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Sable
02-09-2010, 02:30 PM
I found an interesting cold case online while browsing through old newspapers. On May 15th, 1930 Mary Agnes Moroney was kidnapped by a woman named Julia Otis who claimed to be a social worker. In 1952 an article was published claiming Mary Agnes Moroney had been found alive in California going by the name Mary McClelland. Mrs. Moroney had doubts as to weather the woman really was Mary Agnes though. Well I did a little more research and found that DNA tests were done and it was proven that Mary McClelland and Mary Agnes Moroney are not the same woman.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=b7scAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TWQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4302,4064976&dq=mary-agnes-moroney&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=qdA_AAAAIBAJ&sjid=-w0EAAAAIBAJ&pg=5837,4806835&dq=julia-otis&hl=en

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,816978,00.html

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1787&dat=19520905&id=keMcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=vmQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5737,429646

http://boards.ancestry.ca/surnames.moroney/2.1.2.1/mb.ashx

iconoclast
02-09-2010, 03:40 PM
A quick check of the Social Security Death Index turns up a Mary A. Otis, born 1928, who received her Social Security card in Ohio (not too far from IL), and died in the Phoenix area in 2001. When Mary was taken, it is certain her name was changed. These kinds of name changes often preserve something of the person's original name. Assuming the kidnapper's last name was really Otis, if she kept Mary it would be reasonable to assume that she would have let the child keep first and middle names with which she was familiar.

Due to a legal matter, I recently had to prove my ancestry. I can tell you, it was very easy to change an identity in the 30s. Since adults were applying for Social Security cards and documentation was often scarce, one could adopt a new name through SSI. My father did it...he only changed his middle name, but still, that would not be so easy today.

Shamrock5374
06-07-2010, 04:19 PM
My husband is Mary Agnes Moroney's nephew. I was suprised to see anyone outside of our family has heard about this case. I have been helping my husband do reasearch on Mary's kidnapping and have found some crazy things. On the SSI Death Index I found a woman named Julia Otis who died in California in 1999. This same woman owned property in both Chicago and California and has since the 1930's when Mary was taken. The kidnapper said in the note she was taking Mary to California. Sable you are correct when you say that DNA has proven that Mary McClelland is not Mary Agnes. My husband's Uncles took the test using DNA from Mary McClelland's children and a granddaughter. There was no match. This is one of the oldest unsolved kidnapping's that the FBI ever investigated. They got involved the day after Mary was taken when they got the note from the kidnapper saying she was taking her to California. Only 3 of Mary's 7 siblings are still alive my husband and I trying to find out what happened to Mary for them. The FBI and the cold case detectives in Chicago have both been very helpful giving all they have left on the case but lots of stuff is missing. The note from the kidnapper and another one they got a few weeks later from the kidnapper's cousin are both gone. Does anyone know how I got about finding the relatives of the woman who died in California whose name was Julia Otis ( she was the right age for the kidnapper)? I would appreciate any help or advice anyone can give us! Thanks

Laurie Moroney

LotsaLatte
06-09-2010, 12:45 AM
Hi Shamrock, welcome to WS! Thank you for posting here!
I have a question:
How sure is your family that the lady's name was Julia Otis? I'm just thinking she wasn't using her real name maybe?
And in case it she was actually somewhat honest and that was her name - you can start looking at sites like the one at the link below and kind of glean information on possible family members:

http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?utm_source=wp&utm_campaign=multiple&utm_content=seeall&vw=people&Search=People&Input=name&fn=Julia&ln=Otis&state=CA&

I hope this helps you in some way!

Shamrock5374
02-07-2011, 01:59 AM
I have listed Mary Agnes Moroney on the Doenetwork...I am waiting on other famly members to give me the pictures of Mary Agnes(there are only 2) so I can list her on other websites. We still crave any infornation anyone has about the disappearance of Mary Agnes Moroney she disappeared on May 15, 1930. Please E-mail me at kissmeimirish5374@yahoo.om or contact Detective McCarthy at the Cold Case Files of the Chicago Police Department at 1-312-746-9690. If Detective McCarthy is not available please talk to any other detective available..Thank You

The Moroney Family

mom-a-licious
05-05-2011, 04:14 AM
Does anyone know how I got about finding the relatives of the woman who died in California whose name was Julia Otis ( she was the right age for the kidnapper)? I would appreciate any help or advice anyone can give us! Thanks

Laurie Moroney

Hi Shamrock/Laurie;

Have you tried Ancestry.com? There is an amazing amount of info on the site. You have to join to effectively access the info, but I was able to for 3 months at what in my opinion was a very reasonable price for unlimited access to all US records. (it was just a little over 50$). I found out an incredible amount about my family & My husband's, with very little starting info to go on.

It does look like the Julia M Otis (1906-1999) you are referring to on the Social Security Death Index, is on the ancestry site. Because my membership has expired, I would have to join again to get into the records, but it looks as though she may be there, born in 1906, (one record says "about 1907" for her birth year, but this is not unusual for some of the old records they have on the site).

She was living in Cook County Illinois at the time of the 1910, 1920, and 1930 censuses. If you join you can look at clear photocopies of all the records on the site. You will see names of parents and siblings, sometimes other family members, and neighbors at the time of each census.

The site also has other records such as birth, marriage, obits, etc. sometimes even photos and family trees if other members have posted them. Depending on the individual, sometimes there is more info on some folks than on others, but often there is at least something worthwhile to find.

The searches you do on the site can be modified and refined to include or leave out some of the info so the search isn't too narrow and results don't get "shut out". For example, leaving out the middle initial or exact birth date might be best at first because all the old records might not include that info. (I had to find this out through trial and error when I first used the site.)

Hope this helps a bit in your search. I hope you're able to find out more about Mary Agnes.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
05-28-2011, 01:15 AM
Mary is now on Doe Network (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3031dfil.html) and Charley Project (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/moroney_mary.html).

Shamrock5374
09-09-2011, 02:46 PM
It is with great sadness that I inform you all that yesterday Mary Agnes Moroney's youngest brother was killed on his motorcycle when a van pulled out in front of him. This wonderful and brave husband, father of 6 and grandfather of 12 will be truly missed by all of us who were lucky enough to be able to call him family and friend. At least he now knows what happened to his sister...

Robin Hood
09-11-2011, 02:11 AM
Shamrock, If I were you I would obtain a copy of Julia Otis's death cert from 1999 (I found it listed on LDS) and see who appears on there. It might show a relative or retirement home where somebody might remember her visitors.
I also think that a Will might also show heirs.

Sorry to hear of the motorcyle accident.

Shamrock5374
09-23-2011, 12:51 AM
Thank you for the condolences....I was wondering if anyone could give me info on how to find out some info on the woman who killed Mary's brother...we have learned that the woman who killed him didn't have a drivers license, insurance and had an extensive criminal record...I know it's kinda off subject but I'm trying to help his wife and kids...this has left them all totally devastated...there are now only 2 siblings left and neither is in good health...if anyone knows or can find out anything on the kidnapping of Mary Agnes Moroney it would be greatly appreciated!!!

FindingJoanieHall
07-14-2012, 01:25 PM
I found this on Julia Otis in Illinois. Perhaps the name "Melchers" might hold a clue? http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=76147395

WholeLottaRosie
03-28-2013, 02:00 AM
bumping for Mary Agnes

Joyce Josette
10-01-2013, 01:10 PM
Poor little Mary Agnes. I hope that "Julia Otis" was well enough to take care of a child, and that Mary Agnes grew up healthy and happy and completely unaware of her true origins.