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LogicalMinds
12-21-2009, 09:15 PM
Actually the official definition is now "antisocial personality disorder"...

and many experts consider sociopath/psychopath to be one and the same

psychopath has often been used once a sociopath "crosses" the line to murder/violence

but now they use the both terms I think

here is a good article

Sociopath and psychopath
Terms for the same character disorder
http://www.lovefraud.com/01_whatsaSociopath/psychopath_or_sociopath.html

this seems to be a really good site : http://www.lovefraud.com

I will also post it on the abuse thread :) thanks

passionflower
12-21-2009, 09:16 PM
Thanks for posting info on the new abuse thread!

Texas Mist
12-21-2009, 09:17 PM
I am just getting over my divorce financially but have been working toward putting together a 12 week group support system for abused women in the church. Keep me in your prayers that I attain that goal. I'm taking Susan's situation personally. Even though I don't know her, I keep saying "What if I could have helped her!!" OMG, I'm sure that is what her family and friends must be going through times a million. It just breaks my heart!!

You're very special for stepping up to do this, omegagal....Women with deep religious convictions that are in abusive relationships need to know they can do more than just pray about it.

Patty G
12-21-2009, 09:18 PM
Comments sections often have a wealth of info. Sometimes, much better than the stuff thrown around on NG and the other tabloid-quasi-news-entertainment shows.

True, but we normally back things up with "fact" if we are going to say someone attended college here or there etc. Without proof, we have to take it as a "rumor" or interesting reading.

The link was posted for the article, that is why I asked where it stated in the news article where it indicated Josh attended college.

Texas Mist
12-21-2009, 09:19 PM
http://www.recovery-man.com/abusive/abusive_signs.htm

a list of abuse signs


sites like that would be one of the many reasons Josh would be so controlling of Susan's computer use.

hoppyfrog
12-21-2009, 09:19 PM
This is what Tricia (WS owner) says about posting rumors:

"If you are a local and you have heard a rumor that is not ridiculous post it clearly as a rumor.

"I won't check if you say you are a local. This is different than saying you know the family.

"If this doesn't work out because people start relying on rumors or repeating rumors as fact we will change it back [to no rumors allowed at all]."

And, as always, if you pick up a fact or a rumor from a media source, you must include a link to it.

Thanks,

Hoppy
mod

omegagal
12-21-2009, 09:22 PM
Actually the official definition is now "antisocial personality disorder"...

and many experts consider sociopath/psychopath to be one and the same

psychopath has often been used once a sociopath "crosses" the line to murder/violence

but now they use the both terms I think

here is a good article

Sociopath and psychopath
Terms for the same character disorder
http://www.lovefraud.com/01_whatsaSociopath/psychopath_or_sociopath.html

this seems to be a really good site : http://www.lovefraud.com

I will also post it on the abuse thread :) thanks
Love Fraud is an excellent site for more information. Yes, right now there is only one diagnosis in the DSM but the profession is working to have an additional classification because researchers are finding some distinct differences in the two. As well as classifications for children since they have avoided diagnosing children up til now. There are researchers that believe they can actually help children with these personality disorders if they are treated early enough. Right now, there are no treatments for personality disorders in the adult population.... see my earlier post on Schema Therapy.....

... also another great book "Snakes in Suits When Psychopaths Go To Work" by Robert Hare....

... or the video I, Psychopath which talks about the differences between ASPD and the Psychopath.... http://a.blip.tv/scripts/flash/showplayer.swf?file=http%3A%2F%2Fblip.tv%2Frss%2Ff lash%2F2281368%3Freferrer%3Dhttp%25253A%25252F%252 52Funrighteous-dominion.com%25252F%25253Fp%25253D358%26source%3D3&showplayerpath=http%3A%2F%2Fblip.tv%2Fscripts%2Ffl ash%2Fshowplayer.swf&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fproletariatheroes.blip.tv%2Fr ss%2Fflash&brandname=blip.tv&brandlink=http%3A%2F%2Fblip.tv%2F%3Futm_source%3Db randlink&enablejs=true

Patty G
12-21-2009, 09:30 PM
the purpose of my post w/ those 3 links was to backup the previous post I made today regarding that information...it's way upthread so you may have missed it.

It was not my intention to mislead anyone earlier, or now.

Apologies if I did.

No problem. I see you added "comments" to the news link. :) This will help anyone that comes along later on to read the posts.

I very rarely read the comment section of the news sites so that was why I asked where it was in the article. :)

passionflower
12-21-2009, 09:30 PM
Abusive relationships are characterized by extreme jealousy, emotional withholding, lack of intimacy, raging, sexual coercion, infidelity, verbal abuse, threats, lies, broken promises, physical violence, power plays and control games.

Abuse does not have to be physical.

Emotional abuse is as damaging as physical abuse, though it is often harder to recognize, and therefore to recover from. Emotional abuse causes long term self esteem issues and profound emotional repercussions for the partners of abusers. Abuse typically alternates with declarations of love and statements that they will change, providing a "hook" to keep the partner in the relationship.

Abusive relationships are progressive -

Abusive relationships get worse over time. Emotional and verbal abuse frequently shifts to more overt threats or physical abuse, particularly in times of stress. Abusers are generally very needy and controlling; the abuse escalates when they feel they may lose their partner, or when the relationship ends.


Abusers are often survivors of abuse themselves.
Many of the attributes of abusers are documented trauma based adaptations to childhood emotional, physical and sexual abuse. Abusers act out of deep seated shame and feelings of inadaquacy. They seek to pull thier partner down to make themselves feel better.

Abuse is a family dysfunction that repeats through generations. The abused becomes the abuser and so continues the cycle.

passionflower
12-21-2009, 09:31 PM
Joy is talking to Judge Pirro about Susan now!

SusanB
12-21-2009, 09:31 PM
Joy Behar talking about this case right now everyone.

darlin gal
12-21-2009, 09:35 PM
PRESS RELEASE
12/21/09
1000 PST
Contact: Shelby Gifford

Puyallup, WA: Chuck and Judy Cox, the parents of missing Utah mother Susan Powell, will attend the annual Washington State Santa Cops delivery event tonight. Each year, a few days before Christmas, dozens of off-duty law enforcement officers from the Pierce County area meet at a secret warehouse, load their patrol cars with new clothes, new toys and groceries and deliver them to unsuspecting families in need.

Washington State Santa Cops was started by Puyallup Police Officers Michael Gifford and Gary Shilley in 1993 and has grown from serving 12 families the first year to over 150pear year on average, with some years reaching into the mid-200 range. Chuck and Judy Cox and all their girls have worked with Santa Cops over the years. This year, Chuck and Judy have decided that attending delivery night to load up groceries and brightly wrapped packages will help them focus on the positive things in the world.

Delivery will occur at 6 PM this evening at the old Chrysler building in the 400 block of River Road in downtown Puyallup. We invite members of the media every year to ride along with a police officer while they make a delivery and encourage the same response this year. The past 60 days have been tragic for the law enforcement community in Western Washington and we hope tonight will be a night of finding joy in the service of others.

Patty G
12-21-2009, 09:37 PM
Issues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM5I8yfcImY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPu6cvLcinM

I don't record anything Joy Behar has regarding this case or any other case.

passionflower
12-21-2009, 09:39 PM
Anderson Cooper CNN 360.........covering story also

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/21/10000-reward-for-missing-utah-woman/

SusanB
12-21-2009, 09:40 PM
Nothing new and exciting. Same thing, no one believes the alibi.
Passion, your list is fantastic - I'm going to copy it because I have some friends who may be able to consider some of the factors on here.
Thanks so much all who have contributed to the forum here - I am sure these posts have enlightened a lot of people.:o

kiki the parrot
12-21-2009, 09:43 PM
I haven't been able to find the reason that her dad bought the phone for her.

It was stated in an article this was "in case of emergencies," and so Susan would always feel that she could reach out to them.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4591386&postcount=1)

I starte an abuse thread for all those that would like to add to it.
This is a bad time of year for allot of people.
Let's hope we can help someone out there.

Abusive Relationships:

...any of this remind us of some of these guys that kill their spouses???

(snipped for space) Thank you for starting the new thread to focus on or discuss this in depth. You provided a link to your individual post, but I thought I'd post a link to the thread for those members wishing to contribute or explore this in further detail.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

:parrot:

passionflower
12-21-2009, 09:48 PM
Nothing new and exciting. Same thing, no one believes the alibi.
Passion, your list is fantastic - I'm going to copy it because I have some friends who may be able to consider some of the factors on here.
Thanks so much all who have contributed to the forum here - I am sure these posts have enlightened a lot of people.:o

Please check the new thread I just started..........many are starting to post great stuff!
Omegagal.........can you post your graph wheel there???
TIA

passionflower
12-21-2009, 09:49 PM
oops

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


here's the link

omegagal
12-21-2009, 10:03 PM
Please check the new thread I just started..........many are starting to post great stuff!
Omegagal.........can you post your graph wheel there???
TIA
Posted a more detailed Power and Control Wheel...

passionflower
12-21-2009, 10:10 PM
http://unrighteous-dominion.com/?p=372

Susan Powell article

PLEASE LOOK AT HER PICTURE>>>>>>>>>>>HER HAIR IS SO THIN!!!!

poisen???

omegagal
12-21-2009, 10:20 PM
http://unrighteous-dominion.com/?p=372

Susan Powell article

PLEASE LOOK AT HER PICTURE>>>>>>>>>>>HER HAIR IS SO THIN!!!!

poisen???
Definitely seems to be physical or emotional stress related, doesn't it???

LE Santa baby, all I want for Christmas is an arrest made and evidence all lined up real pretty.....

Lipin One
12-21-2009, 10:36 PM
An anonymous donor is now offering a 10K reward for Susan!

I tell yah, this case is being handled somewhat different than similar disappearances.

For once, there hasn't been any searches.

Police say they don't know where to look.

What? In most cases like this police don't always know where to look, yet they still do.

I hope that at least they checked the garbage pickup in the area, just in case.

No reward for her whereabouts up until now?!

:waitasec:

omegagal
12-21-2009, 10:38 PM
Missing Mom's Father-in-law: My Son Has Been Made A Scapegoat

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/79861232.html?tab=video

SusanB
12-21-2009, 10:42 PM
Very interesting article! Now I guess the words out about their relationship. the words used in the article regarding the couple are very descriptive. Joshy must know by now that the gig's up - everyone knows that their marriage was not fine, that he was a control freak, that she was planning on getting a divorce, and that there IS motive for him to kill her knowing his sick twisted personality and abuse.:yuck:

Lipin One
12-21-2009, 10:43 PM
Missing Mom's Father-in-law: My Son Has Been Made A Scapegoat

Well, his father can say anything he wants, but one thing he ain't saying, "my son has told the truth."

SusanB
12-21-2009, 10:48 PM
Missing Mom's Father-in-law: My Son Has Been Made A Scapegoat

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/79861232.html?tab=video

Well, that's to be expected of Steven Powell. I'd be surprised if he said anything else.:innocent:

AmandaReckonwith
12-21-2009, 10:55 PM
PRESS RELEASE
12/21/09
1000 PST
Contact: Shelby Gifford

Puyallup, WA: Chuck and Judy Cox, the parents of missing Utah mother Susan Powell, will attend the annual Washington State Santa Cops delivery event tonight. Each year, a few days before Christmas, dozens of off-duty law enforcement officers from the Pierce County area meet at a secret warehouse, load their patrol cars with new clothes, new toys and groceries and deliver them to unsuspecting families in need.

Washington State Santa Cops was started by Puyallup Police Officers Michael Gifford and Gary Shilley in 1993 and has grown from serving 12 families the first year to over 150pear year on average, with some years reaching into the mid-200 range. Chuck and Judy Cox and all their girls have worked with Santa Cops over the years. This year, Chuck and Judy have decided that attending delivery night to load up groceries and brightly wrapped packages will help them focus on the positive things in the world.

Delivery will occur at 6 PM this evening at the old Chrysler building in the 400 block of River Road in downtown Puyallup. We invite members of the media every year to ride along with a police officer while they make a delivery and encourage the same response this year. The past 60 days have been tragic for the law enforcement community in Western Washington and we hope tonight will be a night of finding joy in the service of others.

Michael Gifford was one of the founding members. That is a great cause, how heartwarming.

Also I find it curious. Michael went to SLC with Chuck but stayed off the news, out of camera view.... and I wonder what he advised Chuck, knowing what he had to "know" being a cop and all.

AmandaReckonwith
12-21-2009, 11:03 PM
Well, that's to be expected of Steven Powell. I'd be surprised if he said anything else.:innocent:

I wonder if that same sort of abuse was a pattern with Steven and Terri's marriage too. She got out safely... or did she? She moved far away from Steven... all the way to SLC.

Not really asking, it is just interesting.

Texas Mist
12-21-2009, 11:04 PM
Very interesting article! Now I guess the words out about their relationship. the words used in the article regarding the couple are very descriptive. Joshy must know by now that the gig's up - everyone knows that their marriage was not fine, that he was a control freak, that she was planning on getting a divorce, and that there IS motive for him to kill her knowing his sick twisted personality and abuse.:yuck:

I just watched that video that omegagal linked -- I think his behavior at the vigil is pretty twisted....did you see Josh's "supporters" encircling him like he needed to be protected?

For crying out loud this was supposed to be a candlelight vigil for Susan & their candles were hidden -- completely ignoriing the symbolism.

Why even bother? (well, except for the fact that he could show Mr. Cox that he could - and would - do whatever he wanted, when he wanted.)

Angel Who Cares
12-21-2009, 11:07 PM
Adding new articles,videos etc. in one post for easy reference for everyone, as well as to make it easy to add to the next new thread....this one is getting a bit long I must say...hint hint!!! :wink:

$10K Reward In Utah Woman's Disappearance; Husband In Puyallup
Posted: 6:59 am PST December 21, 2009
Updated: 4:35 pm PST December 21, 2009
<snipped>
Her husband, who is considered a person of interest in her disappearance, was among more than 60 people who attended a vigil for her Sunday night in her parents' hometown in Puyallup.

Josh Powell's attorney, Scott Williams, said earlier in the day that Powell had left Utah with the couple's two young sons. Williams told The Associated Press in a text message that his client went to his father's house in Washington state for the holidays with his sons.

Powell is expected to stay in the state with his family through Christmas.

KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Gary Horcher said Powell came toward the end of the vigil, kept his distance from Susan's family and refused to speak to reporters.

Horcher said Powell's presence at the vigil confused Susan's family, who said they hadn't heard from Powell since he hired an attorney.

"We have had no contact with him. We don't know his plans. I didn't know he was coming," said Susan's father, Chuck Cox.

Video: Family Of Missing Woman Surprised By Husband's Visit
http://www.kirotv.com/video/22025412/index.html

PHOTOS 1-8: Missing Woman Susan Powell
http://www.kirotv.com/slideshow/news/21997645/detail.html

Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/22025134/detail.html
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Husband of missing West Valley woman has left Utah
Published: Sunday, Dec. 20, 2009 11:53 p.m. MST
<snipped>
Friend and fellow member of the Powells' LDS ward, John Hellewell, said he talked to Josh Powell about 30 minutes before a pair of candlelight vigils held by friends and family members in Washington and Utah to pray for the safe return of their "beloved Susan" began Sunday night.

"He was wanting details about the vigil in Washington — when and where it was," said Hellewell, 32, who was a home teacher with Josh Powell before Powell stopped attending church two years ago.

But many questioned why Josh Powell would leave for Washington during the height of the police investigation.

"One of the biggest problems Susan had was that (Josh) talked to his dad for hours, more than he talked to her," said Tim Peterson, a friend and member of the Powells' ward who has been vocal in the past about Josh Powell and once called police on him. "And now guess where he's at. He hasn't been formally charged, but he's not that far from the border to Canada now."

Hellewell said he knew Josh struggled with pressure from his family, especially his dad, Stephen Powell, about church.

"His dad is very against the church," Hellewell said. "His dad is always sending him anti-Mormon literature and I've heard stories from Josh and Susan that (Josh's) dad was always trying to break up their marriage."

Photo Gallery (16 photos):
http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/2219319.jpg

Article:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705352897/Husband-of-missing-West-Valley-woman-has-left-Utah.html
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Reward offered for information on Susan Powell
Published: Monday, Dec. 21, 2009 12:27 p.m. MST
<snipped>
An anonymous donor is offering a reward of $10,000 for original information that results in Susan Powell being found.

Josh Powell left Utah this weekend with his two young boys to spend the holidays in Washington. He attended the rainy vigil in Puyallup, as did Susan's grandparents, parents and siblings. Josh Powell did not speak to reporters gathered at the event.

He stood in a downpour surrounded by a tight group of supporters who shielded him from the media with umbrellas. His 4-year-old son, Charlie, accompanied him at the vigil and held a candle as many of Susan's friends and families stared at Josh in surprise, the Associated Press reported.

Article:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705353130/Reward-offered-for-information-on-Susan-Powell.html
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UPDATED: Josh Powell's Washington trip raises eyebrows
December 21, 2009
Last Update: 4:43 pm
<snipped>
John Hellewell who is a neighbor of the Powell's found out about the trip Sunday when Josh called him. His first concern was to find someone to "pet sit" his birds. "He just called me and said, 'I'm here staying at my Dad's house.' He said he was trying to get away from all the media attention," Hellewell said. When asked if he thought it was strange for Powell to leave when the fate of his wife was still unknown, he said, "I don't understand a lot of the things he does. So, it's hard to know what his reasoning was."

West Valley Police say because Powell is not a suspect, he is free to come and go as he pleases. But, Captain Tom McLachlan said his leaving does not help them find his wife. He said, "Distance probably doesn't really matter that much right now. But his public appearance and actions don't put him in a good light."

Video: Missing Mom's Husband Leaves Utah 12/21/09 02:35
West Valley police Captain Tom McLanahan talked Sunday about Susan Powell's husband Josh Powell leaving Utah. McLanahan said," I'm disappointed at it."
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95411@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Father of Kiplyn Davis speaks to ABC4 about disappearance of Susan Powell 12/19/2009 02:25
There's another Utah family tonight who can relate with what Susan's family is going through
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95403@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Police building case to solve missing mom mystery 12/18/09 2:48
Police now are building a case to help solve the disappearance of Susan Powell. Who that person is, police won't say.
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95402@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Powell family friend shares inside perspective 12/18/09 3:28
ABC4 asked a close friend of the Powells, the one who talked with Josh just days after Susan went missing, what he thought about Joshua's alibi, recent silence and something now in the spotlight: Josh and Susan's marriage.
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95385@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Susan Powell's family speaks as police serve a search warrant at her house 12/18/09 2:32
Susan Powell is not officially a victim of any crime. Her husband Joshua Powell is not a suspect. Still, the patience of police investigators is wearing thin over his alleged "lack of cooperation" in the search for his missing wife.
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95384@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Susan Powell's friends talk to Good Morning Utah 12/18/09 4:25
Two friends of missing mom, Susan Powell, sit down to share their stories with Marti Skold live on Good Morning Utah
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95383@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Forensic crews ramp up crime investigation at Powell home 12/17/09 1:38
Crime scene investigators re-entered the home of Josh and Susan Powell on Thursday, as the street surrounding a West Valley neighborhood was sealed off.
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95381@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Experts say controlling behavior is a warning sign for abuse 12/17/09 2:46
Susan Powell's family speaks with the media. They say there was no sign the missing mother was in danger. Others say she was in a controlling relationship.

Video: Susan Powell's family speaks out 12/17/09 2:14
The family of a Utah mother who has been missing for 10 days said Thursday they are saddened but not surprised that her husband has been named a person of interest in the investigation.
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95377@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Police suspect foul play in Susan Powell disappearance 12/17/09 3:28
Police say they suspect foul play in the disappearance of Susan Powell, who has been missing since December 6.
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95358@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Police and person of interest staying silent in case of Susan Powell 12/16/09 2:58
Josh Powell's defense attorney is keeping mum and police say his silence is hampering their investigation. We talked tonight with "ABC4's Crime Consultant" to gain some insight as to what's going on with the missing person investigation.
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95339@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Search continues for Susan Powell 12/15/09 3:10
More than a week after Susan Powell mysteriously vanished, friends, family and those touched by the story are still hoping to hear any new information about case.
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95317@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Missing mom's father talks to ABC 4 12/13/09 2:16
Charles Cox rifles through pictures of his daughter Susan Powell. For him it's been a rough six days since he learned that she went missing from her West Valley home.
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95298@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Outpouring of online support in the search for Susan Powell 12/12/09 2:18
It's not just Susan Powell's family, or those who know her well, showing concern tonight. There are several support networks growing online through facebook groups and blogs. ABC4 takes a closer look tonight at this outpouring.
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95294@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Missing WVC woman's husband speaks to ABC 4 News 12/11/09 1:31
Josh Powell, the husband of Susan Powell, spoke to ABC 4 News Thursday night. Susan has been missing since Sunday night.
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95285@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Candlelight vigil for missing West Valley Mom 12/11/09 4:04

http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95271@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Video: Missing West Valley woman update 12/10/09 1:49
ABC 4 News spoke with Susan Powell's father about her suspicious disappearance.
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95250@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Article:
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Josh-Powells-Washington-trip-raises-eyebrows/YMht8xWvVkideITAGsTQ3g.cspx
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Husband of missing Utah woman attends Puyallup vigil
Posted on December 21, 2009 at 6:53 AM
Updated today at 8:55 AM
<snipped>
"We’ve had no contact with Josh. We don’t know what his plans are," said Chuck Cox, Susan's father. "I didn’t know he was going to come up here.”

Powell and his son stood away from the main podium during the proceedings, and afterward remained silent for the most part, often surrounded by a wall of umbrellas erected by family friends.

Neither Cox nor Powell approached each other during the vigil, although two other relatives did talk to Josh in order to speak with the couple's son, family friends said.

Cox told KING-5 he would not attempt to speak with his son-in-law “unless he contacts me. I might call to ask if we can see the children or something. [But] there’s just too many things out there and … hopefully now that he’s back here around his parents, his dad, now that he has representation, maybe he’ll be comfortable enough that he’ll come forward with some verifiable story.”

Video: Husband of missing Utah woman attends Puyallup vigil 2:30
http://www.king5.com/video/featured-videos/Husband-of-missing-Utah-woman-attends-vigil-in-Puyallup-79816897.html

•Article: Family of missing Utah mom speaks out about husband
http://www.king5.com/news/Police-treating-missing-Utah-mom-as-criminal-case-79555532.html

•Video: Father of missing Utah woman
http://www.king5.com/video/raw/Raw-Father-of-missing-Utah-mother-speaks-79564587.html

•Family, friends of Susan Powell's Facebook group
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=198478842187

Article:
http://www.king5.com/news/Husband-of-missing-Utah-woman-attends-vigil-in-Puyallup-79816897.html
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Husband of missing WVC woman attends Washington vigil
December 21, 2009
Last Update: 12:01 pm
<snipped>
Friends who held a vigil last night at an LDS Chapel say they are shocked that he would leave the state instead of staying here trying to help find his wife.

Joshua Powell stood with his son, 4-year-old Charlie, in a chilly downpour Sunday night with dozens of others at the candle-lit vigil and spoke briefly with Susan's sister Denise. Reports say she asked how he and the boys are doing and asked Josh if he would talk to her about the recent events. She says he agreed to talk to her later.

Susan's parents walked right past Josh and didn't bother to talk to him. Susans father says his story just isn't adding up.

Josh Powell attends Susan Powell vigil
http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/1/b/8/1b84e3b0-b200-44e4-8716-7a47bc832337/Story.jpg

Josh Powell attends Susan Powell vigil
http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/8/6/d/86d0a677-35f3-48dd-9906-d606bfb60c2c/Story.jpg

Video: Husband of Missing WVC Woman Attends Washington Vigil 12/21/2009 1:50
"Person of interest" Joshua Powell traveled 900 miles with his two sons from Utah to make a surprise appearance at a vigil for his missing wife Susan Powell in Washington state last night.
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=95412@ktvx.dayport.com&navCatId=8

Article:
http://www.abc4.com/news/local/story/Husband-of-missing-WVC-woman-attends-Washington/Z1V-3va5hEuAa_7Z_jc62w.cspx
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Uncut Video: Full Joshua Powell Interview
http://connect2utah.com/media_player.php?media_id=97962
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Husband of missing Utah mother attends Wash. vigil
December 20th, 2009 @ 10:12pm
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Susan's husband Josh suddenly left Utah over the weekend. Although he's been called a person of interest by police, Josh Powell is legally free to leave the state.

He told friends he just wanted to get away from the media attention, but he missed an outpouring of support here for his missing wife.

Josh Powell evidently left Utah either Friday or Saturday and traveled to Washington to stay with his father. Friday and Sunday, a KSL news camera captured scenes of large items being removed from his home by friends or relatives.

"I don't know what his motives are. Maybe he just wanted to be with his family for a while but that was surprising to me," Kiirsi Hellewell said. "His story is already strange. It's already something that's hard to believe, so the whole circumstances around that are strange."

Police said his distance from Utah will make it more difficult to speak with him, but they do not have him under surveillance.

Audio: Andrew Adams reporting
http://real.ksl.com/video/slc/3/308/30817.mp3

Video Included In Article!

Article:
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=9097273
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Reward offered for information leading to Susan Powell's whereabouts
December 21st, 2009 @ 5:47pm
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Josh told friends he couldn't handle all of the attention he's had since Susan's disappearance.

Neighbor John Hellewell said, "He just told me he needed to get away from all the press and publicity. He wants to keep his kids away from it."

The media attention followed Josh to Washington. Josh attended a vigil for Susan last night, but he refused to speak with reporters. Susan's parents told reporters they were surprised to see Josh there and believe he knows more about what happened to her than he has told police.

Over the weekend, our photographers captured friends or family members moving large items out of the Powell home in West Valley. Friends say Josh told them he lost his job as a computer programmer for a trucking and warehouse company, and is no longer going to be able to pay his house payment.

There's no word on when he will be coming back to Utah, but police say they would like to interview him again soon.

McLachlan said, "Our contact, as far as the police department goes, has been limited by his association with his retaining an attorney, so that slows things down. It delays things."

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Audio: Marc Giauque reporting
http://real.ksl.com/video/slc/3/308/30824.mp3

*Video Included In Article!

Article:
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=9105519&nid=148
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Joshua Powell's dad: Son is being 'vilified'
Missing woman » Police say husband went to Washington state.
Updated: 12/21/2009 12:04:51 AM MST
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"The whole thing has just turned into a vilification of Josh and it will turn into a vilification of me, my ex-wife and my other kids," said Steven Powell, who spoke to The Salt Lake Tribune briefly through the partially open front door of his home Sunday.

"I'm not making any statement because it doesn't matter how benign it is or how supportive it is. Somebody will twist it around."

On Friday, the Coxes told The Salt Lake Tribune that Steven Powell isn't actively helping in the search for their daughter. The Coxes said they've had "issues" with Steven Powell in the past and aren't comfortable being around him.

He told Tribune reporters to "please just go and please do not come back." Asked whether he wants a chance to speak on behalf of Joshua Powell and explain the reasons why he thinks his son has been unfairly vilified, Steven Powell said, "I don't need to explain anything. There is nothing to explain."

Article:
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14037897?source=most_viewed
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Susan Powell's father 'couldn't really understand' why son-in-law was at vigil
Updated: 12/21/2009 12:05:07 PM MST
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"I heard that Joshua (the husband) had arrived," he wrote on the social networking Web site Facebook. "I saw this [sic] brother doing an interview, I couldn't really understand why Josh was there."

Cox wrote that Joshua Powell also brought his 4-year-old son and that he felt it would have been inappropriate for him to barge in on the Powell family. Joshua Powell was under an umbrella in the rain surrounded by family members to keep the media away from him.

"I just hope being here [at the vigil] will encourage Josh to help with the search," Cox said on Facebook.

Photos: West Valley Powell vigil
http://extras.sltrib.com/tribphoto/galleryPhotos.asp?GID=POWELb_1220109&sort=Gallery

Photos: Washington Powell vigil
http://extras.sltrib.com/tribphoto/galleryPhotos.asp?GID=WASHI_1220109&sort=Gallery

Article:
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14042094
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Why not talk to cops? It may not be guilt
Probe » Even innocent people have incentives to remain quiet.
Updated: 12/21/2009 12:04:24 AM MST
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Joshua Powell isn't the only Utah husband who won't help police solve a mystery.

In 1994, someone shot and killed Kimberly Evans at the mouth of Butterfield Canyon in Herriman. Her husband, Mark B. Evans, submitted to an interview with police shortly after the murder. Detectives grilled him hard. So hard he hasn't spoken to investigators since.

Medwed also said many defense attorneys will advise even innocent clients not to talk. Research has shown police, especially during high profile cases, develop what Medwed called "tunnel vision" where they latch onto once suspect and ignore evidence against others.

"I don't know what motivates people to not talk to police," Park said. "The obvious one is when they're guilty and trying to hide something."

Article:
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14038413

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Angel Who Cares
12-21-2009, 11:08 PM
Part 2:

Husband shows up at Washington vigil for missing wife Susan Powell
Utah » Friends keep hope alive at West Valley City candlelight vigil for Susan Powell.
Updated: 12/21/2009 06:09:46 AM MST
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Joshua Powell's departure to Washington State mystified some of Susan's friends, who are organizing volunteer search efforts in Utah.

"It's hard for us to understand that," said Kayla Reed, who arrived at the West Valley City vigil with a box of fliers to distribute. "I would be frantic if it were my husband. I wouldn't be leaving the state."

Susan Powell's husband, Joshua Powell, during a candle light vigil at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Ridgecrest building in Puyallup, Wash. on Sunday. Susan Powell has been missing since Dec. 7.
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Article:
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14039869?source=most_viewed
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Friends: Susan Powell was poised to leave husband
Disappearance » Police say they're doing DNA testing on evidence and still have leads in the case.
Updated: 12/21/2009 08:17:03 PM MST
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A year before she disappeared, Susan Powell told a wide circle of friends she was preparing for the worst if she sought a divorce: that her husband might try to kidnap their sons and break her financially.

She said she had set up a separate bank account, arranged a place to stay if she decided to leave, and had informally written a will, according to friends who requested anonymity because they are not authorized by police to speak about the investigation. And Susan Powell made sure many knew of her preparations.

Susan Powell ultimately decided to stay and work on the relationship after fasting and praying.

On Monday, there was no sign of an eminent break in what is still being called a missing persons case. Police said they were waiting for results from the state crime lab, which is testing DNA evidence taken from the couple's home five days ago.

"We're their top priority," said West Valley City Police Chief Thayle "Buzz" Nielsen.

McLachlan said he did not know of any financial motive, such as a life insurance policy, that could give anyone an incentive to harm her.

Article:
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14042094
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Reward Offered for Information on Whereabouts of Susan Powell
5:26 PM MST, December 21, 2009
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Police still want to question Josh since he was the last person to see Susan.

"We would still dearly love to have an interview with him and have an open request, invitation, whatever you want to call it...for him to do that," said McLachlan.

Police searched the area near Simpson Springs, where Josh said he took his two sons camping, but they found nothing.

Police also want to know more about a 24-hour period where Josh seemed to vanish. Two days after Susan disappeared and the day after police seized his van, FOX 13 has learned Josh rented a car and was not seen for a full day.

Video: Reward Offered for Information on Susan Powell 1:47
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-tivid-reward-susan-powell,0,1924999.tivideo

Video: Husband of Missing Utah Woman Leaves State
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-tivid-husband-missing-utah-woman-leaves-state,0,6317291.tivideo

Video: Candlelight Vigil Held for Susan Powell, Husband in Wash.
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-video-vigil-held-susan-powell-dec-2-,0,3216125.tivideo

Video: Candelight Vigil Held for Missing Utah Woman while Husband Leaves to WA
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-video-vigil-held-susan-powell-dec-20,0,3412736.tivideo

Video: Josh Powell Said to Have Rented Car, Disappeared Briefly During Investigation
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-video-j-powell-disappeared-briefly,0,2747285.tivideo

Video: Police Still Puzzled over Missing Utah Mom's Disappearance
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-video-police-still-puzzled-missing-wvc-mom,0,5196280.tivideo

Video: Police Seize More Evidence in Missing Utah Mom Case
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-tivid-more-evidence-missing-mom-case,0,3507174.tivideo

Video: Family, Friends of Susan Powell Continue Search after More than Week Missing
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-video-powell-family-continues-search-week-mor,0,5123840.tivideo

Video: WVC Police Serve Another Search Warrant at Powell Home
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-video-wvc-police-serve-another-search-warrant,0,3147430.tivideo

Video: Powell Family: 'Not a Suprise' Josh is Person of Interest
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-video-powell-family-friend-talks,0,2095325.tivideo

Video: Police Search Powell House Again for Evidence to Help Locate Susan
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-video-another-search-powell-home,0,7408333.tivideo

Video: Family of Missing Utah Mom Speaks Out on Husband
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-tivid-family-missing-utah-mom-speaks-husband,0,7605006.tivideo

Video: Brother-in-law Says Husband of Missing Woman May be Named as a Suspect
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-tivid-family-member-missing-woman-husband,0,1564197.tivideo

Video: Susan Powell's Husband "A Person of Interest" in Wife's Disappearance
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-video-susans-husband-person-of-interest,0,6486300.tivideo

Video: Husband of Missing Woman Hinders Search Investigation
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-video-husband-hinders-search-investigation,0,2134537.tivideo

Video: Police: Missing Utah Woman's Husband Slowing Down Investigation
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-tivid-missing-woman-husband-slowing,0,7872944.tivideo

Video: Police: Missing Utah Mom's Husband Hinders Search
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-tivid-police-missing-woman-husband-hinders,0,3239403.tivideo

Video: Interview: Husband of Missing WVC Woman, Josh Powell Speaks to FOX 13
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-video-raw-interview-josh-powell,0,3969436.tivideo

Video: Police Continue Search for Missing West Valley City Woman
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-video-police-continue-search-wvc-woman,0,5990706.tivideo

Video: Josh Powell with Brother-in-law, Press Conference (12.12.09)
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-video-josh-powell-brother-in-law-press-conf,0,3003648.tivideo

Video: Police Continue Search for Missing West Valley City Woman
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-tivid-police-continue-search-missing-woman,0,4873211.tivideo

Video: Where is Susan, WVC Police Search Home for Clues
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-video-police-search-for-wvc-mother,0,5504359.tivideo

PHOTOS: Search for Susan Powell
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-susan-powell-search-pg,0,3213718.photogallery

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Article:
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-reward-susan-powell,0,2594017.story
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Father of Missing Utah Woman's Husband Defends Son
4:50 PM MST, December 21, 2009
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"The whole thing has just turned into a vilification of Josh and it will turn into a vilification of me, my ex-wife and my other kids," Steven Powell said through the partially open front door of his home. "I'm not making any statement because it doesn't matter how benign it is or how supportive it is. Somebody will twist it around."

Susan Powell's father, Charles Cox, wrote on a Facebook page for friends and family that he didn't understand why Josh was at the vigil.

"I heard that Joshua (the husband) had arrived," he wrote in the posting. "I saw this (sic) brother doing an interview, I couldn't really understand why Josh was there."

Cox and Josh Powell have barely spoken since Susan Powell was reported missing, although Cox has defended Josh Powell as a good father.

A message left with Josh Powell's attorney, Scott Williams, was not immediately returned Monday.

Video: Reward Offered for Information on Susan Powell 2:57
http://www.fox13now.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=38b29a69-4534-4254-ad80-74c550a44474&src=front

Article:
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-ap-josh-powells-father-defends-son,0,2367832.story
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Susan Powell told friends of fears, struggles before her disappearance
Disappearance » Police say they're doing DNA testing on evidence and still have leads in the case.
Updated: 12/21/2009 08:55:03 PM MST
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"We have an open, standing request, or if you want to call it an invitation, for him to come speak to us," said Capt. Tom McLachlan.

Yet McLachlan said the investigation is "far from a standstill. We have a lot of stuff we're looking at."

Friends said they told her the relationship wasn't healthy and confirm that they encouraged Susan Powell to leave her husband, whom they have described as controlling and emotionally abusive. A friend has said Susan Powell was at one point poised to return to Washington with the aid of her parents.

Joshua Powell, 33, was upset his wife was depositing money into an account he didn't have access to, said friends who added that they encouraged Susan to stand up to him. Family members have said the couple got marital counseling at Susan Powell's urging.

Article:
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14042094
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Police ask why Powell drove so far in rental car
Published: Monday, Dec. 21, 2009 9:03 p.m. MST
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A car rented by Josh Powell two days after his wife was reported missing was returned just 24 hours later with a lot of miles on it, according to police.

"It looks like there were several hundred miles driven," West Valley Police Capt. Tom McLachlan told the Deseret News.

Investigators do not know where the car was taken or where Josh Powell was during that 24-hour period. There was no GPS data stored in that rental car, said McLachlan, who declined Monday to say from where the vehicle was rented.

Article:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705353130/Police-ask-why-Powell-drove-so-far-in-rental-car.html
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Questioning family never easy, but necessary, say police in Susan Powell case
Searches often begin with difficult inquiries at home
Published: Monday, Dec. 21, 2009 9:04 p.m. MST
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For nearly two weeks, West Valley police have said they would like more detailed answers from Josh Powell regarding questions they have about his missing wife, Susan Powell.

He has been interviewed three times and submitted to a DNA search warrant. But police say he is still uncooperative, even though Powell and his attorney, Scott Williams, say they are working with authorities.

Investigators would like more specific answers to questions such as exactly where Josh says he went camping with his two young sons the night Susan disappeared. They also have questions about a rental car that was returned 24 hours after Josh rented it, with hundreds of new miles on it.

Ed Smart (Elizabeth Smart's father) said he had dinner with Chuck Cox, Susan Powell's father, when he was in Utah last week, and has spoken to him again on other occasions. He said Cox mostly had questions such as "How do you get through this?" and "What's the most important thing to do?"

"I think he's done everything he can possibly do. It's incredibly painful to the family," Smart said. "They just want to find Susan."

Article:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705353238/Questioning-family-never-easy.html
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VIDEO: Dad Of Missing Utah Woman Wants 'Credible Story' From Son-In-Law
http://www.kirotv.com/video/22031097/index.html

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omegagal
12-21-2009, 11:13 PM
I just watched that video that omegagal linked -- I think his behavior at the vigil is pretty twisted....did you see Josh's "supporters" encircling him like he needed to be protected?

For crying out loud this was supposed to be a candlelight vigil for Susan & their candles were hidden -- completely ignoriing the symbolism.

Why even bother? (well, except for the fact that he could show Mr. Cox that he could - and would - do whatever he wanted, when he wanted.)
I also noticed either in this video or the other video of last night's Washington vigil, that as soon as the camera starts getting close to the 4 year old's face, Joshy boy starts to put his hand near the child's mouth and then starts to cover it. Eerie.... looks like he wants to control his son from saying anything to the camera man... Anyone else notice that???

kiki the parrot
12-21-2009, 11:15 PM
IMO it's rude, insensitive and well just plain bizarre for JP to bother attending a vigil organized by his missing wife's family in their church--of which his own father so strenuously disapproves--in his missing wife's father's community, and then neither communicate w her family nor speak to this broken father, nor offer any solace, support, comfort nor reassurance to her family nor afford his FIL any opportunity to hold nor speak w his grandson... honestly it just seems sadistic I mean seriously, what was the point. JMO

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Isabelle
12-21-2009, 11:29 PM
I just watched that video that omegagal linked -- I think his behavior at the vigil is pretty twisted....did you see Josh's "supporters" encircling him like he needed to be protected?

For crying out loud this was supposed to be a candlelight vigil for Susan & their candles were hidden -- completely ignoriing the symbolism.

Why even bother? (well, except for the fact that he could show Mr. Cox that he could - and would - do whatever he wanted, when he wanted.)

I think Josh went to the vigil so that he could be "in the know" as to what others were saying, or to prevent anything from being said.

SuziQ
12-21-2009, 11:29 PM
I tell yah, this case is being handled somewhat different than similar disappearances.

For once, there hasn't been any searches.

Police say they don't know where to look.

What? In most cases like this police don't always know where to look, yet they still do.

I hope that at least they checked the garbage pickup in the area, just in case.

No reward for her whereabouts up until now?!

:waitasec:

There was a search of a good size area around the Simpson Springs campground. LE and communities have come to realize that the large organized searches usually do not have a positive result. There is also liability involved, people get hurt and evidence can be destroyed. Personally I think the weather is too dangerous right now, not to mention the avalance danger is at extreme right now.

kiki the parrot
12-21-2009, 11:38 PM
The "Pony Express Trail" or even "Simpson Springs" (as if he was being forthright lol) is hardly "narrowing it down" for LE. JP has refused to accompany LE there, even to verify where it was he claims he took the boys camping... so I guess searches under these sort of vague and intentionally misleading circumstances wouldn't be too fruitful... but that's only because JP is being absolutely worthless.

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kiki the parrot
12-21-2009, 11:41 PM
No GPS in rental...

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Texas Mist
12-22-2009, 12:00 AM
I think LE just squeezed a little harder

They also have questions about a rental car that was returned 24 hours after Josh rented it, with hundreds of new miles on it.


hmmm...wonder if Joshy has already asked his atty if he should fight extradition back to Utah once the arrest warrant is served???

LogicalMinds
12-22-2009, 12:01 AM
I agree with Kiki...

there is simply NO way to know where to search...and no reason to search blindly, risking lives in the harsh weather...

when LE has reasonable tips/lead/evidence to search in a given area they do go all out...look at the long long search of the landfill for Lori Hacking

but here Josh could have driven in any direction....look at the radius around where they lived...maybe 100, 150 mile circle...impossible

Josh has the answers...just when will he give them up?? I am just sick that the boys are with him

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Angel who Cares...thanks so much for all your hard work, that is a great way for us to be able to find the info/lmedia

and when we feel like:puke:

we can watch Josh in the "blue hat" as he hems, haws and ...
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omegagal
12-22-2009, 12:06 AM
A forensic psychiatrist, Dr. Michael Welner, recently billed $500,000 for evaluating the competency of Brian David Mitchell. He found him competent to face trial. He believes Mitchell suffers from pedophilia, an antisocial personality disorder, psychopathy, malingering (faking an illness to avoid prosecution) and a narcissistic personality disorder. But he does not have a delusional disorder or psychotic mental illness, Welner said.

I think that Scott Williams is on the scene because they know they have enough evidence to lock away or fry Joshy. Interesting that Williams represented the wife, Wanda Barzee. She was not found competent to stand trial. I'd like to know what Dr. Welner has been doing lately and if he's been hanging around SLC lately.

Here's an article about him:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705349810/Brian-David-Mitchell-stalked-other-girls-doctor-says.html?pg=1

Wow, I just read his Wiki entry. The guy's brilliant....

The Depravity Scale

Dr. Welner has pioneered a multilayered effort to achieve scientific-legal standardization of evil crimes and everyday evil acts. The Depravity Scale research, as it is known, is the first such research to incorporate forensic science, law, and public input; it constitutes the first criminal sentencing research to incorporate public opinion.[12] Through the Depravity Scale research, Dr. Welner has used public web-based surveys to weave public consensus into an evidence-driven Depravity Standard for distinguishing heinous crimes that warrant more severe punishment from those that do not.[13]

Dr. Welner has also devised the WIEEO (Welner Inventory of the Everyday Extreme and Outrageous), a standard for application in clinical psychotherapy to distinguish everyday evil and intent that warrant clinical attention.

Texas Mist
12-22-2009, 12:10 AM
Angel, bless your heart -- do u ever sleep?? ((hugs))

SusanB
12-22-2009, 12:22 AM
So LE has looked at the rental car that Josh took off in for 24 hours. It had HUNDREDS of miles on it? Where did he go? No GPS on it? Too bad. He must have had to get gas somewhere if he went hundreds of miles - got to get security camera video tapes, folks! That may help pinpoint where he placed the body, as I am sure he went back to the scene in that rental car.:waitasec:

Texas Mist
12-22-2009, 12:35 AM
<snip> from Angel's link ( http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14042094 )

She said she had set up a separate bank account, arranged a place to stay if she decided to leave, and had informally written a will, according to friends who requested anonymity because they are not authorized by police to speak about the investigation. And Susan Powell made sure many knew of her preparations.

Susan Powell ultimately decided to stay and work on the relationship after fasting and praying.

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Joshua Powell, 33, was upset his wife was depositing money into an account he didn't have access to, said friends who added that they encouraged Susan to stand up to him. Family members have said the couple got marital counseling at Susan Powell's urging.




I *knew* Josh would be pizzed about her having $$ he couldn't get his hands on!! :furious: (Are jerks like this easy to peg or not.)

Susan wrote her own will -- that makes me wanna cry. :(

Guess she really did have some serious threats made.

:(

omegagal
12-22-2009, 12:48 AM
<snip> from Angel's link ( http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14042094 )

She said she had set up a separate bank account, arranged a place to stay if she decided to leave, and had informally written a will, according to friends who requested anonymity because they are not authorized by police to speak about the investigation. And Susan Powell made sure many knew of her preparations.

Susan Powell ultimately decided to stay and work on the relationship after fasting and praying.

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Joshua Powell, 33, was upset his wife was depositing money into an account he didn't have access to, said friends who added that they encouraged Susan to stand up to him. Family members have said the couple got marital counseling at Susan Powell's urging.




I *knew* Josh would be pizzed about her having $$ he couldn't get his hands on!! :furious: (Are jerks like this easy to peg or not.)

Susan wrote her own will -- that makes me wanna cry. :(

Guess she really did have some serious threats made.

:(
We're getting more and more details of this relationship and how Susan was trying to deal with it.... It saddens me so much to know she went through all of this.... If Susan was told through fasting and prayer to stay, I want to know why??? Why would a just God let this happen to her.... I'm going to sleep. Hopefully we'll have some real answers soon...

Amster
12-22-2009, 01:10 AM
We're getting more and more details of this relationship and how Susan was trying to deal with it.... It saddens me so much to know she went through all of this.... If Susan was told through fasting and prayer to stay, I want to know why??? Why would a just God let this happen to her.... I'm going to sleep. Hopefully we'll have some real answers soon...

If Susan was killed....the blame lies with her killer....not God. IMO

DomCasual
12-22-2009, 01:15 AM
We're getting more and more details of this relationship and how Susan was trying to deal with it.... It saddens me so much to know she went through all of this.... If Susan was told through fasting and prayer to stay, I want to know why??? Why would a just God let this happen to her.... I'm going to sleep. Hopefully we'll have some real answers soon...

Well, I don't think a just God gets into the habit of interfering with his children's free agency. Josh Powell apparently exercised his free agency in an evil way. I think a loving Heavenly Father was probably deeply saddened that one his children would make such a decision - especially as it concerns another one of his children.

Fortunately (perhaps unfortunately, for Josh), there will be justice - both temporal, and eternal.

darlin gal
12-22-2009, 01:39 AM
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Susan
To light a virtual candle and leave a message of support or prayer for Susan, click the link and find an unlit candle. Click on an unlit candle and follow the directions.
Candles stay lit for 48 hours and you can light as many as you like.

sunflowerchick
12-22-2009, 01:43 AM
Ok so here is what I was thinking, and trust me, this isn't what I really believe. I am just playing devil's advocate here...

This rental car was during the time that police had the family van in for searching, so that right there would give Josh a plausible excuse for renting the car.

Now my situation is somewhat unique, but I drive a lot and I could easily put at least 200 miles on a car within a 24 hour period. This is because I live somewhat outside of the city, and I play taxi to children as well as working and school.

Does anyone think that Josh could use this type of behavior to explain away mileage? For example, if he still wants to claim dabbling in real estate, he could say I had to drive to such and such to check out a couple of houses. Since I live in Utah, I can tell you that a few trips to south Utah County and back from where Josh lives would easily rack up miles. It is 30-50 miles one way depending on where you are going, and there are residents who make these drives on a daily basis.

Again, this isn't what I really think, but I thought I would throw this out there, because I don't think the rental car will do any good unless LE can tell where it was. Without GPS, my hope in this is fading...

Mind student
12-22-2009, 01:47 AM
I hope that I am wrong, but is the police dept working of the Susan Powell case from West Valley City, not SLC?

It is heartbreaking that stories like this keep being repeated, and precious lives are changed forever.

Does anyone know if there is any way to tell how far
a vehicle has traveled in recent days or weeks? I do hope they did a thorough check of his van.

One other thing that seems out of place, is that two little boys can travel 900 miles in a day. As a parent I cannot
imagine trying to drive and care for them at the same time.
Something does not seem right.

God bless the little boys and Susan's parents.

Mindstudent

smart blonde
12-22-2009, 02:15 AM
IMO it's rude, insensitive and well just plain bizarre for JP to bother attending a vigil organized by his missing wife's family in their church--of which his own father so strenuously disapproves--in his missing wife's father's community, and then neither communicate w her family nor speak to this broken father, nor offer any solace, support, comfort nor reassurance to her family nor afford his FIL any opportunity to hold nor speak w his grandson... honestly it just seems sadistic I mean seriously, what was the point. JMO

:parrot:
I agree, kiki!

It's almost as if Josh was thumbing his nose (or flipping them off) without having to raise his arm.

Showing up at the vigil in Washington was the type of thing Drew Peterson would do.

kiki the parrot
12-22-2009, 02:19 AM
Ok so here is what I was thinking, and trust me, this isn't what I really believe. I am just playing devil's advocate here...

This rental car was during the time that police had the family van in for searching, so that right there would give Josh a plausible excuse for renting the car.

Now my situation is somewhat unique, but I drive a lot and I could easily put at least 200 miles on a car within a 24 hour period. This is because I live somewhat outside of the city, and I play taxi to children as well as working and school.

Does anyone think that Josh could use this type of behavior to explain away mileage? For example, if he still wants to claim dabbling in real estate, he could say I had to drive to such and such to check out a couple of houses. Since I live in Utah, I can tell you that a few trips to south Utah County and back from where Josh lives would easily rack up miles. It is 30-50 miles one way depending on where you are going, and there are residents who make these drives on a daily basis.

Again, this isn't what I really think, but I thought I would throw this out there, because I don't think the rental car will do any good unless LE can tell where it was. Without GPS, my hope in this is fading...

(bbm) Hey sfc, Josh can say w/e Josh wants, LE isn't gonna take his word for anything at this point tho. If possible given recent snow conditions, I'm sure they would've done a soil analysis on tires of van seized. I'm sure they've checked w car rentals to determine if he'd rented any loaners prior to seizing van--if something else might've been driven for disposing eg. I'm sure they have radius/circumpherence mapped out based on exact mileage shown for rental. And not that it would've probably done any good, but I'm sure they've been kicking themselves if they in fact weren't able to install GPS in time on the car he rented... maybe daddy took care of arranging rental?

I hope that I am wrong, but is the police dept working of the Susan Powell case from West Valley City, not SLC?

It is heartbreaking that stories like this keep being repeated, and precious lives are changed forever.

Does anyone know if there is any way to tell how far
a vehicle has traveled in recent days or weeks? I do hope they did a thorough check of his van.

One other thing that seems out of place, is that two little boys can travel 900 miles in a day. As a parent I cannot
imagine trying to drive and care for them at the same time.
Something does not seem right.

God bless the little boys and Susan's parents.

Mindstudent

(bbm) It is West Valley City PD, but I'm sure they also have assistance from other outlying LE agencies, and even WA has reportedly been cooperating.

And WA is quite a distance by car--if that' how JP and the boys travelled. Since JP's dad (SP) was in Utah, they could've feasibly shared the driving back to WA--and traveling w little ones by car overnite you could knock out half of that while they were sleeping. Not easy, but not impossible to do non-stop w two drivers... and lots of snacks, toys etc.

Yes we have seen a constant stream of beautiful wives and mothers so senselessly struck down... there was Nicole, and Laci, and Stacey, and Michelle, Lisa and I could go on and on but even these are but putting a face on thousands more that remain faceless, at times even nameless. Prayers for Susan's little boys, family and loved ones... what a difficult Christmas this will be for her entire family. God bless and comfort them all.:prayer:

:parrot:

Taminator
12-22-2009, 02:20 AM
No GPS in rental...

:parrot:

I was reallllllly disappointed to read that there was no GPS tracking in the rental car. However, I wonder if they could take the mileage and by using that, narrow down where she could possibly be.

For instance, if the total miles he put on the rental was 450 miles, they could go 450 miles to the N,S,E,W and encompass a "give or take" area within that radius. IOW, they could do a search 450 miles to the North and search in a 3 mile radius. Then so on and so forth with the other directions.

Is anyone following me or have I been up too late?

harleysnana
12-22-2009, 02:21 AM
<snip> from Angel's link ( http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14042094 )
(

A comment from this link at 12/21/2009 11:56 pm:

"Joshua Powell to confess to killing wife.

Josh is spending a few days with his family before turning himself into
authorities in Utah. He plans to confess to her murder and to lead authorities
to her body shortly after Christmas according to a source close to the Powell family.

“Josh’s main concern is for the boys and having a chance to see his family
before turning himself in. He plans on leaving the boys with his family when
he returns to Utah.” the source stated.

Remember, you read it here first."

I hope this is true!

Curious Me
12-22-2009, 02:24 AM
Dom - That's VERY observant on your part. Most women do not have a "name" for what they are going through. I have found that time and time again. They didn't know WHAT it was they were going through... only that it wasn't normal. The abuser psychologically tries to put the victim in a state that they start to really wonder what's going on in their own reality. It's called "crazymaking". You are so right..... I'm certain a lot of people did not know what it was that Susan was going through. What I would like to see is that when a woman does go to her bishop (add any church leader in any religion) that the bishop is able to determine after just 3 or 4 sessions that the woman needs to see a professional counselor that can then determine if this is an abuse issue. Once a woman "names" what she is going through... and only then... can progress be made. Honestly, I applaud you for recognizing that people didn't know... what it was that was happening to Susan....

So thankful this is being discussed. Crazymaking, keeping someone off-balance one way or another on a continuous basis is definitely what is done to manipulate you, and used often by abusers and narcissists. They can make you feel guilty you did something wrong on a daily basis. They can start a fight (on purpose) then storm out leaving you crying all night while they are actually having fun doing what they intended to do, and you feel guilty somehow. It's especially useful if there's a religious belief by the victim that one should love unconditionally and have endless forgiveness and patience.

Abused people are usually ashamed to tell anyone what's going on. Sometimes the abuse is not so much physical as mental which makes the victim of abuse unable to see the reality of the controlling manipulation they are under or to find a way out.

I guess the only thing you can do is be the kind of friend that is real enough that others find it easy to open up to you.

Someone like Josh could easily have kept Susan off-balance without actually beating her. Believe me, narcissists often think it's fun to push someone else's buttons diabolically, and have a secret smirk. It makes me sick that Susan was trying so hard in her marriage when Josh was possibly planning her demise.

"Here Dear, I made you these nice pancakes and juice because I'm such a loving husband."

smart blonde
12-22-2009, 02:34 AM
A comment from this link at 12/21/2009 11:56 pm:

"Joshua Powell to confess to killing wife.

Josh is spending a few days with his family before turning himself into
authorities in Utah. He plans to confess to her murder and to lead authorities
to her body shortly after Christmas according to a source close to the Powell family.

“Josh’s main concern is for the boys and having a chance to see his family
before turning himself in. He plans on leaving the boys with his family when
he returns to Utah.” the source stated.

Remember, you read it here first."

I hope this is true!
Oh, how I hope it is true, too.

Curious Me
12-22-2009, 02:50 AM
Dom - Domestic Violence is not a marital problem and shouldn't be treated as such. It's very dangerous to put a couple into "marital/couples counseling" when there is abuse suspected. Marital counseling assumes that there are issues with both individuals that jointly worked with, can enhance and improve the marriage. Here is a link to a copy of a report written by a licensed clinical psychologist listing the reasons why marital counseling should never be used in a suspected abusive marriage, it's very interesting folks:

http://unrighteous-dominion.com/?p=105

Thank You for the above article link. I agreed with all the reasons why a couple in a domestic violence/abuse pattern should not go to general marriage/couples counseling, but see a Domestic Abuse Counselor. But would Susan define her husband as abusive, or would she see it as more of a controlling problem. Seeking out an Domestic Violence counselor would mean she'd have to see it as that. Did she? I guess that's the shocking part so far, kinda like Scott Peterson, Josh isn't a beat her up kind of guy. No, they don't seem that dangerous then up and kill their loving wife.

lemonmoussetart
12-22-2009, 03:10 AM
A comment from this link at 12/21/2009 11:56 pm:

"Joshua Powell to confess to killing wife.

Josh is spending a few days with his family before turning himself into
authorities in Utah. He plans to confess to her murder and to lead authorities
to her body shortly after Christmas according to a source close to the Powell family.

“Josh’s main concern is for the boys and having a chance to see his family
before turning himself in. He plans on leaving the boys with his family when
he returns to Utah.” the source stated.

Remember, you read it here first."

I hope this is true!

Another disappearing post, but the "Remember, you read it here first" among other aspects reeks of a troll to me.

lemonmoussetart
12-22-2009, 03:31 AM
http://unrighteous-dominion.com/?p=372

Susan Powell article

PLEASE LOOK AT HER PICTURE>>>>>>>>>>>HER HAIR IS SO THIN!!!!

poisen???

any idea of the date of this photo? also looks as if she may have gotten a current style/razor cut do. then decided to curl it.

lemonmoussetart
12-22-2009, 03:46 AM
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Susan
To light a virtual candle and leave a message of support or prayer for Susan, click the link and find an unlit candle. Click on an unlit candle and follow the directions.
Candles stay lit for 48 hours and you can light as many as you like.

NICE darlin! Hope family and friends of Susan know about this

Openmyeyes
12-22-2009, 05:35 AM
I think this is the story Texas Mist referred to...

http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_14039869

I've been slow to catch up on this case - managed to read through all three threads last night.

Something I'm still fascinated with is the "sneer" in the blue-cap interview. If I remember correctly, I've heard body language profilers say that the lip will often curl back when a person is recalling something that disgusted them. JP does have that "mouth-breather" appearance about him -- and maybe I'm imagining things, but when watching the uncut interview it seems to me he really prominently pulls back his lip at a couple of different points (and it happens at times when he is *not* speaking - just as reactionary expressions)... see what you think:

http://connect2utah.com/content/video/?cid=67882

Watch how both corners of his lips curl back at [2:05] at the mention of "your wife" by the interviewer, then again at [2:52] at the mention of the the words "foul play". (I can only imagine what could have been running through his head on the topic of "foul play".)

One more observation about this footage... I get heebie-jeebies at [5:10] when JP says: "I'm just trying to figure out what I can do.. and... Both to try to find her and to take care of life in general." (Italics added for emphasis)

The way say he says "BOTH"..."AND"... seems as if he is treating "take care of life in general" as mutually exclusive of "find her". In his mind, he's drawing a contrast between finding her and life, IMO.

Okay, I am just catching up after a long night at work, and baking cookies....

This is a very astute observation. It clearly shows why this guy gives us all the heebies.

Its amazing what is coming out.

I can't believe the tool went to the vigil, either. He just butted in! Everyone would have understood if he stayed home and waited by the phone or took a few of his friends and family out looking for Susan.

He can't take care of the kids, or take care of himself, thats why he's there.
What purpose did it serve, other than making everyone more suspicious of him, to go to the vigil.

Now, I will go back to page 33 and continue reading.

Openmyeyes
12-22-2009, 06:51 AM
Interesting -- no big frown on Josh's face -- at least what they're showing... does anybody else think his face looks more relaxed in the video here?

http://www.king5.com/news/Husband-of-missing-Utah-woman-attends-vigil-in-Puyallup-79816897.html

Shades of Scott Peterson?

Powell and his son stood away from the main podium during the proceedings, and afterward remained silent for the most part, often surrounded by a wall of umbrellas erected by family friends.

Scottie boy stood away from the main podium during Laci's vigil, also. Instead, he opted to chat and laugh with friends and spoke with some of the children attending. See picture here:

http://www.findlaci2003.us/evidence-pictures-trial4.html

Even tho Josh isn't smiling, he's going thru the motions.

**********************************************

On Christmas Eve it will be 7 years since Laci Peterson was murdered. Laci was all about family and friends, and I believe that Laci's love for her friends spread out thru the world. When Laci's search began I came to Websleuths and I have been here ever since. God Bless Laci and Conner, and all the friends that I have made here.

Patty G
12-22-2009, 09:30 AM
December 21st, 2009 @ 11:02pm
Police: Husband put hundreds of miles on rental car days after wife went missing

WEST VALLEY CITY - It's been two weeks since anyone last saw Susan Powell. Now police are questioning why her husband, Josh Powell, put several hundred miles on a rental vehicle just days after she went missing.

The Deseret News also reports that there is no GPS data stored in the car, so there is no way to track where it went. The only person who would know that is Josh Powell, and he is still not being very open with police.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9105519

LadyBug99
12-22-2009, 09:55 AM
December 21st, 2009 @ 11:02pm
Police: Husband put hundreds of miles on rental car days after wife went missing

WEST VALLEY CITY - It's been two weeks since anyone last saw Susan Powell. Now police are questioning why her husband, Josh Powell, put several hundred miles on a rental vehicle just days after she went missing.

The Deseret News also reports that there is no GPS data stored in the car, so there is no way to track where it went. The only person who would know that is Josh Powell, and he is still not being very open with police.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9105519


So I guess that proves that LE was NOT following Josh. How sad! His wife is missing and he can just vanish for 24 hours and LE has no clue as to his whereabouts! My guess is that he went back to the location that he dumped Susan's body...to either check to see if he did a good enough job concealing it or perhaps to move it.

If my wife was missing, I would think that the LE would be tracking my every move. However Josh doesn't seem too bright. Sadly he could have gone back to where the body was and LE wasn't following him at all!

Patty G
12-22-2009, 09:58 AM
http://unrighteous-dominion.com/?p=372

Susan Powell article

PLEASE LOOK AT HER PICTURE>>>>>>>>>>>HER HAIR IS SO THIN!!!!

poisen???

It appears as though Susan has very fine hair. In some photos it looks fuller, probably because of a perm. My hair is the same way, baby fine and unless I get a perm and have some fullness, it looks thin.

More photos of Susan here: http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Susan%20Powell/

Taminator
12-22-2009, 10:09 AM
It appears as though Susan has very fine hair. In some photos it looks fuller, probably because of a perm. My hair is the same way, baby fine and unless I get a perm and have some fullness, it looks thin.

More photos of Susan here: http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Susan%20Powell/

I agree. Her hair just looks very fine. Also, I'm taking into consideration that her father is for the most part, bald and her mother appeared to have somewhat thin hair.

Taminator
12-22-2009, 10:17 AM
Susan Powell had formulated escape plan, friends say

A year before she disappeared, Susan Powell told a wide circle of friends she was preparing for the worst if she sought a divorce: that her husband might try to kidnap their sons and break her financially.

She said she had set up a separate bank account, arranged a place to stay if she decided to leave, and had informally written a will, according to friends who requested anonymity because they are not authorized by police to speak about the investigation. And Susan Powell made sure many knew of her preparations.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14042094

passionflower
12-22-2009, 10:26 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/pressure-mounting-arrest-susan-powell-disappearance/story?id=9398050

look at comments..........interesting!

passionflower
12-22-2009, 10:31 AM
Susan Powell had formulated escape plan, friends say

A year before she disappeared, Susan Powell told a wide circle of friends she was preparing for the worst if she sought a divorce: that her husband might try to kidnap their sons and break her financially.

She said she had set up a separate bank account, arranged a place to stay if she decided to leave, and had informally written a will, according to friends who requested anonymity because they are not authorized by police to speak about the investigation. And Susan Powell made sure many knew of her preparations.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14042094

She did everything right, but looks like Josh found out some how or she told him she was all ready to leave after the holiday!!!!
NEVER THREATEN OR TELL just LEAVE!!!!

jnTexas
12-22-2009, 10:45 AM
A comment from this link at 12/21/2009 11:56 pm:

"Joshua Powell to confess to killing wife.

Josh is spending a few days with his family before turning himself into
authorities in Utah. He plans to confess to her murder and to lead authorities
to her body shortly after Christmas according to a source close to the Powell family.

“Josh’s main concern is for the boys and having a chance to see his family
before turning himself in. He plans on leaving the boys with his family when
he returns to Utah.” the source stated.

Remember, you read it here first."

I hope this is true!

How nice of him to think of himself and his boys spending christmas together. too bad he didn't think of susan spending christmas with the boys before he killed her!!

I hope it is a true statement though..

jnTexas
12-22-2009, 10:46 AM
her hair being thin could also be a thyroid issue or low iron. I have both and my hair has thinned out alot.

Texas Mist
12-22-2009, 10:55 AM
<snip>

Police defend pace of Susan Powell case

WEST VALLEY CITY -- West Valley City police say they're feeling pressure in the case of 28-year-old Susan Powell, who has been missing since Dec. 7.
.....
Meanwhile, West Valley City police Capt. Tom McLachlan says he is feeling heat from the community to make an arrest.

"The pressure is to conduct the investigation of this missing person in a legal fashion where we can get a resolution that will stand up in any court," he says.


more here

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9114913

Ms_Pants
12-22-2009, 10:55 AM
A comment from this link at 12/21/2009 11:56 pm:

"Joshua Powell to confess to killing wife.

Josh is spending a few days with his family before turning himself into
authorities in Utah. He plans to confess to her murder and to lead authorities
to her body shortly after Christmas according to a source close to the Powell family.

“Josh’s main concern is for the boys and having a chance to see his family
before turning himself in. He plans on leaving the boys with his family when
he returns to Utah.” the source stated.

Remember, you read it here first."

I hope this is true!

This comment was made by doctorwoof. The last sensational comment talked about on this thread (smoking gun...sworn to secrecy...etc) was made by docscoob(y). Wonder if these two posts were made by the same person just looking for reactions. FWIW, I hope they're true, too.

hellinor
12-22-2009, 11:08 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/pressure-mounting-arrest-susan-powell-disappearance/story?id=9398050

look at comments..........interesting!

I'm assuming whatever was interesting is gone now, as what's there isn't too interesting (IMHO.) Can you fill us in on what was interesting to you? TIA!

nursebeeme
12-22-2009, 11:12 AM
Another disappearing post, but the "Remember, you read it here first" among other aspects reeks of a troll to me. it is still there. page 8 iirc. it is 1156 pm... not am

passionflower
12-22-2009, 11:19 AM
I'm assuming whatever was interesting is gone now, as what's there isn't too interesting (IMHO.) Can you fill us in on what was interesting to you? TIA!

It was a comment about 'why does Josh take 4 year old with him every where? Never leaves the 4 year old out of his sight. Afraid maybe the
little one will talk about something?'
that's about it..........made me think JP was brain washing his oldest son.

nursebeeme
12-22-2009, 11:21 AM
I'm assuming whatever was interesting is gone now, as what's there isn't too interesting (IMHO.) Can you fill us in on what was interesting to you? TIA!
two of the comments there were interesting to me. One poster brought up the fact that hidden assets and life insurance should be looked at (more at comments section)

The other one that interested me... one poster wondered why he always has the four year old so close to him (seen in videos and also at the vigil). Where was the two year old at the vigil? Why does he cling to the four year old? Does this child know something?

Taminator
12-22-2009, 11:26 AM
I'm really interested in this rental car. Obviously, if he drove HUNDREDS of miles, then he would have to stop for gas somewhere. Hopefully they can serve a search warrant on his recent debit/credit transactions or surveillance from a gas station will surface somewhere. And hopefully the rental car hasn't been rented since he has had it. Otherwise, any evidence in that could easily be thrown out, if a trial ever comes to fruition.

passionflower
12-22-2009, 11:27 AM
Insurance policy has never been discussed by family?
JP can't get any money til Susan is declared deceased.
and go figure, he is still married.
Interesting thoughts.

burbqueen
12-22-2009, 11:28 AM
Ok well, anything new? I hear of a confession. I hope this isnt rumor,but I dunno.

I'll still be on here lurking!

Merry Christmas everyone!!

passionflower
12-22-2009, 11:33 AM
Last night I heard on news that toxicology tests on Brittany Murphy (actress) would take 4-6 weeks before coming back.
So I assume the same for Susan and the rug............it could be 4 more weeks before tests come back?
and then LE has to put a crime scene happened and then link it to JP.
So, arrest may not be til Susan is found, JP confesses or everything comes together
for a case.

nursebeeme
12-22-2009, 11:34 AM
I started a new thread... this one is looooooooong~

nursebeeme
12-22-2009, 11:35 AM
UT-Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City; thread #4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

new thread link... oopsie forgot to list it

Dr.Fessel
12-22-2009, 11:37 AM
A comment from this link at 12/21/2009 11:56 pm:

"Joshua Powell to confess to killing wife.

Josh is spending a few days with his family before turning himself into
authorities in Utah. He plans to confess to her murder and to lead authorities
to her body shortly after Christmas according to a source close to the Powell family.

“Josh’s main concern is for the boys and having a chance to see his family
before turning himself in. He plans on leaving the boys with his family when
he returns to Utah.” the source stated.

Remember, you read it here first."

I hope this is true!


Do you have the name of the poster of that? It has been deleted.

nursebeeme
12-22-2009, 11:39 AM
UT-Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City; thread #4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
new thread

Patty G
12-22-2009, 11:40 AM
A comment from this link at 12/21/2009 11:56 pm:

"Joshua Powell to confess to killing wife.

Josh is spending a few days with his family before turning himself into
authorities in Utah. He plans to confess to her murder and to lead authorities
to her body shortly after Christmas according to a source close to the Powell family.
“Josh’s main concern is for the boys and having a chance to see his family
before turning himself in. He plans on leaving the boys with his family when
he returns to Utah.” the source stated.

Remember, you read it here first."

I hope this is true!


BBM IF this is "true", I would hope this individual would contact LE and fill them in about this "source" close to the Powell family with all this knowledge of what Josh plans on doing.

nursebeeme
12-22-2009, 11:45 AM
Do you have the name of the poster of that? It has been deleted.
it has not been deleted. It is on page seven... I am looking at it right now. Here is the link
http://www.tribtowns.com/comments/read_comments.asp?ref=14042094&PageIndex=7

Patty G
12-22-2009, 11:50 AM
Ok well, anything new? I hear of a confession. I hope this isnt rumor,but I dunno.



Someone posted a comment on a news article website indicating this BUT nothing to back up this information. I guess we will have to wait and see if what this person posts is rumor or fact.

sniperacer
12-22-2009, 11:53 AM
http://pathwayscourses.samhsa.gov/vawc/images_vaw/control_wheel.gif

I just realized I have been abused for most of my married life.

Texas Mist
12-22-2009, 11:58 AM
I just realized I have been abused for most of my married life.


((hugs)) sniperacer....peace be with you while you think on this...it is very unsettling to arrive at the realization.

Patty G
12-22-2009, 12:00 PM
I just realized I have been abused for most of my married life.

A very interesting thread was started yesterday about signs of abuse here:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

omegagal
12-22-2009, 12:12 PM
Well, I don't think a just God gets into the habit of interfering with his children's free agency. Josh Powell apparently exercised his free agency in an evil way. I think a loving Heavenly Father was probably deeply saddened that one his children would make such a decision - especially as it concerns another one of his children.

Fortunately (perhaps unfortunately, for Josh), there will be justice - both temporal, and eternal.
I thought I read that she fasted and prayed and received the answer to stay with Josh. Thanks for letting me know that wasn't exactly right......

Did Susan and Josh marry in the Temple? Does anyone know? Would that have kept her from leaving Josh? Anyone out there married in the Temple that actually knows????

passionflower
12-22-2009, 12:14 PM
We are over at new post/thread now.........come on over to #4 and bring your comments over please!!! No one closed this...............

nursebeeme
12-22-2009, 12:19 PM
UT-Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City; thread #4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
link to thread four

omegagal
12-22-2009, 12:32 PM
Thank You for the above article link. I agreed with all the reasons why a couple in a domestic violence/abuse pattern should not go to general marriage/couples counseling, but see a Domestic Abuse Counselor. But would Susan define her husband as abusive, or would she see it as more of a controlling problem. Seeking out an Domestic Violence counselor would mean she'd have to see it as that. Did she? I guess that's the shocking part so far, kinda like Scott Peterson, Josh isn't a beat her up kind of guy. No, they don't seem that dangerous then up and kill their loving wife.
Curious Me... I know in the case of a religious woman, she will first go to her church leadership. If a church leader even suspected that there is a control issue in the marriage, red flags should be going off. Because that's what abuse is - it's control. At that point a professional counselor (LPC or LCSW) with training in the abuse cycle would be able to counsel a woman to help bring up her self esteem, develop trust and help her to make positive decisions in the relationship. It does not have to be a DV counselor. It can start with a call to the National Domestic Violence Hotline for resources or to a friend at church, a parent. We need to be more educated as to what these red flags are. BYU Women's center put together a program where they are encouraging students to recognize abusive controlling behavior in others and speaking up against it. They even did an organized 5k race in September to bring awareness. IMHO, it has to be a combination of education among ourselves and our children and a professional approach of educating our church leaders.

Here's a link to BYU's Voices of Courage:

http://wsr.byu.edu/content/voices-courage

agathawannabe
12-22-2009, 12:42 PM
Did Susan and Josh marry in the Temple? Does anyone know? Would that have kept her from leaving Josh? Anyone out there married in the Temple that actually knows????

I remember hearing in a news video that they were married in a Temple. IIRC, it was a Temple in Utah, but not in SLC. I wasn't paying close attention to the name of the temple.

Digging now to see what I can find to confirm & fill in the blanks.

ETA - LDS Portland Temple; I found a link: http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14035282?source=most_viewed

JBean
12-22-2009, 12:47 PM
UT-Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City; thread #4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community