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Missizzy
02-06-2010, 02:29 AM
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7260118
'A boy was discovered dead in a Midtown Manhattan hotel, apparently at the hands of his mother.
The 8-year-old was found inside the Peninsula Hotel on Fifth Avenue just before noon.
Investigators said police arrived at the hotel and found the boy, Jude Michael Mirra, dead on the bed."
Filly
02-06-2010, 02:33 AM
Poor, poor baby. Jude, I'm so sorry sweetie.
What is wrong with people?
FifthEssence
02-06-2010, 02:48 AM
Police Say Gigi Jordan Killed Autistic Son, Botched Suicide Over Marital Woes
Gigi Jordan, 49, distraught over the recent end of her marriage, checked in to the Peninsula Hotel where she allegedly killed the boy and then tried to kill herself by taking an overdose of drugs, police said.
Filly
02-06-2010, 03:00 AM
Huffington Post has a ton of comments. So, this woman wrote or called her aunt in Belgium and told her she was going to kill her son and herself and aunt called NYC police.
Looks like dad is in Pharmaceuticals and lives in Pennsylvania.
Sad. Sad. Sad. Poor little guy had autism. Now mom if she survives lives with this? Lord only knows what was going through her mind. Sad.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/05/gigi-jordan-peninsula-hot_n_451399.html
FifthEssence
02-06-2010, 03:41 AM
Huffington Post has a ton of comments. So, this woman wrote or called her aunt in Belgium and told her she was going to kill her son and herself and aunt called NYC police.
Looks like dad is in Pharmaceuticals and lives in Pennsylvania.
Sad. Sad. Sad. Poor little guy had autism. Now mom if she survives lives with this? Lord only knows what was going through her mind. Sad.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/05/gigi-jordan-peninsula-hot_n_451399.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/06/nyregion/06hotel.html?ref=todayspaper
Ms. Jordan’s ex-husband, Raymond A. Mirra Jr., was notified about the boy’s death by the police in Pennsylvania, where he lives, said Patrick J. Egan, a lawyer in Philadelphia for Mr. Mirra. He was not the boy’s father.
Mr. Mirra and Ms. Jordan were married in December 1998 and divorced in November 2001, according to public records in Nevada. Shortly after their divorce, Ms. Jordan married a man investigators believe was Jude’s father, according to the public records.
Murdering her own innocent son was quite a selfish act.
Filly
02-06-2010, 05:05 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/06/nyregion/06hotel.html?ref=todayspaper
Ms. Jordan’s ex-husband, Raymond A. Mirra Jr., was notified about the boy’s death by the police in Pennsylvania, where he lives, said Patrick J. Egan, a lawyer in Philadelphia for Mr. Mirra. He was not the boy’s father.
Mr. Mirra and Ms. Jordan were married in December 1998 and divorced in November 2001, according to public records in Nevada. Shortly after their divorce, Ms. Jordan married a man investigators believe was Jude’s father, according to the public records.
Murdering her own innocent son was quite a selfish act.
Thank you so much Fifth. My bad assumption.
I wonder who this poor boy's father is?
Thank you again. Sorry for the mix-up. It's weird how so many times we see a parent in this act of desperation murder/suicide, but they end up living. How's that work. One has to wonder. The poor boy is foaming at the mouth dead, but mom is overdosed. In bad shape no doubt, but still very much alive.
Filly
02-06-2010, 05:26 AM
Oh boy. I'm not sure how reliable this source is, but they have an intended suicide note.
On Page 2 of the note Ms. Jordan said her son, Jude was in constant pain. Then she goes into believing he was the victim of rape. She says many wealthy men trade child pornography like it's no big deal.
At the end of the note she does try and make some sort of absolution saying it's a sin to kill, and stuff about Jesus.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/02/06/2010-02-06_jude_was_only_joy_in_life_full_of_torment_lette r.html
O.K. M.s Jordan says in the letter she discussed this issue with Flint Waters who is an ex-FBI agent who now is the head of Wyomings internet child pornography investigative team. He's developed software to track child pornographers online. He's been on Oprah. Calls to Agent Waters have not been returned.
Whoa!
smart blonde
02-06-2010, 05:40 AM
I feel terrible for the aunt in Belgium. Can you imagine her panic, and her feelings of complete helplessness getting that kind of phone call, and then trying to reach the authorities in the United States before it was too late?
And then, having it be too late?
My heart goes out to the aunt. How tragically sad.
smart blonde
02-06-2010, 05:44 AM
Oh boy. I'm not sure how reliable this source is, but they have an intended suicide note.
On Page 2 of the note Ms. Jordan said her son, Jude was in constant pain. Then she goes into believing he was the victim of rape. She says many wealthy men trade child pornography like it's no big deal.
At the end of the note she does try and make some sort of absolution saying it's a sin to kill, and stuff about Jesus.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/02/06/2010-02-06_jude_was_only_joy_in_life_full_of_torment_lette r.html
O.K. M.s Jordan says in the letter she discussed this issue with Flint Waters who is an ex-FBI agent who now is the head of Wyomings internet child pornography investigative team. He's developed software to track child pornographers online. He's been on Oprah. Calls to Agent Waters have not been returned.
Whoa!
I'm sorry, but I'd take anything this woman claims with a grain of salt. She very well may have been delusional.
I'm not saying her allegations shouldn't be checked out, but in my mind, she lost all credibility when she murdered an innocent child. Her own innocent child.
Filly
02-06-2010, 06:09 AM
I'm sorry, but I'd take anything this woman claims with a grain of salt. She very well may have been delusional.
I'm not saying her allegations shouldn't be checked out, but in my mind, she lost all credibility when she murdered an innocent child. Her own innocent child.
The same thing I thought, SB.
O.K. it gets weirder. She marries Emil Tzekov only six days after the divorce from Mirra. Emil Tzekov has been notified of his son's death. He has not seen his son or his son's mother (they divorced) in about a year. He resides in California.
I look this guy up, and here ya go.
http://www.myspace.com/461550360
Trust me I'm all about Yoga. Never got as far as getting into the Tantra and such, but this guy is well have a look. Again, he is the father of an innocent murdered child. I just wonder how she met this guy. A search of names doesn't list him as Emil. I'm sure it's a long ethnic name he shortened.
Maybe he taught her Yoga? He belongs to a group called Valentino Brothers. They have a .com. They're flexibility seems to be a huge factor in their success. Again his child has been murdered. It's just so sad for this little boy. Meanwhile who knows what's going on in this woman's head?
Masterj
02-06-2010, 08:18 AM
This happened across the street from my office. I heard the sirens all day and there were about 8 police cars, 1 ambulance and 1 fire truck. Then later on, the place was inundated with media trucks. It breaks my heart, that poor, poor child.
What could drive someone to such a desperate and cruel act?
mysticrose
02-06-2010, 10:03 AM
8-Year-Old Found Dead at Peninsula Hotel; Mother SuspectedBy Roy Edroso, Friday, Feb. 5 2010 @ 1:52PMComments (0)
An 8-year-old boy has been found dead at the Peninsula Hotel at 55th Street and Fifth Avenue. His mother, allegedly a "socialite" named Gigi Jordan, 49, who lives at the Trump International on the West Side, checked into the hotel with the boy on Wednesday and left "alarming e-mail messages" with a relative in Belgium, who contacted hotel management.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/02/8-year-old_foun.php
mysticrose
02-06-2010, 10:04 AM
February 5, 2010, 2:21 pm Boy Found Dead in Midtown Hotel
Police detectives are investigating the suspected killing of a 9-year-old boy who was discovered dead in the Peninsula Hotel in Midtown Manhattan on Friday afternoon along with a severely incapacitated woman relative, the authorities said.
Officers responded to the hotel, at 700 Fifth Avenue, off 55th Street, after relatives of the woman called the police to report that she had contacted them and that they were worried some harm might have come to the child, the police said.
Officers were redirected to the hotel after going to her apartment, on Central Park West, said Paul J. Browne, the Police Department’s chief spokesman. The boy was dead when they arrived, possibly after being given some type of prescription drugs, Mr. Browne said
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/boy-found-dead-in-midtown-hotel-murder-suspected/
mysticrose
02-06-2010, 10:06 AM
Gigi Jordan - NYC Rich Wife Kills Boy Over Marriage Failure
by Jack Ryan
A rich wealthy New York mother killed her 8-year-old son and tried to herself due to her failed marriage. According to reports, Gigi Jordan, 49, was found by the police in a luxury Peninsula hotel on Fifth Ave.
Her son had been dead about a day before the police found the mother laying next to him in bed with prescription pills
all around the room. Police reported that the child was foaming at the mouth from the drugs his mother forced him to take
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212283048.shtml
mysticrose
02-06-2010, 10:09 AM
Autistic Boy, 8, Found Murdered in the Peninsula Hotel, Mom Next to Him February 5, 2010 2:25pm
An 8-year-old autistic boy was found dead in a five-star hotel room on Fifth Avenue Friday, police said, possibly murdered at the hands of his mother who was discovered unconscious on the floor next to him.
Authorities found the lifeless body of the boy — identified by friends as Jude — lying on the bed of a room at the Hotel Peninsula about noon Friday. His mother, identified by police sources as Gigi Jordan, 49, was found unconscious beside him.
Prescription pills and papers were found littered around the hotel room, according to police sources.
"That poor baby, poor Jude," said a distraught Lisa Battaglia, whose husband Victor used to work for Jordan at one of her many pharmaceutical companies.
"He was autistic. He was her life. She did everything for him. Everything was around this child, she was doing research constantly, she was a nurse by trade and she had doctor contacts all over."
A relative in Belgium apparently called the police after the mother sent a terrifying email threatening to kill herself and the child, which led the NYPD to track him to the hotel room after first looking for the pair at their apartment at the Trump International Towers, on Central Park South.
Authorities had to force their way into the hotel room through a double-locked door and a chair that had been propped against it, police sources said.
"This is not the Gigi I knew," said Battaglia, who said she had not spoken to Jordan in years.
"She was so devoted to her son. Somehow she must have been overwhelmed. All I can think of is that she couldn't take it anymore and she thought no one could take care of her child. Knowing Gigi, I don't think that it was over a man or a divorce. I think this was over her child."
Jordan, a Belgium native who had lived all over the U.S., went to great lengths to become pregnant, succeeding in 2001 at age 40, friends said
Read more: http://dnainfo.com/20100205/midtown-west-hells-kitchen/boy-found-murdered-peninsula-hotel-mother#ixzz0elj32ne9
smart blonde
02-06-2010, 10:13 AM
Hi mysticrose!
I believe there is already a thread on this case, started last night by Filly. Maybe these two threads should be merged.
This case is so sad...
mysticrose
02-06-2010, 10:14 AM
Son, 8, was in 'constant pain' Gigi Jordan writes in 2-page note before murder-suicide try
BY Rocco Parascandola and Larry Mcshane
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Saturday, February 6th 2010, 2:07 AM
Gigi Jordan just wanted the pain to end - for her, and for her beloved 8-year-old son.
In a bizarre message intended as a suicide note, the wealthy one-time pharmaceutical company executive detailed a life of sadness interrupted by a single ray of hope: her only child, Jude.
"I hope Jude is in a better place," the 49-year-old Belgian wrote in the strange two-page note left in her 16th-floor suite at the posh Peninsula hotel.
At one point, Jordan suggested her son was a rape victim and "in constant pain." She mentioned speaking with a Wyoming child porn investigator about the sexual abuse of kids.
Ex-FBI agent Flint Waters "told me many rich people are involved," Jordan wrote. "Many wealthy guys trade child porn like a hobby."
Waters did not return a call Friday night
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/02/06/2010-02-06_jude_was_only_joy_in_life_full_of_torment_lette r.html#ixzz0elkIshsR
mysticrose
02-06-2010, 10:15 AM
Do I need to ask a mod to merge them ? LOL I looked and did not see anything on this this morning thank you Smart blonde....
smart blonde
02-06-2010, 10:21 AM
Do I need to ask a mod to merge them ? LOL I looked and did not see anything on this this morning thank you Smart blonde....
Okay, I found the other thread. It is titled, "Socialite murders son in Manhattan hotel", and it was started by Missizzy.
Yes, I believe a mod can merge them. You have alot of good information on here that I don't think is on the other thread.
Adding your informaton to the other thread would be wonderful...
mysticrose
02-06-2010, 10:24 AM
I just asked Salem to merge the threads .. so maybe soon ...
Filly
02-07-2010, 02:57 PM
It seems this lady had been dillusional for some time now. She feared a custody battle from an upcoming divorce. She wasn't married. The farther of sweet Jude had not seen mother or child since 2007. The mob figured in as well as the previously mentioned sexual abuse.
When Jordan had called Flint Waters in Wyoming with her fears about the abuse on her son he told her to call her local authorities. Instead Jordan took her son to Wyoming. There it became apparent all was not right with Jordan and for her own safety and Jude's they detained her.
If only they had not let her go. She needed help.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/02/gigi_jordan_cha.php
Missizzy
02-07-2010, 08:50 PM
Thanks so much to the mods for merging these. I only started the thread as it was breaking news. At the time, there was very little info. This is terribly strange. I don't know what to believe. However, I am bothered by this comment of Mr. Tzekov's:
"Tantra believes in the inherent goodness of everything. Everything is holy, nothing is unholy and nothing is evil.For tantra there is no devil, only devine" (sp).
Mr. Tzekov, that's not exactly what I've learned about tantra. And I can most assuredly state that you are incorrect in that "nothing is evil". We can debate the presence of the devil until the cows come home, but there is certainly evil. Everyone of us here on WS, can take an oath testifying to that FACT.
I'm very hopeful that this woman's claims concerning child abuse and pornography will not be set aside if she is found to be delusional. She could be right about this which could have caused her to become mentally ill. I just want a full investigation.
And rest, little Jude.
Missizzy
02-07-2010, 09:08 PM
So, why is it that so many of Mr. Tzekov's "friends" on MS look like porn queens or strippers? I know several of our local Craigslist escort services offer Tantric services. Did this man simply "instruct" this mom in Santa Barbara (known as a wealthy playground and well stocked with Tantric providers) and somehow convince her to marry him. I would imagine she agreed to a settlement or a monthly "stipend" for Mr. Tzekov.
This sounds heartless as Mr. Tzekov just lost his son. I'm just not seeing a typical grieving father's response here. Am I off base?
Texas Mist
02-07-2010, 09:23 PM
It seems this lady had been dillusional for some time now. She feared a custody battle from an upcoming divorce. She wasn't married. The farther of sweet Jude had not seen mother or child since 2007. The mob figured in as well as the previously mentioned sexual abuse.
When Jordan had called Flint Waters in Wyoming with her fears about the abuse on her son he told her to call her local authorities. Instead Jordan took her son to Wyoming. There it became apparent all was not right with Jordan and for her own safety and Jude's they detained her.
If only they had not let her go. She needed help.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/02/gigi_jordan_cha.php
I wonder if sometimes people think "crazy lady" & dismiss it as that...not realizing the *real* danger to a child who's w/ a delusional mom....especially if she's never mentioned harming the child.
So sad for little Jude. :(
Filly
02-07-2010, 09:39 PM
So, why is it that so many of Mr. Tzekov's "friends" on MS look like porn queens or strippers? I know several of our local Craigslist escort services offer Tantric services. Did this man simply "instruct" this mom in Santa Barbara (known as a wealthy playground and well stocked with Tantric providers) and somehow convince her to marry him. I would imagine she agreed to a settlement or a monthly "stipend" for Mr. Tzekov.
This sounds heartless as Mr. Tzekov just lost his son. I'm just not seeing a typical grieving father's response here. Am I off base?
Iz, first he's quoted as not having seen his son or ex in a year and now it's since 2007.
Did you see where it said he tried to find him? Of course we don't know the guy, BUT how hard would it be to find this woman? She lived in New York City. Had he no contact with her relatives to find her?
As for the strippers I'm thinking pole dancing you need alot of balance. I'm being serious. Physical and mental. It's ne easy feat. Not that I've ever done it, but know a few girls that did. Friends of my friends daughter. Girls in their early 20's. They said it's tough.
Meanwhile this poor, beautiful child is dead. Beautiful, beautiful boy.
Filly
02-07-2010, 09:45 PM
I wonder if sometimes people think "crazy lady" & dismiss it as that...not realizing the *real* danger to a child who's w/ a delusional mom....especially if she's never mentioned harming the child.
So sad for little Jude. :(
Absolutely, TM. It looks like they did exactly that in Wyoming. I wonder if they could have 302'd her?
Heck, how many times do Doctor's, lawyers, police officers think "crazy lady" and just leave it at that? Is that not where the word hysterectomy is derived from? Hysteria? We're women. We're hysterical.
O.K. now I'm just being crazy. I know. Sorry for the spelling error in the last post. I didn't even know how to spell delusional. Still dont.:waitasec:
Missizzy
02-07-2010, 10:42 PM
Filly, ITA. I know Santa Barbara, though. My daughter lived there for four years. It's a gorgeous place (truly paradise on earth) but some (note, I said some) of the people can be highly self-absorbed and narcissistic.
I know we're stereo-typing, but for heaven's sake, the guy's MS page certainly is no shrine to his little guy. You are so right, how hard could this lady be to find? My guess is that all he'd need to do is look at the return address on the checks he gets from her.
Missizzy
02-07-2010, 10:56 PM
I knew I recognized that name...Flint Waters. He's the Operation Fairplay guy. He testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee on child porn.
http://judiciary.senate.gov/pdf/08-04-16WatersTestimony.pdf
He's also mentioned in the Wikipedia article on Child Pornography. I could see a wealthy mom seeking him out if she had suspicions. He's a leading expert.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography
Google his name and you'll find quite a bit of info on him.
Texas Mist
02-16-2010, 04:23 PM
Mom Eyes Psychiatric Defense in Son's Slaying in a New York Luxury Hotel
Posted: Tuesday, 16 February 2010 4:12PM
NEW YORK (AP) -- A woman accused of drugging her 8-year-old son to death in a botched murder-suicide attempt in a luxury hotel pleaded not guilty to a murder count Tuesday, and her lawyer said she plans to pursue a psychiatric defense.
Gigi Jordan showed no emotion as she entered the plea via video link from a hospital where she has been treated since her Feb. 5 arrest. She sat impassively, at times quietly working her thumbs over her hands.
more here
http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/6374024.php?contentType=4&contentId=5592767
I'm sorry, I just find it suspicious that this "mother" gave her 8-year old son probably more than enough pills to kill him and make him foam at the mouth (what a horrible, sad image) but failed to give herself enough to commit suicide. This seems to me to be the way it often works. And now she is using a psychiatric defense. Sound to me like she was quite experienced with pharmaceuticals, and knew how many to give her son to kill him, as well as how many to take herself to become 'incapacitated' in order to wage a psychiatric defense, yet not actually die. 'Mental illness' or not, I have no sympathy for this woman.
Trident
02-17-2010, 06:35 AM
I DO have sympathy for this woman. According to what we've read this child was her main focus for all his life. It's obvious to me something happened that made her feel he would be better off out of this life. I'm sorry she got to the point where she couldn't find a better way to deal with whatever problems existed, even if only in her own mind.
~greeneyedgirl~
02-17-2010, 09:42 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/02/12/2010-02-12_tragic_autistic_boys_mom_hires_gotti_atty.html
Here is a pic of them during happier times, the whole family, what a sweet baby.....you are safe now little one
I'm sorry, I just find it suspicious that this "mother" gave her 8-year old son probably more than enough pills to kill him and make him foam at the mouth (what a horrible, sad image) but failed to give herself enough to commit suicide. This seems to me to be the way it often works. And now she is using a psychiatric defense. Sound to me like she was quite experienced with pharmaceuticals, and knew how many to give her son to kill him, as well as how many to take herself to become 'incapacitated' in order to wage a psychiatric defense, yet not actually die. 'Mental illness' or not, I have no sympathy for this woman.
You're absolutely right, she was a pharmaceutical sales exec.
Missizzy
02-26-2010, 12:39 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100226/ap_on_re_us/us_manhattan_hotel_death;_ylt=Ah9qXjtxwKKmpUtA9cBH 8Lis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNuMWc3c2xwBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAw MjI2L3VzX21hbmhhdHRhbl9ob3RlbF9kZWF0aARjY29kZQNyYW 5kb20EY3BvcwM3BHBvcwM0BHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5f aGVhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDZnJpZW5kbnltb21o
Friend: NY mom had obsessed over dead son's autism
"Gigi Jordan quit a high-powered job as a pharmaceutical company executive and abandoned her social life to devote all her time to her severely autistic son.
For most of his tortured life, Jude Michael Mirra repeatedly banged his head on the floor, screaming and unable to speak, writhing in pain. His mother, trained as a nurse, went to exhaustive lengths to help the 8-year-old, desperate for a cure.
But nothing worked. Her only child is dead now — by her own hands, according to police.
After years of struggling — with his autism and her inability to help him — Gigi Jordan gave up. To those who knew her, she was a loving, overprotective single mother who snapped under incredible strain. To prosecutors, she was a killer...."
more at link
Salem
02-26-2010, 12:56 AM
Do autistic children really do this? Bang their heads and writher in pain for years? I know that they will bang their heads, but for years? And pain affects each of us, regardless, but is it realistic to believe this child was in pain for all of his 8 years? I have no experience with autism so I'm not sure what to believe here?
Salem
DairyGirl
02-26-2010, 01:01 AM
Do autistic children really do this? Bang their heads and writher in pain for years? I know that they will bang their heads, but for years? And pain affects each of us, regardless, but is it realistic to believe this child was in pain for all of his 8 years? I have no experience with autism so I'm not sure what to believe here?
Salem
I don't think all do. My nephew is severly autistic and while he does self harming things he doesn't seem to respond to pain. He is very dangerous to himself because he doesn't act like he feels anything.
Missizzy
02-26-2010, 01:19 AM
I would have to agree. I've worked with may kids with autism and have three adopted kids on the spectrum and a biological granddaughter with high functioning autism and bipolar (I'll guess we' have to see if that diagnosis stands) and I've never seen screaming in constant pain. I've seen perseveration, odd behaviors, self-stimulation and total lack of understanding of natural or logical consequences. I've also seen social training go far in helping children with ever moderate challenges.
I've certainly dealt with hours long rages but pain is typically expressed as a higher theshold than usual. In other words, the child will seemingly get comfort or stimulation from something that you and I would find painful.
I almost wonder if this child didn't suffer from some sort of pain receptor disorder (such as severe fibromyalgia) as well as autism. Being that heavy duty narcotics are not typically given to children, he might have been under-medicated and that could cause the brain to "read" constant pain.
Have there been other witness reports that this child screamed in retractable pain? A child suffering from a disorder this severe, would need to be hospitalized with round the clock care. This mother could have well afforded that. She could have maintained her role as the mother but left others to deal with the medical issues. That's the heartbreak.
Texas Mist
03-19-2010, 08:05 PM
Posted: Friday, 19 March 2010 7:03PM
New York City Prosecutor: Mom Accused of Murder Had Disorder
NEW YORK (AP) -- A prosecutor suggested Friday that a mother accused of killing her autistic 8-year-old son in an apparent murder-suicide attempt had a mental problem that spurs people to seek attention by inventing illnesses for their loved ones.
The mother, Gigi Jordan, told authorities that besides autism, which doctors said was severe, her son had been the victim of abuse. She repeated that claim, and suggested he had symptoms possibly linked to other medical conditions, in an apparent suicide note her lawyer made public last week.
Jordan's lawyer disputed the claim by the prosecutor, who said sealed psychiatric records on Jordan showed a diagnosis of Munchausen syndrome by proxy. Sufferers seek unneeded medical care for people in their care.
"I want to dispel the court of the notion that (Jordan's) entire life has been devoted to taking care of this child,'' Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Kerry O'Connell said as Jordan appeared before a judge in her murder case. "Professionals have diagnosed her with Munchausen syndrome by proxy.''
more here
http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/6616567.php?contentType=4&contentId=5780476
Anybody know what (if anything) s/b done by a healthcare professional to protect the children when doctors have diagnosed someone w/ MSBP ?
Filly
03-20-2010, 02:11 AM
Posted: Friday, 19 March 2010 7:03PM
New York City Prosecutor: Mom Accused of Murder Had Disorder
NEW YORK (AP) -- A prosecutor suggested Friday that a mother accused of killing her autistic 8-year-old son in an apparent murder-suicide attempt had a mental problem that spurs people to seek attention by inventing illnesses for their loved ones.
The mother, Gigi Jordan, told authorities that besides autism, which doctors said was severe, her son had been the victim of abuse. She repeated that claim, and suggested he had symptoms possibly linked to other medical conditions, in an apparent suicide note her lawyer made public last week.
Jordan's lawyer disputed the claim by the prosecutor, who said sealed psychiatric records on Jordan showed a diagnosis of Munchausen syndrome by proxy. Sufferers seek unneeded medical care for people in their care.
"I want to dispel the court of the notion that (Jordan's) entire life has been devoted to taking care of this child,'' Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Kerry O'Connell said as Jordan appeared before a judge in her murder case. "Professionals have diagnosed her with Munchausen syndrome by proxy.''
more here
http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/6616567.php?contentType=4&contentId=5780476
Anybody know what (if anything) s/b done by a healthcare professional to protect the children when doctors have diagnosed someone w/ MSBP ?
TM, I don't know what or if anything is done by any healthcare professional. However, that's supposedly why they studied Marie Noe the woman that murdered all her little ones.
It's worth looking into. Maybe Miss Izzy knows. I'm a little confused though. So, this young boy didn't actually have autism? Or he did and the mother made up even more conditions?
Either way the woman is not right in the head I don't think. Poor kid.
Lyn1001
03-22-2010, 12:20 PM
TM, I don't know what or if anything is done by any healthcare professional. However, that's supposedly why they studied Marie Noe the woman that murdered all her little ones.
It's worth looking into. Maybe Miss Izzy knows. I'm a little confused though. So, this young boy didn't actually have autism? Or he did and the mother made up even more conditions?
Either way the woman is not right in the head I don't think. Poor kid.
From what I'm gathering, he had Autism, but mom made up more stuff. Maybe she liked the attention she got from having an Autistic child, and made up more stuff from there. I don't know.
suzyq211
03-22-2010, 03:13 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/02/12/2010-02-12_tragic_autistic_boys_mom_hires_gotti_atty.html
Here is a pic of them during happier times, the whole family, what a sweet baby.....you are safe now little one
Thanks for that link...did you read those comments?? Whew!!!!
OMG Munchausen syndrome by Proxy...oh that poor baby never had a chance!!
Texas Mist
04-23-2010, 02:56 PM
No Bail for Mom Accused of Killing Autistic Son in New York City Hotel
Posted: Friday, 23 April 2010 2:17PM
NEW YORK (AP) -- A multimillionaire charged with killing her autistic son in a posh New York City hotel won't get to await her trial at her town house.
A Manhattan judge turned down Gigi Jordan's $5 million bail request Friday. The judge said her wealth and apparent psychological problems make her a flight risk. Jordan had offered to freeze her access to her $40 million fortune and hire security guards to watch her.
The decision means Jordan will remain in a hospital jail ward. She has pleaded not guilty to murder.
Jordan wrote a rambling letter indicating she planned to take her life and her son's before 8-year-old Jude Michael Mirra was found dead and she incoherent at the Peninsula Hotel Feb. 5.
Prosecutors now say she may have staged the suicide attempt.
http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/6878791.php?contentType=4&contentId=5979890
Belinda
04-23-2010, 05:25 PM
This just has not struck me as classic Munchausen. There is no evidence that she caused illness in the boy. What I see is she was plagued with severe paranoia which made her think something was wrong with the boy. Munchausen, to my knowledge, always entails the mother actually making the child sick. I just don't see that here. I see clear paranoia of being afraid that people were doing things to her son and she couldn't protect him.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/08/02/Blood-sample-in-homicide-case-missing/UPI-97861312305576/?spt=hs&or=tn
Blood sample in homicide case missing
Published: Aug. 2, 2011 at 1:19 PM
A blood sample from a New York woman who allegedly gave her son a fatal drug overdose is missing and charges against her should be dismissed, her lawyers say.
Bull stinky it should be dropped. JMHO
joe jones
08-02-2011, 05:50 PM
it is appalling that such a vital piece of evidence is lost, and I do think it will affect her defence, there is no way now of her proving what drugs if any she had taken,
she has a right to a fair trial as much as her child deserves justice, the incompetence is astounding,
Maybe a situation where- money talks - evidence walks JMO
Missizzy
08-03-2011, 04:38 AM
How did I miss this. MBP? Really? Most often a woman with MBP has severe self esteem issues and has often experienced abuse herself. They are often bright over-achievers. It kind of fits, now that I think about it. Almost always, the child does have some sort of disorder but the parent (almost always the mother) exaggerates it to the point where it is the focus of her life. Women with MBP are known to be doctor-shoppers and are frequently caught over or under-medicating their children to throw everything out of whack. I think the basic premise is to bring everyone into the vortex that is the mother's sick reality.
Such a sad, sad story.
Missizzy
08-03-2011, 04:46 AM
My favorite book on the subject is "Sickened" by Julie Gregory. Julie was the victim of a mother with MBP. An amazing book. Most libraries have it.
And some excellent resources here--a compendium of articles about MBP:
http://www.childwelfare.gov/can/perpetrators/perp_munchausen.cfm
Trident
08-03-2011, 07:38 AM
Maybe a situation where- money talks - evidence walks JMO
Or maybe the other way around?
Yes, she was WELL versed in pharmaceuticals and obviously very intelligent - her suicide attempt must have been staged to get some sympathy or lenience or...something.
Poor little guy. She's a multi-millionaire and couldn't hire someone to help with him so she wouldn't feel as overwhelmed?? That makes no sense.
Blondie in Spokane
08-19-2012, 05:05 PM
Gigi Jordan says she saved her autistic son from a life of sexual torture by his father....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2190630/I-saved-life-horror-Millionaire-mother-claims-killed-autistic-son-protect-sexual-abuse-hands-monstrous-father.html
Angels_Not_Forgotten
08-19-2012, 06:23 PM
Yikes. First of all, she DID kill her son. So she can say all she wants 'but I tried to kill myself', she still killed her son. This lady is either mentally ill and in some sort of paranoid delusion, or she's telling the truth. The article states she went to police. Did she ever take her son to be physically examined? Could there be a way to tell if his father were abusing him? So so so sad either way. :(
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bellyup
08-21-2012, 01:11 AM
Yikes. First of all, she DID kill her son. So she can say all she wants 'but I tried to kill myself', she still killed her son. This lady is either mentally ill and in some sort of paranoid delusion, or she's telling the truth. The article states she went to police. Did she ever take her son to be physically examined? Could there be a way to tell if his father were abusing him? So so so sad either way. :(
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Really bizarre. The fact that she was diagnosed with MBP makes me lean toward the paranoid delusion theory but at the same time ... something is making me wonder if she couldn't be, at least partially, telling the truth.
jjenny
08-21-2012, 01:24 AM
Killing a child to save him from abuse? I don't believe that one for a second.
BritsKate
08-21-2012, 04:35 AM
I don't know enough about this case to offer much of an opinion but from what I know of maternal filicide:
The most common motive for maternal filicide is altruism under Resnick's spectrum. Though the link between suicide and filicide is high a 'let down' period occurring in both altruistic and acutely psychotic filicides sometimes prevents the parent from completing the suicide. In an acutely psychotic filicide we often see a confession almost immediately and a very high history of past psychiatric hospitalization. (Think Schlosser and Yates.) In non-psychotic filicides, according to one study, approximately half of the murderers are afflicted with a personality disorder.
Resnick defines five types of filicide. In “altruistic” filicide a parent—almost always a mother in this category—kills her child or children as an extension of a suicide attempt. “These mothers see their children as an extension of themselves,” he said. “They do not want to leave a child motherless in a ‘cruel’ world as seen through their depressed eyes.”
In a second type of altruistic filicide a child is killed to end his or her real or imagined suffering. “These mothers may project their own unacceptable symptoms onto the child,” he said.
http://pnhw.psychiatryonline.org/content/37/24/14.3.full
Peazzzer
08-23-2012, 05:03 PM
How awful!!!! Lock her up and throw that key away!!! This case has taken some weird turns, for sure.
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