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Soulscape
01-02-2010, 03:01 PM
I note the Last Seen sunrise chart (below) shows ASCENDANT, SUN, DESCENDANT & LORD 1 SATURN in the 4th degree, same degree as baby Gabriel's natal NODES, suggesting catastrophe/tragedy/fatality, however, I do not think this baby is dead.

While we do not have the time Gabriel was Last Seen on 12/26/09 in San Antonio, TX, a chart cast for sunrise on that morning suggests a business deal: mother went 'far away' (Lord 1 SATURN in 9th House) to exchange the baby for money (mutual reception between Lord 1 SATURN in Libra with Lord 5 the Child VENUS in Capricorn).

If we can get a valid Last Seen time, we may be able to uncover more information.





http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/GabrielJohnsonLastSeenSunrise.gif



Additional notes: The child's natal (sunrise) chart suggests a mother who may be lacking in the nurturing department, but I do not see enough affliction to suspect harm as serious as death.

The mother's chart, on the other hand, is seriously afflicted and she is capable of hurting others (including her child) and/or being seriously hurt herself. If/when this baby is found & returned to his father (as I sincerely pray he will be), mother should be denied all rights including visitation. The potential to harm inherent in her chart is too risky.



Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape
01-05-2010, 01:09 PM
In my post above regarding 8 month old Gabriel Johnson, I stated that despite certain placements in a chart cast for sunrise on the date of Last Seen being in the same degree as Gabriel's natal NODES (catastrophe/tragedy/fatality), I did not think the baby was dead. Rather, I suspected that the mother had brokered a 'business deal,' exchanging the child for money.

A chart cast for mother's booking in Miami, as well as a horary chart I cast this morning, both support my initial judgment. Both charts suggest Gabriel is alive, hidden, and with a woman. They also suggest he will be returned/ recovered.

I will post charts and commentary this evening.

In the meantime, I will reiterate that the mother's natal (sunrise) chart is severely afflicted and suggests she is emotionally unstable and highly abusive. The chart simply does not support that she was a concerned, caring mother who may have taken the child away to save him from an abusive father, as some WS members have speculated. No way.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape
01-07-2010, 07:58 PM
Here is an interesting chart comparison:



http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/BiWheel-ElizJohnsononSurveillanceTa.gif


The Inner Wheel is cast for the time Eliz. Johnson was captured on surveillance tape in the Motel parking lot. The Outer Wheel shows POI Tammi FP Smith's natal chart cast for sunrise at location of Last Seen.

Notice how close TFPS's SUN (22 Pisces) is to Event ASCENDANT. So close, that if the time of the Event was pushed up barely a couple minutes, Event ASCENDANT and TFPS's natal SUN would be partile conjunct.

Notice also that Event URANUS, the planet associated with outlaws and adoptions (among other things), at 22 Pisces, is partile conjunct TFPS's natal SUN.

Recall also that 22 Pisces is a degree associated with deception.


The 5th House Child (Gabriel) is symbolized by MOON at 11 Taurus in the Inner Wheel. Notice this MOON forms a tight square with TFPS's natal sunrise MOON 12 Aquarius.

And isn't it just ever so interesting that Event MIDHEAVEN 24 Sagittarius is partile conjunct TFPS's natal sunrise MIDHEAVEN?

By the way, the Event Chart suggests the child was sold (Lord 5 MOON in Taurus, a money sign, in the radix 2nd House, a money house).

Thanks,
Soulscape

Neptunian
01-07-2010, 08:29 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/GABRIELJ-synmotherElizJandTammiFPS.gif

I cast a synastry chart for Tammi and Elizabeth and would like to post my observations:

Tammi's Sun is in the same Sunsign as EJ's - Pisces - a compatible, natural understanding between them. Probably the negative connotations of the sign work very freely between the two of them - the darker side of sacrifice, victimhood, saintliness, rescue...

Tammi's Saturn (1 GEM) is sextile EJ's (1 LEO) Sun and Mercury (29 CAN): EJ trusts Tammi as an authority figure. Sees her as a mentor. Tammi assists her (sextile), EJ thinks her advice friendly (Gemini) and logical.

Tammi's Sun (22 Pisces) is conjunct EJ's Jupiter - Tammi sees something she can gain.

Tami's Pluto (0 LIB) is sextile EJ's Sun and Mercury. She can be very persuasive and there are opportunities to use her authoritative influence to manipulate. There is a small, "pleasant" triangle with Tammi's Saturn and Pluto trining each other, and both sextiling EJ's Sun-Merc conj. - do you see? Patient she's been, crafty, she perservered.

Tammi's Neptune (5SAG) is conjunct EJ's Saturn, slipping past any boundaries EJ may have, can fool her. (Neptune is significant for Tammi and EJ both, as it deposits T's Sun and EJ's Moon.)

Tammi's Neptune is also trine EJ's Sun and Merc, adding to the ability to decieve, or at the least, tell a story EJ wants to believe. Tammi can tap into EJ's natural extreme subjectiveness (Sun conj Merc) and slip in to make her believe and do as she wants her to. Make it seem like it was her own idea, even. (Tammi's Pluto and Saturn aspects to Sun also play a part in this.)

Tammi's Venus (6 TAU) is opp EJ's Pluto, so I wouldn't be suprised if there were jealousy at play here, on both sides.

NOTE: There is alot of Venus Pluto in the charts involved, makes me wonder if Gabriel won't be found dressed as a girl??? (Pluto the transformer)

There is some more- but these seemed to be the most significant aspects.

Natally, Tammi has a Saturn - Neptune opposition. This aspect between her outer planets is a little more personal for her because Neptune rules her Sun. (As mentioned above, this aspect is also connected to EJ's chart.) Tammi has a natural tendancy to slip around authority. Wonder what she'll do now that the eyes of LE are upon her? She currently has transitting Uranus conjunct her Sun, which is sextile her Natal Mars. This energy could have some rash influence.

PS: I am trying to post the chart.

Amanda
01-07-2010, 08:40 PM
I'm watching about him on NG right now. What all do ya'll need to do a chart on him?

Amanda
01-07-2010, 08:46 PM
Ah i see now :)

Soulscape
01-07-2010, 09:57 PM
In light of baby Gabriel's disappearance and LE's naming of Tammi FPS as POI, the below bi-wheel is disturbing.






http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/BiWheel-GabrielJohnson-TammiFPS.gif



Since we are using sunrise charts we cannot be certain of ASCENDANT, MIDHEAVEN, house cusps or MOON. Gabriel's natal MOON could range from 01 - 15 Virgo, depending on his exact time of birth.

The sunrise chart gives a MOON position of 04 Virgo, close conjunct Tammi FPS's natal PLUTO/CERES midpoint. PLUTO/CERES is associated with kidnappings/ child snatchings/ removing a person from family by force.

Notice TFPS's PLUTO/CERES conj. Gabriel's MOON square TFPS's natal NEPTUNE, the planet associated with disappearances and deceptions of all kinds.

As Neptunian pointed out above, TFPS has NEPTUNE opposite SATURN, natally, suggesting a person who may slip around the law..........

TFPS's natal PLUTO/CERES close opposes Event PERSEPHONE, an asteroid associated with kidnapping.

Event PROSPERINA, another asteroid associated with kidnapping, at 20:42 Capricorn inconjuncts Event MARS 19 Leo and trines TFPS's natal MARS 20 Taurus, lending more support to the possibility she is involved in little Gabriel's disappearance.

I worry about Gabriel's MARS/PLUTO midpoint at 20:46 Aquarius. Notice TFPS's natal MARS squares that midpoint and Event MARS 19 Leo opposes it. Little Gabriel's Tertiary Progressed SUN at 21 Taurus is involved, under vicious attack. A kidnapping would be the best case scenario........

Thanks,
Soulscape

salvarenga
01-08-2010, 11:02 AM
Thanks Soulscape! I definitely think these two know more than they are saying. I was watching them on Nancy Grace last night and saw shades of George and Cindy as Tammi would reach over and grab her husbands leg as if to say all right stop you are saying too much.

Do any of the charts indicate if and when the child will be recovered?

passionflower
01-08-2010, 01:12 PM
Soulscape with Gabriel's MARS/PLUTO midpoint at 20:46 Aquarius.
Notice TFPS's natal MARS squares that midpoint and Event MARS 19 Leo opposes it.
Do you think that he is in danger if not found soon?

Soulscape
01-08-2010, 09:36 PM
Thanks Soulscape! I definitely think these two know more than they are saying. I was watching them on Nancy Grace last night and saw shades of George and Cindy as Tammi would reach over and grab her husbands leg as if to say all right stop you are saying too much.

Do any of the charts indicate if and when the child will be recovered?

Soulscape with Gabriel's MARS/PLUTO midpoint at 20:46 Aquarius.
Notice TFPS's natal MARS squares that midpoint and Event MARS 19 Leo opposes it.
Do you think that he is in danger if not found soon?

Salvarenga,

The earlier charts indicated the child was alive, hidden, with a woman, and would be recovered. The 'Car Found' chart was not so positive.

Passionflower,

Yes, I believe the baby is in a very dangerous situation. He needs to found, the sooner the better.

Thanks,
Soulscape

passionflower
01-08-2010, 10:28 PM
Tonight on NG the Smith's say they think the baby Gabriel may be in Victoria TX.
BUT these people hhave family and friends in Nashville TN.
Gabriel sightings have been mentioned in TN.
Just to update you. I have no real times.

momtective
01-09-2010, 08:20 AM
FBI Agents Search A Nashville House For Baby Gabriel

Tammi Smith told CBS5 she knew what the Nashville search was all about. It was the home of a friend of hers, Janet Morris, who she asked to counsel Elizabeth Johnson about what she could face legally if she tried to disappear with Gabriel.

"I called (Elizabeth) and said 'look, you've got to call this girl Janet,' and so Janet basically, she called her and as far as I know, Janet told her the same thing that we've been telling her and begged her to come back. 'And if you don't come back, you could be facing these charges and these charges,'" said Tammi Smith.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22190418/detail.html[/QUOTE]

Janet Morris
DOB March 14, 1974

Associated with:
Adoption Place, Inc.
505 Oak Forest Circle Antioch, TN 37013
(615) 365-7020
http://www.i-a-a.org.
Interadopt@comcast.net

Previous court case:
The Adoption Place, Inc. did not make a “diligent inquiry” of the birth mother to ascertain the identity of appellant.
http://tn.findacase.com/research/wfr...1730.TN.htm/qx

Soulscape
01-09-2010, 11:42 AM
Both Tammi FPS and Janet M. have third decan Pisces SUNS --- Tammi's at 22 Pisces, Janet's at 23 Pisces. The third decan of Pisces is Scorpio, ruled by MARS.

Here is what noted astrologer (the late) Isabel M. Hickey had to say about natives owning this SUN position:

Here is strength and strong will. ... Can be very, very bad or very, very good, for there is power there. Can be very selfish and destructive if MARS is afflicted, especially to NEPTUNE or SATURN.

(excerpt from Astrology A Cosmic Science, page 86)


Tammi FPS has MARS quindecile (165 degrees) NEPTUNE, with MARS in a wide out-of-sign conjunction with SATURN, which is opposed NEPTUNE. As Neptunian previously pointed out, SATURN opposed NEPTUNE, suggests she may find it easy to slip past the law.

Janet M. has MARS opposite NEPTUNE with SATURN square SUN. The latter suggests possible anger/resentment at having to 'follow the rules;' the former gives, perhaps, an innate ability to act (MARS) undercover, or deceptively (NEPTUNE). (Tammi's MARS quindecile NEPTUNE practically demands that she do so because the quindecile is an aspect of compulsion.)

On another note, the charts of the two women seem quite compatible; these two could easily be friends/ feed off each other's interests/energy. Perhaps Neptunian can add her impressions.

In the meantime, my first impression: Two peas in a pod, birds of a feather --- dare I say 'partners in crime'?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Ives
01-11-2010, 01:39 PM
Hello, I am a noob, but big fan of the astro threads! Have been reading ever since the casey anthoney case.

is there a way to tell if gabriel was transported the border? would the charts indicate this? I would assume you would need a last seen date/time that was accurate.
Thanks!

Ives
01-13-2010, 01:39 PM
CC's DOB is june 11, 1975 per this website

http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=yH3Cy14D29BuJucM0O/LBahbjb9g8NjTZ9oKcUq1bO8%3d&input=name

if I did something wrong, Let me know! LOL. but there is the info :)

time
01-13-2010, 04:43 PM
This was passed on from the father of the Smith's adopted daughter. Her birthdate is 9 June 2005. I'm hoping a reading for this might shed light on the Smith's. It appears the Smith's are lying about the baby not having the father's name for one. All the past history of this is complicated and if you need more info on that I will ask another to come here and fill in some details. It is my understanding that the father also said the records for this adoption are sealed and inaccessible to reporters or missing.


For now, please do not copy and post this on the forum for Gabriel.

justaparent
01-15-2010, 07:46 PM
I'm not an astrologer, but follow this forum with great interest. And hope I am not posting something that belongs in another thread.

But I'm wondering if the timeframe of the sitter's visit, or shortly afterwards, since that seems to be the time the little guy went missing, indicates if drug issues could have occurred?

The sitter mentioned Tylenol in the video, which I assume meant Tylenol PM since the "mother" was trying to keep him asleep. Acetaminophen is toxic to the liver in large doses, and adult doses (or more, the way it sounds) could have been devastating.

dreamweaver
01-15-2010, 08:44 PM
Tylenol can be toxic. And there has been a massive recall of tylenol

Soulscape
01-15-2010, 08:55 PM
I'm not an astrologer, but follow this forum with great interest. And hope I am not posting something that belongs in another thread.

But I'm wondering if the timeframe of the sitter's visit, or shortly afterwards, since that seems to be the time the little guy went missing, indicates if drug issues could have occurred?

The sitter mentioned Tylenol in the video, which I assume meant Tylenol PM since the "mother" was trying to keep him asleep. Acetaminophen is toxic to the liver in large doses, and adult doses (or more, the way it sounds) could have been devastating.


Hello Justaparent, and Welcome to our Forensic Astro Forum.

Yes, this is the correct thread to discuss Gabriel Johnson. If we had the time the babysitter arrived at the hotel, we could cast a chart and examine it for signs of harm to Gabriel from drugs, although I think from what we already know factually, it's pretty much a given.

Gabriel has a very wide square natally between his SUN 13 Taurus and NEPTUNE 26 Aquarius. In December 2009, Gabriel's Tertiary Progressed SUN had reached 21 Taurus, narrowing that orb to 5+ degrees and possibly indicating potential of upcoming issues involving drugs/ drugging.

After reading your post, I couldn't help but draw up a chart for 12/21/09 in San Antonio, TX, despite not having the time of babysitter's arrival. For no reason other than it popped into mind, I chose 4:40 pm as the time to assign to the chart, which gave an ASCENDANT of 16:58 Pisces. Interestingly, Gabriel's natal MARS/NEPTUNE midpoint (poisoning) is posited at 17:22 Pisces, conjuncting this horary chart's ASCENDANT.

Additionally, the MARS/NEPTUNE midpoint (poisoning) of the horary chart = 21 Taurus, which partile conjuncts Gabriel's Tertiary Progressed SUN, 21 Taurus, suggesting the answer to your question, unfortunately, is 'Yes.'

Thanks,
Soulscape

GRANNYL
01-15-2010, 09:36 PM
[QUOTE=Soulscape;4686098]
If we had the time the babysitter arrived at the hotel, we could cast a chart and examine it for signs of harm to Gabriel from drugs,

Sniped:

The babysitter said on NG that she arrived at 11:45 AM. She was late. She stated she was there about two plus hours. Also the date was the 19th or
20th she was not sure.

Hope this helps

Tuba
01-15-2010, 09:51 PM
This is the chart for Elizabeth Johnson's arraignment on Monday in the Maricopa Superior Court. An unusual feature of this horoscope is Sun and Venus at the midpoint of Moon's distance to the Ascendant.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/001.jpg

Tuba
01-16-2010, 12:27 PM
The time used for the chart was Eliz. J. Johnson's first appearance, 9:50 a.m. from the time stamp. Thank you for supplying all of the times. Working from the newspaper proved unsatisfactory.

Freedom from jailing, Uranus ruling H. 12 in H. 1, ruled the whole locomotive pattern of this chart. That is Defendant's sole urge, on full display when she claimed she now wanted her baby back so she could get out of jail. Maternal instinct: 0. Self-interest: 100%.

Prosecution asked bail be set at $1,000,000 and was obliged to the penny. See chart where Venus is in Saturn's Sign and Saturn is in the Sign of Venus. If this mutual reception were exercised by a donor, placing payment cash Venus in owed money House 8, release on bail would be achieved.

Every hope is pinned on that extraordinary clump at the exact middle of Moon and Ascendant: Sun, Venus, Node and Part of Fortune, lit up in neon in the House of hopes and wishes. The German proverb, "Hange nicht alles auf einen Nagel" is a reminder not to hang everything on one nail but that's what Defendant has done here. Saturn ruling everything in that Capricorn House is stationary and that means circumstances and hopes are at a standstill.

passionflower
01-16-2010, 12:58 PM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - AZ-Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, missing since 12-26-09 thread #10

babysitter time period........hope this helps........

Soulscape
01-16-2010, 02:52 PM
Unfortunately, we now have four possible dates for babysitter's arrival --- Saturday 12/19/09, Sunday 12/20/09, Monday 12/21/09 and Wednesday 12/23/09.

The only thing relatively certain is the time of arrival, consistently given as 11:45 am, eliminating Chart #1 below from consideration as it gives a 4:40 pm arrival time.



http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/4wheelsbabysitterarrivalhoraries.gif


Chart #1 is the horary I cast & discussed in post above. The other three charts are notable only in that the ASC at 11:45 am remains in Pisces (between 10 and 15 degrees), the sign of confusion. The confusion revolves around the fact that the babysitter apparently cannot remember which date she actually watched Gabriel.

Charts 2, 3 and 4 place Cancer on the 5th House Cusp, making MOON the significator of Gabriel.

Chart 2 MOON = 03 Aquarius
Chart 3 MOON = 18 Aquarius
Chart 4 MOON = 20 Pisces

The MARS/NEPTUNE midpoint (poisoning from drugs) in all four charts remains at 21 Taurus, partile conjunct little Gabriel's Tertiary Progressed SUN 21 Taurus, while Gabriel's natal MARS/NEPTUNE midpoint = 17 Pisces is close to either ASCENDANT or EQ (a secondary ASCENDANT) degrees in Charts 2, 3 & 4.

Regarding Chart #4 (which I am favoring as being the correct date), MOON in Pisces posited in House 1 (the body) partile square MIDHEAVEN gives a suggestion the 5th House Child (Cancer on Cusp, ruled by MOON) was noticeably medicated. Also, 20 Pisces = Gabriel's SUN/MIDHEAVEN midpoint (based on a sunrise natal chart).



Thanks,
Soulscape

butterfly1978
01-17-2010, 03:44 PM
A couple of things I notice from the pictures. First he does not look "overly thin to me", he appears to be clean and he was also changed because he has a diffrent outfit on in each picture. He also does not appear to be drugged inthat last picture he look tired, not drugged I have taken pictures of my kids when they are about to fall asleep and they look like that.
Can you guys do a chart for the babysitter, a couple of things I am intrested in is was she lieing to make EJ look worse than she already does, and could we compare that to maybe TS chart to see if they are working together? Like maybe TS paid the babysitter to say those things.

Tuba
01-17-2010, 04:29 PM
Yes, agree, Gabriel does look good. In the pre-interview, undoubtedly leading questions drew the desired answers and the actual interview then conformed. A., the babysitter provided what she thought the questioner wanted. I think she believed it herself or did not have to try hard to "believe" it. Remember, there was an effort to induce her to say Gabriel was lethargic. At least she didn't cave to that.

We do not have the correct date of her services, so the time doesn't help at all but it was clear she tried to deliver. Rather sad, isn't it?

pittsburghgirl
01-17-2010, 05:33 PM
Tuba, I thought the same thing as I watched the babysitter on NG. She is very young, and I'm sure anyone would be hard-pressed to defend the mother. If the story had been, "the baby was clean, well-fed but fussy because he was left with a stranger," there is no interview.

lonetraveler
01-17-2010, 08:12 PM
Yes, agree, Gabriel does look good. In the pre-interview, undoubtedly leading questions drew the desired answers and the actual interview then conformed. A., the babysitter provided what she thought the questioner wanted. I think she believed it herself or did not have to try hard to "believe" it. Remember, there was an effort to induce her to say Gabriel was lethargic. At least she didn't cave to that.

We do not have the correct date of her services, so the time doesn't help at all but it was clear she tried to deliver. Rather sad, isn't it?

I don't think that the babysitter knew what "lethargic" meant. The questions were leading, I definitely agree with that. I haven't made my mind up yet if she is truthful or not. The jury is still out on that one.

justaparent
01-18-2010, 12:27 PM
On the woman who posted about adopting a baby Gabriel. I lost track of the source, but an Arizona television station reported that LE had checked it out and the family adopted a very young baby named Gabriel.

passionflower
01-18-2010, 08:00 PM
On the woman who posted about adopting a baby Gabriel. I lost track of the source, but an Arizona television station reported that LE had checked it out and the family adopted a very young baby named Gabriel.

yes IIRC 2 weeks old.......

pittsburghgirl
01-19-2010, 12:53 PM
Perhaps if the DA prepares a murder indictment based on her statements that she killed the baby, she will discover that it is in her best interest to talk about his whereabouts, if Gabriel is still alive. This case reminds me more and more of the Sam and Lindsey Porter case, in which the father kidnapped and killed his own children to "punish" his wife. He sat in jail for years on a kidnap/custodial interference conviction until the bodies were found. I pray that EJ didn't kill Gabriel and that he is reunited with his father.

butterfly1978
01-19-2010, 08:29 PM
I feel as though I am the ONLY one that feels that Gabriel is still alive. Is there anyway to do another chart for Gabriel for today and see if he is hidden or dead? I know in the beginning the charts suggested that this was a buisness deal, which I seriously beleive. Can we look at the charts now and be able to tell if he is still living?

Soulscape
01-19-2010, 08:53 PM
I feel as though I am the ONLY one that feels that Gabriel is still alive. Is there anyway to do another chart for Gabriel for today and see if he is hidden or dead? I know in the beginning the charts suggested that this was a buisness deal, which I seriously beleive. Can we look at the charts now and be able to tell if he is still living?


Butterfly, please post your geographic coordinates.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Salem
01-20-2010, 10:15 AM
In this video: http://www.azcentral.com/video/#/News/Web+page+set+up+for+missing+baby/40280768001/35150280001/62405679001

The reporter actually talks about a possible plea deal going on behind the scenes. Its towards the end of the video. I think it is a positive sign that at least the possibility is being made public.

Salem

butterfly1978
01-20-2010, 07:03 PM
Butterfly, please post your geographic coordinates.

Thanks,
Soulscape


33°41′11″N 86°40′55″W

If you would like to double check its Pinson, Alabama

Angel Who Cares
01-22-2010, 02:11 AM
FYI: SS & Tuba,
There is now an Astro Timestamped Thread for Gabriel!

Thanks Fifth for bumping all of the media I posted into it for me! :blowkiss:

Astrology-GABRIEL JOHNSON TimeStamped Media,Doc Links*NO DISCUSSIONS
Astrology-GABRIEL JOHNSON TimeStamped Media,Doc Links*NO DISCUSSIONS - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


:angel:

butterfly1978
01-23-2010, 02:40 PM
33°41′11″N 86°40′55″W

If you would like to double check its Pinson, Alabama

I know I am quoting myself here but I wanted to bump this incase the astro's didn't see it. I would really like to know what the charts are saying about Gabriel's current situation, If he is alive or not.

waltzingmatilda
01-23-2010, 02:59 PM
I know I am quoting myself here but I wanted to bump this incase the astro's didn't see it. I would really like to know what the charts are saying about Gabriel's current situation, If he is alive or not.

OMG butterfly! Why Pinson, AL? Just curious because that is my old stomping ground (I grew up in AL) and I am familiar with the area. I hope my question doesn't seem too dense but I have only been following Gabriel's case from afar and am not aware of all the developments. (I had to take some time off from WS during the holidays.)

My apologies for my question not being directly related to astrology. Thanks and hugs, wm

pittsburghgirl
01-23-2010, 03:04 PM
Soulscape asked for butterfly's geographic coordinates in order to do a chart. I think that is horary astrology, in which the time, date, and place of the QUESTIONER is needed in order to do the chart. (Please, astros and astrosophisticates, correct me if I am wrong.) Butterfly posed a time-stamped question; Soulscape just needed the coordinates.

butterfly1978
01-23-2010, 03:06 PM
OMG butterfly! Why Pinson, AL? Just curious because that is my old stomping ground (I grew up in AL) and I am familiar with the area. I hope my question doesn't seem too dense but I have only been following Gabriel's case from afar and am not aware of all the developments. (I had to take some time off from WS during the holidays.)

My apologies for my question not being directly related to astrology. Thanks and hugs, wm

Its where I live at. I was asked to give my coordinates for a question I had asked so a chart could be done. Nice to know theres neighbors here on WS. Pinson is so small if you blink you will miss it (lol)

Angel Who Cares
01-25-2010, 06:45 AM
FYI: Tuba, SS All,

EJ is due in court today for a hearing!!!
As soon as I can find out what time....I'll let you all know!


SS,
butterfly1978 left you the info you asked posted above! :blowkiss:

:angel:

KayKay72
01-25-2010, 11:34 AM
Hi I am new to the forum and joined specifically to join in on the discussion of this case. My thoughts are this: I have also seen the pictures and I also don't see what everyone is talking about. If anything the baby looks like he may be sick and that would explain why she had Tylenol for him. I do not think he looks dirty or unkempt. She has adorable outfits on him and I see several toys, not just one as the babysitter claims. I also have a lot of trouble trusting the Smiths. Something is definitely shady with them!

FifthEssence
01-25-2010, 07:49 PM
WELCOME :) KayKay to the Astro Forum!
We invite you to participate in our Chart discussions and findings.

Seeing you are a 'newbie' here at WS, know that General discussions and theories not related to our Chart analysis can be posted in the Gabriel Johnson Thread out in the Missing Forum.

AZ-Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, MSG 26 Dec 09 thread #16 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

MyLilElves
01-27-2010, 10:07 AM
I feel as though I am the ONLY one that feels that Gabriel is still alive. Is there anyway to do another chart for Gabriel for today and see if he is hidden or dead? I know in the beginning the charts suggested that this was a buisness deal, which I seriously beleive. Can we look at the charts now and be able to tell if he is still living?


I feel it also. Sometimes I question myself as to if I just WANT him to be alive and well SO badly and that's why I believe he's alive. But, I always come to the conclusion it's something more than that. It's different this time.

pittsburghgirl
01-27-2010, 12:19 PM
I think there is reason for hope. The pictures she took of Gabriel would have no real purpose if she intended to kill him. I don't see why the Smiths are still involved--and wanting to push themselves forward--if this is a homicide. Of course, I could be wrong. But I HOPE not.

I wonder if there are time stamps on any of the pictures and if they would be useful for addressing the question of Gabriel's fate.

Ives
01-28-2010, 07:49 PM
is the time for EJ's last update on her myspace able to be charted? maby to see her state of mind, or what was going on in her life at that moment in time?

Just in case, here is the info. Posted at 11:36 AM Dec 29, 2009 and we know it was posted in florida, in case her location is important. I'm grabbing at straws here!
Thank you!

edit to add link- http://www.myspace.com/elizj86

Tuba
01-29-2010, 02:20 PM
What we CAN do is cast a horoscope for the start of the landfill search when that happens. That qualifies as an EVENT. Not everything does, as you can understand. The chart Soulscape did for Eliz. Johnson's arrest in Florida is based on what is considered an event. It was close in time to your concerns. The chart I did for her bond hearing & arraignment is based on an event.

Let's keep our eyes skinned and our ears pricked for word of the start of the search through the trash in San Antonio.

Tuba
01-30-2010, 01:47 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/BustoFortLauderdale001.jpg

In this chart for boarding a bus, ticket destination Fort Lauderdale, Gabriel's natal Sun is on the rising Moon, 12° - 12°, spot on. His Venus & Mars fall into House 12, his powerful Mercury slowing to station in three days, at 1.5° II squares the Part of Fortune here.

No matter what time of day he was born, his Mars is at 8° Aries. This degree in Cardinal Signs represents a turning point in the life and a challenge which can include violence and death. The Part of Death is 10:35 Scorpio and the Death Point (from Barbara Watters) is 7:11 Taurus.

Tuba
01-31-2010, 01:24 PM
I should add that Venus in Capricorn, seen conjunct Pluto & the Sun in H. 9, is Logan. He will follow or come after as Venus is behind the baby and Pluto, ruler of H. 8. Venus (Logan) also rules House 7 of Elizabeth's partner or mate. Pluto is atrociously conditioned: in square with Saturn and // Mars.

Angel Who Cares
02-02-2010, 02:32 PM
Breaking News!!! Timestamp for our astrologers! TS was arrested at 11:10 AM CST

UPDATED: Tammi Smith Arrested In Baby Gabriel Case
Gabriel's Dad Logan McQueary Says Arrest Long Time Coming
POSTED: 11:34 am MST February 2, 2010
UPDATED: 1:22 pm MST February 2, 2010
<snipped>
Officers have arrested person-of-interest Tammi Smith on Tuesday morning in connection with the disappearance of baby Gabriel Johnson, authorities said.

According to a statement from the Tempe Police Department, Smith will be charged with conspiracy to commit custodial interference, custodial interference and forgery.

Police searched the Smiths' Scottsdale home Jan. 15. At the time, they did not provide any specifics.

VIDEO REPORT: Tammi Smith Arrested In Baby Gabriel Case 2:20
http://www.kpho.com/video/22412679/index.html

VIDEO: KPHO.com Afternoon Webcast - 1 P.M.
http://www.kpho.com/video/22413040/index.html

Article:
http://www.kpho.com/news/22412133/detail.html
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UPDATED: Tammi Smith arrested in Baby Gabriel case
February 2, 2010 - 11:47AM , updated: February 2, 2010 - 12:10PM
<snipped>
Tammi Smith, 37, of Scottsdale, was arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit custodial interference, custodial interference and forgery, according to information from Tempe police.

Smith was arrested at 11:10 a.m. at her residence in north Scottsdale, police said.

Tammi Smith is being transported to the Tempe City Jail, and later will be booked into a Maricopa County jail, police said.

Jack Smith, who was contacted by the Tribune on Tuesday morning, wouldn’t immediately comment.

More details will be released on www.evtrib.com as they become available.

Article:
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/150179
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The Tempe Police Department is expected to hold a news conference at 3 p.m. to discuss the arrest.
Article:
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-police-make-arrest-in-missing-baby-Gabriel/l-hiVWyc7E-by9eczEAoHA.cspx


*More Info In The Timestamped Thread!

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Angel Who Cares
02-02-2010, 04:21 PM
*FYI: Press Conference Has Started!

UPDATED: Watch LiveVideo: Tempe Police Press Conference on Tammi Smith Arrest (3:30 p.m.)
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/generic/news/live_video_feed1

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Angel Who Cares
02-02-2010, 06:03 PM
Jack Smith is NO longer considered a POI!
LE says that TS helped EJ along the way when she left AZ! Which we all kinda knew already. That she helped her find a place to stay & assisted her in other ways.

I'll add the PC videos & all other updates edited in the Astrology Gabriel TimeStamped Thread for everyone there! :wink:

Here's the link to it for any of our new members or those who didn't know we had one for Gabriel!
Astrology-GABRIEL JOHNSON TimeStamped Media,Doc Links*NO DISCUSSIONS
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94323&page=4


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Angel Who Cares
02-02-2010, 07:43 PM
Breaking News Just in: I wanted to share this with you all! :cry:
Why? Why? Why? Why does this stuff keep happening to all of our little angels in the world? :( :cry:

Sorry off topic from Gabriel, but I'm sitting here in tears for these 2 little angels! :shakehead: :cry:

UPDATED: Children fatally stabbed by their mother
Last Update: 2/02 11:55 pm
<snipped>
A mother is in custody and a neighborhood is in shock. San Antonio Police Chief Bill McManus has confirmed that she fatally stabbed her two children. The boys were just one and three-years-old.

The question on many minds, “Why would a 22-year-old mother kill her two young sons?”

The incident happened on the Near North Side on the 100 block of Weizmann Street near Blanco and Basse. The first officers to respond to the scene said they found the mother covered in blood and standing in the front yard. The officers said the woman had a crazed look and immediately asked the officers to arrest her. “She said to the officer when he walked up, 'I just killed my babies' and turned around and put her hands out to be handcuffed,” Chief McManus told News 4 WOAI.

Those officers had to force their way inside the womans house which was already filling with gas. They say she blew out the pilot light and left the oven on. “They turned the oven off, walked back into the bedroom. they found two boys who had been stabbed to death,” said Chief McManus.

Chief McManus described the murder scene as gruesome. “Words can't describe the scene,” he explained. “It was unspeakably sad.” Those two little brothers were lying in bed, side by side... dead.

The Chief said counseling services will be made available for everyone that witnessed the aftermath of these horrible murders. Investigators say they don't know why the mom did it, but she appeared to be shockingly calm. They tell us there is no documented history of child abuse.

Video: Children murdered by their mother 2:04
http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=793161@woai.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Video: Mom accused of murdering young sons 4:50
http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=793277@woai.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Article:
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Children-stabbed-by-their-mother/1YIwi1gXOEGE5s2UcvRmuw.cspx

:prayer:'s & :rose:'s "Rest In Peace Little Angels!" :prayer:'s & :rose:'s

:angel:

Angel Who Cares
02-02-2010, 08:10 PM
:furious: Suspect Tammi Smith being escorted into Maricopa County Jail :furious:
http://www.abc15.com/media/lib/88/b/1/6/b1699e8d-b459-407e-9d9f-ac58d31c0687/Story.jpg

I have no words that I can say here....What is she soooooo happy about??????

They just released the arrest warrant!
Timestamps~Date of Offense: 12/27/09 @ 11:53 Hours
Arrest: Date of Arrest 2/2/10 @ 1200 Hours
DOB: Tammi Smith: 3/12/72
Case No: 09-231039

On 12/27/09 TPD Sergeant L. Lenzon contacted EJ via telephone. EJ was instructed to make contact with Texas LE in order to confirm that garbriel was alive & safe. EJ refused.

(Was this the call that the babysitter overheard?)

Interesting info from the warrant: Tammi stated on 12/28/09 that Logan threatened her after a court hearing in Judge McVey's court room. Unknown to Tammi Logan recorded the call. TPD heard the call & no threat was made. Logan told Tammi to stop calling him. Logan hung up the phone line. Shortly after Jack Smith called Logan. Logan, once again disconnected the phone line. Tammi & Jack Smith have used the media to make many statements which later later have been found to be inaccurate regarding their involvement in the investigation. Much more interesting info to be read in the arrest warrant! Dates of many things that may be helpful in astro charts!!:wink:

PDF Document: Arrest Paperwork
http://www.kpho.com/download/2010/0203/22416309.pdf


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passionflower
02-02-2010, 10:52 PM
any new charts for the arrest??? TIA

PMLsmom
02-03-2010, 11:35 AM
Ditto passionflower's question...TIA

passionflower
02-03-2010, 11:38 AM
and now we have any charts for TS release on bond????
OH my and they said she is a flight risk and such low bond!
Question, will she face charges again .............Texas????

Sweetbaby
02-03-2010, 11:39 AM
Woman arrested in baby Gabriel case out of jail
February 3rd, 2010 @ 5:17am
<snipped>
Tammy Smith's husband Jack picked her up at 4th Avenue Jail on Wednesday morning. Her attorney was not present.

Police do not believe that she knows where the missing boy may be. She was charged with custodial interference and forgery. "It doesn't mean those charges are gonna stick. It doesn't mean those charges are true. But nevertheless, they were able to do that 'cause they're the guys with the guns," says Tammy Smith.

"You know, those are charges that Tempe Police Department is trying to create a case." And she says looking back she wouldn't have become involved with the missing boy's mom, Elizabeth Johnson.

"I felt like she was being completely taken advantage of by the father and the grandfather."

When asked if she knows where the missing boy is, she says "absolutely not."

Article:
http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=1259488


I cannot help but wonder if Elizabeth was being taken advantage of by Jack and Tammi? I know Elizabeth didnt really want to be a mother it would appear. She didnt seem to do a great job at it seems she was not given the best example from her parents. I have not heard anything in the news to show that baby G's dad was not a good father. I heard he was young and he was trying. Elizabeths grandfather once said he didnt know what more the boy could do for Elizabeth! I think Tammi and Jack wanted the boy and her statements that she made about the lengths she would go to to adopt him were very telling! The little girl they are raising is a child they also adopted from an "unfit" parent IIRC. There are foster children out there who have been taken from unfit parents yet it looks like these people are taking children from parents they deem unfit. I wonder if Elizabeth would have done what she did on her own? I hope nothing bad has happened to the baby and his father can be reunited with him and raise him to adulthood! I am glad she was arrested and her statements to the father and the threats she made are public. didnt the charts pretty much peg her for what she is!

Sweetbaby
02-03-2010, 11:42 AM
UPDATED: Tammi Smith Arrested In Baby Gabriel Case
Tammi Smith Claims Innocence In Baby Gabriel's Disappearance
POSTED: 11:34 am MST February 2, 2010
UPDATED: 7:58 am MST February 3, 2010
<snipped>
According to a statement from the Tempe Police Department, Smith was charged with conspiracy to commit custodial interference, custodial interference and forgery.

She was arraigned late Tuesday night and released early Wednesday morning.

"We all knew this would happen," Smith said as she walked into the Fourth Avenue Jail. "I am innocent. God is with me."

Jack Smith maintains his wife's innocence.

"We have been harassed," he said. "We have been bullied, and we know nothing."

He also said he trusts his wife.

"I've known every single thing -- everything all along the way," he said.

Article:
http://www.kpho.com/news/22412133/detail.html


I am glad they feel bullied, now they know who baby Gabe's daddy feels. Imagaine how he felt thinking they were trying to take his son from him. All the threats and for what???? I serious doubt they thought they were saving a child, they WANTED a child. Selfish people make me sick.

pittsburghgirl
02-03-2010, 11:48 AM
These two have a lot of nerve, I'll say that. I am thrilled that TS has been arrested. Maybe they will think twice about denying a natural parent custody rights of his child.

FifthEssence
02-03-2010, 05:43 PM
You are our 'ANGEL'.

Saying 'Thank you' doesn't begin to describe just how grateful we are for the kazillion hours you spend keeping both our Astro Forum and the Main Missing Persons Forum up to the minute with the latest headlines.


xxxxxxxx (((BIG Hugs))) xxxxxxxx

Angel Who Cares
02-03-2010, 09:18 PM
I know this is OT for this thread, but added it for those who wanted to know the latest update, from my article in post #53.

:cry: UPDATED: Children murdered by their mother: What were the signs? :cry:
2/3/10 Last Update: 6:13 pm
<snipped>
It's so difficult to wrap your head around a story like what happened on Weizman Tuesday night -- where a mother admits she killed her two young sons. Mothers just don't kill their kids, but Bexar County has a few women sitting in jail right now accused of doing just that.

In those cases, we're told postpartum psychosis was a factor. That means there had to be signs that something was wrong way before they would have murdered their kids. I sat down with an expert in the field Wednesday to find out what the signs are.

Dr. Vivek Singh, an assistant professor of psychology at the UT Health Science Center here in San Antonio, says we're not just talking about the blues here. "About one to two out of 1,000 child births result in somebody becoming psychotic, which is a mother becoming out of touch with reality," explained Singh. This may be a mother who thinks her breast milk is poisoning her baby, or like police say in the case of Otty Sanchez, heard voices telling her to kill her baby, Scotty, which she admitted to doing.

Elyse Colon admitted to police she killed her sons Tuesday.

Neighbors, like Angelica Puentes, noticed something unusual about Colon. "I've seen her down the street walking with her children and for the most part she looked like she was kind of zoned out," said Puentes.

That doesn't mean she was psychotic. Dr. Singh says pregnant women with an underlying psychiatric illness, like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, are at a very high risk of developing postpartum psychosis that, left untreated, can last for years.

"So, the vigilance should begin right from the time they get pregnant," explained Dr. Singh, "[What] we should be focused on is to ensure that people who need our help who are going through an extremely traumatic event get the most adequate, appropriate intervention to avoid something bad from happening."

Elyse Maryl Colon, 22, stabbed her two young sons to death, then calmly held her wrists out to police officers who arrived at her home and said "I killed my babies," authorities said.
http://www.woai.com/media/lib/12/3/5/a/35aeb738-2e67-4ca6-a5d7-8e987ca57683/Story.jpg

Video: Police Chief Bill McManus talks about the deadly stabbing 3:53
http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=793616@woai.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Video: Child Protect Services had just visited home where mother murdered children 4:54
http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=793651@woai.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Article:
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Children-murdered-by-their-mother-What-were-the/PKi-x8qwmEmzb4VVcwg39w.cspx

New details about babies who were murdered
Last Update: 5:20 am
<snipped>
News 4 WOAI has learned that a one-year-old boy who was murdered, allegedly by his own mother, attended a special program for children with delays or disabilities. The Brighton Center confirmed that the boy was receiving services from its organization.

A spokeswoman for Child Protective Services says that the agency did receive a call from a staff member at a daycare center who was concerned about possible bruising on one of the children. CPS investigated and the spokeswoman says the suspected bruises turned out to be a rash. News 4 WOAI is working to get more information on the report that was made to CPS.

In the statement, Brighton Center says research shows that children with disabilities are almost four times more likely be victims of abuse and neglect than children without disabilities.

The statement concludes by saying, "Brighton Center will cooperate with all regulatory and criminal agencies to ensure that the information from the Brighton Center staff can help ensure justice for the children that we lost this week."

Video: Children murdered by their mother were exposed to a pattern of family violence 4:03
http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=793900@woai.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Article:
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/New-details-about-babies-who-were-murdered/6dd0GvbYd0yVbo8pMQNevg.cspx
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I'll check to see if someone started a thread for the 2 little angels & bump these posts there...after I'm done with media across the board. I didn't wake up today till 12:30PM! :blushing:

:prayer:'s & :rose:'s "Rest In Peace Little Angels!" :prayer:'s & :rose:'s

":prayer:'s For Gabriel!"

:angel:

Angel Who Cares
02-04-2010, 06:45 PM
Tuba, SS & All,
Here is a map of where Logan will be traveling. I don't know if it will help you with your charts, but posted it here just in case in does! :wink:

Interactive: Map Logan McQueary's Route To Texas
http://www.kpho.com/news/22465523/detail.html

:angel:

Angel Who Cares
02-05-2010, 01:10 AM
SS, Tuba, & All,

In this video it's reported that TS's apt. with her lawyer was 2/4/10 @ 2PM.
Is a chart helpful as to why the sudden..."I can NO longer talk to the media", or show anything revealing pertaining to them knowing more etc.? TIA

Or do we need to get the lawyers DOB etc.?
Would it be helpful to get his DOB for the astrologers either way?

She also soooooooo reminds of Cindy Anthony with her actions & how she just loves the camera too etc. etc.!

Soooo will she be like CA & NOT be able to stay away from talking nor the camera's? TIA

*This one below is the video with the time noted.
VIDEO REPORT: Complaint Filed Against Tammi Smith
http://www.kpho.com/video/22468745/index.html

*This is after Tammi's visit with her lawyer...yet she still takes the time to make a statement...even though she was asked by her lawyer to "Shut Up!"
VIDEO REPORT: Tammi Smith: I Must Remain Silent
http://www.kpho.com/video/22469038/index.html

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pittsburghgirl
02-05-2010, 03:03 PM
I don't think it matters what TS says to LE; clearly, they haven't believed her to this point and I can't see why they would start believing her now that she's lawyered up. This is a guess: TS has left an electronic trail through the internet and cell phones that links her to the adoption underworld, hence the arrest. It's hard to argue "innocence" re: custodial interference when she has left a trail of breadcrumbs leading her to every bizarre route of "adoption" that she could concoct.

Angel Who Cares
02-05-2010, 03:05 PM
SS, Tuba & All I found her lawyer's DOB & place of birth!!! Sory no time found. I hope this helps you all out.

Tammi Smith's Lawyer DOB etc.: Michael D. Kimerer (Member) born Yuba City, California, October 10, 1940
Lawyer's Address: 221 East Indianola Avenue
Phoenix, Arizona 85012 (Maricopa Co.)

Found on this page:
(Member) born Yuba City, California, October 10, 1940; admitted to bar, 1970, California, Arizona, U.S. District Court, District of Arizona, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of California, U.S. Court of Appeals, 9th Circuit and U.S. Tax Court; 1976, U.S. Supreme Court. Education: California State University (B.A., 1964); University of California at Davis (J.D., 1969). Recipient: John J. Flynn Award for Excellence in the Practice of Criminal Law; Distinguished Alumni Award, U.C. Davis School of Law. Member, Arizona Judicial Council, 1990-1995, 1997; Attorney General's Capital Case Commission, 2000-2002. Judge Pro Tem: Maricopa County Superior Court; Arizona Court of Appeals. Co-Author: Arizona Environmental Law Manual, Environmental Criminal Enforcement, Chapter 4.7. Member: State Bar of Arizona (Member, Board of Governors, 1989-1997; President, 1995-1996); State Bar of California; American Bar Association (Member, Sections on: Litigation; Criminal Law; White Collar Crime Committee; Chairman, Committee on Specialization in Criminal Law, 1973); Arizona Attorneys for Criminal Justice (President, 1986-1988). Fellow: American Board of Criminal Lawyers (Member, Board of Governors, 1986-1993; President, 1994-1995). (Certified Specialist, Criminal Law, Arizona Board of Legal Specialization). Practice Areas: Business Crimes Law; Environmental Crimes; Government Contract Fraud; Health Care Fraud; White Collar Criminal Defense; Federal and State Crimes; Criminal Appeals.............Office: 221 East Indianola Avenue
Phoenix, Arizona 85012 (Maricopa Co.)
Link:
http://www.lawyers.com/Arizona/Phoenix/Kimerer-and-Derrick,-P.C.-48478-f.html

View Map:
http://www.lawyers.com/Arizona/Phoenix/Kimerer-and-Derrick-P-C--48478-f.html?tab=contact#details

More info on Micheal Kimerer:
Practice Areas: Business Crimes Law; Environmental Crimes; Government Contract Fraud; Health Care Fraud; White Collar Criminal Defense; Federal and State Crimes; Criminal Appeals

University: California State University, B.A., 1964

Law School: University of California at Davis, J.D., 1969

Admitted: 1970, California, Arizona, U.S. District Court, District of Arizona, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of California, U.S. Court of Appeals, 9th Circuit and U.S. Tax Court; 1976, U.S. Supreme Court

Memberships: State Bar of Arizona (Member, Board of Governors, 1989-1997; President, 1995-1996); State Bar of California; American Bar Association (Member, Sections on: Litigation; Criminal Law; White Collar Crime Committee; Chairman, Committee on Specialization in Criminal Law, 1973); Arizona Attorneys for Criminal Justice (President, 1986-1988).

Born: Yuba City, California, October 10, 1940

Biography: Recipient: John J. Flynn Award for Excellence in the Practice of Criminal Law; Distinguished Alumni Award, U.C. Davis School of Law. Member, Arizona Judicial Council, 1990-1995, 1997; Attorney General's Capital Case Commission, 2000-2002. Judge Pro Tem: Maricopa County Superior Court; Arizona Court of Appeals. Co-Author: Arizona Environmental Law Manual, Environmental Criminal Enforcement, Chapter 4.7. Fellow, American Board of Criminal Lawyers (Member, Board of Governors, 1986-1993; President, 1994-1995).(Certified Specialist, Criminal Law, Arizona Board of Legal Specialization)
Link:
http://www.martindale.com/Michael-D-Kimerer/48480-lawyer.htm

Here's an interesting article:
Jack and Tammi Smith have hired heavy-duty lawyer Michael D. Kimerer to represent them for their involvement in the case of missing Baby Gabriel. Kimerer often represents defendants in high profile cases and has considerable experience in death penalty cases, which are automatically deemed high profile.

The Smiths lawyer, Kimerer, has told the North Valley couple to refuse further news media interviews and to keep silent.

Attorney Michael D. Kimerer, is a certified criminal-law specialist who is admitted to practice in Arizona and California courts, state and federal, as well as before the U.S. Supreme Court. Arizona. He has represented corporate executives and also defendants in death-penalty cases. An infamous past case involved the alleged somnambulist Scott Falater, who claimed he was sleepwalking when he murdered his wife in 1997. A jury found Falater guilty of first-degree murder in 1999.

Kimerer represented rapist and murderer Robert Comer whose 1987 crimes led him to a state execution in 2007, something that he ironically had fought for. Kimerer's current high profile case, in addition to the case of missing Baby Gabriel, is the case of death-row inmate Debra Jean Milke, who allegedly murdered her four-year-old son execution-style in 1989. She says she is innocent. A judge will decide on February 2, 2010 if Milke will win a new trial.
Link:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2653757/tammi_smith_hires_deathpenaltycase.html?cat=17

Now I'm not sure when she appears for her hearing next week ....this article says it's 2/9/10 @ 8:15am...I'll keep a look out for another article that confirms which one it is! :wink:
Phoenix, Ariz. Tammi Peters Smith is scheduled to appear in Maricopa Superior Court at 8:15am (MST) on Tuesday February 9, 2010 in Phoenix, Arizona for an Initial Pretrial Conference, also known as a pretrial hearing. She and her high profile attorney, Michael D. Kimerer will appear before either a trial judge, magistrate, or a judicial officer.

Tammi Peters Smith was arrested on Tuesday February 2 on three Class 4 felony charges related to the 'missing Baby Gabriel case'. The charges are: Conspiracy to Commit Custodial Interference; Custodial Interference; Forgery. She was jailed at the 4th Avenue Jail.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2669699/missing_baby_gabriel_johnson_tammi.html?cat=25

Link to other interesting articles that include Tammi s, MK & more about Gabriel's case:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/127897/rm_gal.html

Tammi has another hearing Feb. 8...time unknown. She spent 3hrs with him yestereday from 2pm - 5pm!! Which day is it 2/8/10 or 2/9/10??? :confused:
Here's is the link to the article:
http://www.kpho.com/news/22469189/detail.html

ETA: Here is a link to articles of a case that MK has handled in the past. Added for reference in case others wanted to observe his personality & quotes he used in another case! (Link will lead you to many other articles from the case.
Day 2 of Debra Milke Hearing
Updated: Tuesday, 12 Jan 2010, 6:00 PM MST
Published : Tuesday, 12 Jan 2010, 6:00 PM MST
<snipped>
In the second day of her federal court hearing, convicted killer Debra Milke doubled over in sobs while watching a jailhouse interview she did with FOX 10 back in 1991. In the interview, Milke described her interrogation by former Phoenix Police detective Armando Saldate.

Milke's attorney, Michael Kimerer, says she was wrongly convicted. "You know, how would you like to be going to the death chair on this kind of evidence? That's all you got? What a cop says happened in a room which he did not memorialize in any way?" said Kimerer.

The federal judge will announce a decision on whether Milke waived her Miranda rights, and send his findings to an appeals court in California. That court could order a new trial.
Milke has been on death row for 20 years. She was convicted of having her 4-year-old son killed after telling him he was going to see Santa Claus.

Article:
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/justice/debra-milke-hearing-1-12-2010

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Angel Who Cares
02-06-2010, 04:48 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Search for Baby Gabriel now a murder investigation
Posted on February 6, 2010 at 3:29 PM
Updated today at 3:34 PM
<snipped>
According to police, there is information that Baby Gabriel, who was last seen in San Antonio the day after Christmas, was murdered and dumped in a landfill.

SAPD said the section of the landfill has been closed off and they will begin an active search in that area for the body.

Homicide detectives have been assigned to the case.

Article:
http://www.kens5.com/news/bab-83722477.html
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Police Classify Baby Gabriel Case As Homicide
Procedural Step Taken To Move Forward With Landfill Search
POSTED: 2:32 pm MST February 6, 2010
<snipped>
During a news briefing on Saturday, police said it doesn't mean they think the 9-month-old boy is dead. They said the classification is a procedural step needed to move forward with a search of a Texas landfill.

A portion of the Tessman Road Landfill has been cordoned off based on where Gabriel was last seen on Dec. 26 in San Antonio.

Article:
http://www.kpho.com/news/22486917/detail.html
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SS, Tuba & all this may give an aprox. day LE may search the landfill!

When is it supposed to stop raining there?
I have my nephew's 18th birthday party to head to or I would check the weather there! :wink:
I'll check when I get back if no one else looked it up yet!

Missing Baby Case Turns to Homicide Investigation
Updated: Saturday, 06 Feb 2010, 3:36 PM MST
Published : Saturday, 06 Feb 2010, 3:36 PM MST
<snipped>
San Antonio Police Chief William McManus says they are classifying it as both a missing persons and a homicide case.

San Antonio Police have secured an area surrounding a landfill where they believe Gabriel's body might be. The search hasn't started yet, due to rain.

Article:
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/missing-baby-homicide-2-6-2010

:angel:

Austin Mommy
02-06-2010, 09:20 PM
I am in Austin and today was sunny and beautiful. The temp is suppposed to drop again tonght and they are calling for on and off again rain most of the week. Hopefully it will let up enough early in the week for them to search. This breaks my heart. I so want this little boy found alive!

Angel Who Cares
02-07-2010, 03:16 PM
Here's the outlook for the weather in San Austin, TX for the next 8 days! Would a chart be possible, this info, what would be the best day that LE should search or that Gabriel will be found there (I still have hope that he will be found safe & sound, but it's not looking good along with what the charts have already shown us! :cry:? TIA

It's looking like Tuesday, will be the 1st day that LE might be able to start searching the landfill.

2/7/10 - 2/14/10

http://www.pnsdigital.com/weather/widget_images/WSI/ant_daypt_07d/470_268_100207060922.jpeg

:angel:

Zoe Bogart
02-07-2010, 03:44 PM
San Austin? I know San Antonio and Austin are close to each other, but I didn't know they were that close. ;)

I just wish they would find this child. Can't believe his mother won't tell. Hard to believe so many of these young mothers are that heartless. Poor little child. Poor little children. :(

"Tammi Smith's Lawyer DOB etc.: Michael D. Kimerer (Member) born Yuba City, California, October 10, 1940"

Well what do you know, another Libra Sun attorney. Why am I not surprised?

Thanks, Angel. I found your map of the father's route to San Antonio, and it is the typical way to go, I-10. Been on it many times. Was just there recently and will be doing that road again in three months. That stretch from El Paso to the Border Patrol station about 125 miles south rides thisclose to the Mexican border. It's really quite desolate. Nothing really but mountain ranges, desert, and openness. Even the roads leading away from the interstate exits towards Mexico turn into dirt roads. It wouldn't be difficult to dump a baby, a child, or anyone out there and not be seen. If it weren't for the busy interstate highway, it would be downright spooky. But of course, we know the baby was in San Antonio at some point. Just thinking....

Angel Who Cares
02-08-2010, 02:45 AM
FYI: SS, Tuba, astrologers & All,
It looks like they may start to search the landfill as early as Monday 2/8/10!

According to this article & a video. It may be quoted in other videos, but I haven't finished watching them yet!

If I find out exactly when or what time they start to search the landfill, I'll let you know asap!

Police expected to search landfill for missing Tempe baby
Last Update: 2/07 11:19 pm
<snipped>
Weather permitting, the search is planned for Monday.

The announcement of a landfill search comes after detectives announced they are investigating the case as a kidnapping and homicide, allowing them to search for a body.
*More at link!

Video: Police now calling case of missing Tempe baby a homicide 2/7/10 2:00
http://www.abc15.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=26942@knxv.dayport.com&navCatId=3

Article:
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Police-expected-to-search-landfill-for-missing/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx

Update: Rain may hinder the search on Monday!

Gabriel Alive? Elizabeth Johnson Followed Blueprint For Texas Adoption
New Evidence Suggests The Accused Kidnapper Planned To Give Baby Gabriel Away
POSTED: 11:44 pm MST February 7, 2010
UPDATED: 12:28 am MST February 8, 2010
<snipped>
After talking to an adoption expert who helps the FBI in the world of underground adoptions, the McQueary family learned some startling connections. The Homegate Hotel where Elizabeth stayed is well known in adoption circles. Agencies put girls up there for meetings with families, and to complete paperwork.

“It just seems like it is a place that mothers go when they’re trying to give up their children,” said Lisa Peters.

The adoption expert, who didn't want to be identified, also had plenty to say about the San Antonio Six Flags. “Often girls go to Six Flags to meet with the adoptive family. There’s a lot of people in and out there, and there’s also security there, and it’s a safe place for both the mother and the family to meet, often to bring the child, introduce the child to the family,” said Lisa Peters.

But despite the latest evidence, it is still possible that Elizabeth Johnson carried out her claim that she killed Gabriel and threw his body in the trash. San Antonio police plan to search the nearby Tessman Road Landfill as early as Monday, but rain in the forecast could stall the beginning of that effort.
*More info at link!

VIDEO REPORT: Was Baby Gabriel Victim Of Underground Adoption? 2:49
The search for baby Gabriel gained momentum Sunday when new evidence surfaced that suggests it was Elizabeth Johnso...
http://www.kpho.com/video/22494329/index.html

Article:
http://www.kpho.com/news/22494558/detail.html

:angel:

Austin Mommy
02-08-2010, 10:23 AM
Well, there is rain across the state today, so the search will probably be delayed :(.

I did find the following article and it seems there is hope that Baby Gabriel is alive and a victim of illegal adoption. The hotel she stayed at in San Antonio is apparently well known in the underground adoption ring and the Six Flags park she was seen at is a common place for the "trade off". Let's keep praying this child is found alive!

http://www.kpho.com/news/22494558/detail.html

Angel Who Cares
02-08-2010, 12:10 PM
:wave: "Welcome To The Astrology Forum & WS's Austin Mommy & All New Members!"

http://www.yourspacenow.com/img/welcome120.gif

I apologize for my late welcome to you! :blushing:
Thanks sooooo much for your weather updates! :grouphug:



It's looking like it may be tomorrow before they can search the landfill. Plus they need to worry about toxic runoff associated with landfills & would need it to not rain for a certian amount of hrs, before they can probably start to search. IMO

:crossfingers: The best news would be that Logan finds Gabriel safe & sound.....not in a landfill.....like one too many other cases have ended!

It's time for us to have another happy ending! :prayer:
The last few weeks there has been one too many unhappy endings. :( :cry:

It does really helps to have locals posting, to help our astrologers & everyone, when they might have ?'s that may come up in a case....from the terrian, weather, crime areas, places of interest, etc. etc. etc. :blowkiss:

:hug:'s & :rose:'s
:angel:

Angel Who Cares
02-09-2010, 01:30 AM
I don't know if having only the dates, will be helpful or not, with no timestamp included for the ?'s I asked etc.! :crossfingers:

#1: I was wondering if on the Dec. 24, 2009, pizza delivery (for more than 1 person), if a chart would show that EJ was with company.......possibly by the names of Tammi & Jack, or Tammi & an unknown accompliance(sp)?

#2: Was this the day that IF she made a deal with an underground adoption agency that they all settled on the terms etc.? TIA

I understand if you don't have the time, or without having a timestamp for the pizza deliveries, that it wouldn't help to find "Our Little Angel Gabriel"! :blowkiss:

(Sorry fibro fog brain tonight....along with a case of painful wry neck again! :ouch:)



Evidence Shows Elizabeth Johnson Was Not Alone While On The Run
Food Receipts Suggest She Didn't Dine Alone
POSTED: 9:26 pm MST February 8, 2010
UPDATED: 9:59 pm MST February 8, 2010
<snipped>
There is strong evidence Monday that at least for one night on the run, Elizabeth Johnson was not alone with her baby Gabriel. Tabor Morris is a pizza delivery driver at Papa John's. He doesn't remember all of the people he caters, but something about Elizabeth Johnson stood out. “She was real skittish, she kept the door closed. I think she gave me a five or six dollar tip. Really nice lady. I think that’s why I pretty much remember her,” said Morris.

She may have soon slipped his mind if not for the flier posted in the restaurant. He said he knew right away that the woman in the photo was the same woman at the Homegate Hotel. He produced a receipt to CBS5 from Dec. 21 with the name Elizabeth and her room number 150.

But a second pizza order three days later may better help find Gabriel. The receipt, provided by Papa John's, also lists the name Elizabeth and room 150, but on Dec. 24, she ordered two pizzas, a medium and a large. They had a different assortment of toppings and seem to strongly suggest she was not eating alone.

McQueary has a meeting with investigators Tuesday, and they asked him to bring the receipts.
*More Info in the post in the Gabriel Astrology Timestamped Media Thread & as well as the article!

VIDEO REPORT: Pizza Delivery Driver Offers Clues 1:54
Pizza delivery driver gives CBS 5 News strong evidence that Elizabeth Johnson was not alone in a Texas hotel room.
http://www.kpho.com/video/22506247/index.html

Article:
http://www.kpho.com/news/22505785/detail.html

I'll edit any updates in the Timestamped post for the article....unless I feel it would be helpful for the ?'s I asked! :winko:

:angel:

mitzi
02-09-2010, 04:57 AM
I don't know if having only the dates, will be helpful or not, with no timestamp included for the ?'s I asked etc.! :crossfingers:

#1: I was wondering if on the Dec. 24, 2009, pizza delivery (for more than 1 person), if a chart would show that EJ was with company.......possibly by the names of Tammi & Jack, or Tammi & an unknown accompliance(sp)?

#2: Was this the day that IF she made a deal with an underground adoption agency that they all settled on the terms etc.? TIA

I understand if you don't have the time, or without having a timestamp for the pizza deliveries, that it wouldn't help to find "Our Little Angel Gabriel"! :blowkiss:

(Sorry fibro fog brain tonight....along with a case of painful wry neck again! :ouch:)



Evidence Shows Elizabeth Johnson Was Not Alone While On The Run
Food Receipts Suggest She Didn't Dine Alone
POSTED: 9:26 pm MST February 8, 2010
UPDATED: 9:59 pm MST February 8, 2010
<snipped>
There is strong evidence Monday that at least for one night on the run, Elizabeth Johnson was not alone with her baby Gabriel. Tabor Morris is a pizza delivery driver at Papa John's. He doesn't remember all of the people he caters, but something about Elizabeth Johnson stood out. “She was real skittish, she kept the door closed. I think she gave me a five or six dollar tip. Really nice lady. I think that’s why I pretty much remember her,” said Morris.

She may have soon slipped his mind if not for the flier posted in the restaurant. He said he knew right away that the woman in the photo was the same woman at the Homegate Hotel. He produced a receipt to CBS5 from Dec. 21 with the name Elizabeth and her room number 150.

But a second pizza order three days later may better help find Gabriel. The receipt, provided by Papa John's, also lists the name Elizabeth and room 150, but on Dec. 24, she ordered two pizzas, a medium and a large. They had a different assortment of toppings and seem to strongly suggest she was not eating alone.

McQueary has a meeting with investigators Tuesday, and they asked him to bring the receipts.
*More Info in the post in the Gabriel Astrology Timestamped Media Thread & as well as the article!

VIDEO REPORT: Pizza Delivery Driver Offers Clues 1:54
Pizza delivery driver gives CBS 5 News strong evidence that Elizabeth Johnson was not alone in a Texas hotel room.
http://www.kpho.com/video/22506247/index.html

Article:
http://www.kpho.com/news/22505785/detail.html

I'll edit any updates in the Timestamped post for the article....unless I feel it would be helpful for the ?'s I asked! :winko:

:angel:

How sad that it takes Logan investigating this pizza info to find leads...what has SA LE been doing all this time? Geesh!

Austin Mommy
02-09-2010, 10:36 AM
How sad that it takes Logan investigating this pizza info to find leads...what has SA LE been doing all this time? Geesh!

Mitzi, Welcome to a good dose of Texas mentality! LE in SA decided long ago that this was a homicide and that is how they are investigating it. Good for Logan taking things into his own hands and looking for his son! I am wondering why the driver didn't call police as soon as he made the connection between the flier and delivering the pizza to her room.

Perhaps she was meeting with the adoption contact that Tammi set her up with in SA? Possibly going over different families wanting to adopt baby Gabriel?

The weather is clear (but cold) here today, but it won't stay that way for long. Calling for more wet weather as early as tomorrow. They also expect it to be much colder than they called for earlier in the week....Freezing rain and sleet possible.

I feel in my heart this baby is not in the landfill, and if he is, I think it was an accidental overdose on Tylenol. I think adoption was her plan all along...let's hope it worked out that way and this sweet baby is found!

salvarenga
02-09-2010, 11:01 AM
Pizza Guy who made the delivery, Tabor Morris, is meeting with the FBI today at Noon Texas time. He posted this info on his Face Book. Still looking for a birthdate on him.

Does this count as an event and can we get an updated chart for Gabriel? If we keep waiting on the landfill search it may never happen with all the rain.

kappy50
02-09-2010, 11:02 AM
I read where there is sipoose to be a news conference in SA this am....with some new info....did not give a time...Just said Tuesday am....maybe updated infor about the pizza man is all they have...

Angel Who Cares
02-09-2010, 11:43 AM
FYI: Looks like they are searching the landfill today & a news conference coming this morning as well!

Landfill search underway in search for Tempe's baby Gabriel
Last Update: 9:26 am
<snipped>
A massive landfill search for a missing 9-month-old Tempe boy is now underway in Texas.

The landfill search is expected to take several days.

McManus said crews will first have to remove 45 feet of debris before getting to the area they've pinpointed as a search area.
*Much More At Link!

Article:
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Landfill-search-underway-in-search-for-Tempes/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx
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Missing baby Gabriel subject of police press conference
Feb. 9, 2010 08:53 AM
<snipped>
San Antonio Police Chief William McManus scheduled a news conference about an Arizona baby missing since Christmastime.

McManus announced Saturday that the case of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson was being treated as a homicide and that authorities would search a landfill as soon as weather allowed. Police said he would have an update on the case Tuesday morning, but offered no details.
Article:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/02/09/20100209missing-baby-gabriel-san-antonio09-ON.html
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Days & times that they will be searching the landfill are noted in this article! It may help you with your charts!

Landfill search for Arizona baby begins
Posted: 02/09/2010 11:17 CST
<snipped>
The search at the landfill was expected to involve at least six days of excavating, McManus said. Debris up to 45 feet deep was examined at the Tessman Road Landfill in the 7000 block of Interstate 10. The debris was moved to a separate secure search area, where cadaver dogs and search teams will review it, McManus said.

San Antonio Fire Department hazmat crews were on hand to guard against caustic runoff.

The search will be conducted from 7:30 a.m. to 6 p.m. weekdays.

Article:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/83896017.html

I'll add any new updates & videos in the Gabriel Astro Timestamped Media thread...* Check for updates there during the day!! :wink:

:angel:

salvarenga
02-09-2010, 01:46 PM
The video report of the pizza delivery, http://www.kpho.com/video/22506247/index.html, shows a picture of the receipts for the pizza purchase. It states that she ordered a pizza delivered by Tabor Morris on 12/21 and also 3 days later (12/24) she ordered the larger order for the two pizzas that was delivered by the driver that no longer works there. The receipt that is being shown in the report is for the larger order (12/24). It states that the "out time" is 7:01pm and the "elapsed time" was 12:23.

I took this to mean that on 12/24 Elizabeth placed an order for pizza around 6:45pm (San Antonio time). The order was out of the oven and ready to be delivered at 7:01pm.

Would these timestamps be helpful in producing any additional charts?

Tuba
02-09-2010, 02:47 PM
The chart for the search of Tessman Road Land Fill is done. I will be posting it shortly, right here.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/LaunchingLandfillSearchinSanAntonio.jpg

salvarenga
02-09-2010, 03:30 PM
The chart for the search of Tessman Road Land Fill is done. I will be posting it shortly, right here.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/LaunchingLandfillSearchinSanAntonio.jpg

Tuba - When you say "this will not be a fruitless search", do you mean they will find clues to help find Gabriel or they will find a dead baby Gabriel?

mitzi
02-09-2010, 04:06 PM
How sad that it takes Logan investigating this pizza info to find leads...what has SA LE been doing all this time? Geesh!

Mitzi, Welcome to a good dose of Texas mentality! LE in SA decided long ago that this was a homicide and that is how they are investigating it. Good for Logan taking things into his own hands and looking for his son! I am wondering why the driver didn't call police as soon as he made the connection between the flier and delivering the pizza to her room.
Perhaps she was meeting with the adoption contact that Tammi set her up with in SA? Possibly going over different families wanting to adopt baby Gabriel?

The weather is clear (but cold) here today, but it won't stay that way for long. Calling for more wet weather as early as tomorrow. They also expect it to be much colder than they called for earlier in the week....Freezing rain and sleet possible.

I feel in my heart this baby is not in the landfill, and if he is, I think it was an accidental overdose on Tylenol. I think adoption was her plan all along...let's hope it worked out that way and this sweet baby is found!

Bold mine.

Could it be that the Pizza joint had no flyer until Logan came into town? If so, that may be why the driver didn't notify LE immediately.

Austin Mommy
02-09-2010, 04:13 PM
Bold mine.

Could it be that the Pizza joint had no flyer until Logan came into town? If so, that may be why the driver didn't notify LE immediately.

I certainly hope so and given the swiftness of SA PD, I would not be surprised. :banghead:

Thank you Tuba for the chart on the dig! So glad to see some forward motion in this case from LE. Do you feel the baby is there from your chart?

Zoe Bogart
02-09-2010, 05:42 PM
So eerie to read about these "adoptions" and child-switching taking place at Six Flags. I know just the place where it probably happens. There is a nice seating area at the end of the main entrance, where the midway branches off to the various areas of the park. There is shelter there with lots of benches. I know because I parked myself there New Year"s Eve 2008 to get pictures of all the people passing by with all the holiday lights in the background. Now that it"s been mentioned, it would be the perfect rendezvoux location. Who would know?

Scary.


Note: for some reason, my computer is not letting me use apostrophes. Pardon my use of quotes instead.

Tuba
02-09-2010, 05:44 PM
In posts 189, 190 & 191 of the media doc. links, Angel reported that law enforcement is looking for evidence that will help in the investigation. Law enforcement has at other times said it is the baby's body being looked for. It is not for us to direct their choice of objective and I believe police have both goals in mind. It is certain that the search will bear fruit. Let's pray for the best result!

Mercury of the search chart is at the solstice point of Gabriel's Mercury. Any time either of those bodies is aspected, so is the other by reflex. For example, on Thursday February 18, the Sun enters Pisces where on Friday it reaches 1° sextiling the chart Moon. That means Mercury will be activated too because its solstice point is 1°08' Sagittarius, square that Sun. Mercury rules evidence in general always. In this chart, Mercury also rules Houses 4, 5 and intercepted 7. As you know, House 4 is real property and a parent, House 5 is children (including a baby) and intercepted 7 is a hidden matter, disguised, enclosed.

tiredblondy
02-10-2010, 01:11 AM
I admire you guys so much and often feel like questions I ask may be foolish but ask you to forgive me if so. I'd rather take a risk and ask.

Something I think may be significant that might have been overlooked is the break-in to the father's truck...Why take paperwork?

Could this be an Event that could be charted? I just feel it is significant, no matter what the Police say.

"The baby's father, Logan McQueary is in San Antonio to look for his son. McQueary suffered a setback in his search after his truck was broken into overnight. The truck was in the parking lot of the downtown hotel where McQueary is staying.

He told News 4 WOAI, thieves broke a window and stole his GPS device and some paperwork. Police do not believe there is reason to think that McQueary was targeted but McQueary said someone did tell him yesterday to "watch out." (underlining mine)

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Police-start-searching-for-Baby-Gabriel-in/rpmEkD2QQE23jYXnzfaZgg.cspx (http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Police-start-searching-for-Baby-Gabriel-in/rpmEkD2QQE23jYXnzfaZgg.cspx)

Tuba
02-10-2010, 11:12 AM
Logan has Mercury conjunct Neptune right at the beginning of Capricorn. True, transit Pluto is nearby but the Moon before dawn only had time to reach Logan's planets, not Pluto. The papers were the theft target. The lunar node that figured so prominently when Elizabeth took her bus trip to Florida and when she was apprehended, is right on Logan's Sun. That points to the adoption cartel.

Last night on Nancy Grace, a reporter local to San Antonio was definite in stating that the search began "last night", meaning February 8. If anyone in Texas knows a reliable news source for San Antonio, I would appreciate information correcting the time. My chart was based on 7:30 a.m. of the 9th. We will have another opportunity to get a correct time when the sorting begins (rather than this earth & trash moving).

If the search actually began on February 8, there should be a surprise coming out of hearings on Friday, February 12.

jnTexas
02-10-2010, 12:41 PM
San Antonio news stations

www.ksat.com

www.kens5.com

Tuba
02-11-2010, 10:59 AM
Eliz. Johnson said there was no point in her spilling information because she is facing hard time anyway for the charges of January 11. If she did make a transaction with an underground adoption cartel, my imagination has it that she was sworn to secrecy and that threats accompanied that term of the "contract". I think the broker would have added an explanation of all the consequences for divulging facts about the adoption, so-called. He would have told Eliz. the assurances given the parents-to-be that their identity & everything pertaining to it would be protected. He would have warned her that his part in the transaction must never be revealed or the whole bargain would come undone and there would be retribution. All of this does fit the chart I submitted except that Pluto ruled House 8. House 8 could represent a sex ring but it does not represent other people's money paid to Eliz. There is not evidence of that.

At Friday's hearing, the prosecutor may spell out to this woman the elevation of charges pending now that the case is a homicide investigation. The prosecutor would make clear that there are penalties and then there are penalties. She may then weigh her decision differently.

Austin Mommy
02-11-2010, 03:47 PM
Kinda figured this but the search is on hold for the rain. It is supposed to continue heavily through the day and ease up by tomorrow morning.

Tonight
RainHigh39Low 343934 Rain
Cloudy with rain ending overnight. Some sleet may mix in. Low 34F. Winds N at 5 to 10 mph. Rainfall around a quarter of an inch.


Precipitation

100%
Sunset: 6:16 PM

Tomorrow
Partly CloudyHigh49Low324932 Partly Cloudy
Morning clouds will give way to sunshine for the afternoon. High 49F. Winds NNW at 5 to 10 mph.


Precipitation

10%
Sunrise: 7:14 AM

Tomorrow night
ClearHigh49Low 324932 Clear
Clear. Low 32F. Winds light and variable.


Precipitation

0%
Sunset: 6:16 PM

Hopefully this will be a one day delay only.

In response to Tuba's earlier question on when the dig actually began, there are several companies volunteering time and equipment for this search and the spokeswoman for the company doing the excavation of the top debris stated they started on Tuesday.

The company that is volunteering to help with the sifting of evidence is hoping to start on Tuesday. Let's keep our finger crossed and prayers going that they find valuable evidence, but NOT little Gabriel.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/84136547.html

Zoe Bogart
02-12-2010, 11:35 AM
When reading Logan's vehicle was broken into, I assumed it was the people involved in the illegal adoption ring. Taking papers would mean someone is trying to coverup, making it difficult for Logan to make his claims without having to go back to the original sources to get new documents: birth certificates, court orders, vehicle registration, etc. All of this puts a damper into his search, thereby, making it extremely frustrating and time-consuming to get the paperwork he needs.

I learned a long time ago, when traveling, always bring your items of value into the hotel room with you at night. Never leave them inside the vulnerable vehicles outside. I've seen too many times where people's precious possessions were stolen while they slept. Yes, sometimes dragging those things inside makes a big production, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

Now there is the new information about the green diaper bag not being found but all of Gabriel's things being left behind in the hotel room. This really doesn't sound good at all. Could the illegal adoption have fallen through and the frustrated EJ done something drastic to the innocent child? Even if the illegal adoption didn't take place, the people involved would want it hushed.

Green diaper bag info:
http://www.kens5.com/news/Exclusive-Police-search-for-green-bag-with-Gabriel-Johnsons-body-84220907.html

I'm not liking this one bit. Didn't the charts say an illegal adoption was the original focus but something else more dire could happened eventually?

So someone ransacked Logan's apartment in AZ and now has stolen things out of his vehicle? All sounds highly connected to me. Back to look at those charts more closely.......

Thanks Tuba, Angel, AustinMommy, for all the updates and information.


Here's Tuba post and chart about disturbing aspects

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - GABRIEL JOHNSON last seen San Antonio, TX

I worry about Gabriel's MARS/PLUTO midpoint at 20:46 Aquarius. Notice TFPS's natal MARS squares that midpoint and Event MARS 19 Leo opposes it. Little Gabriel's Tertiary Progressed SUN at 21 Taurus is involved, under vicious attack. A kidnapping would be the best case scenario........And from Soulscape's post # 10"
Yes, I believe the baby is in a very dangerous situation. He needs to found, the sooner the better.Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - GABRIEL JOHNSON last seen San Antonio, TX


And this post of the babysitter visit, possible dates in question:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - GABRIEL JOHNSON last seen San Antonio, TX


All these are coming from the early posts of this thread, but I deem them important enough to bring your attention to them once more.

Could this child have possibly died from a drug overdose, therefore, the adoption fell through? Could something have happened at the Six Flags park making the adoption nun and void? The child appeared sickly or drugged so the adoptive folks said, "No way"?

Austin Mommy
02-12-2010, 12:32 PM
This case just gets worse and worse. The missing diaper bag has me completely sick to my stomach. I truly don't think it was EJ's intention to kill her child when she left....Is it possible she gave the bag to the "adoptive" parents or "adoption" ring with supplies for little Gabriel?

Another worry for me...with all of the break-ins on Logan (which I do not believe are coincidence), I am worried that whoever has him will harm him in order to protect themselves (no baby, no evidence of wrong-doing). Anyone else feeling this?:sick:

On a happier note, TS was indiced by a grand jury on Tuesday. She is scheduled to appear again on Mar. 9.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/150587

I just don't understand how mothers can write off their own children and place them in dangerous situations for their own gain. As I put my own son to sleep last night and looked at his angelic face (aren't they all when they're sleeping), I tried to understand this mentality, and thankfully, I can not fathom. :twocents:

Zoe Bogart
02-12-2010, 12:50 PM
Thanks for the link, Autsin_Mommy.

What I found terribly upsetting about the diaper bag report are that the things belonging to the child were left in the hotel room, plus there have been NO SIGHTINGS of this child. Even the poor little deceased Caylee Anthony had many, many sightings reported, albeit, many at the instigation of her grandmother, imo.

No sightings. None. Surely someone would have made some sort of claim. There are no infants anywhere who vaguely resemble the child? Or is no one looking?

justaparent
02-12-2010, 04:24 PM
I suspect adoptive parents in a situation like this would want absolutely none of a child's belongings -- too much chance of someone remembering seeing someone with specific items.

If (a big if) she did give (read: sell) Gabriel to someone, he was possibly delivered with only the clothes he was wearing.

Babies can look so similar at that age. Put a hat on him, put him in girl's clothes -- I look at his little face every day and still doubt I would recognize him in a different setting.

Angel Who Cares
02-13-2010, 04:04 PM
Tuba, SS & all
You may find some useful dates & info from this article! :yes:

Tammi Peters Smith: Marriages & Criminal Record
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2697549/tammi_peters_smith_marriages_criminal.html?cat=9

I was shocked to find out Tammi gave up custody of 3 of her own children! :eek:
At the age of 17 she gave up custody, from her already 2nd marriage & divorce!

She was only 17, but still am very surprised that she did this.
Could this be why she was so persisitent with Logan to give away Gabriel to her? TIA

That it isn't that hard to do in her eyes...that life goes on & that it's not really a big deal at all!!
She did it so he could do it too!! :furious: IMO

She has been married 5x's & divorced 4x's! I'm begining to wonder if dear ole husband Jack will end up divorcee #5! He may want to flee if all of this Tammi's idea to try to get custody of Gabriel etc. etc. etc.

If he wasn't in full support of Tammi's friendship & dealings with Elizabeth, I wonder now how thier marraige if going right now or if it will last after this is over? TIA

I have it posted in the Astrolgy Gabriel Timestamped Thread for your reference, but didn't want you to miss it.
I'm hoping some of the info will be helpful in finding Gabriel & learning more about Tammi! :crossfingers:

:angel:

Austin Mommy
02-18-2010, 10:25 AM
It looks like the will begin sifting through the garbage from the landfill this morning. I will try to find an exact time started. Logan is also talking about a $20K ruby ring that Elizabeth had on her when she was arrested. Apparently the grandfather is denies any knowledge of it, but I remember him saying that one of the items she wanted him to get back from the police was an expensive ring when she called him from the jail (I will search for that article again and post a link). The article states that expensive jewlery is harder to track and is often used as payment in these types of adoptions.

http://www.kens5.com/news/Baby-Gabriels-father-Expensive-ring-may-prove-son-is-alive-and-adopted-84694897.html


Found the grandfather article

http://www.kpho.com/news/22256806/detail.html


Found an article giving the time that Phase II began (7:30 A.M.) ...is this chartable?

http://www.kvue.com/news/state/Digging-complete-now-SAPD-set-to-sift-through-trash-in-search-of-Baby-Gabriel-84696177.html

Tuba
02-18-2010, 03:47 PM
That was good of you to locate the time the actual search through the trash began. I will use it. Ordinarily a second chart would definitely NOT be cast because the horoscope of the launch, phases one & two, would cover all action and result. Here, we know that a field reporter on the ground in San Antonio divulged that phase one actually began the night of February 8 (see post #88). He did not provide a time, however, so all we knew was that the chart for February 9 was a day late--not good. It is not an event when the launch of earth moving was already underway. Now we have a correct time and date, thanks to you.

I am going to post in the general thread about "matters already begun" and then I will cast the chart for the trash search. Thanks again!

justaparent
02-18-2010, 04:22 PM
News reports today mention a $20,000 ruby ring found on EJ when she was arrested, something that Logan has disclosed but I hadn't read in any other reports, and maybe something LE didn't want spread around.

Do charts show that gifts might be associated with the time in Texas?

I of course don't know if those reports are true. KENS 5 TV station.

Tuba
02-18-2010, 06:40 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/SiftingRefuseatTessman001.jpg

Developments should occur in a while or pretty soon. The situation is in flux and will change sharply.

Khristi
02-19-2010, 03:43 PM
I think Raymond Russel County Park may have a lot do with it. She stated she gave the baby away to a couple there, thus hiding the fact that she killed the baby there. The baby's death sign is water, so he may be in water in the park, possibly the lake. I feel he will also be found near water, trees, brushes, and the baby being blue may indicate she saw him turn blue when she drowned him. Can someone do a chart on Raymond Russell County Park? Is that where he is? Unfortunately.... his death is associated with water.. My God,evil exist in the world....

salvarenga
02-19-2010, 04:34 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/SiftingRefuseatTessman001.jpg

Developments should occur in a while or pretty soon. The situation is in flux and will change sharply.

Tuba -

I am confused. I thought the outlook for the baby being found alive was still good. Are you now saying that the baby is dead?

Please forgive me if I am interpreting this incorrectly.

Thanks-
Sal

Tuba
02-19-2010, 07:19 PM
The Moon in Aries is approaching the Part of Fortune in the Second House. This indicates a helpful item will be found and before long. The Part of Fortune is not, in this case, describing a body or body part. But what is that square to the Moon's node at 19:03 Capricorn? That occurs before Moon reaches the Part of Fortune. It is tragic but in what way? That could represent Gabriel because the Moon rules the House of the child and the baby.

As said earlier, the police are pursuing this on two tracks: locating a body or locating evidence. You refuse to give up hope and so do I. This landfill search chart is not the one that frightens me and gives me pause. That would be the chart for Elizabeth Johnson's bus trip away from San Antonio. The analysis for that event horoscope is in the thread. It is possible that Pluto, found with the baby, is an underground cartel for so called adoptions but why is that Pluto the ruler of House 8? That is key. One hope is that she did receive payment of a sort but that it was not in money and therefore does not register as cash coming in, income. No money payment is shown.

Angel Who Cares
02-19-2010, 08:53 PM
Tuba,

Would it help if we could find out what day & time the lg pizza order was delivered to EJ at the hotel? I'm not sure if I can get this info, but I can try to see if it can be told or is known!

:angel:

butterfly1978
02-19-2010, 09:27 PM
The Moon in Aries is approaching the Part of Fortune in the Second House. This indicates a helpful item will be found and before long. The Part of Fortune is not, in this case, describing a body or body part. But what is that square to the Moon's node at 19:03 Capricorn? That occurs before Moon reaches the Part of Fortune. It is tragic but in what way? That could represent Gabriel because the Moon rules the House of the child and the baby.

As said earlier, the police are pursuing this on two tracks: locating a body or locating evidence. You refuse to give up hope and so do I. This landfill search chart is not the one that frightens me and gives me pause. That would be the chart for Elizabeth Johnson's bus trip away from San Antonio. The analysis for that event horoscope is in the thread. It is possible that Pluto, found with the baby, is an underground cartel for so called adoptions but why is that Pluto the ruler of House 8? That is key. One hope is that she did receive payment of a sort but that it was not in money and therefore does not register as cash coming in, income. No money payment is shown.

I have read alot, so I can not link you to where I read this at but, I read that EJ had a $20,000 ring on her when she was arrested.

b4e
02-19-2010, 11:29 PM
Tuba,

Would it help if we could find out what day & time the lg pizza order was delivered to EJ at the hotel? I'm not sure if I can get this info, but I can try to see if it can be told or is known!

:angel:

EJ had one medium pizza delivered (to the Homegate) on December 21 and two more pizzas (a medium and a large) delivered on the 24th.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22505785/detail.html

The larger order, on the 24th, left Papa John's at 7:01pm.

A screen grab of the pizza receipts can be found here:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Evidence? Pizza Delivery

Zoe Bogart
02-19-2010, 11:33 PM
For the articles about the ring, check the TimeStamped thread. Lots of info there, plus links.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94323&page=10

Beginning with post # 242.

danisisa
02-21-2010, 11:12 PM
Tuba--IS it possible that this was staged to look like a Cartel related Underground Adoption in hopes that LM would give up searching?

Tuba
02-22-2010, 10:44 AM
My own thought on this is that since Elizabeth Johnson was still indicating to Logan as she began her bus trip out of San Antonio that she killed their son, she wanted Logan to believe that. She told him that on the phone and then, on the bus trip, texted the same message. All the involvement with the shadow figures that we know about from a variety of sources was clandestine rather than displayed. None of it was for Logan's benefit and she would not even be aware that any of it was noticed.
In fact, she led him to believe a search of the "garbage" would prove her horror story to be true.

danisisa
02-22-2010, 10:49 AM
I should of added more....What I meant to say was so Logan would not search....I was just wondering if maybe it was to appear to be cartel related, but was an underground adoption, but not through an actual cartel.

Tuba
02-22-2010, 11:30 AM
Okay, I see the distinction you are making. Unfortunately, what that chart on the trip out shows is that she either committed the act as recounted or that she dealt Gabriel to an underworld cartel. There are certainly shades of legal innocence and guilt in secret adoptions. The adoption that would have come about here used a broker who did this as a business which flouted the law. Any such outfit, operating illegally on a regular basis, would also have fortifications in place and that spells big trouble.

danisisa
02-25-2010, 06:32 PM
Tuba-

It has been confirmed by MissingGabe that AU babysat G on December 21, 2009 beginning at 11:45am.

Is there any way we can get a chart?

FifthEssence
02-25-2010, 11:40 PM
Tuba-

It has been confirmed by MissingGabe that AU babysat G on December 21, 2009 beginning at 11:45am.

Is there any way we can get a chart?


Can you please provide us with the link that 'confirms' the time the sitter arrived?

Early on, there were so many different dates and times quoted in the news and on NG. I know SOULSCAPE did 4 different charts using a few of the times. See post # 24 but none are for 12/21 @ 11:45am.

Soulscape
02-26-2010, 02:42 PM
The 12/21/2009 @ 11:45 am chart is quite similar to the 'Possible Arrival of Babysitter #4' chart (12/23/2009 @ 11:45 am) I discussed in Post #24 on page 1 of this thread, and most of my previous commentary applies.

There are some subtle differences in the 12/21/2009 chart, however, which I will note below:



http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/ArrivalofBabysitter12-21-09.gif





1. ASCENDANT degree = 13 Pisces, exactly sextile Gabriel's natal SUN 13 Taurus.

2. The MARS/NEPTUNE midpoint (poisoning from drugs) as in the previous 'Possible Arrival' charts, remains at 21 Taurus, partile conjunct Gabriel's Tertiary Progressed SUN 21 Taurus. In the 12/21 chart, however, Gabriel's natal MARS/NEPTUNE midpoint (17 Pisces) is exactly on the chart's EQ (a secondary Ascendant).

3. SUN at 29:59 Sagittarius brilliantly describes both the 'late arrival' of the Babysitter and the imminent change in the situation (because SUN changes signs entering Capricorn in literally two minutes). Consider what Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson has to say about SUN in CAPRICORN/ 10th House:

This is the house of official business as well as private and commercial enterprise, all conducted without feeling as a matter of expediency... the SUN here with a malefic means unfavorable public notice....

This gives an interesting insight into Eliz.'s upcoming plans and supports the theory she was planning a 'business deal' --- to give/sell/trade Gabriel / exchange him for money/something of value (SUN conj. PLUTO in Capricorn, in the 10th). It also clearly foreshadowed public dismay several days later, upon the public's notification that Baby Gabriel was missing and possibly murdered.

It also gives a confirmation Eliz. had no maternal feelings whatsoever for this child; he was simply a business deal. An interesting, multi-layered testimony, especially in light of the $20,000 ring she supposedly was so concerned over when arrested.

As Tuba reminded us, there are really only two things that could have ultimately happened: either Eliz. did exactly what she said she did in her text and call to Logan, or she delivered the Baby to/ through some underground connection (Pluto), likely in exchange for the $20K ring. All the charts are testifying to these two scenarios; the earlier charts more strongly towards the 'selling the baby' angle.

But back to the initial reason for the analysis of the Babysitter charts: had Gabriel been medicated? This chart, so similar to the other 'Possible Arrival' charts we explored in Post #24, certainly suggests he had been.

Notice in this chart, MOON 27 Aquarius has recently separated from the JUPITER-NEPTUNE-CHIRON conjunction (22-24 Aquarius). JUPITER & NEPTUNE co-rule Pisces, the sign on ASCENDANT. Pisces and NEPTUNE are highly associated with drugs/ medication, and JUPITER expands everything it touches, thus over-medication. CHIRON wounds, thus the over-medication hurt the baby. Other testimonies applicable to this chart as well as the 'Potential Arrival' charts were previously discussed in Post #24 on page 1 of this Thread.

Note also:

1. CERES as Babysitter, posited at 00 Sagittarius in this chart, shows the new situation (zero degrees): Babysitter's first (and now we know only) introduction to baby Gabriel, confirmed by the square to MOON (Gabriel) which shows contact and not anything evil.

2. SUN as Babysitter (Lord 6 of caretakers) sextiles MOON (Gabriel), so Babysitter's two hour interlude with the child was helpful/beneficial to him. Only in her care a short while, she managed to comfort him. MARS RX in the Babysitter's 1st H (radix 6) shows major trouble ahead but because MARS is RX hiding his motivations/actions, Babysitter, at that time, did not realize how dire the situation was becoming.

MARS rules the radix 2nd House, turned 10th of the 5th House Child -- in other words, Gabriel's mother, Elizabeth. FORTUNE is with her. Lord Turned 10th of the 5th House Child MARS RX is posited in the Babysitter's 1st House (radix 6th House) showing Eliz. sought the babysitter out/ contracted her services.

There are two more things I want to point out about MARS in this chart as significator of Elizabeth:

1. MARS RX at 19:41 Leo is on retrograde degree one minute of Arc from exact and, going forward through March 10, 2010, will be (apparently) traveling backwards, away from 20 Leo, the degree of the Part of Death in Gabriel's natal (sunrise) chart. Could this possibly be a subtle indication she did not kill him?

2. The Antiscion of MARS is 10 Taurus, partile conjunct the Part of FORTUNE in Eliz.'s 1st House (radix House 2), emphasizing that luck was with her. 10 Taurus, however, is also partile square Baby Gabriel's natal (sunrise) Part of PERIL 10 Leo, highlighting, perhaps, just how much danger the poor child was in...



Thanks,
Soulscape

Toi
02-26-2010, 05:41 PM
I thought the sitter came that night not during the daylight hours. Tks Soulscape.

BeanE
02-27-2010, 02:31 PM
I think December 27 at 8:00am might be a very revealing time for a chart. It is at that time that Elizabeth was under the impression that she had to give Gabe to Logan for his joint custody time.

Note that time falls within the window in which Gabe disappeared, which was between approx noon on December 26 and sometime during the morning of December 27.

December 26th was a build-up of pressure and frustration for Elizabeth, as she was receiving phone calls telling her that her plan would not work, that she had to return to Arizona, that she had to deal legally with Logan, facing him in a court of law on December 28. This headstrong girl, prone to fits of extreme rage, was being told that she could not do what she wanted to do, what she was determined to do.

As Elizabeth's frustration mounted during this time period, if we seek a time at which it was most likely that she'd have herself, Logan, and Gabe on her mind, I believe it would have been at that moment at which she was to do that which she least wanted to do - hand Gabriel to his father.

Whether whatever act that separated her from Gabe had already been enacted, or was immediately impending, I think at that exact time, 8:00am, would be when her emotions were most raw, and she was most open to exposing her deepest inner feelings.

If a chart could be done for that date and time, I would be most interested in seeing it and the related interpretations.

Thank you,
BeanE

Soulscape
02-27-2010, 10:27 PM
BeanE, did an actual Event occur on 12/27/09 at 8:00 am? If it did, the chart produced suggests the baby had already been murdered. If this date and time does not reflect a valid Event, we may be needlessly further upsetting ourselves...

===============

In a Missing Person case, the critical Key Charts are the Last Seen and Reported Missing to Police. In this case, most unfortunately, we do not have a Last Seen time and only know that Gabriel was Last Seen on Saturday 12/26/09 at a San Antonio park. The lack of a valid Last Seen Time frustrates us to no end and hampers our work.

Logan reported the death threat to Gabriel / Eliz.'s murder confession (text and phone call from Eliz.) on 12/27/09 at 1:05 pm. That chart perfectly and chillingly mirrors her 'story' that she murdered the baby.




http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/LoganFilesPoliceReport.gif




The 'story' is represented by House 3, Gemini, ruled by MERCURY at 21:39 Rx Capricorn, exactly conjunct the Arabic Part of FATALITY and posited in the 10th House of What Comes Before the Public Eye. MERCURY the Story is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES) indicating a catastrophe/ tragedy/ fatality, and HADES, a death marker is posited within the 3rd House of Information/Fact/Rumor separating quindecile MIDHEAVEN (a death aspect).

MARS Lord 1 (Eliz.) is found at 19 Leo Rx in the 5th House of the Child, one degree from the Part of DEATH in Gabriel's natal sunrise chart. MARS (Eliz.) inconjuncts MERCURY (the 'story') which could suggest the 'story' is not true, particularly in light of the fact that we have a mutable (lying) sign on the 3rd House and Lord 3 MERCURY is in a cardinal sign (rather than fixed).

SUN representing Gabriel (Lord 5) separates from SATURN & PLUTO afflictions (death) and separates sesquiquadrate MARS (Eliz.), seemingly confirming past contact of violent nature.

MOON as Gabriel's co-ruler at 13 Taurus is besieged (trapped) between URANUS and MARS (sudden violence). Note this MOON position is partile conjunct Gabriel's natal SUN. MOON (Gabriel) squares MARS (Eliz.) and separates from a square to BLACK MOON LILITH, the murdering mother.

While the statement I have bolded in red above gives me a shred of hope, unfortunately, the severity of the death markers makes this chart, for this astrologer, 'too close to call.'


Thanks,
Soulscape

BeanE
02-27-2010, 10:59 PM
BeanE, did an actual Event occur on 12/27/09 at 8:00 am? If it did, the chart produced suggests the baby had already been murdered. If this date and time does not reflect a valid Event, we may be needlessly further upsetting ourselves...

===============

In a Missing Person case, the critical Key Charts are the Last Seen and Reported Missing to Police. In this case, most unfortunately, we do not have a Last Seen time and only know that Gabriel was Last Seen on Saturday 12/26/09 at a San Antonio park. The lack of a valid Last Seen Time frustrates us to no end and hampers our work.

Logan reported the death threat to Gabriel / Eliz.'s murder confession (text and phone call from Eliz.) on 12/27/09 at 1:05 pm. That chart perfectly and chillingly mirrors her 'story' that she murdered the baby.

The 'story' is represented by House 3, Gemini, ruled by MERCURY at 21:39 Rx Capricorn, exactly conjunct the Arabic Part of FATALITY and posited in the 10th House of What Comes Before the Public Eye. MERCURY the Story is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES) indicating a catastrophe/ tragedy/ fatality, and HADES, a death marker is posited within the 3rd House of Information/Fact/Rumor separating quindecile MIDHEAVEN (a death aspect).

MARS Lord 1 (Eliz.) is found at 19 Leo Rx in the 5th House of the Child, one degree from the Part of DEATH in Gabriel's natal sunrise chart. MARS (Eliz.) inconjuncts MERCURY (the 'story') which could suggest the 'story' is not true, particularly in light of the fact that we have a mutable (lying) sign on the 3rd House and Lord 3 MERCURY is in a cardinal sign (rather than fixed).

SUN representing Gabriel (Lord 5) separates from SATURN & PLUTO afflictions (death) and separates sesquiquadrate MARS (Eliz.), seemingly confirming past contact of violent nature.

MOON as Gabriel's co-ruler at 13 Taurus is besieged (trapped) between URANUS and MARS (sudden violence). Note this MOON position is partile conjunct Gabriel's natal SUN. MOON (Gabriel) squares MARS (Eliz.) and separates from a square to BLACK MOON LILITH, the murdering mother.

While the statement I have bolded in red above gives me a shred of hope, unfortunately, the severity of the death markers makes this chart, for this astrologer, 'too close to call.'


Thanks,
Soulscape

Thank you, Soulscape. I don't know if an event occurred at that time. I am in touch with the family, and I will ask if perhaps there was a phone call or text message or something else that occurred at that time with a verified time.

Soulscape
02-27-2010, 11:16 PM
Thank you, Soulscape. I don't know if an event occurred at that time. I am in touch with the family, and I will ask if perhaps there was a phone call or text message or something else that occurred at that time with a verified time.

The last evidence of Gabe being alive is the hotel pictures that were date stamped December 26. Gabe was not seen at a park or elsewhere on that date.

Whereas we know that Gabe was alive that day from the hotel pictures, if I could provide the last date and time that he was actually seen alive, would that be helpful? Or would that not matter since we know from the pictures he was alive on that date? I doubt we can get it down to the exact minute, but I believe we can get it within 5 minutes or so either way.

Would the time the hotel pictures were taken be helpful?

Thank you for doing this chart, Soulscape. I started several times to post to ask for this chart - that date and time have been on my mind for some time - but I could not bring myself to ask. Thank you for your sensitivity.




BeanE,

Yes! A Last Seen Time of within 5 minutes would be very helpful, as would little Gabriel's true time and place of birth, if that is something the family would be willing to provide...

Thank you for your hard work & commitment,
Soulscape

whovillebaby
02-28-2010, 11:58 PM
Elizabeth Johnson.....Sociopath?
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Boyscout
03-01-2010, 09:32 AM
Thank you, Soulscape. I don't know if an event occurred at that time. I am in touch with the family, and I will ask if perhaps there was a phone call or text message or something else that occurred at that time with a verified time.

Was Gabriel last seen on the video camera at Six Flags where Elizabeth may have done the exchange? I know she was seen and I think Gabriel was with her but not positive. Since Soulscape is in touch with family please check to see if he was on camera and that it occured after the hotel pictures. Thank you.

FifthEssence
03-01-2010, 01:55 PM
Was Gabriel last seen on the video camera at Six Flags where Elizabeth may have done the exchange? I know she was seen and I think Gabriel was with her but not positive. Since Soulscape is in touch with family please check to see if he was on camera and that it occured after the hotel pictures. Thank you.



It is BeanE who is in touch with the family, NOT Soulscape.

As far as we know, the absolute confirmed last place seen was at the hotel, not the park. Although it was reported, some people believe they saw her there, LE has not indicated the park sightings as fact.

Boyscout
03-01-2010, 05:38 PM
I caught that after I had already logged out that it was BeanE and not Soulscape and then got busy at work. My bad. I wish I knew how to read charts like Soulscape and Tuba. How do you learn? I so want to know how to do this myself.

My hope is that the Six Flags video is fact and that it was after the hotel pics. If you can find out BeanE, I would really like it verified if we are allowed to know. I want the baby back alive so badly.

Boyscout
03-01-2010, 06:01 PM
I just read this off a news site on the internet:

Johnson and Gabriel were spotted on surveillance footage outside the Six Flags on Dec. 26, the same day she took the last known photos of Gabriel in the Homegate hotel room. That was also just two days after she posted two comments on her MySpace page stating, "Where there's a will, there's a way" and "Excited to start my new life."

Logan stated in the article that the footage at Six Flags exists. Times are not given. I am sure they have a time for the Six Flags but I can't find it anywhere published. The time the hotel pictures were taken are probably unknown since digital cameras I don't think go that far with information.

I don't know if the date EJ posted those comments on Myspace constitute an event.

Also, when I said I wish I could read charts like Soulscape and Tuba, I meant to say develop them and read them for I can't do either but I love to read whatever these two post.

I thank both of you for
doing the charts and interpreting them for us.

FifthEssence
03-01-2010, 08:20 PM
snippet:
I wish I knew how to read charts like Soulscape and Tuba. How do you learn? I so want to know how to do this myself.




Good to hear you have a genuine interest and curiousity in Astrology. If you stroll over to our LIBRARY, you will find many internet sources of info including some wonderful books to teach you the necessary basics. ( I've picked up many of them inexpensively-used condition-on Ebay and Amazon ) This way, as our Astros do their chart analysis, you'll feel more connected and have a better understanding as to how these charts reveal specific forensic clues.

Enjoy your reading!

LINK: Astrologers LIBRARY - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

BeanE
03-02-2010, 09:04 AM
I caught that after I had already logged out that it was BeanE and not Soulscape and then got busy at work. My bad. I wish I knew how to read charts like Soulscape and Tuba. How do you learn? I so want to know how to do this myself.

My hope is that the Six Flags video is fact and that it was after the hotel pics. If you can find out BeanE, I would really like it verified if we are allowed to know. I want the baby back alive so badly.

The Questions for the Family thread in Gabe's forum in the Missing/Located forum has information provided to us by Gabe's family.

Gabe's family no longer believes that Elizabeth or Gabe were at Six Flags, or that LE has video.

I posted about this in the Questions for the Family thread on Feb 10.

There's a lot of rumor, speculation, and inaccuracy in reporting on Gabe's case. We're fortunate that his family shares the facts and accurate information with us.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions, and please feel free to post any questions you have for Gabe's family in the Questions for the Family thread.

Thank you for caring about Gabe!

BeanE

Gabe's forum:
Gabriel Johnson - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Boyscout
03-02-2010, 09:59 AM
Thank you, I have been interested in it for a long time and always wanted my chart done. I had once checked out a book from the library that was a little useful and I was able to figure some things out about myself and my son since I knew our dates and time of birth and latitude/longitude. I am so excited to have found this website. If it weren't for interest in finding Gabriel I would have never have found it.

Boyscout
03-02-2010, 10:03 AM
The Questions for the Family thread in Gabe's forum in the Missing/Located forum has information provided to us by Gabe's family.

Gabe's family no longer believes that Elizabeth or Gabe were at Six Flags, or that LE has video.

I posted about this in the Questions for the Family thread on Feb 10.

There's a lot of rumor, speculation, and inaccuracy in reporting on Gabe's case. We're fortunate that his family shares the facts and accurate information with us.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions, and please feel free to post any questions you have for Gabe's family in the Questions for the Family thread.

Thank you for caring about Gabe!

BeanE

Gabe's forum:
Gabriel Johnson - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=380)


This makes me sad. Thank you though for enlightening me.

delaney
03-02-2010, 05:00 PM
My Phoenix kid just told me she saw a commercial on CBS KPHO that

Allison Dubois will be on the news this evening talking about the Gabriel

Johnson case. If you google KPHO Dubios the information is there, I can't

remember how to link. I'll post this on the main forum if I can find a

thread to put it on.

FifthEssence
03-02-2010, 10:51 PM
BOYSCOUT, your inquiry has been moved to our Astro GENERAL Thread.

Forensic Astrology - GENERAL - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


ps: questions about astrology ( not related to a specific case ) belong in that thread.

Soulscape
03-03-2010, 08:37 PM
My Phoenix kid just told me she saw a commercial on CBS KPHO that

Allison Dubois will be on the news this evening talking about the Gabriel

Johnson case. If you google KPHO Dubios the information is there, I can't

remember how to link. I'll post this on the main forum if I can find a

thread to put it on.


Ms. Dubois senses that Gabriel is alive and will be found. I pray to God she is right.


Thanks,
Soulscape

Khristi
03-04-2010, 02:17 AM
I watched the clip with Allison Dubois also and I interpret it as being ugly, vindictive mean Elizabeth killed him for revenge. She felt sick looking at his picture, as I feel she felt him being murdered, being attacked, and not being able to defend himself as he is a baby, she is an adult, no match. She says he will found within this year, but I sense that he will found dead, possibly by cadaver dogs. The clip leaves it open to interpretation what happened, but I interpret as the baby being killed for revenge, being found this year, but not alive. And not found in landfill. We can hope, but I think the grim reality he is not with us. I feel he is at the park, was drowned, and is in water or possibly a shed or building nearby, hidden. We all interpret differently, and we all pray for the best for this poor baby. Can we do a chart for Gabriel on Dec. 26th at 11:30 pm or midnight?

Soulscape
03-04-2010, 09:45 AM
I watched the clip with Allison Dubois also and I interpret it as being ugly, vindictive mean Elizabeth killed him for revenge. She felt sick looking at his picture, as I feel she felt him being murdered, being attacked, and not being able to defend himself as he is a baby, she is an adult, no match. She says he will found within this year, but I sense that he will found dead, possibly by cadaver dogs. The clip leaves it open to interpretation what happened, but I interpret as the baby being killed for revenge, being found this year, but not alive. And not found in landfill. We can hope, but I think the grim reality he is not with us. I feel he is at the park, was drowned, and is in water or possibly a shed or building nearby, hidden. We all interpret differently, and we all pray for the best for this poor baby. Can we do a chart for Gabriel on Dec. 26th at 11:30 pm or midnight?


Khristi,

The critical (key) charts in any Missing Person case would be the Last Seen and Reported Missing to Police. Unfortunately, we still do not have a legitimate Last Seen Time (although BeanE is trying to secure it).

If you review my post #117 on previous page of this thread you will note I spoke of severity of death markers in the Report to Police Chart. What gave me pause was the astrological testimony suggesting what Eliz. 'said' (3rd house, MERCURY) may have been false.

In pertinent part:



MARS Lord 1 (Eliz.) is found at 19 Leo Rx in the 5th House of the Child, one degree from the Part of DEATH in Gabriel's natal sunrise chart. MARS (Eliz.) inconjuncts MERCURY (the 'story') which could suggest the 'story' is not true, particularly in light of the fact that we have a mutable (lying) sign on the 3rd House and Lord 3 MERCURY is in a cardinal sign (rather than fixed).



Again, for this astrologer, unfortunately, I find it 'too close to call,' although the 'grim reality' of which you speak is sickeningly possible, to be sure....

Thanks,
Soulscape

Khristi
03-04-2010, 03:50 PM
Hi Soulscape:

Yes, thanks for pointing that out. I read another report by astrology Linda Crystal and she mentioned the motive being revenge, there is a kill scene somewhere, and words that come out of Elizabeth's mouth are lies. Here is the link:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2629803/gabriel_johnson_disappearance_date.html?cat=34

In the article, she mentioned that Gabriel would found after Sept 15, 2010. That would match up with what Allison says of him being found within this year.

Thank you for all the charts and interpretations, I enjoy reading them.

I read a previous chart where they say the Landfill search will not be fruitless, so let's hope LE finds the clues soon.

Let's pray the child will be found sooner rather than later to give closure to the family and the public.

danisisa
03-04-2010, 04:12 PM
Gabriel is a Taurus. SHe says this in the beginning and than changes on the second page saying he is a Capricorn.

Boyscout
03-04-2010, 04:27 PM
Gabriel is a Taurus. SHe says this in the beginning and than changes on the second page saying he is a Capricorn.

I caught that as well. Then I was thinking do you change signs from birth to when you go missing. He went missing during Capricorn. I am a Capricorn and I didn't like her statement that we look old. Also, one minute she says he is dead then she says he is with an old couple. I haven't finished reading it but was hoping Soulscape is reading it and will tell us her thoughts before she logs out. Hint, hint Soulscape.

danisisa
03-04-2010, 04:30 PM
I caught that as well. Then I was thinking do you change signs from birth to when you go missing. He went missing during Capricorn. I am a Capricorn and I didn't like her statement that we look old. Also, one minute she says he is dead then she says he is with an old couple. I haven't finished reading it but was hoping Soulscape is reading it and will tell us her thoughts before she logs out. Hint, hint Soulscape.

Also, EJ finsihed high school with a 4.0 and full ride scholarship. Which contradicts the article.

EJ is about gaining power and control....She would gain nothing by killing G. I still believe he is alive.

Boyscout
03-04-2010, 05:39 PM
Also, EJ finsihed high school with a 4.0 and full ride scholarship. Which contradicts the article.

EJ is about gaining power and control....She would gain nothing by killing G. I still believe he is alive.

Yes, I caught that as well and you are correct she would gain nothing by killing Gabriel. We know she is smart; therefore, in my mind it would make more sense for her to have killed Logan because Logan is the one she was mad at and wanted miserable. What better way to ensure he can't go out with any other girls, right? If she was going to have a murder charge you would think it would be more worth it to be Logan than Gabriel. This way Logan isn't having any fun, right? This is why I don't think she had murder in mind. Plus, if she was going to murder Gabriel, why drive all the way to San Antonio to do it. They have plenty of places to do the same thing in Arizona. While the text message was mean, she lied about most of it, it seems reasonable she would lie about Gabriel too. Also, she hired a babysitter to watch Gabriel. If you are about to kill a baby, would you bother putting an ad for a babysitter and paying the babysitter money? No, you would just go do your thing and leave the baby alone.

I am concerned with what Khristi says because I got the same vibe from listening to that medium lady; however, I don't know much about psychics to put much stock into it. Therefore since it gave me a negative vibe I am ruling it out for now until I have more information to believe it.

I believe in Soulscape's and Tuba's charts. The charts make sense. Both Soulscape and Tuba evidence their conclusions. Linda's (I think that was her name) version did not. Based on the information that the family and LE has provided us, it is too close to call and we still have hope. We would probably have more hope if we knew more details about the case that they are keeping secret.

Khristi
03-04-2010, 06:08 PM
The interview with Allison Dubois was 90 minutes, and they only aired over 3 minutes, with the reporter knowing most of the info/ insight. I wish they had aired more. Well, guys, let's try to do more charts and analysis to gain more insight into this heartwrenching case. Tuba and Soulscape, if you are listening, more charts and analysis please. Before the Dec. 26th date, Elizabeth did hid the baby with someone, and blame the father, but that was few months prior to the Dec. 26th date. ( I will try to find link.) Well, let's see what the landfill turns up, hopefully more clues.

Khristi
03-04-2010, 06:27 PM
Here is the link where the father filed a request for Custody on Dec. 14, and there was an incident where she did hide the baby with friends:

http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2010/01/05/where-is-gabriel-johnson/

She threatened to harm the baby, and said "shut that thing up". She refers to a baby as thing which is not good, because when she harms him, he is a not a baby, and object. Well, I read somewhere else that she felt she the baby was not a baby to her, the baby was Logan, so that may explain why she killed him too, if that makes sense... This article may explain why there are charts where the baby is hidden and alive, as she did do that in the past.

NewMommy09
03-04-2010, 06:57 PM
Here is the link where the father filed a request for Custody on Dec. 14, and there was an incident where she did hide the baby with friends:

http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2010/01/05/where-is-gabriel-johnson/

She threatened to harm the baby, and said "shut that thing up". She refers to a baby as thing which is not good, because when she harms him, he is a not a baby, and object. Well, I read somewhere else that she felt she the baby was not a baby to her, the baby was Logan, so that may explain why she killed him too, if that makes sense... This article may explain why there are charts where the baby is hidden and alive, as she did do that in the past.

Just wanted to note that Elizabeth and Logan broke up on Dec. 8th and Elizabeth gave Gabe to The Smiths (the friends you mentioned) on the 9th. Gabe was found by LE at the Smith's house in the early morning hours of Dec. 10th. Hope that info helps in some way.

ETA: All of this info can be verified through the family questions thread in Gabe's forum and through Tammi Smith's arrest documents.

Tuba
03-04-2010, 07:33 PM
I just want to clarify a point or two. The charts cast on the basis of events post-Chirstmas are not in anyway influenced or altered by what Elizabeth did with Gabriel in early December. They stand on their own, sui generis and capture a much later moment in time. Second point is whether her earlier action, say on December 9, is a clue to what she did later, astrologically. If she resorted to a distinct and bold method of operation, there is a shred of possibility that that M.O. might recur with a planetary signature, but unlikely.

All things considered, let's not dig up old times of day to search for an improbable connection. It will be better to concentrate on the present case when Elizabeth left Tempe-Phoenix and thereafter. We have good information on this period (not that it couldn't be better).

Khristi
03-04-2010, 07:46 PM
When I watched Allison Dubois saying the baby would be found, I thought of them finding a body, remains instead. That is how I interpreted it.

Here is the link:

http://www.kens5.com/news/local/Psychic-says-Baby-Gabriel-will-be-found-but-not-right-away-86373997.html

She says he would be found where helicopters already searched, but not right away, and it would take up to a year.

So, Soulscape, and other, that is my interpretation of him being found. That would be constistent with finding a body or remains, as opposed to a living Gabriel. Don't kill the messenger guys, but IF Allison Dubois is correct, then that is consistent with astrologer Linda Crystal also as him being found after sept. 15. Also, why I think that the baby is not with us is because EJ actions in jail are similar to Casey Anthony, not cooperating with authorities. Tuba and Soulscape, thanks so much for your charts and analysis...

danisisa
03-04-2010, 11:13 PM
I took her saying helicopters are already overhead and they are searching in the right location as metephorically saying they are close and searching for him in the right area.

I believe once they increase the reward and find the HG, G will be found.

chell
03-05-2010, 07:22 AM
Me too! Where they are looking and who they are looking at is already under scrutiny. i feel like the guilty parties ae already known players in this sad drama. But I also have strong "feelings" that G will be found alive. My gut says fairly soon.

Boyscout
03-05-2010, 12:55 PM
I took her saying helicopters are already overhead and they are searching in the right location as metephorically saying they are close and searching for him in the right area.

I believe once they increase the reward and find the HG, G will be found.

What does HG stand for? Thank you.

pittsburghgirl
03-05-2010, 04:48 PM
I think "HG" is short for "Hispanic Guy," i.e., the hispanic man who has reportedly been seen with EJ. The speculation is that he is or may be a broker for illegal adoptions.

Zoe Bogart
03-06-2010, 06:43 AM
Hi Soulscape:
I read another report by astrology Linda Crystal ....<snip> Here is the link:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2629803/gabriel_johnson_disappearance_date.html?cat=34




She certainly doesn't do charts like our astrologers. So, so many contradictions. I know most charts have them, but to be a good astrologer, one has to learn how to put the clues together so they make sense. This one gave me a doozy of a headache. :banghead:


I thought the name "Allison DuBois" sounded familiar. The TV show, Medium, is about her! I watch it occasionally.

Yes, EJ has a lot of the same characteristics as Casey A and Misty C. All of them "all about me" and more stubborn than Taurus mules.

Angel Who Cares
03-09-2010, 12:48 PM
Correction!

OT: 3/9/10 Gabriel Johnson Hearing (Elizabeth Johnson not Tammi Smith...sorry about the error!) (*EJ At this point & time is refusing to leave her jail cell to appear for the hearing!) :shakehead: Stubborn, mentally mixed up girl I must say!


Thanks for bumping Fifth! Told ya I had a bit of fibro fog brain(*Note below post)! LOL)

:angel:

Angel Who Cares
03-09-2010, 01:04 PM
FYI: EJ Is supposed to appear in court today, but is refusing to leave her cell at this point & time!

Articles & Videos posted in Gabe's Astro Timestamp thread! I'll update the posted articles & add any new ones asap! :wink:

Do the charts show any reason why she is acting like this today? I believe her hearing was to start at 9am! Delayed at the moment...will they force her to go or file unruly charges against her at the jail. (Not the right wording, ut you know what I mean!) :wink:

OT: A bit of fibro fog today...+ I just woke up after not being able to sleep for over 40 hrs Sunday 8am - Tuesday at 2pm I was awake! So I'm moving a bit slow yet due to my fibro & fog head! :biggrin:

:angel:

Oldsoul2
03-09-2010, 01:16 PM
She's sounding like KC Anthony to me......I thought she was one of a kind.....guess I was wrong....is she reading law books too in her cell regarding her rights?

salvarenga
03-09-2010, 01:19 PM
Do the charts indicate why she refused to go to court today?

Updated Article:

http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/03/09/20100309elizabeth-johnson-misses-court-abrk0209.html

Elizabeth Johnson, the mother of missing baby Gabriel, refused to leave her jail cell for a court hearing Tuesday morning, prompting a Superior Court judge to demand authorities "use any means necessary to get her to court."

Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Timothy Ryan continued the pre-trial conference hearing to March 17, saying that Elizabeth Johnson needed to be present and called on Maricopa County Sheriff's Office deputies to ensure Johnson makes the appearance, said Karen Arra, a court spokeswoman.

Johnson's defense attorney refused to comment on the case.

Tuba
03-09-2010, 01:21 PM
Unfortunately, Miss Crystal can't decide whether Gabriel is a Taurus or a Capricorn. Every single Websleuth who reads this forum knows what a Sun Sign is. Perhaps Miss Crystal is a psychic and should work from that base, leaving astrology aside. Her heart is in the right place or she would not spend pages on this but when you've said that, you've said everything.

Angel Who Cares
03-09-2010, 05:44 PM
For our atrologers: A timestamp of an event for you for the next hearing for EJ!

Baby Gabriel's mom refuses to go to court
March 9, 2010 - 11:27AM , updated: March 9, 2010 - 3:24PM
<snipped>
Elizabeth Johnson was scheduled to appear before Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Timothy Ryan for a pretrial conference, but her public defenders appeared without her to request a new hearing date and see if they could get the media banned from being in the courtroom. Ryan said: "Use any means necessary to get Ms. Johnson here for her next court date. It will be an issue we have to take up sooner or later."

Ryan rescheduled the hearing for 10:30 a.m. on March 17 as a courtroom full of media looked on.
*Much More Info At Link!

Article:
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/151656

:angel:

Tuba
03-09-2010, 08:11 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/ElizJohnsonNoShowSuperiorCt001.jpg

Soulscape
03-10-2010, 07:23 AM
In post above, Tuba looked at 3/9/2010 at 8:30 am.

Here is a slightly different (but not very) perspective, with chart cast for Elizabeth's No Show, 8:15 am, as reported by articles I read.





http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/ElizNoShowatCourt.gif









Impulsive, aggressive Aries rises with Lord 1 MARS buried deep within the 4th House of Endings in theatrical, egotistic Leo. MARS is Retrograde and Out of Bounds and trine selfish, me-first VENUS in Aries and firmly entrenched in the 12th House of Secrets. You'll get no cooperation here........

Lord 12 the Prisoner JUPITER (11 Pisces) shows Eliz. in prison in a mute sign (silent), exact sextile MOON in hard, cold Capricorn. MOON is also Out of Bounds and last passed over PLUTO, Lord 8 of Death.

SUN in 12th House of Secrets is in Fateful Degree --- same degree as the NODES, starkly testifying to catastrophe/ tragedy/ fatality.

Here is what disturbs me no end: SUN = Lord 5 the Child, posited in the Child's 8th House of Death (radix 12th House) in Fateful Degree with Arabic Part of DEATH 04 Pisces (not shown) partile opposed little Gabriel's natal (sunrise) MOON 04 Virgo.

A most dire chart.

Thanks,
Soulscape

butterfly1978
03-10-2010, 08:13 AM
The biggest thing that sticks out to me in this chart soulscape, is the fact that so many things are positioned in the 12th house, which is classically known as the house of deception and things done in or kept secret....(the bad house)

Soulscape
03-10-2010, 09:51 AM
Over the course of this case thus far, I have cast and examined four Horary charts (including Butterfly's question, Is Gabriel Dead or Alive), all of which I have declined to publish.

The four charts, cast at various times and all appearing radical, asked basically the same question. The latest chart was drawn up after reading P.I. Armes's arrogant ('I'm not like 007; 007 is like me') statement that Gabriel was alive and in Mexico, with the Question specifically being, 'Is Gabriel Alive and in Mexico?'.

FWIW, all four Horary charts, including this last one, strongly indicated that little Gabriel is no longer with us.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Oldsoul2
03-10-2010, 12:39 PM
Over the course of this case thus far, I have cast and examined four Horary charts (including Butterfly's question, Is Gabriel Dead or Alive), all of which I have declined to publish.

The four charts, cast at various times and all appearing radical, asked basically the same question. The latest chart was drawn up after reading P.I. Armes's arrogant ('I'm not like 007; 007 is like me') statement that Gabriel was alive and in Mexico, with the Question specifically being, 'Is Gabriel Alive and in Mexico?'.

FWIW, all four Horary charts, including this last one, strongly indicated that little Gabriel is no longer with us.

Thanks,
Soulscape


I was really hoping you wouldn't say that....I can;t fathom the disgust I have for these girls/mothers who can just kill their child because they no longer want them without an inkling of a care.....and to top it off, act as though they have power to decide whether they are appearing in court.....I hope she gets what she deserves and gets a good lesson in who really has the last word

Frigga
03-10-2010, 12:59 PM
Soulscape, Thanks for the chart and for sharing the info in regards to the unpublished charts. I was afraid of this. If he were alive and her cooperation would have her freed from jail, I believe she would have done so. She knows her fate is much worse then 'giving him away'. I so wanted Baby Gabriel to be found alive, but my heart has said this was not the case. Old soul, I am with you in regards to these Mothers- why oh why do they not just give them up to someone else who would care for and love these precious babies- they could go on with their lives and do what they want to do. What are we doing or not doing as parents to create a generation of women capable of dumping newborns in trash cans and worse? Please tell me we will have justice for Baby Gabe!

pittsburghgirl
03-10-2010, 03:56 PM
Well, here's a hopeful thought: could "Gabriel" have "died" in the sense that he is no longer Gabriel but someone else? Just a thought. Frigga makes a good point about EJ's self interest but selling a child is also against the law but I still wonder about all the calling around, etc., that EJ did. If she was going to murder him, she could have done that without drawing all this attention to herself.

jnTexas
03-10-2010, 04:48 PM
Over the course of this case thus far, I have cast and examined four Horary charts (including Butterfly's question, Is Gabriel Dead or Alive), all of which I have declined to publish.

The four charts, cast at various times and all appearing radical, asked basically the same question. The latest chart was drawn up after reading P.I. Armes's arrogant ('I'm not like 007; 007 is like me') statement that Gabriel was alive and in Mexico, with the Question specifically being, 'Is Gabriel Alive and in Mexico?'.

FWIW, all four Horary charts, including this last one, strongly indicated that little Gabriel is no longer with us.

Thanks,
Soulscape

I have thought since the begining she took his life. She is was so mean even before the baby was missing. She to me is a hurt others before they hurt me type of person.

Khristi
03-10-2010, 06:30 PM
Yes, thank you for casting the charts. I sensed the "grim reality" before as I saw the custody battle get ugly, she was vengeful,
and it was "sick, kids cannot defend themselves". I interpreted this an attack, the baby being attacked. so I put out my conclusion of what happened.
Yes, the mind can and will eventually accept the truth, but the heart cannot accept it. The heart hurts too much too face the truth. He was such a cutie patooti- which is the technical term for cute baby.

I will look out for time and dates of the search and post it here so if Tuba and Soulscape, both of you could be so kind as to cast another chart on upcoming information about the search so we could gain insight on that.

Maybe we could find insight and clues to where she disposed the body. I sense LE knows she took his life, as they classified it as a homicide and put hundreds of thousands of dollars into the search, but finding the body would make it a stronger case. Otherwise it would be a circumstantial case. I'm sure she will get what she deserves, life in prison with no parole, and possibly the death sentence too.

As for how we as a society could prevent it, I think that is a very deep/complex issue. Elizabeth grew up with both parents being drug addicts / alcoholic, so that is not good. She experienced mental, physical and possible sexual abuse to become the person that she is today. Beyond that, she went through an ugly custody battle and she's vengeful. She was abusing the baby from the start, but family did not take stronger action to have the baby taken away from her. An FBI criminal profiler also said she was psychotic based upon her actions. She also had severe post partum depression and was on medication. So, all of that adds up to the horrific situation we have today.

According to Linda Crystal's report (which I sense none of you like her, but if you forgive some discrepancies' (like Gabriel's sign) we could get some useful insight. I'm speculating, but possibly, in the month of Sept, Elizabeth could start talking to a possible cellmate about what she did and where she hid the body, and one week later LE would find the body, making for a much stronger case. That is what happened in the Casey Anthony case- she talked to someone in jail. The meter reader who found Caylee's body had a friend in the jail that gave him a tip on where to search. So hopefully it would happen again. We all want justice for the little Gabriel. He's in the arms of the Angels now, and may his soul come back later to an incredibly loving mother who would love him from the second he's born until the days he passes peacefully as an old old man. I dedicate the song "Angel" by Sarah Mclachlin to him, the cutie patooti!!

Zoe Bogart
03-11-2010, 03:33 AM
According to Linda Crystal's report (which I sense none of you like her, but if you forgive some discrepancies' (like Gabriel's sign) we could get some useful insight.


I must step in for all my fellow Websleuths. It's not that we "don't like her". Most of us don't know her personally. Many of us just have issues with the inconsistencies in the report she posted. It was a bit all over the place. In my opinion, she needs to learn to analyze a bit more critically before posting online. As Tuba commented, Linda seems a bit more psychic than scientific, and that's probably why her report was confusing, in my opinion. Sometimes it's difficult to shut off the "psychic", making chart reading all the more problematic. It's easy for a psychic to get vibes from a chart, but to be a good astrologer, one has to learn to put those abilities aside and not let them influence chart reading.

As for Elizabeth's miserable upbringing, that's no excuse to do what she has done to infant Gabriel, whether he's still with us or not. As a defenseless baby, he counted on her, and she failed him utterly and miserably. I pray the court system does not fail little Gabriel this time.

pittsburghgirl
03-11-2010, 10:48 AM
Speaking for myself only: We have forensic astrologers who put time in on this board, who answer requests, who put their work out there for our comments and critiques, and who take responsibility for the difficult art of interpreting charts. It's not like reading the freakin' phone book.They also update charts as new information comes in. They work together as a team to get the best results. Many of us don't read other forensic astrology sites. It's not that we "like" or "dislike" others who are posting their work in other places; it's that they aren't part of the WS community. And frankly, not having the sun sign right is a BIG error. Tuba and Soulscape agonize over EXACT times, including birth times. Someone's head would explode if an WS astro missed a sun sign.

Just my opinion, but not a humble one. Our astros have earned our respect. In Gabriel's case, I hope they are wrong--and I am sure that they hope so, too.

Tuba
03-11-2010, 11:53 AM
Even though Elizabeth Johnson was a no show, we have something very like a snapshot of her that morning. Mars a day before he turned direct was making a station, at a standstill and true to her planet, Elizabeth would not budge, sat immovable in her cell. I say "her planet" because not only did Mars rule the Ascendant in crisis, 26° of Cardinal Aries, but Mars brought action to a halt as he sat on her Sun. Mars was out of bounds, as was the Moon and they were parallel. Elizabeth pushed a boundary that will rebound on her.

We could make the facile assumption that she was too fearful to come out of her cell but Mars insures that the face in our snapshot is a thunderous mug. She knew she was producing the drama of a crisis and it gave her a sense of power. The node of the Moon at the same degree as Part of Fortune foretells worsening consequences for all of her acts, including this act of resistance: she defied the court, which is an instance of contempt. She did this on a Mars day and it registered.

When due in court, her Venus was opposed by Mercury overhead which also sextiled her Mars, opportunity for a hiss fit and nothing says rebellion like Uranus who even spells it backward and the Sun was square her Uranus on Tuesday to the degree (18°). Her Mercury was within 3 minutes of Mars for a face-off with the guards and her north node was conjunct the crisis Ascendant of the refusal chart so even two guards couldn't move her. The Moon above at 11:09 Capricorn was on her progressed Mars at 11:37 Capricorn. Kaus Borealis in the Bow of the Archer, Sagittarius, was occulted on March 9. Yes, when you introduce a Fixed Star into the mix, you have rather a full hand.

Elizabeth has a progressed Full Moon underway so her life will reach a pitch and a climax over ensuing months. Her Moon at birth being conjunct Jupiter in Pisces, she does not realize she has a tiger by the tail.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/ElizJohnsonNoShowSuperiorCt001.jpg

Oldsoul2
03-11-2010, 12:36 PM
That's exactly how this appears to me.....when she refused to come out it's her twisted way of gaining control but basically saying" without me....you got nothing"..we've all seen this attitude before! I think in this case personality, as long as she feels she has this "power" she will not talk. She seems confident to me that wherever she put him, he will not be found......they are going to need to break her down unfortunately..

Khristi
03-11-2010, 12:45 PM
I'm not saying EJ mental states excuses anything she did, but I'm saying those are contributing factors in understanding why she what she did. Even in the most ugly, vicious custody does not justify the taking of a child's life- nothing does. But, those factors contributed to a very tragic outcome. Justice will be served I'm sure as police are working ferverntly to put things in place to give EJ what she deserves. Justice will prevail.

Baxter
03-11-2010, 01:09 PM
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According to Linda Crystal's report (which I sense none of you like her, but if you forgive some discrepancies' (like Gabriel's sign) we could get some useful insight. I'm speculating, but possibly, in the month of Sept, Elizabeth could start talking to a possible cellmate about what she did and where she hid the body, and one week later LE would find the body, making for a much stronger case. That is what happened in the Casey Anthony case- she talked to someone in jail. The meter reader who found Caylee's body had a friend in the jail that gave him a tip on where to search. So hopefully it would happen again. We all want justice for the little Gabriel. He's in the arms of the Angels now, and may his soul come back later to an incredibly loving mother who would love him from the second he's born until the days he passes peacefully as an old old man. I dedicate the song "Angel" by Sarah Mclachlin to him, the cutie patooti!!

BBM This didn't happen in the Casey A case.

Khristi
03-11-2010, 01:25 PM
This is what I read about it:

Here's the link:

http://kreuzer33.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/casey-anthonys-jailhouse-coded-messages/

And then later I read that Roy Kronk denied being given tips. So there are conflicting accounts...

NewMommy09
03-11-2010, 02:50 PM
Over the course of this case thus far, I have cast and examined four Horary charts (including Butterfly's question, Is Gabriel Dead or Alive), all of which I have declined to publish.

The four charts, cast at various times and all appearing radical, asked basically the same question. The latest chart was drawn up after reading P.I. Armes's arrogant ('I'm not like 007; 007 is like me') statement that Gabriel was alive and in Mexico, with the Question specifically being, 'Is Gabriel Alive and in Mexico?'.

FWIW, all four Horary charts, including this last one, strongly indicated that little Gabriel is no longer with us.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape,
Do your charts indicate that Gabriel is deceased at the hands of Elizabeth specifically? Or is there a possibility that he WAS handed over to people that ultimately caused his death?

Also, as another poster mentioned, could it be that Gabriel hasn't physically died but has become a new person?


One other thing, and I will bold it because it may be of importance in this forum.
I JUST found out that Elizabeth was born in Richmond, VA. I don't know if that will help with chart casting.

Tuba
03-11-2010, 03:12 PM
There have been some curious cases of impersonation in this country over recent years and naturally, in the face of witness protection programs, many instances where individuals assume a new identity. Others, not in such a program do it for personal or business reasons. All of these are a shift accomplished under Neptune, no exception. Likewise, cases of imposture--and some of those are outlandish. Remember the bloke who pretended to be a doctor and actually operated on patients? This is all Neptune at work.

Soulscape
03-11-2010, 04:35 PM
Soulscape,
Do your charts indicate that Gabriel is deceased at the hands of Elizabeth specifically? Or is there a possibility that he WAS handed over to people that ultimately caused his death?

Also, as another poster mentioned, could it be that Gabriel hasn't physically died but has become a new person?


One other thing, and I will bold it because it may be of importance in this forum.
I JUST found out that Elizabeth was born in Richmond, VA. I don't know if that will help with chart casting.


Hello NewMommy,

The charts I have examined all point to Eliz., specifically, and indicate death, not disguise.

We have Eliz's place of birth as Boston, MA. If you have confirmation she was born in Richmond, VA, please provide link, although you may take note, I have consistently found natal charts relocated to the scene of the crime/ disappearance work well in forensic astrology.

What I would really like to have is little Gabriel's true place of birth and true time of birth, if anyone can provide.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Oldsoul2
03-11-2010, 08:33 PM
Hello NewMommy,

The charts I have examined all point to Eliz., specifically, and indicate death, not disguise.

We have Eliz's place of birth as Boston, MA. If you have confirmation she was born in Richmond, VA, please provide link, although you may take note, I have consistently found natal charts relocated to the scene of the crime/ disappearance work well in forensic astrology.

What I would really like to have is little Gabriel's true place of birth and true time of birth, if anyone can provide.

Thanks,
Soulscape


Found this Soulscape along with the link....not sure if this is accurate but it looks like it. Also I am guessing that missing city means where he was born although not 100% sure, I don't know if you knew this already but I will dig a little more for the time:

Case Type: Endangered Missing
DOB: May 3, 2009
Missing Date: Dec 27, 2009
Sex: Male
Age Now: 8 Month(s)
Race: White
Height: 2'0" (61 cm)
Weight: 20 lbs (9 kg)
Hair Color: Lt. Brown
Eye Color: Blue
Missing City: TEMPE
Missing State : AZ
Missing Country: United States
Case Number: NCMC1137894

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&LanguageCountry=en_US&searchLang=en_US&caseLang=en_US&orgPrefix=NCMC&caseNum=1137894&seqNum=1

Soulscape
03-11-2010, 08:50 PM
Thank you, Oldsoul.

Tempe, AZ is the residence, where Gabriel lived with Logan and Eliz. It may be where he was born, but maybe not. Early reports stated Eliz. was in Arkansas when she discovered she was pregnant and we don't know whether she moved to Tempe prior to Gabriel's birth.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Oldsoul2
03-11-2010, 08:52 PM
Thank you, Oldsoul.

Tempe, AZ is the residence, where Gabriel lived with Logan and Eliz. It may be where he was born, but maybe not. Early reports stated Eliz. was in Arkansas when she discovered she was pregnant and we don't know whether she moved to Tempe prior to Gabriel's birth.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Searching now....hopefully I will come across it...
Wow this is difficult! Fortunately I don't allow myself to have any credit cards and the information is always linked to paying for a subscription........vital statistics for tempe,AZ or Ancestry.com...anyone a member?

butterfly1978
03-12-2010, 12:37 AM
I have can ask on facebook for Gabriels place and time of birth, his family posts there and I will see if I can get an answer.

BeanE
03-12-2010, 09:24 AM
Soulscape, I just wanted to follow up with you. Since the charts are showing death, I find that I do not have the heart to ask Gabe's family for his birth place and time. I feel obligated to tell them why I ask for information, and I am afraid telling them it's for the charts, they may come to look at them (the family reads here and some are members here), and I can't bring myself to upset them any more than they already are.

I hope everyone will understand.

Thanks,
BeanE

Zoe Bogart
03-12-2010, 10:05 AM
Speaking for myself only: We have forensic astrologers who put time in on this board, who answer requests, who put their work out there for our comments and critiques, and who take responsibility for the difficult art of interpreting charts. It's not like reading the freakin' phone book.They also update charts as new information comes in. They work together as a team to get the best results. Many of us don't read other forensic astrology sites. It's not that we "like" or "dislike" others who are posting their work in other places; it's that they aren't part of the WS community. And frankly, not having the sun sign right is a BIG error. Tuba and Soulscape agonize over EXACT times, including birth times. Someone's head would explode if an WS astro missed a sun sign.

Just my opinion, but not a humble one. Our astros have earned our respect. In Gabriel's case, I hope they are wrong--and I am sure that they hope so, too.


:clap: EXACTLY! :clap:

Thanks for being so eloquent, pittsburghgirl. To you and our astrological sleuths, :bow:

Soulscape
03-12-2010, 10:45 AM
Soulscape, I just wanted to follow up with you. Since the charts are showing death, I find that I do not have the heart to ask Gabe's family for his birth place and time. I feel obligated to tell them why I ask for information, and I am afraid telling them it's for the charts, they may come to look at them (the family reads here and some are members here), and I can't bring myself to upset them any more than they already are.

I hope everyone will understand.

Thanks,
BeanE


BeanE,

Completely understood, and moreover, completely agreed with. It breaks my heart to even think Gabriel may no longer be with us, let alone post to that effect, however, I must read the charts as they present themselves. The Family should stay away from this Forum and I pray they do.

Very Sadly,
Soulscape

Zoe Bogart
03-12-2010, 11:40 AM
Searching now....hopefully I will come across it...
Wow this is difficult! Fortunately I don't allow myself to have any credit cards and the information is always linked to paying for a subscription........vital statistics for tempe,AZ or Ancestry.com...anyone a member?

I'm a member of Ancestry.com but they don't usually have information on present day births - privacy issues and such. I checked, he's not there. Only MUCH older people with that first/surname. Although, when children are declared deceased to the Social Security Administration, the birth and death dates become public record and are published online. So far, that hasn't happened for Gabriel. There are a few young Johnson children listed, interestingly, one with the first name Gabrielle. (Caylee Marie Anthony is listed with date of death 11 Dec 2008.)

New birth announcements are usually helpful when looking for newly born children but not always. Those are published only with the permission of a parent. Many moons ago when I had children, they brought me forms asking it I wanted their birth info published. I declined.

I'm afraid the only way to know where baby Gabriel was born is to ask someone who knows or hope someone mentions it in a news article. BeanE, we understand your reluctance.

danisisa
03-12-2010, 11:59 AM
The easiset way to find out where he was born is to see where EJ lived on May 3rd, 2009. Most people have babies in the city they live in.

BTW, I believe G is very much alive and it was deception to point him being not, especiallyat the hand of EJ. The pieces do not fit.

I will stay in my bubble, so please do not respond with any justifications to the contrary.

Angel Who Cares
03-12-2010, 01:39 PM
FYI: Headline News will be airing a Gabriel News Conference Live when it starts! Starting at any moment. It was supposed to start at 12:30, but has not yet started!

ETA: The news conference has started....no signs of a homicide in the landfill. They will continue to look for Gabriel!
The landfill turned up nothing...no homicide at this point found...they will continue to investigate all leads.

Breaking News
Landfill search for Baby Gabriel ends
Police confirmed that the landfill search for Baby Gabriel has been completed. No evidence was found. The baby's father, Logan McQuary, remains hopeful. His attorney said the results of the search were not unexpected. More details upcoming.
http://www.kens5.com/news/gabriel-87485737.html

*ETA: Any new updates & videos will be posted in the Gabriel Astro Timestamp Thread!

:angel:

Boyscout
03-12-2010, 08:09 PM
Hello NewMommy,

The charts I have examined all point to Eliz., specifically, and indicate death, not disguise.

We have Eliz's place of birth as Boston, MA. If you have confirmation she was born in Richmond, VA, please provide link, although you may take note, I have consistently found natal charts relocated to the scene of the crime/ disappearance work well in forensic astrology.

What I would really like to have is little Gabriel's true place of birth and true time of birth, if anyone can provide.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape, is there a chance that if you have Gabriel's true place of birth and true time of birth, then maybe, a better outcome may be likely? I am catching up after being out of town for work and I am so upset and sad with what the charts say.

Boyscout
03-12-2010, 08:18 PM
The easiset way to find out where he was born is to see where EJ lived on May 3rd, 2009. Most people have babies in the city they live in.

BTW, I believe G is very much alive and it was deception to point him being not, especiallyat the hand of EJ. The pieces do not fit.

I will stay in my bubble, so please do not respond with any justifications to the contrary.

I hope your bubble is big enough for me too.

Boyscout
03-12-2010, 08:56 PM
I have been searching the internet trying to find a birth certificate for Gabriel. I found this legal document on the Nancy Grace website which confirms Gabriel's DOB but may have other information that Soulscape and Tuba may be able to use. Other legal documents are available as well.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/01/11/paternity.judgment.pdf

Please let me know if you have trouble getting to it. I am bad with technology. I saved it as an attachment that I can send to anyone interested but couldn't figure out how to put it in here.

Soulscape
03-12-2010, 09:21 PM
Hello Boyscout,

The document you provided (Paternity Judgment) gives Gabriel's date of birth, which we do have. Unfortunately, it does not provide place of birth (nor time).

To answer your question, having Gabriel's full birth data (time and place of birth, as well as date) could possibly help us fine-tune our analysis, but I do not want anyone to attempt to get this information from the Family and cause them more stress and dismay.

Please know the last thing I want to find out is that little Gabriel is no longer with us. I have been fighting that judgment from the beginning. The initial charts suggested he may have been given away/traded/sold and was hidden with a woman. Subsequent charts were not encouraging, however, particularly the Reported Missing and Eliz Boards the Bus charts. The Horary charts proved to be dismal, as well.

Pray.



Thanks,
Soulscape

Boyscout
03-12-2010, 09:41 PM
Hello Boyscout,

The document you provided (Paternity Judgment) gives Gabriel's date of birth, which we do have. Unfortunately, it does not provide place of birth (nor time).

To answer your question, having Gabriel's full birth data (time and place of birth, as well as date) could possibly help us fine-tune our analysis, but I do not want anyone to attempt to get this information from the Family and cause them more stress and dismay.

Please know the last thing I want to find out is that little Gabriel is no longer with us. I have been fighting that judgment from the beginning. The initial charts suggested he may have been given away/traded/sold and was hidden with a woman. Subsequent charts were not encouraging, however, particularly the Reported Missing and Eliz Boards the Bus charts. The Horary charts proved to be dismal, as well.

Pray.



Thanks,
Soulscape

Thank you Soulscape, I knew it didn't have the time and place of birth but thought that there may be some other times and dates in there that could help. Also, I got the impression from reading the document and I did read it fast since I had my 4 year old disturbing me, they are changing the birth certificate, possibly changing Gabriel's last name to that of his dad's. Therefore, maybe that could be a sign that Gabriel died as Johnson but reborn as McQueary sort of like what that other person had stated previously. I know I am grasping at straws but we all want this baby alive so if it helps it is worth mentioning. Based on the document I feel he was probably born in that county but of course it would be an educated guess. I will keep searching the internet for a birth certificate. I totally understand about not contacting the family. I would never do that. I will only obtain what is available out there to the public. Thanks so much for all you do. You are really a sweet person.

BeanE
03-12-2010, 10:33 PM
I now have the date, time, and place of Gabriel's last sighting. The time is not specific, but a time range.

Gabriel was seen with Elizabeth at the Homegate hotel on December 26 between 1pm and 3pm by a hotel employee.

This information comes from Chief McManus of the SAPD in the questions following the press conference today. Someone kindly sent me the full audio of the conference, and a friend of mine is trying to upload it so that we can link to it.

I hope this helps.

ETA: Links to the audio of the press conference are here:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 2010.03.12 - 14 Today's Current News - ***NO DISCUSSIONS HERE PLEASE ***


Thanks,
BeanE

Zoe Bogart
03-12-2010, 11:00 PM
Soulscape, after reading the paternity judgment, it appears to me the child was born in Arizona. The court is ordering the child's birth certificate to be corrected in Phoenix. If the child were born elsewhere, the Arizona office of vital statistics wouldn't be the place to change the birth record. If he were born in another state, it would have to be changed with that state's office. Narrows it down a bit. Now you just city and time.

Isn't life easy?

Thanks, Boyscout, for the document.

Soulscape
03-12-2010, 11:02 PM
These charts are sickening.

2:00 pm puts HAMAL (a.k.a. The Death Wound) 07 Taurus on the ASCENDANT.

3:00 pm puts CAPUT ALGOL 26:18 Taurus, the most malefic Fixed Star in the Heavens, on the ASCENDANT (25:37 Taurus) with Lord 1 VENUS in the 8th House of Death with SUN (the Event and Lord 4 End of the Matter) conjunct PLUTO there as well.

MARS in the 4th (violent death)

SUN sesquisquare MARS
SUN square SATURN
MARS semisquare SATURN
MARS sesquisquare PLUTO
MARS opposite CHIRON
MARS square the EQ (which is close conj. Gabriel's n. SUN)

MERCURY Lord 2 Near Future in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES) denoting catastrophe/tragedy/fatality with HADES (death marker) in House 2 opposed VENUS (Gabriel) - PLUTO - SUN conjunction in 8th House of Death.

Critical degrees on 4/10 axis --- 9 Fixed with Lord 10 URANUS (the Mother) in the 'kill or be killed' 22 degree (22 Pisces close opposed FORTUNE in House 5.

SATURN (a death marker) also in 5th House.




http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/LastSighting.gif


I don't have the stomach to examine this chart any further this evening. I will post tomorrow, along with more commentary, after giving it another review.




Sadly,
Soulscape

Soulscape
03-12-2010, 11:20 PM
Soulscape, after reading the paternity judgment, it appears to me the child was born in Arizona. The court is ordering the child's birth certificate to be corrected in Phoenix. If the child were born elsewhere, the Arizona office of vital statistics wouldn't be the place to change the birth record. If he were born in another state, it would have to be changed with that state's office. Narrows it down a bit. Now you just city and time.

Isn't life easy?

Thanks, Boyscout, for the document.



That's an excellent observation, Aksleuth.

Thank you for pointing it out.

Thanks,
Soulscape

BeanE
03-12-2010, 11:22 PM
Soulscape, after reading the paternity judgment, it appears to me the child was born in Arizona. The court is ordering the child's birth certificate to be corrected in Phoenix. If the child were born elsewhere, the Arizona office of vital statistics wouldn't be the place to change the birth record. If he were born in another state, it would have to be changed with that state's office. Narrows it down a bit. Now you just city and time.

Isn't life easy?

Thanks, Boyscout, for the document.

The wording in the court document is standard 'canned' wording. Gabe's birth certificate was not changed. Logan has always been on Gabe's birth certificate as his father.

I would not assume that Gabe was born in AZ.

butterfly1978
03-13-2010, 12:24 AM
Soulscape, I just have a question, and believe me I know you do excellent work and I rarely doubt you, but what would be a scenario where the hotel employee sees EJ and Gabriel at the hotel at that time and he died a violent death if there is no Evidence to that in the hotel room? are the charts saying he was killed some where else and not at the hotel?
Not doubting just needing some clarification.

FifthEssence
03-13-2010, 12:55 AM
Thank you BeanE for the info and details you've provided.
A little bit of astrology infomation: The difference in location would be minute. We know Little Gabriel lived most his life in Arizona so 'relocating' him there is sufficient for our forensic needs. A Time of Birth would certainly be more exacting when casting a chart; we would be confident with the Ascendant and respective House cusps.

When doing a Natal chart our Astros find using Sunrise times (in the absence of confirmed birth times) provide an overall snapshot of the planetary transits that day.

It is the EVENT chart ( Last Seen, Last true communication, Police report/arrest, body located, 911 calls, documented times of certain activities) that is most telling in cases of crime and missing individuals. Adding the natal aspects ( bi-wheel chart ) enhances the view.

Soulscape
03-13-2010, 06:21 AM
Soulscape, I just have a question, and believe me I know you do excellent work and I rarely doubt you, but what would be a scenario where the hotel employee sees EJ and Gabriel at the hotel at that time and he died a violent death if there is no Evidence to that in the hotel room? are the charts saying he was killed some where else and not at the hotel?
Not doubting just needing some clarification.


Butterfly, assuming Gabriel was killed (and I am not saying he was), if there was no physical evidence of death at the hotel, then he would have had to have been killed elsewhere.

The facts that there was no evidence of crime in the hotel room, no evidence of crime in Eliz.'s abandoned car, and no evidence of crime as a result of the landfill search are all very encouraging despite these awful charts...


Thanks,
Soulscape

butterfly1978
03-13-2010, 12:23 PM
thanks Soul you have given me renewed hope.

Tuba
03-14-2010, 01:48 PM
In posts #98 et seq., we were frustrated to learn that the time for the search of the landfill at Tessman Rd. was not what we believed, 7:30 a.m. February 9 but that the search had actually begun on February 8 & no time was given. We can only work on the information provided in the news and it was wrong--not through fault of news people but because the search schedule was accelerated, probably due to weather conditions. The charts were a lot of analysis based on a time that did not match the real debris shifting. However, the chart for phase II, the sort, did indicate the Moon, ruling House 5 of Gabriel himself, was only 8' from the degree of the Moon's node and square it (this is under the new chart). This represents a tragedy, casualty or fatality. The node is in the Sign of gov't and Capricorn in also Mexico's Sign. Elizabeth Johnson will be haled into court this coming week. Mars is also helping solve this case and will hit two Parts the first half of April. We will learn more shortly.

Boyscout
03-17-2010, 09:07 AM
Does it count as an event Logan announcing at a fundraiser that he is moving to San Antonio? He has a job and an apartment and will be moving there end of March. Here is the location of where he announced it and the time the event began although I don't know exact time of when he stated such: MANNY'S MEXICAN RESTAURANT 12345 W. Indian School Rd. Avondale, AZ
Time:5:00PM Saturday, March 13th

Zoe Bogart
03-26-2010, 03:44 PM
UPDATED: 12:23 pm MST March 26,2010

PHOENIX -- Logan McQueary was awarded sole legal custody of missing baby Gabriel Johnson during a custody hearing late Friday morning.

Elizabeth Johnson, Gabriel's mother, was not awarded any parenting time.

During Friday's hearing, which was not connected to the criminal case, the judge and attorneys questioned Johnson about Gabriel's whereabouts; however, she invoked her fifth amendment right against self-incrimination throughout her time on the stand.

Video:
http://www.kpho.com/video/22967709/index.html

Complete story at link:
http://www.kpho.com/news/22966714/detail.html


Just thought the astrologers should know (and bumping this thread because it was on page 2!).

BeanE
03-26-2010, 03:47 PM
Some dates and times can be gotten off the Maricopa County Court twitter page:
http://twitter.com/courtpio

You can see, e.g., when Logan took the stand, when Elizabeth took the 5th, when sole custody of Gabe was awarded.

Previous hearings are also in the tweet history.

Tuba
03-26-2010, 07:05 PM
It shows great earnest concern for Logan to up stakes and leave his life behind in Tempe to move to a strange (but very lovely) city. I did a chart for his first trip by plane but it was haunted by so many blue devils I couldn't post it. That was before the Tessman Landfill search. Although he wanted to rule it out and spoke with optimism, the doleful chart did not reflect that.

It was good of you to dig up this information and we will put it to use. In judging whether Logan's move was "An Event", I think of the fact that a judge would consider such a pursuit as evidence of how much this man loves his son and of the general interest with which the public follows such action in the case. I agree that it's edgy as to whether the move qualifies as an event.

BeanE
03-27-2010, 09:27 AM
Logan will be moving to San Antonio tomorrow. I'll try to get the time. Would the time he leaves Tempe or the time he arrives in San Antonio be more useful? I can ask him to note both times.

Tuba
03-27-2010, 09:42 AM
It will be best for him to note the time he crosses the threshold of his new place, even if it is a hotel or motel room. Thank you for relaying all of this.

Boo Scout
03-31-2010, 12:38 PM
New Details in Baby Gabriel Case
Ken Gamble, the private investigator in the baby Gabriel case, is asking for the public's help. Gamble says that after looking at a handwritten journal kept by the baby's mother they know that she went to Raymond Rimkus park on the morning of December 27th. Around 10 a.m. Johnson says she met a couple who had been sent by a third party she trusted. If you wish to contact the family's private investigator in this case you can go to our links section. New Details in Baby Gabriel Case
Wednesday, March 31 2010, 08:47 AM CDT

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_1671.shtml

Oldsoul2
03-31-2010, 01:30 PM
New Details in Baby Gabriel Case
Ken Gamble, the private investigator in the baby Gabriel case, is asking for the public's help. Gamble says that after looking at a handwritten journal kept by the baby's mother they know that she went to Raymond Rimkus park on the morning of December 27th. Around 10 a.m. Johnson says she met a couple who had been sent by a third party she trusted. If you wish to contact the family's private investigator in this case you can go to our links section. New Details in Baby Gabriel Case
Wednesday, March 31 2010, 08:47 AM CDT

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_1671.shtml

So can we assume that she was selling the baby and did not originally intend to kill him? Is the killer the people who bought him because of the press the case has gotten or was the "transaction" not yet completed when she decided to take his life.

Tuba
03-31-2010, 02:34 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/JohnsonatthePark27Dec001.jpg

Soulscape
03-31-2010, 03:31 PM
This is the most sickening chart I've seen yet in this case. (I am referring to the 10:00 am chart 12/27/09 that Tuba just posted above.)

A death chart. Nothing saves it.

~~Soulscape

FifthEssence
03-31-2010, 07:34 PM
New Details in Baby Gabriel Case
Ken Gamble, the private investigator in the baby Gabriel case, is asking for the public's help. Gamble says that after looking at a handwritten journal kept by the baby's mother they know that she went to Raymond Rimkus park on the morning of December 27th. Around 10 a.m. Johnson says she met a couple who had been sent by a third party she trusted. If you wish to contact the family's private investigator in this case you can go to our links section. New Details in Baby Gabriel Case
Wednesday, March 31 2010, 08:47 AM CDT

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_1671.shtml

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/JohnsonatthePark27Dec001.jpg

This is the most sickening chart I've seen yet in this case. (I am referring to the 10:00 am chart 12/27/09 that Tuba just posted above.)

A death chart. Nothing saves it.

~~Soulscape


If you go back to the 1:05pm 12/27 chart for the call by Logan reporting the 'death' text, you will see, it too has death markers implying harm has already come to Little Gabriel.

quoting SOULSCAPE from that chart:
SUN representing Gabriel (Lord 5) separates from SATURN & PLUTO afflictions (death) and separates sesquiquadrate MARS (Eliz.), seemingly confirming past contact of violent nature.

MOON as Gabriel's co-ruler at 13 Taurus is besieged (trapped) between URANUS and MARS (sudden violence). Note this MOON position is partile conjunct Gabriel's natal SUN. MOON (Gabriel) squares MARS (Eliz.) and separates from a square to BLACK MOON LILITH, the murdering mother.


IMO: her chronicling the meeting with someone at 10am is a red herring.
Hard to believe someone so unstable, anxious to unload all her troubles, kept a journal.

Logan's private investigator does not report any other prior or further notes in Eliz's journal.
Curious about any entries she made, a handwriting analysis might show they were entered on different days & times OR may show her making entries in an effort to 'tell a story'.
Were there any notes about change in hotel in San Antonio, dates, times, street addy?
Was the time she brought in the baby sitter noted or her plans she had that day entered?
Was her bus journey noted, time & date of departure?
Was any info noted regarding the place she was planning on staying at in FL ? A telephone #-street addy?

I think she made the entries on her bus ride to FL.

Khristi
03-31-2010, 07:38 PM
I think a lot of people want to believe, or wish to believe that Elizab. intented to adopt the baby out, or handed him off to someone. But according to the charts, and her character, I feel that she intended to kidnap and murder him to seek revenge. An unspeakable, vengeful act against the father for the wrong she believed was done to her, which I'm sure Logan did not do. In a previous chart, there was the word "ambush" which makes me think that she planned all along to creat a smokescreen of possible adoption or selling the child just to throw people off her true intent. Again, the evil and harm keeps coming up in the charts to make me think it was premeditated murder, IMO.

BeanE
04-01-2010, 02:42 PM
If you go back to the 1:05pm 12/27 chart for the call by Logan reporting the 'death' text, you will see, it too has death markers implying harm has already come to Little Gabriel.

quoting SOULSCAPE from that chart:
SUN representing Gabriel (Lord 5) separates from SATURN & PLUTO afflictions (death) and separates sesquiquadrate MARS (Eliz.), seemingly confirming past contact of violent nature.

MOON as Gabriel's co-ruler at 13 Taurus is besieged (trapped) between URANUS and MARS (sudden violence). Note this MOON position is partile conjunct Gabriel's natal SUN. MOON (Gabriel) squares MARS (Eliz.) and separates from a square to BLACK MOON LILITH, the murdering mother.


IMO: her chronicling the meeting with someone at 10am is a red herring.
Hard to believe someone so unstable, anxious to unload all her troubles, kept a journal.

Logan's private investigator does not report any other prior or further notes in Eliz's journal.
Curious about any entries she made, a handwriting analysis might show they were entered on different days & times OR may show her making entries in an effort to 'tell a story'.
Were there any notes about change in hotel in San Antonio, dates, times, street addy?
Was the time she brought in the baby sitter noted or her plans she had that day entered?
Was her bus journey noted, time & date of departure?
Was any info noted regarding the place she was planning on staying at in FL ? A telephone #-street addy?

I think she made the entries on her bus ride to FL.

There are notes made throughout her time in San Antonio, for example about her being depressed, drinking, contacting women's organizations to try to get set up to live in San Antonio.

Soulscape
04-01-2010, 03:19 PM
There are notes made throughout her time in San Antonio, for example about her being depressed, drinking, contacting women's organizations to try to get set up to live in San Antonio.


To BeanE and All,

Assuming (!!!) Gabriel was being treated lovingly and not abused in any way, NOTHING would make me happier than to find out that Eliz. truly had given him away / sold him to a couple in the park on 12/27/2009.

Unfortunately, every chart we've looked at, Event or Horary, points elsewhere, showing a fatal Event, confirmed by fatal afflictions to little Gabriel's natal, Secondary and Tertiary Progressed charts.

Everything in me screams against this judgment I report, but report it I must.

Sadly,
Soulscape

danisisa
04-01-2010, 11:20 PM
This is the most sickening chart I've seen yet in this case. (I am referring to the 10:00 am chart 12/27/09 that Tuba just posted above.)

A death chart. Nothing saves it.

~~Soulscape

Except for God.....

jnTexas
04-02-2010, 12:36 AM
This is the most sickening chart I've seen yet in this case. (I am referring to the 10:00 am chart 12/27/09 that Tuba just posted above.)

A death chart. Nothing saves it.

~~Soulscape

So I wonder if she killed or dumped him in the park?

Boyscout
04-02-2010, 07:36 PM
To BeanE and All,

Assuming (!!!) Gabriel was being treated lovingly and not abused in any way, NOTHING would make me happier than to find out that Eliz. truly had given him away / sold him to a couple in the park on 12/27/2009.

Unfortunately, every chart we've looked at, Event or Horary, points elsewhere, showing a fatal Event, confirmed by fatal afflictions to little Gabriel's natal, Secondary and Tertiary Progressed charts.

Everything in me screams against this judgment I report, but report it I must.

Sadly,
Soulscape

Hi Soulscape,

Are the charts ever wrong? I don't want these charts to be true. It makes me too sad.

Soulscape
04-02-2010, 08:29 PM
Hi Soulscape,

Are the charts ever wrong? I don't want these charts to be true. It makes me too sad.


Sometimes the interpretations are wrong! Each Astrologer does the best s/he can to ferret out the truth, but none of us are God and none of us has a 100% track record.

Every cell in my body wants to believe Eliz. handed Gabriel off in the park. Every chart I've examined suggests she killed him. That notwithstanding, I would be a pompous jerk to insist my chart interpretations are correct, and in this sad, heartbreaking case, I don't mind saying I hope I am wrong.

Love,
Soulscape

danisisa
04-02-2010, 08:37 PM
This case has made me wonder about astrolgy and happenings surrounding it. From what I have read, situations arise the can cause death if the person acts on it or somehow the situation is not circumvented..There were many times in my life that situations occured that could of caused me death, but the choices I made and a few times the GOd saved me. I think if she was not able to give G away, then , well , I don't want to think about it. But If she only had 1 hr unaccounted for, that is not enough time, with no witness to kill G and dispose of him without going unnoticed. I think that if G stays in the situation he is in, the people who have him may be scared to get him medical care if he is sick...But, LE, LM, and the PI, i believe will find him before death will occur..

JMO

Tuba
04-02-2010, 10:42 PM
A birth chart is the foundation for a life full of acts of free will. That is a category of astrology unto itself. What you and many other Websleuths ask us to do, yes in so many words, ask us to do is to determine whether a particular happening has occurred. Or, to look at an event and describe what happened within that set of actions and circumstances. That is a very different thing. Please consider and contemplate that difference. It is very possible that an inquiry is made, or often here, even a series of inquiries, on the subject of a missing person or a victim but where the questioner does not truly want to hear the answer--only an answer that spares a life and saves or recovers a victim. That is human nature in its better essence. Of course, we want the best outcomes for the lost. But search yourself before you ask because to come with two minds, "I want an answer but it must be the answer I want to hear" imposes an impossible burden on the person who studies and studies the subject and then delivers a long considered opinion. It is not only the astrologers who must act responsibly here. So must the inquirers act responsibly and with fairness and consideration. And both have to bear in mind that the victim's loved ones, in a state of anxiety, may also read here. This quandry and these ironies and inconsistencies are as old as the bible and the Greeks before them. There are some things we should have learned over three thousand years.

Violet
04-03-2010, 08:21 AM
Tube and Soulscape, As always, the little thank you button is never enough.

Boyscout
04-05-2010, 12:00 PM
This case has made me wonder about astrolgy and happenings surrounding it. From what I have read, situations arise the can cause death if the person acts on it or somehow the situation is not circumvented..There were many times in my life that situations occured that could of caused me death, but the choices I made and a few times the GOd saved me. I think if she was not able to give G away, then , well , I don't want to think about it. But If she only had 1 hr unaccounted for, that is not enough time, with no witness to kill G and dispose of him without going unnoticed. I think that if G stays in the situation he is in, the people who have him may be scared to get him medical care if he is sick...But, LE, LM, and the PI, i believe will find him before death will occur..

JMO

I hope you are right.

Boyscout
04-05-2010, 12:01 PM
Tube and Soulscape, As always, the little thank you button is never enough.

I agree totally.

Tuba
04-12-2010, 11:16 PM
Learning of Elizabeth Johnson's last wishes and expectation of impending death, the first thing I notice in her progressions is that Mars is traveling with the Moon, both in Capricorn, which can look and feel like a cell>tomb. Capricorn is not hospitable to the Moon. And that her progressed Mercury is precisely where one finds Mars in the heavens today. More than any other reaction, her fuse box is fried. Worms in the food, if true, is more than anyone could tolerate or be expected to consume. Uranus has been sitting on her Jupiter, so the usual dependable luck in her life has disintegrated. Pluto has been and is transiting her Neptune and this can throw a person in with a group of people toward which prejudice and enmity is borne but she doesn't complain about the jailbirds. Just the water and the food that prompted the hunger strike. In fact, she seems to feel a unity with others behind bars in rejecting what is served and complaining about it. We do know that transit Mars turned direct on Wednesday March 10th and that Mars did this directly upon her Sun, to the degree. She has been on the boil ever since.

If she becomes visibly weak, she will be removed to an inmate hospital. Her Sun at birth was trine Saturn in Sagittarius which provides endurance and stamina through privation. Survival odds are good but dehydration is already a problem.

Tuba
04-13-2010, 09:51 PM
I guess she did complain about the inmates. Just saying it with aerosol spray in the eyes.

BeanE
04-18-2010, 12:07 PM
Learning of Elizabeth Johnson's last wishes and expectation of impending death, the first thing I notice in her progressions is that Mars is traveling with the Moon, both in Capricorn, which can look and feel like a cell>tomb. Capricorn is not hospitable to the Moon. And that her progressed Mercury is precisely where one finds Mars in the heavens today. More than any other reaction, her fuse box is fried. Worms in the food, if true, is more than anyone could tolerate or be expected to consume. Uranus has been sitting on her Jupiter, so the usual dependable luck in her life has disintegrated. Pluto has been and is transiting her Neptune and this can throw a person in with a group of people toward which prejudice and enmity is borne but she doesn't complain about the jailbirds. Just the water and the food that prompted the hunger strike. In fact, she seems to feel a unity with others behind bars in rejecting what is served and complaining about it. We do know that transit Mars turned direct on Wednesday March 10th and that Mars did this directly upon her Sun, to the degree. She has been on the boil ever since.

If she becomes visibly weak, she will be removed to an inmate hospital. Her Sun at birth was trine Saturn in Sagittarius which provides endurance and stamina through privation. Survival odds are good but dehydration is already a problem.

Because the sherrif, a reporter, and an anchorwoman were all shown on video eating the Nutraloaf, I doubt there are any worms in it.

I don't know if she was hallucinating, delusional, or just plain lying.

Tuba
04-18-2010, 01:21 PM
Angel, thank you for the media reports and for the interview and consultation with Mark Hopper. I have the greatest respect for graphoanalysis but this analyst is the most professional I've ever had the pleasure to listen to. Terrific!

Tuba
04-23-2010, 10:47 AM
If what Logan's investigator says is correct, i.e. his interpretation of Elizabeth's log, we need to find out what pressures forced her hand on Christmas Eve & thereabout. Was it Tammi Smith warning her? Possibly a relative?

Khristi
04-27-2010, 05:14 AM
Hi Soulscape and Tuba:

I read that: Johnson will meet with Judge Paul McMurdie, her lawyers, and prosecutor Angela Andrews at 8:30 a.m. 4/27/10 . Based on this time and date, could you cast a chart and see where the case is going? Is there any change of charges in her chart, like if the charges will get more serious, and if so, what is the time frame. And in relation to the baby, does her charge indicate where he is, when he will be found, or any other info. Does her chart indicate the circumstance of when and how he would be found? I guess the whole world is wondering when this baby will be found, so I was hoping Elizabeth's next court date could provide us some insight. Thanks to both of you fine astrologers.

Tuba
04-27-2010, 12:41 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/ElizJohnsonCtMeeting001.jpg

CrystalThePistol
05-03-2010, 01:41 PM
Happy First Birthday Gabriel!! I hope you can go home to your Daddy where you belong! You are in my prayer's.

artsy1
05-12-2010, 06:24 PM
This is the most sickening chart I've seen yet in this case. (I am referring to the 10:00 am chart 12/27/09 that Tuba just posted above.)

A death chart. Nothing saves it.

~~Soulscape


Hello, I'm new to this area of WS (and charts in general), and have a question. Can a death chart also refer to someone who is kidnapped and given a new identity - hence the "death" of the "original" identity, and birth of a new one?

And if so, can a chart be done with 12/27/09 10 am as the BIRTH of the new identity to find him?

Thank you!

Thanks

Carolina Girl
05-30-2010, 07:52 PM
Hello, I'm new to this area of WS (and charts in general), and have a question. Can a death chart also refer to someone who is kidnapped and given a new identity - hence the "death" of the "original" identity, and birth of a new one?

And if so, can a chart be done with 12/27/09 10 am as the BIRTH of the new identity to find him?

Thank you!

Thanks

Is that possible?

78gidget78
05-30-2010, 08:21 PM
Hello, I'm new to this area of WS (and charts in general), and have a question. Can a death chart also refer to someone who is kidnapped and given a new identity - hence the "death" of the "original" identity, and birth of a new one?

And if so, can a chart be done with 12/27/09 10 am as the BIRTH of the new identity to find him?

Thank you!

Thanks


i've been wanting to ask this for MONTHS but i know nothing of astrology and felt too self consious...

Tuba
05-30-2010, 09:18 PM
I wish I could furnish your heartfelt wish with new hope but that is not the way death works, astrologically.

FifthEssence
06-03-2010, 10:27 PM
Johnson incompetent to stand trial in missing Baby Gabriel case

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/article_466d72ce-6f51-11df-b59e-001cc4c002e0.html

The mother of missing Baby Gabriel is not competent to stand trial now but can be rehabilitated and possibly stand trial at a later date, a Maricopa County Superior Court commissioner ruled on Thursday.

Her next hearing will be a restoration review on August 12 @1:30 pm.

In the meantime, she'll be treated at a Behavorial Center in AZ.

butterfly1978
06-03-2010, 11:27 PM
Johnson incompetent to stand trial in missing Baby Gabriel case

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/article_466d72ce-6f51-11df-b59e-001cc4c002e0.html

The mother of missing Baby Gabriel is not competent to stand trial now but can be rehabilitated and possibly stand trial at a later date, a Maricopa County Superior Court commissioner ruled on Thursday.

Her next hearing will be a restoration review on August 12 @1:30 pm.

In the meantime, she'll be treated at a Behavorial Center in AZ.

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:furious::furious::banghead::b anghead: ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME???????
Okay sure lets wait til August while poor Gabriel is out there somewhere.

Zoe Bogart
06-08-2010, 12:20 AM
I know I shouldn't be shocked, considering her actions, but is it okay to be disappointed enough to cry? She's not going to tell what she did with the child, no one will be able to find him, and she's playing the Casey Anthony-Misty Croslin game. :poke: The reality of crime and criminals is nothing like we see on TV and movies, is it? No closure, no explanations, no sense. :(

We need an icon that cries huge tears.

Tuba
07-16-2010, 10:29 PM
A birth chart is the foundation for a life full of acts of free will. That is a category of astrology unto itself. What you and many other Websleuths ask us to do, yes in so many words, ask us to do is to determine whether a particular happening has occurred. Or, to look at an event and describe what happened within that set of actions and circumstances. That is a very different thing. Please consider and contemplate that difference. It is very possible that an inquiry is made, or often here, even a series of inquiries, on the subject of a missing person or a victim but where the questioner does not truly want to hear the answer--only an answer that spares a life and saves or recovers a victim. That is human nature in its better essence. Of course, we want the best outcomes for the lost. But search yourself before you ask because to come with two minds, "I want an answer but it must be the answer I want to hear" imposes an impossible burden on the person who studies and studies the subject and then delivers a long considered opinion. It is not only the astrologers who must act responsibly here. So must the inquirers act responsibly and with fairness and consideration. And both have to bear in mind that the victim's loved ones, in a state of anxiety, may also read here. This quandry and these ironies and inconsistencies are as old as the bible and the Greeks before them. There are some things we should have learned over three thousand years.

This set of issues arose in the Gabriel Johnson case but not for the first time. This was the warning posted at that time.

Austin Mommy
07-28-2010, 03:04 PM
It saddens me that this case has all but disappeared from the public minds. I believe this little one is still out there and needs to be found. Let's all send our positive thoughts and energies out to the Universe, (as I believe it listens) to bring this precious child home.

momtective
09-23-2010, 12:00 PM
Elizabeth Johnson's court hearing is today at 1:30...anyone willing to chart this one?

FifthEssence
09-23-2010, 11:42 PM
Court upholds decision that missing kid's mom is competent for trial


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/cop_shop/article_63693e00-c76f-11df-a627-001cc4c002e0.html
Posted: Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:05 pm
Mike Sakal, Tribune

The mother of missing baby Gabriel Johnson is competent to stand trial and capable of understanding the charges brought against her.
Maricopa County Superior Court Commissioner Steve Holding upheld last month’s determinations of two court-appointed doctors in a report that Elizabeth Johnson’s mental restoration process was complete and she was competent to stand trial despite claims by her attorneys that she wasn’t.

is not known whether Gabriel is alive or dead as Johnson has continued to refuse to cooperate with authorities on Gabriel’s whereabouts or well being. Gabriel Johnson turned 1 year old in May.

Johnson also refused to be transported out her jail cell on Thursday for the hearing. The judge previously ruled that Johnson does not have to be transported to attend the hearings, according to Alcock.

Johnson’s grandfather, Robert Johnson, who was present for the hearing on Thursday, said he believes Elizabeth knows what she’s doing.

******************

Leomoon80
09-24-2010, 01:33 AM
Mentally Ill young woman (Neptune Quincunx her Sun) all those harsh emotional moon squares..Uranus squares Black Moon episodes – (in Gemini) air and crazed
Drugged Gabriel with his baby bottle, and let him die then disposed of the body.? This is exactly what I'm inclined to believe.


http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/is-elizabeth-johnson-a-sign-of-the-times-mother-of-gabriel-johnsons-jailhouse-interview/

Elizabeth has a “mean streak” according to her grandfather. She was born to a drug addicted father and an alcoholic mom, who put her into 5 different Foster care homes.
She simply has no clue how to bond with anyone and I think it’s very apparent in her natal chart, even without her time of birth when we study her Moon.
The Moon square Saturn and the Moon (archetype of a mother figure) squares Uranus.
The Moon squares the Black Moon, the more interesting location in the chart, in Gemini.

It is said too, she has a “dual personality” the hallmark of Gemini .,the twins.

Her natal Mercury is Rx when born, a sign of going back into time, seldom ever in the moment, or living for the day, rather harkening back to the prior hurts and upsets.
At 29 degrees Cancer,critical in the Anaretic last degree of the sign; a prime position for replaying all the hurts of her childhood in her own head.

She has been compared to Casey Anthony in the article I’m posting, but I don’t see the comparison really, not with the chart, not with the life. Casey was given a fairly "stable" home life, by people who truly did love her, even though they themselves may not have been perfect, who is? There are no perfect "Wally & Beaver Cleavers" that's a fantasy. But this girl, Elizabeth didn't even have a less then perfect family, she had a horror story to live.

Regardless of her “condition” being rendered as competent to stand trial. This means she knows right from wrong, and I don’t think there is any question of this, but there is an old saying, that “there is a thin line between insanity and genius”

Elizabeth, imo, walks that thin line precariously.

Let’s not forget either that her Sun and Mercury are combust (with that retrograde Mercury) which is further damaged by the Quincunx to Neptune.
The Sun quincunx to Neptune means that there is a mental problem at least with what most of us deem reality and reality based events, and what she thinks she can live with and others should as well.

I reread the beginning of this thread, the first page and I also concur that the baby is no longer here.
I think Elizabeth gave the child drugs (a Neptune theme) in that baby bottle, and poor little tyke, drifted off to sleep forever.

Her Jupiter opposition to Venus is an example of a spiritual planet gone horribly bad, probably due to many lifetimes of neglect, probably her own to spiritual needs. Overboard is often the theme of Jupiter when it's afflicted in some manner.
After all, her Jupiter is in Pisces, the original ruler of this sign, so in it’s own Ruler is very strong. But strong for what purpose?

The opposition to Venus in critical cool minded Virgo – the way she perceived love and nurturing from her parents, perhaps the many foster care homes she was put into, the “system” so to speak, (of which she is the product churned out)
All added up to disaster to create a kind of “automan” rather then a human living breathing caring, loving mother and granddaughter.
Elizabeth IMO, is “striking out” at life and everyone in it who ever cared for and about her.

It’s a truly sad thing to see unfold before us.

Her Pluto (again very strong in Scorpio ) the ruler of this sign, is striking out harshly and mostly at her own self, for she will not see the outside of a prison cell in this life, or I doubt sincerely if she will.
As Pluto in Scorpio tries to lash out in vengeance against the world that hurt her, she is doing her own self much damage, in the end.

Having her Pluto square the Sun (her own essence as an ego), square to that Retrograde Mercury (vengeful for vengance sake) Pluto semi-square Uranus (destructive in a very unpredicatable way)

With her retrograde Uranus (repeating again), square to so many personal planets, (her Venus, her Moon) a harsh aspect to her Sun then the opposition to Chiron, the semi-square to Pluto (some maintian, it's worse then the square itself as to it's effect) and on and on……..I truly feel badly for this young woman.
“There but for the grace of God go I”……to have been so uncared for as a child and this, then the product of that past life.(and probably according to this chart, more past then we know about)

Let’s not neglect to mention that this seriously in trouble Uranus (retrograde) is also
Conjunct to “Medea” the asteroid the Greeks assigned as “killing her children”

So sad…..Like the Casey Anthony case, we can only shake our heads and cry for all of them.

I think this excerpt from this article I found about her past, pretty much sums up what I tried to say about that Pluto in Scorpio and the very afflicted Uranus Rx:

Elizabeth Johnson's grandfather says she grew up with a drug-addicted father and an alcoholic mother and then bounced around five different foster homes.
She has always been impulsive, secretive and prone to fits of rage. A relative says that as a child, she would break windows in her home and chased her father with a plunger.
Yet she carried a 4.0 GPA through high school, and she was determined to not let her son suffer the same kind of childhood she had.


Read more:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/01/10/20100110missingbaby0110.html

Added:
http://www.myastrologycharts.com/Astrology-Charts/Birth-Chart/mythinterp.php?personid=2

Medea, Asteroid No. 212, was discovered in 1880. Medea is similar to the archetypes of Pluto and Scorpio, as she understands the process of metamorphosis. Planets in the Eighth House or in aspect to Pluto may conjure up the potent magic of Medea.
note: Medea is also Rx. She may have done this before in another lifetime.



SUNRISE CHART:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2529/elizabethjohnsonquincun.gif

Leomoon80
09-24-2010, 02:47 AM
I found the reference to "Medea" as an Asteroid which refers to Killing one's children, as the Greek myth goes...from reading the reference in the google book preview of Forensic Astrology rather fascinating as it ironically fits this chart and Gabriel's mother's chart as I mentioned previously.

In Gabriel's natal, unlike his mother who had Medea conjunct "Uranus" the planet of the extremes, and retrograde, for Gabriel the asteroid was Direct in motion as well in Pisces conjunct "Fomalhaut"....the Royal star known for "An Immortal Name" The conjunction to Medea is noteworthy although I haven't yet checked his Parans Stars as we do not know his time of birth yet.

This star you may recall was also part of baby Sylar Orion's natal chart when he went missing recently in the Campsite in Sedona Az.

Back to Gabriel, I see that Medea is between his natal Juno the marriage or couple asteroid, while the other conjunction is to his natal Neptune, the planet of his mother's quincunx to her Sun.
Neptune is also about delusions and mental issues.

Thus we see that Gabriel with Medea conjunct both Juno and Neptune and very possibly opposing his natal Moon again, with Fomalhaut in the mix, seems to show us the preordained nature of this event or rather the high probability of it occuring.

I do think the stage was set upon his conception, because I also follow the Tad Mann method of seeing natal charts as conception charts, however Elizabeth even IF the inclinations were such as to kill her child of course as we all have, has free Will to not give in to these compulsions.

But as we all know, the "path of least resistance" is often too hard to not give into even for the best of us. This is why Edgar Cayce said, most charts can be read ( I think he said approx. 75% of them as natal charts go) approximately the same as the Greeks believed, in Plato's time.

That would be 3 out of every 4 people, will give in to their impulses, their inclinations and the path of least resistance I suppose.

Then the other 25% (it is said), are either working on themselves in a diligent and conscious manner OR have already overcome their charts (a very minor percentage of course ) would fall into this realm.

Anyway, since reading about Medea a little bit, I thought I'd share this finding here in Gabriel's natal chart with you here:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/759/babymissingfromtempegab.gif

Leomoon80
09-24-2010, 12:25 PM
Thus we see that Gabriel with Medea conjunct both Juno and Neptune and very possibly opposing his natal Moon again, with Fomalhaut in the mix 3Pisces-4Pisces , seems to show us the preordained nature of this event or rather the high probability of it occuring.

The sign of Pisces has long been known as the sign of Sacrifice because of it's association with Neptune.
All too often, the Sacrifice is of their own souls as we've seen over and over especially since this sign if often seen in Serial Killer charts too.
Casey A. is Pisces Sun,Mercury, Jupiter and Atropos.

Becoming a "Sacrifice" in this world, a world that straddles other worlds perhaps, is really a relative term but often we see the end result of this sacrifice in this one, here.

Astrology is after all, a study of the relation or relative associations between planets, asteroids and the like. Also, a study of probabilities of events and natal promises as they are called.