet spot in livingroom happened after guest left......
grandad Cox has only talked to grandsons on phone
any more add ons???
Texas Mist
12-15-2009, 11:41 AM
FRAN's List
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - UT-Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4562189&postcount=743)
can we add..........doesn't tell wife only guest about going sledding.......
wet spot in livingroom happened after guest left......
grandad Cox has only talked to grandsons on phone
any more add ons???
yepperz -- this one
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - UT-Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City; thread # 2
and the fact that he was a no-show for his interview w/ LE yesterday -- it's been a friggin' *week* since Susan disappeared & he won't talk to LE-- apparently with or w/o an atty!!!
DomCasual
12-15-2009, 11:45 AM
I think what people here have said about her father wanting to stay in the good graces of Josh is right. It makes me sick, but Josh, at least for now, holds the power to take two more people from Mr. Cox. If Josh decides his FIL shouldn't see the kids, that's his prerogative.
There's just no way an intelligent person, at this point, couldn't strongly suspect Josh to be responsible for all of this. But this poor man has to kiss Josh's butt, or he could lose much more than his daughter.
There was a case here last year - SuziQ will know of it - where the husband gunned down his wife, on her birthday, in front of her mother, in a church parking lot. Initially, the murderer's sister was all over the news, claiming her brother did it because he was on meds - meds prescribed by a doctor the deceased wife forced the murderer to see. In other words, at the end of the day, it was the victim's fault she was killed. DUH! Why wasn't that just, like, so clear, and stuff? Anyway, she and her other siblings were trying to get custody of the murderer's sons - they even went as far as kidnapping them from the maternal grandparents (they refused to return them after a visit); and the murdering husband took a plea and is currently about three miles from me, hopefully enjoying the fruits of male prison sex. In that case, the maternal grandparents ended up with permanent custody of the little children. I only hope this eventually follows the same path.
passionflower
12-15-2009, 11:47 AM
FRAN
after eating dinner (Josh prepared) wife gets sleepy and goes to bed while her friend is there still working on crochet project. 5pm Utah time
Dal Gal
12-15-2009, 12:02 PM
A new article about the Today Show story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34428565/ns/today-today_people/
Regarding his daughter’s marriage, Cox told Morales: “I knew they had their ups and downs. It’s my knowledge everything was going well.” He said he’s spoken to his grandchildren, but does not know if they’re staying with their father or with another relative.
BBM. How sad!!!!
passionflower
12-15-2009, 12:10 PM
Has any body language experts said anything about how Josh acts?
Head down, eyes? body movements?
I heard a profiler lady on Today show......points right at Josh.
nursebeeme
12-15-2009, 12:11 PM
I linked fran's list in post one of this thread (just wanted to let you guys know)
Priester
12-15-2009, 12:11 PM
That Pat Brown on The Today Show is really a straight talker. I know that there is an ongoing criminal investigation, but all the pussy-footing around that you usually see in the coverage makes me sick. I just hope it doesn't take 3 years to arrest this scum bag, the way it did in the Michelle Young case.
I want to make one important point, just because there is no legal record of prior domestic abuse does not mean that there was no violence in the home prior to the murder.
nursebeeme
12-15-2009, 12:14 PM
Joshua Powell, whose wife disappeared from their West Valley City home more than a week ago, is now refusing investigators' request for another interview, police confirmed Tuesday.
"He has refused to come in for additional questioning. I guess his attorney has advised him against it," West Valley City police Capt. Tom McLachlan said. "This is very disappointing to us and it is not helpful for this missing person investigation at all.
"We will attempt to negotiate through his attorney for another interview, but for now there are no plans for one," he added
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14000824
hellolisakitty
12-15-2009, 12:14 PM
Way to help find your wife.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14000824
"Joshua Powell, whose wife disappeared from their West Valley City home more than a week ago, is now refusing investigators' request for another interview, police confirmed Tuesday."
SailorMoon
12-15-2009, 12:20 PM
I hope this isn't like poor Lisa Steibic, never found. At least her husband had a semi-better story, come on Powell.......you could have done a lot better.
LaLaw2000
12-15-2009, 12:20 PM
I'm sorry, but I simply could not take the stance that Mr. Cox is taking. I guess I just cannot understand. I am just an out with it person. If I thought my son-in-law murdered my daughter and dumped her in absolutely frigid weather, I would be talking to him. I would be telling him to think of his children and just tell the truth. Oh, I know it would not do any good, but I just could not hold it in.
Mr. Cox is a very nice man and my heart absolutely goes out to he and Susan's mother. He seems to be a very humble and good man. Maybe he really is like Mrs. Rocha and simply cannot bear to think Josh has done this, but it seems so obvious to me (and a lot of other people). Mr. Cox has to do whatever he has to do to cope with this tragedy.
I can certainly see the scenario of drugging Susan with sleeping pills and placing her in the bath tub to drown. Or just overdosing her and dumping her before she was dead.
I have seen this type of guy before from having worked with inmates. Josh has this sullen, 'gotta have my way' look about him. He wants to look so stricken, but cannot quite pull it off. He cannot fake real feelings because he has none, IMO.
As NG likes to say: Premeditation can happen in a moment. I think Josh decided to kill Susan that day and just had not fully worked out his plan. LE will get him, tho. May take some time, but Josh is going down for this.
JMO
nosylla
12-15-2009, 12:21 PM
A new article about the Today Show story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34428565/ns/today-today_people/
Regarding his daughter’s marriage, Cox told Morales: “I knew they had their ups and downs. It’s my knowledge everything was going well.” He said he’s spoken to his grandchildren, but does not know if they’re staying with their father or with another relative.
BBM. How sad!!!!
Seems like controlling family and maybe some guilty feelings and keeping him at a distance so he won't talk to the kids alone and be an influence. JMO. Very disturbing. Seem like very unwelcoming family JP has. To not support her father or comfort him in any way. Wow - that is terrible.
gliving
12-15-2009, 12:32 PM
Vomit stain/smell could hint of a need for medical care, but not for emergency care.
The same goes for urine, and other similar bodily fluid stains/smells... except for blood.
Blood could be the one thing that would hint of an accident serious enough to need immediate hospital attention.
This based on the statement quoted on news reports of someone thinking the stain made some believe there had been an accident serious enough to seek medical assistance.
JMO
I agree. Walking into a home where there is typical activity, one probably wouldn't even think twice about a large wet spot as accidents happen in family life with small children. However with Susan missing, any little thing would draw notice. Knowing she was home alone, would they assume 911 or a friend was called to assist? How did she get medical attention?
TMI: with an adult female living in the home, even a blood stain can have a reason. What about a large fecal stain? Both would give pause.
LaLaw2000
12-15-2009, 12:33 PM
Geeze! What just happened here? Duplicate posts!
hellolisakitty
12-15-2009, 12:35 PM
Geeze! What just happened here? Duplicate posts!
No idea... I think mine posted 4 -5 times... just cleaned it up.
nosylla
12-15-2009, 12:42 PM
happened to me too. Had to go back and delete. Maybe a lot of people checking the posts out - slowing process down. LE reads through all these I imagine. JMO
SuziQ
12-15-2009, 12:45 PM
DomCasual, I do know who you are referring to. The Ragsdale family. I thought of them first as well! A bunch of nuts they are! It makes me so angry to see victims parents get yanked around like this.
SleuthyMama
12-15-2009, 12:48 PM
let us not forget this video interview with the friend who last saw her
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=9029772
(click on interview with powell neighbor)
highlights:
the woman was invited over by SUSAN to work on a crochet project
the two women ate dinner in the living room while working on their project while Josh and the children ate in the kitchen
Josh, per the woman, kept coming back in and talking to them throughout the time Susan was AWAKE.
Because shortly into the time working and eating with her friend she became so tired that she asked her friend if it was okay for her to go lay down on the bed as she was so tired!
after Susan lay down to rest her friend continued to work with 'the yarn' and Josh told the woman that he planned on taking the boys sledding.. but no plans were mentioned of camping... just sledding thus giving an alibi for him to be out of the home while Susan was lying down.
This same woman said that it wasn't until much, much, later that she heard of the camping trip.
Here's my interpretation of the above. Josh laces Susan's food with something, either something to sedate her or kill her. Then he keeps coming in to check on her and the dinner guest because he's watching for the reaction to the drug(s) to begin AND maybe he's also looking to see if Susan is going to admit any kind of marriage problems to this friend.
Then, Susan says she has to go lay down because she's so tired. Now, because he wants the dinner guest to get out of the house before Susan dies, he tells her he's taking the kids sledding. I think he just threw that out on the fly to get this woman up and out of his house before the deed was done.
The "camping trip" developed when he had to get rid of the body.
hellolisakitty
12-15-2009, 01:01 PM
No kidding!
"Police: Missing Utah mom's husband hinders search"
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jE-50f71E8ypwigW42nKuDx27hxAD9CJSG300
"West Valley City Police Capt. Tom McLachlan says Josh Powell didn't show up for an interview Monday on the advice of his attorney. McLachlan says that's costing authorities valuable time in the effort to find Powell's wife, Susan."
JennaLee
12-15-2009, 01:10 PM
Snipped and bold added by me.
No kidding!
""West Valley City Police Capt. Tom McLachlan says [B]Josh Powell didn't show up for an interview Monday on the advice of his attorney. McLachlan says that's costing authorities valuable time in the effort to find Powell's wife, Susan."
Yeah, blame the attorney now. Who was to blame the first time you stood them up?
JennaLee
12-15-2009, 01:19 PM
Has any body language experts said anything about how Josh acts?
Head down, eyes? body movements?
I heard a profiler lady on Today show......points right at Josh.
Passion, I've been looking for something like this besides the Today show thing and can't find anything. There are definitely experts out there who have the ability to analyze his movements during his two crappy interviews and offer their opinion. I hope one of them at least blogs about it sometime soon.
I thought of suggesting something to Mark McCLish as I've read a lot of his stuff in the past and he's pretty decent. It's not foolproof, nothing is, but still good info. http://www.statementanalysis.com/
However in this case, he only uttered a few sentences, so I think it would be the body language that's most telling, so someone who specializes in Kinesics would be perfect. I remember someone analyzed one of Scott Peterson's interview and it was really interesting.
Melanie
12-15-2009, 01:20 PM
Right on. The weather may be bad, but they ought to do something.
I've read in a few articles the phrase "we don't know where to look."
First time I hear such an excuse for not doing a search after a person has gone missing, be that an adult or a child.
I'm sure they can get enough volunteers if authorities publicly ask for them.
OMG - they didn't know where to look for Danielle Van Dam either. She wasn't in the desert, but instead by a tree in Escondio. LE needs to set up massive search groups to find this young lady. I think she's closer to home to throw LE off track.
MOO
Mel
gliving
12-15-2009, 01:35 PM
LE can do forensics on the van and tires to see if the dirt, etc matches the alleged camping spot. Other than that, I guess the cell phone pings will give clues. They could trace him if he used a debit/credit card. If they did have money problems, he probably didn't have much cash on him. I wonder if he remembered to reset the trip meter in the van. We reset ours whenever we gas up.
JennaLee
12-15-2009, 01:37 PM
Mel, I agree she needs to be found, but wow, the massive search effort it would take is so overwhelming. I believe someone hear stated that per the info he gave, (Perhaps not reliable) Josh was gone for 17 hours, minimum. That would mean he could have driven as far as 8 hours in any direction and dumped the body somewhere. Until the police can at least get an idea of a direction, I don't know where they'd even start.
Although I think I highly doubt she's south or anywhere near the Pony Express Trails. Unless he's really stupid and wanted to lead them right to her so he really did stash her in the same area he went "camping."
And I completely agree, she sure could be closer to home. Horrible thought, but I wonder how far a person can carry a body in freezing cold and not tire to the point of being unable to continue. He could have parked in a remote area a couple hours away, sedated the kids, left them sleeping in the van, then carried her out as far as he possibly could to conceal her in an old mine or something. If he took several breaks and was dressed warmly enough, I could conceive him taking her quite a ways out from any roads. I SO hope they can get a cell ping or something that will at least give them some idea of which way to start.
hellolisakitty
12-15-2009, 01:44 PM
Mel, I agree she needs to be found, but wow, the massive search effort it would take is so overwhelming. I believe someone hear stated that per the info he gave, (Perhaps not reliable) Josh was gone for 17 hours, minimum. That would mean he could have driven as far as 8 hours in any direction and dumped the body somewhere. Until the police can at least get an idea of a direction, I don't know where they'd even start.
Although I think I highly doubt she's south or anywhere near the Pony Express Trails. Unless he's really stupid and wanted to lead them right to her so he really did stash her in the same area he went "camping."
And I completely agree, she sure could be closer to home. Horrible thought, but I wonder how far a person can carry a body in freezing cold and not tire to the point of being unable to continue. He could have parked in a remote area a couple hours away, sedated the kids, left them sleeping in the van, then carried her out as far as he possibly could to conceal her in an old mine or something. If he took several breaks and was dressed warmly enough, I could conceive him taking her quite a ways out from any roads. I SO hope they can get a cell ping or something that will at least give them some idea of which way to start.
In that amount of time he also could have easily crossed the state line to Idaho, Wyoming or Nevada. Those are day trips some Salt Lakers make quite often. Being that he said he 'went down south' AND Pony Express (which is west)... god knows where he really went.
mysticrose
12-15-2009, 01:46 PM
I am so beside myself as I just check the news for Susan..husbands clamming up, wont talk to police ! Surprised no, PO'ed yes. What a POS.
I certainly hope that LE has something...this whole he is not a suspect, we don't have anything, don't know where to look is making me extremely ill....
Susan where are you ? Haunt your husband every night until he can't take it anymore....
mysticrose
12-15-2009, 01:50 PM
I think he went south...the reason is because he did not mean to say that and changed it as soon as he realized what he was saying in the interview...I certainly hope this is not going to be another one of those cases that just goes cold....
I hope they can find her soon, and I am hoping because it has been so cold that her body will hold on to more evidence for them to test and find out what happened to her.
mysticrose
12-15-2009, 01:55 PM
Sorry if this was posted already:
Susan Powell's Father on Son-in-Law: 'I Don't Know What to Think'
Joshua Powell, Husband of Missing Mom Susan Powell, Skipped Police Interview, Hired Lawyer
By LISA FLETCHER, SARAH NETTER and LEE FERRAN
Dec. 15, 2009
"It kind of raises a red flag, but I know he has to protect himself," neighbor Wendy Trujillo told "Good Morning America." "We're just really worried about Susan, and, of course, everyone's thinking the worst and just hoping by the faith of God that she does come back."
Trujillo told ABC News that police and forensic units have been at the Powell home nearly every day since Susan Powell was reported missing. They've removed several bags and boxes as well as one of the family's computers. Joshua Powell and the couple's sons, she said, have not been staying at the house
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/missing-mom-susan-powell-suspicion-grows-husband-lawyers/story?id=9336078
JennaLee
12-15-2009, 01:58 PM
Snipped & bold added by me.
I think he went south...the reason is because he did not mean to say that and changed it as soon as he realized what he was saying in the interview...
Hey, great thinking!! He did say south then kind of stumble to the Pony Express thing. The Pony Express Trails appear to be Southwest. So after he said "south" he could have been thinking, "oh dang!" and diverted to the Pony Express Trails cause they are kind of south and wouldn't make him sound like a complete and total liar. In that sentence anyway.
Mendara
12-15-2009, 02:06 PM
[QUOTE=JennaLee;4566093]Mel, I agree she needs to be found, but wow, the massive search effort it would take is so overwhelming. I believe someone hear stated that per the info he gave, (Perhaps not reliable) Josh was gone for 17 hours, minimum. That would mean he could have driven as far as 8 hours in any direction and dumped the body somewhere. Until the police can at least get an idea of a direction, I don't know where they'd even start./QUOTE]
Snipped and bolded by me. I have a 22 month old. There is no way I can drive for 17 hours without stopping to feed and change him or give him some stretching time. HE MUST have stopped and must have been seen - or someone watched these kids for him. Or he didn't go very far, it just took him longer to get rid of her and he was taking his time and rethinking his plans.
Also as per the friend who came over to crotchet - what kind of friend stays at the home after she is told by the host she is tired and is going to lie down?
I for one would never just hang out with my friend's husband while my friend is sick and or tired. I would leave.
JennaLee
12-15-2009, 02:16 PM
I'm snipping and bolding again.
Also as per the friend who came over to crotchet - what kind of friend stays at the home after she is told by the host she is tired and is going to lie down? I for one would never just hang out with my friend's husband while my friend is sick and or tired. I would leave.
I believe the friend was there to work on a crochet project. If it was something elaborate needing done by Christmas I could see her continuing to work on it after Susan went to lay down. Maybe Susan insisted she not leave right then, being kind and not wanting to make her feel unwelcome.
For me personally, I would have to be really close to that person to feel comfortable doing anything in her home without her right there. I don't think this guest was super tight with Susan, but I also don't suspect her of anything. She's an older woman so it probably didn't feel too inappropriate to be staying and talking with Josh.
But um, yeah, I definitely feel you on this one. If it was me, I wouldn't have stayed either.
gliving
12-15-2009, 02:25 PM
Mendara, I wondered about the crochet lady too. Was she a church friend who also counseled younger members with marital problems? Susan invites her over, using crochet as an excuse and then feigns a headache so the friend can have a moment alone with Josh to speak about his controlling ways. That may have triggered Josh. Just a thought.
How long do crochet lessons take? Whenever I was having trouble with a pattern, just a few minutes with a pro helped. It doesn't take long does it? It's been awhile since I crocheted.
Dal Gal
12-15-2009, 02:43 PM
Mendara, I wondered about the crochet lady too. Was she a church friend who also counseled younger members with marital problems? Susan invites her over, using crochet as an excuse and then feigns a headache so the friend can have a moment alone with Josh to speak about his controlling ways. That may have triggered Josh. Just a thought.
How long do crochet lessons take? Whenever I was having trouble with a pattern, just a few minutes with a pro helped. It doesn't take long does it? It's been awhile since I crocheted.
I don't have the correct link handy, but I could swear Owings said that she was helping Susan untangle a mess of yarn. That would warrant staying after Susan went to bed: "Oh don't worry yourself, dear, I'll get this finished so you can work on your project when you're feeling better."
MysteryAddict
12-15-2009, 02:52 PM
Mendara, I wondered about the crochet lady too. Was she a church friend who also counseled younger members with marital problems? Susan invites her over, using crochet as an excuse and then feigns a headache so the friend can have a moment alone with Josh to speak about his controlling ways. That may have triggered Josh. Just a thought.
How long do crochet lessons take? Whenever I was having trouble with a pattern, just a few minutes with a pro helped. It doesn't take long does it? It's been awhile since I crocheted.
I am also still very confused over the "dinner guest". Why did Susan really
invite this 54 yr. old neighbor over to sit in the living room with her to-
eat and crochet??
As I remember crocheting takes both hands. How the heck do you untangle
yarn, crochet and eat dinner at the same time??
There is something odd about this whole story.
Vegas Bride
12-15-2009, 02:53 PM
Mel, I agree she needs to be found, but wow, the massive search effort it would take is so overwhelming. I believe someone hear stated that per the info he gave, (Perhaps not reliable) Josh was gone for 17 hours, minimum. That would mean he could have driven as far as 8 hours in any direction and dumped the body somewhere. Until the police can at least get an idea of a direction, I don't know where they'd even start.
Although I think I highly doubt she's south or anywhere near the Pony Express Trails. Unless he's really stupid and wanted to lead them right to her so he really did stash her in the same area he went "camping."
And I completely agree, she sure could be closer to home. Horrible thought, but I wonder how far a person can carry a body in freezing cold and not tire to the point of being unable to continue. He could have parked in a remote area a couple hours away, sedated the kids, left them sleeping in the van, then carried her out as far as he possibly could to conceal her in an old mine or something. If he took several breaks and was dressed warmly enough, I could conceive him taking her quite a ways out from any roads. I SO hope they can get a cell ping or something that will at least give them some idea of which way to start.
He really wouldn't have to carry her at all, with all the snow he could just put her on a sled and pull her. He did say earlier he was taking the kids sledding.
I keep hoping Susan will be found. She did not deserve this!
I'm also hoping cell phone pings can give clues but it's so well known now how they can be used that most people would have it shut off.
VB
passionflower
12-15-2009, 02:59 PM
Searching would be hard, I agree, but ask everyone to watch wildlife behaviors.......such as big birds circling............ben known to help find victims.
I'm sure vulchers, eagles, hawks are in UTAH ???
Watch the skies out there!
nosylla
12-15-2009, 03:03 PM
I don't have the correct link handy, but I could swear Owings said that she was helping Susan untangle a mess of yarn. That would warrant staying after Susan went to bed: "Oh don't worry yourself, dear, I'll get this finished so you can work on your project when you're feeling better."
Forensics hopefully looked for her hair anywhere that she last was, in home or at the neighbors that had dinner with them...and the "yarn lady's" place. Hair folical testing shows and drug that has been in the body for up to out as long as 4 months. I have alwasy thought the drugging idea. Due to her getting sleepy. That is not normal for an active young gal, to just have to all of a sudden feel the need to go lay down.
pghbrandi
12-15-2009, 03:08 PM
Maybe she was pregnant and that is why she was tired and sick. Maybe that set Josh off. I don't know. Just a thought.
smart blonde
12-15-2009, 03:18 PM
I understand the possibility he may have driven up to 8 hours in any direction...
but, how nerve-racking would that be? Driving for so many hours with a dead body in the car? Especially given that he also had their two young children in the car.
I think he would be paranoid about being pulled over by the highway patrol.
I think it may be more likely he disposed of her body within an hour radius of their home. Someplace remote, yet familiar to him.
(but, then again, I've never driven around with a dead body in my car, so my experience is obviously limited).
theforgotten
12-15-2009, 03:22 PM
It has taken me a day to read through all the posts on Susan's case. This is so sad. If feel terrible for her sons. I just don't understand these husbands. Isn't it easer to get a divorce, then to kill your spouse and spend the rest of your life in prison. To be honest, I really think that Josh is a couple fries short of a happy meal. If your wacky enough to kill your wife at least come up with a good alibi. I'm sorry, but no one goes camping, in the dead of winter, with two small children in the middle of the night. I really hope they make an arrest soon.:twocents:
Taminator
12-15-2009, 03:23 PM
Just thinking......
Maybe LE can do a public appeal for anyone who may have seen his van. There must be something on that van that could stick out and jog someone's memory (like a bumper sticker, etc...). If they show a picture of his van, they could find out where the most consistent sightings would be and go from there. What do you all think?
TGIRecovered
12-15-2009, 03:27 PM
The wife of a man with a control problem probably wouldn't invite a friend over for dinner unless the husband agreed to it first, IMO. I don't think that we should assume that the guest was her idea just because she made the actual phone call th invite the friend. It is quite possible that Josh told her to do it.
I also want to mention that although I am 47 years old, I would not be comfortable hanging out at a much younger friend's home with her husband if my friend were sick in bed. The age difference would not make me any more comfortable. In that situation, I might have offered to take the project home with me or come back another day.
Susan
Taminator
12-15-2009, 03:32 PM
I think it's possible he drugged her and kept checking on her. Question is, did he specifically fix HER plate? Obviously, if the plan was to drug her, he would have to take measures that no one else got the drugged food/drink.
FWIW, I would never have a friend over and suddenly be overwhelmingly tired enough to say that I have to go lay down and leave my friend. I would have to be drugged in that case. If she was drugged, perhaps she was just barely concious enough later to get up and stumble around and injure herself.
JMO, but I think Josh did something and it was pre-meditated. I think a series of unexpected things happened that threw a wrench in his plans. Maybe he drugged her and planned to go on the trip, thinking when he came back she would be dead. When she got up, thinking her friend was still there, in a half drugged fog, she fell, got seriously hurt and things started to go bad from there.
gliving
12-15-2009, 03:35 PM
A commenter on a newspaper said he was out where Josh went camping on Sunday night and there is no way a van could have managed. He said he was in a four-wheeler and still got stuck twice. The weather was terrible with freezing rain and snow.
I liked Vegas Bride's idea of using the sled to hide the body. Where could he do it when it's dark and freezing rain? He'd have to be very familiar or he'd risk his own life and leave the little kids out there to freeze.
Wonder if he left the sled there or brought it home.
nosylla
12-15-2009, 03:37 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,580241,00.html
gliving
12-15-2009, 03:40 PM
Maybe she was pregnant and that is why she was tired and sick. Maybe that set Josh off. I don't know. Just a thought.
Yes and if she was pregnant again, she may have been making some demands on Josh that set him off. I wonder if he was careless with (her) money.
I see he's 38 to her 28. She is more successful, he's marginally employed.
hellolisakitty
12-15-2009, 03:43 PM
Snipped & bold added by me.
Hey, great thinking!! He did say south then kind of stumble to the Pony Express thing. The Pony Express Trails appear to be Southwest. So after he said "south" he could have been thinking, "oh dang!" and diverted to the Pony Express Trails cause they are kind of south and wouldn't make him sound like a complete and total liar. In that sentence anyway.
But, I can tell you - for those that live here in the valley, when you say 'south' it would mean Moab, Zion, St. George... when you say 'west' that would be Magna, Tooele, the west desert, Miller Motorsports Park... or even Wendover, NV. There is NO WAY to confuse the two. IMHO.
Texas Mist
12-15-2009, 03:57 PM
I don't have the correct link handy, but I could swear Owings said that she was helping Susan untangle a mess of yarn. That would warrant staying after Susan went to bed: "Oh don't worry yourself, dear, I'll get this finished so you can work on your project when you're feeling better."
that's what I remember reading too - initially, untangle yarn...then it became 'crocheting project'.
media reporting is making us nuts --they do not understand specificity & how important it is to a WSer. :crazy:
omegagal
12-15-2009, 04:06 PM
All I know for sure is that LE must have some great evidence or Scott Williams would not be a part of all of this. I believe in the power of prayer. Pray for Susan. It sounds like she was a strong willed, hard working, deeply religious woman. She wants us to find her.... Get your LDS Stakes organized and go find her....
gliving
12-15-2009, 04:16 PM
that's what I remember reading too - initially, untangle yarn...then it became 'crocheting project'.
media reporting is making us nuts --they do not understand specificity & how important it is to a WSer. :crazy:
It's almost like she didn't want to be home alone with him. Church in the morning then invite a friend over for the afternoon.
lemonmoussetart
12-15-2009, 04:17 PM
Interview with attorney Bob Massey, and Mark Fuhrman. I think this pretty much sums it all up.
http://video.foxnews.com/12547243/lawyering-up
omegagal
12-15-2009, 04:21 PM
Interview with attorney Bob Massey, and Mark Fuhrman. I think this pretty much sums it all up.
http://video.foxnews.com/12547243/lawyering-up#/12546841/eminent-domain/?category_id=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b0c12f2 749
An Eminent Domain video is coming up...???
TGIRecovered
12-15-2009, 04:21 PM
Yes and if she was pregnant again, she may have been making some demands on Josh that set him off. I wonder if he was careless with (her) money.
I see he's 38 to her 28. She is more successful, he's marginally employed.
I didn't realize Josh was that much older than Susan. He certainly is not behaving like a man 38 years old. He seems immature and irresponsible, from what we've learned of him. What a loser.
Surely there are family members , friends, or neighbors who have noticed that he is not normal. If Susan had been my friend or neighbor, I think I would have had my eye on him, and not in a good way! It seems strange to me that the woman who had dinner with them didn't sense that something was up when Susan suddenly felt so bad that she had to go to bed, especially with company and the kids still awake and Hubby busy with dinner and clean-up! That woman has a blog, (linked earlier), and she wrote that she sat with Josh at Church this past Sunday...sounds as if they are still friendly. Why doesn't she smell a rat? Is everyone playing him for an innocent victim to keep him close and talking to them????
theforgotten
12-15-2009, 04:22 PM
Yes and if she was pregnant again, she may have been making some demands on Josh that set him off. I wonder if he was careless with (her) money.
I see he's 38 to her 28. She is more successful, he's marginally employed.
I was thinking that maybe she is(was) pregnant again, maybe he didn't want the baby. Maybe because another addition to the family would stress them financialy. I think, I maybe confusing myself, but I thought I read that they no longer shared the same bed or was it that they lived more like roommates than husband and wife?
Dal Gal
12-15-2009, 04:30 PM
As much as I hate the idea of it, the 4 year old boy is holding the key to the 17-hour joyride with Daddy. They really need to get those kids away from the influence of Josh before those memories become replaced with fake memories recited to them!
hellolisakitty
12-15-2009, 04:31 PM
I was thinking that maybe she is(was) pregnant again, maybe he didn't want the baby. Maybe because another addition to the family would stress them financialy. I think, I maybe confusing myself, but I thought I read that they no longer shared the same bed or was it that they lived more like roommates than husband and wife?
It was said they lived more like roomates than husband/wife - but I do not think anyone was able to verify if they had separate beds.
chiefgirl
12-15-2009, 04:36 PM
I am pretty confident that he killed her. I was thinking that he'd make it look like someone else may have done it for the insurance money.
Why do these men think their kids need Christmas presents more than they need their moms??
I had a gross dream about this...that he stuffed her in a deer carcass. Ew.
Guess I shouldn't eat late night snacks.
Seriously though. Please tell me investigators are going to tear up the part of the floor that was wet to look for blood or other evidence.
Eulalie
12-15-2009, 04:38 PM
Chiming in here--greetings, you amazing sleuthers!
The only thing that seems a little "off" to me about JP drugging Susan: wouldn't it be risky to do so with her friend in the house? What if she started foaming at the mouth or otherwise having an obviously negative reaction in front of the friend? Then again, JP is clearly not the world's smartest planner...
DomCasual
12-15-2009, 04:44 PM
Chiming in here--greetings, you amazing sleuthers!
The only thing that seems a little "off" to me about JP drugging Susan: wouldn't it be risky to do so with her friend in the house? What if she started foaming at the mouth or otherwise having an obviously negative reaction in front of the friend? Then again, JP is clearly not the world's smartest planner...
I'm kind of wondering if he's on some sort of medication. The interviews I've seen with him are just not normal. It's not like they're calculated, or disingenuous. They're just bizarre. I used to work as a psychiatric technician at the state mental hospital. Watching him reminded me of conversing with a heavily-medicated mental patient.
If he's taking something that makes him loopy, then he'd probably 1) have a convenient drug to give her; and 2) not completely understand how his actions might be interpreted by the dinner guest, law enforcement, the general public, etc.
Winnts
12-15-2009, 04:48 PM
Did the friend eat dinner too? It would be quite rude to eat in front of a guest without them eating also.
theforgotten
12-15-2009, 04:54 PM
If he was drugging her, do you think he was doing it overtime? It's been mention that he rarely if ever made dinner, but he could of put it in other things. Maybe that night it killed her. Just a thought.
Texas Mist
12-15-2009, 05:01 PM
Just thinking......
Maybe LE can do a public appeal for anyone who may have seen his van. There must be something on that van that could stick out and jog someone's memory (like a bumper sticker, etc...). If they show a picture of his van, they could find out where the most consistent sightings would be and go from there. What do you all think?
That's what I was thinking -- the case might move along if they were putting Joshy's picture out everywhere...surely someone saw him while he was out "driving around with the kids".
But I don't think they can do that if he's not named a suspect...too bad, tho.
Taminator
12-15-2009, 05:04 PM
If he was drugging her, do you think he was doing it overtime? It's been mention that he rarely if ever made dinner, but he could of put it in other things. Maybe that night it killed her. Just a thought.
He may have been. If his plan was to drug her and go on a camping trip, I think he may have given her just enough to put her out for a couple hours. He probably didn't expect the friend to stay as long as she did. I personally think he was planning to put more drugs in her system when the friend left to make it look like a suicide. Some drugs have an extended release, and if he was on a "camping trip" it could possibly rule him out, depending on when the new dose took effect. Or at least maybe that was the thought. IMO, the friend was an obstacle to what ever his plan was at the time.
gliving
12-15-2009, 05:08 PM
As much as I hate the idea of it, the 4 year old boy is holding the key to the 17-hour joyride with Daddy. They really need to get those kids away from the influence of Josh before those memories become replaced with fake memories recited to them!
Right. I'd ask the four year old one question: Where is mommy? And then just let him talk.
Texas Mist
12-15-2009, 05:15 PM
If he was drugging her, do you think he was doing it overtime? It's been mention that he rarely if ever made dinner, but he could of put it in other things. Maybe that night it killed her. Just a thought.
It was so chilling to hear he'd made dinner when he normally didn't...it made me think of Chris Coleman making Sheri dinner & playing outside with the boys, making a big deal out of it waving to a neighbor (like -- "hey, see me -- I'm outside being a great dad playing w/ my boys!!").
He knew good & well that would be their last nite together. I think it was just his sick & twisted mind enjoying 'the game'. :furious:
Given Josh is reported as a control freak, he probably enjoyed the game too....wouldn't surprise me if he cooked something Susan didn't even like to eat....I know that's kinda mean to say, but I've known mean controlling men & their games.
SusanB
12-15-2009, 05:35 PM
HLN news just featured the story and had the friend Jovanna on the phone. she seemed like she had no idea what was going on, that they appeared normal in every way that day and early evening while she was there. She again reiterated how she was there helping Susan with the yarn, Susan felt sleepy, then went and took a nap. She also said that Josh said nothing about going camping that night while she was there. From what I could summarize from her call, she did not know what had happened and could not understand, yet did not discount Josh as having something to do with it.:o
lemonmoussetart
12-15-2009, 05:38 PM
An Eminent Domain video is coming up...???
I fixed it, sorry
JennaLee
12-15-2009, 05:46 PM
I am also still very confused over the "dinner guest". Why did Susan really
invite this 54 yr. old neighbor over to sit in the living room with her to-
eat and crochet??
As I remember crocheting takes both hands. How the heck do you untangle
yarn, crochet and eat dinner at the same time??
There is something odd about this whole story.
Having struggled with crocheting in the past, I can definitely understand this. When your yarn gets all tangled up it can be a nightmare, leaving you with the option of having to keep cutting and tying small pieces together which can hurt the look of your item, or somehow figure out how to untangle it. It's not as easy as just giving up on that yarn and replacing it with a fresh roll from the craft store as you definitely want to get all your yarn from the same dye lot.
If I needed help with untangling yarn, (as I have in the past) I can definitely see inviting an experienced crocheter over to help. In return for her time, it would only be natural to include dinner in the invitation. If Susan went to lie down and the guest thought she could work it out in a reasonable amount of time, I guess I can see her staying wanting to help Susan out. Depending on how large it is and how much you have done, it's also not real fun to transport a crochet project. If you're not careful of the needle placement you could end up unwinding a good amount of work.
So while I don't see anything odd about the crocheting part, I am concerned that Susan was tired enough to need to lie down while a guest was over. If he did indeed drug her in some way, I also can't help but wonder if the sledding excuse was something Josh made up to get the guest out of the house ASAP before she got worried about Susan. Or as others have suggested, it could just be a whole, "Look at what a great dad I am," show.
Lovejac
12-15-2009, 05:50 PM
as much as I want to come here and see that Josh has been arrested, I am glad to know that LE is taking their time and making sure everything is right.
God bless Susan's little boys. I know they miss their mommy so very much.
smart blonde
12-15-2009, 05:53 PM
It was so chilling to hear he'd made dinner when he normally didn't...it made me think of Chris Coleman making Sheri dinner & playing outside with the boys, making a big deal out of it waving to a neighbor (like -- "hey, see me -- I'm outside being a great dad playing w/ my boys!!").
He knew good & well that would be their last nite together. I think it was just his sick & twisted mind enjoying 'the game'. :furious:
Given Josh is reported as a control freak, he probably enjoyed the game too....wouldn't surprise me if he cooked something Susan didn't even like to eat....I know that's kinda mean to say, but I've known mean controlling men & their games.
Great post!
I think, though, that if he did indeed poison her, he probably made one of her favorite meals.
He wouldn't want her to waste a single bite.
burbqueen
12-15-2009, 06:00 PM
for some reason i dont think he drugged her. maybe its just my gut, but i think they argued and he hit her or something then had to dispose of the body. To drug someone takes knowledge and access to the drugs. I dont see how a barely employed guy with no medical background could have access to poison. Then again there is antifreeze, but I dont think this was premeditated just a spur of the moment act with a panic cover up.
smart blonde
12-15-2009, 06:12 PM
for some reason i dont think he drugged her. maybe its just my gut, but i think they argued and he hit her or something then had to dispose of the body. To drug someone takes knowledge and access to the drugs. I dont see how a barely employed guy with no medical background could have access to poison. Then again there is antifreeze, but I dont think this was premeditated just a spur of the moment act with a panic cover up.
I'm leaning towards this, also.
If he had given this any forethought, it seems he could have come up with a much better plan than he did.
He doesn't seem to be thinking clearly in his media interviews. Almost as if he is still in shock (over what he had done). My opinion only, of course.
carbuff
12-15-2009, 06:12 PM
for some reason i dont think he drugged her. maybe its just my gut, but i think they argued and he hit her or something then had to dispose of the body. To drug someone takes knowledge and access to the drugs. I dont see how a barely employed guy with no medical background could have access to poison. Then again there is antifreeze, but I dont think this was premeditated just a spur of the moment act with a panic cover up.
If he drugged her just to make her feel ill or groggy, it could be done with quite ordinary medications. An overdose of Benadryl, for instance, or a prescription one of them already had (valium, antidepressant, sleep aid).
nursebeeme
12-15-2009, 06:16 PM
for some reason i dont think he drugged her. maybe its just my gut, but i think they argued and he hit her or something then had to dispose of the body. To drug someone takes knowledge and access to the drugs. I dont see how a barely employed guy with no medical background could have access to poison. Then again there is antifreeze, but I dont think this was premeditated just a spur of the moment act with a panic cover up. how about benedryl? other otc meds that cause sedation? those are readily available in most homes..
JLMcKenna83
12-15-2009, 06:18 PM
Posted on AOL
Cops: Missing Mom's Husband Hurts Search (http://www.sphere.com/nation/article/josh-powell-husband-of-missing-utah-woman-susan-powell-hires-attorney/19281654?icid=main|main|dl1|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww .sphere.com%2Fnation%2Farticle%2Fjosh-powell-husband-of-missing-utah-woman-susan-powell-hires-attorney%2F19281654)
The husband of a missing Utah woman is hindering the investigation because he failed to show up for an interview on the advice of his lawyer, police said Tuesday.
Josh Powell is not a suspect in the disappearance of Susan Powell, but his decision not to meet with detectives on Monday prevents them from moving ahead with the search for his wife, said West Valley City Police Capt. Tom McLachlan.
SusanB
12-15-2009, 06:19 PM
Right. I'd ask the four year old one question: Where is mommy? And then just let him talk.
I am sure there has been some sort of questioning with the four year old by LE, but of course, the public is not privy to the results. I think I remember from some prior post about the child saying something about "Mommy's going to stay in the woods" but that is totally unverifiable, and I have never heard this info anywhere else. The child is old enough to be able to talk about what happened pretty effectively, I would imagine.:angel:
Taminator
12-15-2009, 06:24 PM
for some reason i dont think he drugged her. maybe its just my gut, but i think they argued and he hit her or something then had to dispose of the body. To drug someone takes knowledge and access to the drugs. I dont see how a barely employed guy with no medical background could have access to poison. Then again there is antifreeze, but I dont think this was premeditated just a spur of the moment act with a panic cover up.
For my posts, I will clarify that by "drugged" I don't necessarily mean poisoned. It's entirely possible that one or both of them could have been on prescribed medication for depression/insomnia or any other reason. If she was drugged with prescription medication, suffice it to say that one could easily find out what dosage could be potentially fatal or enough incapacitate someone. There are many medications with warnings on them "do not crush" and other warnings. This could be especially true with extended release tablets because crushing them would probably contaminate the extended release distribution. I'm not sure if this makes any sense to anyone. I'm not a pharmacist, but....
I am highly interested in any internet searches in the last few months
passionflower
12-15-2009, 06:26 PM
It was so chilling to hear he'd made dinner when he normally didn't...it made me think of Chris Coleman making Sheri dinner & playing outside with the boys, making a big deal out of it waving to a neighbor (like -- "hey, see me -- I'm outside being a great dad playing w/ my boys!!").
He knew good & well that would be their last nite together. I think it was just his sick & twisted mind enjoying 'the game'. :furious:
Given Josh is reported as a control freak, he probably enjoyed the game too....wouldn't surprise me if he cooked something Susan didn't even like to eat....I know that's kinda mean to say, but I've known mean controlling men & their games.
I see him making something she loved to eat, for a compliment and make SURE she ate EVERY bite.................JMOO
passionflower
12-15-2009, 06:33 PM
If he drugged her just to make her feel ill or groggy, it could be done with quite ordinary medications. An overdose of Benadryl, for instance, or a prescription one of them already had (valium, antidepressant, sleep aid).
This would give HIM CONTROL and her none for a fight!
nursebeeme
12-15-2009, 06:41 PM
The police in West Valley City, Utah, spoke out the day after Joshua Powell (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/santa-ana-college-student-james-wernke-missing-walk/story?id=9331184) skipped a meeting with investigators for what would have been his second interview with them. Powell did not alert the officers that he wouldn't be showing up for the interview.
Police have been trying to find Susan Powell, 28, since she vanished more than a week ago.
"It is our position he's been hindering the investigation," West Valley City Police Capt. Tom McLachlan told ABCNews.com
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/missing-mom-susan-powell-suspicion-grows-husband-lawyers/story?id=9336078&cid=ESPNheadline
he didn't even call??? his atty didn't even call??? this excuse for a man has my panties in a wad!!!
Lipin One
12-15-2009, 06:43 PM
Great post!
I think, though, that if he did indeed poison her, he probably made one of her favorite meals.
He wouldn't want her to waste a single bite.
Some of you worry me...
nursebeeme
12-15-2009, 06:44 PM
our forensic astrologer, Tuba, sees drugging and planning in the event chart...
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CASE BRIEFINGS only
passionflower
12-15-2009, 06:48 PM
Sooner or later JP has to talk to police through lawyer!
Bet the wet carpet comes back with 'evidence of a violent crime'........
Patty G
12-15-2009, 06:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCirL9ReZ2I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR7Q8flIFV4
harleysnana
12-15-2009, 06:58 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/missing-mom-susan-powell-suspicion-grows-husband-lawyers/story?id=9336078&cid=ESPNheadline
he didn't even call??? his atty didn't even call??? this excuse for a man has my panties in a wad!!!
Oh but.... he isn't guilty! LMAO
Sad excuse for a man! :sick:
SusanB
12-15-2009, 07:02 PM
Story is on Jane Velez-Mitchell right now
sunflowerchick
12-15-2009, 07:04 PM
Hi everyone! Sorry if this was discussed earlier. I am a little behind in the thread, but here is what the local news had in one of their articles:
"Earlier Tuesday, there was a car parked in the driveway of the Powell residence with Washington plates. Susan's family is from Washington, but a family spokesperson said no one from her family except for her father, Charles Cox, has traveled to Utah, and he flew in. We knocked on the door, but no one answered."
Link to the article is here: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9041059
Any ideas?
winterrose
12-15-2009, 07:06 PM
our forensic astrologer, Tuba, sees drugging and planning in the event chart...
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CASE BRIEFINGS only (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4566824&postcount=348)
As in the husband cooked the meal that night when the guest was there for dinner and said it was unusual for him to be cooking. :waitasec: And she was sick,wonder how long he's had that cooking deserve recently.
winterrose
12-15-2009, 07:08 PM
Best friend just said they had went camping spur of the moment sleeping in the van.But a few times in the summer,never winter.She said they've been married eight years,had trouble for a couple of years,she was going to stay to work it out.
Susan's father had said they had problems,mostly financial problems,but they were working them out.
Searchfortruth
12-15-2009, 07:15 PM
How did husband give his wife the meal, while the friend was sitting there, and not offer any to her ? Or do we know about that yet ?
darlin gal
12-15-2009, 07:16 PM
Hi everyone! Sorry if this was discussed earlier. I am a little behind in the thread, but here is what the local news had in one of their articles:
"Earlier Tuesday, there was a car parked in the driveway of the Powell residence with Washington plates. Susan's family is from Washington, but a family spokesperson said no one from her family except for her father, Charles Cox, has traveled to Utah, and he flew in. We knocked on the door, but no one answered."
Link to the article is here: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9041059
Any ideas?
They have other family and friends from WA. Perhaps someone drove down.
winterrose
12-15-2009, 07:19 PM
How did husband give his wife the meal, while the friend was sitting there, and not offer any to her ? Or do we know about that yet ?
I wonder about that,did he set the plate at each person,or since he wanted to do cooking,if that was dinner,had he fed Susan lunch?Had he been cooking the meals?I'm sure LE is talking to the guest about all of this.I'm wondering about that wet stain on the floor,did she get sick from something she had eaten?
Texas Mist
12-15-2009, 07:20 PM
Susan's dad just said on JVM that Josh recently got steady employment....so I'm thinking that's his IT job (per "coworker's comments to online article) @ the distribution company.
I still have no idea where NG got the info that he was starting a new job Monday a week ago. (the day he was 'driving around with the kids')
winterrose
12-15-2009, 07:21 PM
Her best friend just said husband's normally loud and talkative,but not acting like himself at all right now,very different.
Ransom
12-15-2009, 07:22 PM
They have other family and friends from WA. Perhaps someone drove down.
Who? TIA
JennaLee
12-15-2009, 07:37 PM
This has probably been posted, but it does answer some questions.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14000824
"It was crocheting that brought Susan Powell together with fellow churchgoer JoVonna Owings. Susan Powell started crocheting blankets for her two sons in October, and would become frustrated as her yarn would tangle. Owings helped her untangle the yarn and store it. That friendship continued, and Owings began babysitting the boys on Saturdays starting the weekend after Thanksgiving this year. She was with the family the evening before Susan Powell disappeared, helping untangle yarn and ate a dinner of pancakes and scrambled eggs that Joshua Powell made."
"Joshua Powell, according to several sources, is a "huge talker" whose hobbies include Radio Controlled cars, gardening and landscaping."
"Joshua Powell operates a home-based business called Polished Marketing that creates Web sites and logos for business. Among his clients: The Midvale Cinco de Mayo festival. He also works as a computer programmer for a trucking company."
nursebeeme
12-15-2009, 07:39 PM
How did husband give his wife the meal, while the friend was sitting there, and not offer any to her ? Or do we know about that yet ?
from first interview with J they were eating in the living room while working on their crochet project while Josh and children ate in the kitchen. He kept coming into the livingroom frequently to check on them/talk to them!
JennaLee
12-15-2009, 07:40 PM
Bold added by me.
"Joshua Powell, according to several sources, is a "huge talker" whose hobbies include Radio Controlled cars, gardening and landscaping."
If by "huge talker" they mean that he talks a lot, you sure could have fooled me. During those interviews he sure was incredibly quiet.
nursebeeme
12-15-2009, 07:43 PM
This has probably been posted, but it does answer some questions.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14000824
"It was crocheting that brought Susan Powell together with fellow churchgoer JoVonna Owings. Susan Powell started crocheting blankets for her two sons in October, and would become frustrated as her yarn would tangle. Owings helped her untangle the yarn and store it. That friendship continued, and Owings began babysitting the boys on Saturdays starting the weekend after Thanksgiving this year. She was with the family the evening before Susan Powell disappeared, helping untangle yarn and ate a dinner of pancakes and scrambled eggs that Joshua Powell made."
"Joshua Powell, according to several sources, is a "huge talker" whose hobbies include Radio Controlled cars, gardening and landscaping."
"Joshua Powell operates a home-based business called Polished Marketing that creates Web sites and logos for business. Among his clients: The Midvale Cinco de Mayo festival. He also works as a computer programmer for a trucking company."
bbm. much more info here. so J JUST started babysitting the children on Saturdays... Josh made scrambled eggs and pancakes.. easy recipes to disguise crushed up pills.
Thanks for the link
passionflower
12-15-2009, 08:05 PM
Susan's dad just said on JVM that Josh recently got steady employment....so I'm thinking that's his IT job (per "coworker's comments to online article) @ the distribution company.
I still have no idea where NG got the info that he was starting a new job Monday a week ago. (the day he was 'driving around with the kids')
you know NG.............
but maybe a second job hours for Christmas?
JulieR
12-15-2009, 08:06 PM
I hope Susan's father listened to what Pat Brown said on the Today Show. I can't tell if her father is defending his SIL by design or he's in complete denial?
Missing woman's dad doubts son-in-law hurt her
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9038562
I give that man a lot of credit cause if it were me, I would have Josh by the neck dragging him to LE screaming all the way "Where's my daughter". I kind of think by design.
lemonmoussetart
12-15-2009, 08:11 PM
Here is the thing that gets me--not just with Josh, but all who murder their wives.
The act of the murder of a spouse, the person who you are supposed to love above all others, and the woman who had your children, is so horrible.
But, worse yet is that you actually try to get away with it!
If one were truly sorry, and remorseful wouldn't you just own up to it?
No, now it's time to CYA. Even Mark Hacking told the truth in the end.
It speaks volumes to me.
theforgotten
12-15-2009, 08:13 PM
Does it seem weird that her siblings haven't come to Utah yet? I don't have siblings, but I think I would be there. Her family are in my thoughts and prayers.
Patty G
12-15-2009, 08:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5LB5GSrRxM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVeHvb4sh0A
sunflowerchick
12-15-2009, 08:28 PM
Does it seem weird that her siblings haven't come to Utah yet? I don't have siblings, but I think I would be there. Her family are in my thoughts and prayers.
This doesn't seem weird to me at all, and in fact, I can completely understand and sympathize... Sometimes no matter what terrible things pop up in our lives, we cannot financially or otherwise be where we want to be. I know this all too well from my own personal experiences when I lived in a different state than my family.
They may have trouble getting off work, or cannot afford the trip right now. It is right before Christmas after all, and they most likely have families of their own.
SusanB
12-15-2009, 08:32 PM
I truly think LE is gathering their case, and putting all the ducks in a row for the arrest of Josh. There is still a lot of forensic evidence to be processed - according to folks in the neighborhood, the forensic mobile collection unit was at the house for quite awhile. It could be a week before results are back. In the meanwhile, since Josh is not talking, as long as he does not flee, there is no reason to act hastily and risk a poorly thought out prosecution case. I am sure LE is all over him 24/7 to make sure he does not get out of their sight.:hand:
theforgotten
12-15-2009, 08:35 PM
This doesn't seem weird to me at all, and in fact, I can completely understand and sympathize... Sometimes no matter what terrible things pop up in our lives, we cannot financially or otherwise be where we want to be. I know this all too well from my own personal experiences when I lived in a different state than my family.
They may have trouble getting off work, or cannot afford the trip right now. It is right before Christmas after all, and they most likely have families of their own.
Thank you~I didn't see that way at first!
BlOnDe_GuRrL
12-15-2009, 08:37 PM
does he sort of remind anyone else of misty croslin??
with the looking down... and allt he "ums" and uhs" and the long pauses between every word?
Texas Mist
12-15-2009, 08:41 PM
does he sort of remind anyone else of misty croslin??
with the looking down... and allt he "ums" and uhs" and the long pauses between every word?
you're right, Blonde Gurl -- but I think he comes across as even more fake -- especially when his upper lip is all curled up.
nursebeeme
12-15-2009, 08:43 PM
scott peterson.... reminds me so much of scott peterson.... (and not just the time of year either)
Melanie
12-15-2009, 08:46 PM
I know Joshua said he didn't know what day it was because he didn't go to church that Sunday. However, Susan and her two sons did attend? Now how do you forget what day it is if your family is off at church?
In looking at the timeline, I think the murder (IMHO) happened between Joshua coming home at 8:30 and departing again at 12:30 AM.
Does anyone know if the van has been confiscated? Cadaver dogs in the home, etc? This case is going way too slow for me.
Best,
Mel
Noon, Dec. 6 » Susan Powell, 28, and her two sons attended church services at the Hunter 36th Ward, and then walked home with friend Kiirsi Hellewell.
Afternoon, Dec. 6 » Neighbor JoVonna Owings dropped by the Powell's home on Sunday afternoon to visit with Susan Powell. The family had pancakes for dinner. Susan, who was feeling ill, lied down for a nap about 5 p.m. Owings left, as did Joshua Powell, who said he was taking his two sons sledding.
8:30 p.m., Dec. 6 » A neighbor saw Joshua Powell as he returned home and pulled into his garage.
12 a.m. to 12:30 a.m, Dec. 7 » Joshua Powell says he left home with his two sons to go camping at Simpson Springs in the West Desert, while Susan remained home.
9 a.m. to 10 a.m., Dec. 7 » The Powell's daycare provider became alarmed when the couple failed to drop off their sons on schedule and she could not reach either parent by cell phone or at their home. She contacted Joshua Powell's mother and sister, who called police after they could not locate the pair. Police break into the Powell's home but find no one there.
Evening, Dec. 7 » Joshua Powell and his two young sons returned home between 5 p.m. and 6 p.m. He was taken to the West Valley Police station to be questioned.
11 a.m., Dec. 8 » Charles Cox received a telephone call from Joshua Powell, who informed him Susan was missing and that he was about to be interviewed by police again.
Dec. 10 » Law officers searched the Simpson Springs area where Joshua Powell said he camped with his sons but found nothing.
Dec. 14 » Joshua Powell hired defense attorney Scott Williams. He skipped third interview with West Valley City Police.
smart blonde
12-15-2009, 08:48 PM
If he did murder his wife and dispose of her body, and if he feels the police are closing in on him... I wonder how much of a suicide risk he is?
I would hate for him to commit suicide, and take the answers with him.
Vegas Bride
12-15-2009, 08:54 PM
This doesn't seem weird to me at all, and in fact, I can completely understand and sympathize... Sometimes no matter what terrible things pop up in our lives, we cannot financially or otherwise be where we want to be. I know this all too well from my own personal experiences when I lived in a different state than my family.
They may have trouble getting off work, or cannot afford the trip right now. It is right before Christmas after all, and they most likely have families of their own.
They also may be helping take care of their mother who was not able to make the trip and still in Washington.
VB
I just wonder why her siblings have not made some sort of statement though. I am sure the story is in their local papers if they live where Susan grew up.
lemonmoussetart
12-15-2009, 09:05 PM
If he did murder his wife and dispose of her body, and if he feels the police are closing in on him... I wonder how much of a suicide risk he is?
I would hate for him to commit suicide, and take the answers with him.
With the narcisstic controller that he seems to be, I think suicide would not really be an option for him. IMO he just wants this to all go away, and be over. But, not his life--oh, no too valuable! Plus, who would take care of "his boys?"
Can you imagine him thinking of her body decomposing in the remote location that HE placed her? (talk about nightmares) Wondering when the police will pull up with an arrest warrant? And, never let her family, or children have any answers. To at least give her a proper LDS/Christian burial so that all who loved her can "be with" her in some way.
passionflower
12-15-2009, 09:09 PM
As for siblings not coming with dad to UTAH, IIRC someone said her mom is very ill.
Maybe they are torn between taking care of mom and their sister.
How many siblings does she have??? Where do they live???
Did anyone see a date of birth for Susan Cox Powell???? where she was born? TIA
passionflower
12-15-2009, 09:11 PM
Can't JP be arrested for hindering an investigation????
GingerRed
12-15-2009, 09:11 PM
I just wonder why her siblings have not made some sort of statement though. I am sure the story is in their local papers if they live where Susan grew up.
I live ten miles from where the parents live. I've been following the local coverage and it's the basic AP stuff. No word from the siblings that I've found. I did hear of one friend that lives up here, and according to her the police are in regular contact with the family members in Washington, and she expressed a lot of gratitude for that.
Perhaps it's just too painful to speak. Perhaps Dad and his LE friend said just leave it to us at this point. Maybe they are sheltering their own families and kids.
GingerRed
12-15-2009, 09:12 PM
Can't JP be arrested for hindering an investigation????
If he's not under arrest or a material witness they cannot force him to do anything.
This WILL NOT look good to a jury, though.
passionflower
12-15-2009, 09:26 PM
you're right, Blonde Gurl -- but I think he comes across as even more fake -- especially when his upper lip is all curled up.
I noticed his lip thing also, I never saw any one do that before.........is it a normal?
lemonmoussetart
12-15-2009, 09:42 PM
I live ten miles from where the parents live. I've been following the local coverage and it's the basic AP stuff. No word from the siblings that I've found. I did hear of one friend that lives up here, and according to her the police are in regular contact with the family members in Washington, and she expressed a lot of gratitude for that.
Perhaps it's just too painful to speak. Perhaps Dad and his LE friend said just leave it to us at this point. Maybe they are sheltering their own families and kids.
Ginger, I think that Dad is a very strong man, and has everything under control. (he has his LE bud with him) And, is telling the rest of the family to do the same--which is to remain silent. Susan's father, Mr. Cox, is so very dignified, and careful about his answers. Maybe that's where some of her/Susan's strength came, along with her ill Mother. My heart just bleeds for him for having to exemplify such grace under unbelievable pressure.
mysticrose
12-15-2009, 09:56 PM
HI did you all see this article:
Missing Utah mom's husband met with police
By BROCK VERGAKIS and JENNIFER DOBNER (AP) – 1 hour ago
SALT LAKE CITY — An attorney says the husband of a missing Utah woman has been answering questions on a daily basis and is not hindering an investigation into her disappearance.
Attorney Scott Williams tells The Associated Press that he and Josh Powell met with West Valley City police on Tuesday. He says Powell is answering police questions in an effort to help find his wife, Susan Powell.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jE-50f71E8ypwigW42nKuDx27hxAD9CK3JQO0
nervous_nellie
12-15-2009, 10:00 PM
I know Joshua said he didn't know what day it was because he didn't go to church that Sunday. However, Susan and her two sons did attend? Now how do you forget what day it is if your family is off at church?
In looking at the timeline, I think the murder (IMHO) happened between Joshua coming home at 8:30 and departing again at 12:30 AM.
Does anyone know if the van has been confiscated? Cadaver dogs in the home, etc? This case is going way too slow for me.
Best,
Mel
Noon, Dec. 6 » Susan Powell, 28, and her two sons attended church services at the Hunter 36th Ward, and then walked home with friend Kiirsi Hellewell.
Afternoon, Dec. 6 » Neighbor JoVonna Owings dropped by the Powell's home on Sunday afternoon to visit with Susan Powell. The family had pancakes for dinner. Susan, who was feeling ill, lied down for a nap about 5 p.m. Owings left, as did Joshua Powell, who said he was taking his two sons sledding.
8:30 p.m., Dec. 6 » A neighbor saw Joshua Powell as he returned home and pulled into his garage.
12 a.m. to 12:30 a.m, Dec. 7 » Joshua Powell says he left home with his two sons to go camping at Simpson Springs in the West Desert, while Susan remained home.
9 a.m. to 10 a.m., Dec. 7 » The Powell's daycare provider became alarmed when the couple failed to drop off their sons on schedule and she could not reach either parent by cell phone or at their home. She contacted Joshua Powell's mother and sister, who called police after they could not locate the pair. Police break into the Powell's home but find no one there.
Evening, Dec. 7 » Joshua Powell and his two young sons returned home between 5 p.m. and 6 p.m. He was taken to the West Valley Police station to be questioned.
11 a.m., Dec. 8 » Charles Cox received a telephone call from Joshua Powell, who informed him Susan was missing and that he was about to be interviewed by police again.
Dec. 10 » Law officers searched the Simpson Springs area where Joshua Powell said he camped with his sons but found nothing.
Dec. 14 » Joshua Powell hired defense attorney Scott Williams. He skipped third interview with West Valley City Police.
yes, the van was impounded and the csi folks came in the house and carted away some stuff(not been told what stuff).....he has the van back already...
mysticrose
12-15-2009, 10:00 PM
I wonder who is blowing smoke about if he is cooperating with LE or not ? My bet is on Josh's new defense attorney would be the one blowing smoke....about answering questions...
Maybe he went in for 5 mins today.....sheesh....
theforgotten
12-15-2009, 10:10 PM
Do we know how Susan and Josh meet? I'm wondering, because of the age difference.
lemonmoussetart
12-15-2009, 10:13 PM
I wonder who is blowing smoke about if he is cooperating with LE or not ?
That would be his attorney saying "as his defense, he does not have to appear."
Divisive, yes! Illegal, no. unfortunately :behindbar
Texas Mist
12-15-2009, 10:18 PM
<snip>
WEST VALLEY CITY — The husband of a woman missing for more than a week answered police questions Tuesday after declining to show up for an interview with police the previous night, his attorney said.
Salt Lake City attorney Scott Williams told the Associated Press that he and Josh Powell met with West Valley City police on Tuesday.
Police said they weren't happy when Powell, whose wife, Susan, has been missing since Dec. 6, when he didn't show up for a third interview Monday night, based on advice from his attorney.
...
Meanwhile, there was no new information Tuesday into the disappearance of Susan Powell.
Story continues below
"We have searched the house, the area around the house, the neighborhood. The fact is, we just don't have a specific area (to search). There are no new leads. She has not been sighted anywhere to mount a search in that area," McLachlan said.
....
Josh Powell returned home about 5 p.m. on Dec. 7. He was interviewed by police that night. A second interview was conducted the next day, McLachlan said.
A third interview, scheduled for Monday, never happened.
more here
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705351731/Josh-Powell-skips-police-interview.html
Dr.Fessel
12-15-2009, 10:19 PM
HI did you all see this article:
Missing Utah mom's husband met with police
By BROCK VERGAKIS and JENNIFER DOBNER (AP) – 1 hour ago
SALT LAKE CITY — An attorney says the husband of a missing Utah woman has been answering questions on a daily basis and is not hindering an investigation into her disappearance.
Attorney Scott Williams tells The Associated Press that he and Josh Powell met with West Valley City police on Tuesday. He says Powell is answering police questions in an effort to help find his wife, Susan Powell.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jE-50f71E8ypwigW42nKuDx27hxAD9CK3JQO0
We will know when he is answering questions truthfully when he tells them where her body is.
lemonmoussetart
12-15-2009, 10:23 PM
We will know when he is answering questions truthfully when he tells them where her body is.
Amen Dr. F!
Fairy1
12-15-2009, 10:28 PM
I have travelled a great deal in Southern Utah and I shudder to think where this young woman could be. Earlier this year they found a young man who had been missing well over a year in So. UT. He had driven off the road and was found right there - still in his truck. Who knows how many times they had been over that area?
I am hoping against all hope that Josh will break down and tell LE where he put her.
Texas Mist
12-15-2009, 10:38 PM
I noticed his lip thing also, I never saw any one do that before.........is it a normal?
I don't know about normal, passionflower...but it bugs the heck out of me...I just know I've seen that facial expression before & have strong negative feelings associated with it...I think it's from my ex - but honestly I have blocked out his face for a long time..
Josh's face almost looks like faces of chimps when they're angry - showing teeth with the curled up lip....I think he's really irritated that reporters continued to question him & don't just take whatever BS he tosses out there....that's why he can't cry & show sadness -- because he's not in control & it's getting to him.
Lovejac
12-15-2009, 10:56 PM
I know Joshua said he didn't know what day it was because he didn't go to church that Sunday. However, Susan and her two sons did attend? Now how do you forget what day it is if your family is off at church?
In looking at the timeline, I think the murder (IMHO) happened between Joshua coming home at 8:30 and departing again at 12:30 AM.
Does anyone know if the van has been confiscated? Cadaver dogs in the home, etc? This case is going way too slow for me.
Best,
Mel
Noon, Dec. 6 » Susan Powell, 28, and her two sons attended church services at the Hunter 36th Ward, and then walked home with friend Kiirsi Hellewell.
Afternoon, Dec. 6 » Neighbor JoVonna Owings dropped by the Powell's home on Sunday afternoon to visit with Susan Powell. The family had pancakes for dinner. Susan, who was feeling ill, lied down for a nap about 5 p.m. Owings left, as did Joshua Powell, who said he was taking his two sons sledding.
8:30 p.m., Dec. 6 » A neighbor saw Joshua Powell as he returned home and pulled into his garage.
12 a.m. to 12:30 a.m, Dec. 7 » Joshua Powell says he left home with his two sons to go camping at Simpson Springs in the West Desert, while Susan remained home.
9 a.m. to 10 a.m., Dec. 7 » The Powell's daycare provider became alarmed when the couple failed to drop off their sons on schedule and she could not reach either parent by cell phone or at their home. She contacted Joshua Powell's mother and sister, who called police after they could not locate the pair. Police break into the Powell's home but find no one there.
Evening, Dec. 7 » Joshua Powell and his two young sons returned home between 5 p.m. and 6 p.m. He was taken to the West Valley Police station to be questioned.
11 a.m., Dec. 8 » Charles Cox received a telephone call from Joshua Powell, who informed him Susan was missing and that he was about to be interviewed by police again.
Dec. 10 » Law officers searched the Simpson Springs area where Joshua Powell said he camped with his sons but found nothing.
Dec. 14 » Joshua Powell hired defense attorney Scott Williams. He skipped third interview with West Valley City Police.
Bolded by me.
I thank God for that daycare provider. She was so dilligent in trying to find out where the boys were. IMO, she got the ball rolling and that is why the police were at their house before Josh could get back and finish covering his tracks.
Dr.Fessel
12-15-2009, 10:58 PM
Do we know how Susan and Josh meet? I'm wondering, because of the age difference.
I have been wondering that too. Her home town is close to ft. lewis and Mccord air force base. I wonder if he could have been in the military.
AmandaReckonwith
12-15-2009, 11:02 PM
Josh and Susan met at a church function in Puyallup WA.
Read this... lots of background stuff:
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14000824
Dr.Fessel
12-15-2009, 11:05 PM
Josh and Susan met at a church function in Puyallup WA.
Do you know what brought him to WA?
Ransom
12-15-2009, 11:07 PM
Do we know how Susan and Josh meet? I'm wondering, because of the age difference.
YES ... already posted
Susan and her husband are natives of Pullayup, Wash., and members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They met through a church activity at the College Heights YSA Ward in Tacoma, Wash., and were married in April 2001, according to Kiirsi Hellewell, Susan's best friend.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14000824
READ more ^^^^
AmandaReckonwith
12-15-2009, 11:07 PM
Josh & Susan moved to Utah 5 years ago, to be closer to Josh' Mom and sisters.
omegagal
12-15-2009, 11:30 PM
I think Texas Mist and Passionflower are on to something. Sounds like they have had experiences not unlike Susan or myself....
My theory of what happened is based on what I have read, seen and heard so far on this case as well as personal experiences in the church and with a psychopath. Any licensed clinicians with additional experience with psychopaths, narcissists and abuse please feel free to chime in.
Background: I think around the time Susan had her first baby things she only barely noticed in Josh's personality started becoming more distinct. The control and power issues were now at full force. (Someone on the earlier news report said Susan and Josh seemed to be doing well and were happy when they first moved to the area 5 years ago)
One of the first things an abuser will do is take the woman away from her support system (family in Washington) He has family in Utah. Obviously they did not move there because he had this wonderful, high paying career waiting for him. What he didn't expect is that Susan was strong and well liked and would develop a support system in her new community. It must have driven him wild to see how competent and happy she could find herself, especially without him being the reason for her happiness. After all she was merely an extension of himself as were "his" children.
Over the last couple of months: The power and control issues were getting worse and worse. Susan had made a couple of very smart moves. She had gotten a decent job. Josh had been telling her for some time that if she left, she would never be able to support herself. He probably said "Look at me, I can't even handle a full time job. Do you think a judge is ever going to give you enough support that you could live off it?" The psychopath always underestimates his victim. They may have started out with marital counseling but more than likely the counselor (probably from LDS Family Services) realized after a few interviews, it was an abuse issue not a marital issue. That means that Susan was probably in counseling with a private counselor as well as her bishop. Psychopaths never subcomb to treatment. After all they are smarter and wiser than any professional counselor so Josh would never see a counselor or admit the abuse. Susan was probably put on either anti-depressants, anti-anxiety or sleeping pills or some combination of these. This would give Josh the opportunity to start telling people that Susan "wasn't right" or that she was "unstable". He would love to believe that but no one else was really buying into it. So things started getting worse and worse for Josh. She had to be stopped.
Currently: I think that Susan and Josh had an enormous fight or "power struggle" Saturday night or Sunday morning before church. Josh said he wasn't going to church, Susan went. Her friend Kriisi (sp?) said she didn't see Susan at church but saw her when walking home. I bet Susan was in the bishop's office telling him what had just happened. You DO see your best friends during church at least some time during the 3 hours you attend. Josh knowing his time was about out, made a plan. While Susan was at church, he took Susan's entire bottle of sleeping pills and crushed them, planning to put them in her food at dinner, then leaving with the boys for sledding to come home to find that Susan had killed herself with an overdose of sleeping pills. His plan backfired because as usual Susan messed with the plan. Instead Susan invited someone to come over after church for an early dinner. This drove Josh nuts as he had already crushed all the pills. What if Susan saw all of her pills missing???? So Josh went along with the plan. Very interesting how he didn't serve a casserole but make individual "pancakes" and scrambled eggs. I'll bet you anything that you can not taste medication in eggs or perhaps juice. Then he has to keep checking on her during dinner. This is the point where he starts getting schizoid because of the change of plans. He tells her friend that he's taking the boys sledding to show he's going to be out of the house with the boys for a while hoping that will cover his butte and get her to leave. Susan starts feeling poorly and needs to lie down. The friend leaves and he takes the boys out for a while to let his poor wife die in bed, figuring when he gets home he can put the bottle next to her bed. Only instead, when he left Susan got up out of bed, making it to the living room collapses on the floor where she proceeds to foam at the mouth or vomit. When he comes home he finds her like this. I think he's not the "good dad" as people make him out to be. Psychopaths are too lazy to be good parents. They are controlling parents. Josh would have put the kids either back in the car right away (oldest one up front as he can talk) or put them in a room by themselves while he put Susan in the van and started to clean up. He probably got all that together by 12:30. The oldest child must have known that Susan was in the back of the van, though and probably asked his dad some good questions. (that child and DNA are going to be Susan's saving grace) I think since Josh told reporters he was south and then west of SLC that Josh actually went just the opposite way, either north or east. I also think he pulled off on the side of the road and the oldest child saw "woods" or "trees" in the head lights. Not a forest, not a desert, not a heavy snowstorm but "woods/trees". Meanwhile Josh came around to the back of the van and took Susan's body out and either (must still be an active suicide plan) put her in a large body of water near a bridge or even worst put her in a sewer hole. I do think he's smart and just playing dumb. But I don't think he's brilliant and he's certainly no where near as brilliant as he thinks he is.
Also, I agree with the lip thing. It's almost a smirk of contempt for LE and the press. When he says I just want to find her, I hear him saying "and you won't find her". Listen and watch that interview by his car again. Seems like he's just evil and taunting the press.
nosylla
12-15-2009, 11:31 PM
Well, he showed up at the interview. Police were not happy (I read)
I wonder if they checked his (JP's) body for any marks or scratches (defense wounds) I hope so.
smart blonde
12-15-2009, 11:38 PM
The problem I see with Josh leaving Susan to die in bed of an overdose/poisoning while he takes the boys 'sledding'... is what is to guarantee that Susan won't call 911 or a neighbor for help? Her cellphone was found at the house. What is to guarantee she doesn't crawl from the house to the front yard for help, even?
AmandaReckonwith
12-15-2009, 11:41 PM
The problem I see with Josh leaving Susan to die in bed of an overdose/poisoning while he takes the boys 'sledding'... is what is to guarantee that Susan won't call 911 or a neighbor for help? Her cellphone was found at the house. What is to guarantee she doesn't crawl from the house to the front yard for help, even?
If it was an overdose of sleeping pills maybe she just didn't make it to her phone.
I'm really liking omegagal's theory. (well not actually liking, agreeing)
Especially the background and the control parts. Exactly.
omegagal
12-15-2009, 11:47 PM
The problem I see with Josh leaving Susan to die in bed of an overdose/poisoning while he takes the boys 'sledding'... is what is to guarantee that Susan won't call 911 or a neighbor for help? Her cellphone was found at the house. What is to guarantee she doesn't crawl from the house to the front yard for help, even?
smart blonde - I believe he was in a schizoid phase at this point because of the sudden change of plans (a dinner guest). In other words, he wasn't thinking properly (like you and I would). He saw she was passed out, had researched how much it would take to kill her and never imagined that she would EVER get up again.
lemonmoussetart
12-15-2009, 11:52 PM
I think Susan was the "generator" in the back of the van. He had to tell the 4 year old something about the big thing with the blanket over it. We can only hope he wasn't too sleepy that when Dad opened the back, let cold air in, and it woke him up--only to find that Mom was there all along. And watched her being carried away.....
Dr.Fessel
12-15-2009, 11:52 PM
Dang omegagal that post makes so much sense.
sunsetbeach
12-15-2009, 11:56 PM
how about benedryl? other otc meds that cause sedation? those are readily available in most homes..
I take Benedryl for allergies and I have to take it at night because it knocks me out so that could be possible.
Don't most parents keep something like that around in case of an allergic reaction to things?
My husband had to take it when he got nailed by a bee because his hand swelled.
nosylla
12-16-2009, 12:00 AM
I think Susan was the "generator" in the back of the van. He had to tell the 4 year old something about the big thing with the blanket over it. We can only hope he wasn't too sleepy that when Dad opened the back, let cold air in, and it woke him up--only to find that Mom was there all along. And watched her being carried away.....
Hopefully LE tested the generator to see if it had been operating the past few days. If it is gas powered.. it would have traces in and around the van. I think that is a great scenario. If the generator was not used... then you may have hit the nail on the head.
smart blonde
12-16-2009, 12:01 AM
Josh and Susan met at a church function in Puyallup WA.
Read this... lots of background stuff:
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14000824
Excellent, informative article... thank you for posting!
Lots of interesting stuff in the article. Just a couple of things that really caught my eye (my comments will be in purple):
A quote from 'neighbor'/ friend JoVonna Owings (a.k.a 'crochet lady'):
"Susan is very energetic and enthusiastic. She is sort of like the Energizer Bunny", Owings said, "she was an excellent mother and wife. She took care of her family, house and husband, and often made meals from scratch". (It is interesting to me how she switched from the present tense to the past tense mid-way through this statement).
Also:
Owings began babysitting for the Powells on Saturdays. Owings said she would bring her 9 year old and 17 year old children along when she tended the Powell boys. Joshua Powell often spent those Saturdays working on the home's back deck, and would teach the Owings children woodworking. (Does anyone know if JoVonna Owings is married herself? Why would she be spending so much time babysitting at the Powell house is Josh was home on Saturdays? How many hours on Saturdays did he spend on that back deck, and how many Saturdays does it take to complete a deck? How close did these two possibly get? It just all sounds kind of 'cozy' to my suspicious little mind).
I may be way out there with this, but, is there a possibility JoVonna could be connected with Susan's disappearance? Josh and JoVonna?
smart blonde
12-16-2009, 12:11 AM
smart blonde - I believe he was in a schizoid phase at this point because of the sudden change of plans (a dinner guest). In other words, he wasn't thinking properly (like you and I would). He saw she was passed out, had researched how much it would take to kill her and never imagined that she would EVER get up again.
It just seems very risky, to take the chance that she won't 'come to' enough to reach for the phone and call 911. Especially in light of the news aticles that state that Josh left to take the boys sledding at the same time the JoVonna/neighbor/friend/crochet lady was leaving the house.
How would he know Susan was incapacitated so quickly, if he left at the same time JoVonna did?
omegagal
12-16-2009, 12:12 AM
Excellent, informative article... thank you for posting!
Lots of interesting stuff in the article. Just a couple of things that really caught my eye (my comments will be in purple):
A quote from 'neighbor'/ friend JoVonna Owings (a.k.a 'crochet lady'):
"Susan is very energetic and enthusiastic. She is sort of like the Energizer Bunny", Owings said, "she was an excellent mother and wife. She took care of her family, house and husband, and often made meals from scratch". (It is interesting to me how she switched from the present tense to the past tense mid-way through this statement).
Also:
Owings began babysitting for the Powells on Saturdays. Owings said she would bring her 9 year old and 17 year old children along when she tended the Powell boys. Joshua Powell often spent those Saturdays working on the home's back deck, and would teach the Owings children woodworking. (Does anyone know if JoVonna Owings is married herself? Why would she be spending so much time babysitting at the Powell house is Josh was home on Saturdays? How many hours on Saturdays did he spend on that back deck, and how many Saturdays does it take to complete a deck? How close did these two possibly get? It just all sounds kind of 'cozy' to my suspicious little mind).
I may be way out there with this, but, is there a possibility JoVonna could be connected with Susan's disappearance? Josh and JoVonna?
No pretty sure not involved. Susan needed a friend and help with the kids. Josh was/is incompetent.
hellolisakitty
12-16-2009, 12:14 AM
I have travelled a great deal in Southern Utah and I shudder to think where this young woman could be. Earlier this year they found a young man who had been missing well over a year in So. UT. He had driven off the road and was found right there - still in his truck. Who knows how many times they had been over that area?
I am hoping against all hope that Josh will break down and tell LE where he put her.
I think you are speaking Christopher Robin? I followed his case for a long time. So sad it took so long for them to find them - it is just such a big area. So many places to go missing.
omegagal
12-16-2009, 12:15 AM
It just seems very risky, to take the chance that she won't 'come to' enough to reach for the phone and call 911. Especially in light of the news aticles that state that Josh left to take the boys sledding at the same time the JoVonna/neighbor/friend/crochet lady was leaving the house.
How would he know Susan was incapacitated so quickly, if he left at the same time JoVonna did?
I didn't say he left "at the same time" but soon thereafter. Maybe even checked her pulse but nothing more... There are 3 hours from 5:30 to 8:30, plenty of time. And the kids wouldn't have handled 3 hours in that snow storm. Maybe an hour at the tops. Also, no news reports say he left "at the same time as JoVanna".
lemonmoussetart
12-16-2009, 12:15 AM
Smart Blonde, on this:
"Owings began babysitting for the Powells on Saturdays. Owings said she would bring her 9 year old and 17 year old children along when she tended the Powell boys. Joshua Powell often spent those Saturdays working on the home's back deck, and would teach the Owings children woodworking."
MY thoughts exactly when reading same (!). Why did they need a babysitter on Saturdays, especially if Dad was home?
smart blonde
12-16-2009, 12:17 AM
No pretty sure not involved. Susan needed a friend and help with the kids. Josh was/is incompetent.
But, in her first interview, JoVonna herself was saying what a good, responsible parent Josh is.
Something strikes me as odd about the whole JoVonna thing.
Ransom
12-16-2009, 12:19 AM
Excellent, informative article... thank you for posting!
Lots of interesting stuff in the article. Just a couple of things that really caught my eye (my comments will be in purple):
A quote from 'neighbor'/ friend JoVonna Owings (a.k.a 'crochet lady'):
"Susan is very energetic and enthusiastic. She is sort of like the Energizer Bunny", Owings said, "she was an excellent mother and wife. She took care of her family, house and husband, and often made meals from scratch". (It is interesting to me how she switched from the present tense to the past tense mid-way through this statement).
Also:
Owings began babysitting for the Powells on Saturdays. Owings said she would bring her 9 year old and 17 year old children along when she tended the Powell boys. Joshua Powell often spent those Saturdays working on the home's back deck, and would teach the Owings children woodworking. (Does anyone know if JoVonna Owings is married herself? Why would she be spending so much time babysitting at the Powell house is Josh was home on Saturdays? How many hours on Saturdays did he spend on that back deck, and how many Saturdays does it take to complete a deck? How close did these two possibly get? It just all sounds kind of 'cozy' to my suspicious little mind).
I may be way out there with this, but, is there a possibility JoVonna could be connected with Susan's disappearance? Josh and JoVonna?
Trying to be as tactful as possible, but have you watched the videos and seen this woman? She's about twice Josh's age. Gosh ... :banghead: AND the other woman (bff of Susan) Kiirsi is twice Josh's size. :snooty: that others keep trying to "link" to Josh.
omegagal
12-16-2009, 12:20 AM
Smart Blonde, on this:
"Owings began babysitting for the Powells on Saturdays. Owings said she would bring her 9 year old and 17 year old children along when she tended the Powell boys. Joshua Powell often spent those Saturdays working on the home's back deck, and would teach the Owings children woodworking."
MY thoughts exactly when reading same (!). Why did they need a babysitter on Saturdays, especially if Dad was home?
Have you ever seen a narcissist/psychopath watch their own children? My X had Social Services called on him by neighbors for letting his son play outside by himself at age 2 for extended periods of time. His then wife was working and he was "babysitting" his son.
Ransom
12-16-2009, 12:23 AM
Smart Blonde, on this:
"Owings began babysitting for the Powells on Saturdays. Owings said she would bring her 9 year old and 17 year old children along when she tended the Powell boys. Joshua Powell often spent those Saturdays working on the home's back deck, and would teach the Owings children woodworking."
MY thoughts exactly when reading same (!). Why did they need a babysitter on Saturdays, especially if Dad was home?
Because Dad was an idiot and couldn't be trusted? Because he tends to forget he's a DAD? Because Susan would prefer another MOM tending her kids when she's gone because dad is lame-o and a LOSER? Just guessing.
smart blonde
12-16-2009, 12:26 AM
Okay, okay, I'll drop it, lol! :truce:
I just had to put my suspicions on record, that's all!
(Hey, stranger 'romances' have happened. That's why they say love is blind).
omegagal
12-16-2009, 12:28 AM
But, in her first interview, JoVonna herself was saying what a good, responsible parent Josh is.
Something strikes me as odd about the whole JoVonna thing.
Yes and Mr. Cox doesn't think his son-in-law is capable of hurting his daughter and Santa is coming on the 25th.....
I think LE is telling them how/what/why to say everything.....
I wish the blogger whose husband worked with Susan would tell us those other things she said she knew.... Any one watching that blog for more information?
SuziQ
12-16-2009, 12:34 AM
OMG - they didn't know where to look for Danielle Van Dam either. She wasn't in the desert, but instead by a tree in Escondio. LE needs to set up massive search groups to find this young lady. I think she's closer to home to throw LE off track.
MOO
Mel
They actually did know where to search for Danielle Van Dam. Her killer got his motorhome stuck not far from where he left the body and had to call a tow truck to get him out. The tow truck driver put two and two together and called LE. LE found Danielle shortly after they started looking.
omegagal
12-16-2009, 12:39 AM
I have been wondering that too. Her home town is close to ft. lewis and Mccord air force base. I wonder if he could have been in the military.
If they both grew up in the church, it would not be unusual for him to be 10 years older, especially if he went on a mission from age 19 to 21, then to college (and I'm guessing on the 5 plus year plan). YSA (Young Single Adults) activity is where they met (ages 18 through 31). She would have been 20 and him 30. That would be about right. I don't think he was the kind of guy that women chased after exactly. Susan was naive, trusting and he swept her off her feet. I bet they were married within 6-8 months of meeting... (another typical pattern).
Texas Mist
12-16-2009, 12:44 AM
Smart Blonde, on this:
"Owings began babysitting for the Powells on Saturdays. Owings said she would bring her 9 year old and 17 year old children along when she tended the Powell boys. Joshua Powell often spent those Saturdays working on the home's back deck, and would teach the Owings children woodworking."
MY thoughts exactly when reading same (!). Why did they need a babysitter on Saturdays, especially if Dad was home?
I started to ask that same question, passionflower -- then I realized this is a dad who said it was 'normal' to roust 2 toddlers from their warm cozy beds in the wee hours of the morning, drive them into the desolate desert (where other guys w/ 4X4's wouldn't go!) in a snowstorm, in single digit temps to sleep in a van...even if it's a lie, it shows what he's capable of thinking of as 'OK'.
Now I get why Susan would want someone watching her kids....come to think of it, even if the opportunity would have been there, I would have *never* left my son w/ his immature, control freak, psycho dad....I got out before something bad happened....he was already doing things to bring risk to me & my son who was an infant at the time -- I really didn't feel safe, left & never looked back.
And come to think of it, as someone posted upthread, maybe Susan wanted her friend there for dinner because *she* didn't feel safe....I wonder if Susan's friend is just being kind by not mentioning some obvious tension in the air between the couple.
smart blonde
12-16-2009, 01:53 AM
I wonder where Josh is sleeping at night. Is he staying at his (and Susan's) house?
Does he still have the boys? Are reporters camped outside the house? Is his Father-In-Law staying with him?
I have so many little questions, let alone the big ones.
harleysnana
12-16-2009, 01:56 AM
Police on Tuesday obtained DNA samples from Joshua Powell in the search for
his missing wife.
West Valley City police Capt. Tom McLachlan said investigators have taken
DNA samples from multiple people in the search for 28-year-old Susan Powell,
and the warrant served Tuesday does not imply her husband is a suspect.
Does this make it sound like they had to get a warrant for his DNA?
If so... wonder if the other people made them get a warrant before giving
theirs?
Also.... DNA... hmmmm... wet spot?
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14000824
smart blonde
12-16-2009, 02:06 AM
Police on Tuesday obtained DNA samples from Joshua Powell in the search for
his missing wife.
West Valley City police Capt. Tom McLachlan said investigators have taken
DNA samples from multiple people in the search for 28-year-old Susan Powell,
and the warrant served Tuesday does not imply her husband is a suspect.
Does this make it sound like they had to get a warrant for his DNA?
If so... wonder if the other people made them get a warrant before giving
theirs?
Also.... DNA... hmmmm... wet spot?
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14000824
The words "warrant served" make it sound like it wasn't given voluntarily, to me.
I wonder who the "multiple people" who supplied DNA are?
harleysnana
12-16-2009, 02:09 AM
"He doesn't do a lot of talking. He mostly looks upset and confused and is
crying most of the time," Hellewell said.
She said she sat next to Josh Powell at church on Sunday and that he cried
through most of the service.
It was at that same church on Dec. 5 that the last known pictures of Susan
Powell were taken. The couple and their children attended a Christmas
breakfast, where one picture shows a smiling Josh Powell with a camera
hanging around his neck, talking with his children while his wife stands a few
feet away reaching for food.
"Susan and her family were very normal and seemed all happy to be there.
We actually talked to them quite a bit. Josh seemed really happy to be
there and he asked me to take a picture of he and the family, and yes, he
has the picture," wrote Mindy Kay Perry Guzman, who took the picture.
BBM
Sounds like he may be close to breaking!
..... this would be the last picture of Susan
WHY would he not give that out to the media? They could black
out the kids faces!
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705351731/Powell-attends-police-interview-Tues.html?pg=2
Ransom
12-16-2009, 02:13 AM
I wonder where Josh is sleeping at night. Is he staying at his (and Susan's) house?
Does he still have the boys? Are reporters camped outside the house? Is his Father-In-Law staying with him?
I have so many little questions, let alone the big ones.
Josh and the kids are staying with his sister Jennifer Graves and her husband.
Mr. Cox (Susan's dad and FIL to Josh) ... don't have a clue where he's staying but not with Josh and his family since he's only seen his grandbabies once.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0912/14/ijvm.01.html
COX: I talked with them by phone. I saw them on Saturday, and they appeared to be essentially unaware of the significance of anything and doing just fine, playing with their cousins.
nosylla
12-16-2009, 02:13 AM
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14000824 Police on Tuesday obtained DNA samples from JP in the search for his missing wife.
West Valley City police Capt.
"Investigators have taken DNA samples from multiple people in the search for 28-year-old Susan Powell, and the warrant served Tuesday does not imply her husband is a suspect."
"We hope to have him come in for a more extensive interview, but I don't know if a date or time as been set for that,"
""" according to several sources, JP is a "huge talker" whose hobbies include radio-controlled cars, gardening and landscaping.
According to court documents, JP filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy in April 2007 and listed more than $200,000 in credit card, furniture, student loan and other debts.
That debt put a stress on the couple's relationship, several sources told The Salt Lake Tribune.
Even before the bankruptcy, friends had counseled SP to leave her husband, who was "very, very controlling," according to R. M., who met the couple shortly after they wed in 2001.
"She had lots of people tell her to end it and get a divorce because it was not worth going through that kind of heartache," RM said. "But SP didn't want to give up on her marriage.""
Vegas Bride
12-16-2009, 02:32 AM
Smart Blonde, on this:
"Owings began babysitting for the Powells on Saturdays. Owings said she would bring her 9 year old and 17 year old children along when she tended the Powell boys. Joshua Powell often spent those Saturdays working on the home's back deck, and would teach the Owings children woodworking."
MY thoughts exactly when reading same (!). Why did they need a babysitter on Saturdays, especially if Dad was home?
I'm going to say something here and I hope no one gets upset, it is simply my observation since I moved to Utah and have been around many Mormon families, I am not saying this is the norm for all, but there are some families where the husband does not do any of the tending to young children. That is considered the wife's job!
One of my neighbors is a good example, she has 7 children, plus takes care of the home, there is never anything out of place! and she runs a daycare in the home also. the Stepford Wives are alive and well!
VB
harleysnana
12-16-2009, 02:42 AM
"The reason the no search is currently underway is due to the fact
there is not solid starting location."
"I am not at liberty to discuss what Law Enforcement has advised to do, or not do"
"There is no search being undertaken right now simply because the area is
too huge. The entire state of Utah and all the surrounding states and even
the ones next to those are possibilities"
This is in regards to someone’s suggestion that Susan's dad contact
Tim Miller.
It makes me sad.....
It sounds like they really have NO idea where she is.
IMO that means no cell phone pings... no gps....
In the only interview with Josh... when he first started talking about where
they went he said... "down south to"
Okay so all those familiar with Utah... where do we think the "to" is?
St. George?
Zions?
Las Vegas?
.....
IMO this is the biggest clue because right after that the reported said Moab
and he said no... the pony express trail.. and we all know that is not south!
eeyorelrn
12-16-2009, 03:05 AM
Trying to be as tactful as possible, but have you watched the videos and seen this woman? She's about twice Josh's age. Gosh ... :banghead: AND the other woman (bff of Susan) Kiirsi is twice Josh's size. :snooty: that others keep trying to "link" to Josh.
:eek: Hey hey hey hey hey... There aint nothing wrong with extra coushin for the pushin... Us big girls need love too.... And some of us are like a fine wine, we get better with age.... :p
mitzi
12-16-2009, 05:54 AM
The words "warrant served" make it sound like it wasn't given voluntarily, to me.
I wonder who the "multiple people" who supplied DNA are?
I'm thinkin' BIL-Graves, and maybe even JoVonna. This Jovonna thing is making me nuts...Isn't she the one who called Josh while he was still "missing", but she won't say what the conversation was? I know she's older and so, not a love interest, but what about Josh, with all his so called, "gregarious personality", becomes good friends with JoVonna...and she is more supportive of Josh than Susan. Josh tells JoVonna all his "problems" with Susan and because he is giving JoVonna all this attention, she begins to feel needed. Could she have had something to do with Susan's disappearance...in other words, helped Josh?
Melanie
12-16-2009, 06:20 AM
You know, you can't get away with murder these days. If he drugged her and threw the bottle away, they'll just find out who her doctors were and go after the drug records for matches. If he ordered them over the internet, there's a credit card trail. My only other thought on drug/poison, as an IT person, he may have had bottles of duster around. My hubby is a computer geek, and we keep it on the top shelf wayyyyy in the back (as my son has teen friends come over). If anyone watched the intervention show, a gal was addicted to the stuff, and it knocks you out pretty quick. When hubby uses it, I tell him to take the computer outside. I don't need all of us with drain bamage.
MOO
Mel
Just rambling thoughts....
Patty G
12-16-2009, 07:28 AM
December 16, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9QoHkVadkI
smart blonde
12-16-2009, 07:52 AM
I'm thinkin' BIL-Graves, and maybe even JoVonna. This Jovonna thing is making me nuts...Isn't she the one who called Josh while he was still "missing", but she won't say what the conversation was? I know she's older and so, not a love interest, but what about Josh, with all his so called, "gregarious personality", becomes good friends with JoVonna...and she is more supportive of Josh than Susan. Josh tells JoVonna all his "problems" with Susan and because he is giving JoVonna all this attention, she begins to feel needed. Could she have had something to do with Susan's disappearance...in other words, helped Josh?
Thank you, Mitzi! This is what I've been thinking.
I know from experience it happens. One of my best friends, who happens to be beautiful, smart, funny, a great mother- the whole package- was married to a guy we both went to high school with. After a few years of marriage, it turned out he was having an affair. Their marriage ended, and he married the 'other woman': Who just happens to be 18 years older than he is- and she looks it. She is not at all what you would call 'pretty'. She never had any children of her own, and has done her best to alienate him from the kids he has with my friend. None of us can understand the attraction he obviously must have for this woman, but now he's been married to her longer than he was married to my friend.
Believe me, it happens.
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