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Noway
12-29-2009, 12:58 PM
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Noway
12-29-2009, 01:00 PM
Facts I, Part 6

Because I was running into issues with surpassing the number of characters in this post, I'm going to divide into Facts I (Somer, Diena, Samuel, Sean, C. Perry) and Facts II (Gano House, Law Enforcement, Other People, Garbage, RSOs, Unrelated) and the Part number will change as we go.

Please do not quote whole post. Bring a correction or addition to my attention with copy/paste.

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SOMER
• Somer Thompson was 7 when she disappeared on October 19.
• Somer was wearing a cranberry jump suit (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33410779/ns/today-today_people/) (sweat suit (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/AMBERAlert.jpg)) with a matching top to the bottom and pink satin stripes down the sides of arms and legs, and a black shirt underneath (http://tinyurl.com/yjklsn8) and blue and gray socks and rainbow tennis shoes. (Diena Thompson Addresses the Media (http://jacksonville.com/video?bcpid=45533482001&bclid=45314954001&bctid=45725057001))
• Somer and her siblings got ride to school in the morning and walked in the afternoon with 50-70 kids See Diena Thompson Addresses The Media (http://jacksonville.com/video?bcpid=45533482001&bclid=45314954001&bctid=45725057001).
• Somer was born April 5, 2002.
• Somer did not wander off according to her mom (http://tinyurl.com/yjklsn8) in video Diena Thompson Addresses The Media (http://jacksonville.com/video?bcpid=45533482001&bclid=45314954001&bctid=45725057001).
• Somer routinely wandered around and nobody knew where she was, according to a babysitter (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...girl_somer_ren).
• Somer had run off unattended (http://m.jax2go.com/articles/194041643). MR said running off unattended wasn't anything new for Somer. R., 17, said she baby-sat Somer and her two siblings for a little more than a month this year. ... She said the 7-year-old is headstrong and often jumped ahead of her brother and sister on the way back from school and made her way back by herself. These trips usually took anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour, and she said Diena Thompson had a list of phone numbers for the parents of Somer's friends in case she was gone for too long.
• Somer wore a red ribbon in her ponytail on October 19.
• Somer was driven to school on October 19 by AB (neighbor), who said it was a normal morning and Somer was her usual self (http://www.news4jax.com/news/21363638/detail.html).
• Somer went to school (GPE) and left school at regular time (2:32 p.m.).
• Somer was released from school at 2:50 p.m. Source (http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/index.html)
• Somer initially started walking with her friend M. “Minutes before she was walking with this little girl. I mean, yea it's definitely sunk in...It gives me goose bumps...thinking it could have been fifty-fifty, I mean, just like that,” said GC (http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Family-has-special-connection-to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx).
• Somer caught up with AT and ST (twin) in the 1100 block of Gano. Source (http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/index.html)
• AT brought up spat with M., and Somer ran ahead to walk alone.
• An AMBER Alert was issued on Tuesday morning. It does not mention the book bag or lunchbox, but mentions her possibly wearing white hat and scarf. JPG of AMBER Alert (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/AMBERAlert.jpg)
• Somer lived with her mom Diena, her twin brother ST, her older sister AT and her older brother AC. See Diena Thompson Addresses The Media (http://jacksonville.com/video?bcpid=45533482001&bclid=45314954001&bctid=45725057001).
• Somer's body was found at Chesser Island Landfill in Folkston, GA (http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpop...dOQmnB05w.cspx). She was tentatively identified by her clothing and a birthmark.
• Somer's lunchbox (http://tinyurl.com/ybt9tzj) and book bag (http://tinyurl.com/y9ed32a) (see sketches (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/video_photos.cfm?id=69151)as released by LE and shown on AMW) have not been found. Details first reported on AMW (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=69151)November 7. (Previous reports had not mentioned lunchbox; backpack/book bag was described several ways, now believed to be in error, including but not limited to “black book bag (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf)”; “pink black and white backpack with skulls, hearts, and crossbones (http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/10/clay-county-authorities-search.html)”; “purple HM backpack (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-body-found-sheriff-matches-birthmark-clothing/Story?id=8887834&page=2)”)
• Somer rode her scooter around the neighborhood. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569515,00.html
• Somer and her siblings AT and ST normally walked home together. Three weeks ago Monday the 7-year-old was walking home from school with her older sister A. and twin brother S. Her mother was at work. And as usual, the children were to walk home together. Friends' parents would keep an eye on them. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thom...ory?id=9029804 (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-mother-diena-searches-killer/story?id=9029804)

DIENA THOMPSON
• Diena and Samuel Thompson are estranged and in the process of divorcing.
• Diena has a live-in boyfriend (CPC, who goes by P).
• Diena said she had lunch at her home on October 19 with SAP, a family friend.
• Diena asked SAP to wait until the kids got home from school (http://tinyurl.com/y8wflf8). (from narrative MPR, but what was he to do after that?)
• Dena texts SAP around 4 p.m., asking how the kids were; SAP replied that Somer had not come home with the other kids.
• Diena leaves work early to search for Somer.
• Diena felt something was wrong this time, and this is why she responded quickly to news of Somer not making it home that day.
• Diena calls her boyfriend, CPC aka Perry, at about 4:20 p.m., tells him Somer didn’t come home, and asks him to leave work to help search for her.
• Diena stops at OPAA to pick up oldest son AC.
• Diena flags down D/S A. Coan (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im...ice.report.pdf) at the corner of Floyd Circle West and Gano, and reports Somer missing.
• Diena says (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-mother-diena-searches-killer/story?id=9029804) that ST (twin) lagged behind to talk to a friend. (watch video that page too)."I know that ST had lagged behind talking to a friend," Diena Thompson told "GMA." "And AT and Somer were together and that -- I'm not sure what happened. Somer got teased a lot. ... She ran ahead, and AT just figured she'd catch up with her. And when she got to the second crossing guard Somer wasn't there.
• Diena and blacked out video. This is the link to the blackout video: (Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL - Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park, Thread # 29) http://www.news4jax.com/video/21402291/Blackout 2:11-2:33 right after DT says: I am searching ... and the … and the … I don't know that it's funny but … .I flagged down an officer as soon as I got off work, and my son was already down there looking and I saw a deputy ‘cause I didn't know what to do, I already had this feeling this isn't just your normal “she went to somebody's house and she's gonna be home – .you know, this was “something’s wrong,” and I flagged him down and we went into the parking lot of OPAA which just..."
• Diena was asked not to view body. http://www.news4jax.com/video/21409125/
• Diena says the kids got a ride in morning and walked in evening (in nice weather). ~ @ 2:21 in Diena Thompson addresses the media http://jacksonville.com/video?bcpid=...id=45725057001 (http://jacksonville.com/video?bcpid=45533482001&bclid=45314954001&bctid=45725057001)
• (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=51242261001)DT Interview from November 12 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=51242261001) DT is asked if authorities have told her yet what Somer's COD is and she says: "NO, I don't know what her cause of death is - I don't know what her date of death is - I don't know if she was sexually assaulted, I know literally nothing pretty much accept that they found my daughter which i am truly grateful for because I couldn't have lived, I don't want to say that but I know it would have crushed me to not have ever found her …" http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=51242261001 SPECIAL NOTE: We wanted to offer our viewers this interview without any edits. The video, therefore, is uncut as posted, and so you'll see unsettled camera moves near the end, as the photographer repositions his shot. (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/special/somer/news-article.aspx?storyid=148037&catid=338)

SAMUEL THOMPSON
• Samuel lives in North Carolina and has not seen Somer in 2 years.
• Samuel came to FL on the Sunday after Somer's disappearance.
• Samuel says soot was found on Somer’s body in NG interview). (Later, he recants that statement through relative on WS because the source of this information, his sister LH, is thought to be unreliable.)

SEAN A. P. (SAP)
• Source unless otherwise noted is MPR Narrative.
• SAP is a close family friend.
• SAP is said to have had lunch with Diena at her house on October 19 (stated by Diena).
• SAP is asked to wait at house until kids come home from school. (not sure what he was to do after they came home).
• SAP had not been asked to do this before. This was his first time.
• SAP asks where Somer is when AT and ST arrived around 3:10 p.m.
• SAP sent AT to look for Somer. When she returned about 15 minutes later without her, SAP told her to look again real good before he called Diena.
• SAP gets text from Diena around 4 p.m. asking how the kids were doing; he texts back that Somer did not come home with the other kids and AT is out looking for her. Diena says she will leave work and come look for Somer.
• SAP changed details on his indigo healing website (http://www.indigo-healing.net/Home_Page.html).

C. PERRY C.
• CPC is Diena's live-in boyfriend.
• CPC gets call about 4:20 p.m. from Diena who tells him Somer didn’t come home; Diena asks him to leave work to help search for her.
• CPC leaves work and drives to the Horton Drive home; arrives at about 5 p.m.
• CPC picks up ST (twin) at the house about 5 p.m. and goes to search for Somer.

SIBLINGS/FAMILY
• AC spoke with a patrolling officer.. http://www.news4jax.com/news/21363554/detail.html I walked around with a patrolling officer, and we told him what happened," A. said.
• MS. Somer’s maternal great grandmother lives in New Richamond, OH. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569515,00.html

FRIENDS/NEIGHBORS
• AB appeared on TV (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-body-found-sheriff-matches-birthmark-clothing/story?id=8887834)with Sheriff Beseler (http://www.livedash.com/transcript/good_morning_america/714/KGO/Thursday_October_22_2009/99710/). Don't want video to play in this post: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33427923#33427923"]msnbc.com.
• A woman who did not want to be identified (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=147081&provider=rss) told First Coast News that she asked investigators to check the vacant house on Gano Avenue and its dumpster. A woman, who did not want to be identified, tells First Coast News' Monica Landeros she asked investigators to search this vacant home and dumpster on Monday night. She says, "I'm upset. It's like, should I have looked, should I have gone in the dumpster?
[/font]• A female neighbor (reportedly Anna Braddy), when questioned about the trash pick-up day, made a comment that the trash had already been collected that day so to take that however you want to (paraphrased). See post.
• AB used to walk Somer to school every morning (as reported by First Coast (12/03/2009). She said the neighborhood has changed. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/m...6&provider=top (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=149016&provider=top)
• AB, the neighbor who drove the kids to school, implies something is going on and the family knows. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, age 7, missing from Orange Park, thread #3
• AB drove her daughter KB, 9, and three of the Thompson children to school, the way she does every morning. AB said she dropped the children off at school around 7:45 a.m. and made sure they got behind the gate and that they were safe. … Later that day, AB learned that Somer disappeared while walking home from school. ... AB, whose daughter is picked up after school by a babysitter, said she was shocked to learn that the area has so many sexual offenders and predators. Source is not mainstream media: http://christinaleachphillips.wordpr...monday-oct-19/ (http://christinaleachphillips.wordpress.com/woman-who-drove-somer-thompson-to-school-recalls-monday-oct-19/)
• RO, neighbor, said Somer never met a stranger; was very friendly. Always looking for other kids to play with. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569515,00.html
• TJ’s 11 year old would often to the library with Somer and look at books about kitten and puppies. Somer was one of the few friends her daughter had. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569515,00.html
• TJ said her family recently moved into the area, and her daughter became friends with both AT and Somer. TJ said they made her daughter feel welcome in the neighborhood. Source is not mainstream media: http://christinaleachphillips.wordpr...monday-oct-19/ (http://christinaleachphillips.wordpress.com/woman-who-drove-somer-thompson-to-school-recalls-monday-oct-19/)

Noway
12-29-2009, 01:04 PM
Facts II, Part 6

Because I was running into issues with surpassing the number of characters in this post, I'm going to divide into Facts I (Somer, Diena, Samuel, Sean, C. Perry) and Facts II (Gano House, Law Enforcement, Other People, Garbage, RSOs, Unrelated) and the Part number will change as we go.

Please do not quote whole post. Bring a correction or addition to my attention with copy/paste.

:star1: New entries (from previous version) will be marked by star.

GANO AVENUE HOUSE
• This house caught fire months ago and is being restored.
• Work crews have been at that house.
• VD&B (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=147122%22%20%5Ct%20%22_blank) is the contractor working on the house.
• Kyle, who works with the contractor, was there on October 19, and said that Somer came in the yard, told him that he/they were doing a good job on the house, and went back the way she came.
• Kyle is the last person known to see Somer alive.
• There are propane tanks surrounded by a fence about a block the house (toward school).
• J., a minor, was riding his bike home when he saw Somer running around near the tanks and that she he thought she was excited but had a frown on her face.
• OPAA is a park and sporting fields across the street from the house.
•LE searched the house extensively on Thursday and Friday.
• The Gano House was proclaimed a crime scene (http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/crime/story.aspx?storyid=116107&catid=82), as was the search area.
•James V. Video in which he states they did get the truck and trailer back and that they where cleared. Also on this video it is the DT family that told the reporter LE asked her not to view the body of Somer. http://www.news4jax.com/video/21409125/

LAW ENFORCEMENT
• LE searched the Gano Avenue house extensively and the men's room (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21389447/detail.html) at OPAA briefly and came out with a bag.
• An autopsy was performed, and LE knows the cause of death, but that have not released that information (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21389447/detail.html).
•Sheriff reports only one person cleared in the investigation into Somer’s death and that is him.
• Investigators made the request (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21435492/detail.html) / recommendation (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-26/story/large_crowd_expected_for_somer_thompsons_funeral) that Somer's casket be closed.

OTHER PEOPLE
• Houses in the vicinity of the Gano house were searched (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-22/story/search_for_clues_continues_at_scene_near_where_som er_thompson) on Tuesday, October 20. The search literally hit home for schools Superintendent Ben Wortham, who lives about 100 yards from the Gano Drive spot where Somer was last seen. About 2 a.m. Tuesday, his house and many others in the vicinity were “searched from top to bottom,” Wortham said.

GARBAGE/LANDFILL
• Bruce Owens suggests to the sheriff that all trash trucks should be followed and searched so they can isolate the trash coming out of this area, the trash trucks are then followed. (Later reported that Joe Jett gets credit for this.) Owens brought it to Beseler’s attention that clues could be found in the trash. Detective Bruce Owens said he alerted Beseler that clues could be found in trash from around Orange Park. "If a truck was seen, it would be best to follow it to its next location, so they could search or follow it to the closest landfill, so they could isolate it from the dump," Owens said. Owens said he got dozens of deputies and police officers on the road after Somer was reported missing. He said he wanted all garbage trucks checked as quickly as possible. "Time is of the essence. That collection was being done by outside companies," Owens said. Dozens of squad cars stayed on the trail of the garbage trucks as they traveled across the state line into Georgia. "They sifted through about 300,000 tons of waste," Owens said. About 200,000 tons of trash was searched at a landfill in Clay County, and 100,000 tons was searched at a dump in Folkston, Ga. http://www.wesh.com/news/21389441/detail.html
• Somer was found dead on October 21 in the Chesser Island Landfill in Folkston, Georgia.
• LE followed the trucks to the Chesser Island Landfill.
• Dumpsters on Tuesday; Residential on Wednesdays. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL - Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park, Thread # 29
• FOLKSTON, GA - ambulance are now on site Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park THREAD #2•

RSOs
• There are 161 RSOs (http://www.wctv.tv/APNews/headlines/65806732.html) that live within 5 miles of Somer’s home.
• CWG’s name and contact info appears on the initial police report (in error (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-23/story/somers_slaying_investigaton_narrowing_down_origin_ of_trash) as a case of mistaken identity) detailing her disappearance, along with the names of family, neighbors, and others.
• The owner of VD&B has a brother who is an RSO. His name is GCV (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=5693).
• Since Somer disappeared many RSO’s have been arrested for failing to update their addresses.

UNRELATED BUT YET, RELATED
• What was thought to be an attempted abduction 10 days before Somer's disappearance turned out not to be an attempted abduction and was not related to Somer's disappearance according to LE. Even after LE said there was no connection, reports on blue Nissans (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-12/story/in_somer_thompson_case_rumors_become_a_big_problem ) poured in to the CCSO.
• A police report in the Clay County Daily indicated that 4 burglary suspects were arrested at the Thompson home. LE later said that the address was in error and gave this explanation: An officer who was at the Thompson home was called to an unrelated burglary call and made the arrest of 4 individuals (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-12/story/in_somer_thompson_case_rumors_become_a_big_problem )but when he filed his report, he forgot to change the address. If you check the Clay County Daily (http://p2c.claysheriff.com/dailybulletin.aspx) for 10/21, you will find the correct information now.
• CWG's name on the MPR was a result of mistaken identity (http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-23/story/somers_slaying_investigaton_narrowing_down_origin_ of_trash) according to LE.

OTHER FORUMS WITH ITEMS OF INTEREST
• Forum with news articles in entirety: Somer Thompson, (7) missing - Crimeshots© True Crime Forums
• Somer Thompson Archive: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/special/somer/archive.aspx (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/special/somer/archive.aspx)

TES/SEARCHES
• Link to video in which they say LE suspended the overnight searches for Tuesday night. (Said on Wednesday morning.) http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/...ng/49318320001 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=e91276d17ee6ae4cc3bcd3da8 b1d0b7d36168356&maven_referralObject=1302620435#/Search+for+Somer+Resumes+Wednesday+Morning/49318320001)

• When TES was coming. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park THREAD #2

THE ARGUMENT/FIGHT/SPAT/SQUABBLE/TIFF
(WS source Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL - Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park, Thread # 29)
• Oct 21: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/childs-body...ory?id=8883485 (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/childs-body-found-dump-somer-thompson-vanished/story?id=8883485) [snipped...] She had been walking with her two siblings, including a twin brother, and friend when she got into an argument with another child. Somer walked ahead of the group and was never seen again.

• Oct 21: http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ay.html?cat=62 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2309863/somer_thompson_missing_mother_on_today.html?cat=62 ) [snipped...] Somer Thompson went missing around 3 p.m. Monday afternoon when she was walking home from school. She, her twin brother, her 10-year-old sister and several friends were headed home when Somer and a friend got into a small argument. When Somer's older sister told her to "quit fighting," Somer reportedly got angry and ran ahead of the group. But when everyone got home, Somer had not yet arrived. Diena Thompson was informed by text message at her work that her child was missing. She immediately left and, chancing upon a police vehicle, flagged it down. The search for Somer Thompson began almost immediately.

• Oct 21: http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/mother-...ory?id=8877337 (http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/mother-missing-florida-girl-somer-thompson-begs-return/story?id=8877337) [snipped...] Holding a picture of her daughter, Thompson told "Good Morning America" that her family, especially Somer's twin brother, are devastated. "We just don't know what to do without her," she said. Somer vanished Monday while on her way home from school with her twin and 10-year-old sister. She had argued with the two other children, Thompson said, and ran ahead of them, far enough that they lost sight of her.

• Oct 23: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10...ody/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/22/georgia.landfill.body/index.html) [snipped...] Somer became separated from her siblings and schoolmates on her way home from school in Orange Park, Florida, on Monday. She was seen in a fight at school before she disappeared, according to a police report released Thursday. Her 10-year-old sister told police that Somer had gotten into a fight with another girl at school earlier in the day. The sister said she brought up the fight while she and her brother walked Somer home from school, and that Somer ran off from them, apparently upset. The sister said she lost sight of Somer in a group of other kids leaving the school, according to the police report. When the other children got home and she wasn't there, they dropped their backpacks and went out looking for her.

• Oct 23: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569245,00.html?test=latestnews) [snipped...] Authorities say Somer squabbled with another child Monday and then walked ahead of the group of kids and was never seen again. Justino said Friday that the argument was verbal and began at school. "Somer became agitated by that," she said.

• http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...ompsons_school (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-10-22/story/on_any_other_afternoon_a_different_walk_home_from_ somer_thompsons_school) [snipped....] Authorities think she may have hit another child with a backpack and run off alone after someone teased her. It was close to a place where deputies had a report of a recent abduction attempt, one they've since said they don't believe was related.



VIDEOS
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/

Search for Somer Thompson in Orange Park 11 p.m. Report
• Sheriff calls her Shannon(name of reporter I think). 100 units; utilizing dogs; intensive ground search using SWAT team; asks public to call with anything out of ordinary in neighborhood; clothing backpack that wasn't there before.

• No AMBER Alert and CART alerts require certain criteria. This is being worked as missing child case. Those type of alerts may be forthcoming.

• She was with twin brother and other children; there was a sight argument and she ran ahead. last seen 2:45 p.m. NotifiedLE at around 5 p.m.

Somer Thompson Latest Search 10/20 6 p.m.
• Mike P. (stick man, IIRC) tried to think like a 7 year old.

Crossing Guard Never Saw Somer 10/21
• Miller and Gano and Grove Park and Gano -- not sure they saw Somer
• DeBarry and Gano -- she is positive she did not see Somer

Search for Somer Thompson 10/22 5:30 a.m. Report
• Body found in Georgia may be Somer Thompson.

The Search at Somer's School 10/20 12 p.m. Report
• LE stopping parents at Miller and Gano and taking information.
• First time GPE has ever had missing child; taking time to talk to kids and ease parents' concerns.

Clay County Students Visit Somer's Home on Day Off 10/23
• Parents bringing kids there to see memorial. Not many kids outside; those that they see are being kept close to parents.
• Teaching their kids an important lesson.
• TN brought kids (C and A) to get the message of stranger danger to hit home. Gives nervous laugh when she says "we are certainly enforcing stranger danger."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/...ts/49318341001 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=search&maven_referralObject=1303253181#/Search+Dogs+Follow+Scent%2C+Used+Bedsheets/49318341001) or Video Source (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=search&maven_referralObject=1303253181#/Search+Dogs+Follow+Scent%2C+Used+Bedsheets/49318341001) (Search Dogs Follow Scent, Used Bedsheet 10/21 5 p.m.) Dog handler talking and how she used bed sheets. Comment at end is that they are not sure that the scent was not Somer's from a previous day. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/...ts/49318341001 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=search&maven_referralObject=1303253181#/Search+Dogs+Follow+Scent%2C+Used+Bedsheets/49318341001)

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpop...DBWLGrMkA.cspx (http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Community-prepares-to-lay-Somer-Thompson-to-rest/YB_r0r5bxE-syDBWLGrMkA.cspx)
"The last time I remember seeing Somer she was riding her scooter" (BK, age 11, friend of Somer's)


http://www.news4jax.com/video/21360276/
Wednesday morning, 10/21
Uncut: Somer's Mom, Clay Sheriff Brief Media

Reporter: Did she have a backpack ... that morning? / Diena: She was wearing a matching sweat suit outfit, and she did have a backpack. / Reporter: ... you don't have the backpack? / Diena: She's got like 5 or 6, and she rides to school with a neighbor and I leave for work in the moring ... so I'm not for sure what backpack she had. / (For reference, in the MPR, Diena said black book bag. And there is no mention of purple and/or HM in this video.)

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...id=45725057001
Diena Thompson Addresses The Media

Reporter: Did you see anything suspicious in the neighborhood? / Diena: ... Nothing. nothing. If I did, I'd've been standing right there.

Clothes described in detail: It was a ... like a cranberry-colored jumpsuit with a matching top to the bottom. Up the sides of the legs and up the sides of the arms is a pink silky strip, and then she had a black shirt underneath. She had rainbow-colored tennis shoes, and she had gray and blue striped ankle socks on. And her hair bow was red.

Noway
12-29-2009, 01:08 PM
AmandaReckonWith Photobucket Pictures and Videos (http://tinyurl.com/ydag2z8)

Clay County Clerk (http://tinyurl.com/yghsx33)

Clay County Daily Bulletin (http://tinyurl.com/yed73ws)

Facts I


Facts II


Florida AMBER Alert Information (http://www.floridaamberalert.com/activating.html)

Florida Sexual Offender and Predator Search (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/Search.jsp)

Garbage Zones in Orange Park Area (http://www.claycountygov.com/Departments/Environmental/ADS-6035-gainsville%20sunAd%20%28M2%29.pdf)

:star1: Infinity's Vision Post


Investigative Check List For First Responders (http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/publications/NC88.pdf)

Map of Somer's Route (http://tinyurl.com/yebrd9y)

Map Created by BreatheLife21 (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&t=h&msid=116287515801680968232.0004765612ce35666f9fb&ll=30.178077,-81.721287&spn=0.054906,0.078106&z=13)
(crossing guard info seems off: should be Miller and Gano; Grove Park and Gano; DeBarry and Gano)

Missing Person Report (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf)

NoWay's MPR Post (http://tinyurl.com/yd6o7xh)

MPR Narrative Transcribed


:star1: Sadnpod Photobucket (http://s977.photobucket.com/albums/ae252/snoopyone2009/?albumview=slideshow)

Somer Thompson Book Bag (http://tinyurl.com/y9ed32a)

Somer Thompson Lunchbox (http://i46.tinypic.com/8yuas5.jpg)

Somer Thompson Obituary (http://tinyurl.com/yas3phg)

Websleuths Forensic Astrology Thread for Somer Thompson (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90593%22)

Who's Who and RSOs (this takes you out of Websleuths to another forum) (http://tinyurl.com/yzvcbfs)

Noway
12-29-2009, 01:39 PM
Florida Department of Law Enforcement

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/content/getdoc/b8402fdd-2e8b-46a2-b318-2d18926554b3/AMBER-Plan.aspx

MEPIC accepts cases that meet the following criteria:

The person has been reported missing to a law enforcement agency and entered into the National Crime Information Center database;
Any missing child who is seventeen (17) years of age or younger; or
Any missing adult between the ages of 18-25; or
A missing persons 26 years of age or older who is suspected by law enforcement of being endangered or the victim of criminal activity;
The child or adult is missing from Florida

Source: http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/MCICSearch/

Noway
12-29-2009, 01:55 PM
I found this and it may explain why you didn't see Diena out searching.

http://www.ojjdp.ncjrs.gov/PUBS/childismissing/contents.html
When Your Child Is Missing: A Family Survival Guide (http://www.ojjdp.ncjrs.gov/PUBS/childismissing/contents.html)

Your Role in the Search: The First 48 Hours

In the initial stage of the search, devote your time to providing information to and answering questions from investigators. Once you discover that your child is missing, you will desperately want to help with the search. You may, in fact, wonder how you possibly can stand by and let others look for your child. But the reality is that in most instances, the best use of your energy is not on the physical search itself. Rather, you need to provide information to and answer questions from investigators and to be at home in the event your child calls. The checklist Gathering Evidence in the First 48 Hours identifies the most crucial pieces of background information and evidence that law enforcement will need in the search for your child.


http://www.ojjdp.ncjrs.gov/PUBS/childismissing/ch1.html#ch1-1

Noway
12-29-2009, 01:57 PM
The Role of Law Enforcement in the Search

When a child has disappeared, most of the initial searching of the area where the child is believed to have been last will be coordinated by law enforcement -- either Federal, State, or local, depending on the circumstances of the disappearance. Law enforcement needs to direct the search effort in order to make sure that the search is performed properly and that the evidence located during the search -- and at the crime scene -- is properly protected and preserved.

Noway
12-29-2009, 02:00 PM
Tracking or trailing dogs, preferably bloodhounds, should be brought immediately to the scene where your child was last seen. The fresher the trail, the more likely the dogs will be able to find your child. Bloodhounds are your best bet, because they have 60 times the tracking power of German shepherds, can discriminate among scents, and can follow your child's scent in the air and on the ground. This means that they may be able to pick up your child's scent even if he or she was carried in someone's arms or in a vehicle.

Noway
12-29-2009, 02:02 PM
Keep community awareness of your plight at a high level. If your child has been missing for several years, ask NCMEC to develop an age-progressed picture, then place this picture next to the original picture on shirts, buttons, and posters. Chapter 4 contains sample fliers you can use as models for your own fliers. Also, if there is new information about your child -- such as a sighting or an interesting lead -- make sure that the public is kept informed. But before you disclose any information, be sure to consult with your law enforcement contact so the investigation is not compromised.

Keep the media interested and involved. Chapter 3 contains ideas for keeping the media interested in your story.

Link to Chapter 3
http://www.ojjdp.ncjrs.gov/PUBS/childismissing/ch3.html

Kimster
01-05-2010, 04:15 PM
This is the only warning that will be provided for this thread. Please be sure you read it and understand. Thank you!

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Tricia
01-05-2010, 05:16 PM
This is the only warning that will be provided for this thread. Please be sure you read it and understand. Thank you!

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93576)

Actually, there is one more warning coming from yours truly.

Hoppyfrog had to pull the last thread on Somer because of bickering, baiting and in general people just being jerks.

Sometimes if you keep stepping up to the line and arethisclose to violating TOS but you do not, that in itself becomes a violation if you do it enough.

Let's please remember why we are here. Her name is Somer Renee Thompson. What in the world where you thinking when you let yourself start in on the last thread? This is about Somer. Not who is right or wrong or who is doing what to whom.

We will not warn anyone again. You will be timed out or banned for life if anyone starts up again.

Sorry to come down so hard but you need to understand this will no longer be tolerated.

Tricia

Picture from myFOX Dallas Fortworth. (http://community2.myfoxdfw.com/service/searchEverything.kickAction?keywords=16&as=78592)

camcneishg
01-05-2010, 05:16 PM
ORANGE PARK As of Jan. 04, 2010, "Team Somer," as Clay County (Florida) Sheriff''s Office detectives making up a pared-down task force now dub themselves, has received a total of 4,474 leads--a few that "remain open/active and still are being worked aggressively"--while the north Florida law enforcement agency awaits forensic reports on "a large quantity of evidence," True Crime Examiner has learned.

In the new year's first update on the murder investigation of Somer Thompson, who was abducted from the Jacksonville suburb of Orange Park, during her afternoon walk home from school on Oct. 19, 2009, CCSO spokesperson Mary Justino notes that "in regards to this [pending] evidence, we remain hopeful that results will point us in the right direction ... [in order to identify] Somer's killer."
http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2010m1d5-Somer-Thompson-Team-Somer-awaits-forensics-reports-girls-killer

ChickenPants
01-05-2010, 06:11 PM
http://www.pollyklaas.org/media/pdf/Abduction-Homicide-Study.pdf

Basic statistics and case management protocol for missing/abducted children and those in danger. Outlines the preliminary actions that should be/are taken from the onset of the reported missing child. FYI

ChickenPants
01-05-2010, 06:27 PM
http://www.karisable.com/crssstbul.htm

interesting information about bullying. Thought it may be pertinent to Somer, in reference to her alleged fights with other child(ren) and her tendency to run off. FYI

ChickenPants
01-05-2010, 06:38 PM
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel04/topicalcrimestud102504.htm


FBI study of effects of crime on community and Extra/Intrafamilial homicide related to child murders.

ChickenPants
01-05-2010, 06:42 PM
Techniques and protocols for interviewing possible suspects of child homicide, FBI

http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2008/january2008/january2008leb.htm

ChickenPants
01-05-2010, 06:44 PM
Hopefully some of the links I have posted above may bring to light some of the investigative techniques and focus that have already been applied to Somer's investigation. Since we have no new information, I am trying to get a view of who LE may have been looking at, or still may be looking at. Hope this helps.

ChickenPants
01-05-2010, 06:59 PM
If you go to WS home page, there is a link: Located! Family Condolences...(or support, I'm not sure)" and you can find Somer Thompson Page. On this page, you can post support or condolences for Somer's family. FYI

Kimberlyd125
01-05-2010, 08:00 PM
ORANGE PARK As of Jan. 04, 2010, "Team Somer," as Clay County (Florida) Sheriff''s Office detectives making up a pared-down task force now dub themselves, has received a total of 4,474 leads--a few that "remain open/active and still are being worked aggressively"--while the north Florida law enforcement agency awaits forensic reports on "a large quantity of evidence," True Crime Examiner has learned.

In the new year's first update on the murder investigation of Somer Thompson, who was abducted from the Jacksonville suburb of Orange Park, during her afternoon walk home from school on Oct. 19, 2009, CCSO spokesperson Mary Justino notes that "in regards to this [pending] evidence, we remain hopeful that results will point us in the right direction ... [in order to identify] Somer's killer."
http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2010m1d5-Somer-Thompson-Team-Somer-awaits-forensics-reports-girls-killer

BBM

That sounds good!!! If there is a large quantity of evidence, there is hope Justice will be served. IMO

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 08:02 PM
Great we are back!

Ms Suzanne
01-05-2010, 08:29 PM
ORANGE PARK As of Jan. 04, 2010, "Team Somer," as Clay County (Florida) Sheriff''s Office detectives making up a pared-down task force now dub themselves, has received a total of 4,474 leads--a few that "remain open/active and still are being worked aggressively"--while the north Florida law enforcement agency awaits forensic reports on "a large quantity of evidence," True Crime Examiner has learned.

In the new year's first update on the murder investigation of Somer Thompson, who was abducted from the Jacksonville suburb of Orange Park, during her afternoon walk home from school on Oct. 19, 2009, CCSO spokesperson Mary Justino notes that "in regards to this [pending] evidence, we remain hopeful that results will point us in the right direction ... [in order to identify] Somer's killer."
http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2010m1d5-Somer-Thompson-Team-Somer-awaits-forensics-reports-girls-killer

I pray they really do find the evidence to find Somers killer and her killer pays for what he /she has done to this pretty little girl.Her family will always be in my prayers.

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 08:38 PM
I still think it is important that a construction truck and trailer from the Gano house was impounded by the police and I would really like to know if it was done with a warrant. Can't someone get those warrants?

Noway
01-05-2010, 08:53 PM
I still think it is important that a construction truck and trailer from the Gano house was impounded by the police and I would really like to know if it was done with a warrant. Can't someone get those warrants?

I thought they were searched and returned to the owners ...

Police searched their Mandarin home Thursday and seized a truck and trailer from their property, she said.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=147122&provider=top

The 'she' is Alissa Barrs, sister of the Vinsons.

Does 'seized' mean they had warrant? It sounds like it to me.

James V. Video in which he states they did get the truck and trailer back and that they were cleared. Also on this video it is the DT family that told the reporter LE asked her not to view Somer's body. http://www.news4jax.com/video/21409125/

ChickenPants
01-05-2010, 09:33 PM
http://icd9cm.chrisendres.com/index.php?action=child&recordid=12443

You might want to look at this brief statistic by ICDM-9 on child homicide

human
01-05-2010, 09:41 PM
I still think it is important that a construction truck and trailer from the Gano house was impounded by the police and I would really like to know if it was done with a warrant. Can't someone get those warrants?

I think that it is also important that the sister said the GCV never worked there and the owner/brother said that GCV had worked there a couple of months ago.

Why the difference?

And we know that NO ONE has been cleared. What are you thinking about Dr. Fessel?

Kimberlyd125
01-05-2010, 09:43 PM
Maybe some of the evidence they are processing was from that truck and trailer.

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 09:49 PM
I think that it is also important that the sister said the GCV never worked there and the owner/brother said that GCV had worked there a couple of months ago.

Why the difference?

And we know that NO ONE has been cleared. What are you thinking about Dr. Fessel?

It seems to me warrants would have been produced for the house and truck and trailer for legal reasons even if the owner of the house gave permission. I think there would have been questions if the search could be done on some workers property left in the home or truck and trailer. I just bet there is warrants and they would state more reason then just somer standing on that property.

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 09:53 PM
The vinsons saying they were cleared when they got the truck back to is nonsense. You know they took trace evidence from that truck and trailer and its results would not be back for a long time.

Kimberlyd125
01-05-2010, 09:55 PM
The vinsons saying they were cleared when they got the truck back to is nonsense. You know they took trace evidence from that truck and trailer and its results would not be back for a long time.

Maybe that's who they are "watching". IMO
Just waiting for the evidence.

:waitasec:

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 10:00 PM
http://icd9cm.chrisendres.com/index.php?action=child&recordid=12443

You might want to look at this brief statistic by ICDM-9 on child homicide

Chickenpants help LOL tell me what I am looking at here.

amytlake
01-05-2010, 10:03 PM
Maybe that's who they are "watching". IMO
Just waiting for the evidence.

:waitasec:

it would make sense.. maybe didn't have anything conclusive enough during prelim testing to "hold him/them" but wanted to watch them. I know i have seen on these TV shows where they will of course make the suspect think they are in the clear - just so they will do something stupid while LE is really watching them.

I have always thought that the last place somer was on Gano was THAT house.. i don't think she ever left there on her own free will.

1) No other sightings after
2) Dogs lost scent right by there
3) the whole Kyle/reporter chicken/egg situation

I just dunno. But I'm leaning towards this.

ChickenPants
01-05-2010, 10:12 PM
Chickenpants help LOL tell me what I am looking at here.

The top of the list are the most prevalent offenders.
The bottom of the lest are the least frequent offenders.
Of child homicide. I have been looking at statistics for 3 days. Have to sort through long documents for what popped up on this simple list. ICD codes are commonly-used professional protocols. For example there is ICD protocols for diseases, etc. Don't ask me what ICD is lol it's been around since the dinosaurs.

kssgdby
01-05-2010, 10:13 PM
At one point we were discussing people who may have been in the neighborhood that would not have looked out of place that day, ex: LE, Bus Drivers, etc... What about a cab driver?

ChickenPants
01-05-2010, 10:22 PM
The top of the list are the most prevalent offenders.
The bottom of the lest are the least frequent offenders.
Of child homicide. I have been looking at statistics for 3 days. Have to sort through long documents for what popped up on this simple list. ICD codes are commonly-used professional protocols. For example there is ICD protocols for diseases, etc. Don't ask me what ICD is lol it's been around since the dinosaurs.


Just to clarify: One of the reasons the families are on the top of the list is because infant homicide is included, and there are a greater number of those (shaken baby syndrome, etc.) The statistics vary when broken down by the age of the child. I believe it is something like 50 or so per cent at the age of seven. FYI

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 10:23 PM
You know on a google drivebye I noticed a school bus in a persons drive way. I think it was on one of the streets she might have taken as a shortcut.

kssgdby
01-05-2010, 10:27 PM
You know on a google drivebye I noticed a school bus in a persons drive way. I think it was on one of the streets she might have taken as a shortcut.

A poster on another site who was a local said they were a cab driver and they knew Somer. That two years ago ( making Somer 5 at the time) they came to pick up a fare in her neighborhood and she just jumped in and rode along. When they got back she ran straight to the Thompson home and said to the cab driver "They don't know where I am.

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 10:31 PM
A poster on another site who was a local said they were a cab driver and they knew Somer. That two years ago ( making Somer 5 at the time) they came to pick up a fare in her neighborhood and she just jumped in and rode along. When they got back she ran straight to the Thompson home and said to the cab driver "They don't know where I am.



That is so damn spooky.

Nandee63
01-05-2010, 10:35 PM
A poster on another site who was a local said they were a cab driver and they knew Somer. That two years ago ( making Somer 5 at the time) they came to pick up a fare in her neighborhood and she just jumped in and rode along. When they got back she ran straight to the Thompson home and said to the cab driver "They don't know where I am.

Who knows if this is true, but it sure would give some validity to the babysitter's statement regarding Somer's "disappearing" acts. I can't imagine though, that a cab driver would allow an unaccompanied 5 yr. old to "ride along". All of that makes no sense.

Add: unless of course, this cab driver has continued to "watch" Somer and took the opportunity to abduct her. ??? Good question...

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 10:47 PM
George Vinson had a partner in the business. I wonder if he was working at the house that day at Gano and could his name be Kyle.

And what is Mandarin, is that a town by orange park? That is where the RSO Vinson lives according to that article.

kssgdby
01-05-2010, 10:48 PM
Who knows if this is true, but it sure would give some validity to the babysitter's statement regarding Somer's "disappearing" acts. I can't imagine though, that a cab driver would allow an unaccompanied 5 yr. old to "ride along". All of that makes no sense.

Add: unless of course, this cab driver has continued to "watch" Somer and took the opportunity to abduct her. ??? Good question...

The cab driver could have originally thought she was with the people they were picking up.

Kimberlyd125
01-05-2010, 10:49 PM
Well, I wish the info they are waiting on would come back and they would have enough info to charge the perp. Once they charge him/her, all info goes public right? Sunshine Law?

A lot of our questions would be answered.

But, I'm willing to be patient and wait as long as it takes. Because, IMO I want all the T's crossed and the I's dotted so there will be no question on this.

Praying for Justice for Somer.

kssgdby
01-05-2010, 10:50 PM
George Vinson had a partner in the business. I wonder if he was working at the house that day at Gano and could his name be Kyle.

And what is Mandarin, is that a town by orange park? That is where the RSO Vinson lives according to that article.

The Mandarin area is on the southside of Jacksonville

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 10:52 PM
Well, I wish the info they are waiting on would come back and they would have enough info to charge the perp. Once they charge him/her, all info goes public right? Sunshine Law?

A lot of our questions would be answered.

But, I'm willing to be patient and wait as long as it takes. Because, IMO I want all the T's crossed and the I's dotted so there will be no question on this.

Praying for Justice for Somer.

Kimberlyd I think patients is the word here. They want enough evidence so that everyone would say yep they are guilty, not just most people would think they are guilty.

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 10:55 PM
I just wish so much that the reporter who interviewed Kyle would have given us a little more info on him. Why is he protecting this source like this. Never told us a last name, and never told us what kind of work he did. Never told us what time it happened did he?

who what when where and why. Seems like they left alot of those out.

Kimberlyd125
01-05-2010, 10:59 PM
I just wish so much that the reporter who interviewed Kyle would have given us a little more info on him. Why is he protecting this source like this. Never told us a last name, and never told us what kind of work he did. Never told us what time it happened did he?

who what when where and why. Seems like they left alot of those out.

The whole Kyle story has been fishy to me since the start.

Maybe LE told the reporter not to say anything. This would make sense if "Kyle" is who they are watching. IMO

kssgdby
01-05-2010, 11:01 PM
I just wish so much that the reporter who interviewed Kyle would have given us a little more info on him. Why is he protecting this source like this. Never told us a last name, and never told us what kind of work he did. Never told us what time it happened did he?

who what when where and why. Seems like they left alot of those out.

It was reported that the Vinsons and their helper (Kyle maybe) all had DNA swabs taken, I would think that being the ME had Somer's body those swabs could have been tested against any DNA on her body. Whether we are privy to it or not.

Noway
01-05-2010, 11:03 PM
For a group of LE agencies who say that Somer's case is the #1 priority ... they sure are taken their sweet time getting those tests done.

I don't believe it.

Noway
01-05-2010, 11:05 PM
I don't know how long ago the Sheriff made that statement but IMO it's time to let it go. If the CCSO isn't able to clear some people by now, they aren't doing a very good job. JMO

Noway
01-05-2010, 11:08 PM
At one point we were discussing people who may have been in the neighborhood that would not have looked out of place that day, ex: LE, Bus Drivers, etc... What about a cab driver?

Who else can we add to that list:

Bus driver
Cab driver
LE
Mailman (do they deliver in vehicles or is it walking route?)

Kimberlyd125
01-05-2010, 11:09 PM
The only person I ever heard say that the construction people were cleared, was them.
IMO if it was public knowledge this "Kyle" was the last known person to see Somer alive, then all of the sudden, there is no new info on Kyle. No explanation on Kyle.
Reporter is suddenly hush hush about his conversation with Klye...

That kinda points me to the direction that there is more to the whole Klye story than meets the eye. IMO

Just maybe he is the one they are watching and they are waiting for evidence to come back to prove a case against him. This is all speculation on my part, but it's got me thinking.

Kimberlyd125
01-05-2010, 11:10 PM
Who else can we add to that list:

Bus driver
Cab driver
LE
Mailman (do they deliver in vehicles or is it walking route?)

Ice Cream Truck Driver

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 11:12 PM
I never knew about these feeds. Amandas stuff is here.

http://feed296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/feed.rss

Looks like she might have posted a somer pic today http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/?action=view&current=bday.jpg&sort=ascending

kssgdby
01-05-2010, 11:14 PM
Who else can we add to that list:

Bus driver
Cab driver
LE
Mailman (do they deliver in vehicles or is it walking route?)

Everyone but the Sheriff himself according to him.

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 11:17 PM
Originally Posted by Noway
Who else can we add to that list:

Bus driver
Cab driver
LE
Mailman (do they deliver in vehicles or is it walking route?)


Ice Cream Truck Driver

Meter reader

Cable repair/instalation

Noway
01-05-2010, 11:17 PM
Like I said, the Sheriff said that a long time ago.

If he/the CCSO hasn't been able to clear someone by now, I'd be very surprised. And if I lived in Clay County, I know who I wouldn't be voting for come election time.

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 11:20 PM
Like I said, the Sheriff said that a long time ago.

If he/the CCSO hasn't been able to clear someone by now, I'd be very surprised. And if I lived in Clay County, I know who I wouldn't be voting for come election time.

Noway, do police really ever clear anyone anymore until they catch the person?

Noway
01-05-2010, 11:22 PM
Yes. They have suspects that look good and then the evidence rules them out and the evidence turns them in another direction. JMO

New1
01-05-2010, 11:23 PM
it would make sense.. maybe didn't have anything conclusive enough during prelim testing to "hold him/them" but wanted to watch them. I know i have seen on these TV shows where they will of course make the suspect think they are in the clear - just so they will do something stupid while LE is really watching them.

I have always thought that the last place somer was on Gano was THAT house.. i don't think she ever left there on her own free will.

1) No other sightings after
2) Dogs lost scent right by there
3) the whole Kyle/reporter chicken/egg situation

I just dunno. But I'm leaning towards this.

Wasn't she seen past the Gano house a little closer to home by a friend of hers? I think it was CS's daughter who said she saw her past the Gano house. I am not sure.

eyes4crime
01-05-2010, 11:23 PM
I never knew about these feeds. Amandas stuff is here.

http://feed296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/feed.rss

Looks like she might have posted a somer pic today http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/?action=view&current=bday.jpg&sort=ascending

What an adorable picture of the twins with their birthday cakes! Looks to me like the one cake has six candles - must be from last year? Beautiful children!!! mho

Noway
01-05-2010, 11:24 PM
I guess not even the Sheriff is cleared.

Sheriff Rick Beseler states that no one will be cleared as a suspect until they find the perpetrator.

http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=507

Noway
01-05-2010, 11:27 PM
Maybe they don't come out and say that someone is cleared, but they clear them. Otherwise, would the case not be advancing at all?

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 11:29 PM
I lost a little respect for him when he came out complaining about how people would not drop the rumor about the 10 day before abduction. He was the one that did the presser on the story in the first place.

Dr.Fessel
01-05-2010, 11:30 PM
Maybe they don't come out and say that someone is cleared, but they clear them. Otherwise, would the case not be advancing at all?

That is probably it, they just don't announce it.

tarabull
01-05-2010, 11:35 PM
Who else can we add to that list:

Bus driver
Cab driver
LE
Mailman (do they deliver in vehicles or is it walking route?)


pizza delivery driver
courier driver
furniture delivery driver
water delivery driver
office supplies delivery driver
repair people

tarabull
01-05-2010, 11:41 PM
I lost a little respect for him when he came out complaining about how people would not drop the rumor about the 10 day before abduction. He was the one that did the presser on the story in the first place.

Stranger Offers Clay County Child a Ride Home (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=148404&provider=top)

How about the attempted abduction that occured Nov 18th or perhaps he doesn't consider it an actual attempt?? Tho, I suppose they did since they were looking for the vehilce....

:waitasec:

Emma Peel
01-05-2010, 11:44 PM
Nice to know Somer's justice watch (justce for her and her family) hasn't ended. Thanks mods. :gomods:

ChickenPants
01-05-2010, 11:49 PM
Who knows if this is true, but it sure would give some validity to the babysitter's statement regarding Somer's "disappearing" acts. I can't imagine though, that a cab driver would allow an unaccompanied 5 yr. old to "ride along". All of that makes no sense.

Add: unless of course, this cab driver has continued to "watch" Somer and took the opportunity to abduct her. ??? Good question...

Maybe the cab driver knew Somer and her history of running off, and picked her up to take her home because he didn't want the unthinkable to happen?
It would be interesting if LE could find/interview this person.

NSC
01-05-2010, 11:50 PM
Ice Cream Truck Driver

Yikes! That reminds me of the Mikelle Biggs case in AZ -- I was at college at ASU at the time when this happend - 1998!!! Disappeared off the face of the planet!!!! Never to be found - outside by the ice cream truck!! There were fliers EVERYWHERE!!!!!

ChickenPants
01-05-2010, 11:54 PM
For a group of LE agencies who say that Somer's case is the #1 priority ... they sure are taken their sweet time getting those tests done.

I don't believe it.

I am thinking that since LE has said they won't release evidence, and they have to say something to validate that they are still working hard on the case, a generic statement like "getting tests done" will cover them per the media.

I am very interested in an important statistic that I read: In 74 percent of child homicides, LE knows who the perp is within the first week. It could be anybody. From what I have read, homicide investigation is a real science and these detectives are very good at winnowing out perps...but they have to have the hard evidence to back it up. If they don't - or they get confessions in the wrong way - it won't hold up in court. And Justice means conviction!

ChickenPants
01-05-2010, 11:58 PM
I don't know how long ago the Sheriff made that statement but IMO it's time to let it go. If the CCSO isn't able to clear some people by now, they aren't doing a very good job. JMO

But how do we know they haven't cleared people ... the only people they ever mentioned were the RSO's they initially "ruled out". Just because they aren't making it public, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. IMO they are doing a pretty good job handling "leaks".

NSC
01-05-2010, 11:59 PM
I have to admit I NEVER knew about all those shortcuts and SCARY paths that connect from the park into Somer neighborhood -- it throws most of my earlier suspicions down the drain -- not closing those off because I find ALOT of contradictory evidence even stated by LE in media. But for now I am gonna explore elsewhere. She WOULD have just as well disappeared into the PARK as into think air with going undetected!!! Have you seen the paths??

There was an article out today - I will go dig for link -

They stated they recovered a substancial amount of evidence from the dump and the burnt house on gano. I actually submitted a question back asking -- that they never stated or confirmed this was a crime scene - news people came back with - they didnt but they are using exact terminology o investogators.

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 12:04 AM
I am going to share a strange occurrence with all of you.
I don't believe that (my) dreams are anything significant, and I have not dreamed anything about the case, until last night. I'll see what I can remember, it was strange.

It was played out like a documentary. I saw Somer running after kids (including AT and ST) and trying to play and they were trying to get rid of her.

She got on the swings. They pushed her really, really hard until she fell off. At that point, a voice said "well, if you look at her knees, you can see this happens all of the time" and sure enough her knees were all bloody and skinned. They had run off and I could hear them laughing. I didn't see what happened to her after that.

Next I am hearing a narrarator and seeing flashes of people. It was really fast. The bizarre information was that AT was involved with CPC and it was hidden from the family; CPC was behind AT being cruel to Somer. Mom totally unaware that this was going on. Somer was going to tell, the narrarator said. AT didn't want this to happen. She was protective of her special relationship with CPC. So in essence the two were complicit in trying to hurt Somer because she was going to tell. I was not told what happened, how the murder happened. That was left to figure out.

I know it is really incredibly warped, and I hope I don't get booted off of here for a dream. I am being honest. I never would imagine this myself, and I really don't believe it, to tell the truth. Just sharing.

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 12:07 AM
Ice Cream Truck Driver

maintenance man at school
warped teacher
ex babysitters

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 12:10 AM
Yes. They have suspects that look good and then the evidence rules them out and the evidence turns them in another direction. JMO


Interview
rule out by whereabouts or no evidence
re interview
narrow down list of suspects
interrogate

initial interviews are carefully orchestrated to look "casual" and may be held in the presence of others; then if interested, they get the person away from others in a more 1-1 situation, ask leading questions, have people clarify statements; then if suspected, will interrogate perhaps "down at the station house" in a restricted environment which is conducive to getting information or confessions.

human
01-06-2010, 12:11 AM
I have to admit I NEVER knew about all those shortcuts and SCARY paths that connect from the park into Somer neighborhood -- it throws most of my earlier suspicions down the drain -- not closing those off because I find ALOT of contradictory evidence even stated by LE in media. But for now I am gonna explore elsewhere. She WOULD have just as well disappeared into the PARK as into think air with going undetected!!! Have you seen the paths??

There was an article out today - I will go dig for link -

They stated they recovered a substancial amount of evidence from the dump and the burnt house on gano. I actually submitted a question back asking -- that they never stated or confirmed this was a crime scene - news people came back with - they didnt but they are using exact terminology o investogators.

If Gano isn't the crime scene. what possible evidence could they have? The fact that somebody ate Chinese?

Doesn't that imply that there is evidence related to the case there?

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 12:14 AM
I am still wondering if they have any undercover people anywhere waiting to catch someone-anyone blabbing anything...or if they are using paid informants? I'm going to try to get some info, links about it.

Noway
01-06-2010, 12:17 AM
Stranger Offers Clay County Child a Ride Home (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=148404&provider=top)

How about the attempted abduction that occured Nov 18th or perhaps he doesn't consider it an actual attempt?? Tho, I suppose they did since they were looking for the vehilce....

:waitasec:

I thought this was later found to be another nonabduction. Is this the one with the noisy truck? It doesn't say in this article ... and I can't remember clearly.

NSC
01-06-2010, 12:19 AM
If Gano isn't the crime scene. what possible evidence could they have? The fact that somebody ate Chinese?

Doesn't that imply that there is evidence related to the case there?

Human, these paths in the park -- they are BLASTING open the possibilities for me --

It never made sense to my why she would go undetected in a park -- if the only exit was back onto Gano -- However, with that little friend she was walking home with -- we don't know for how long or what not - the article is out there-- I will get a linky to it -- She said she walked home with Somer, they got into an argument and Somer bolted. This kid lives on Arbor Cirle - well there is a short cut through the park INTO arbor circle -- it is a throughfare pathway - get on google maps and Bing - VERY interesting. So, l have to wonder did she then head back to the park to wait for AC thinking he might come on over - she sees workers at Gano goes over and chit chat - and then who knows RIGHT? If something happend to her there -- they could have easily taken her out of house in a contractor garbage bag thrown into truck - drive decently close and thrown into a commercial dumpster thinking she would never be found.

NSC
01-06-2010, 12:23 AM
Human, these paths in the park -- they are BLASTING open the possibilities for me --

It never made sense to my why she would go undetected in a park -- if the only exit was back onto Gano -- However, with that little friend she was walking home with -- we don't know for how long or what not - the article is out there-- I will get a linky to it -- She said she walked home with Somer, they got into an argument and Somer bolted. This kid lives on Arbor Cirle - well there is a short cut through the park INTO arbor circle -- it is a throughfare pathway - get on google maps and Bing - VERY interesting. So, l have to wonder did she then head back to the park to wait for AC thinking he might come on over - she sees workers at Gano goes over and chit chat - and then who knows RIGHT? If something happend to her there -- they could have easily taken her out of house in a contractor garbage bag thrown into truck - drive decently close and thrown into a commercial dumpster thinking she would never be found.

Also Gano could be a rule out thing -- since Kyle did confirm he spoke with her - for all we know - it could have been neighbor kid who fits into some people hunchs if you call them of the perp - kid, teen, etc. KC - you know who I am talking about? Or I read another poster somewhere mention about the Uncle and his statement to the press - he talks like Susan Smith like she wont be found - yes, I know I going to find the link now my hands are cramping up.

NSC
01-06-2010, 12:27 AM
I thought this was later found to be another nonabduction. Is this the one with the noisy truck? It doesn't say in this article ... and I can't remember clearly.

Wasnt this the honda one? Did infinity mention a honda?

Noway
01-06-2010, 12:31 AM
No, Infinity mentioned a convertible. But I don't think Honda.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park thread #17

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 12:40 AM
Here is the latest news update from the Clay County Sheriff's web page.

As you can see, nothing posted on Somer for awhile. But you may want to scroll down and check out some of the earlier issues which some posters here may feel are possibly related to the crime.

http://www.claysheriff.com/05_00_00news.asp

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 12:46 AM
Re: Gano House as crime scene.

I see no reason why any perpetrator could not have been lurking in or around the house. Who says for sure that Kyle was in the house or anywhere near the house...it is what he said, right? Has it been proven that he was actually there? Why he would say it if it was not so, I don't know, but stranger things have happened here...

If he was not, a person could have taken her in there and killed her, since it was a vacant house. The crime would have been out of sight. That's easy.

NSC
01-06-2010, 12:53 AM
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Family-has-special-connection-to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx
snipped:
“Minutes before she was walking with this little girl. I mean, yea it's definitely sunk in...It gives me goose bumps...thinking it could have been fifty-fifty, I mean, just like that,” said George Cagle.

McKenzie told detectives she and Somer got into some kind of argument, Somer ran ahead of her, and that was the last anyone has seen of her.

“We took McKenzie inside and asked her if she seen her...she said yea, I walked home with her. And she had said something about, there was a little argument or something, and then she ran off,” said Cagle.

“I tried to tell her, it's okay. You're not in trouble, but we need to know did you see which way she ran or whatever. And she had told me, well, when I see her tomorrow at school I'll ask her where she goes...and it just, gave me goose bumps...I mean it is right now...and I tried to explain to her, McKenzie, you're not understanding...we're looking for her. She won't be there unless you can tell me what you know,” said Cagle.

McKenzie was able to show police where she last saw Somer. After that, she says Somer disappeared without a trace.

So it is possible she did walk most of the way home with her?? Current statements say Somer walked ahead then disappeared - Gosh I would really like to know the last place this little girl really saw Somer -

Noway
01-06-2010, 12:55 AM
when I see her tomorrow at school I'll ask her where she goes...


This is what first lead me to think Somer took a shortcut or a route that M. wasn't familiar with.

Dr.Fessel
01-06-2010, 01:04 AM
I'll ask her where she goes...and it just, gave me goose bumps...I mean it is right now...and I tried to explain to her, McKenzie, you're not understanding...we're looking for her. She won't be there unless you can tell me what you know,” said Cagle.

Statements like this really get me,,,,,,,,,,kids live in such a different world then we do.

NSC
01-06-2010, 01:04 AM
Yes Noway or possible Somer told her she has a friend or something she visits but this little girl would not know where because it would be between this girls house and Somer home -- did you see all the paths that go through the backyard on to Briarwood? I missed alot here during holidays --

Dr.Fessel
01-06-2010, 01:08 AM
Here is another thing that bothers me. We don't know what time Kyle talked to her. It could have been alot later than if she had just been walking past in a timely matter from school.

NSC
01-06-2010, 01:09 AM
I'll ask her where she goes...and it just, gave me goose bumps...I mean it is right now...and I tried to explain to her, McKenzie, you're not understanding...we're looking for her. She won't be there unless you can tell me what you know,” said Cagle.

Statements like this really get me,,,,,,,,,,kids live in such a different world then we do.

Hey Doc - do you think a project like the gano house would have had black contractor bags on site??

And what do you really think of the statement? If you look at statement analysis - chick p posted it and I posted it once before -- and someone else mentioned recently - it sounds like the Susan Smith - SHE WONT BE THERE - to be the fly on the wall to read the clock/time on THIS interview - how would he know she WOULD not be there -- Unless M tells them what she knows? Unless he knew M had nothing to tell - Who knows this guy prob has a alibi and innocent bystander -

This article was brought to my attention today -- I thought NOTHING of it -- I think it could be a 0 or it could be a 10 -- nothing in between - KWIM?

NSC
01-06-2010, 01:11 AM
Here is another thing that bothers me. We don't know what time Kyle talked to her. It could have been alot later than if she had just been walking past in a timely matter from school.

Did you see my previous post? Walking home with M- Cut through park onto Arbor (SERIOUSLY, these short cuts make ANYTHING possible)- gets upset with M - Runs back to park - then approaches gano house

Has anyone drawn on the map where the short cuts run? If not I will do one tomorrow -- it took some manuvering with different programs -- plus some of Sads pics -

Dr.Fessel
01-06-2010, 01:28 AM
Hey Doc - do you think a project like the gano house would have had black contractor bags on site??

And what do you really think of the statement? If you look at statement analysis - chick p posted it and I posted it once before -- and someone else mentioned recently - it sounds like the Susan Smith - SHE WONT BE THERE - to be the fly on the wall to read the clock/time on THIS interview - how would he know she WOULD not be there -- Unless M tells them what she knows? Unless he knew M had nothing to tell - Who knows this guy prob has a alibi and innocent bystander -

This article was brought to my attention today -- I thought NOTHING of it -- I think it could be a 0 or it could be a 10 -- nothing in between - KWIM?

I would not be surprised to find large black garbage bags or even empty bags from insulation that are not see through, also old tarps or black plastic used to seal up the house or holes in roof before the repairs were made after the fire.

Something does not seem right with that whole story. WHY the uncle. Is he unemployed living with this family? Works an odd shift? Why did he have to ask her all that stuff. I don't like it at all and how did he know then for sure she was gone.

NSC
01-06-2010, 01:33 AM
I would not be surprised to find large black garbage bags or even empty bags from insulation that are not see through, also old tarps or black plastic used to seal up the house or holes in roof before the repairs were made after the fire.

Something does not seem right with that whole story. WHY the uncle. Is he unemployed living with this family? Works an odd shift? Why did he have to ask her all that stuff. I don't like it at all and how did he know then for sure she was gone.

I agree - but maybe just not the uncle - i think we also need to look at ala neighbors around this house - catch my drift? Go read some of the new articles tonight and comments by people in the neighborhood that live there ;)

Dr.Fessel
01-06-2010, 01:35 AM
Did you see my previous post? Walking home with M- Cut through park onto Arbor (SERIOUSLY, these short cuts make ANYTHING possible)- gets upset with M - Runs back to park - then approaches gano house

Has anyone drawn on the map where the short cuts run? If not I will do one tomorrow -- it took some manuvering with different programs -- plus some of Sads pics -

My belief all along is she took one of those short cuts and the perp saw his chance to grab her since she was alone. I think he was a younger guy in his 20s, living with family or friends, he has been in some trouble but not real serious, is alone in this house, either is unemployed or works a different shift then other people in the house and watches the kids use the shortcut and sees somer alone on this day.

Dr.Fessel
01-06-2010, 01:36 AM
I agree - but maybe just not the uncle - i think we also need to look at ala neighbors around this house - catch my drift? Go read some of the new articles tonight and comments by people in the neighborhood that live there ;)

Oh cool, the grass cutting neighbors have always peaked my intrest.

Dr.Fessel
01-06-2010, 01:39 AM
Hint on what news outlet?

sadnpod
01-06-2010, 01:43 AM
Hi everyone... so nice to see you all here....nice work tonight too..

doggies
01-06-2010, 01:59 AM
The top of the list are the most prevalent offenders.
The bottom of the lest are the least frequent offenders.
Of child homicide. I have been looking at statistics for 3 days. Have to sort through long documents for what popped up on this simple list. ICD codes are commonly-used professional protocols. For example there is ICD protocols for diseases, etc. Don't ask me what ICD is lol it's been around since the dinosaurs.
Just found us again. Wow.
ICD stands for International Statistical Classification of Diseases...I knew that from working customer service calls at the hospital...just FYI, everybody, and oh, it's so good to see you again.

NSC
01-06-2010, 02:02 AM
My belief all along is she took one of those short cuts and the perp saw his chance to grab her since she was alone. I think he was a younger guy in his 20s, living with family or friends, he has been in some trouble but not real serious, is alone in this house, either is unemployed or works a different shift then other people in the house and watches the kids use the shortcut and sees somer alone on this day.

I think she took shortcut through the park or started with her friend M - When she became upset - came back through the park and made her way back onto Gano and approached the perp herself - I don't think she was snatched. Like I said people posting about "creep" on Gano in the neighborhood --didn't name any names -- sure it is just a poster opinion but it sure makes you think!!!! Gano house or Neighbor - she could have talked to K and he could have been on his merry way back to work or getting ready to wrap for the day - then kid next door area - she could then made her way over to him talked to him - this kid likes to talk to someone at all times - according to myspace - He could have lured her in with cookies and puppies for all we know -- then somehow he took her over to Gano house - gonna pass it off on the workers if he even had it planned at this point -- So, now he is armed with all kinds of things to dispose a body with -- I don't think she was put in the dumpster here though -- if this is the case there would just be maybe some physical evidence --

human
01-06-2010, 02:03 AM
I agree - but maybe just not the uncle - i think we also need to look at ala neighbors around this house - catch my drift? Go read some of the new articles tonight and comments by people in the neighborhood that live there ;)

Could you please tell us which articles to look at ? TIA

human
01-06-2010, 02:05 AM
I think she took shortcut through the park or started with her friend M - When she became upset - came back through the park and made her way back onto Gano and approached the perp herself - I don't think she was snatched. Like I said people posting about "creep" on Gano in the neighborhood --didn't name any names -- sure it is just a poster opinion but it sure makes you think!!!! Gano house or Neighbor - she could have talked to K and he could have been on his merry way back to work or getting ready to wrap for the day - then kid next door area - she could then made her way over to him talked to him - this kid likes to talk to someone at all times - according to myspace - He could have lured her in with cookies and puppies for all we know -- then somehow he took her over to Gano house - gonna pass it off on the workers if he even had it planned at this point -- So, now he is armed with all kinds of things to dispose a body with -- I don't think she was put in the dumpster here though -- if this is the case there would just be maybe some physical evidence --

People do know who the creeps are in the neighborhood, that's for sure. Can you point us to the article, please?

Dr.Fessel
01-06-2010, 02:20 AM
I have always said people in the lawn business know where dumpsters are that they can use late at night to get rid of clippings in if they don't make it to the dump in time or have reached their limit at the dump. I never did see a dumpster at that lawn care business next to the gano house so what do they do with their clippings?

NSC
01-06-2010, 02:22 AM
People do know who the creeps are in the neighborhood, that's for sure. Can you point us to the article, please?

Sure :) Comments section --

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=150290&catid=3

human
01-06-2010, 02:29 AM
so a creep on Gano. Do they mean WLK or someone else?

sadnpod
01-06-2010, 02:31 AM
there are umpteen creeps on gano and umpteem vacant creepy houses

sadnpod
01-06-2010, 02:32 AM
O/T.. I am so glad you are all here sleuthing... warms my heart... but ewwwwwwwwwww did we have to get the yellow teeth add again?

Dr.Fessel
01-06-2010, 02:43 AM
O/T.. I am so glad you are all here sleuthing... warms my heart... but ewwwwwwwwwww did we have to get the yellow teeth add again?

I have the flow tv add now:dance:

zannah
01-06-2010, 02:55 AM
Speaking of creeps, did anyone ever come up with an id for Mr. Tight Jeans, Sad? I've been looking back over bits and pieces I put together awhile back.

sadnpod
01-06-2010, 03:23 AM
Speaking of creeps, did anyone ever come up with an id for Mr. Tight Jeans, Sad? I've been looking back over bits and pieces I put together awhile back.

closest we came was Chris or "Bones", worked as a bouncer at Crazy Horse and earned himself a poly by LE for bein so weird. Funeral Crasher thanks to ST and party (me too) and our van. Stalked DT according to iwannano, LE said just a weird guy.. not a suspect... assume he passed poly.. (this was what LE said to me when I called about him)

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 08:52 AM
I have to admit I NEVER knew about all those shortcuts and SCARY paths that connect from the park into Somer neighborhood -- it throws most of my earlier suspicions down the drain -- not closing those off because I find ALOT of contradictory evidence even stated by LE in media. But for now I am gonna explore elsewhere. She WOULD have just as well disappeared into the PARK as into think air with going undetected!!! Have you seen the paths??

There was an article out today - I will go dig for link -

They stated they recovered a substancial amount of evidence from the dump and the burnt house on gano. I actually submitted a question back asking -- that they never stated or confirmed this was a crime scene - news people came back with - they didnt but they are using exact terminology o investogators.

To me, park or Gano house isn't the issue any more, because perp could have been waiting in either place. She disappeared somewhere, and nobody saw anything. There had to have been people in the park, at that time of day, even around "scary" places ... there were so many kids and people. It could not have been totally deserted. What seems obvious in my mind is wherever it happened, it happened quickly and the perp did not cause any suspicion, there was no noise, no yelling...she went willingly, that says. Either with a stranger she trusted or with someone she knew.


Re location we have to hope and believe that LE knew and checked out those scary lanes, too, and search parties, etc. But they focused on Gano house as a "crime scene" as well as men's bathroom because there must have been something to draw them there. By now surely they would have had tip(s) about the park roads just like we are discussing them...?

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 09:07 AM
closest we came was Chris or "Bones", worked as a bouncer at Crazy Horse and earned himself a poly by LE for bein so weird. Funeral Crasher thanks to ST and party (me too) and our van. Stalked DT according to iwannano, LE said just a weird guy.. not a suspect... assume he passed poly.. (this was what LE said to me when I called about him)

Just a thought: Why would LE tell anyone if Mr. Tight Jeans was a suspect, if they are not saying anything about anyone? Maybe they are watching him right now and waiting for more evidence....

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 09:12 AM
Assuming that LE's statement about "waiting for DNA evidence to come back" or "sifting through (a lot) of evidence" is accurate, what evidence do you think they could be talking about? We've already established that with Somer found in landfill, there would be compromised DNA. And that DNA is tricky. So what other evidence do you think they have? Items from men's room, items from Gano House? Statements as evidence that they have to check out?

Because if evidence is the only reason they have not made an arrest, it is a significant problem. With the large amount of evidence they are talking about, chances are they have found SOMETHING Maybe they are waiting for corroborating evidence?

Huge evidence would be any one of those so-called bookbags that she carried, and the pink one with lunch box especially. That information has disappeared off the radar, too.

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 09:18 AM
Since we do not know if Somer was sexually molested, we also do not know if, during an autopsy, it was discovered that she had been sexually molested over a period of time.

And this is something they definitely can discern during an autopsy.

I am also looking at babysitter theories. With a history of different babysitters, could there have been a male one in the past? It could have been a female babysitter as well.

The only babysitter we know of is the 17 year old. There was a little girl (AT's age) who I talked to on FB (she sent me a message) a while back who had logged onto the Justice For Somer site and she had talked about being Somer's babysitter and how much she missed Somer. She said her mother monitored her FB conversations and would not let her be friends unless mom knew the person. This is assuming she is a real child and not a lurker posing as a child. She gave definite information about what Somer liked to do, and what a "happy" child she was...etc.

My next obvious question is: Why did DT and SP make it a point to tell LE that SP had "never babysat before"? In this context (above) I am thinking of it, because we have already discussed other reasons.

I guess LE is already onto all of these things, I would hope. They have probably read everything ever posted on the internet, including WS. They have internet detectives.

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 09:25 AM
Hey Doc - do you think a project like the gano house would have had black contractor bags on site??

And what do you really think of the statement? If you look at statement analysis - chick p posted it and I posted it once before -- and someone else mentioned recently - it sounds like the Susan Smith - SHE WONT BE THERE - to be the fly on the wall to read the clock/time on THIS interview - how would he know she WOULD not be there -- Unless M tells them what she knows? Unless he knew M had nothing to tell - Who knows this guy prob has a alibi and innocent bystander -

This article was brought to my attention today -- I thought NOTHING of it -- I think it could be a 0 or it could be a 10 -- nothing in between - KWIM?

Somebody (Sad or another FL sleuther) took and posted a picture on WS of the Gano house complete with dumpster overflowing with pieces of wood and big black garbage bags...also that vid, I posted a while back of LE on a loop looking into the gano dumpster, it was stuffed with black bags.

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 09:30 AM
No, Infinity mentioned a convertible. But I don't think Honda.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park thread #17 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4418537&postcount=258)

How do you find these WS links SO FAST???????? LOL

houndstooth
01-06-2010, 09:34 AM
Somebody (Sad or another FL sleuther) took and posted a picture on WS of the Gano house complete with dumpster overflowing with pieces of wood and big black garbage bags...also that vid, I posted a while back of LE on a loop looking into the gano dumpster, it was stuffed with black bags.

I don't worry about what they found at Gano myself. They have to clear those guys with DNA and other exclusionary evidence. If not, DT's future defense atty can have a field day with it.

houndstooth
01-06-2010, 09:43 AM
What you think the construction workers killed her in that house and threw her in a conveniently located dumpster on their own jobsite? Not likely. And their vehicles are not still impounded as evidence so they didn't take her somewhere else either.
They are cleared in my mind.

sadnpod
01-06-2010, 09:52 AM
Good morning all!!

MC's comment of asking her "where she goes" has always been curious to me. Making it sound like there was somewhere or someone she visited on a regular basis.

sadnpod
01-06-2010, 09:56 AM
What you think the construction workers killed her in that house and threw her in a conveniently located dumpster on their own jobsite? Not likely. And their vehicles are not still impounded as evidence so they didn't take her somewhere else either.
They are cleared in my mind.

Im with you on this hounds, I dont think Gano house is crime scene, nor do I think workers there are still suspects.

houndstooth
01-06-2010, 10:03 AM
If you think about it, here we just try to determine who did it. When the case goes to trial, the state and LE will also have to be prepared to show why a whole lot of people the defense might bring up, COULDN"T have done it as well as prove their own case.

Noway
01-06-2010, 10:41 AM
How do you find these WS links SO FAST???????? LOL

lol
If someone posts something that has info in it, or people come on asking for a certain post over and over, I bookmark it.

Right-click on the post number and choose Bookmark This Link. I've got a folder ... and sometimes I bookmark the link under more than one name to have it listed under all the pieces of info that were important to me. (eta: which doesn't mean I miss what is important to others ... we all see different points in a post/article).

Infinity's post is one of my links that used to be in my signature. The list is posted on page 1 of this thread (and most likely will be on future threads too).

Noway
01-06-2010, 10:48 AM
Sure :) Comments section --

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=150290&catid=3

I'd been wondering how the residents of OP felt about Somer's killer still being out there. Thank you!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=60321793001
(direct link to video in that story)

ETA: It does make me wonder why parents continue to allow their kids on camera though. As scared as they are.

sadnpod
01-06-2010, 11:40 AM
I dont get it Noway.... NO WAY i would put kids out there like that, for no apparent reason either.

Dr.Fessel
01-06-2010, 11:44 AM
I don't think Vinsons getting their truck back cleared them. And really the only way we know he got the truck and trailer back is he said it right? They are trying to save their business and I could imagine them lying about that.

Dr.Fessel
01-06-2010, 11:47 AM
Houndstooth, the dumpster was not emptied at the gano house so she could not have been dumped in it.

liz b.
01-06-2010, 12:31 PM
As I understand it :

1. Somer walked from school with her friend M ; they walked along Gano.

2. Somer ran ahead,and caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano.She became upset after a conversation with her sister,and ran ahead.Her siblings lost sight of her in a large group of kids walking along Gano.

3.She was seen at the propane tanks on Gano.

4. She was seen at the Gano House by a worker,who said she praised their work,and then left the way she came.

5.Connie S's daughter saw Somer at the junction of Gano and Grove Park Drive. * Somer's siblings did not see her at all on the rest of their walk home. We do not know who, if anyone,she was with when Connie S's daughter saw her.*

I have been thinking in too much of a linear way, because I placed her at the corner of Gano and Grove Park, AFTER she exited the Gano House. It could easily happened that she walked back to the Gano House AFTER she saw Connie S's daughter. Didn't an anonymous caller suggest that LE check the Gano House and dumpster ? They must have seen something ?

For what it's worth, I believe that most construction companies -- even small ones -- start work early, about 7a.m., and finish up early too, usually around 3p.m. * Speculating * that someone could have offered a ride, or gone to the park with Somer ?

zannah
01-06-2010, 12:31 PM
Thought this was interesting--mystery fire recently destroyed several medical offices on Kingsley. Looks close to where Orange Park dental office is located. Probably no connection, but with this case, who knows?

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Orange-Park-businesses-burn/yW47-bfia0aMdUzcPHRQMw.cspx

pinamia
01-06-2010, 12:36 PM
Hey Doc - do you think a project like the gano house would have had black contractor bags on site??

And what do you really think of the statement? If you look at statement analysis - chick p posted it and I posted it once before -- and someone else mentioned recently - it sounds like the Susan Smith - SHE WONT BE THERE - to be the fly on the wall to read the clock/time on THIS interview - how would he know she WOULD not be there -- Unless M tells them what she knows? Unless he knew M had nothing to tell - Who knows this guy prob has a alibi and innocent bystander -

This article was brought to my attention today -- I thought NOTHING of it -- I think it could be a 0 or it could be a 10 -- nothing in between - KWIM?

It sounds like he knows something. Good work. I hope they interviewed him very closely as to his alibi. Something tells me Somer could have gone home with this little girl and met her end there. Only my opinion.

NSC
01-06-2010, 12:46 PM
Yall are you understanding the shortcuts through the park? It totally takes the thinking away they she would only be able to get home on Gano to Debarry - I am gonna make some maps!

NSC
01-06-2010, 01:28 PM
Here is one map showing shortcut from The Park onto Grove Park Rd just above Arbor Circle - cross the road and continue down path taking you out to Briarwood - you need to go from Google to bing and back and forth you will see how it flows. But I am mapping it so you know how to look..

Noway
01-06-2010, 01:36 PM
My thought on the shortcut was Willow to Arbor and through friend's yard to DeBarry.

Why to Briarwood ?

ETA
Looking at map, she could have gone on Arbor Circle to friend's and then onto DeBarry.

New1
01-06-2010, 02:09 PM
As I understand it :

1. Somer walked from school with her friend M ; they walked along Gano.

2. Somer ran ahead,and caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano.She became upset after a conversation with her sister,and ran ahead.Her siblings lost sight of her in a large group of kids walking along Gano.

3.She was seen at the propane tanks on Gano.

4. She was seen at the Gano House by a worker,who said she praised their work,and then left the way she came.

5.Connie S's daughter saw Somer at the junction of Gano and Grove Park Drive. * Somer's siblings did not see her at all on the rest of their walk home. We do not know who, if anyone,she was with when Connie S's daughter saw her.*

I have been thinking in too much of a linear way, because I placed her at the corner of Gano and Grove Park, AFTER she exited the Gano House. It could easily happened that she walked back to the Gano House AFTER she saw Connie S's daughter. Didn't an anonymous caller suggest that LE check the Gano House and dumpster ? They must have seen something ?

For what it's worth, I believe that most construction companies -- even small ones -- start work early, about 7a.m., and finish up early too, usually around 3p.m. * Speculating * that someone could have offered a ride, or gone to the park with Somer ?

If this statement by kyle is true, Somer would have gone back toward the school, wouldn't she? I am assuming she approached the Gano house from the direction of the school. Of course, I don't think I have ever heard from which direction she came to the Gano house. I guess she could have passed it by on her way home then doubled back and came to the Gano house from toward Debarry, thus never being seen by the crossing guard at Debarry. It would help if we knew what time kyle saw her and what time CS's daughter saw her, and what time it was when she separated from the little girl who said she walked home with Somer that day. I suppose LE has all that information and have determined the time line of who was the last to see Somer that day, but are not releasing that information.

I am wondering now about MC telling her uncle she walked home with Somer that day. Did she mean her home or Somer's home?

liz b.
01-06-2010, 02:19 PM
I remember reading that she walked from the school with her friend M for about 5 minutes. She then caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano. As far as I can tell she didn't see M again. The whole scenario that was given by the worker at the Gano House does not sound true to me. Something's off there IMO.

sadnpod
01-06-2010, 02:21 PM
Her wording tells me somer walked her home, plus her house is on the way to somers. Going to somers first then mc going home would be backwards, kwim?

Noway
01-06-2010, 02:54 PM
I thought Kyle just meant that Somer exited the yard the way she came in.

human
01-06-2010, 03:26 PM
IIRC, the quote was that she went "around the house" at Gano. Whatever that means.

Did she go into the back yard?

Someone saw Somer in front of the Gano house. The workers were questioned by LE because someone saw Somer there on the sidewalk and she was seen nowhere else, except by the little M girl that walked with Somer.

LE told Kyle that HE was the last KNOWN person to see Somer alive, but we have this little girl that saw Somer WHEN?

Seriously, why would Kyle say that he saw Somer? He must have. Why make up a story that puts you in the microscope of hundreds of LE? Remember, the reporter called Kyle, so Kyle is not some serial confessor.

Everything is totally mum on Kyle. Everyone else seems to have statements and are people that are identified by first and last name. What's up with Kyle?

Noway
01-06-2010, 03:59 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/21409330/

Ryan Hughes talked over the phone with Kyle.

Kyle says that Somer told workers they were doing a good job on the renovations. LE questioned Kyle and George CV.

Not calling Gano house the murder scene. (Mary Justino)

GCV worked at Gano site 2 months ago. Sister says GCV passed polygraph conducted by Sheriff's office.

Somer's body will not be released in time for services.

Again ... George and Kyle are not suspects in this case.



Hmm. Don't know if that means they have been cleared.

liz b.
01-06-2010, 04:00 PM
Yes, I do believe that she went into the yard of the Gano House. What absolutely does not ring true for me is what Kyle says happened. That comment about the work ? Then, says nothing else and simply leaves the yard ? I just do not buy it at all. It is likely that Kyle realised that someone saw her go in the yard,perhaps they were the person who called LE, and told them to search the Gano House and the dumpster. Kyle would have to tell LE something,like what she said or did. *Speculation * If Connie S's daughter saw Somer BEFORE she went into the yard, then it becomes even more suspicious, IMO. Would it be around Kyle's quitting time ?
I thought that Somer did not see M again after she ran off. The narrative I read said that she caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano. She ran away from M after they had a disagreement.

New1
01-06-2010, 04:00 PM
IIRC, the quote was that she went "around the house" at Gano. Whatever that means.

Did she go into the back yard?

Someone saw Somer in front of the Gano house. The workers were questioned by LE because someone saw Somer there on the sidewalk and she was seen nowhere else, except by the little M girl that walked with Somer.

LE told Kyle that HE was the last KNOWN person to see Somer alive, but we have this little girl that saw Somer WHEN?

Seriously, why would Kyle say that he saw Somer? He must have. Why make up a story that puts you in the microscope of hundreds of LE? Remember, the reporter called Kyle, so Kyle is not some serial confessor.

Everything is totally mum on Kyle. Everyone else seems to have statements and are people that are identified by first and last name. What's up with Kyle?

BBM

Past the Gano house, a little closer to home, I believe. From the map someone posted about who saw Somer where, the spot closer to home where this little girl saw her appears to be right near the corner of Gano and Debarry, but on the opposite side of the street. She could have crossed the street at the Gano house and walked on the opposite side of the street cutting the corner of Gano and Debarry and still walked on Debarry without crossing in front of the crossing guard. Do you think this is a possibility?

Noway
01-06-2010, 04:05 PM
I don't know whether to believe Dan Mahla when he says that Somer caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano because he also said she was released by the school at 2:50 ... but the story is now that she was last seen by her siblings at 2:45 ... so the time doesn't mesh. You can' leave school and 5 minutes earlier meet up with your siblings.

Noway
01-06-2010, 04:13 PM
Somer walks with MC up to a point when she has spat.
J., boy on bicycle sees Somer at tanks with frown on her face.
Somer talks with Kyle.
Somer is seen near Gano and Grove Park by CS.
Somer catches up with siblings in 1100 block of Gano (this is near Gano and Grove Park).
Somer takes off, and they lose sight of her in the crowd of other kids.


So did Somer hide somewhere, let her siblings pass her and head back to the park to take the shortcut? If so, maybe she talked to Kyle then.

I think they are not relying on the statements of the children ... so that may be why Kyle is the "last one" ... or he is. She could have also encountered M. again and walked home with her ... and then taken the route that made M. comment that tomorrow she'd ask her where she goes.

That is all speculation on my part, not fact.

liz b.
01-06-2010, 04:34 PM
I noticed the different times given. It makes it very difficult to pin anything down completely. This is an event where even a couple of minutes makes a difference. I can't get over how the window of opportunity for the killer was so small.

liz b.
01-06-2010, 04:50 PM
One other thought : I was struck from the beginning at how Somer was surrounded by kids on her journey home. All along Gano. But, the only place I know she was alone,( because Kyle never mentioned any kids with her ), was when she walked into the yard of the Gano House. It is very possible that a person,or people saw her going in there. But, I doubt that anyone would have noticed that she didn't come out. So, I guess that everything else I have written and thought is speculation ( the park, getting a ride etc.), but she was indeed alone at the Gano House.

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 04:53 PM
What you think the construction workers killed her in that house and threw her in a conveniently located dumpster on their own jobsite? Not likely. And their vehicles are not still impounded as evidence so they didn't take her somewhere else either.
They are cleared in my mind.

"Ayyyyy! Yew tawikin' ta MEE?" (lol) I don't think construction workers did it. I think somebody else might have done it there or around there and put her in the dumpster.

sadnpod
01-06-2010, 04:59 PM
[QUOTE=Noway;4645178]Somer walks with MC up to a point when she has spat.
J., boy on bicycle sees Somer at tanks with frown on her face.
Somer talks with Kyle.
Somer is seen near Gano and Grove Park by CS.
Somer catches up with siblings in 1100 block of Gano (this is near Gano and Grove Park).
Somer takes off, and they lose sight of her in the crowd of other kids.
So did Somer hide somewhere, let her siblings pass her and head back to the park to take the shortcut? If so, maybe she talked to Kyle then.

I think they are not relying on the statements of the children ... so that may be why Kyle is the "last one" ... or he is. She could have also encountered M. again and walked home with her ... and then taken the route that made M. comment that tomorrow she'd ask her where she goes.

BBM
maybe both stories are true..

she leaves school w sibs, argues with abby, smacks sam with backpack, runs left on gano
boy on bicycle sees Somer at tanks with frown on her face. (hiding from sibs, they pass, she then:
Somer talks with Kyle.
Somer is seen near Gano and Grove Park by CS.
Somer catches up with siblings in 1100 block of Gano (this is near Gano and Grove Park).
Somer takes off, and they lose sight of her in the crowd of other kids.[/B] MC is a part of this crowd, goes right on grove park wth MC, has another spat with her and heads to shortcut back to park from grove park to wait for ac
or takes shortcut home from arbor to debarry through hole in fence.

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 05:01 PM
If this statement by kyle is true, Somer would have gone back toward the school, wouldn't she? I am assuming she approached the Gano house from the direction of the school. Of course, I don't think I have ever heard from which direction she came to the Gano house. I guess she could have passed it by on her way home then doubled back and came to the Gano house from toward Debarry, thus never being seen by the crossing guard at Debarry. It would help if we knew what time kyle saw her and what time CS's daughter saw her, and what time it was when she separated from the little girl who said she walked home with Somer that day. I suppose LE has all that information and have determined the time line of who was the last to see Somer that day, but are not releasing that information.

I am wondering now about MC telling her uncle she walked home with Somer that day. Did she mean her home or Somer's home?

What I'm thinking while reading this is "neighbors". It's said that "neighbors" were in charge of looking out for the Thompson kids, and that Somer would drop by a "neigbor's" house (whose?) to play, and insinuated that one "neighbor" got tired of having her hanging around. Which if any of the regular neighbors who knew her may live around that particular (Gano) area where she was allegedly last seen? Could she have been on her way to one of their houses when she disappeared. Would it be a neighbor that was on DT's call-down list whenever Somer was away for a while? Not to blame the neighbors, but to narrow down which way she might have been headed.

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 05:06 PM
As I understand it :

1. Somer walked from school with her friend M ; they walked along Gano.

2. Somer ran ahead,and caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano.She became upset after a conversation with her sister,and ran ahead.Her siblings lost sight of her in a large group of kids walking along Gano.

3.She was seen at the propane tanks on Gano.

4. She was seen at the Gano House by a worker,who said she praised their work,and then left the way she came.

5.Connie S's daughter saw Somer at the junction of Gano and Grove Park Drive. * Somer's siblings did not see her at all on the rest of their walk home. We do not know who, if anyone,she was with when Connie S's daughter saw her.*

I have been thinking in too much of a linear way, because I placed her at the corner of Gano and Grove Park, AFTER she exited the Gano House. It could easily happened that she walked back to the Gano House AFTER she saw Connie S's daughter. Didn't an anonymous caller suggest that LE check the Gano House and dumpster ? They must have seen something ?

For what it's worth, I believe that most construction companies -- even small ones -- start work early, about 7a.m., and finish up early too, usually around 3p.m. * Speculating * that someone could have offered a ride, or gone to the park with Somer ?

As far as statements go by anybody in this case, they haven't been proven to my knowledge, and some of them are conflicting. When little children make statements, the often change them, as well. The quotes about what AT told happened and Uncles and all of these people were made early on in the case. We all know the statements on MPR are also subject to scrutiny or speculation.

None of the things so far about where Somer went, or was last seen, or who she fought with (some say at school, some say on the way home), or whether she ran ahead and ST behind, or whether SP was there to babysit, etc., have been validated to my knowledge. In fact, a lot of them just don't add up. We don't even know what time DT really got to the park or to her house and can't prove who called whom when. But LE must know by now.

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 05:08 PM
Somer walks with MC up to a point when she has spat.
J., boy on bicycle sees Somer at tanks with frown on her face.
Somer talks with Kyle.
Somer is seen near Gano and Grove Park by CS.
Somer catches up with siblings in 1100 block of Gano (this is near Gano and Grove Park).
Somer takes off, and they lose sight of her in the crowd of other kids.


So did Somer hide somewhere, let her siblings pass her and head back to the park to take the shortcut? If so, maybe she talked to Kyle then.

I think they are not relying on the statements of the children ... so that may be why Kyle is the "last one" ... or he is. She could have also encountered M. again and walked home with her ... and then taken the route that made M. comment that tomorrow she'd ask her where she goes.

That is all speculation on my part, not fact.

Where were all the neighbors keeping an eye out for her in these various areas? And if they weren't, then why weren't they? Some gave rides in the morning and some allegedly were watching in the afternoon, correct? What happened here?

infinity14
01-06-2010, 05:08 PM
IIRC, the quote was that she went "around the house" at Gano. Whatever that means.

Did she go into the back yard?

Someone saw Somer in front of the Gano house. The workers were questioned by LE because someone saw Somer there on the sidewalk and she was seen nowhere else, except by the little M girl that walked with Somer.

LE told Kyle that HE was the last KNOWN person to see Somer alive, but we have this little girl that saw Somer WHEN?

Seriously, why would Kyle say that he saw Somer? He must have. Why make up a story that puts you in the microscope of hundreds of LE? Remember, the reporter called Kyle, so Kyle is not some serial confessor.

Everything is totally mum on Kyle. Everyone else seems to have statements and are people that are identified by first and last name. What's up with Kyle?

BBM
Because IF Somer's DNA was found at the burned out house and Kyle didn't admit that she was there, he becomes suspect #1. IF he was involved it would be smart for him to say "she was here for a minute, but left". KWIM? Just my opinion!

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 05:09 PM
I remember reading that she walked from the school with her friend M for about 5 minutes. She then caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano. As far as I can tell she didn't see M again. The whole scenario that was given by the worker at the Gano House does not sound true to me. Something's off there IMO.

If he was looking for his fifteen minutes of fame, it sizzled out. But why compromise himself by making that up, I wonder? Surely he knew they would interview him as a possible suspect?

NSC
01-06-2010, 05:13 PM
Wanted to post this article--Read Comments below article:

http://wokv.com/localnews/2010/01/search-for-somers-killer-far-f.html#comments

Snip:


Detectives collected what they describe as a large quantity of evidence at both the garbage dump where the 7-year-old's body was found, and a vacant home near Somer's school

I made a comment for follow up on this article:

It has never been released/confirmed that the house on Gano was a "crime" scene -- Are you confirming this??
This reply was made back:
Reply to "Girl"
No, there is no confirmation that any crime occured in the vacant house.

We are simply reporting that status of the investigation, using the terms of the investigators.
-Mike
By Mike Dorwart, Program Director @ 01/05/10 04:57:04 PMreport abuseHouse

I asked more follow up questions that they did not answer.

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 05:16 PM
If she had a fight with another child, was it a one-time thing or a regular thing? I ask this because if it was a regular thing, and AT knew about it (she chided her later), then chances are she would run off regularly - well, we know she did!

Isn't there someone (a child a "neighbor" who knows her regular run-to places? On this day, why should she have run somewhere different? She must have had a "habit" of going off in certain directions, and to where? That would narrow down the possible routes she took. Had she ever been on the "scary" roads before? Where did they lead to for her? Would someone who could hurt her know that he might find her there?

Do we know, for instance, if she would run home and then run out again? Was she home alone for any amount of time...did she have a key (unlikely) or did someone else usually let her in? Did she run somewhere else because AT had a key to let them in, or the older brother? Or was the house left unlocked (DT once said she didn't have to lock her doors, the neighborhood was so safe).

It seems like she would probably run off and come home when she knew someone was there to let her in. Who among the neighbors on the phone list DT provided can give some of these answers?

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 05:43 PM
Putting Somer in the normal context of other children going home after school:

They are all excited and wired up getting out of school. There are different kids splitting off at different routes and taking different streets home. Kids on the sidewalks even far ahead of where AT and ST (who was lagging behind) last saw their sister. A busy time of the day with even parents looking out the doors or windows for their kids. People all over. Cars going up and down streets, and they have to drive slowly or stop because it is a school zone, correct? They have a lot of time to look around.

There are normal fights and squabbles, pushing and whacking over the head. My guess is that Somer was not the only child ever to have gone near or even into the Gano house...I'll bet more than one kid has passed through that fence for a peek into the windows, or waved to construction workers, or picked up a block of wood or something interesting to play with. Here is Somer weaving in and out of the crowd of kids per her usual routine of running ahead and her regular behaviors. So, nobody noticed. There was no sound of "Help! or "Don't! or "Leave me alone!" Nobody saw anyone yank her by the hand, nobody saw a car following a little girl anywhere.

From what I know of school routines, it is the same parents of the same children in the same grades who are present when their kids get out of school, whether they are walking them home or picking them up in a car. Walker parents all stand around and talk to one another, all of the parents/kids (especially in such a small "safe" community) pretty much know one another to some extent. So the parents of the kids in Somer's grade would by virtue of habit being around know Somer and have seen Somer leaving with her brother or sister or running ahead, etc., every day.

My point is, these parents would have noticed something unusual, say, if a parent walking her child home saw a car with someone unusual picking Somer up. A parent of a friend of Somer's would have made a mental note somewhere if Somer walked off with a stranger, wouldn't they? Somewhere somebody saw something. Or maybe who Somer walked off with was someone they knew, so they did not think it unusual.

My opinion only. Excuse me if I do run on.....thinking "out loud....thanks

human
01-06-2010, 05:54 PM
Do you think she was in that construction dumpster? I feel absolutley that there is no way that she was in the construction dumpster at Gano.

1. LE would have taken the whole thing into a lab
2. It had not been emptied.

That WAS NOT the dumpster.

human
01-06-2010, 06:09 PM
As far as people in the neighborhood watching the Thompson's kids.................. I am only thinking of myself here, and I am a conscientious person.

I doubt , except for noticing that Somer ran wild, that anyone was paying any particular attention to what Somer was up to. Neighbors have their own lives and own issues.

Maybe someone at first might have been concerned and keeping track. But then they see that DT works and she has -------

( I am only giving some ideas of what people in the neighborhood might get resentful over because they had to provide FREE babysitting. NO ONE is that saintly, I don't think to not get resentful).

Anyway- parties, cars, she lives in her parents house, her kids have fancy clothes- I don't know. These are just some ideas of things that might make other people mad and not pay attention to the T kids.

But someone who really "cares" about children would be in the catbird seat to take advantage of a situation like this. They would know exactly what the kids are up to and where they are.

So, it could be a neighbor, neighbor friend or acqaintance, friend or acquanitance of the family, or DT or PC or SP or Kyle or RSO, or GCV. So many choices!

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 06:38 PM
Motivation in child abductions:

Forgive me if I posted this before, it is interesting.
MOTIVATING FACTORS

Why are children abducted? Interpretation of offender motivations and behaviors often is complicated, [5] particularly in abduction cases where children simply seem to vanish. In such cases, the ensuing en·sue
intr.v. en·sued, en·su·ing, en·sues
1. To follow as a consequence or result. See Synonyms at follow.

2. To take place subsequently. investigation involves searching for both the victim and an offender who may be a parent, relative, friend, acquaintance, or total stranger. This differs from other scenarios, such as parental abductions, where the identity of the offender and sometimes the location of the abducted child are known, and the offender's motivation is more obvious. [6] Even in the most clear-cut cases, however, law enforcement may have difficulty determining exactly why the offender abducted the victim. The apprehension of the offender and a reliable confession may not even provide law enforcement with the true underlying motive. However, an accurate understanding of the behaviors and intentions of offenders who abduct abduct /ab·duct/ (ab-dukt´) to draw away from the median plane, or (the digits) from the axial line of a limb.abdu´cent
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ab·duct
v. children and how these crime characteristics change as potential victims get older can provide investigators wit h important insights early in a developing case and allow them to use their resources more effectively.

Research and investigative experience have shown that family abductions, motivated by domestic discord Discord
See also Confusion.

Andras

demon of discord. [Occultism: Jobes, 93]

discord, apple of

caused conflict among goddesses; Trojan War ultimate result. [Gk. Myth. and custody disputes, overwhelmingly represent the most frequent type of child abduction. Short-term, nonfamily incidents where abductors release or return children, often before anyone knows they are missing, constitute another type of child abduction. Short-term cases often involve sexual molestation molestation n. the crime of sexual acts with children up to the age of 18, including touching of private parts, exposure of genitalia, taking of pornographic pictures, rape, inducement of sexual acts with the molester or with other children, and variations of these . Long-term, nonfamily abductions are the least common and those that result in child homicide happen rarely. These cases frequently come to the attention of police as missing child reports and rarely result in quick resolution. Motivations for long-term, nonfamily abductions include: sexual gratification; retribution (e.g., revenge or "collecting" on an unpaid debt); financial gain (e.g., ransom or extortion extortion, in law, unlawful demanding or receiving by an officer, in his official capacity, of any property or money not legally due to him. Examples include requesting and accepting fees in excess of those allowed to him by statute or arresting a person and, with ); desire to kill (this, alone, is reported to motivate and gratify grat·i·fy
tr.v. grat·i·fied, grat·i·fy·ing, grat·i·fies
1. To please or satisfy: His achievement gratified his father. See Synonyms at please.

2. some offenders); and, maternal desire (where an offender desires to possess a child and abducts primarily newborns and infants). [7] Sexua lly motivated abductions represent the most common type of nonfamily abduction and classically pose the highest risk of victim mortality. [8] Long-term, nonfamily child abduction cases shock the public conscience and, because of their potentially lethal nature, law enforcement must conduct expeditious ex·pe·di·tious
adj.
Acting or done with speed and efficiency. See Synonyms at fast1.


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ex , informed, and well-managed investigations.

FALSE REPORTS

Investigators also encounter cases involving false allegations of abduction. Typically, a parent or primary caregiver perpetrates these cases. They report a child as missing or abducted to hide their involvement in the child's death or conceal their knowledge of the child's location. Such was the case of Susan Smith for the Playboy playmate see Susan Smith

Susan Smith (born September 24, 1971 as Susan Leigh Vaughan), of Union, South Carolina, was convicted July 22, 1995, of murdering her two sons, 3-year-old Michael Daniel Smith, born October 10, 1991, and 14-month-old Alexander Tyler , who fastened her two sons into their car seats and watched the car coast into a lake. Subsequently, Smith told police that an armed carjacker had taken both her car and her children. A timely and thorough investigation conducted by experienced law enforcement personnel ultimately proved the fallacy fallacy, in logic, a term used to characterize an invalid argument. Strictly speaking, it refers only to the transition from a set of premises to a conclusion, and is distinguished from falsity, a value attributed to a single statement. of this allegation. In another case, a mother reported her teenage daughter missing and claimed to have received a telephone ransom demand. An intensive 3-day investigation located the daughter at a friend's house where she had been staying with her mother's knowledge and approval. An overwhelming need for attention appeared to motivate the mother's false report.

INACCURATE REPORTS

Most long-term abductions are reported to the police, not as abductions, but as missing children. The majority of the 450,000 children reported to police as missing each year are lost or have run away. [9] Most of these children are found quickly and law enforcement resolves their cases with minimal investigative effort. Consequently, determining whether someone has legitimately abducted a child, particularly if the missing child is a teenager, often is not obvious or easy. In short, because most missing children are not abducted and most abducted children are not missing, investigative complacency becomes a statistically understandable response. The investigation of a missing child who possibly was abducted, however, constitutes the most serious and perplexing per·plex
tr.v. per·plexed, per·plex·ing, per·plex·es
1. To confuse or trouble with uncertainty or doubt. See Synonyms at puzzle.

2. To make confusedly intricate; complicate. challenge facing law enforcement agencies A law enforcement agency (LEA) is a term used to describe any agency which enforces the law. This may be a local or state police, federal agencies such as the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) or the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). . It can rapidly overwhelm and exhaust all available resources (e.g. financial, personnel, logistical) and impose heavy personal and professional burden on investigators, support personnel, and management. Becau se nonfamily abductions are comparatively rare, law enforcement agencies often find themselves unprepared for such demanding and emotionally taxing investigations. [10]

NSC
01-06-2010, 06:46 PM
Initial contact site
The initial contact site is where the killer makes contact with the victim. This site can be quite close to the last known location and enhances the reasons for a thorough canvass and search. This is the one location where the suspect has to expose himself to the potential of being seen by others. It may be momentary but it is the one location the suspect has no control over. As the victim is often one of opportunity for the suspect, he has no control over where he will make contact with the victim. This location provides the potential for those unknowing witnesses, who may have a description of the suspect and/or his vehicle. This site is usually within ¼ mile or three city blocks of the victim's last known location and a third of the time within a quarter mile of the suspect's residence. Hence the importance of determining the victim's last known location and then canvassing and searching out in a minimum of ½ mile radius for the location the suspect and victim came into contact with each other.

Hence, Kyle admitting to seeing Somer ---

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 07:00 PM
I would be interested in any comments about how you feel Somer fits into this description of an at-risk child. :

Children living without their biological fathers
Are more likely to live in poverty and deprivation

Children living in lone-parent households are twice as likely to be in the bottom 40% of household income distribution compared with children living in two-parent households (75% versus 40%).39
Even after controlling for low incomes, children growing up with never-married lone mothers are especially disadvantaged according to standard scales of deprivation.40
After controlling for other demographic factors, children in lone-parent households are still 2.8 times as likely to forego family outings.41
Are more likely to have emotional or mental problems

After controlling for other demographic factors, children in lone-parent households are 2.5 times as likely to be sometimes or often unhappy. They are 3.3 times as likely to score poorly on measures of self-esteem.42
Among children aged five to fifteen years in Great Britain, those from lone-parent families were twice as likely to have a mental health problem as those from intact two-parent families (16% versus 8%).43
A major longitudinal study of 1,400 American families found that 20%–25% of children of divorce showed lasting signs of depression, impulsivity (risk-taking), irresponsibility, or antisocial behaviour compared with 10% of children in intact two-parent families.44
Have more trouble in school

Children from lone-parent families are more likely to score poorly on tests of reading, mathematics, and thinking skills.45
After controlling for other demographic factors, children from lone-parent households were
3.3 times more likely to report problems with their academic work, and
50% more likely to report difficulties with teachers.46
Tend to have more trouble getting along with others

After controlling for other demographic factors, children from lone-parent households are three times as likely to report problems with friendships.47
Children from lone-parent households are more likely to have behaviour problems or engage in antisocial behaviour.48
Boys from lone-parent households are more likely to show hostility to adults and other children, and be destructive of belongings.49
Have higher risk of health problems

It has been estimated that parental divorce increases children’s risk of developing health problems by 50%.50
In England and Wales during 2000, the sudden infant death rate for babies jointly registered by unmarried parents living at different addresses was over three times greater than for babies born to a married mother and father (0.66 per 1,000 live births as compared with 0.18). Where the birth was registered in the sole name of the mother, the rate of sudden infant death was seven times greater than for those born within marriage (1.27 per 1,000 live births as compared with 0.18).51
After controlling for other demographic factors, children living in lone-parent households were 1.8 times as likely to have psychosomatic health symptoms and illness such as pains, headaches, stomach aches, and feeling sick.52
Are at greater risk of suffering physical, emotional, or sexual abuse.

According to data from the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC), young people are five times more likely to have experienced physical abuse and emotional maltreatment if they grew up in a lone-parent family, compared with children in two-birth-parent families.53
All studies of child-abuse victims which look at family type identify the step-family as representing the highest risk to children54 – with the risk of fatal abuse being 100 times higher than in twobiological- parent families according to international from 1976.55 However, the use of the term step-father has become problematic, as, whilst it used to refer to men who were married to women with children by other men, it is now used to describe any man in the household, whether married to the mother or not. An NSPCC study of 1988 which separated married step-fathers from unmarried cohabiting men found that married step-fathers were less likely to abuse: ‘for nonnatal fathers marriage appears to be associated with a greater commitment to the father role’.56
Analysis of 35 cases of fatal abuse which were the subject of public inquiries between 1968 and 1987 showed a risk for children living with their mother and an unrelated man which was over 70 times higher than it would have been for a child with two married biological parents.57
Are more likely to run away from home

Children from lone-parent families are twice as likely to run away from home as those from two-birth-parent families (14% compared to 7%).58

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 07:22 PM
As far as people in the neighborhood watching the Thompson's kids.................. I am only thinking of myself here, and I am a conscientious person.

I doubt , except for noticing that Somer ran wild, that anyone was paying any particular attention to what Somer was up to. Neighbors have their own lives and own issues.

Maybe someone at first might have been concerned and keeping track. But then they see that DT works and she has -------

( I am only giving some ideas of what people in the neighborhood might get resentful over because they had to provide FREE babysitting. NO ONE is that saintly, I don't think to not get resentful).

Anyway- parties, cars, she lives in her parents house, her kids have fancy clothes- I don't know. These are just some ideas of things that might make other people mad and not pay attention to the T kids.

But someone who really "cares" about children would be in the catbird seat to take advantage of a situation like this. They would know exactly what the kids are up to and where they are.

So, it could be a neighbor, neighbor friend or acqaintance, friend or acquanitance of the family, or DT or PC or SP or Kyle or RSO, or GCV. So many choices!

Agree...I'm more thinking of adults in proximity of her when school let out. If they knew she ran off, or was usually nearby her brother and sister, and someone else appeared on scene, it might have momentarily struck them as unusual but they might not have really "noticed" it. There may have been parents there who were thinking, "there she goes again, I wonder why nobody is watching her," etc., but again the mob of kids was probably so large and they were so used to seeing her doing her thing it was just another day to them. And then there is always that pause..."it's not my business, I have my own problems to take care of..." That would be the person LE was talking about, IMO who they meant "somebody out there knows something and needs to come forward," as well as people who have strong suspicions are are unwilling for whatever reason to take a risk of say, being identified as a witness or being hauled into court to testify.

NSC
01-06-2010, 07:29 PM
Regarding Gano House:

it could be the REAL last seen location. Remember, the press reported this as a crime scene for AWHILE until it changed later -maybe this is just one of the crime scenes- more than one network reported this, remember the chaos. According to this article, they would have to cover this regardless if the murder took place here or not. My guess this really is last place Somer was accounted for after LE finished interviweing withnesses etc... -and has potential to be the murder scene as well-- this a clue from LE as far as I am concerned. After reading this report - They would not spend all this time here if Somer was accounted for somewhere else at a later time without getting further confirmation that she was seen at this house at a later time - guessing. UNLESS, they are able to confirm that V guy was there that day and it is all on a technicality due to RSO status- but even so - do you think they had crime scene people out at all the RSO homes, taking fibers etc etc.. Prob not, they did searches - It makes me wonder if she did have intial contact with her killer at the gano house or if she was killed inside I am thinking she was dumped closeby in a desolate area into a contractor garbage bag--this could have thrown off the dogs initially -- if her scent was picked up on at Gano and taken by car -- they lost the scent -- only to possible regain it later at the dump site where they either found her body, some sort of evidence or an empty dumpster---
IMPORTANT SITES
Child abduction murders are different in general from most murder investigations in that there are a number of important sites and crime scenes associated with them. In the majority of murder cases all events occur in one location, the victim and suspect come into contact with each other, there is an assault causing death and the victim's body is left where it falls. This is not true in child abduction cases. A number of different sites have to be located for those unknowing witnesses and evidence linking the suspect to the victim. Each site is a potential crime scene and needs to be treated as such. The area needs to be sealed off and protected until it can be processed as a crime scene for evidence.

Last seen or known location
The last seen or known location site is where the victim was last known to be or seen. It is typically not their residence however most were last seen within a ¼ mile of their front door. Keep in mind the younger the victim the closer to home this location will be.

Initial contact site
The initial contact site is where the killer makes contact with the victim. This site can be quite close to the last known location and enhances the reasons for a thorough canvass and search. This is the one location where the suspect has to expose himself to the potential of being seen by others. It may be momentary but it is the one location the suspect has no control over. As the victim is often one of opportunity for the suspect, he has no control over where he will make contact with the victim. This location provides the potential for those unknowing witnesses, who may have a description of the suspect and/or his vehicle. This site is usually within ¼ mile or three city blocks of the victim's last known location and a third of the time within a quarter mile of the suspect's residence. Hence the importance of determining the victim's last known location and then canvassing and searching out in a minimum of ½ mile radius for the location the suspect and victim came into contact with each other.

Murder site
The location where the suspect kills the victim, often under their control, however not always as circumstances may dictate. Due to their size children are least able to withstand physical assault and control by adults. The importance in finding this site is that it is second only to the body recovery site in yielding physical evidence, which links the suspect to the victim. As the majority of child victims are killed within 200 feet of the body recovery site it is important to initially tape off an area at least 200 feet out from the victim's body. You can always make a crime scene smaller, however it is almost impossible to enlarge one.

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 07:49 PM
This gives a window of insight into how the initial investigation of Somer's body took place at that landfill:

Examining the body
A CSI might collect evidence from the body at the crime scene or he might wait until the body arrives at the morgue. In either case, the CSI does at least a visual examination of the body and surrounding area at the scene, taking pictures and detailed notes.

Before moving the body, the CSI makes note of details including:

Are there any stains or marks on the clothing?
Is the clothing bunched up in particular direction? If so, this could indicate dragging.
Are there any bruises, cuts or marks on body? Any defense wounds? Any injuries indicating, consistent with or inconsistent with the preliminary cause of death?
Is there anything obviously missing? Is there a tan mark where a watch or ring should be?
If blood is present in large amounts, does the direction of flow follow the laws of gravity? If not, the body may have been moved.
If no blood is present in the area surrounding the body, is this consistent with the preliminary cause of death? If not, the body may have been moved.
Are there any bodily fluids present beside blood?
Is there any insect activity on the body? If so, the CSI may call in a forensic entomologist to analyze the activity for clues as to how long the person has been dead.
After moving the body, he performs the same examination of the other side of the victim. At this point, he may also take the body temperature and the ambient room temperature to assist in determining an estimated time of death (although most forensic scientists say that time of death determinations are extremely unreliable -- the human body is unpredictable and there are too many variables involved). He will also take fingerprints of the deceased either at the scene or at the ME's office.
Once the CSI is done documenting the conditions of body and the immediately surrounding area, technicians wrap the body in a white cloth and put paper bags over the hands and feet for transportation to the morgue for an autopsy. These precautions are for the purpose of preserving any trace evidence on the victim. A CSI will usually attend the autopsy and take additional *pictures or video footage and collect additional evidence, especially tissue samples from major organs, for analysis at the crime lab.

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 07:57 PM
A child's perspective on running away:

http://kidshealth.org/kid/grow/tough_topics/running_away.html

ChickenPants
01-06-2010, 08:17 PM
Regarding Gano House:

it could be the REAL last seen location. Remember, the press reported this as a crime scene for AWHILE until it changed later -maybe this is just one of the crime scenes- more than one network reported this, remember the chaos. According to this article, they would have to cover this regardless if the murder took place here or not. My guess this really is last place Somer was accounted for after LE finished interviweing withnesses etc... -and has potential to be the murder scene as well-- this a clue from LE as far as I am concerned. After reading this report - They would not spend all this time here if Somer was accounted for somewhere else at a later time without getting further confirmation that she was seen at this house at a later time - guessing. UNLESS, they are able to confirm that V guy was there that day and it is all on a technicality due to RSO status- but even so - do you think they had crime scene people out at all the RSO homes, taking fibers etc etc.. Prob not, they did searches - It makes me wonder if she did have intial contact with her killer at the gano house or if she was killed inside I am thinking she was dumped closeby in a desolate area into a contractor garbage bag--this could have thrown off the dogs initially -- if her scent was picked up on at Gano and taken by car -- they lost the scent -- only to possible regain it later at the dump site where they either found her body, some sort of evidence or an empty dumpster---

The problem for me with the theory of murder/leave or move body/re-locate body is and always has been the short time period in which the murder occurred (daylight); LE being called to the scene by twilight, and the place crawling with LE and volunteers searching. This would make it difficult if not impossible for a perp to go get her body and dispose of it at whatever site. Each activity increases his likelihood of being caught. Unless he had left her in his car, perhaps covered with a blanket, and then he could have driven to Georgia by himself. Does anyone agree with this?

human
01-06-2010, 08:54 PM
The problem for me with the theory of murder/leave or move body/re-locate body is and always has been the short time period in which the murder occurred (daylight); LE being called to the scene by twilight, and the place crawling with LE and volunteers searching. This would make it difficult if not impossible for a perp to go get her body and dispose of it at whatever site. Each activity increases his likelihood of being caught. Unless he had left her in his car, perhaps covered with a blanket, and then he could have driven to Georgia by himself. Does anyone agree with this?

"No." I don't believe that the perp drove her to Georgia. I don't think that there is any way into the landfill.

I think that the landfill is very locked up and secure. And then he would have to drop tons of garbage on her.

Can't see it.

But I agree that the disposal is a problem. But if it was garbage day, and she was in a construction bag, other posters have pointed out that no one would notice someone putting garbage into a dumpster. It's a normal activity for garbage day being the next day.

sadnpod
01-06-2010, 10:50 PM
Hi there everyone

New1
01-06-2010, 10:57 PM
Hello Sad,

Are we the only two?

Noway
01-07-2010, 12:25 AM
My prayers go out to all those who love Somer.

houndstooth
01-07-2010, 12:43 AM
My prayers go out to all those who love Somer.

I saw others here who are devoted to finding Justice.
Rhyme and Reason and Nandee. Would you do the honors?
Thank you.

Emma Peel
01-07-2010, 02:21 AM
I'm here for Somer every day too. Me and my candle we watch for her justice to be served. Appreciate all those who post for her every day. Never give up!

http://www.clayfire.com/Portals/10/animated_candle.gif

Chili Fries
01-07-2010, 02:25 AM
The problem for me with the theory of murder/leave or move body/re-locate body is and always has been the short time period in which the murder occurred (daylight); LE being called to the scene by twilight, and the place crawling with LE and volunteers searching. This would make it difficult if not impossible for a perp to go get her body and dispose of it at whatever site. Each activity increases his likelihood of being caught.
That's why I think there are two likely scenarios:

- The perp lured her into his car and took her somewhere private where he committed the molestation and murder.

- The perp snatched her or attacked her near his house, maybe in his backyard or right next to his condo. This would obviously include the possibility of a juvenile perp.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 04:14 AM
That's why I think there are two likely scenarios:

- The perp lured her into his car and took her somewhere private where he committed the molestation and murder.

- The perp snatched her or attacked her near his house, maybe in his backyard or right next to his condo. This would obviously include the possibility of a juvenile perp.

Following your lead...

Where in her wanderings do you think the perp could have lured her into a car...if he commited molest/murder somewhere private, where in proximity to dumpsters do you think this would be? Or do you think he put her back into his car and drove to another dumpster? To me, the luring, attacking in another area, murder and dumping all say: It's broad daylight and the clock is ticking and pretty soon people will be all over the place.

#2 Now I am thinking of my earlier post - We know Somer ran ahead and ran off before. Out of many instances, there must have been some routine to it. So where would the perp have snatched and attacked her - near his house (condo)? If he is RSO he's been "ruled out". So is this a person who lives on a route in the after-school walks who people do not suspect is a SO (is unregistered) and again, what would be the common-sense speculation on a timeline, murder, relocation of body to dumpster? This perp would have to be familiar with her running off, been able to lure her into a private area, snatched her (without drawing attention or making noise) and the rest.
Could it be someone in a family (neighbor) she routinely visited? And if so, were the rest of the family gone? Would we assume LE has taken a close look at any unmarried, 20-something and possibly unemployed males who live in the area? Because statistics (FBI) say that this is the median age for child molesters.

What is so sad to me - and it happens all of the time - is that when child molesters or killers are arrested, the neighbors always say they would have never suspected or believed it! This person was always a polite, friendly and quiet sort of guy! But I guess the opposite would be profiling of these single unemployed males and then the ACLU would cry foul.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 04:22 AM
It seems true to me that the likelihood of Somer being lured or going willingly into a car is greater because a car would block out any noise or struggle....

However, I still think a crime could have been perpetrated quickly, behind a house, with no sexual assault, by a quick blow to the head or smothering. Sorry to be graphic. If she was grabbed while walking - a large, strong male grabbed her from behind and clamped his hand over her mouth, she would not be able to scratch, kick or hit him back - the only thing she could do is bite his hand and possibly not even that. Whether walking or being taken out of a car, the perp has to take more time for a sexual assault, and it seems likely he would not be able to do this outside or even in Gano house without huge risk of detection. This is why IMO it was a crime of anger, retribution or other than sexually motivated.

The only other issue is how to get rid of the body - place her in a dumpster - in broad daylight or twilight, and that's the problem for anyone who could have done this. I just don't think it is possible that a perp could have dumped her later once LE was on the scene.

It seems to be a lot about the time of day and the timeline - how much activity and moving around could have happened?

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 04:44 AM
Starting back at square one: Everyone is a suspect.

Somer routinely ran off.
We don't know if she routinely got into fights or squabbles with other children.
We don't know why she routinely ran off. Mom mentioned she was "picked on a lot" and "didn't want to go to school that day."

There exists a list of neighbors homes who she routinely went to. There aren't any other documents existing that I know of about where else she might have been headed.

In her routine, she had her favorite places to run. This included going to other neighbors houses, looking for other children to play with, playing with puppies, liking water, treehouses, etc., all according to various accounts and interview statements.

Who, besides AT, her two brothers, the persons interviewed, her mom, CPC, grandparents, SP some of her little friends, would know about Somer's routines and her special places? It would have to be someone familiar with her or someone who had been watching for a long time. It would have to be someone who knew any or all of the places she ran to.

Why should this day be different than any other day? It was not, until the murder. She did not make it to her special place and she did not go home (?)

To get to her favorite places, what routes take her there? Had the killer followed her there and watched her, or did he know about it from overhearing or being told?

What is the likelihood that Somer would go willingly with a total stranger into a car or walk with him to a secluded area? IN broad daylight, with no struggle, in a place where there would be people or a chance that people would show up?

Was the killer a stranger who grabbed her on her walk that day? Someone who had been watching her go to these various places (because a stranger would not be able to predict which place she would run to)?

Or was the killer someone who knew her - whom she followed willingly to a place secluded enough to be killed without noise or being seen?

The fact that she was abducted and disappeared during the day - is so strange. Because the killer (if she was killed during the day) was taking a huge chance of being caught - even in a place like a park.

If she was abducted, held in a house and killed later - the house would have had to be empty. There remains the problem of disposing of her without being seen. The killer had to be a person angry enough to kill her and confident enough to take a chance of putting her in a dumpster without being seen.

An autopsy would show the time of death, say, whether she died at approx. 4:00 p.m. or 11:00 p.m. They can determine that by something as simple as stomach contents. Even after being in a landfill, a thorough analysis of any clothing fibers could indicate if she had been dragged, her clothing torn in certain direction, etc.

Can anyone help me with these questions? TIA I know LE and forensics are working hard, but I want to know.

eyes4crime
01-07-2010, 07:12 AM
Remembering a few of the beautiful qualities of little Somer -
BBM
In an interview with the Associated Press outside an Orange Park restaurant, Samuel Thompson said he was devastated by his daughter's death.

"My little girl is in heaven now. She doesn't have to deal with this wicked world we live in," he said.

Thompson said he agrees that his daughter was a hugger.

"She could squeeze you and make you feel like there was no greater love in the world," he said.

The pastor said Somer loved to dance, play dress up, draw and color.

"She had a creative mind and was very imaginative," he said. "She loved people and she loved animals."

http://blog.al.com/live/2009/10/somer_thompson_funeral_mourner.html

Chili Fries
01-07-2010, 09:18 AM
Following your lead...

Where in her wanderings do you think the perp could have lured her into a car...if he commited molest/murder somewhere private, where in proximity to dumpsters do you think this would be? Or do you think he put her back into his car and drove to another dumpster? To me, the luring, attacking in another area, murder and dumping all say: It's broad daylight and the clock is ticking and pretty soon people will be all over the place.

#2 Now I am thinking of my earlier post - We know Somer ran ahead and ran off before. Out of many instances, there must have been some routine to it. So where would the perp have snatched and attacked her - near his house (condo)? If he is RSO he's been "ruled out". So is this a person who lives on a route in the after-school walks who people do not suspect is a SO (is unregistered) and again, what would be the common-sense speculation on a timeline, murder, relocation of body to dumpster? This perp would have to be familiar with her running off, been able to lure her into a private area, snatched her (without drawing attention or making noise) and the rest.
Could it be someone in a family (neighbor) she routinely visited? And if so, were the rest of the family gone? Would we assume LE has taken a close look at any unmarried, 20-something and possibly unemployed males who live in the area? Because statistics (FBI) say that this is the median age for child molesters.


I think if she were lured into a car the most likely candidate would be Grove Park Drive because GPD is the only though street. A through street may be more attractive to a cruising pedophile because it would allow him to leave the area quickly and not get trapped down a dead end. A through street is also a normal traffic route, he might have just been a pedophile driving along who noticed Somer in an isolated area and decided to attack without the premeditation of cruising a school area. It may have just been happenstance.

I've believed for a while that the area on GPD about 200 feet south of Gano is a possible spot. It only has houses on one side of the road so it does seem kind of secluded. Somer could have left the Gano house, cut through the corner yard and gone south on GPD without being noticed by the crossing guard or other children.

To add to your second point. It could have also been a crime of rage perpetrated by a juvenile. We don't know for sure if she was sexually molested. Or it could have just been somebody who saw her in his or his neighbor's backyard or walking behind his condo or something like that. It doesn't have to be someone she was familiar with, although that is obviously a possibility too. He could have brought her into his house, killed her, put her in his car and taken her to a dumpster.

The fact is that there seem to be no witnesses or physical evidence left by the perp. That can mean he was very crafty or just very lucky.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 10:03 AM
I think if she were lured into a car the most likely candidate would be Grove Park Drive because GPD is the only though street. A through street may be more attractive to a cruising pedophile because it would allow him to leave the area quickly and not get trapped down a dead end. A through street is also a normal traffic route, he might have just been a pedophile driving along who noticed Somer in an isolated area and decided to attack without the premeditation of cruising a school area. It may have just been happenstance.

I've believed for a while that the area on GPD about 200 feet south of Gano is a possible spot. It only has houses on one side of the road so it does seem kind of secluded. Somer could have left the Gano house, cut through the corner yard and gone south on GPD without being noticed by the crossing guard or other children.

To add to your second point. It could have also been a crime of rage perpetrated by a juvenile. We don't know for sure if she was sexually molested. Or it could have just been somebody who saw her in his or his neighbor's backyard or walking behind his condo or something like that. It doesn't have to be someone she was familiar with, although that is obviously a possibility too. He could have brought her into his house, killed her, put her in his car and taken her to a dumpster.

The fact is that there seem to be no witnesses or physical evidence left by the perp. That can mean he was very crafty or just very lucky.

Thanks A LOT. I am not familiar with the streets, etc., and don't do well with maps. All of your theories make sense to me. I wonder why, though, about someone seeing her walking in the backyard, etc. Pedophile, wouldn't need a motive, would be a SO, not registered, don't you think? Crime of rage, juvenile...have to think of a motive. What juvenile would be so enraged and why? This has been discussed with theory of incest or Somer threatening to tell "something".

I have given a lot of thought to Dr. F's theory of 27 year old unemployed single male living alone also. Stats back that up. I keep getting stuck on her history and the family dynamics, the unanswered discrepancies in testimony, the one-time only babysitter who never babysat before...confusing. I am more of a big-picture person and IMO would not be a good detective because I don't do well with tiny details. So again, thanks.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 10:21 AM
It is coming up on three months since Somer was murdered. I will refer to perp as (he/him) as example only.

If the perp was a SO - pedophile unregistered (he) has a brain wired to commit this type of crime again. There is no known medication to stop him, and no cure for the disease. It is an addiction just the same as drugs. The need to do it again is stronger than any remorse over having done it...the community remains at danger. Since he's unregistered people don't know he is a SO. There should be danger reminders from LE to the community on a regular basis. The fundraisers could continue to help with these reminders?

If the perp is a criminal who has hurt others (and children) before, eventually he will hurt someone else, because he has an anger problem. One would hope LE is watching this person (undercover?) People with repeat criminal behavior don't usually hurt children, though, do they? I don't know. Somebody please help with this career criminal theory.

If it is a one-time murder comitted by someone with no previous criminal behavior, then this was directed at Somer only. Someone lost (his) temper and killed her. The person had to have a motive to kill her. That person has blended back into life and is dealing with that fact. Either that person has justified (his) actions and filed the incident away in order to get through life, or the person is haunted by remorse.

Hopefully LE is continuing to watch and re-interview everyone with a chance that the person will keep the actions in the conscious mind or finally give it up, wanting to confess it and get it over with.

MOO

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 10:28 AM
Remembering a few of the beautiful qualities of little Somer -
BBM
In an interview with the Associated Press outside an Orange Park restaurant, Samuel Thompson said he was devastated by his daughter's death.

"My little girl is in heaven now. She doesn't have to deal with this wicked world we live in," he said.

Thompson said he agrees that his daughter was a hugger.

"She could squeeze you and make you feel like there was no greater love in the world," he said.

The pastor said Somer loved to dance, play dress up, draw and color.

"She had a creative mind and was very imaginative," he said. "She loved people and she loved animals."

http://blog.al.com/live/2009/10/somer_thompson_funeral_mourner.html

A loving, innocent little thing - seven years old - seen twirling down the street after school, wanted to make everybody feel good (better). People have asked here why she would say "good job!" to a construction worker, but to me it seems just the kind of thing she would say or do. Spontaneous and totally trusting. The kind of little girl who didn't like "ugly" and would run off to find something pretty to do or think about. Wanted to be a ballerina, a heart that loved and wanted to be loved.

IMO somebody cruel and ruthless took her out of this often-ugly world. The only consolation is she can have all of the beauty her little soul wants, now.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 10:55 AM
If you are a bully and a fight-starter, you will hang around other tough kids, and you will never, ever run away.

If you are being picked on, you may fight back, and you probably will run off, eventually.

If you have been picked on or in a fight, and you run off, what is the likelihood you will run right over to the first friendly person who seems kind or is "on your side"?

If you've been in a few fights, and have run off several times, and have caused people a lot of anxiety trying to find you, could you get into trouble for this?

Where did Somer run, and who did she go to? And for what reason?

NSC
01-07-2010, 11:13 AM
Morning Yall -- sorry havent been posting -- we been DIGGING hard and some things are starting to come together. I do not think DT did to somer directly.

However, I think we need to look REAL hard at drug connections. Also at KC house as well -- some connections out there with the people we have all sleuthed.

Have you seen all the meth labs that have been busted???

linagal
01-07-2010, 11:18 AM
This is my first time posting here, but I have been following this closely since day 1. I found out about Somer's abduction through friends online that went to high school with me and with Sammy. I don't live in the same area as him anymore, but knew him pretty well in high school. He was just a good guy. I have heard him described as a gentle giant--a big football player who was just nice to everyone and seemed really kind. I think most of the coverage of him would confirm that he is still that kind of person.

This horrible thing didn't happen to me or my family, and I can't imagine the pain that DT and ST are going through, as well as Somer's brothers and sister. This case has really opened my eyes in a lot of ways. You hear about abductions and other evil acts in the news, and you feel bad but go on with your life. This time, one of the people involved is more than just a face and a name, and it really woke me up. You never think of this type of thing happening to yourself or someone you know, and then it does. It is frightening that this type of evil exists.

I know this is a rambling post, and I apologize for that. I just want to say to Sadnpod and any other posters or lurkers here that are personally affected by this that for every person you see on here there are many more out there who want justice for Somer and peace for you. I say a prayer for the LE officials investigating this crime, and hope that the person responsible is discovered soon so the family can start on the path to closure and healing.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 11:42 AM
In researching interview and investigation techniques, I came across this information from a good site. This raises questions again in my mind about SP, the MPR statements, and etc. It is crucial who reported what to whom, and why. MOO take it or leave it.

When a subject's response includes communication with others, whether it be telephonic, personal, an electronic message, or written communication, a door has been opened for further insight to the subject's possible guilt, or innocence in the crime. Too often, however, an investigator will simply note that the communication took place and perhaps the time of the communication but not pursue its contents. At a minimum, the subject should be asked who the communication was with, and what was said. In a recent consultation involving a possibly fabricated crime, the husband, who discovered the crime, called his wife before reporting it to the police. Unfortunately, the investigator did not pursue this conversation. Obvious interview questions would have been, "What did you tell your wife?"; "What was her reaction?" "How long did the conversation last" and, "Why did you call your wife before the police?".
As a final example of the importance of pursuing conversations, consider the common situation in which an individual, who becomes a suspect, is close to the crime ( a victim, the person who reported the crime, an individual who was initially questioned at the scene). When that person returns home he has a choice of either sharing his experience with family members and friends or keeping it a secret. When this subject is subsequently interviewed, the investigator should ask, "Who did you tell about (incident)?" Considering that it is human nature to share emotional events with loved ones, it is very suspicious if the subject states that he told no one about the incident. It is rare for us to interview an innocent person who has not shared the crime experience with a loved one. Keeping the crime a secret is much more often observed from the guilty subject, usually accompanied by some excuse, "I didn't want to upset my wife", "My parents are real busy and I didn't want to bother them with this", "I figured this is my problem and I should handle it on my own."

cathdawg
01-07-2010, 12:05 PM
NSC, I have been over yonder. It makes you wonder re drugs and its possible involvement directly or indirectly.

New1
01-07-2010, 12:19 PM
Morning Yall -- sorry havent been posting -- we been DIGGING hard and some things are starting to come together. I do not think DT did to somer directly.

However, I think we need to look REAL hard at drug connections. Also at KC house as well -- some connections out there with the people we have all sleuthed.

Have you seen all the meth labs that have been busted???

BBM

Right now, I am drawing a blank on KC; who IS that?

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 12:31 PM
Morning Yall -- sorry havent been posting -- we been DIGGING hard and some things are starting to come together. I do not think DT did to somer directly.
However, I think we need to look REAL hard at drug connections. Also at KC house as well -- some connections out there with the people we have all sleuthed.

Have you seen all the meth labs that have been busted???

Agree. DT does not seem to me to be a person who would hurt any child. Who are we looking at for drugs? Are you talking about crime of retribution? Or that Somer would tell? What drug connections are you referring to?

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 12:34 PM
Linegal, welcome to the forum. I hope you keep on here and post, too. You will find a lot of good people who don't say much but hit the "thanks" button, and every new insight and little piece of information is another star in Somer's crown, IMO.

cathdawg
01-07-2010, 12:50 PM
hmm I do not know who the home of KC is . It is said that DT was in Rehab, is this fact or rumor? TIA

New1
01-07-2010, 01:00 PM
I keep seeing these initials, KC, and never have been able to tell who that is. Must be a juvenile or someone not named in news reports. Can you at least give us a clue, NSC? If it is not a juvenile and is someone named in the media or on the MPR, I think you can post the name, but I am not sure. Check with mod.

New1
01-07-2010, 01:03 PM
hmm I do not know who the home of KC is . It is said that DT was in Rehab, is this fact or rumor? TIA
I have not heard anything about that, cath.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 01:23 PM
hmm I do not know who the home of KC is . It is said that DT was in Rehab, is this fact or rumor? TIA

That information has been bandied about back and forth throughout the whole Somer investigation. If I recall correctly, it was discussed in the context of child custody issues earlier on. I believe it was classified here as a rumor, due to a lack of documentation which, if posted, may or may not substantiate it for this forum.

cathdawg
01-07-2010, 01:25 PM
Thanks for this ...rumor only.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 01:28 PM
Morning Yall -- sorry havent been posting -- we been DIGGING hard and some things are starting to come together. I do not think DT did to somer directly.

However, I think we need to look REAL hard at drug connections. Also at KC house as well -- some connections out there with the people we have all sleuthed.

Have you seen all the meth labs that have been busted???

If there was drug involvement, then the good new is that detectives working drug scene may come across a link to the murder. Just one more link. All it takes is one good link.

human
01-07-2010, 01:42 PM
I keep seeing these initials, KC, and never have been able to tell who that is. Must be a juvenile or someone not named in news reports. Can you at least give us a clue, NSC? If it is not a juvenile and is someone named in the media or on the MPR, I think you can post the name, but I am not sure. Check with mod.

Look on a search site such as Pipl or USA Search or someting. don't remember which one. It will give you the names of neighbors. Ths particular initials are not of someone that can be named here on WS.

By the way, I searched as much as I could to find the source of the Gano house fire. I couldn't find anything in the paper.

In our hometown papers, fires are always listed as a news article. I wouldn't think OP is that big that a fire wouldn't be newsworthy, but apparently not or I don't know where to look.

I wondered if the Gano house was a meth lab?

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 01:45 PM
Fairly recent update, First Coast News:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=150290&catid=3

NSC
01-07-2010, 01:47 PM
Check the neighbor kid on gano, kc. His girlfriend has connections to sheriff. Then from there connection at at dad who ran for clay sheriff. With friends connected to babysitter whom believes to be living on miller. Friends and possible neighbor with kid who brother is in jail for cocaine. These friends are skatera there is dirt rd path from fromhart by skate park directly over to miller at by babysitter.

NSC
01-07-2010, 01:51 PM
Take a look at this article too - it is a cluster of a mess trying to wade through this but it might be a cousin of SP who also would have another cousin who is currently in jail for running Cocaine out of Pinellas county -- but this guy is now in Columbia, SC -- When you dig hard there are family names connected. And alias..

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-03-05/story/couple_charged_with_pot_grow

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 02:22 PM
I have been studying most of the subjects on this thread one by one. I am posting this because I think it is significant.

Feel free to respond, anyone.

http://www.reid.com/educational_info/r_tips.html?serial=3218521489254185&print=[print]

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 02:23 PM
I have been studying most of the subjects on this thread one by one. I am posting this because I think it is significant.

Feel free to respond, anyone.

http://www.reid.com/educational_info/r_tips.html?serial=3218521489254185&print=[print]


lol it would not allow me to post this :truce:

when I posted. Just FYI so people know I am a MOO

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 02:31 PM
Take a look at this article too - it is a cluster of a mess trying to wade through this but it might be a cousin of SP who also would have another cousin who is currently in jail for running Cocaine out of Pinellas county -- but this guy is now in Columbia, SC -- When you dig hard there are family names connected. And alias..

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-03-05/story/couple_charged_with_pot_grow

We can't be blamed for our relatives, but this is definitely hinky. I recognize HER name from somewhere on this board, as well. Anybody know anything about them?

NSC
01-07-2010, 02:35 PM
What is the deal with a yellow car? I found a yellow car possible connection to neighbor kid. Friend of brother.

cathdawg
01-07-2010, 02:45 PM
I also feel that I have seen the name someone's MS or FB?

cathdawg
01-07-2010, 02:45 PM
What is the deal with a yellow car? I found a yellow car possible connection to neighbor kid. Friend of brother.

Which Bro? TIA

cathdawg
01-07-2010, 02:47 PM
Just figured it out , the little girl who was murdered by pastors daughter this past summer. Same last name.

human
01-07-2010, 02:50 PM
I have been studying most of the subjects on this thread one by one. I am posting this because I think it is significant.

Feel free to respond, anyone.

http://www.reid.com/educational_info/r_tips.html?serial=3218521489254185&print=[print]

Makes you think, doesn' t it?!

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 02:53 PM
What is the deal with a yellow car? I found a yellow car possible connection to neighbor kid. Friend of brother.

Elsewhere, on this thread (#34), reference was made to a cab. Was it a yellow cab?

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 02:56 PM
I also feel that I have seen the name someone's MS or FB?

I seem to remember it being the name of a woman who was a FRIEND of someone on MySpace or FB: SP, CPC, DT? Don't recall...my mind is picturing FB, however.

liz b.
01-07-2010, 02:57 PM
Chicken Pants -- Yes, Somer was a beautiful,vibrant little girl, and certainly seemed to have a generous spirit ; she could, IMO have said " Good job ". However, that's not what I meant. I simply find the worker's account of that event ( Somer entering the yard ),and conversation to be unbvelievable. On that subject, does anyone know how many workers were there at that time of day ?
When I first read about this crime,I immediately thought that it was probably other kids. But, I thought that there would be clues showing up in the killer(s) behaviour as the days went by. Not a thing,as far as I can tell.
The unregistered SO theory I couldn't totally buy,for one reason : he,or she, just would not have had much alone time with Somer.
Someone killing her out of rage seems possible,but somewhat unlikely. What on earth could have produced such anger ?
One last theory, and I doubt anyone will agree : what if this was a terrible accident, a hit and run. She was running a lot on her way home that day. I can see her darting past a driveway, not seeing a car, and the driver not seeing her. It seems totally callous,though, for a driver to take her and throw her into a dumpster. Unless he or she was drunk or high.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 02:59 PM
Makes you think, doesn' t it?!

Yes, definitely....but the whole REID page is so interesting. There are lots of more investigative subjects that are very easy to read, if anyone is interested in a detective's perspective of interviews and investigations. Since we have so few leads, I try to get a handle on how Dets may be handling the people they are possibly looking at.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 03:05 PM
Chicken Pants -- Yes, Somer was a beautiful,vibrant little girl, and certainly seemed to have a generous spirit ; she could, IMO have said " Good job ". However, that's not what I meant. I simply find the worker's account of that event ( Somer entering the yard ),and conversation to be unbvelievable. On that subject, does anyone know how many workers were there at that time of day ?
When I first read about this crime,I immediately thought that it was probably other kids. But, I thought that there would be clues showing up in the killer(s) behaviour as the days went by. Not a thing,as far as I can tell.
The unregistered SO theory I couldn't totally buy,for one reason : he,or she, just would not have had much alone time with Somer.
Someone killing her out of rage seems possible,but somewhat unlikely. What on earth could have produced such anger ?
One last theory, and I doubt anyone will agree : what if this was a terrible accident, a hit and run. She was running a lot on her way home that day. I can see her darting past a driveway, not seeing a car, and the driver not seeing her. It seems totally callous,though, for a driver to take her and throw her into a dumpster. Unless he or she was drunk or high.

I see what you mean (first paragraph). I haven't heard about any other workers there that day. Somebody probably can give insight on that, though. A house in that stage of reconstruction, how many workers would be needed at that time of day...? I don't find her entering the yard/talking unbelievable, just based on her known behaviors of being friendly/talkative/hugging, etc. I don't find the idea of any child around the house unbelievable because children are inquisitive and looking for adventures.

An unregistered SO would be hiding his status from the neighborhood, right? All SO's are supposed to be registered. You are in agreement with me that it would be a time issue. Unless he had been stalking her for a long time, grabbed her and did it quickly. But don't sex offenders usually kind of - take their time? I don't know how else to put it without getting graphic.

As for the anger motive, we don't really know what went on in her life outside of her getting into tiffs and running off. We do know that some people were frustrated with her running off and causing general anxiety...the other possiblity could be that she was a witness to some behavior of someone that she had threated to tell about. People have offered that she was loveable and friendly, and others have offered that she could be a handful. Who knows?

Your idea of hit and run isn't out of the realm of possibility. But at this time of the day, one would think perhaps it would have been witnessed. Thanks so much for your reply. ChickP

Dr.Fessel
01-07-2010, 03:22 PM
Yes, definitely....but the whole REID page is so interesting. There are lots of more investigative subjects that are very easy to read, if anyone is interested in a detective's perspective of interviews and investigations. Since we have so few leads, I try to get a handle on how Dets may be handling the people they are possibly looking at.

Chickenpants I have been reading everything thing you post. They are great articles.

human
01-07-2010, 03:24 PM
Chicken Pants -- Yes, Somer was a beautiful,vibrant little girl, and certainly seemed to have a generous spirit ; she could, IMO have said " Good job ". However, that's not what I meant. I simply find the worker's account of that event ( Somer entering the yard ),and conversation to be unbvelievable. On that subject, does anyone know how many workers were there at that time of day ?
When I first read about this crime,I immediately thought that it was probably other kids. But, I thought that there would be clues showing up in the killer(s) behaviour as the days went by. Not a thing,as far as I can tell.
The unregistered SO theory I couldn't totally buy,for one reason : he,or she, just would not have had much alone time with Somer.
Someone killing her out of rage seems possible,but somewhat unlikely. What on earth could have produced such anger ?
One last theory, and I doubt anyone will agree : what if this was a terrible accident, a hit and run. She was running a lot on her way home that day. I can see her darting past a driveway, not seeing a car, and the driver not seeing her. It seems totally callous,though, for a driver to take her and throw her into a dumpster. Unless he or she was drunk or high.


I sincerely doubt she was hit by a car. Whenever there is a hit and run driver here where I live, LE IMMEDIATELY gives all info on color of car (because of paint evidence on the body or in the road) , look for dents, etc. The reason that it is hit and run is because the driver is drunk or high.They have the public loioking looking looking and the public almost always does report the car.

It is NEVER treated like a mysterious murder where I live, and I sincerely doubt it would be treated that way in OP.

They had FBI, etc etc etc. IT is not a car accident-no way, no how.

human
01-07-2010, 03:30 PM
If Somer went to someone's house, no one would notice anything happening to her. She's visiting her good friend, mr or ms or mrs molestor and something goes wrong.
Nobody would hear or see a thing.

I am still interested in the fact that LE KNEW that it was a murder even before an autopsy. It has to be something significant, or they could have guessed car accident or hiding in the dumpster, as well. But they KNEW murder right away.

In going with teens, maybe they drew symbols on her?

Or it could have been something around her neck or stabbing or ??

As far as SO's, there are different kinds. Some groom for months or years. Some grab strangers.

Dr.Fessel
01-07-2010, 03:40 PM
If Somer went to someone's house, no one would notice anything happening to her. She's visiting her good friend, mr or ms or mrs molestor and something goes wrong.
Nobody would hear or see a thing.

I am still interested in the fact that LE KNEW that it was a murder even before an autopsy. It has to be something significant, or they could have guessed car accident or hiding in the dumpster, as well. But they KNEW murder right away.

In going with teens, maybe they drew symbols on her?

Or it could have been something around her neck or stabbing or ??

As far as SO's, there are different kinds. Some groom for months or years. Some grab strangers.

Human I was thinking something tied around the neck, gunshot, slit throat. My strongest hunch is something tied around the neck because any of those other things would be hard to make sure it was not damage caused by the compactor, or maybe a bag tied over her head?

liz b.
01-07-2010, 04:13 PM
Hi Human,

Interesting points. I need to make it clear,though, that I don't think it was a tires screeching, unknown car flleeing, neighbors right there kind of accident. I mean a quiet side street, pulling out of the driveway, causing huge trauma, kind of accident.Possible that no one saw it happen. After all,no one seems to have seen much of anything,right ? Yes,you're right, LE does consider it a murder. But, we don't really know any more than that.
Good point about the SO angle . What I'm not sure about : if it was a SO who had been watching her, planning how he/she would grab her, do you think it's likely that the SO would have killed her so quickly ? But, the idea of a SO just coming across her that afternoon is possible.
Just a thought,but when my children were around Somer's age, they would always want a snack right away after school. I wonder if she did too. Human, I want to thank you and the other posters here for reading my posts. I wandered into this forum when I was sick with the flu. Something about the randomness of this case drew me in. I am in awe of the smarts you all have.

liz b.
01-07-2010, 04:27 PM
Hi Human,

Interesting points. I need to make it clear,though, that I don't think it was a tires screeching, unknown car flleeing, neighbors right there kind of accident. I mean a quiet side street, pulling out of the driveway, causing huge trauma, kind of accident.Possible that no one saw it happen. After all,no one seems to have seen much of anything,right ? Yes,you're right, LE does consider it a murder. But, we don't really know any more than that.
Good point about the SO angle . What I'm not sure about : if it was a SO who had been watching her, planning how he/she would grab her, do you think it's likely that the SO would have killed her so quickly ? But, the idea of a SO just coming across her that afternoon is possible.
Just a thought,but when my children were around Somer's age, they would always want a snack right away after school. I wonder if she did too. Human, I want to thank you and the other posters here for reading my posts. I wandered into this forum when I was sick with the flu. Something about the randomness of this case drew me in. I am in awe of the smarts you all have.

New1
01-07-2010, 04:53 PM
I see what you mean (first paragraph). I haven't heard about any other workers there that day. Somebody probably can give insight on that, though. A house in that stage of reconstruction, how many workers would be needed at that time of day...? I don't find her entering the yard/talking unbelievable, just based on her known behaviors of being friendly/talkative/hugging, etc. I don't find the idea of any child around the house unbelievable because children are inquisitive and looking for adventures.

An unregistered SO would be hiding his status from the neighborhood, right? All SO's are supposed to be registered. You are in agreement with me that it would be a time issue. Unless he had been stalking her for a long time, grabbed her and did it quickly. But don't sex offenders usually kind of - take their time? I don't know how else to put it without getting graphic.

As for the anger motive, we don't really know what went on in her life outside of her getting into tiffs and running off. We do know that some people were frustrated with her running off and causing general anxiety...the other possiblity could be that she was a witness to some behavior of someone that she had threated to tell about. People have offered that she was loveable and friendly, and others have offered that she could be a handful. Who knows?

Your idea of hit and run isn't out of the realm of possibility. But at this time of the day, one would think perhaps it would have been witnessed. Thanks so much for your reply. ChickP


BBM

One would think that SOMEONE witnessed whatever happened to her, too, or where she went after she left the Gano house. SOMEBODY did. We just don't know who it was. I am hoping that LE has had other witnesses come forward that we don't know about. IMO Cranberry is a pretty outstandish (is that a word?) color - easy to spot and keep an eye on for quite a distance, not likely to blend in and not be noticed, KWIM?

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 05:16 PM
Chickenpants I have been reading everything thing you post. They are great articles.

Thanks, Dr. Fessel. Prob the old guy on the bench would not agree with you...lol.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 05:29 PM
If Somer went to someone's house, no one would notice anything happening to her. She's visiting her good friend, mr or ms or mrs molestor and something goes wrong.
Nobody would hear or see a thing.

I am still interested in the fact that LE KNEW that it was a murder even before an autopsy. It has to be something significant, or they could have guessed car accident or hiding in the dumpster, as well. But they KNEW murder right away.

In going with teens, maybe they drew symbols on her?

Or it could have been something around her neck or stabbing or ?

As far as SO's, there are different kinds. Some groom for months or years. Some grab strangers.

If she went to someone's house, well then what neighbors did she regularly visit? Were adults there during those visits? Were there little kids her age she played with while adults were still at work - maybe an older sibling, Uncle, etc., babysitting? WHO IS ON THAT CALL-DOWN LIST that the 17 year old had?


Maybe they KNEW it was a murder even before it was still a "missing child" case - before she was found, because someone may have said something to tip them off. An example would be someone talking about the victim in the past tense before it was established the victim was dead. What about that neighbor asking them if they'd checked the garbage....lots of verbal clues being tossed around, IMO.

They could probably ascertain trauma to the body even without autopsy. Bruises on legs, ligature marks on neck or wrists if she was bound.

The colors of the bruises would indicate if they had been inflicted before or after she had been in a compactor, because they are caused by blood rising to the surface of the skin and then it would fade away.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 05:32 PM
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BBM

One would think that SOMEONE witnessed whatever happened to her, too, or where she went after she left the Gano house. SOMEBODY did. We just don't know who it was. I am hoping that LE has had other witnesses come forward that we don't know about. IMO Cranberry is a pretty outstandish (is that a word?) color - easy to spot and keep an eye on for quite a distance, not likely to blend in and not be noticed, KWIM?

The reason I'm convinced nobody noticed is that she went quietly and willingly to the perp and it raised no suspicions. By then she was far enough away from the school that the regular playmates, friends and parents would not have been the ones who were around. She would have been just another little girl taking the hand of another adult. Add to the fact that the photo plastered all over of the MISSING CHILD was of a missing 4 year old child who bore little resemblance to Somer. AND THIS PHOTO IS STILL THE ONE BEING ADDED ONTO NEWS REPORTS!!! It's totally unacceptable, IMO. It just reinforces that image to anyone who MIGHT have seen her and is thinking, no, that little girl does not look like the one in the picture!!!!!

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 05:37 PM
Human, when I spoke of the SO taking his time, I wasn't referring to his stalking her. I was talking about taking his time in the sexual act. Some SO's, for example, take photos of their victims, pose them, dress them up, etc., etc., sick things like that. The sick psychology of the SO. A lot of them think they 'LOVE' children and are "playing" and it isn't what we'd think of as a sexual act, per se. The sex is only one part of it, the finisher. Sorry if I am too graphic.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 05:39 PM
Gano house: The contractors who remodeled the house would surely have a list of all of the persons working on the house, their hours, their tasks, what days they worked. Because all of them would have to account for that to get paid. Maybe they were hired through an agency like Manpower who hires short-term workers for one-time jobs. I assume some of these people also do background checks. They keep records, too. Somebody is responsible.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 05:41 PM
I sincerely doubt she was hit by a car. Whenever there is a hit and run driver here where I live, LE IMMEDIATELY gives all info on color of car (because of paint evidence on the body or in the road) , look for dents, etc. The reason that it is hit and run is because the driver is drunk or high.They have the public loioking looking looking and the public almost always does report the car.

It is NEVER treated like a mysterious murder where I live, and I sincerely doubt it would be treated that way in OP.

They had FBI, etc etc etc. IT is not a car accident-no way, no how.


Yes, if it was a hit-and-run, someone would have had to have witnessed it to have reported it to LE. Then we would have a definite witness and a definite perp and case closed.

infinity14
01-07-2010, 05:44 PM
Just figured it out , the little girl who was murdered by pastors daughter this past summer. Same last name.

Does it end in a U?

Kimberlyd125
01-07-2010, 05:44 PM
Gano house: The contractors who remodeled the house would surely have a list of all of the persons working on the house, their hours, their tasks, what days they worked. Because all of them would have to account for that to get paid. Maybe they were hired through an agency like Manpower who hires short-term workers for one-time jobs. I assume some of these people also do background checks. They keep records, too. Somebody is responsible.

You'd be suprised of how many construstion workers are not on the books.
A lot are illegal aliens who work cheap and get paid under the table.

jokie7348
01-07-2010, 05:46 PM
What is the deal with a yellow car? I found a yellow car possible connection to neighbor kid. Friend of brother.

I am not sure if this is what you're looking for, but a member named (I think) Infinity posted about some dreams she was having. One part of her dream featured a light yellow convertable. There was ample discussion of it on previous threads. I'm a WS lightweight, so I don't know how to find those posts, but maybe you do.
It would be interesting if you have located a similar car in reality that Infinity dreamed (or visioned) about.

infinity14
01-07-2010, 05:47 PM
Check the neighbor kid on gano, kc. His girlfriend has connections to sheriff. Then from there connection at at dad who ran for clay sheriff. With friends connected to babysitter whom believes to be living on miller. Friends and possible neighbor with kid who brother is in jail for cocaine. These friends are skatera there is dirt rd path from fromhart by skate park directly over to miller at by babysitter.

I would REALLY like to hear more about this, especially the KC part!!!!!!!!

infinity14
01-07-2010, 05:50 PM
I am not sure if this is what you're looking for, but a member named (I think) Infinity posted about some dreams she was having. One part of her dream featured a light yellow convertable. There was ample discussion of it on previous threads. I'm a WS lightweight, so I don't know how to find those posts, but maybe you do.
It would be interesting if you have located a similar car in reality that Infinity dreamed (or visioned) about.

Yep, I'd like to hear about that too, especially if associated with KC!!!!!

infinity14
01-07-2010, 05:55 PM
What is the deal with a yellow car? I found a yellow car possible connection to neighbor kid. Friend of brother.

Convertible? Tan leather seats??

NSC
01-07-2010, 06:03 PM
Which Bro? TIA

KC -- has this kid BL he says his is brother -- I don't think it is in hey "bro" == might from a previous marriage - there are pics on the myspace --First name ryhmes with Chilly.

GO to his myspace - he has a youtube video -- It think it is his or his friends account - you will see the video of his yellow car.

Guys, this could be nothing -- I am trying to straighten this all out in my own head.

Though, we did get confirmation on link between sitter and KC

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 06:06 PM
You'd be suprised of how many construstion workers are not on the books.
A lot are illegal aliens who work cheap and get paid under the table.

THANKS! I had totally forgotten about that - and I live in Florida. lol

NSC
01-07-2010, 06:08 PM
It was not a convertable -- it is like one of those street racing cars - FL plates. You will see if you follow my clues ;)

I have to say there is a TON of DISTRUBING stuff of these different kids/friends of KC on you tube - even talking about how to get raped -

A few of us are thinking a teen as a group or alone -- taken from the skate park --

OR

I am going to have to go with the other association

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 06:49 PM
LOOKING AT THAT POT BUST...I went back to FB where there USED to be a page for SP, and it is gone!

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 06:58 PM
FYI, cannot access CPC's myspace via internet, DT facebook still there, same pic, remains private, unable to view friends. So I cannot tell you where I have seen that pot-bust woman's name before.

paris_paris
01-07-2010, 07:05 PM
Chick... SP's FB page is still there.

Searching the last name you are looking for turns up nothing in the Somer forums. You may have seen your names when you were digging up mortgage foreclosures.

Just so ya know.

pinamia
01-07-2010, 07:08 PM
Human I was thinking something tied around the neck, gunshot, slit throat. My strongest hunch is something tied around the neck because any of those other things would be hard to make sure it was not damage caused by the compactor, or maybe a bag tied over her head?

If it were a gun or knife, they would be looking for the murder weapon. This was most likely a strangulation by hand or her scarf. They never asked for the weapon or described it. Unless, the knife or gun were found with her.

I agree it has to be a strangulation. Perhaps her hyoid bone was broken.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 08:01 PM
Chick... SP's FB page is still there.

Searching the last name you are looking for turns up nothing in the Somer forums. You may have seen your names when you were digging up mortgage foreclosures.

Just so ya know.

Thanks. I am trying to find out if the pot bust woman is a friend of someone since we have seen her name somewhere around here.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 08:03 PM
If it were a gun or knife, they would be looking for the murder weapon. This was most likely a strangulation by hand or her scarf. They never asked for the weapon or described it. Unless, the knife or gun were found with her.

I agree it has to be a strangulation. Perhaps her hyoid bone was broken.


The previous discussion about how they could tell she was murdered before the autopsy...
If shot or stabbed, they would see entrance wounds and perhaps trace blood on her clothing. Even if half-clothed, blood could run down and coagulate on some of her clothing.

If strangulation, they could also have determined that pre-autopsy, correct? If it was by scarf, threads or fibers could have been imbedded in her neck, if by hand, there would be bruises where the fingers were, correct? And by the size of those bruises, they may even have been able to discern the approximate size of the hand of the perpetrator, e.g., by thumbprint bruise and be able to tell if she was strangled from the front or from behind. If it was from behind, I would be even more secure that she was grabbed from behind and quickly strangled before she knew what happened I hope she did not suffer too long.

human
01-07-2010, 08:34 PM
The previous discussion about how they could tell she was murdered before the autopsy...
If shot or stabbed, they would see entrance wounds and perhaps trace blood on her clothing. Even if half-clothed, blood could run down and coagulate on some of her clothing.

If strangulation, they could also have determined that pre-autopsy, correct? If it was by scarf, threads or fibers could have been imbedded in her neck, if by hand, there would be bruises where the fingers were, correct? And by the size of those bruises, they may even have been able to discern the approximate size of the hand of the perpetrator, e.g., by thumbprint bruise and be able to tell if she was strangled from the front or from behind. If it was from behind, I would be even more secure that she was grabbed from behind and quickly strangled before she knew what happened I hope she did not suffer too long.

I would agree with any of those statements had she not been found in the landfill and gone through trash compaction.

LE cannot possibly identify things such as bruises, etc. That would take a medical doctor doing all kinds of tests to see what could have happened to cause whatever LE saw. KWIM.

I think it had to be something far more telling such as what Dr. Fessel said, not something subtle or something that could happen during compaction.

And I am not thinking gunshot, unless she was killed with a silencer or somewhere out of the city limits where a gunshot may not be that noticeable. Someone would hear and remember a gunshot in OP.

And I'm thinking that she would not have been killed further away and then brought back to OP.

It had to be something totally obvious, I really feel.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 08:45 PM
This is how I would prefer to see Somer. I hope this is Somer now. No bad guys here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnLxQe6c-T8

May all of her dreams come true.

ChickenPants
01-07-2010, 08:48 PM
I would agree with any of those statements had she not been found in the landfill and gone through trash compaction.

LE cannot possibly identify things such as bruises, etc. That would take a medical doctor doing all kinds of tests to see what could have happened to cause whatever LE saw. KWIM.

I think it had to be something far more telling such as what Dr. Fessel said, not something subtle or something that could happen during compaction.

And I am not thinking gunshot, unless she was killed with a silencer or somewhere out of the city limits where a gunshot may not be that noticeable. Someone would hear and remember a gunshot in OP.

And I'm thinking that she would not have been killed further away and then brought back to OP.

It had to be something totally obvious, I really feel.

Unless the t.v. shows are inaccurate, they find detectives coming upon body, looking at it closely and saying "look at those ligature marks, strangled," or
"no blood, looks like perp moved him". I'm not just talking detectives, either but forensic investigators at the scene. I agree about gunshot. You can see bruises on a neck, they stand out like a sore thumb, especially if they are fresh. MOO

pinamia
01-07-2010, 09:33 PM
The previous discussion about how they could tell she was murdered before the autopsy...
If shot or stabbed, they would see entrance wounds and perhaps trace blood on her clothing. Even if half-clothed, blood could run down and coagulate on some of her clothing.

If strangulation, they could also have determined that pre-autopsy, correct? If it was by scarf, threads or fibers could have been imbedded in her neck, if by hand, there would be bruises where the fingers were, correct? And by the size of those bruises, they may even have been able to discern the approximate size of the hand of the perpetrator, e.g., by thumbprint bruise and be able to tell if she was strangled from the front or from behind. If it was from behind, I would be even more secure that she was grabbed from behind and quickly strangled before she knew what happened I hope she did not suffer too long.

Strangulation is one of the quickest deaths there is. Within minutes the person dies depending on the pressure. I was almost strangled several times (once at 6 by my aunt's husband, twice by an ex boyfriend, only the second time was bad). Each time, it was a sharp pain followed by urinating in my pants (that second time there was a lot of that) and pressure. I never got unconscious though so I was lucky. Now when I almost died in a beach that was more painful. I had a near death experience with that. At one point I gave up and was going. I was given a choice and got enough strength to get away from the girls who were keeping me underwater. I got lucky to guess the right direction to crawl out of the water. I was sick with pneumonia for a few weeks after that. Once someone reaches the point where they are dying, it is merciful since there is a death experience (crossing over) and the pain ends. There was a tunnel and a light and someone saying if I go any further I couldn't come back. I was 18 and I chose to go back.

3angelsrmine
01-07-2010, 09:53 PM
Strangulation is one of the quickest deaths there is. Within minutes the person dies depending on the pressure. I was almost strangled several times (once at 6 by my aunt's husband, twice by an ex boyfriend, only the second time was bad). Each time, it was a sharp pain followed by urinating in my pants (that second time there was a lot of that) and pressure. I never got unconscious though so I was lucky. Now when I almost died in a beach that was more painful. I had a near death experience with that. At one point I gave up and was going. I was given a choice and got enough strength to get away from the girls who were keeping me underwater. I got lucky to guess the right direction to crawl out of the water. I was sick with pneumonia for a few weeks after that. Once someone reaches the point where they are dying, it is merciful since there is a death experience (crossing over) and the pain ends. There was a tunnel and a light and someone saying if I go any further I couldn't come back. I was 18 and I chose to go back.

Pin, thanks for sharing an obviously painful memory. I'm happy you came back!

SharetheLight
01-08-2010, 01:05 AM
In thinking about M's uncle's statement about "she WON'T be there unless . . ." was this interview done after Somer's body was found?
Maybe the statement to M didn't go exactly like that. Maybe he changed the wording for dramatic effect after he learned her body was found. That is if the interview was after the body was found. If the interview is prior to them finding her, then the statement stands out as odd to me.

ChickenPants
01-08-2010, 01:10 AM
Strangulation is one of the quickest deaths there is. Within minutes the person dies depending on the pressure. I was almost strangled several times (once at 6 by my aunt's husband, twice by an ex boyfriend, only the second time was bad). Each time, it was a sharp pain followed by urinating in my pants (that second time there was a lot of that) and pressure. I never got unconscious though so I was lucky. Now when I almost died in a beach that was more painful. I had a near death experience with that. At one point I gave up and was going. I was given a choice and got enough strength to get away from the girls who were keeping me underwater. I got lucky to guess the right direction to crawl out of the water. I was sick with pneumonia for a few weeks after that. Once someone reaches the point where they are dying, it is merciful since there is a death experience (crossing over) and the pain ends. There was a tunnel and a light and someone saying if I go any further I couldn't come back. I was 18 and I chose to go back.

Thanks so much for this post. I had read/seen things about near death and I knew about that (a true story about a man who was stabbed 16 times and was too busy with the light to feel it) but didn't want to go into that here so I am so glad you did. It gave me great hope that God even helps those who are dying so they can handle it. I am so sorry for everything you have endured. You have such great insight and have much to offer because of your sufferings. Now you're a favored child, there was a reason for you to keep on....God Bless You.

Pin, I am wondering, did the strangulation leave any marks or bruises on you for a while?

Perhaps in forensics they will be able to determine also traces of urine due to that discharge on strangulation.

zannah
01-08-2010, 01:12 AM
In thinking about M's uncle's statement about "she WON'T be there unless . . ." was this interview done after Somer's body was found?
Maybe the statement to M didn't go exactly like that. Maybe he changed the wording for dramatic effect after he learned her body was found. That is if the interview was after the body was found. If the interview is prior to them finding her, then the statement stands out as odd to me.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Family-has-special-connection-to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx

Story is dated 10-21: appears to be prior to LE locating her.

SharetheLight
01-08-2010, 01:20 AM
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Family-has-special-connection-to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx

Story is dated 10-21: appears to be prior to LE locating her.


Okay then, I am going with very odd, creepy.
Or the other possibility could be since she wasn't found in two days that would be the outcome. It is still odd.

ChickenPants
01-08-2010, 01:25 AM
You know how you go to sleep and get half-awake in a kind of twilight zone where thoughts are clear....

About murder by an SO discussion. It came to me that maybe one of the places Somer regularly ran to was the house of an SO. (Cookies and milk?) He may not have been on the "neighbor list" because it would be natural for him to tell her that their friendship was their special secret, it was special - even "magic". He listened to her problems, gave her hugs, was sympathetic to her being picked on, etc. Was SUCH a good friend. Promised her and bought her things. Let her play with his puppy. Whatever it took to keep her in his life.

At some point he started going further than hugs and said that was o-k too, just a way of being close, you know...petted her and pampered her and told her she was pretty.

Then perhaps at some point she became uncomfortable and told him to stop it. Well he couldn't at that point, so he starts threatening her not to tell, somebody could get hurt, etc. He thought she was ready to tell. By now, he knew her well enough to know all of her routines. He prepared himself to do it because he did not want to get caught. He chose a plan and a means of disposal. He grabbed her and did it. He did it during the day because that was the only time he had access to her to do it.

The question is, did anyone know of her visiting a person like this, or is there someone who nobody suspects because he is one of those "nice quiet guys" with no record? The type that went to the vigil and handed out fliers and cried real tears because she is gone.

ChickenPants
01-08-2010, 01:27 AM
In thinking about M's uncle's statement about "she WON'T be there unless . . ." was this interview done after Somer's body was found?
Maybe the statement to M didn't go exactly like that. Maybe he changed the wording for dramatic effect after he learned her body was found. That is if the interview was after the body was found. If the interview is prior to them finding her, then the statement stands out as odd to me.

Seems I recall the statement was made before the body was found and that's why members here thought it was hinky, too. It was like, the little girl said she'd go ask Somer where she ran to, and Uncle said, you won't be able to" indicating she would be dead.

ChickenPants
01-08-2010, 01:32 AM
Do we really know if Somer was compacted in the trash, or is this something we have speculated on because trash from dumpsters is routinely compacted before going to a landfill? Could she have reached the landfill in an intact or partially intact form? IDK.

We talked about this when we noted that her legs could be seen and she was partially covered by garbage. So if she was compacted, her legs were intact enough to identify her by birthmark, and in other reports, they say dental records also identified her. The funeral director I spoke to said that he had an experience preparing a person who had gone through this kind of trauma, and it is possible to restore the body to a state even acceptable for viewing. Perhaps it depends on how much she was compacted.

If she was not compacted, that would have an impact on how much forensic evidence (i.e., discerning she had been murdered by marks or wounds as we discussed) could be obtained at the scene. BTW I have seen a lot of residents who take a little fall and the next day their eyes are totally black and blue, so much they look like they were in a fight with somebody. So if she fell at any time, they might see this phenomenon as well.

Anyway one looks at it, it is so gruesome and unholy and just heart breaking. TIA for anyone's insight here.

sadnpod
01-08-2010, 01:48 AM
This is my first time posting here, but I have been following this closely since day 1. I found out about Somer's abduction through friends online that went to high school with me and with Sammy. I don't live in the same area as him anymore, but knew him pretty well in high school. He was just a good guy. I have heard him described as a gentle giant--a big football player who was just nice to everyone and seemed really kind. I think most of the coverage of him would confirm that he is still that kind of person.

This horrible thing didn't happen to me or my family, and I can't imagine the pain that DT and ST are going through, as well as Somer's brothers and sister. This case has really opened my eyes in a lot of ways. You hear about abductions and other evil acts in the news, and you feel bad but go on with your life. This time, one of the people involved is more than just a face and a name, and it really woke me up. You never think of this type of thing happening to yourself or someone you know, and then it does. It is frightening that this type of evil exists.

I know this is a rambling post, and I apologize for that. I just want to say to Sadnpod and any other posters or lurkers here that are personally affected by this that for every person you see on here there are many more out there who want justice for Somer and peace for you. I say a prayer for the LE officials investigating this crime, and hope that the person responsible is discovered soon so the family can start on the path to closure and healing.

WELCOME!!! WELCOME!!! hang around and join in! Have you contacted sam?

sadnpod
01-08-2010, 02:15 AM
KC -- has this kid BL he says his is brother -- I don't think it is in hey "bro" == might from a previous marriage - there are pics on the myspace --First name ryhmes with Chilly.

GO to his myspace - he has a youtube video -- It think it is his or his friends account - you will see the video of his yellow car.

Guys, this could be nothing -- I am trying to straighten this all out in my own head.

Though, we did get confirmation on link between sitter and KC

First name rhymes with chilly?
Huh? Khilly? LOL