View Full Version : AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #2
Salem
01-06-2010, 05:14 PM
Please continue here.
Thread 1
Salem
Salem
01-06-2010, 05:18 PM
Bringing this over from thread 1:
There seems to be a couple of theories about how TPS and EJ met. One suggests in an airport, the other is that they met right on a plane. From Boston. What connection do they both have to Boston?
Salem
passionflower
01-06-2010, 05:27 PM
Why do none of these people ever think of a baby's emotions?
Gabriel is 8 months old, he is a little person!
He does know love, pain, being afraid...............
People are plain heartless!
I'm hoping and praying who ever has him is giving him lots of love.
He really needs love and care!
He's not a toy to buy and sell.
God love him, I hope he is safe.
As the days go by, it sounds more horrendous.
Scare them all with murder charges and see who cracks first
with the truth TO FIND GABRIEL!!!
luckygirl
01-06-2010, 05:29 PM
Lets hope that LE are getting phone records for EJ and TPS. Hopefully computer records too. I swear, there is so much more to learn about these two.
what about this?
01-06-2010, 05:49 PM
I am really starting to think TPS set this whole thing up, got what she wanted (wherever that baby is), and is now throwing EJ under the bus -- she wants EJ put away, and thought the father would just go away. That's just my opinion - not to excuse the mother in any way, but I think TPS is a preditor.
I am confused. When did the dad get custody? Before or after Gabriel went "missing"?
what about this?
01-06-2010, 06:01 PM
I am confused. When did the dad get custody? Before or after Gabriel went "missing"?
Dad got custody after Gabriel went missing, on Dec 28, when EJ didn't show up for the custody hearing.
Just listening to the whole interview from yesterday with EJ, the news crew, and TPS - I think EJ may not know who "Cheryl" is - this was set up by TPS. Now, TPS is trying to convince LE, news crew, and everyone else she is trying to "help" EJ -- TPS, IMO, is a manipulative predator!
IMO, the "tips" were provided by TPS, and she has EJ just where she wants her, and baby Gabriel is just where she wants him.
I wish LE would arrest TPS for attempted extortion now, before this goes any further.
luckygirl
01-06-2010, 06:01 PM
I am confused. When did the dad get custody? Before or after Gabriel went "missing"?
I think right after Gabriel went missing. There was an emergency hearing.
momtective
01-06-2010, 06:02 PM
Covering Gabriel now on HLN
momtective
01-06-2010, 06:05 PM
Elizabeth has spoken to FBI about a composite drawing of the couple she supposedly handed the baby over to. Per HLN
DairyGirl
01-06-2010, 06:11 PM
Ok, I'm a bit confused. The mother was from AZ, and went to San Antonio, TX? What was her reason for that particular location? What brought her there? Obviously, there was a reason for her to choose that city and I believe that reason has everything to do with the Smiths. She had to have a reason to go to TX of all the places in the world. I think she did hand off her child, I just don't think it was to a random couple she met in the park. The Smiths must have thought they were saving a child from an abusive father (whatever bill of goods EJ sold) and that they were helping. They are in up to their necks and better start talking. I hope that LE is all over their cell phone records, internet usage and whatever other means they have to find out who they have been talking to.
passionflower
01-06-2010, 06:24 PM
Now what could be scarry is if they think they will be caught, what will they do with Gabriel?
Let's hope LE watches their EVERY move!!!
Do we have a video with these people???
TIA
LogicalMinds
01-06-2010, 06:27 PM
I am really starting to think TPS set this whole thing up, got what she wanted (wherever that baby is), and is now throwing EJ under the bus -- she wants EJ put away, and thought the father would just go away. That's just my opinion - not to excuse the mother in any way, but I think TPS is a preditor.
??? I am sorry but even without TPS the bio mom is just a horror..
from the start of his life she was making threats to this sweet baby
and the dad is an enabler....I feel sorry for him but it is Gabriel that I worry about not any of these unfit rotten adults in his little life
The so called mother left him in dirty diapers for hours....neighbors said they thought she was beating/hitting him..they heard noises and shame on them for not calling 911
So far everyone has let this little guy down
TPS saw a situation to take advantage of ....but the bio mom created that situation
I don't give any of them a "pass"...and I really hope we don't hear some boo hoo stories about any of them...my "sympathy" turns off when I see adults abusing a child
I pray that little Gabriel is alive and that every adult who has put him in this peril is punished to the max for it
passionflower
01-06-2010, 06:37 PM
Can EJ be arrested for child endangerment? negligent child care? kidnapping?
momtective
01-06-2010, 06:38 PM
What are the chances that the mystery couple (if there is a mystery couple) stayed at one of the same hotels as EJ? I hope they're checking the guest registry at each of the hotels.
dnrslucky1
01-06-2010, 06:38 PM
Elizabeth,s eyes look empty. They remind me of my niece who is addicted to drugs. She has that same smug look. She does not care about her baby, only herself.
Her baby is a pawn to her, she knows it!
momtective
01-06-2010, 06:42 PM
Can EJ be arrested for child endangerment? negligent child care? kidnapping?
I would think she could be charged with murder...she confessed in that text message that she killed him. Whether she did or not I think If they charged her she would start talking and tell them where Gabriel is. If she doesn't talk then send her to death row and stick a needle in her arm. She's a worthless piece of flesh without a soul anyway. jmo
Salem
01-06-2010, 06:55 PM
I would think she could be charged with murder...she confessed in that text message that she killed him. Whether she did or not I think If they charged her she would start talking and tell them where Gabriel is. If she doesn't talk then send her to death row and stick a needle in her arm. She's a worthless piece of flesh without a soul anyway. jmo
I agree. She confessed and there is no one coming forth with Gabriel. Also, now they have found the car and still no baby. I think they should charge her with murder also.
Salem
what about this?
01-06-2010, 06:58 PM
??? I am sorry but even without TPS the bio mom is just a horror..
from the start of his life she was making threats to this sweet baby
and the dad is an enabler....I feel sorry for him but it is Gabriel that I worry about not any of these unfit rotten adults in his little life
The so called mother left him in dirty diapers for hours....neighbors said they thought she was beating/hitting him..they heard noises and shame on them for not calling 911
So far everyone has let this little guy down
TPS saw a situation to take advantage of ....but the bio mom created that situation
I don't give any of them a "pass"...and I really hope we don't hear some boo hoo stories about any of them...my "sympathy" turns off when I see adults abusing a child
I pray that little Gabriel is alive and that every adult who has put him in this peril is punished to the max for it
I agree, everyone has let that little guy down -- and I'm certainly not giving her a "pass"! Where are her PARENTS? She has a grandfather - but if all of this being-left-in-the-dirty-diapers and beating/hitting -- WHERE WAS EVERYBODY THEN?
You know, it is so sickening to think that right now, some little child is going through that and no one is doing a damned thing about it but talking.
But my point is - yes, this is horrible and was horrible and inexcusable - we need to find that little baby NOW -
and TPS is the orchestrator, I believe, of this whole thing. I believe she is selfish and manipulative and an opportunist -- maybe the thing to do is get EJ to see that TPS used her to get the baby -- and turn EJ against TPS!
If EJ thinks that TPS has used her, she may explode and then talk!
What do you think?
nursebeeme
01-06-2010, 07:02 PM
((((salem)))) hi friend! And thank you for the new thread!
gitana1
01-06-2010, 07:10 PM
Can EJ be arrested for child endangerment? negligent child care? kidnapping?
I think she can. Just like casey anthony, based on her story that she abandoned her child to a couple she did not know and cannot locate. I'm sure that's next, or a murder charge.
arielilane
01-06-2010, 07:10 PM
Posting article for those who are coming in late as myself:
Two sets of parents caught up in a bizarre custody dispute (http://abcnews.go.com/US/lisa-miller-fails-hand-daughter-isabella-lesbian-partner/story?id=9462217) are frantic with worry about a missing 8-month-old baby and are begging his mother to tell police the truth about what she did with him.
Gabriel Johnson's biological father, Logan McQueary, said he fears Elizabeth Johnson may have killed their son, despite the lack evidence. But a couple who had been in talks to adopt the baby (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/International/china-tackles-baby-trafficking-problem/story?id=8973540) are sticking by the Arizona mother, saying she hid Gabriel to protect him.
Tammi and Jack Smith told "Good Morning America" today that Johnson gave her baby to an unknown couple while on the run (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/mom-babysitter-charged-disappearance-florida-infant/story?id=9003873) in San Antonio, Texas.
Johnson, 23, of Tempe, Ariz., disappeared before Christmas after McQueary refused to let her adopt out their son. She had lost custody (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/goldman-custody-battle-grandmother-vows-fight-boy/story?id=9447000) of Gabriel after failing to appear at a Dec. 28 court hearing.
She was arrested Dec. 29 in Miami Beach for interfering with custody -- without Gabriel.
"What she is telling us is that she met a family, a Caucasian man and woman with no child -- young," Tammi Smith told "Good Morning America."
"And she met them in the park. And she was crying and distraught and they came up to her and said, 'How can we help you?'"
When pressed for details about the couple, Smith said Johnson didn't remember much despite having spent three days with them, just that the woman's first name was "Cheryl." Tammi Smith said Johnson told her she purposely tried not to focus on their car or last names so she wouldn't be tempted to change her mind and get her son back.
"She believed she was doing a closed adoption," Tammi Smith said.
In a jailhouse interview Tuesday with a Phoenix CBS affiliate, Johnson reiterated her claim that she had given Gabriel to a couple she met at a San Antonio Park.
"I made a hasty decision and I thought it was OK," she said. "They approached me. I was out alone with the baby at the park. I trusted them, I believe in my heart they are good people."
Johnson is scheduled to be extradited to Arizona this week.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-baby-gabriel-arizona-mother-refuses-police-find/story?id=9489263
SusanB
01-06-2010, 07:27 PM
Took me awhile to catch up on the posts here. I just watched the Smiths two interviews - OMG. TPS - a total loon. She obviously knows where the child is - he does not seem in the least upset or concerned about his welfare.
I believe that TS set the whole thing up - she has connections through her web site, etc. from around the country I bet. She arranged for someone to pick up the baby in San Antonio.
What I do not get is - now what? Does TS think we'll all forget about it? Suddenly the baby can be hers? She seems like a sick woman, and like a prior poster stated, about ready to tear a fetus from someone's womb.
She is a piece of work - willing to get a baby at all costs! Wonder if she knows what she is doing will land her in jail - remember human trafficking? That it is illegal to manipulate/buy/sell a human being?
We need cell phone records and surveillance videos. The actual transaction of baby to owner occurred in San Antonio just prior to EJ 's leaving the car at the Motel 6 - as she was seen exiting the car alone at 12:30 PM.
Why is TS so excited to talk to the media and give interviews? Is she crazy? Well, I guess Ms Tammi should keep on talkin' - the more she talks, the more trouble she will be in! I can't understand why she is not already being interrogated by LE in a most harsh way.
Waiting now for Jane V-M or NG shows to provide some info........:o
BeanE
01-06-2010, 07:38 PM
Okay. Follow me here. You're Elizabeth. You've given your baby to a couple in a park. You've been arrested. Everybody is upset. You recognize LE is trying to find your baby. You talk to your friend Tammi on the phone from jail.
Don't you ask your friend Tammi that since she's all over the TV to please beg Cheryl and her hubby to call LE and let them check out your baby?
Why haven't the Smiths in all these interviews begged for Cheryl and Mr. Cheryl to contact LE? To just let everybody know that Gabriel is okay?
I'm losing my mind. Nothing about this makes any damm sense.
:banghead: :waitasec: :crazy:
iluvmua
01-06-2010, 07:52 PM
It does not look too good. If somebody had him i'm sure by now they would have contacted somebody.
Quit playing games, AND TELL POLICE WHAT YOU DID WITH YOUR SON!!!!!!:furious:
EJ needs to be in prison for a LONG time.
what about this?
01-06-2010, 07:56 PM
Okay. Follow me here. You're Elizabeth. You've given your baby to a couple in a park. You've been arrested. Everybody is upset. You recognize LE is trying to find your baby. You talk to your friend Tammi on the phone from jail.
Don't you ask your friend Tammi that since she's all over the TV to please beg Cheryl and her hubby to call LE and let them check out your baby?
Why haven't the Smiths in all these interviews begged for Cheryl and Mr. Cheryl to contact LE? To just let everybody know that Gabriel is okay?
I'm losing my mind. Nothing about this makes any damm sense.
:banghead: :waitasec: :crazy:
Okay, but maybe you're believing all the manipulative/motherly/nurturing (remember - no mother that we have heard of for EJ) crap that is being told to you. Now, you're in jail. You call - TPS is sooooo willing to talk to you, and ALSO to bring in news crews. TPS is being soooo nice to your grandfather. TPS tries to see herself to the media as the one who is "helping" --
Cheryl and Mr. Cheryl have been in this all along.
That baby will be found by a REAL tip from someone who notices a couple with an 8-month-old beautiful child (and recognizes him) that they have never had before.
I really think that TPS is delusional - she really thinks she is going to get this baby in the end, and she will do whatever necessary to get it. JMO.
Tell EJ that that's what's going on -- she may crack.
And now - I'm going crazy with this. I have to leave for a while, because this is so much - maybe I'm doing it to myself (yeah - ya think?)!
momtective
01-06-2010, 08:00 PM
Snipped
I'm losing my mind. Nothing about this makes any damm sense.
:banghead: :waitasec: :crazy:
They don't want it to make sense BeanE cause if it does then they all go to jail.
I have all the confidence in the world that it's all making perfect sense to the FBI & LE...they are just holding off until they have all their ducks in a row.
what about this?
01-06-2010, 08:03 PM
I so hope NG rips her a new one - won't need any more colonics! Good move, TPS, going on NG!!!!
Sorry, that's why I have to leave.
Searchfortruth
01-06-2010, 08:09 PM
FBI has taken video from San Antonio bus station, per NG.
Searchfortruth
01-06-2010, 08:11 PM
She borrowed her Grandfathers car to drive from Tempe to TX.
NG is showing alot of pics of Gabriel with TPS and her daughter. This woman is stupid!
Searchfortruth
01-06-2010, 08:11 PM
The Smiths are on Nancy Grace.
Did TPS just say that she has only known EJ for 3 or 4 weeks?
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:13 PM
The Smiths are on NG. Tammi says she's only known Eliz 3 or 4 weeks!
darlin gal
01-06-2010, 08:13 PM
she said she's only known her 3 or 4 weeks? wtf?
Kamille
01-06-2010, 08:14 PM
I don't think Florida LE have/had any jurisdiction to charge EJ with anything. I think we'll see the ball start to roll when she's back in AZ.
I have another question about TPS. Why didn't she just tell EJ that LM had signed the papers so she would return with the baby if she was so worried about them? How would EJ have known the difference? I call BS on that one too. TPS was trying to get those papers signed at all costs and when LM refused, plan B went into place.
what about this?
01-06-2010, 08:14 PM
she said she's only known her 3 or 4 weeks? wtf?
What a liar!!!
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:15 PM
Snipped
They don't want it to make sense BeanE cause if it does then they all go to jail.
I have all the confidence in the world that it's all making perfect sense to the FBI & LE...they are just holding off until they have all their ducks in a row.
Thank for that, mom. I needed that. Hugs.
DairyGirl
01-06-2010, 08:15 PM
I can't believe that the Smiths are on NG, acting like victims that only wanted to help. I wish NG would ask the questions that need to be asked, like what sent EJ to San Antonio in the first place? They seem to be enjoying all this attention a little too much if you ask me. TPS needs to do a colonic on herself because she is full of it.
iluvmua
01-06-2010, 08:15 PM
Am I missing something here, Tammi says she has only known EJ for 3 or 4 weeks now.
Good everyone else heard that too! I thought I was hearing things
momtective
01-06-2010, 08:16 PM
The Smiths are on NG. Tammi says she's only known Eliz 3 or 4 weeks!
WHAT! So the changing stories and inconsistencies begin...:banghead:
Searchfortruth
01-06-2010, 08:16 PM
she said she's only known her 3 or 4 weeks? wtf?Definitely back peddling...
lonetraveler
01-06-2010, 08:17 PM
I so hope NG rips her a new one - won't need any more colonics! Good move, TPS, going on NG!!!!
Sorry, that's why I have to leave.
Right now Nancy Grace is fawning all over these two people. Talking about how special Ms Tammi and her husband are??????? WTH?
Wow she looks so calm in the court videos
gitana1
01-06-2010, 08:17 PM
NG called the Smiths a very special couple and gushed about how they had the hearts set on adopting this little boy. She's acting like they are devastated by the disappearance. And the Smiths are trying to play up to that a tiny bit but you can tell they aren't feeling any distress. I really with NG's team would do a bit of research before NG makes an AZZ of herself by pandering to a couple of extortionist nut bars whose stories keep changing minute by minute.
darlin gal
01-06-2010, 08:18 PM
Someone should send Nancy this nutters FB messages! she is coddling them like they are saints.
Look at the husband fumblin with his words!!
momtective
01-06-2010, 08:18 PM
Right now Nancy Grace is fawning all over these two people. Talking about how special Ms Tammi and her husband are??????? WTH?
:puke:
I really wish NG would get a membership here at WS cause she doesn't know what the h3ll she's talkin' about!
Missy70Texas
01-06-2010, 08:19 PM
Not that it matters but it seems like Jack Smith is quite a bit older then Tammy, he appears to be old enough to be her father.
Searchfortruth
01-06-2010, 08:19 PM
Tammi is staying quiet.
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:20 PM
Bought bus ticket as Elizabeth Jones.
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:21 PM
Sold her 2 dogs for $500, rented out room for $400?
Had WIC for Gabriel for his food.
trigger
01-06-2010, 08:22 PM
NG called the Smiths a very special couple and gushed about how they had the hearts set on adopting this little boy. She's acting like they are devastated by the disappearance. And the Smiths are trying to play up to that a tiny bit but you can tell they aren't feeling any distress. I really with NG's team would do a bit of research before NG makes an AZZ of herself by pandering to a couple of extortionist nut bars whose stories keep changing minute by minute.
To late...
Searchfortruth
01-06-2010, 08:22 PM
OMG...yorkies ?
The Smiths are on NG. Tammi says she's only known Eliz 3 or 4 weeks!
Huh? Doesn't that conflict with the meeting her in the airport story, let alone wouldn't that mean Tammi is claiming that Elizabeth gave her son to them to take care of about a day after they met?????
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:24 PM
OMG...yorkies ?
Holy Cindy Anthony!
Now she met her 7 months ago!
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:26 PM
I have a feeling that the Smiths and the Anthonys are going to become BFFs.
momtective
01-06-2010, 08:26 PM
Holy Cindy Anthony!
:floorlaugh:
OMG BeanE can we even think about going through this again.
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:27 PM
He thinks Eliz gave away baby because "she's looking at this through non-normal eyes" that say people do it every day.
momtective
01-06-2010, 08:28 PM
Now she met her 7 months ago!
The more she talks the better it is...I'm tellin' ya this gal will be arrested...wait and see.:crazy:
LadyL
01-06-2010, 08:28 PM
so, I finally got caught up ... whew
also, got added as a friend on someone's fb
also have been checking out all nutbar's social networking sites
my gawd, that woman is everywhere!
why was NG coddling them? not that I like NG at all but I was under the impression that she asks the hard questions & that's why people watch her?
Blue_Dolphin308
01-06-2010, 08:28 PM
Jack is taking responsibility for the police being able to locate the car! He stated that he had the local news record their phone conversation so that there was no questions. And from that interview, they were able to locate the car. Jack is gloating about how the police found her car from the couples investigation and sources that they have. Jack also stated that they have" sources" and then laughed and said "Isn't it great we have sources...."
Missy70Texas
01-06-2010, 08:28 PM
Sounds like she met her 7 months ago but has not had any more interaction with her till as recent as December 8???
LadyL
01-06-2010, 08:28 PM
Now she met her 7 months ago!
is NG on right now?
what about this?
01-06-2010, 08:29 PM
I wish so much that when we push the "THANKS" button, we could do it multiple times!
I'm not watching tv... how the heck did Tammi go from 3-4 weeks to 7 months?
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:29 PM
:floorlaugh:
OMG BeanE can we even think about going through this again.
I'm tellin' ya, mom. She's been reading the KC case.
:cow:
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:29 PM
I'm not watching tv... how the heck did Tammi go from 3-4 weeks to 7 months?
Met her 7 months ago but only got to know her 3-4 wks ago.
Blue_Dolphin308
01-06-2010, 08:29 PM
Not that it matters but it seems like Jack Smith is quite a bit older then Tammy, he appears to be old enough to be her father.
Don't think this matters. My husband is 30 years older then me.
Searchfortruth
01-06-2010, 08:30 PM
Tammi messed up, after trying to make it sound like the airport meeting was nothing (no mention of adoption by her), she said, on Dec 8th, EJ called and asked if she still wanted to adopt the baby.
Terri is taking responsibility for the police being able to locate the car! He stated that he had the local news record their phone conversation so that there was no questions. And from that interview, they were able to locate the car. Terri is gloating about how the police found her car from the couples investigation and sources that they have. Terri also stated that they have" sources" and then laughed and said "Isn't it great we have sources...."
Who is Terri?
Blue_Dolphin308
01-06-2010, 08:31 PM
Sorry fixed it. Typed the wrong name
is NG on right now?
Yes!!!
LadyL
01-06-2010, 08:31 PM
Tammi messed up, after trying to make it sound like the airport meeting was nothing (no mention of adoption by her), she said, on Dec 8th, EJ called and asked if she still wanted to adopt the baby.
good catch - she sure did!
what about this?
01-06-2010, 08:33 PM
I have no doubt that TSP would like to see her spend the rest of her life in jail -- so she can have her baby!!!!!
Sorry, I'm really leaving now -- OMG.
LadyL
01-06-2010, 08:33 PM
Yes!!!
sorry I don't watch her but you're all doing a really good play-by-play lol
Gabriel's dad should sue TPS for slander
Searchfortruth
01-06-2010, 08:35 PM
Thank God for Mark Klass !
momtective
01-06-2010, 08:35 PM
Tammi messed up, after trying to make it sound like the airport meeting was nothing (no mention of adoption by her), she said, on Dec 8th, EJ called and asked if she still wanted to adopt the baby.
So what happened with the "I saw it in her face that she didn't want to be a mother and I asked her if she was looking for someone to adopt her baby?"
Oh I know..misquotes and mistruthifications.
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:36 PM
NG just yelled at Mark Klaas :shocked2:
Now she says that EJ sounded cheery when they talked to her yesterday
Searchfortruth
01-06-2010, 08:37 PM
Mark tried to call the Smiths out but Nancy put the brakes on it.
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:37 PM
Jack just said they were just babysitters
Blue_Dolphin308
01-06-2010, 08:37 PM
DAMN Watch Jack hang himself!
gitana1
01-06-2010, 08:37 PM
I don't think Florida LE have/had any jurisdiction to charge EJ with anything. I think we'll see the ball start to roll when she's back in AZ.
I have another question about TPS. Why didn't she just tell EJ that LM had signed the papers so she would return with the baby if she was so worried about them? How would EJ have known the difference? I call BS on that one too. TPS was trying to get those papers signed at all costs and when LM refused, plan B went into place.
TPS and her husband are lying. Something is wrong with them. Hey, Nancy Grace, do you know the strange history of Tammy Smith? How she alleges horrible child abuse against her and then later abuse by at least one partner (it seems she infers this abuse was sexual), how she then went on to have three children who she lost custody of, who were then hidden from her for a year and how she gave up rights to them after she later found them because her ex would then interefere with her ability to visit, etc., how she then re-connected with them and has a relationship with them now (they are of age, IIRC) and has a photo of herself with her teen-aged kids in a bubble bath in little bathing suits?
How about the fact that TPS is all over the internet trying to get kids, soliciting teens who want to be surrogates, watching other's children with the hopes of gaining custody of them (Example, the little girl Salina), succeeding in doing so with her current adopted daughter who was her step-daughter's child (IIRC), trying to do it again with Gabriel who she would have, in her own words, if the birth father's "ego" didn't get in the way?
What about the fact that her story keeps changing, minute to minute, how she claimed to have legal, temporary custody of Gabriel, then claimed she was only babysitting? How she knew Gabriel since he was a month old but now says only a few weeks?
How about the allegations of Logan who says TPS attempted to extort him, saying if she wanted his son to come back, he would sign adoption papers and how TPS says she was simply "relaying a message from EJ?"
What about the fact that TPS has been in constant contact with EJ since she ran, actually arranged for the media to speak with EJ in a conference call with TPS, with TPS seeming to guide EJ's comments and answers and how she persists in defending the motivations of this monster mom and bashing the father who they really don't know?
This angers me!
Also, is it only a few of us who do not believe there is a chance in hell that EJ gave baby Gabriel to some phantom couple at a park? NG and company seem to be buying this story.
NG is really getting on my last nerve tonight. She just yelled at a hero, in my book, Mr. Klaas who was pointing out some facts about this suspicious couple.
Jack Smith is so fumbling with every response he gives.
what about this?
01-06-2010, 08:38 PM
Maybe NG knows more than we think, and is leading them on --
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:38 PM
Tammi is doing all this (tv interviews) to help find Gabriel because she wants to return him to his family.
I give up.
Blue_Dolphin308
01-06-2010, 08:39 PM
Its been extremly exhausting I have only gotten a couple of hours of sleep. We have nothing to gain from this. RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTT And I am the Pope!
Met her 7 months ago but only got to know her 3-4 wks ago.
I see someone caught another mess-up by Tammi and this is another one... no way it could be 3 weeks ago, I think it was a bit longer than that when the boy was left at her house. I was thinking the date was Dec 9?
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:39 PM
Psychologist. Whole thing is suspicious and improbable. Keeps changing story. Liar. Pathological liar.
gitana1
01-06-2010, 08:40 PM
There it is, "And I've only had a couple hours of sleep, it's been so exhausting!" That from TPS on NG. Remind you of anyone? Oh my gosh! And NG asking, totally without guile, "What is in it for you coming forward?" What's in it for them? Covering their tracks, covering their behinds, and satisfying TPS's need for attention, IMO.
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:40 PM
Thank God for Mark Klass !
I love that man so much!!!!!
I see someone caught another mess-up by Tammi and this is another one... no way it could be 3 weeks ago, I think it was a bit longer than that when the boy was left at her house. I was thinking the date was Dec 9?
Watch the photos NG is playing on the screen and look at the difference in his size in the ones with her and her daughter. Will someone who is friends with her on FB check the age difference in the photos of Gabriel on her page?
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:42 PM
There it is, "And I've only had a couple hours of sleep, it's been so exhausting!" That from TPS on NG. Remind you of anyone? Oh my gosh! And NG asking, totally without guile, "What is in it for you coming forward?" What's in it for them? Covering their tracks, covering their behinds, and satisfying TPS's need for attention, IMO.
She's channeling Cindy
what about this?
01-06-2010, 08:43 PM
Mark tried to call the Smiths out but Nancy put the brakes on it.
Yes, yes, yes! That was unbelievable!!!
Why did Nancy do that -- they are on to TSP, Nancy knows it and leading them on, and Mark spills the beans because it is so obvious!!!
There is a God!!!!!!
Searchfortruth
01-06-2010, 08:43 PM
Thanks Gitana, I am so furious right now that words wouldn't do it justice, but you explained it perfectly.
Maybe NG knows more than we think, and is leading them on --
I don't like Nancy (really don't like her), but this seems unusual for her in a case like this and I doubt she is sympathizing - NG must be coddling them cause she thinks they will trip up (which they are! so thank you)
momtective
01-06-2010, 08:44 PM
Nancy Grace do you read here? If so, word to ya... you're going to need a spatula to scrap all that egg off of your face when the truth comes out that TPS is behind this whole thing! jmo
gitana1
01-06-2010, 08:44 PM
The more she talks the better it is...I'm tellin' ya this gal will be arrested...wait and see.:crazy:
I hope your right. She is doing nothing for the investigation, nothing to bring baby Gabriel home safely and her story makes no sense. Who the heck asks a distressed mom if she wants to give away her baby? Isn't the proper question, "Are you okay? Do you need anything?"
The fact that LE says they have indications that Gabriel is alive makes me think they are watching this couple and know more than we think.
Blue_Dolphin308
01-06-2010, 08:44 PM
Ok coming in late here, but were we ever to verify anything on the father of Gabriel? Does he have a criminal record?? Was he abusive???
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:45 PM
Yes, yes, yes! That was unbelievable!!!
Why did Nancy do that -- they are on to TSP, Nancy knows it and leading them on, and Mark spills the beans because it is so obvious!!!
There is a God!!!!!!
NG did it because "we're not here to vilify anyone"
:banghead:
Where are EJ's parents?? It really bothers me that no one from her family is speaking
Blue_Dolphin308
01-06-2010, 08:46 PM
Yes, yes, yes! That was unbelievable!!!
Why did Nancy do that -- they are on to TSP, Nancy knows it and leading them on, and Mark spills the beans because it is so obvious!!!
There is a God!!!!!!
We can ONLY hope that they are on to them... And this is a ploy to get them to slip up!
Watch the photos NG is playing on the screen and look at the difference in his size in the ones with her and her daughter. Will someone who is friends with her on FB check the age difference in the photos of Gabriel on her page?
Oh, dang it, I don't have my TV on. Even if I am logged in I can't see much of anything on her FB page so I don't know how others are.
jade78
01-06-2010, 08:47 PM
It does not look too good. If somebody had him i'm sure by now they would have contacted somebody.
Quit playing games, AND TELL POLICE WHAT YOU DID WITH YOUR SON!!!!!!:furious:
EJ needs to be in prison for a LONG time.
No this young girl is being manipulated by This Tammi woman.
On Nancy Grace first Tammi's husband said THEY HAVE SOURCES in Texas.
and only knew this young girl for 4 weeks,then Tammi says she has known her for 7 months.They know where this baby is.
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:48 PM
The psychologist doesn't believe the story about the couple. Just doesn't make sense.
Where are EJ's parents?? It really bothers me that no one from her family is speaking
I suspect those are the kind of mothers/surrogates that Tammi scopes out - the ones with few support systems, family, money, etc.
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:49 PM
No this young girl is being manipulated by This Tammi woman.
On Nancy Grace first Tammi's husband said THEY HAVE SOURCES in Texas.
and only knew this young girl for 4 weeks,then Tammi says she has known her for 7 months.They know where this baby is.
He said sources in TV and radio. Tammi is the natural health specialist advisor or something like that for Channel 5 News in Phoenix.
(maybe the Enema Expert)
:-)
trigger
01-06-2010, 08:51 PM
NG did it because "we're not here to vilify anyone"
:banghead:
OMG this is crazy...Good for you Mark....
Blue_Dolphin308
01-06-2010, 08:51 PM
He said sources in TV and radio. Tammi is the natural health specialist advisor or something like that for Channel 5 News in Phoenix.
(maybe the Enema Expert)
:-)
Nope thats not what he said. He simply stated that they had Sources. He did not explain anything more other then they had sources!
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:51 PM
I suspect those are the kind of mothers/surrogates that Tammi scopes out - the ones with few support systems, family, money, etc.
What's in her background that she can't go through normal adoption channels? That's what I want to know.
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:52 PM
Nope thats not what he said. He simply stated that they had Sources. He did not explain anything more other then they had sources!
Yes that is what he said. Sources in TV and radio.
ETA: And I'll be happy to provide you the link on her being the advisor for channel 5 news.
forthelost
01-06-2010, 08:53 PM
Ok coming in late here, but were we ever to verify anything on the father of Gabriel? Does he have a criminal record?? Was he abusive???
Some criminal record, all from before he was twenty. Robbery and I think drug-related offenses. The only one verified to be abusive is the abductor. She was under investigation for it.
Kamille
01-06-2010, 08:56 PM
Yes that is what he said. Sources in TV and radio.
ETA: And I'll be happy to provide you the link on her being the advisor for channel 5 news.
He seemed to throw that in as an afterthought when he realized how "sources in San Antonio" sounded. I bet they have sources!!
luckygirl
01-06-2010, 08:57 PM
Where are EJ's parents?? It really bothers me that no one from her family is speaking
Oh, I so agree!
gitana1
01-06-2010, 08:57 PM
Yes, yes, yes! That was unbelievable!!!
Why did Nancy do that -- they are on to TSP, Nancy knows it and leading them on, and Mark spills the beans because it is so obvious!!!
There is a God!!!!!!
I really don't think NG is on to them. She thought they would present as a perfect media couple, a couple who fell in love with a little boy who has crummy parents, and who are now disconsolate at the loss of their baby to be.
NG, IMO, gets defensive when someone does not agree totally with her and I don't think she likes being called out on something she hasn't thought of yet when she has been presenting a different angle. It would make her look stupid to present this couple sympathetically and then suddenly realize she may be wrong and have to change tacks with them on air.
Also,NG sometimes gets facts wrong and often gets information, "breaking news" , LONG after we do. She has no clue about this couple, IMO. Hopefully, she'll soon learn.
I'm disappointed in her. She used to run a pretty good crime show. Now it's all about celebs and their drama. If she concentrated more on us common folk, maybe she would have had her research.
jade78
01-06-2010, 08:57 PM
I have no doubt that TSP would like to see her spend the rest of her life in jail -- so she can have her baby!!!!!
Sorry, I'm really leaving now -- OMG.
I am so seeing Melinda and Casey dumb enough to be in this situation.
I am so sick.:sick:,Sad and shocked here.
passionflower
01-06-2010, 08:57 PM
Tammi seems VERY confident that baby Gabriel is alright, I would be crying...........
so IMO she knows where he is or who he is with.
But how long can they keep hiding him???
One LE guy said he feels this will end in a disaster.
Someone called in and NG agreed, it seems allot like KC case.
OMG! NO!!
what about this?
01-06-2010, 08:58 PM
I don't like Nancy (really don't like her), but this seems unusual for her in a case like this and I doubt she is sympathizing - NG must be coddling them cause she thinks they will trip up (which they are! so thank you)
I used to really like Nancy Grace, and then got mad -- but maybe tonight, if she did what we think she did, she can redeem herself (at least with me).
Thank you, Marc Klaas! I hope they are moving in now --
And God, if you're there -- please let it be like little Natalie on Christmas night - let that little boy come back home!
BeanE
01-06-2010, 08:58 PM
He seemed to throw that in as an afterthought when he realized how "sources in San Antonio" sounded. I bet they have sources!!
Thank you for confirming that's what he said.
mysticrose
01-06-2010, 08:58 PM
So has Tammi's story changed quite often or is it just me ?
passionflower
01-06-2010, 08:59 PM
What mother doesn't want to see where her child will sleep, eat or live???
A MOMSTER!!!
luckygirl
01-06-2010, 09:00 PM
Some criminal record, all from before he was twenty. Robbery and I think drug-related offenses. The only one verified to be abusive is the abductor. She was under investigation for it.
Yes, and early on I was reading the comments from an Az news station (sorry I don't have the link) and his cousin wrote that he had turned his life around and has the support of the family.
So has Tammi's story changed quite often or is it just me ?
Oh her story changed alright. She can keep talking all day long, eventually she is gonna screw up big time. As for her husband, everything response he gave was stumbled and fumbled through. Pretty sure LE will be watching those interviews like my great-aunt watched reruns of the Golden Girls!
jade78
01-06-2010, 09:03 PM
What's in her background that she can't go through normal adoption channels? That's what I want to know.
Oh wait on her facebook friends list her older kids are on it ,last name is there.Her former married name!!! Off to check.
BeanE
01-06-2010, 09:06 PM
So here we are, 10 days now.
Praying for Gabriel, his dad, and all who love him. And for LE to be guided to him quickly.
what about this?
01-06-2010, 09:08 PM
Oh her story changed alright. She can keep talking all day long, eventually she is gonna screw up big time. As for her husband, everything response he gave was stumbled and fumbled through. Pretty sure LE will be watching those interviews like my great-aunt watched reruns of the Golden Girls!
Thanks - actually, that made me feel better!
BeanE
01-06-2010, 09:08 PM
Oh wait on her facebook friends list her older kids are on it ,last name is there.Her former married name!!! Off to check.
Yep, her bio kids are from her first marriage. Plus one adopted.
Her cafemom blog post has some interesting background info. And then of course the fact that she almost died from a clogged colon.
jade78
01-06-2010, 09:08 PM
What mother doesn't want to see where her child will sleep, eat or live???
A MOMSTER!!!
Or just a very dumb 23 yr old that believes her child is safe and being cared for better than she can do it!
Tammi and her hubby are liars.That baby was in their home,so how did he get there?
Plus the other girl from Tammi's facebook with the baby Selina.I wish I had the guts to ask that girl:banghead:
BeanE
01-06-2010, 09:11 PM
Or just a very dumb 23 yr old that believes her child is safe and being cared for better than she can do it!
Tammi and her hubby are liars.That baby was in their home,so how did he get there?
Plus the other girl from Tammi's facebook with the baby Selina.I wish I had the guts to ask that girl:banghead:
BBM
No way. Selfish, manipulative, uncaring, personality disordered.
:cow:
Or just a very dumb 23 yr old that believes her child is safe and being cared for better than she can do it!
Tammi and her hubby are liars.That baby was in their home,so how did he get there?
Plus the other girl from Tammi's facebook with the baby Selina.I wish I had the guts to ask that girl:banghead:
Didnt they originally say that EJ came and picked him up and they were under the impression she was taking him _______ (sorry dont remember where), but then EJ and Gabriel went missing?
Can someone with a better memory help me with this?
Blue_Dolphin308
01-06-2010, 09:12 PM
Got it ty!
DairyGirl
01-06-2010, 09:14 PM
Didnt they originally say that EJ came and picked him up and they were under the impression she was taking him _______ (sorry dont remember where), but then EJ and Gabriel went missing?
Can someone with a better memory help me with this?
According to what TPS said on NG, EJ wanted to pick the baby up to see his father.
Can someone pm me tammies FB id please?
I would but now I cant find her! I will continue to look and get back to you
Kamille
01-06-2010, 09:31 PM
According to what TPS said on NG, EJ wanted to pick the baby up to see his father.
Well if TPS said they had Gabriel for "a couple of weeks" (or was it 10 days?) from late Nov to early Dec, what was he doing there on Dec 18 when EJ came to pick him up to visit his father? Another mistruthification?
What's in her background that she can't go through normal adoption channels? That's what I want to know.
You asking that question just put two and two together for me (although, it's just a hunch) ... Tammi's ex husband got custody of their kids, they lived in Louisiana. One of Tammi's pages (I think myspace maybe) explains this as "he was turning them against me" (more or less a direct quote - I don't have the link). I'm not sure if there was more there (and she is writing a book, oy vey!) or not, but it sounds like she's claiming she willingly gave in to let him have custody - that just might NOT be the case.
Yep, her bio kids are from her first marriage. Plus one adopted.
Her cafemom blog post has some interesting background info. And then of course the fact that she almost died from a clogged colon.
Oh, such heartwarming stories! :dance:
Kamille
01-06-2010, 09:46 PM
You asking that question just put two and two together for me (along it's just a hunch) ... Tammi's ex husband got custody of their kids, they lived in Louisiana. One of Tammi's pages (I think myspace maybe) explains this as "he was turning them against me" (more or less a direct quote - I don't have the link). I'm not sure if there was more there (and she is writing a book, oy vey!) or not, but it sounds like she's claiming she willingly gave in to let him have custody - that just might NOT be the case.
Yes that background info she was sharing on the internet was quite interesting. Something tells me that TPS tells this story every chance she can get. She's getting ready to publish it in a book apparently. And since she's got a connection to San Antonio and admits to having been there to receive at least one of her "certifications", I would imagine she's told lots of people there about her sad story. And just maybe she met people who told her about that "underground" network for abused women who feared losing custody of their children?
jade78
01-06-2010, 09:53 PM
Yes that background info she was sharing on the internet was quite interesting. Something tells me that TPS tells this story every chance she can get. She's getting ready to publish it in a book apparently. And since she's got a connection to San Antonio and admits to having been there to receive at least one of her "certifications", I would imagine she's told lots of people there about her sad story. And just maybe she met people who told her about that "underground" network for abused women who feared losing custody of their children?
Seems a few of her friends also have visited San Antonio Texas.
Lots of adopted Familys if you will on her facebook and lots of young girls.:waitasec:
Ransom
01-06-2010, 09:53 PM
Where are EJ's parents?? It really bothers me that no one from her family is speaking
One of the first posts http://www.kens5.com/news/local/test-today-80458837.html
Johnson, who has a criminal record that does not include violence, will not cooperate with investigators, and neither will her family members, even though Johnson was facing a loss of custody. Her desperate moves have baffled authorities.
:(
I would but now I cant find her! I will continue to look and get back to you
FB search for "Tammi Peters Smith "
Although I got a little creeped out when I searched for Tammi Fay on there and got this
http://tinyurl.com/yeszfgu
Yes that background info she was sharing on the internet was quite interesting. Something tells me that TPS tells this story every chance she can get. She's getting ready to publish it in a book apparently. And since she's got a connection to San Antonio and admits to having been there to receive at least one of her "certifications", I would imagine she's told lots of people there about her sad story. And just maybe she met people who told her about that "underground" network for abused women who feared losing custody of their children?
Yeah .... probableee!! But I wonder what the other side of the story is. It would be interesting if she actually claimed she had been abused or her husband was abusive to the kids?
Kamille
01-06-2010, 10:08 PM
Yeah .... probableee!! But I wonder what the other side of the story is. It would be interesting if she actually claimed she had been abused or her husband was abusive to the kids?
She does claim he abused her. Wonder what he thinks about that? :waitasec:
Kamille
01-06-2010, 10:10 PM
This story was just posted about an hour ago. More lies or just irresponsible journalism?
FOX 10 talked to a Scottsdale couple who contacted Johnson when she was advertising her baby for adoption. They actually met with her, and Gabriel stayed with them for a week last month.
When we asked Jack Smith and his wife if they think Gabriel is okay, he said, "In my heart, I do. We saw the love of a mother in her eyes."
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/tempe/missing-baby-adoption-claims-1-6-2010
She does claim he abused her. Wonder what he thinks about that? :waitasec:
Tammi claims her ex abused her?
jade78
01-06-2010, 10:16 PM
googled the parks name plus adoption got this
http://www.olghelotes.org/attachments/163_Bull%20-%20Apr%2012,%202009.pdf
seems they picnic there and place kids for adoption.
Oh there is a Cheryl C in this doc.I know it is a usual name.
DairyGirl
01-06-2010, 10:19 PM
This story was just posted about an hour ago. More lies or just irresponsible journalism?
FOX 10 talked to a Scottsdale couple who contacted Johnson when she was advertising her baby for adoption. They actually met with her, and Gabriel stayed with them for a week last month.
When we asked Jack Smith and his wife if they think Gabriel is okay, he said, "In my heart, I do. We saw the love of a mother in her eyes."
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/tempe/missing-baby-adoption-claims-1-6-2010
I knew that story about meeting her in an airport was full of it. I am sure that they met on the internet and it had to do with TPS obsessive desire for a baby. If they lied about how they met, it proves that they are lying in the rest of their story. I can't wait until LE gets all the cell phone and internet records together and we find out the real story.
And, let's not forget this is probably another lie they told
But McQueary said he also was contacted by a couple interested in adopting Gabriel and was told if he wanted his son to have a safe home, he would sign adoption papers.
McQueary said he did not sign any papers, and police said investigators questioned the couple and currently do not plan to charge them.
The couple, Tammi and Jack Smith, said they had been working with Johnson and McQueary for the last seven months about adopting the child but would not reveal the details surrounding the adoption.
“Both of them supported the adoption, but for some reason, Logan got cold feet at the last minute,” Tammi Smith said.
Smith also said she spoke with Johnson, who called her from the jail on Tuesday, but she did not disclose the whereabouts of Gabriel.
McQueary also said Tuesday that he never spoke to the Smiths until Dec. 19, when he found out about them through a Child Protective Services report when Johnson was trying to file a complaint of abandonment, claiming McQueary had not seen the child for 30 days.
Johnson had apparently been talking to the Smiths about adopting Gabriel after they met her on a plane while she was coming back from Boston, according to McQueary.
“I never talked to them about any adoption,” McQueary said. “I had no clue. I told them there was no way in hell I’m giving up my son for adoption. I wanted my son. She was pretty secretive about it.”
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149100
googled the parks name plus adoption got this
http://www.olghelotes.org/attachments/163_Bull%20-%20Apr%2012,%202009.pdf
seems they picnic there and place kids for adoption.
How weird!
what about this?
01-06-2010, 10:23 PM
Nancy Grace do you read here? If so, word to ya... you're going to need a spatula to scrap all that egg off of your face when the truth comes out that TPS is behind this whole thing! jmo
I believe that she knows where he isl
iluvmua
01-06-2010, 10:30 PM
How much jail time will EJ get as of now?
pghbrandi
01-06-2010, 10:32 PM
I just think is very odd that she supposedly spent three days with "Cheryl" and her husband, yet doesn't know his name. I am sure on some occasion he introduced himself or at dinner time she called his name.
pghbrandi
01-06-2010, 10:33 PM
I agree, everyone has let that little guy down -- and I'm certainly not giving her a "pass"! Where are her PARENTS? She has a grandfather - but if all of this being-left-in-the-dirty-diapers and beating/hitting -- WHERE WAS EVERYBODY THEN?
You know, it is so sickening to think that right now, some little child is going through that and no one is doing a damned thing about it but talking.
But my point is - yes, this is horrible and was horrible and inexcusable - we need to find that little baby NOW -
and TPS is the orchestrator, I believe, of this whole thing. I believe she is selfish and manipulative and an opportunist -- maybe the thing to do is get EJ to see that TPS used her to get the baby -- and turn EJ against TPS!
If EJ thinks that TPS has used her, she may explode and then talk!
What do you think?
FB search for "Tammi Peters Smith "
Although I got a little creeped out when I searched for Tammi Fay on there and got this
http://tinyurl.com/yeszfgu
That was definitely creepy!!!
Kamille
01-06-2010, 10:34 PM
Tammi claims her ex abused her?
Yep. It's quite a story.
Kimberlyd125
01-06-2010, 10:37 PM
I just think is very odd that she supposedly spent three days with "Cheryl" and her husband, yet doesn't know his name. I am sure on some occasion he introduced himself or at dinner time she called his name.
IMO she did meet up with a couple in San Antonio, and this meeting was set up by the Smiths.
And, I can almost say with 100% certainty, the lady's name aint Cheryl. JMO
Yep. It's quite a story.
Oh, for cripe sake.... I'd be the first one to support anyone who was abused, but why am I thinking that is not the case here.
SusanB
01-06-2010, 10:47 PM
Wow, this whole story is so full of crap! The Smiths are so consistent with their inconsistencies. The time lines do not make sense, each interview TS reports different times/dates.
This woman is dangerous. NG was kind of making me sick with her pandering towards them, like they are the most caring and thoughtful people in the world. Like they are the only ones who cared for this poor little neglected boy.
Like she did with Bradley Lockhart.
At least she is now covering missing children instead of Tiger.
TS is soooooo full of ulterior motives - totally obvious. The "connections" they have in Texas are the ones that took that child in the park, to hide until TS can get her mits on him.
At least I actually hope so - the child would still be alive. Don't know, though, its getting a little scary that its been 10 days and no sign of the child.
I want NG to investigate better the folks she interviews on her show! Does she have any idea about TS and her history???
Logan should sue the Smiths for slander. They did not even know him or talked to him about alleged abuse or maltreatment. Yea, I know he has some kind of history, and that he admits. But he is the father, despite TS spewing out the mouth only what the psycho EJ told her.
She'll say anything to get that baby, and put media and others on her twisted side. She adores the attention.
The biggest clue to me is that TS is not upset or frantic about finding this child - showing that she knows where he is and that he is safe. Otherwise, she would be begging for "Cheryl" and "Mr. Cheryl" to please please bring the baby back.:yow:
pghbrandi
01-06-2010, 10:48 PM
I'm listening to the replay of NG. Someone just said, that even though she didn't want or love the baby, the baby loved her.
That is so true and that makes this so much more sad, and horrendous. Kids are so innocent and loving. I just keep picturing my children and how happy they are and innocent they are, especially at that age and it breaks my heart.
pinkfly
01-06-2010, 10:50 PM
Drama, Drama, Drama. These people are incredible. If I knew that Gabe was safe and sound I would have to laugh out loud about this. Soooo bizarre.
You guys amaze me with your super sleuthing.
I am praying so hard for Gabe. One moment I think he must be ok and then I read one more thing and am convinced that he is not ok.
SusanB... I agree Logan should sue them. One article reports they have been talking with him and Elizabeth for 7 months and in another they say they didn't really consider contacting him because Elizabeth said he was abusive. They know about Elizabeth's behavior yet they stand up on TV and say they saw the love in her eyes and support her - you know if they didn't Elizabeth would probably fess up with some stories about them.
Tammi is claiming that Logan was abusive although there is no evidence of it - and, it appears she has claimed her ex was abusive, yet she is on record, online, encouraging a high school girl to become a surrogate.
gitana1
01-06-2010, 10:52 PM
I just think is very odd that she supposedly spent three days with "Cheryl" and her husband, yet doesn't know his name. I am sure on some occasion he introduced himself or at dinner time she called his name.
That's probably because there is no Cheryl and her husband. I assume that everything from this woman's mouth is a lie. She either killed her child in revenge against Logan for whatever she feels he did or didn't do, or she arranged to sell him to TPS who then paid for her to "disappear". If so, now their house of cards is falling in on them.
I have met several people like EJ in the course of my business. She didn't really want her child but didn't want anyone else who had a rightful claim to Gabriel, to have him because that might make her look "bad". If both she and Logan appeared to agree jointly to give up the child, then they would look like responsible young people who had a child too young but now want to do the right thing. In her mind, if she gave custody to the father, she would look like a bad parent. Also, these types seem to have a resentment and/or hatred to those close to them. Her child is her property and no parent or boyfriend, who may have criticized her in the past, is going to have their criticisms confirmed with custody of her property. So, she'd rather give "that thing" as she calls him, to outsiders, or kill him so no one can have him. Just like casey anthony and melinda duckett. Real class acts.
I do not believe there is a vast, underground but easily accessible network of people trying to arrange illegal adoptions. There may be some, here and there, but it would be just too convenient that EJ would be able to find them and that such a couple is not the Smiths.
I also think that 99% of the population would call the police if a young troubled woman with an infant asked them to take her baby. They wouldn't take her in off the street like that. So, I completely disbelieve any sotry about some random couple taking her child. IT's nonsense. It never happened.
But, someone paid for this monster to travel across the country. I hope LE is vigorously investigating the smiths. Poor baby Gabriel.
gitana1
01-06-2010, 11:05 PM
Oh, for cripe sake.... I'd be the first one to support anyone who was abused, but why am I thinking that is not the case here.
Because we talented sleuthers can sniff out a malingerer with a great deal of accuracy. She is an attention wh*re. She is a collector of children. She cares for no one, I'll bet, but herself. Similar personality type to one with a Munchausen's type disorder.
She likes the attention that comes with being a person on the boards desperately seeking a child. I'd bet she loves the whole process of "seeking" a child, the struggle, sharing her "pain", etc.
She likes the attention of being a heroic rescuer of unwanted children , like her adopted daughter, like the child she referred to named Salina, like baby Gabriel.
She likes the attention of being a new mother. She has a huge hole to fill due to the loss of her natural children, or perhaps, she seeks to prove that she is a good mother, by obtaining more kids, so she can shake off the shame of having custody taken away of her own kids. "See? People give ME their children! I'm not a bad mother! You were wrong to take my kids away!"
Hey, for all I know, her ex was a bast*rd who fought dirty to get custody and who then hid the kids from her for a year. Maybe he really was a diabolical creep who abused her and then psychologically abused the kids when she found them again and tried to enforce her visitation rights, until she was forced to "give them up." I don't know, but my instinct says it's nonsense. If her story was correct, she didn't have to legally relinquish custody to spare them the trauma of being browbeaten for showing love and happiness at seeing their mom. She could have just forgone visitation, although most moms would fight like hell and never give up their children!
Anyhow, if she is telling the truth, maybe she is psychologically damaged, hence, her obsession with kid collecting.
Still, I doubt her story. I think something is very wrong with her and her husband. Hinky meter at 100%.
iluvmua
01-06-2010, 11:05 PM
That's probably because there is no Cheryl and her husband. I assume that everything from this woman's mouth is a lie. She either killed her child in revenge against Logan for whatever she feels he did or didn't do, or she arranged to sell him to TPS who then paid for her to "disappear". If so, now their house of cards is falling in on them.
I have met several people like EJ in the course of my business. She didn't really want her child but didn't want anyone else who had a rightful claim to Gabriel, to have him because that might make her look "bad". If both she and Logan appeared to agree jointly to give up the child, then they would look like responsible young people who had a child too young but now want to do the right thing. In her mind, if she gave custody to the father, she would look like a bad parent. Also, these types seem to have a resentment and/or hatred to those close to them. Her child is her property and no parent or boyfriend, who may have criticized her in the past, is going to have their criticisms confirmed with custody of her property. So, she'd rather give "that thing" as she calls him, to outsiders, or kill him so no one can have him. Just like casey anthony and melinda duckett. Real class acts.
I do not believe there is a vast, underground but easily accessible network of people trying to arrange illegal adoptions. There may be some, here and there, but it would be just too convenient that EJ would be able to find them and that such a couple is not the Smiths.
I also think that 99% of the population would call the police if a young troubled woman with an infant asked them to take her baby. They wouldn't take her in off the street like that. So, I completely disbelieve any sotry about some random couple taking her child. IT's nonsense. It never happened.
But, someone paid for this monster to travel across the country. I hope LE is vigorously investigating the smiths. Poor baby Gabriel.
Yep, I agree
Maybe she does not want the Smiths to have Gabe either.
per NG, Tammi said that EJ sold her two yorkies for $500 each and then rented out her room for $400.
Sadly, I don't think he is alive anymore
not_my_kids
01-06-2010, 11:07 PM
I am going to ramble and then go away to cool off.
Semi-rant warning---
Jack says, we just learned yesterday about the name of the park...we knew that from published media, what, 3 days ago? That means they aren't following the news. The lovely woman and man that pinned their hopes and dreams, sleep two hours a night, and haven't stopped worrying since he went missing...aren't following the news? That's a little odd.
And come on TPS, his name is not "the baby", nor is it "that baby"...his name is Gabriel, and he is not a commodity.
As for EJ, I will temporarily restrain myself...I still want to be here tomorrow.
ETA: And if I hear one more work about underground groups or "contacts" or "sources"....so help me...
gitana1
01-06-2010, 11:11 PM
Wow, this whole story is so full of crap! The Smiths are so consistent with their inconsistencies.
The biggest clue to me is that TS is not upset or frantic about finding this child - showing that she knows where he is and that he is safe. Otherwise, she would be begging for "Cheryl" and "Mr. Cheryl" to please please bring the baby back.:yow:
Respectfully snipped for space!
I agree that this is about attention for TPS. However, I don't think her lack of concern is a guarantee that she knows the child is safe. I'm on the fence. I say that because I have doubt that she actually loves children. I think she is a collector. They are trophies to her. They prove she is a "good mother" or a heroic person.
gitana1 .... earlier I had the same thought about this being similar to Munchausen's type disorder
LogicalMinds
01-06-2010, 11:23 PM
OMG...
just today I was thinking that TPS reminds me so much of the infamous Kathy Bush..
who we heard and saw a lot on TV here in South Florida (yes another crazy Florida case, this one about 10 years ago)
Kathy Bush had a "sick" daughter and was on tv various times...her child had many operations....she was a "poster child" and she (and Mama Kathy) even met with then President Clinton
then Kathy was found to have staged it all...poisoned her healthy child, convinced docs to do umpteen operations...she went to prison for "Munchauesen by Proxy" syndrome
http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/columns/Fritsche/Munchausen_by_Proxy.html
at any rate...just this afternoon I was reminded of Kathy so much when I saw that video of TPS....Kathy beamed when her daughter was having an operation...she was so smiling and happy to be on camera....she was even primping for cameras during her various trials/arrest etc
I have not even thought of Kathy Bush in years but I googled her name cause it so reminded me of TPS....this is spooky
ATWC66
01-06-2010, 11:32 PM
Thank you all for the updates. Great work.
FB search for "Tammi Peters Smith "
Although I got a little creeped out when I searched for Tammi Fay on there and got this
http://tinyurl.com/yeszfgu
I'm sorry, but i have to ask now, why is this link creepy? Should I have I have been logged in to notice its creepiness? I did recognize the girl with the bright blue eyes .jpeg.
gitana1
01-06-2010, 11:33 PM
OMG...
just today I was thinking that TPS reminds me so much of the infamous Kathy Bush..
who we heard and saw a lot on TV here in South Florida (yes another crazy Florida case, this one about 10 years ago)
Kathy Bush had a "sick" daughter and was on tv various times...her child had many operations....she was a "poster child" and she (and Mama Kathy) even met with then President Clinton
then Kathy was found to have staged it all...poisoned her healthy child, convinced docs to do umpteen operations...she went to prison for "Munchauesen by Proxy" syndrome
http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/columns/Fritsche/Munchausen_by_Proxy.html
at any rate...just this afternoon I was reminded of Kathy so much when I saw that video of TPS....Kathy beamed when her daughter was having an operation...she was so smiling and happy to be on camera....she was even primping for cameras during her various trials/arrest etc
I have not even thought of Kathy Bush in years but I googled her name cause it so reminded me of TPS....this is spooky
Boy, I'll never forget that case. I wonder what happened to the little girl.
I know she was adopted out or in foster care and did not want to talk to her mom, but she must be grown by now, poor thing.
SusanB
01-06-2010, 11:34 PM
Because we talented sleuthers can sniff out a malingerer with a great deal of accuracy. She is an attention wh*re. She is a collector of children. She cares for no one, I'll bet, but herself. Similar personality type to one with a Munchausen's type disorder.
She likes the attention that comes with being a person on the boards desperately seeking a child. I'd bet she loves the whole process of "seeking" a child, the struggle, sharing her "pain", etc.
She likes the attention of being a heroic rescuer of unwanted children , like her adopted daughter, like the child she referred to named Salina, like baby Gabriel.
She likes the attention of being a new mother. She has a huge hole to fill due to the loss of her natural children, or perhaps, she seeks to prove that she is a good mother, by obtaining more kids, so she can shake off the shame of having custody taken away of her own kids. "See? People give ME their children! I'm not a bad mother! You were wrong to take my kids away!"
Hey, for all I know, her ex was a bast*rd who fought dirty to get custody and who then hid the kids from her for a year. Maybe he really was a diabolical creep who abused her and then psychologically abused the kids when she found them again and tried to enforce her visitation rights, until she was forced to "give them up." I don't know, but my instinct says it's nonsense. If her story was correct, she didn't have to legally relinquish custody to spare them the trauma of being browbeaten for showing love and happiness at seeing their mom. She could have just forgone visitation, although most moms would fight like hell and never give up their children!
Anyhow, if she is telling the truth, maybe she is psychologically damaged, hence, her obsession with kid collecting.
Still, I doubt her story. I think something is very wrong with her and her husband. Hinky meter at 100%.
Awesome evaluation, git. I totally agree. These people are so FOS. The Smiths, "Cheryl", Elizabeth. The only one I trust, believe it or not, is the so-called abusive baby's father. He seems to be the only genuine one here - and he has a criminal record!
I think TS and JS are behind all the moves, and that they paid EJ to hit the road. They are probably glad she is behind bars! Better to have Gabriel - get the mother out of the way. EJ was probably so dumb she did not realize what she did requires a stay at in the female ward of county jail.
I am struggling with my gut feelings. On one hand, I just can't think that EJ would actually kill her baby to get back at the boyfriend. But it's getting tight with the child gone for 10 days with no sign of him being anywhere. I hope that he is alive, with another "underground" couple arranged by the Smiths. They must realize, though, how much trouble they will be in eventually if that is the case. They will ALL be in hot water - you just can't propagate trafficking human babies. EJ should serve a lot of time as well, even if she is mentally ill.
Hinky meter on all accounts in full force.:innocent:
pghbrandi
01-06-2010, 11:35 PM
[QUOTE=ATWC66;4646973]Thank you all for the updates. Great work.
I'm sorry, but i have to ask now, why is this link creepy? Should I have I have been logged in to notice its creepiness? I did recognize the girl with the bright blue eyes .jpeg.[/QUOTE
I think( and I am not speaking for others) because it's a baby making a sshhh gesture. Like don't tell anyone...
To me it's creepy because of the case and all that TPS posts about wanting babies and preying on girls and their kids.
LogicalMinds
01-06-2010, 11:39 PM
Well I for one am not calling the mother dumb, nor do I give a rat's behind if she has mental problems or ate too many twinkies
People like TPS (and Susan Baker) can only work their nasty games with willing (unfit) mothers who for whatever reason want to get rid of their baby
and I agree with Gitana....they don't want to give up the baby for adoption the normal way, they want the drama, they want to seem like a "good" mom whose baby is missing (like the case in Florida) or in this case it seems Elizabeth wants to "hurt" the father
Elizabeth abused that baby from the start...and I don't have much sympathy for the dad either....he saw the baby with dirty diapers, he saw the things she did and said...
he should have called the cops on this abusive violent jerk
LogicalMinds
01-06-2010, 11:43 PM
Gitana....the heartbreaking thing is that when she was 18 the daughter wanted to re-connect with Kathy...
here is the link
I have not heard much about them since then
I never "met" Kathy Bush but I did see a lot of posters and events for her daughter around town...and she was on TV a lot (before and after her arrest)
in fact I guess she is one of the reasons the media down here will "oversee' fundraising and donations and NOT promote family fundraising efforts
(for instance Channel 4 is handling the fundraising for Michael Brewer)
here is the link about Kathy's daughter
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/22/State/_Munchausen__victim_m.shtml
I tear up when I think of this and that little Gabriel "loved' his mommy and smiled at her
when she was nothing but an abuser to him from the time he was born
grrrrrrrrr
Has this been posted?
Missing Baby Gabriel had Been Sought For Adoption by Predatory Vultures
http://familypreservation.blogspot.com/search/label/Tammi%20Peters%20Smith
pghbrandi
01-06-2010, 11:46 PM
Logical, I tear up as well about that. It is killing me. I know I felt awful during midnight feedings when I'd wake up and then my baby would be all smiles like all was right in the world. How could you be angry at that??? I just don't get some people.
To me, my kids smiles are the best mood boosters in the world!
Has this been posted?
Missing Baby Gabriel had Been Sought For Adoption by Predatory Vultures
http://familypreservation.blogspot.com/search/label/Tammi%20Peters%20Smith
Great find!
Thank you all for the updates. Great work.
I'm sorry, but i have to ask now, why is this link creepy? Should I have I have been logged in to notice its creepiness? I did recognize the girl with the bright blue eyes .jpeg.
The symbology for one - the child holding up the hand like to keep quiet or keep a secret. It startled me because at first glance that child looks a lot like Gabriel (to me anyway) - I went and rechecked his picture about 2-3 times. The FB pic is beautiful but also a bit haunting.
LogicalMinds
01-06-2010, 11:55 PM
Well...JMO...that is just a blog that is to "preserve the original family" ..
while I certainly applaud their effort to stop black market adoptions I think they may
go too far cause the truth is that there are a lot of "families" we see in these "cases" that should not be "preserved"
I don't want to lose focus on the biomom...
she began threats to Gabriel when he was 3 weeks old
pghbrandi
01-06-2010, 11:56 PM
Time, you said that SO much better than I did. lol. Thanks!
not_my_kids
01-06-2010, 11:57 PM
The symbology for one - the child holding up the hand like to keep quiet or keep a secret. It startled me because at first glance that child looks a lot like Gabriel (to me anyway) - I went and rechecked his picture about 2-3 times. The FB pic is beautiful but also a bit haunting.
That picture is everywhere in the public domain, has been for years. I have the same one on my Myspace.
mysticrose
01-07-2010, 12:06 AM
I am gathering statements hopefully in order from statements made from the Smiths or statements made from others in regards to their dealings with them, please feel free to add to these if you want to. I think alot of what they have said is on video:
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Now, another Valley woman is also speaking out, saying Johnson absconded with her son to protect him from his father.
"She's completely innocent," said Tammi Fay Smith, who wanted to adopt Gabriel. "She loves that baby, and just wants to find a good home for that baby. As a mother, I commend her."
McQueary said Johson had been pushing him to sign adoption papers granting Smith custody of Gabriel, and that after the baby disappeared, Smith approached him with similar requests.
"When Gabriel dissapeared, they said basically, 'if you really care about your son and you want him back, and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, that you'll sign the paperwork and then she'll bring him back to us, and you'll know he's safe,'" said McQueary. "I said, 'no, I'm not signing any paperwork.'"
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-PD-Moms-car-found-baby-missing-for-over-a/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx
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Posted on January 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM
A family with the last name of Smith has come forward claiming Elizabeth had already contacted them about adopting Gabriel. They said they agreed. They've even shown the paperwork that they signed along with Elizabeth. But McQueary refused to sign, and soon after was when Elizabeth took off.
The Smith family has come forward claiming Elizabeth was afraid of McQueary. The Smiths claim that McQueary was the one who threatened to hurt Elizabeth and Gabriel. They also claim that Elizabeth is willing to go to jail in order to protect her son.
http://www.kens5.com/news/Police-continue-to-search-for-missing-baby-two-different-stories-emerge-80675672.html
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Jan. 5, 2010 12:00 AM
In front of a panel of reporters and with his father, Frank, by his side, McQueary said he had been approached by the prospective parents, begging him to sign paperwork and insisting Johnson wouldn't come back until he did.
McQueary again refused.
The couple hoping to adopt are not speaking to police, and investigators have searched their home to be sure the child wasn't with them, said Sgt. Steve Carbajal, a Tempe police spokesman
http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/01/04/20100104tr-missingbaby0106.html
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POSTED: 10:22 pm MST January 4, 2010
UPDATED: 5:07 am MST January 5, 2010
They say they didn't involve the father, Logan McQueary in the adoption procedures because Elizabeth Johnson told them he was abusive.
"As soon as she got away from Logan and we had the baby, and he was not a part of her life, all of the sudden she had a bright cheery attitude about herself," said Tammi Smith.
But at an emotional press conference Monday, McQueary told CBS5 that after Gabriel disappeared, the Smiths tried to strong-arm him into giving up his child.
"When Gabriel disappeared, they said to me basically if you really care about your son and you want him back and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, than you'll sign the paperwork and she'll bring him back," said Logan McQueary.
The Smiths said they were only passing along the messages they were getting from Elizabeth. They also say they are cooperating fully with the investigation and no longer believe the adoption is possible.
"Now the father is so deeply into this that his ego would never allow him to sign papers," said Smith
But they still may have a role to play. The Smiths believe Elizabeth Johnson will tell them Gabriel's location Tuesday.
"She wants to talk to me tomorrow at 2 o'clock to see if I will help her with attorneys to gain custody of Gabriel. If she hurt the baby, I don't think she would be trying to get custody," Tammi Smith said.
http://www.kpho.com/news/22125969/detail.html
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January 4, 2010 - 3:24PM , updated: January 5, 2010 - 8:06PM
The couple, Tammi and Jack Smith, said they had been working with Johnson and McQueary for the last seven months about adopting the child but would not reveal the details surrounding the adoption.
“Both of them supported the adoption, but for some reason, Logan got cold feet at the last minute,” Tammi Smith said.
Smith also said she spoke with Johnson, who called her from the jail on Tuesday, but she did not disclose the whereabouts of Gabriel.
McQueary also said Tuesday that he never spoke to the Smiths until Dec. 19, when he found out about them through a Child Protective Services report when Johnson was trying to file a complaint of abandonment, claiming McQueary had not seen the child for 30 days.
Johnson had apparently been talking to the Smiths about adopting Gabriel after they met her on a plane while she was coming back from Boston, according to McQueary.
“I never talked to them about any adoption,” McQueary said. “I had no clue. I told them there was no way in hell I’m giving up my son for adoption. I wanted my son. She was pretty secretive about it.”
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149100
pghbrandi
01-07-2010, 12:11 AM
I don't know how to snip a post that's why I didn't for this. Sorry.
I believe that TPS knows where Gabe is. I believe Gabe is alive.( I have to believe this!)
Why else would they tell LM if he signs the papers Gabe will be brought back. They are behind this. Not so certain about Jack, but definitely TPS.
Amster
01-07-2010, 12:28 AM
Was momster arrested for the apt. trashing incident??
mysticrose
01-07-2010, 12:30 AM
You all have probally already figured this out but lol it is a light bulb moment for me. So EJ texted Logan on Dec 27th telling him she had killed the baby.:
Johnson was arrested Dec. 30 at a Miami hospital. It was unclear why she was there. She was without her son, who was last seen Dec. 26 in San Antonio. The next day, she sent the baby's father, Logan McQueary, 25, a text message, telling him she had killed the baby.
That's when he went to the police.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/01/07/20100107johnson0107.html
mysticrose
01-07-2010, 12:33 AM
Has anyone seen a reward offered for Gabe ?
pghbrandi
01-07-2010, 12:34 AM
You all have probally already figured this out but lol it is a light bulb moment for me. So EJ texted Logan on Dec 27th telling him she had killed the baby.:
Johnson was arrested Dec. 30 at a Miami hospital. It was unclear why she was there. She was without her son, who was last seen Dec. 26 in San Antonio. The next day, she sent the baby's father, Logan McQueary, 25, a text message
, telling him she had killed the baby.
That's when he went to the police.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/01/07/20100107johnson0107.html
Oh a hospital??? This whole time I thought it was a hostel. I need to get my eyes checked!
Well...JMO...that is just a blog that is to "preserve the original family" ..
while I certainly applaud their effort to stop black market adoptions I think they may
go too far cause the truth is that there are a lot of "families" we see in these "cases" that should not be "preserved"
I don't want to lose focus on the biomom...
she began threats to Gabriel when he was 3 weeks old
Yeah, I have to agree with you a bit on this... I had the same thoughts. But then again, I'm not so well versed as I should be in child trafficking and such. It's interesting to think about both sides - I'm not quite sure what I myself would say is best to promote globally because it all depends on the independent cases and context. That being said, I can see the danger when there are child traffickers out there and not much has been done about it.
Oh a hospital??? This whole time I thought it was a hostel. I need to get my eyes checked!
Geez, me too. What was she doing at a hospital?
mysticrose
01-07-2010, 12:37 AM
Oh a hospital??? This whole time I thought it was a hostel. I need to get my eyes checked!
LOL I think the reporter messed up ... I did not even notice. It is my understanding it was a Hostel as well and I believe that is were she was arrested at a Hostel. lol
Thanks for the comments on the baby with the finger to it's mouth - I hadn't ever seen it before.
not_my_kids
01-07-2010, 12:39 AM
She was arrested at a hostel, I am 100% sure of this, unless the other 50 media sources are wrong.
Remember this is the same media that talks about baby Gabrielle and how they found his car...
(Those are just two of the headline flubs over the past couple days.)
In short, I have no idea what to believe, but I am going with hostel.
pghbrandi
01-07-2010, 12:39 AM
LOL I think the reporter messed up ... I did not even notice. It is my understanding it was a Hostel as well and I believe that is were she was arrested a Hostel. lol
LOL. Ok, then we all need our eyes checked or better reporters! I'll go with the second!
Amster
01-07-2010, 12:46 AM
The thing about her selling her dogs and renting out her room....what room?? Where was she living?? With gramps??
pghbrandi
01-07-2010, 12:47 AM
The thing about her selling her dogs and renting out her room....what room?? Where was she living?? With gramps??
I thought she had an apartment with LM. Who knows with her though.
DairyGirl
01-07-2010, 12:51 AM
The thing about her selling her dogs and renting out her room....what room?? Where was she living?? With gramps??
I thought she had been living with the baby's father until 12/8/09 when she gave the baby to the Smiths. I have no idea where she lived after that but wherever it was I don't know how she could get a room and them immediately rent it out to another person for $400.
not_my_kids
01-07-2010, 12:54 AM
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/tempe/missing-baby-adoption-claims-1-6-2010
FOX 10 talked to a Scottsdale couple who contacted Johnson when she was advertising her baby for adoption. They actually met with her, and Gabriel stayed with them for a week last month.
BBM.
At the airport...where she was advertising...
DairyGirl
01-07-2010, 01:00 AM
What did this woman do, put an ad on Craigslist saying she had a baby for adoption? Why are the Smiths lying about how they met her? It is obvious that they have been sending out feelers for a baby for a while, the web is full of their messages about looking to adopt or foster a baby. One of the things that bothers me is in the interview that EJ did from the jail she talks about how she was given so much praise for "doing the right thing" and giving the baby to a loving home and now all the sudden she was being villified for handing him over to strangers. I think the only people that were giving her praise were the Smiths. The brainwashed this negligent mother into thinking she was wonderful for giving him up, instead of the truth that she just didn't want to deal with him. She really sounds shocked that people are questioning her "brave" decision.
CHICANA
01-07-2010, 01:20 AM
Well...JMO...that is just a blog that is to "preserve the original family" ..
while I certainly applaud their effort to stop black market adoptions I think they may
go too far cause the truth is that there are a lot of "families" we see in these "cases" that should not be "preserved"
I don't want to lose focus on the biomom...
she began threats to Gabriel when he was 3 weeks old
A little O/T - but interesting. While looking around on the Family Preservation link/blog that was posted, I found some court rulings regarding parent's constitutional rights.
http://familypreservation.blogspot.com/2010/01/right-to-adopt.html
not_my_kids
01-07-2010, 01:27 AM
Grandfather Of Elizabeth Johnson Thinks She's Lying
Bob Johnson Still Believes Gabriel Is Alive
http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html
Maternal Grandfather (Elizabeths)
Finally we hear something from her family, and a little about her personality.
~from link~
He says moving in and out of five foster homes as a child made her that way. But he said the straight "A" student also developed an irrational temper that led to bouts of rage.
"She should have sought professional help. She did seek help for post partum depression and she was on medication and during that time she seemed a lot more mellow and everything was better," Bob Johnson said.
But she stopped taking that medication shortly before she hopped in Bob's car with 8-month-old Gabriel and headed to Texas
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/tempe/missing-baby-adoption-claims-1-6-2010
FOX 10 talked to a Scottsdale couple who contacted Johnson when she was advertising her baby for adoption. They actually met with her, and Gabriel stayed with them for a week last month.
BBM.
At the airport...where she was advertising...
Another conflicting factoid ... maybe Elizabeth met Tammi online
Well...JMO...that is just a blog that is to "preserve the original family" ..
while I certainly applaud their effort to stop black market adoptions I think they may
go too far cause the truth is that there are a lot of "families" we see in these "cases" that should not be "preserved"
I don't want to lose focus on the biomom...
she began threats to Gabriel when he was 3 weeks old
I agree that Elizabeth was probably a threat to him and didn't want him maybe - but that doesn't mean the father's right to be a parent doesn't exist. In this case, I think the headline is correct - Tammi is a probably a predator and she obviously tried to bypass the father's right to his own child. That's horrible as I see it.
eeyorelrn
01-07-2010, 01:57 AM
NG did it because "we're not here to vilify anyone"
:banghead:
Nancy doesn't watch her own show very much does she? :waitasec:
CHICANA
01-07-2010, 02:03 AM
I'm just now watching Tammi on NG. Now she's only known EJ for 3 or 4 weeks ??? This woman can't keep her story straight.
DairyGirl
01-07-2010, 02:10 AM
Grandfather Of Elizabeth Johnson Thinks She's Lying
Bob Johnson Still Believes Gabriel Is Alive
http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html
Maternal Grandfather (Elizabeths)
Finally we hear something from her family, and a little about her personality.
~from link~
He says moving in and out of five foster homes as a child made her that way. But he said the straight "A" student also developed an irrational temper that led to bouts of rage.
"She should have sought professional help. She did seek help for post partum depression and she was on medication and during that time she seemed a lot more mellow and everything was better," Bob Johnson said.
But she stopped taking that medication shortly before she hopped in Bob's car with 8-month-old Gabriel and headed to Texas
It's pretty bad when your own grandfather thinks you are capable of harming your child.
eeyorelrn
01-07-2010, 02:17 AM
Are we sure that the FB page posted is TPS? When I went to the page, the only thing that is showing up are a bunch of notices for scores and prized on games.
Originally Posted by time
FB search for "Tammi Peters Smith "
Although I got a little creeped out when I searched for Tammi Fay on there and got this
http://tinyurl.com/yeszfgu
ATWC66
01-07-2010, 05:22 AM
[QUOTE=ATWC66;4646973]Thank you all for the updates. Great work.
I'm sorry, but i have to ask now, why is this link creepy? Should I have I have been logged in to notice its creepiness? I did recognize the girl with the bright blue eyes .jpeg.[/QUOTE
I think( and I am not speaking for others) because it's a baby making a sshhh gesture. Like don't tell anyone...
To me it's creepy because of the case and all that TPS posts about wanting babies and preying on girls and their kids.
Ooooh, okay. Thank you for helping me out with this one. ;)
BeanE
01-07-2010, 06:26 AM
What did this woman do, put an ad on Craigslist saying she had a baby for adoption? Why are the Smiths lying about how they met her? It is obvious that they have been sending out feelers for a baby for a while, the web is full of their messages about looking to adopt or foster a baby. One of the things that bothers me is in the interview that EJ did from the jail she talks about how she was given so much praise for "doing the right thing" and giving the baby to a loving home and now all the sudden she was being villified for handing him over to strangers. I think the only people that were giving her praise were the Smiths. The brainwashed this negligent mother into thinking she was wonderful for giving him up, instead of the truth that she just didn't want to deal with him. She really sounds shocked that people are questioning her "brave" decision.
Hmmmm... Craigslist... has anybody perused the listings on there? I understand babies for sale are listed as Disney toys. This info surfaced in Shaniya's case.
I'm off to look at Craigslist ads...
BeanE
01-07-2010, 06:33 AM
Grandfather Of Elizabeth Johnson Thinks She's Lying
Bob Johnson Still Believes Gabriel Is Alive
http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html
Maternal Grandfather (Elizabeths)
Finally we hear something from her family, and a little about her personality.
~from link~
He says moving in and out of five foster homes as a child made her that way. But he said the straight "A" student also developed an irrational temper that led to bouts of rage.
"She should have sought professional help. She did seek help for post partum depression and she was on medication and during that time she seemed a lot more mellow and everything was better," Bob Johnson said.
But she stopped taking that medication shortly before she hopped in Bob's car with 8-month-old Gabriel and headed to Texas
Okay I was at about 80% sure Elizabeth killed Gabriel. Now I'm at 98%.
God please help LE find this baby, whatever has happened to him.
Question: can LE do searches, e.g., landfill searches, without the public knowing? Anybody know of a case where LE searched landfills and asked the media not to publicize it?
Do we have any WSers in the San Antonio area willing/able to take a ride out to the landfills and see if LE's there searching?
BeanE
01-07-2010, 06:40 AM
Full raw interview of Elizabeth at the jail by the news station (video link with audio only):
http://www.kpho.com/video/22155911/index.html
Omfg she sounds just like Casey. Well... except that Eliz is articulate and well spoken.
This interview is unbelievable. Tammi is also talking with Elizabeth as well as the reporter.
I'm going to put Craigslist on hold for now, and work instead on transcribing this interview. Unbefrigginlievable.
(BeanE is using the F word a lot this morning :-) )
ETA: I'm dying here. You all have GOT to listen to this interview. What a way to start my day. I already had to take extra blood pressure meds.
BeanE
01-07-2010, 07:07 AM
Okay, that's it. After listening to that interview, reading what the grandfather said, and with all the other info from the Smiths, I'm at 100%. She killed him.
I'm not an expert, but MOO is that she's most definitely personality disordered, most probably sociopathic, and I think she may be having a psychotic episode or close to it.
I say psychotic because whereas she's not having hallucinations or delusions such as aliens or demons after her (or not admitting to them), and she is oriented to reality in terms of knowing where is physically (she knows she's in jail, she knows she's been talking to the FBI, she recognizes Tammi, she remembers her dealings with Tammi), she is not connected to reality in terms of recognizing the gravity of her situation, or the gravity of the implications for Gabriel.
It could maybe not be psychosis at all, but just sociopathy, i.e., she doesn't see anything wrong with what she did, and doesn't care about Gabriel therefore doesn't even think about the gravity for him.
Actually, now that I've typed this LOL I'm going with sociopathy. It's hard for me to say psychotic when someone isn't hallucinating or having delusions such as demons or aliens or thinking they're the Pope. *Could* still be a psychotic break, but this one definitely will take a psychiatrist to determine.
BeanE
01-07-2010, 07:22 AM
From the grandfather:
"If she didn't want you to know something, you ain't gonna find out," Johnson said.
He said moving in and out of five foster homes as a child made her that way. But he said the straight "A" student also developed an irrational temper that led to bouts of rage.
"She should have sought professional help. She did seek help for post partum depression and she was on medication and during that time she seemed a lot more mellow and everything was better," Bob Johnson said.
But she stopped taking that medication shortly before she hopped in Bob Johnson's car with 8-month-old Gabriel and headed to Texas.
"She had this cockamamie idea that she was going to change her Social Security number and name and his Social Security number and name and run forever," Bob Johnson said.
But her grandfather doesn't buy it. He tried to envision her scenario.
'Oh by the way, how would you like to have a baby, oh it's free, yeah it's free,' Bob Johnson said. "That's hard. That's hard to really believe, but it's a simple story. It's a story that you can repeat without stumbling."
He thinks she gave Gabriel to a family in Texas, and is lying now so the boy will never be found. But she has threatened to harm the child, and Bob Johnson wonders if her past and her struggles with self control eventually got the best of her.
"It's possible that in a moment of anger, depression, whatever, that she carried out her threat. I don't even want to think about it because, what a waste. What a waste," said Bob Johnson.
http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html
jade78
01-07-2010, 07:49 AM
From the grandfather:
http://www.kpho.com/news/22168065/detail.html
While researching on Babybrokers,I can say they promise these young girls things that we know can never happen.
One thing I know from this is they do tell these girls they can get new social security number and start a NEW LIFE.
Gabriel is alive somewhere,his mother did not kill him but she has been duped by a band of baby sellers who took advantage of her mental state.
jamiect
01-07-2010, 08:05 AM
The Today Show -Interview with Logan
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34745448#34745448
momtective
01-07-2010, 08:26 AM
NG Transcript
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/06/ng.01.html
momtective
01-07-2010, 08:36 AM
Okay, I need more than coffee this morning! From Today Show....now it's Indianapolis where Tammi met EJ...and she placed the baby with them 7 months ago! This is ridiculous!
momtective
01-07-2010, 08:37 AM
LE saying they have information that Gabriel is alive! Not releasing that info right now.
Kamille
01-07-2010, 08:45 AM
Okay, that's it. After listening to that interview, reading what the grandfather said, and with all the other info from the Smiths, I'm at 100%. She killed him.
I'm not an expert, but MOO is that she's most definitely personality disordered, most probably sociopathic, and I think she may be having a psychotic episode or close to it.
I say psychotic because whereas she's not having hallucinations or delusions such as aliens or demons after her (or not admitting to them), and she is oriented to reality in terms of knowing where is physically (she knows she's in jail, she knows she's been talking to the FBI, she recognizes Tammi, she remembers her dealings with Tammi), she is not connected to reality in terms of recognizing the gravity of her situation, or the gravity of the implications for Gabriel.
It could maybe not be psychosis at all, but just sociopathy, i.e., she doesn't see anything wrong with what she did, and doesn't care about Gabriel therefore doesn't even think about the gravity for him.
Actually, now that I've typed this LOL I'm going with sociopathy. It's hard for me to say psychotic when someone isn't hallucinating or having delusions such as demons or aliens or thinking they're the Pope. *Could* still be a psychotic break, but this one definitely will take a psychiatrist to determine.
I have to say that after listening to that interview, I'm starting to waiver about whether he is alive too. The Smiths did seem to try to direct the conversation about their involvement in this right up until she took off but they both do seem to try to make her understand that she might spend the rest of her life in jail on murder charges if she doesn't give LE more information about who she supposedly left the child with. Since she does seem to be a little unstable, would they have that kind of confidence in her not to tell LE that this was all set up and planned?
The Smiths seem to be trying to distance themselves from their role in their attempts to get custody of Gabriel by directing EJ about questions as to how they met and why she wanted to keep Gabriel from his father but I'm not so sure now that they know what she's done with him.
Then again they both do seem to talk like people who know a lot about adoption, guardian and custody issues and I found it very odd when Jack said something about people possibly "keeping him in seclusion" until he was "past a certain age and could filter back into the system". Who talks like that?
Kimberlyd125
01-07-2010, 08:47 AM
LE saying they have information that Gabriel is alive! Not releasing that info right now.
I hope and pray LEs info is correct!!!!
If they have info that he is alive, maybe they are closer to finding him.
not_my_kids
01-07-2010, 08:47 AM
Okay I was at about 80% sure Elizabeth killed Gabriel. Now I'm at 98%.
God please help LE find this baby, whatever has happened to him.
Question: can LE do searches, e.g., landfill searches, without the public knowing? Anybody know of a case where LE searched landfills and asked the media not to publicize it?
Do we have any WSers in the San Antonio area willing/able to take a ride out to the landfills and see if LE's there searching?
BBM
Actually, it's done in so many csses that the media is sick of it and don't really cover it anymore. On the fip side of that, it's entirely possible that they have already done their cursory search of the dumps, but the risk to dogs and searchers is hugs, so it's usually a surface exam only.
Kamille
01-07-2010, 08:49 AM
The Today Show -Interview with Logan
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34745448#34745448
He looks like a wreck. Imagine all the stuff that's coming out in this and him just hearing about most of it for the first time. It's got to be killing him that if he knew, he could have prevented it. I'm sure he's going back on everything that did happen between them since Gabriel's birth and wishing he had dealt with it all differently.
not_my_kids
01-07-2010, 08:51 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/07/earlyshow/main6066961.shtml
On "The Early Show" Thursday, Tempe police Sgt. Steven Carbajal told co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez, "We have some indications that Gabriel is still alive. ... We're optimistic Gabriel is alive, and we're doing everything wee can to return Gabriel safely to his father."
He stressed that Tempe courts have named McQueary as Gabriel's custodial father. Calling McQueary a "loving father," Carbajal added, "There's no doubt in my mind that Gabriel would be very well off with Logan and his family."
McQueary told Rodriguez, "I'm really sad. I want to find Gabriel. I want to get any help we could get out there. I'm hoping he's with some people who don't know anything about this and ... if they're worried about getting in trouble, just take him to a fire station, a hospital, anywhere."
He said he thinks Johnson is capable of hurting Gabriel, but doesn't think she did.
"I want to give Gabriel a good life, make him part of the family. (Johnson) never seemed like she really cared much about him."
not_my_kids
01-07-2010, 08:55 AM
Oh, yeah, I called a friend that is an attorney...you all want to hear some thing good.
It doesn't matter how many times or in what venue she says she killed the baby. She can say that a thousand times. A confession without corroborating evidence is no evidence at all. If she did kill him and they don't find anything, the statement that she killed him means squat. Useless in her prosecution.
Grrrrr.
not_my_kids
01-07-2010, 09:15 AM
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Mom-FBI-working-on-sketch-of-couple-who/1gW7IWXbyk-ZzYrCnWVD1g.cspx
Mom, FBI working on sketch of couple who reportedly have missing baby
Good video at link too, says she is now co-operating with the FBI.
SuziQ
01-07-2010, 09:22 AM
Oh, yeah, I called a friend that is an attorney...you all want to hear some thing good.
It doesn't matter how many times or in what venue she says she killed the baby. She can say that a thousand times. A confession without corroborating evidence is no evidence at all. If she did kill him and they don't find anything, the statement that she killed him means squat. Useless in her prosecution.
Grrrrr.
IMO, not being able to produce a living child and past behavior and statements about wanting to hurt this child is pretty big evidence. And there won't be any hearsay issue when DFS files are introduced at trial. She only came up with the phantom couple adoption story when she was arrested and was suddenly facing murder charges. That gives me the impression that they don't exist, the adoption never happened, and the story was made up to save her own a**.
Searchfortruth
01-07-2010, 09:22 AM
Full raw interview of Elizabeth at the jail by the news station (video link with audio only):
http://www.kpho.com/video/22155911/index.html
Omfg she sounds just like Casey. Well... except that Eliz is articulate and well spoken.
This interview is unbelievable. Tammi is also talking with Elizabeth as well as the reporter.
I'm going to put Craigslist on hold for now, and work instead on transcribing this interview. Unbefrigginlievable.
(BeanE is using the F word a lot this morning :-) )
ETA: I'm dying here. You all have GOT to listen to this interview. What a way to start my day. I already had to take extra blood pressure meds.Tammi is really leading her in this phone call, in fact she is acting like she is the reporter. It makes me sick how she redirects the conversation to Logan and what a bad person he is. "So basically you were on the edge and Logan pushed you off", Tammi said. And then Tammi asks "why wouldn't you want Logan to have your baby", and of course Elizabeth answers with "he's a very controlling person, he's a felon, he's not capable of taking care of the child". In more recent interviews TPS has tried to not mention Logan as much, someone must have warned her about this.
These people make me so sick.
SuziQ
01-07-2010, 09:24 AM
Tammi is really leading her in this phone call, in fact she is acting like she is the reporter. It makes me sick how she redirects the conversation to Logan and what a bad person he is. "So basically you were on the edge and Logan pushed you off", Tammi said. And then Tammi asks "why wouldn't you want Logan to have your baby", and of course Elizabeth answers with "he's a very controlling person, he's a felon, he's not capable of taking care of the child". In more recent interviews TPS has tried to not mention Logan as much, someone must have warned her about this.
These people make me so sick.
It was nice to hear the officer sitting next to Logan on the today show stick up for him.
not_my_kids
01-07-2010, 09:28 AM
IMO, not being able to produce a living child and past behavior and statements about wanting to hurt this child is pretty big evidence. And there won't be any hearsay issue when DFS files are introduced at trial. She only came up with the phantom couple adoption story when she was arrested and was suddenly facing murder charges. That gives me the impression that they don't exist, the adoption never happened, and the story was made up to save her own a**.
They have to have something physically incriminating or they can't even bring it up that she confessed.
Lovely system we have.
I think it's made up too, but I think she had help from TPS in cooking up the story...TPS may be so far gone that she believes it.
iluvmua
01-07-2010, 09:29 AM
IMO, not being able to produce a living child and past behavior and statements about wanting to hurt this child is pretty big evidence. And there won't be any hearsay issue when DFS files are introduced at trial. She only came up with the phantom couple adoption story when she was arrested and was suddenly facing murder charges. That gives me the impression that they don't exist, the adoption never happened, and the story was made up to save her own a**.
I 100% agree. I'm now 99.9% she killed her own son.
This child has been missing for 12 days now and nobody has come foward yet. Plus, Logan's father said that he thought that she was capable of harming Gabe.
So IF this phantom couple exist (which they don't) they have had gabe from december 26 to now january 7th.
Searchfortruth
01-07-2010, 09:32 AM
It was nice to hear the officer sitting next to Logan on the today show stick up for him.Very nice to see that ! I guess the Smiths know to watch it with the Tempe PD by Logan's side. I hope that he gets Gabriel back unharmed, but my "hinky meter" has been on alert since this story came out.
Searchfortruth
01-07-2010, 09:36 AM
I 100% agree. I'm now 99.9% she killed her own son.
This child has been missing for 12 days now and nobody has come foward yet. Plus, Logan's father said that he thought that she was capable of harming Gabe.
So IF this phantom couple exist (which they don't) they have had gabe from december 26 to now january 7th.It will be interesting to see this composite drawing that Elizabeth is, allegedly, helping the FBI come up with.
not_my_kids
01-07-2010, 09:37 AM
Crap, she even has the same vocab as casey.
"They were reaching out."
Difficult statements are met with silence.
"How can I know anything, I'm in jail."
"I wasn't thinking about that..."
Grabs on to any kind of statement that may offer a way out, whether it fits or not.
Refers to Gabe as "the child".
I'll transcribe the call/interview. That way it can picked apart better. If someone already started that, let me know.
pghbrandi
01-07-2010, 09:42 AM
TPS was guiding Elizabeth so much in that interview. How pathetic.
That just makes it more clear for me she knows where the baby is and she doesn't want her to slip up during an interview. And why all the bashing of Logan? So he has a bad past. He seems like he was trying to do all he could to turn his life around and make a good life for himself and Gabe.
mysticrose
01-07-2010, 09:47 AM
This might explain why we are not hearing from her family :
************************************************** ***********************
Gabriel's great-grandfather says Elizabeth did not want to be a mother but wanted her baby to be in a stable home.
"She didn't want him brought up life like her - 5 foster homes," explained Robert Johnson.
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Mom-FBI-working-on-sketch-of-couple-who/1gW7IWXbyk-ZzYrCnWVD1g.cspx
SuziQ
01-07-2010, 09:47 AM
It will be interesting to see this composite drawing that Elizabeth is, allegedly, helping the FBI come up with.
This is one of the most interesting parts of a case like this I look forward to. The composites based on non existent people are telling. Of course everyone remembers the bushy haired stranger. Recently an Oregon wife claimed that two men attacked her and her husband, kidnapping her husband to never be seen again. She only got a good look at one guy she claimed and did a composite. It looked just like her. Turns out she had killed her husband and ran him through a wood chipper. A mother back east claimed a scary looking guy attacked her and her son, killing her son. The composite was so scary I think anyone who saw this guy would have called out the men in black. Sadly, mom was the one who killed her son.
If this composite turns out fairly normal looking, I might have to reconsider whether this couple exists.
Searchfortruth
01-07-2010, 09:50 AM
TPS was guiding Elizabeth so much in that interview. How pathetic.
That just makes it more clear for me she knows where the baby is and she doesn't want her to slip up during an interview. And why all the bashing of Logan? So he has a bad past. He seems like he was trying to do all he could to turn his life around and make a good life for himself and Gabe.It would be interesting to know if Elizabeth ever mentioned this "abuse" by Logan to anyone else, other than Tammi. What are the chances that Tammi encouraged these allegations to make the transfer of custody/adoption easier ?
Searchfortruth
01-07-2010, 09:54 AM
This is one of the most interesting parts of a case like this I look forward to. The composites based on non existent people are telling. Of course everyone remembers the bushy haired stranger. Recently an Oregon wife claimed that two men attacked her and her husband, kidnapping her husband to never be seen again. She only got a good look at one guy she claimed and did a composite. It looked just like her. Turns out she had killed her husband and ran him through a wood chipper. A mother back east claimed a scary looking guy attacked her and her son, killing her son. The composite was so scary I think anyone who saw this guy would have called out the men in black. Sadly, mom was the one who killed her son.
If this composite turns out fairly normal looking, I might have to reconsider whether this couple exists.I wonder if they will even release it. I am thinking they would ask for a lie detector test before releasing a drawing to the public (unless they were sure it was legit and I don't know how they can be sure with her). Maybe this is an attempt to get another crack at her.
BobbieBu
01-07-2010, 09:59 AM
I'm not sticking up for the mother at all. But after listening to her talk to reporters I think at the very end of it when TPS and the reporter told her that she could get charged with murder and spend the rest of her life in prison it scared her. You could tell her voice got a little shakey and that she was really starting to think of what the situation is.
So LE now is reporting they feel the baby is alive then just maybe this mother got the crap scared of her and is now possibly speaking.
I pray that this is the case!
mysticrose
01-07-2010, 10:01 AM
I am just curious as to why there has been no reward offered for the return of Baby Gabe or information to his location. The only other reason I can think of right now of why he has not been returned is that if the couple exsists is they paid for him, I have other thoughts but would rather not go there ...I think I need more coffee..
STEADFAST
01-07-2010, 10:03 AM
This is one of the most interesting parts of a case like this I look forward to. The composites based on non existent people are telling. Of course everyone remembers the bushy haired stranger. Recently an Oregon wife claimed that two men attacked her and her husband, kidnapping her husband to never be seen again. She only got a good look at one guy she claimed and did a composite It looked just like her. Turns out she had killed her husband and ran him through a wood chipper. A mother back east claimed a scary looking guy attacked her and her son, killing her son. The composite was so scary I think anyone who saw this guy would have called out the men in black. Sadly, mom was the one who killed her son.
If this composite turns out fairly normal looking, I might have to reconsider whether this couple exists.
But, remember, in the cases you mention it was to each killer's benefit to make the imaginary stranger look evil and menacing. In this case, it's to the mom's benefit to make the strangers look kind, normal, and trustworthy. I have a feeling the couple in the composite will look bland and have no distinguishing features.
pghbrandi
01-07-2010, 10:05 AM
It would be interesting to know if Elizabeth ever mentioned this "abuse" by Logan to anyone else, other than Tammi. What are the chances that Tammi encouraged these allegations to make the transfer of custody/adoption easier ?
I think the chances of encouragement from Tammi are quite high and the chances of mentioning the "abuse" from Logan to others is quite low.
Does anyone else get the feeling that Ol' Jack is getting a bit more nervous?
smart blonde
01-07-2010, 10:06 AM
Full raw interview of Elizabeth at the jail by the news station (video link with audio only):
http://www.kpho.com/video/22155911/index.html
Omfg she sounds just like Casey. Well... except that Eliz is articulate and well spoken.
This interview is unbelievable. Tammi is also talking with Elizabeth as well as the reporter.
I'm going to put Craigslist on hold for now, and work instead on transcribing this interview. Unbefrigginlievable.
(BeanE is using the F word a lot this morning :-) )
ETA: I'm dying here. You all have GOT to listen to this interview. What a way to start my day. I already had to take extra blood pressure meds.
Oh, wow. I think I'll join you in using the 'F' word, BeanE.
This phone interview of Elizabeth from jail just chilled me to the bone, because she sounds so much like Casey they could be twins.
The inflections in her voice, the was she repeatedly refers to Gabriel as "the child", the exact same pattern of speech when she says, "because I..." (very drawn out - think Casey in her first phone call home from jail), even the way she uses the phrase "reaching out".
Especially because her 'story' about handing Gabriel over to a couple in a park is so implausible, and her complete lack of concern for Gabriel's well being.
Chilling. Another Casey Anthony, in my opinion.
babycat
01-07-2010, 10:08 AM
I'm sure this has been mentioned (I've been crazy busy and haven't had time to read every post) but what bothers me is that Elizabeth still has the car seat. If you were going to give your baby away to a couple who had none, why would you need your car seat anymore? Wouldn't the couple ask to take it so the baby could travel safely? If Elizabeth cared even an inkling for her baby's safety, wouldn't she have just given it to them?
either a) there was no couple, and she is lying (which is what i believe)
or
b) the couple that took the baby didn't care enough about his safety to ask for/get the car seat. I mean, they're already getting a baby right? It's not like it's an imposition to ask for the car seat.
I'm just not buyin' it.
And if she is to be believed (which I personally don't) neither situation is good. Especially since it's (apparently) the type of couple who would just accept a baby from a distraught mother without taking it to the police or trying to get her help and not care if the baby had a carseat
smart blonde
01-07-2010, 10:11 AM
It will be interesting to see this composite drawing that Elizabeth is, allegedly, helping the FBI come up with.
Yeah, I just won't be surprised if it looks like Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. The invisable nanny.
smart blonde
01-07-2010, 10:14 AM
The authorities need to spend their time looking in dumpsters and landfills if they want to find this baby. In my opinion.
I don't believe she gave Gabriel to a couple. I think she killed him in a fit of rage, probably while coming down off of meth.
Searchfortruth
01-07-2010, 10:14 AM
Yeah, I just won't be surprised if it looks like Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. The invisable nanny.
It would be interesting to know if Elizabeth has followed the case.
jamiect
01-07-2010, 10:16 AM
I wonder if they will even release it. I am thinking they would ask for a lie detector test before releasing a drawing to the public (unless they were sure it was legit and I don't know how they can be sure with her). Maybe this is an attempt to get another crack at her.
Good point regarding the lie detector test...I would also like to see the Smith's take one as well.
Mels3kidz
01-07-2010, 10:17 AM
The authorities need to spend their time looking in dumpsters and landfills if they want to find this baby. In my opinion.
I don't believe she gave Gabriel to a couple. I think she killed him in a fit of rage, probably while coming down off of meth.
I wonder if they ran cadaver dogs through the hotel rooms and car.
Melissa
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