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BeanE
01-27-2010, 02:15 PM
San Antonio police said Monday that they had one more tip to follow-up on before making a decision on a landfill search. Tuesday night, police would not say if that tip materialized.

My dear friends,

We need tips, and we need them today. Please call in or email in anything and everything you think may not have been submitted, no matter how small.

If you have any question whether something has been submitted, please call or email it in.

If you are not sure how to submit a tip, just call the tipline and tell them you're not sure how to get the info to them, and they will walk you through it.

Thank you.

BeanE
01-28-2010, 10:30 AM
Sleuthers Needed!

I just found this site. Not Craigslist, but very much like it. I happened across it in a child abuse news article out of Mesa AZ where the mom advertised as an escort, so may be used in the AZ area, and Eliz may have used it. I haven't even begun to sleuth it, because I just found it. Wanted to post the links in case some others have time to jump in and help sleuth it.

Place a free classified ad with photo. Find houses for rent, apts for rent, local jobs, and local for sale classifieds on backpage.com.

Main link with all cities:
http://www.backpage.com/

Phoenix:
http://phoenix.backpage.com/

San Antonio:
http://sanantonio.backpage.com/

NewMommy09
01-28-2010, 11:11 AM
Sleuthers Needed!

I just found this site. Not Craigslist, but very much like it. I happened across it in a child abuse news article out of Mesa AZ where the mom advertised as an escort, so may be used in the AZ area, and Eliz may have used it. I haven't even begun to sleuth it, because I just found it. Wanted to post the links in case some others have time to jump in and help sleuth it.

Place a free classified ad with photo. Find houses for rent, apts for rent, local jobs, and local for sale classifieds on backpage.com.

Main link with all cities:
http://www.backpage.com/

Phoenix:
http://phoenix.backpage.com/

San Antonio:
http://sanantonio.backpage.com/


Hmm, I wonder if someone will come across the ad's that marylandmissing was posting about that she thought looked like EJ. I did PM that WSer and asked that those ad's be submitted as a tip, but I haven't heard back.

not_my_kids
01-28-2010, 11:23 AM
I sent in two yesterday.

One regarding a suspicious photo and the other regarding a possible alias for a key player.
That's really all I am willing to say, in case it does lead somewhere.

YellowSubmarine
01-28-2010, 12:03 PM
I think anyone in the area should be canvasing these places with EJ's pic. They are listed on the Homegate Studios site, which I'm sure is in the info book that they leave in the rooms. Not knowing the area, I think she would've stayed close and chosen one of these suggested places:


The Huebner Oaks Shopping Center is just a few minutes away featuring a 24 screen AMC Theater with executive hi back seating, numerous restaurants featuring La Madeleine French Bakery & Cafe, Bennigans, Champs as well as an array of boutique shops.
Just minutes to the hotel is the world famous John T. Floore Country Store and Dance Hall, Texas Military Institute, Camp Bullis, Camp Stanley and USAA Insurance

b4e
01-28-2010, 12:07 PM
I may have something. On one of the sites where I put up Gabe's new poster, someone commented that they 'might have seen him'. I am trying to find/reach this person now for more details. If she doesn't answer, do you think I should turn her name in as a tip? (I am unsure at this point if she is on the level).

BeanE
01-28-2010, 12:12 PM
I may have something. On one of the sites where I put up Gabe's new poster, someone commented that they 'might have seen him'. I am trying to find/reach this person now for more details. If she doesn't answer, do you think I should turn her name in as a tip? (I am unsure at this point if she is on the level).

I would definitely call it in. LE has ways of finding people that we don't.

And people who are not on the level and saying irresponsible things on the net deserve a visit from LE ;-)

Thanks, b4e :blowkiss:

BeanE
01-28-2010, 12:21 PM
Sleuthers needed! We're looking primarily for ads Eliz may have placed or answered in regards to adoptions, but also other ads that may give us clues to what Eliz was planning or what she did.

These places are like Craigslist:

Kijiji: http://www.kijiji.com/

Oodle: http://www.oodle.com/

Live Simon Posts: http://www.lsposts.com/

Live Simon: http://www.livesimon.com/

NewMommy09
01-28-2010, 12:30 PM
Sleuthers needed! We're looking primarily for ads Eliz may have placed or answered in regards to adoptions, but also other ads that may give us clues to what Eliz was planning or what she did.

These places are like Craigslist:

Kijiji: http://www.kijiji.com/

Oodle: http://www.oodle.com/

Live Simon Posts: http://www.lsposts.com/

Live Simon: http://www.livesimon.com/

I just wanted to add to BeanE's post from above. Keep in mind when sleuthing this that EJ's other known ad's and other messages that have been released have had no capitalization, even at the beginning of a sentence. Also, she seems to put more importance on herself, by wording with things like "me and gabriel" instead of "Gabriel and I" or "I, myself am single" instead of just "I'm single". Obviously that doesn't mean she can't type an ad differently, but it's something to keep an eye out for. It may single something out.

NewMommy09
01-28-2010, 12:33 PM
BeanE and other sleuthers:

I saw in another thread that someone suggested a thread for what tips have already been sent in, so that we know when something has been submitted.
Would it be good to post that info here?

BeanE
01-28-2010, 01:04 PM
BeanE and other sleuthers:

I saw in another thread that someone suggested a thread for what tips have already been sent in, so that we know when something has been submitted.
Would it be good to post that info here?

Sure. Anything tip related could go in here. It would be great to be able to check and see if something has already been submitted.

One thing to keep in mind though is that some tips that are submitted aren't posted here, due to their sensitivity. So if someone has a tip they're not comfortable with posting publicly, nobody needs to feel obligated. It's fine to keep tips confidential.

b4e
01-28-2010, 01:07 PM
I submitted the name of the person who "might have seen" Gabriel. Also sent a screenshot of her claim.

NewMommy09
01-28-2010, 01:24 PM
I submitted some pictures of a Benadryl Bottle with the picture of Gabriel holding the medicine nurser to show that the color and consistency looked the same, as much as you can tell in pictures.

YellowSubmarine
01-28-2010, 01:42 PM
Update 1/26: Jack and Tammi Smith have a friend who lives in San Antonio. Police investigating baby Gabriel's disappearance have questioned this man but have not disclosed details of the interview.

Page 2:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2581663/missing_baby_gabriel_johnson_tammi_pg2.html?cat=41


Wonder if this is the tip LE said they had to look into before the landfill search?

captdj
01-28-2010, 02:00 PM
Hmm, I wonder if someone will come across the ad's that marylandmissing was posting about that she thought looked like EJ. I did PM that WSer and asked that those ad's be submitted as a tip, but I haven't heard back.

There ara a lot of Babysitter under Care.com from SanAntonio but didn't see the one Elizabeth used..

not_my_kids
01-28-2010, 02:04 PM
Is there any other source for that friend in San Antonio? AC is a blog, not a news site, so I like to confirm their info.

Melanie
01-28-2010, 02:09 PM
Personally, I wish they would start the search on the landfill. It will be more difficult to find him as each day goes by. My heart tells me that one more tip isn't going to make much of a difference at this point. Too much time has passed.

Bless baby Gabriel.

Mel

Kamille
01-28-2010, 10:17 PM
Not sure if this is a tip or not but I found a site for Healing Waters with three different phone numbers on it. The date says Dec 2 but there is no year. One of the numbers is a landline phone and the Smiths have stated they don't have a landline so it might be an old ad from when they did?

http://chandler-arizona.olx.com/healing-waters-colonics-iid-56066749

Kamille
01-28-2010, 10:25 PM
That landline number brings up a couple of other ads...

http://paradisevalley-arizona.olx.com/colon-hydrotherapist-we-will-train-and-certify-the-right-person-iid-51511915

http://www.merchantcircle.com/blogs/Healing.Waters.Colonics.623-687-1887

ETA: The last blog on the second link was posted in July 2009 so they must have had a land line at least up until then.

Prof
01-28-2010, 11:10 PM
Could it be the land line for the shop?

Prof
01-28-2010, 11:16 PM
Hmmn I found a Craigslist ad for a Tempur-Pedic king size mattress --T&J's names on the ad with that land line phone number from October 25th 2009
I think it was in the wanted section -- the ad has expired, but it shows up in a Google search of the land line
Can I post what I see? or is that against TOS --so confused lol

ETA found another ad on CL for a massage bed dated 12/30/2009 that says they are downsizing -- hmmn I thought they were building up the business

Prof
01-28-2010, 11:22 PM
How can they lie on national tv about everything -- more importantly why would they lie about not having a land line?

BTW GOOD FIND! KAMILLE!

ETA --is it possible that the number used to be a land line and now it is switched to a wireless service?
http://www.numberinvestigator.com/

Kamille
01-28-2010, 11:41 PM
How can they lie on national tv about everything -- more importantly why would they lie about not having a land line?

BTW GOOD FIND! KAMILLE!

ETA --is it possible that the number used to be a land line and now it is switched to a wireless service?
http://www.numberinvestigator.com/

Thanks Prof. It could be a landline for the business but it wouldn't be considered good business practice to have your business phone unlisted I would think. I sent it in just in case.

ETA: Just saw your edit. They may have cancelled their land line and someone else has it now as a cell number?

Prof
01-28-2010, 11:47 PM
Good tip! Have we found the three recent CL ads before? the king size bed, the stainless steel sink, and the December 30th, 2009 for the massage bed before? Can I link CL ads?

BeanE
01-29-2010, 12:22 AM
Good tip! Have we found the three recent CL ads before? the king size bed, the stainless steel sink, and the December 30th, 2009 for the massage bed before? Can I link CL ads?

Craigslist ads can be linked

BeanE
01-29-2010, 08:36 AM
Copying these over from another thread for those sleuthing ads.


I just found this site. Not Craigslist, but very much like it. I happened across it in a child abuse news article out of Mesa AZ where the mom advertised as an escort, so may be used in the AZ area, and Eliz may have used it. I haven't even begun to sleuth it, because I just found it. Wanted to post the links in case some others have time to jump in and help sleuth it.

Place a free classified ad with photo. Find houses for rent, apts for rent, local jobs, and local for sale classifieds on backpage.com.

Main link with all cities:
http://www.backpage.com/

Phoenix:
http://phoenix.backpage.com/

San Antonio:
http://sanantonio.backpage.com/


I used this post: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - AZ-Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, MSG 26 Dec 09 thread #15 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4718730) and searched the Phoenix ads for listings similar to EJ's CL's listings and found nothing. I also searched for the last four digits of her phone number, no results.

Backpage is somewhat popular in Phoenix, so it's a good idea to check them to see if EJ posted there. Someone else may want to try other keywords to see if they can find anything.

BeanE
01-29-2010, 09:37 PM
NEW: Texas landfill search to begin for missing Tempe boy
ABC15.com staff, wire reports
Last Update: 5:41 pm

Meantime, Tempe detectives say they are holding out hope that Gabriel is still alive and won't discuss details of the ongoing investigation.

"Signs that Gabriel is alive are dwindling, that's why we need more tips to come in," said Tempe Sergeant Steve Carbajal.


http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/NEW-Texas-landfill-search-to-begin-for-missing/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx

danisisa
01-30-2010, 03:26 PM
What parks or event places did EJ go to again. This may be far fetched, but people always take pictures at parks, amusements parks, and big events. Most people now days use Flickr, Picassa, and other sites to upload them too. Please refresh me on the places she went to like that. I hope if we all band together and find pictures that people have posted, maybe EJ and the "the bad people" will be in the background of the pics to identify their faces.

BeanE
01-30-2010, 03:33 PM
What parks or event places did EJ go to again. This may be far fetched, but people always take pictures at parks, amusements parks, and big events. Most people now days use Flickr, Picassa, and other sites to upload them too. Please refresh me on the places she went to like that. I hope if we all band together and find pictures that people have posted, maybe EJ and the "the bad people" will be in the background of the pics to identify their faces.

That's a great idea, danisisa. We have rumors she went a park (unnamed), a rumor from Yami the reporter that she went to Raymond Russell County Park, and a rumor that she went to Six Flags.

NewMommy posted a list of places near the hotels like Seaworld. I think it's in the Flier thread.

danisisa
01-30-2010, 04:12 PM
Are there any event with balloon during that time....Something I felt last night....OR maybe pictures with balloons there. Balloons is sticking out in my mind. I will start surfing the net.

danisisa
01-30-2010, 05:49 PM
Events EJ may have attended. Try to find pics.

Christmas Celebration Sea World San Antonio
Entertainment - Events

11/21/2009 - 12/31/2009 at SeaWorld San Antonio

Six Flags Holiday In The Park
Entertainment - Theme/Water Parks

11/27/2009 - 01/03/2010 at Six Flags Fiesta Texas

Venue Name: Six Flags Fiesta Texas

Street Beat
Music - Rock/Pop, Cultural Centers - Art/Visual, Entertainment - Events

11/20/2009 - 01/01/2010 at Hausmann Millworks

Venue Name: Hausmann Millworks


River Walk Holiday Festivities
Entertainment - Events

11/29/2009 - 01/03/2010 at River Walk

Venue Name: River Walk

YellowSubmarine
01-31-2010, 01:11 AM
Well, I was able to gather that EJ's cell phone is through Cricket, opened account on 12/21 with $44 using the 78249 zip code

Marigold
01-31-2010, 01:53 AM
Well, I was able to gather that EJ's cell phone is through Cricket, opened account on 12/21 with $44 using the 78249 zip code

I don't know exactly where to post this, it's not quite a tip, but it's background on Cricket service for those that may be unfamiliar with this carrier.

Cricket provides two forms of prepaid service, pay by the month for unlimited service or you pay by the day on the days you use it with the Cricket PAYGo plan. Neither plan requires a deposit or a credit check. Generally speaking, when you buy a new phone from them, you get the first month of service for free. They've been offering a refurbed Samsung for 9.99 for the past few months and have also been sporadically offering deals on their unlimited monthly service that start at 25 dollars. Their deals change frequently, so the plans you see on their site today may not be what was offered in December.

It is very difficult, if not impossible for most people to use a non-Cricket phone with Cricket. Phones like the iPhone can not be used with Cricket. Cricket is part of the CDMA network. "Of the U.S. carriers, AT&T and T-Mobile use GSM while Sprint, Verizon, and smaller carriers such as such as MetroPCS and U.S. Cellular use CDMA." From http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phone-buying-guide/ However,you can use old Cricket phones for their service. Let's say I stopped service on my Cricket and gave it to my neighbor, he could then take it into a local Cricket store and get service in his name. Or, if I took my Cricket phone to another state, I could use it to get service in that state.

(Edited because TPS did not buy an iPhone on ebay, looks like she bought an iPod touch.)

About the charger supposedly found in EJ's room.. Cricket sells a phone, the TXTM8, that apparently uses the same charger as the "Apple iPhone 1st Genration, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3G S / iPod Touch 1st, 2nd Generation".
http://www.esmartphone.com/pcd-txtm8-usb-travel-charger-black.html
Maybe she was using the iPod charger to charge her TXTM8.

Prof
01-31-2010, 02:03 AM
Well, I was able to gather that EJ's cell phone is through Cricket, opened account on 12/21 with $44 using the 78249 zip code

YellowSubmarine, wow, ithat's a huge find! s this a tip from your own gathering, and does LE know yet?



FYI Marigold, They news media said IPod charger not Iphone charger, and that is what TS bought off of Ebay, an IPod --two different kinds of chargers there

The IPod as you may know is not a phone, but it does have wifi and internet browsing, and there is an app you can add for text messages, evidently

IF EJ had an IPod all she would need is a Cricket for telephone calls
IMO She called the babysitter most likely on the 21st or 22nd latest -- she needed a phone to call her at least
I am going to guess she called the 21st as the appointment seemed important

LadyL
01-31-2010, 02:16 AM
YellowSubmarine, wow, ithat's a huge find! s this a tip from your own gathering, and does LE know yet?



FYI Marigold, They news media said IPod charger not Iphone charger, and that is what TS bought off of Ebay, an IPod --two different kinds of chargers there

The IPod as you may know is not a phone, but it does have wifi and internet browsing, and there is an app you can add for text messages, evidently

IF EJ had an IPod all she would need is a Cricket for telephone calls
IMO She called the babysitter most likely on the 21st or 22nd latest -- she needed a phone to call her at least
I am going to guess she called the 21st as the appointment seemed important

[bbm]

when did TS buy the IPod?

not_my_kids
01-31-2010, 02:29 AM
There are four Craigslist ads, Two sinks, one steel and one marble type, the bed, and the massage tables. I'll go look for the other sink link.

Marigold
01-31-2010, 02:49 AM
FYI Marigold, They news media said IPod charger not Iphone charger, and that is what TS bought off of Ebay, an IPod --two different kinds of chargers there

The IPod as you may know is not a phone, but it does have wifi and internet browsing, and there is an app you can add for text messages, evidently

IF EJ had an IPod all she would need is a Cricket for telephone calls


Respectfully snipped to address

Prof, that site I linked to in my prior post sells a charger that works for the iPod, the iPhone as well as the TXTM8. The site says "Compatible with Apple iPhone 1st Genration, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3G S / iPod Touch 1st, 2nd Generation, PCD TXTM8"
http://www.esmartphone.com/pcd-txtm8-usb-travel-charger-black.html

Sorry for the confusion in my earlier post, I was actually making two points and they ended up mashed together. I'll go back and correct the post and clarify it here:
1) Non-CDMA phones (like the iPhone) do not work on the Cricket network
2) The Cricket TXTM8 can use a charger that is compatible with some iPhones as well as iPods, so EJ could have been using an iPod charger to charge her phone, if she owned a TXTM8.

Also, the Cricket TXT8 has mobile web and full texting capabilities, so if EJ had a TXTM8, she could have used that to surf the web as well as send messages without having to worry about using wi-fi. http://www.mycricket.com/cell-phones/details/Cricket-TXTM8
EJ may have even bought a used TXTM8 here in AZ, I just looked at CL and found a few that were $50 or so.

YellowSubmarine
01-31-2010, 02:57 AM
YellowSubmarine, wow, ithat's a huge find! s this a tip from your own gathering, and does LE know yet?

Just to keep this all together, Prof --

It's my own gathering after obtaining her cell # and no I did not submit anything to LE, assuming they have it. If anyone disagrees with that, let me know and I will!

DairyGirl
01-31-2010, 03:02 AM
Just to keep this all together, Prof --

It's my own gathering after obtaining her cell # and no I did not submit anything to LE, assuming they have it. If anyone disagrees with that, let me know and I will!

I wouldn't assume anything. I assumed that LE had her cell phone records and called everyone on it and interviewed them but then we find out from the baby sitter that she is the one that contacted LE after seeing a story on the news.

YellowSubmarine
01-31-2010, 03:28 AM
So . . . . if EJ was in SA on the 21st, but didn't check into Homegates until the 22nd, wonder where she stayed that first night . . . .

BeanE
01-31-2010, 07:11 AM
Just to keep this all together, Prof --

It's my own gathering after obtaining her cell # and no I did not submit anything to LE, assuming they have it. If anyone disagrees with that, let me know and I will!

LE has asked that people not assume they already have a tip, but to go ahead and call it in.

Good job, Yellow!

:blowkiss:

Ives
01-31-2010, 10:45 AM
With Cricket in SA, You can have a phone "flashed" and it will work with cricket, not sure about Iphones and such, but alot of phones from other carriers can be, also it is real iffy that some features will work when a phone is flashed, it most likely will not be able to send or receive picture messages.
also, our plans here tend to stay around the same. 44 a month is uselly all you need, unlimited everything, and may also include talk text and pics. 100 free min a month to mexico. and mobile web. also some roaming minutes, for unlimited roaming, it is a little bit more.
also, if she paid 4x.xx at cricket and walked out with a new phone, she could have bought the cheap phone, which does nothing except talk and text. or she got the cheapest plan and paid their 15.00 connection fee with a phone she brought in.

Kamille
01-31-2010, 11:15 AM
If LE did not have the babysitter's number on EJ's cell phone records, and we know she used the hotel lobby computer at some point, she might have looked up the babysitter from the lobby computer and called her using the hotel phone. They have free local direct calling according to their website. This would have been before she had her SA phone IMO, which some great sleuthing by Yellow Submarine tells us was on the 21st. So did she call the babysitter on the 20th as soon as she got there and make arrangements for the 23rd? Was it really the 23rd that the babysitter was there? This date comes from the housekeeping staff who say they saw her in the room. Are they sure about that date?

The babysitter has been very vague about when she was contacted and when she actually babysat and I don't really understand that. I wish someone who is interviewing her in the media would just come out and ask her. It seems pretty simple, did EJ call you and arrange another day to babysit and how many days in between was it. Or did she call you on the day you were to come and babysit and you went there right away. Why can't anyone get a straight answer about those most important details out of this girl? I can only confirm that it appears she was having a conversation on her myspace wall on the 21st during the noon hour. But I live in EST so I don't know how the times on myspace work. Would I be seeing times only in EST when viewing myspace so that the times I'm looking at aren't neccessarily correct if someone is in a different time zone? Can anyone answer this?

There have also been conflicting reports about what day EJ was checked into the Homegate hotel. Some say the 20th, others say the 22nd. I would think they would have weekly rates that would be cheaper so it makes more sense considering her travel time from AZ for her to have checked in on the 20th and paid for one week. I wish LE would clear that up in the media. I hope the family is more informed about that because it will make a difference in LM's trip out there. Is he looking for places she may have stopped on the 19th, 20th and 21st or can they confirm for him that she definitely made it to the Homegate on the 20th and he only has to consider that she stopped somewhere else on the 19th?

kissdegirl
01-31-2010, 11:49 PM
Yet another Sunday night, and the silence is :banghead:

Come on LE :rage:, give us something!!! Something great of course!

Prof
02-01-2010, 12:45 AM
If LE did not have the babysitter's number on EJ's cell phone records, and we know she used the hotel lobby computer at some point, she might have looked up the babysitter from the lobby computer and called her using the hotel phone. They have free local direct calling according to their website. This would have been before she had her SA phone IMO, which some great sleuthing by Yellow Submarine tells us was on the 21st. So did she call the babysitter on the 20th as soon as she got there and make arrangements for the 23rd? Was it really the 23rd that the babysitter was there? This date comes from the housekeeping staff who say they saw her in the room. Are they sure about that date?

The babysitter has been very vague about when she was contacted and when she actually babysat and I don't really understand that. I wish someone who is interviewing her in the media would just come out and ask her. It seems pretty simple, did EJ call you and arrange another day to babysit and how many days in between was it. Or did she call you on the day you were to come and babysit and you went there right away. Why can't anyone get a straight answer about those most important details out of this girl? I can only confirm that it appears she was having a conversation on her myspace wall on the 21st during the noon hour. But I live in EST so I don't know how the times on myspace work. Would I be seeing times only in EST when viewing myspace so that the times I'm looking at aren't neccessarily correct if someone is in a different time zone? Can anyone answer this?

There have also been conflicting reports about what day EJ was checked into the Homegate hotel. Some say the 20th, others say the 22nd. I would think they would have weekly rates that would be cheaper so it makes more sense considering her travel time from AZ for her to have checked in on the 20th and paid for one week. I wish LE would clear that up in the media. I hope the family is more informed about that because it will make a difference in LM's trip out there. Is he looking for places she may have stopped on the 19th, 20th and 21st or can they confirm for him that she definitely made it to the Homegate on the 20th and he only has to consider that she stopped somewhere else on the 19th?


I want answers to your questions, too
I also would like to know why there are reports that the hotel staff who identified the date the babysitter was there, say that the babysitter was not the one on the news --so could there have been two days where a babysitter came? or more? Maybe AU came on the 21st, for instance, and EJ did not like her because she was late arriving, so she found another babysitter for the 23rd?
It is possible she found someone else who either does not watch the news, or who does not want to the spotlight?

As far as time stamps, I assume they are in your time zone -- or the time zone you have your computer set to? For instance, I am posting this at 8:45 my time, and my computer right now is set to PST, so I see it as PST, but if I changed my computer to EST, I'd see the time stamp in EST--does that make sense to anyone? because I am not postive that it always works that way-- what time does it list me as posting this for you? lol

ETA OK I am wrong, as I just changed my computer clock and it did not change the time of this post - I guess it depends on the time zone you enter on your ms set up? just as you can change the time zone here on your WS set up?

So if the babysitter posted on her own MS at noon, that would be noon in SA, right? IDK I tried, and I'm too tired to think straight :P

time
02-01-2010, 02:12 AM
Great posts Kamille and Prof about the babysitter. I just don't get the strange discrepancy and the vagueness - the staff saying that is not the same person and the babysitter not knowing what day she was there.

time
02-01-2010, 02:19 AM
<snip>
So if the babysitter posted on her own MS at noon, that would be noon in SA, right? IDK I tried, and I'm too tired to think straight :P


I don;t know which of her pages you are checking (I'd have to look them up again anyway), but if two of you in two different times zones check out the time of that post and it's the same time, then it WOULD be stamped her timezone (Mountain Time) and that's what everyone sees? If not, then it seems it varies by the person's timezone looking at it.

Ives
02-01-2010, 10:39 AM
Places EJ could go--- Remember the Alamo!! LOL, if she ventured downtown, to the riverwalk, then the Alamo may be a place of interest as well :)

CathyinTexas
02-01-2010, 10:52 AM
So . . . . if EJ was in SA on the 21st, but didn't check into Homegates until the 22nd, wonder where she stayed that first night . . . .

I read on the associated content article that the police have talked to a friend of the Smith who live in San Antonio. I also wonder why it was that TS was adamant that EJ travelled to Victoria and then went back to SA to board a bus. That is such a detailed statement. Why? Couldn't she have ridden there with someone else, with Baby Gabriel, and then brought back to SA?

BeanE
02-01-2010, 11:45 AM
Sleuthers needed!

Two different items. These posts are in the Tips for Logan's Road Trip thread, and really should be in this thread.

I'd appreciate anyone who has time to take a look.

Thank you!

Please see these posts:

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02-01-2010, 02:26 PM
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YellowSubmarine
02-01-2010, 04:10 PM
Fantastic job Momtective! It's amazing what you can get by just making a phone call these days! I've been out with a migraine and need to catch up, pm me if you have anything new!

DairyGirl
02-01-2010, 05:24 PM
I guess you already know who also goes by that name, SJ?

I'm pretty sure that TPS said that EJ left AZ Friday, Dec 18th at night because she made a comment about her GPS being lit up on the dashboard. Don't know the exact time but it must have been dark. Could EJ have conceivably driven that distance in that period of time?

time
02-01-2010, 05:28 PM
I'm pretty sure that TPS said that EJ left AZ Friday, Dec 18th at night because she made a comment about her GPS being lit up on the dashboard. Don't know the exact time but it must have been dark. Could EJ have conceivably driven that distance in that period of time?

Boy, I don't know, good point.

Google says it's 550 mi – about 8 hours 32 mins

But, then again, I've always wondered when EJ really left Phoenix/Tempe - I guess that is because I wondered if Tammi said the whole thing about the GPS light just to be able to say she knew about the GPS.

But if the last check in was at ~1:30, then EJ would have had to leave by 6pm on the 18th, could have been dark?

DairyGirl
02-01-2010, 05:32 PM
I looked up my own question:
Tempe, Az to Van Horn, Tx
Total Travel Estimate: 7 hours 53 minutes / 549.51 miles

For EJ to make it from Tempe, Az to Van Horn, Tx in that time she would have to have left Tempe at about 5pm to 6pm. Would it have been dark at that time? Or at least dark enough to have lights on?
Ok, just checked:
Dec. 18

Twi: 6:58am
Sunrise: 7:25am
Sunset: 5:22pm
Twi: 5:49pm
Moonrise: 3:11pm
Moonset: 4:52am

Sunset at 5:22pm means that if she left at about 5:30pm she probably would have her lights on and she would have arrived in Van Horn, Tx at approx 1:30am.

DairyGirl
02-01-2010, 05:36 PM
Boy, I don't know, good point.

Google says it's 550 mi about 8 hours 32 mins

But, then again, I've always wondered when EJ really left Phoenix/Tempe - I guess that is because I wondered if Tammi said the whole thing about the GPS light just to be able to say she knew about the GPS.

But if the last check in was at ~1:30, then EJ would have had to leave by 6pm on the 18th, could have been dark?

We are thinking alike! It looks like if TPS was telling the truth for a change and EJ left just as it was getting dark and drove straight through she would have arrived in Van Horn, Tx at that time. I hope this tip has been called it. It looks very likely this is where she went. I hope LE has that information already, especially if they examined her GPS.

DairyGirl
02-01-2010, 05:38 PM
Also, it was night so there was no traffic and EJ might have been going faster then the speed limit. Looks like this is where she stopped. The question now is where did she go from here? If she drove the next day straight through she would have arrived in San Antonio on the 20th? Does LE know where she stayed on that day?

time
02-01-2010, 05:49 PM
Well, well... I had to go recheck to make sure of that location. And, it appears to fit within the parameters we know (thanks DairyGirl). I hope they have video there. Even if not, I bet one of the clerks might recognize Elizabeth if it was her or if it was the person who owned that CC. I'm smiling!!!!!!

OneLove
02-01-2010, 05:51 PM
I guess you already know who also goes by that name, SJ?

I'm feeling a little dimwitted and out-of-the-loop. Could you enlighten me?

DairyGirl
02-01-2010, 05:52 PM
Well, well... I had to go recheck to make sure of that location. And, it appears to fit within the parameters we know (thanks DairyGirl). I hope they have video there. Even if not, I bet one of the clerk might recognize Elizabeth if it was her. I'm smiling!!!!!!

It still leaves more questions then answers. How did EJ get the CC that was used. It is curious that the address is in one state and the phone number is in another. I wish I knew the car information and if she had a baby with her. If it is EJ and she had a CC from another person, how did she get it? Was this the start of her new identity?

debloree
02-01-2010, 05:59 PM
I'm feeling a little dimwitted and out-of-the-loop. Could you enlighten me?

Me too.......:waitasec:

January.
02-01-2010, 06:06 PM
Gosh, it's kind of scary that hotels will give out personal information like that to just anyone. Addresses and phone numbers?

That is fishy to me though, that the zip code is in an Augusta in one state, but the area code is in an Augusta in a different state. It's like this person chose Augusta as their fake home, but when they googled the area code to go with their fake address, they didn't realize that Augusta was in a different state. Strange indeed.

Prof
02-01-2010, 06:17 PM
Momtective rocks! I am frankly shocked that they would give out that much information!


Time, good point about the SJ initials -- I always thought her maiden name strangely coincidental and it may be just that, a coincidence

There is an S same last name as EJ on Pisgah Rd in North Augusta

time
02-01-2010, 06:18 PM
Gosh, it's kind of scary that hotels will give out personal information like that to just anyone. Addresses and phone numbers?

That is fishy to me though, that the zip code is in an Augusta in one state, but the area code is in an Augusta in a different state. It's like this person chose Augusta as their fake home, but when they googled the area code to go with their fake address, they didn't realize that Augusta was in a different state. Strange indeed.


north augusta, sc and augusta, ga are only 8 minutes apart

Prof
02-01-2010, 06:19 PM
T's mother's initials --at the moment-- One Love

time
02-01-2010, 06:20 PM
I see some are confused and I don't know if momtective has found info that will connect someone else and EJ to the hotel, I hope so. I am not trying to be cagey, I'm just not sure I want to point out who that someone else might be. Prof did post info on Tammi relatives living in Van Horn, TX.

January.
02-01-2010, 06:21 PM
north augusta, sc and augusta, ga are only 8 minutes apart

Well that would explain it. Seems to be just an innocent party then.

time
02-01-2010, 06:25 PM
Momtective rocks! I am frankly shocked that they would give out that much information!


Time, good point about the SJ initials -- I always thought her maiden name strangely coincidental and it may be just that, a coincidence

There is an S same last name as EJ on Pisgah Rd in North Augusta


Are you looking in the county court records?

aikencountysc.gov

time
02-01-2010, 06:29 PM
Well that would explain it. Seems to be just an innocent party then.

It explains the phone and different state/city zip - it does not mean it's just an innocent party though

momtective
02-01-2010, 06:47 PM
Momtective rocks! I am frankly shocked that they would give out that much information!


Time, good point about the SJ initials -- I always thought her maiden name strangely coincidental and it may be just that, a coincidence

There is an S same last name as EJ on Pisgah Rd in North Augusta

Thanks for checking that out Prof...I couldn't find a thing with the other spelling of Pisgah.
Sorry, it does look like it's an innocent party.

Krystylsea
02-01-2010, 06:55 PM
If LE did not have the babysitter's number on EJ's cell phone records, and we know she used the hotel lobby computer at some point, she might have looked up the babysitter from the lobby computer and called her using the hotel phone. They have free local direct calling according to their website. This would have been before she had her SA phone IMO, which some great sleuthing by Yellow Submarine tells us was on the 21st. So did she call the babysitter on the 20th as soon as she got there and make arrangements for the 23rd? Was it really the 23rd that the babysitter was there? This date comes from the housekeeping staff who say they saw her in the room. Are they sure about that date?

The babysitter has been very vague about when she was contacted and when she actually babysat and I don't really understand that. I wish someone who is interviewing her in the media would just come out and ask her. It seems pretty simple, did EJ call you and arrange another day to babysit and how many days in between was it. Or did she call you on the day you were to come and babysit and you went there right away. Why can't anyone get a straight answer about those most important details out of this girl? I can only confirm that it appears she was having a conversation on her myspace wall on the 21st during the noon hour. But I live in EST so I don't know how the times on myspace work. Would I be seeing times only in EST when viewing myspace so that the times I'm looking at aren't neccessarily correct if someone is in a different time zone? Can anyone answer this?

There have also been conflicting reports about what day EJ was checked into the Homegate hotel. Some say the 20th, others say the 22nd. I would think they would have weekly rates that would be cheaper so it makes more sense considering her travel time from AZ for her to have checked in on the 20th and paid for one week. I wish LE would clear that up in the media. I hope the family is more informed about that because it will make a difference in LM's trip out there. Is he looking for places she may have stopped on the 19th, 20th and 21st or can they confirm for him that she definitely made it to the Homegate on the 20th and he only has to consider that she stopped somewhere else on the 19th?

I wonder if anyone thought to check bsitters phone to cross check time that E called and get her phone # that way to tracks leads, clear as mud I know.

kissdegirl
02-01-2010, 07:04 PM
I wonder if anyone thought to check bsitters phone to cross check time that E called and get her phone # that way to tracks leads, clear as mud I know.

If I thought of that, surely LE would have by now, lol! If not LE, then LM's PI will...if he needs to, ;)

kissdegirl
02-03-2010, 04:21 PM
I guess this goes here. Here's a post regarding the carigslist adds about termination of rights.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Tips or Suggestions for Logan's trip

I entered that address into myspace, and got a hit. Don't know if I can post that? Anyway, I am trying to figure this persons last name. Do you think that SA LE has a phone book from EJ's hotel room? I wonder if this legal person might have been in there too? She may have removed the page from te phone book in her room, gone to the library??? and made a call to this person? If this person is not an actual attorney, then could someone explain to me how they would get these papers? Would someone working at a law office have access to that? I bet LE has her name?

BeanE
02-03-2010, 06:44 PM
If anyone can help me with Jack's parents' names, I'd appreciate it.

Please don't post full names though lol. First names are fine. First plus middle names will get you a :beagle:

Thanks
:blowkiss:

ETA: n/m. Info found.

SallyManda
02-04-2010, 09:38 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/03/florida.baby.returned/index.html?hpt=T2

Another story of someone selling a baby (from Florida-Orlando area). Parents were a little naive to hand their baby over to this crazy lady, but I suppose they weren't thinking clearly. This one was taken to Argentina. They did get her back. Doubt its connected but who knows.

These people are everywhere!

kissdegirl
02-04-2010, 11:04 AM
I guess this goes here. Here's a post regarding the carigslist adds about termination of rights.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Tips or Suggestions for Logan's trip (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4746763&postcount=49)

I entered that address into myspace, and got a hit. Don't know if I can post that? Anyway, I am trying to figure this persons last name. Do you think that SA LE has a phone book from EJ's hotel room? I wonder if this legal person might have been in there too? She may have removed the page from te phone book in her room, gone to the library??? and made a call to this person? If this person is not an actual attorney, then could someone explain to me how they would get these papers? Would someone working at a law office have access to that? I bet LE has her name?

Found lots of ads by this person throughout TX, wow. From changing names (adult/minors), to termination of parental rights. EJ would have seen these before or after arriving in SA. Yikes. I did find out who the person is, full name and location (SA) and turned the tip over to LM and LE.