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JBean
02-03-2010, 08:08 PM
The threads should be topic specific and we should all try and stay on topic as much as possible.
Because there were so many general discussion threads open, there is confusion where to post things.
If we keep the threads more focused that confusion will disappear.
If you have a thread called The Smiths it doesn't tell anyone what belongs on it.
So break your thread into topics about specific things about the Smiths
1. Tammis' background
2. Arrest- release information
3. Timeline surrounding gabriels disappearance
4. Evidence to date

and so on.
if you have a thought about something, look and see if it is being discussed. if it is ,bump that thread and continue discussion there. Don't start a thread just to ask a single yes or no question. Look and see if your question fits into a topic. if you have a new topic idea and it is not being discussed go ahead and start a new thread. be sure to search first.

Please don't post the same thing on 2 threads. I know it may have overlap and can go on two threads, but please pick the best one or we have parallel discussions going on.

Think about being able to retirve information at trial or as new developments come up. It is hard to isolate discussion in a general discussion or broad topic thread, but it is easy to find a specific topic and update it with information.

You will get into a groove before you know it and follow the lead of posters that have been here a but longer.They can be very helpful and provide guidance if you are unsure.

Thank you! the goal is to be able to discuss every aspect of the case and devote threads to those apsects.

Bforster
02-03-2010, 08:53 PM
"Threadiquette" I love it!!!

BeanE
02-03-2010, 09:50 PM
JBean, I hope it's okay to ask this here. There are constant questions about the rules on posting from Facebook and Myspace. Could you please address:

- is paraphrase and link the allowed way to post from FB/MS?
- is it allowed to post a screencap of FB/MS?
- is it allowed to post a screencap of FB/MS that's captured from a news video?
- what if the FB/MS posting has been deleted, but we have a copy of it?
- what if the FB/MS posting has been deleted, but it's posted somewhere on the net?
- what if I can't link to it - can I discuss it anyway?
- what if I really really really want to post it anyway even though everybody is telling me it's against the rules?
- is it okay for me to post something I think is against the rules and just put 'a mod can delete it if it's against the rules'?

Also, could you address posting emails? Two types of emails - an email one of us may have received directly, and an email someone else claims to have received and has posted on the internet.
- Can these be posted even though there's no way to verify it's a real email? If so, how should they be posted?
- If we can't post them, can we still discuss them even though we can't substantiate them?

Also, could I have a :beagle: please?

It would be so helpful just to be able to link to this info as these questions come up frequently.

Thank you!

debloree
02-03-2010, 11:30 PM
I made some new threads and tried my best to bring some of the old posts to them in some type of order. I hope they are ok? If not please tell me what I am doing wrong. Thanks.

JBean
02-03-2010, 11:53 PM
you are doing great debloree and thank you.
BeanE I will answer your post in a little bit.

JBean
02-03-2010, 11:53 PM
feel free to leave me questions here and I will answer as I am able.

JBean
02-04-2010, 12:22 AM
Regarding facebook,twitter, and myspace you can link but do not cut and paste. But the goal is to really only link to those that are directly linked to a case.

IOW, we don't want to post to someone's mother, brother, employer, milkman , or postal carrier just because they know the main player. It just gets too invasive and half the time we are not even sure it is the right person. When a post starts out, I found 5 people with this name do you you think any of these are [insert person here]? that is not a good thing.
It will often be up to mod discretion as to who can and cannot be linked, but the general rule of thumb is if they are named in the media specifically as having some role or are being questioned or have information then you are probably safe to link. No screen caps and no cutting and pasting. If a social media is set to private and you get in the back way and post what you see, that is not a good thing!Private means private.
Just imagine it is you if you cannot decide and you shoulod be able to figure out if it is ok.
You are free to discuss what you may come upon,but if it is just a lot of gossip and rumor it won't fly. People open facebook accounts and post whatever they want and to carry that as some sort of inside info is careless. but, sometimes there is really valuable information that may even come into evidence as in the Caylee Anthony case.So, if you know for a fact it is the right person and they are named outright in the msm as someone linked to the case it should be fine. IF IT IS A MINOR DON"T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!!
If something was posted as public and then removed you might be able to post it, it is up to te mod of the forum and it depends on who, what, when and where.
The mods are listed at the bottom right of the forum under the index, they can generally help. If not, they will ask admin for guidance and we will all decide what is best.

Generally we try not to invade everyone's privacy and if the linked information has no bearing on anything, then leave it out.

We moderate here. Some people love it and some people hate it. Up to you to stay or go, choice is yours. Complaining about our rules doesn't help. if you have a suggestion or think of a better way, bring it on! We are far from perfect and welcome your input as long as it is civil and basically polite.
More later.

JBean
02-04-2010, 12:26 AM
>> is it okay for me to post something I think is against the rules and just put 'a mod can delete it if it's against the rules'?<<
This right here will get you a time out.
We don't read every post
If people are giving you some advice, they probably are trying to save you a TO. It is up to you to know the rules. We try and let each poster know what is going on when they screw up, but sometimes it is just too much and the mods can't be sending everyone a personal run down on the rules. PLEASE ALERT on an offending post or one that is breaking the rules. Don't quote it and carry it through the thread. the thread will end up pulled for review until a moderator can get to cleaning it up. The more time it takes the longer the thread with all your hard work will be gone.

JBean
02-04-2010, 12:46 AM
Also, could I have a :beagle: please?

Yes, but you have to feed it ,walk it, and clean up its poop.

DaneBramage
02-04-2010, 01:11 AM
Thanks for the thread! Mods are often unappreciated out in the Interwebz...

not_my_kids
02-04-2010, 01:16 AM
JBean, whenever you wander back through...would you rather that the "regulars" remind the newbies of the rules or that we back off? It can be a little difficult to keep track of everything, especially since the rules are a bit fluid. (That's not a bad thing, but it takes a while for the word to get around when they change.)

JBean
02-04-2010, 01:44 AM
JBean, whenever you wander back through...would you rather that the "regulars" remind the newbies of the rules or that we back off? It can be a little difficult to keep track of everything, especially since the rules are a bit fluid. (That's not a bad thing, but it takes a while for the word to get around when they change.)
good question. If the old timers want to politely let the newbies know when they have broken one of the mechanical type rules as we are talking about here,(copyright, linking to "bad sites,etc) then that is helpful. But when it gets into admonishing one another then it gets a little annoying. It is bad enough to have mods breathing down your neck, but throw a few hundred posters on that and it is a little much.

If you see that one older poster has let someone know that they broken one of the fluid, mechanical-procedural type rules we probably don't need 10 people telling that person as well.

BIG BIG Exception to this is if you see rude,OT, namecalling, hostile,trollish,attacking,argumentative type rule breaking. Those types of a posts should be alerted on (little triangle in the top right corner of each post) and not addressed in any way at all by other members. Those are vacationing type posts and you should alert, ignore and scroll right by. If you tell someone you are going to ignore them or that they are being rude or otherwise attack them back , you may find yourself on a no expenses paid vacation as well.

Does that help?

ETA: Regarding alerts. The alerts go to the moderators mailboxes. They are not online all the time. So, if time goes by and the offensive post is not acted upon, it may be because no one has been online to look at it yet. please don't threaten us in the alert text box about what you will do if we don't do what you want immediately; and don't alert on the same post over and over. We all volunteer and do the best we can. :) thanks.

WholeLottaRosie
02-04-2010, 02:28 AM
Thanks, JBean. What a great thread. Let me just say, I REALLY appreciate this and will probably reread often. ;o)

JBean
02-04-2010, 04:51 PM
If a thread falls to the back page, just post on it and that will "bump" it to the front page. No need to start a new one :)

JBean
02-04-2010, 05:00 PM
If an administrator or a mod comes in and really screws up your threads, they can be given a TO. However good luck getting someone to fix their mess while they are gone on TO.

stormmolly
02-04-2010, 05:12 PM
Could you please tell me how to move a post to another thread, never done this yet, I did read the faqs, but not sure how, Thank you,

JBean
02-04-2010, 05:15 PM
Could you please tell me how to move a post to another thread, never done this yet, I did read the faqs, but not sure how, Thank you,
Actually you cannot. you can copy and paste it. But I can actually move it for you.

JBean
02-04-2010, 05:17 PM
As you can see I have put myself on Time out for disturbing the threads.
Please link any posts you want moved to the right thread right here and tell me what thread you want it in and I will fix it tonight.

link the post AND link the thread

so sorry but it's not too bad.

stormmolly
02-04-2010, 05:24 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95089&page=4

move to: Tammi Peters Smith Psych Profile and indicators - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Hope I did this right, Thank you JBean

BeanE
02-04-2010, 05:32 PM
Please move Posts:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Psych Profile- Elizabeth Johnson


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Psych Profile- Elizabeth Johnson


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Tammi Peters Smith- Background


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Tammi Peters Smith- Background


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Tammi Peters Smith- Background


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Tammi Peters Smith- Background


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Tammi Peters Smith- Background


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Tammi Peters Smith- Background



To Thread:

Tammi Peters Smith Psych Profile and indicators - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


(after you get off timeout, of course) :dance: :angel:

JBean
02-04-2010, 06:08 PM
okay done and done.
stormmolly you did not link a post only a thread so I guessed which one you wanted moved.

Please check it out, because I am in major screw up mode today. post migraine mischief.

To link a specific post in the future, click the number of the post it is white and in the right hand top corner area of your post. It will come up in a window all its own with a separate addy. just copy it and paste it where you want it and it will become a nice clickable link to your post.

not_my_kids
02-04-2010, 07:15 PM
JBean, I am totally confuzzled. I did a transcript of the interview with Tammi and jack after Tammi got out of jail, and I don't know whether to leave it here: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TAMMI posted bail, she is out of jail 2/3
or to move it to documents:
Documents Thread- Gabriel Johnson Case **NO DISCUSSION** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
or Media:
AZ-Gabriel Johnson, 8 months News Media and Updated Information ONLY. No Discussion. - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

I throw myself on your mercy to move it if necessary. All the others were done in General Discussion, so I am lost.

stormmolly
02-04-2010, 08:00 PM
Thank you JBean yes, you got it right, so much appreciated

JBean
02-04-2010, 08:43 PM
JBean, I am totally confuzzled. I did a transcript of the interview with Tammi and jack after Tammi got out of jail, and I don't know whether to leave it here: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TAMMI posted bail, she is out of jail 2/3 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4771686&postcount=195)
or to move it to documents:
Documents Thread- Gabriel Johnson Case **NO DISCUSSION** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95010)
or Media:
AZ-Gabriel Johnson, 8 months News Media and Updated Information ONLY. No Discussion. - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93927)

I throw myself on your mercy to move it if necessary. All the others were done in General Discussion, so I am lost.It should be in the released from jail thread. :)
as an aside, any time something goes into a NO DISCUSSION thread it is no harm no foul because it cannot generate parallel discussion,which is why we ask it only be posted in one place.

BeanE
02-04-2010, 10:18 PM
JBean, Could you please move this post:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Tammi Peters Smith- Background


to this thread:
Elizabeth Johnson-Background Info - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thanks!

JBean
02-07-2010, 02:31 PM
New to the case? You might want to start here:
AZ-Gabriel Johnson, 8 months News Media and Updated Information ONLY. No Discussion. - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

That is a chronological no discussion list of media articles from the begininng. Easy to get the basics of the case, player names and general theories. Then, look over the threads and see what topic you would like to investigate and discuss further.
All of the threads titled **No Discussion** are for general reference and will have most case details without chit chat.

You will be caught up in no time and we look foward to your contributions to the ongoing discussions.

JBean
02-08-2010, 09:29 PM
Reminder about public information.
Please do not cut and paste just link to the info. This linking should be limited to those that are specifically named in the case as a suspect, a player or someone having some information specific to the case. Generally if a person is named in the main stream media in one of the capacities I just referenced then linking to their public info should be fine.The mods in each forum have discretion as to how far it can go so you will find that not all forums are exactly the same. it all depends on the case and what is going on with it.

As I posted earlier, we do not want to invade the privacy of others by posting addresses and phone numbers from public info. The search site can be linked and each of us can look and review the information, so please do not post it here.

DairyGirl
02-09-2010, 09:02 PM
Can someone open the Nancy Grace thread?

luckygirl
02-09-2010, 09:03 PM
Can someone open the Nancy Grace thread?

Yes, I was excited to see it and then noticed it was closed :(

DairyGirl
02-09-2010, 09:04 PM
I started a new one. I hope that is ok.

JBean
02-09-2010, 09:12 PM
I started a new one. I hope that is ok.
That was exactly the right thing to do.

Thank you

not_my_kids
02-18-2010, 11:39 AM
Could we post it somewhere with a mod seal of approval that Associated Content is a blog, not to be confused with the Associated Press?
AC is full of sensationilistic and wrong info and they get quoted a lot.

(Not to mention I get suspicious attempted download warning from about half their "articles.")

BeanE
02-18-2010, 11:58 AM
Could we post it somewhere with a mod seal of approval that Associated Content is a blog, not to be confused with the Associated Press?
AC is full of sensationilistic and wrong info and they get quoted a lot.

(Not to mention I get suspicious attempted download warning from about half their "articles.")

Sure :-)

Associated Content is a paid blog site. It is entirely different from the Associated Press, a long-established, credible mainstream media source of news.

We want to stick with using credible, established media, as well as court documents, LE reports, etc, as our source references, because members and guests alike come to Websleuths as a source of reliable information about the cases we sleuth.

If there's a useful piece of information in a blog that no established reference can be found for, let's look at it on a case-by-case basis.

Thanks!
BeanE

not_my_kids
02-18-2010, 08:22 PM
Can I post the reply that I got from KENS5 regarding how they figured the value of the ring EJ allegedly had with her?

JBean
02-18-2010, 09:29 PM
Can I post the reply that I got from KENS5 regarding how they figured the value of the ring EJ allegedly had with her?
ask the author of the email for permission to post it in its entirety.

BeanE
02-27-2010, 08:58 AM
Not Good:

- posting the full name of a person who is not a POI, suspect, or charged person in this case.

- posting someone's phone numbers or addresses.

- copying and pasting messages or comments from other sites.

- violating people's privacy

- reading this thread and violating the guidelines anyway.


Good:

- using a person's initials or first name only.

- providing a link to a search site people can use if they wish to obtain phone numbers or addresses.

- providing a link to a site that provides a phone number or address only when it's necessary to substantiate something.

- paraphrasing a message or comment and providing a link so others can go read the full message if they wish.

- being careful not to violate people's privacy.

- reading this thread and following the guidelines, asking questions where you're not sure.

- PMing a mod and asking if something is okay to post before you post it.


If you have any questions, please PM or post them here.

Thanks!
BeanE

BeanE
02-27-2010, 07:03 PM
Please don't start threads on individual persons. Threads need to be topic specific. If you're unsure of what topic to use for a thread, please feel free to PM me.

Please keep in mind that Gabe's family members are victims, not POIs or suspects. We won't be sleuthing them.

Thanks,
BeanE

BeanE
03-02-2010, 10:12 AM
Gentle reminder:

When a website is not permitted to be linked or discussed here, no associated sites are permitted to be linked or discussed here as well.

Please don't post them, please don't discuss their content.

Members and guests come to Websleuths for reliable, credible information, and these guidelines are what have helped to establish Websleuths as one of the best crime forums on the Internet. (The best IMO!)

Thank you for your cooperation and participation in making and keeping WS great!

BeanE

ETA: If you come across information, and you'd like some verification of it, don't forget that you can add questions for Gabe's family in the Question for the Family thread here:
Questions for the Family **No Discussion** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Boo Scout
03-02-2010, 10:45 AM
Gentle reminder:

When a website is not permitted to be linked or discussed here, no associated sites are permitted to be linked or discussed here as well.

Please don't post them, please don't discuss their content.

Members and guests come to Websleuths for reliable, credible information, and these guidelines are what have helped to establish Websleuths as one of the best crime forums on the Internet. (The best IMO!)

Thank you for your cooperation and participation in making and keeping WS great!

BeanE

ETA: If you come across information, and you'd like some verification of it, don't forget that you can add questions for Gabe's family in the Question for the Family thread here:
Questions for the Family **No Discussion** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94668)

I have read the Terms of Service and I have read Threadiquette. And I still feel like I'm a complete novice sometimes at knowing what can and cannot be posted.

When I have a question about posting something I've gone and looked for its suitability and don't post if I'm not sure. I try really hard to post appropriately. But I'm confused b/c one I posted I didn't have any thought that it wouldn't be acceptable, so I didn't go searching as I noted above.

Are the TOS and Threadiquette the best sources for what links / sites are acceptable to reference?
Is there a list of actual sites that Websleuths does not allow us to link to? How do I know if a site is associated with a site that is not allowed to be linked here?
Should I always ask or will I annoy the mods if I do that?

BeanE
03-02-2010, 11:07 AM
I have read the Terms of Service and I have read Threadiquette. And I still feel like I'm a complete novice sometimes at knowing what can and cannot be posted.

When I have a question about posting something I've gone and looked for its suitability and don't post if I'm not sure. I try really hard to post appropriately.

But what I'm confused about is that the one I posted I didn't have any thought that it wouldn't be acceptable, so I didn't go searching as I noted above.

Are the TOS and Threadiquette the best sources for what links / sites are acceptable to reference? Is the lesson to always ask or will I annoy the mods if I do that?

Hi, Boo. Thanks so much for your post. We have the TOS, and we have Threadiquette, but there are still some things that, as Tricia says, are grey areas, and they have to be looked at on a case by case, forum by forum, issue by issue basis.

On the link you posted, the source is associated with a website that's not permitted. To be honest, I don't know if we have a list of sites that can't be linked, but I'm going to ask admin, and I'm going to get back to everybody with an answer about that.

Basically, at any time you (or anybody) isn't sure about the guidelines, the very best thing you can do is to PM a mod. We don't mind at all! We love it when people do that! It actually saves us work in the long run. So please, everyone should always feel free to PM a mod with any questions at all. I promise - we love it!

If you're not sure who the mods are for any forum on WS, go to the main page of the specific forum you're in, scroll all the way to the bottom, and towards the right hand side you'll see a list of that forum's mods. It's right next to the list of who's currently reading the forum.

If you can't find it, don't worry! You can always PM any mod at all, and if they don't work in that forum, they'll find you a mod who does.

Again, PMing mods, admins, or Tricia is always welcome and encouraged!

I'm a mini-mod for Gabe's forum. If you ever can't get hold of me, JBean is an admin as well as a mod for Gabe's forum.

Let me also see if there's a list available of which mods work in which forums, and who all the admins are, and I'll get that info in here too.

I hope this helps. If not, holler at me :)

Thanks again, Boo.
BeanE

BeanE
03-02-2010, 02:40 PM
This link will show you which mods work on each of the forums, as well as who all the admins are.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showgroups.php

Thank you to JBean for the link!

BeanE
03-14-2010, 03:59 PM
If you can't post something due to TOS or other forum guidelines, then please don't post about what you can't post. For example, "I'm thinking something but I can't post it here."

Thanks,
BeanE

BeanE
03-21-2010, 12:42 PM
Please see JBean's post regarding posting of images and pictures here:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Copyright Reminder

Thanks!
BeanE

BeanE
04-13-2010, 05:26 PM
Posting essentially the same thing more than two times is spam, and is against the guidelines.

Going from thread to thread and posting essentially the same thing means you are not only spamming, but going off-topic in thread after thread. Posting off-topic is also against the guidelines.

I'm having to spend way too much time moving off-topic posts to the thread where they belong, and asking everyone to stay on topic. You've all now been here long enough, and seen enough of my requests, that you need to start being more careful about making sure your posts are on-topic.

Before you hit Submit, look at the thread title, and take a second to think about whether you're in the thread where your post fits. If not, copy it, go to the thread where it does fit, and post it there.

From now on, posts that are spam and/or off-topic will either be deleted or moved to an Off Topic Posts thread.

Please be considerate of your fellow sleuthers by keeping our threads on-topic and spam-free.

Thank you,
BeanE

BeanE
06-30-2010, 11:09 PM
A number of Gabe related FBs and sites have been created by persons whose sites are banned from WS. It is not always readily apparent on the Facebook or other website that they are associated with these persons.

Therefore, if there is a link to a Gabe related Facebook or other website you would like to post, please do not post the link - instead, PM me the link to review, and I'll let you know if the Facebook or website can be posted.

Also please remember, that if we can't post a link to a Facebook or website on WS, we can't discuss the content of it.

Thank you for your cooperation -
BeanE

BeanE
08-23-2010, 07:20 AM
A number of Gabe related FBs and sites have been created by persons whose sites are banned from WS. It is not always readily apparent on the Facebook or other website that they are associated with these persons.

Therefore, if there is a link to a Gabe related Facebook or other website you would like to post, please do not post the link - instead, PM me the link to review, and I'll let you know if the Facebook or website can be posted.

Also please remember, that if we can't post a link to a Facebook or website on WS, we can't discuss the content of it.

Thank you for your cooperation -
BeanE

Bumping. A thread was started in which this guidance was apparently forgotten.

There hasn't been much activity in Gabe's case for a while, but the rules here in his forum haven't changed. Please review them if you've forgotten what they are.

You can't get around the rules about not posting Facebook screencaps, and not discussing FB posts that have been deleted, by linking to screencaps on another site. :nono:

Also, if you are having conflicts with other people on Facebook or elsewhere on the net, please don't post about them here. This forum is about Gabe, and is for discussing his case.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to PM myself or JBean, or post your questions here.

Thanks!
BeanE

BeanE
08-23-2010, 07:56 AM
Rumor is information that has no credible source to substantiate it, such a mainstream media article or video, or a court document.

We don't post and spread rumor here on Websleuths. We support information with links to credible sources. That's what makes Websleuths a cut above other true crime forums and websites, and that's a big part of why our members and guests come here.

If you would like to post or discuss information that has no supporting MSM or court document link to support it, please PM the information to myself or JBean, along with links to whatever information you do have, and we'll review it to see if it can be posted for discussion.

If you have any questions about this or any guidance or rules on WS, please don't hesitate to PM myself, JBean, or Tricia.

Thanks!
BeanE

Sunrisenow
02-04-2014, 06:43 PM
I have a question, and I apologize if it has been answered elsewehere, I haven't found that information. :blushing:

If we find and post a valid (MSM, LE etc.) link to a missing persons case resolved - either found safe, alive, deceased - what are we supposed to do? Or aren't we supposed to do anything else, and a moderator or admin will find it sooner or later, and move the thread to the located area?
Thanks so much for clearing that up for me. :)