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Salem
02-15-2010, 08:31 PM
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Salem

Salem
02-15-2010, 08:33 PM
Bringing MsIzzy's post over:

I think this guy is choosing towns that have a similar "feel". I lived for a long time in Central Texas and each of these towns are similar in many ways. One of the unique factors, to my mind, is that most, if not all, of the towns he's chosen, have a strong German heritage.

Central Texas is a unique place. There are towns that have a strong Latino population, towns that have a black heritage, and towns with German heritage. There's towns which are kind of a melting pot. Yoakum and Luling certainly have a lot of German sir names. This is very stereo-typical so please forgive me if this offends, but that denotes certain things in Texas. The German towns are ultra "clean and tidy" with houses kept up nicely. There's a lot of order and "the way things are done". I found each town to have a real personality.

I don't know if this young man grew up in a town "like" this or actually there. If what has been posted about Organized Rapists proves true, we know that he most probably started out where he feels most comfortable. I'd have to look back but there's a statistic which says that rapists typically strike very close to home first. LE knows this and is probably giving a very close look at every single young man of color in the Yoakum area. There can't be a single thing we've thought of that they haven't. I just wish they'd give out a little more information so the public would feel safer.

It's almost comical as I'd be up in arms if I lived in Texas right now as I'm sure my sons would be rousted. I have five sons who are black and who are all in their twenties. I have one who is in college and slender and 5'7" and grew up with a white Momma. He's also very light-skinned and speaks with no "street talk" (or I'd whack him upside the back of his head--just kidding, he likes it when I say that as I've never whacked anybody). He'd have heart failure, though, if he saw a deer head as he was raised a vegetarian and thus thinks that deer keep their heads.

So, if I took my sweet boy to Central Texas to visit my Mom, I wouldn't be too happy that LE were "profiling" him but that's what's called for right now. I hope the parents, coaches and teachers of these small towns are educating their young men to keep their cool and let LE do their job. I'm actually quite surprised that no one innocent has been shot yet...at least that we know of.


Salem

Missizzy
02-15-2010, 08:49 PM
NJ--I linked to the Ranch several pages back and I've perused it with a fine tooth comb. I just checked it again after you brought up the photos. I actually feel like they've done a very good job of picturing their kids. There's no shame in being in foster care or in growing up at a youth ranch. All they need is permission from the children's parents or guardians to use a photo.

If you'll check again, you'll see that the home page uses clip art/stock photos and the gallery uses actual photos of children looking away from the camera. This is quite typical of children's programs. I've worked in the field of adoption and foster care for decades and I'm impressed with the Youth Ranch. They actually have a very good reputation for success and for integrating the children into the community. Their program is a model for many others. I've done some private checking with advocates in Texas and the Ranch passes muster for me. JMO

A_News_Junkie
02-15-2010, 09:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post
Would his DNA be on file if he has been incarcerated?
I said:
I think so (not 100% positive) but........... sometimes it takes years for a dna profile for a rape to be matched up. Older article, but you get the idea.....http://www.rainn.org/public-policy/l...lence-with-DNA
I think some progress has been made on this, but it is still backlogged if the news story I heard a few weeks ago was up to date. :-((

Now I am adding this: It appears it depends on your crime???? Why not just do it for everyone convicted???? Geezzzzzzzzz, government always has to complicate it with rules, etc. You lose your friggin' rights when you violate the rules of society - end of story, IMHO.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/criminal_law_enforcement/crime_laboratory/codisstatewide/dnasample.htm

waltzingmatilda
02-15-2010, 09:51 PM
Salem, Thank you for the new thread! wm

txsvicki
02-15-2010, 11:10 PM
The rapist may have been laying low or spooked those months he was not attacking. The man who was cleared of the serial rapes was in jail for over two months and let out in May. He may have just quit for awhile or cased out the future victims' locations.

A_News_Junkie
02-15-2010, 11:51 PM
Okay, another thing my friend and I have been playing with is the idea the perp might be a pilot. Just looking around to see what was near by - like Huntsville Prison and he sure seems to stay away from that area by coincidence or design.........so, looking at google maps seems that perp might be dropping in - literally.......
So, while I was shoveling snow, my friend made this map I want to share with you all to see what you think. This is just looking at the Northern group of attacks, including the break in in August where perp came back for second time and raped the lady.

All of these northern attacks are along back-road routes between small rural airports. Dates: August burglary, July 20, Aug 13, several in first two weeks of Sept, Oct 9/10[?], Oct 23 (Sure wish the media was more accurate and we had more detailed addresses, etc)

P.S. As for the attacks farther south (Jan 21, Feb 27, Nov 9, Nov 24) They occurred in Yoakum and Luling, little towns that each have their own airports as well. (Not on map)

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/Possiblyapilot.jpg

Missizzy
02-16-2010, 03:39 AM
The airport idea is a good one but I think you could do that with convenience stores and their delivery trucks as well. In Central Texas, the airstrips are quite small. I would imagine that any managers or hangar workers would remember a man fitting this description. Maybe not. It is intriguing.

And remember, he'd have to back his SUV or pick-up (which he'd have to rent?) up to the plane to load his trophies inside.

DeepThinker
02-16-2010, 01:34 PM
I wonder if the months he was not "active" were after the one where the woman had the gun. Perhaps she actually injured him and he was recovering, or she scared him and he had to work up his nerve again. This theory only works in this particular scenario, however. JMO

A_News_Junkie
02-16-2010, 07:37 PM
The airport idea is a good one but I think you could do that with convenience stores and their delivery trucks as well. In Central Texas, the airstrips are quite small. I would imagine that any managers or hangar workers would remember a man fitting this description. Maybe not. It is intriguing.

And remember, he'd have to back his SUV or pick-up (which he'd have to rent?) up to the plane to load his trophies inside.

I have not seen any description of a pick-up or SUV?????????? But, if one is a pilot of private planes like this - he would have money, so he might have a car at the airports he frequents or maybe a motorcycle with sissy bar or luggage rack that he can bungee cord a deer head or clock to. I don't know, but one thing I know is it seems this is one case where thinking outside the box might seem crazy, but it might be exactly what is needed. So I will speculate and toss out some seemingly crazy ideas to some, but in the hope it spawns an idea as I am sure the Rangers and all the LE on this case have exhausted the more typical MO's.

Missizzy
02-16-2010, 08:04 PM
ITA, we WSers are "outta the box thinkers"!! Nothing is too crazy to throw on the table. For heaven's sake, the guy is stealing deer heads and pendulum clocks. All reason went out the window.

I want to be clear that I've seen NO mention of a vehicle. I only brought that up as I know he'd need to get from the airport to a house, somehow. People don't walk in small Central Texas towns if they can drive FWIW. That's something to keep in mind for any sort of examination of his MO. I don't know if I buy the idea that this guy is well off enough to own a plane at this age and a vehicle to have parked at the airport. It's a stretch but worth thinking about.

I also think that the lags in reported rapes are either connected to a change in schedule, an illness, or possibly the failure of some women to report. I still worry that some unattended deaths of elder women could be connected to this man. That really worries me. He caused one lady to have a stroke. It's certainly not hard to imagine someone having an heart attack in a situation like this.

For posters in Texas, how active is your AARP? I've wondered why they're not speaking up? As much as I want this creep caught, I also can't wait to compare notes and see what he's all about. I really want to know this guy's story.

DeepThinker
02-16-2010, 08:19 PM
I don't know if I buy the idea that this guy is well off enough to own a plane at this age and a vehicle to have parked at the airport. It's a stretch but worth thinking about.

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What if he's from a wealthy family? Then, he could have various vehicles/planes/buses etc. at his disposal. Just a thought.

Texas Mist
02-16-2010, 09:19 PM
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What if he's from a wealthy family? Then, he could have various vehicles/planes/buses etc. at his disposal. Just a thought.

I've thought about that, too....maybe even a "trust fund baby"....the ones I know are loners & not very happy in general.

Missizzy
02-16-2010, 11:54 PM
Elders are stereotypically known to have poor memories. Obviously this is not true of everyone. However, have we considered the phone line cutting a month prior to the rape as a way that someone was close to the home and then was forgotten?

I still can't figure out if these women just let the phone line sit disconnected (highly unlikely IMO) or if it was cut and then repaired. Possibly, that's when the man had access to the home and premises and learned if the woman would fit his profile. Possibly, he picked a likely candidate and then did further investigation up close.

A phone repairman might spend a couple of hours at a house and maybe speak for a moment to the resident but mostly go about his work. I doubt that most women would follow him around or even speak at length to him after they'd determined he was who he said he was. They'd most likely go about their day, doing chores, etc. That would give him plenty of time to get the lay of the land. He could have even changed his appearance to some degree--wore dreads or a cap low over his face. I don't think I'd be able to give a good description of a service person who'd been to my house a full month ago unless there was something really unique about him--and I'm in my 50's and quite observant.

There's definitely some holes in this theory--why the distance between victims? How could he finagle being the service person in each town? A woman most likely would call her local phone company when she noticed the service being off. Would she just accept a man coming to her door asking if she'd lost service?

And what about the possibility that the woman did possibly remember something about him? After all, we think that these were older white women who are describing a young man of color. I wouldn't be surprised if LE asked specifically about phone servicemen that she'd remember some little detail. If LE knows that the phone lines were cut a month prior, they've obviously been checking this angle out 'til the cows come home.

Just more conjecture, more straw-grasping. I want this guy caught and locked up.

jjenny
02-16-2010, 11:58 PM
I think if it were a phone repair service person, it would be pretty obvious and police should have figured it out already. The police could contact the phone company, see if the same person was sent to repair phone to several victims, etc.
So, I don't think it's a phone repairman, unless police really doesn't know how to do their job.

jjenny
02-16-2010, 11:59 PM
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What if he's from a wealthy family? Then, he could have various vehicles/planes/buses etc. at his disposal. Just a thought.

Why is he taking money from the woman in exchange for not raping her if he is rich? It doesn't fit.

DeepThinker
02-17-2010, 12:13 AM
Why is he taking money from the woman in exchange for not raping her if he is rich? It doesn't fit.

I didn't think it really fit either, but I was just tossing it out there. :)

Missizzy
02-17-2010, 02:44 AM
Why did Winona shoplift clothing when she certainly could afford it? Crime rarely makes sense to those who are logical thinkers.

We have to think illogically, like the rapist. One thing I think we're forgetting is how bold he is. I don't think he's slinking and lurking. I think he's marching right up to doors.

jjenny
02-17-2010, 02:53 AM
Why did Winona shoplift clothing when she certainly could afford it? Crime rarely makes sense to those who are logical thinkers.

We have to think illogically, like the rapist. One thing I think we're forgetting is how bold he is. I don't think he's slinking and lurking. I think he's marching right up to doors.
I don't know why Winona was doing the thing she was doing, but I would bet that if they find this guy, he is not a rich pilot with his own plane.

waltzingmatilda
02-17-2010, 08:02 AM
Why did Winona shoplift clothing when she certainly could afford it? Crime rarely makes sense to those who are logical thinkers.

We have to think illogically, like the rapist. One thing I think we're forgetting is how bold he is. I don't think he's slinking and lurking. I think he's marching right up to doors.

Your post got me thinking izzy. I had a friend in HS who was from a wealthy family, was Homecoming queen, and wore beautiful clothes mostly designed and sewn by her talented seamstress mother. A local dept store chose 1 girl from each local HS to represent on a 'teen board' as ambassadors for the store and this girl was chosen. They traveled around the area putting on fashion shows, etc. This girl, who was the envy of many, began to steal clothes from the store and was finally caught and arrested. Of course her wealthy family was devasted because she wanted for nothing.

We never really knew if she did it because of a sense of entitlement or if she was angry and lashing out at her mom for sewing most of her clothes.

wonder what anger/resentment this perp thrives on?

eachandevery
02-17-2010, 10:25 AM
I'm not sure if this article has been posted; it's basically a brief rehashing of information we know, already, but I did like the question at the end because it's something I - and likely many other people - have always been wondering about.

"Now, agencies all over the state are wondering how the man knew the victim without a connection to Yoakum, and are hoping the town where it all started could hold the key to stopping the Twilight Rapist."

http://www.kbtx.com/local/headlines/83779102.html

I tend to think that this guy has some "inside information" (no reason other than the victims are elderly and live alone, plus he went after the same woman twice) on the women he attacks, but if that's the case, why is he waiting for weeks/a month before he strikes? I could see waiting one week, maybe two, but a whole month? Does he have more than one woman in mind, at the time, and something makes him settle on a specific victim?

The airport idea is a good one, IMO, but it seems like a huge amount of work on the perp's part.

WholeLottaRosie
02-17-2010, 03:08 PM
What I don't get is if the phone lines are cut a month before the rape, why isn't the victim of the line cutting under police protection? Or family protection? Are there other people having phone lines cut and reporting it that aren't then rape victims? I am thinking as I type and I apologize if this doesn't make sense. It makes sense to me, LOL!

Surely the phone company would have a record of who did the repairs, and, it would seem to be simple to see if a) one person did them all and the if so b) haul that person in. Something is odd (to me) about this aspect.

IWannaKnow
02-17-2010, 03:46 PM
You guys are the sharpest tacks in the box, if I do say so myself. And reading your posts makes me wonder if he is somehow picking his victim, cutting the phone lines and then doing his surveillance just to see who shows up and how coordinated the efforts are to determine what happened? In other words, he would get alot of information about how supported this woman is by the response to an upsetting and confusing event, i.e. - cutting the phone lines.... If the only person who shows up is the phone company, the perp would certainly know that this lady is truly on her own. Also, if it takes a while for her to determine the line was cut, that would also tell him this lady might not be on top of her game and an easier target. Just my jumbled thoughts for the day.

A_News_Junkie
02-17-2010, 05:52 PM
Stay with me here for a second --- I am going outta the box again!

Reading on: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/01/22/texas-serial-rapist-targets-elderly-women/comment-page-2/?action=late-new comments section again....... " I pray that this man is caught and faces extreme consequences. I live in Mississippi and for 2 yrs we faced a ver, very similar rapist. We do have a sketch of him and DNA, but he is still on the loose."
So............. I went looking to see if I could sleuth out info on these cases....
found a blog with sketches and I think the case this poster was referring to.
http://rapetracker.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_archive.html (there is a sketch that could fit our perp) Also, from that page:
"WDAM Hattiesburg, MS

Jones County authorities may have a serial rapist on their hands.
An 81-year-old woman was attacked Thursday night around 11 o'clock at her home inside the Sandersville city limits. The woman is at South Central Regional Medical Center but her condition is unknown at this time.
Sheriff Larry Dykes says the attack is similar to two others this summer. An elderly woman on Highway 184 was attacked by a suspect who broke into her home in late May. And two weeks later an elderly woman on Sharon Road was attacked in her home.
Dykes says in all three instances, the women lived alone and their homes were somewhat secluded.
Authorities believe the attacker is a Hispanic male, approximately 5'6 to 5'9, with a stocky build." <------------- About the only thing that doesn't fit is the stocky build, but could certainly have changed.

Anyone want to jump in and see what else we can find that might match up??? So my limb is.......maybe he is on the move and has relocated to Texas???????
:truce: be nice, it is just an idea!!!

A_News_Junkie
02-17-2010, 06:03 PM
I would love to know if they have compared the DNA samples!
http://meridianstar.com/local/x681156425/Hunt-for-serial-rapist-continues

http://www.wtok.com/home/headlines/9699997.html?storySection=story

The sketch doesn't look like a "stocky build" person to me.

Missizzy
02-17-2010, 06:49 PM
NJ--That's a great find. Very similar MO. I wonder if anyone can find out if the women were raped on mainly weekdays when they were getting ready to go to an early church service. One would think that states would talk to one another. After all, the US Marshalls and the FBI are on this case. ITA on the sketch of the man not looking "stocky".

We can't forget how similar the Lubbock rape was, though. That threw everyone off for days. The bottom line is that the Lubbock guy DID also rape an elder woman and steal her purse. I think these crimes are instructive and cautionary as we forget about the dangers that elders face. Rape is about terror and power and not about lithe young things in mini-skirts. Everyone is at risk.

Let's keep an eye on this. I'd wonder, once again, if the rapist might not have had some connection to the Youth Ranch and feels comfortable in both locales. I'll check that out.

Missizzy
02-17-2010, 07:11 PM
http://meridianstar.com/local/x681156425/Hunt-for-serial-rapist-continues

"We have a case from August 2005 in which a 73-year old woman was raped in northeast Meridian by a man said to fit the description of the suspect."

"Jones County Sheriff Alex Hodge said Tuesday afternoon there were two rapes in 2005, which includes the MPD case, two in 2007 and two more this year. Recent DNA analysis results confirmed these attacks were committed by the same person. The most recent rape occurred less than two weeks ago in Ovett, in extreme southern Jones County."

and

"The majority of victims have been elderly women."


Let's look at at-risk youth ranches in the area.

http://www.sunbeltranch.org/about/history.htm

"Cookson Hills Youth Ranch established a children's home near Lake, Mississippi in 1972 on property that would eventually become Sunbelt Christian Youth Ranch. The Regis Family, who lived nearby were instrumental in helping Cookson establish the ranch.

Theron and Linda Harris became house parents under the direction of Cookson Hills and continued in that role until 1989 when Cookson decided to close the facility. With support from several congregations, Theron and Linda Harris founded Sunbelt Christian Youth Ranch at that time as a non-profit organization and acquired the property, continuing the service that had been established.

George and Grace Decker, known as Grandpa and Grandma during their time on the ranch, came to Sunbelt in 1993 as a retired couple who wanted to continue in their service. They served until August 2008."




FWIW, Lake, MS (where the Sunbelt Youth Ranch is) is about 38 miles west of Meridian, where one rape occurred. The Youth Ranch is about 45 miles due north of Jones County, where at least six rapes occurred.

waltzingmatilda
02-17-2010, 07:34 PM
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Hodge said the suspect could have changed his appearance since the sketch was made. He urged residents to be vigilant in paying attention to their surroundings and those of their neighbors.

http://meridianstar.com/local/x681156425/Hunt-for-serial-rapist-continues

Sounds like LE thinks he changed his appearance. Cross dressing? Did he lose weight?
Also it is ironic that the ad on the page of the news story is for St Patrick Catholic School considering we've discussed Catholic churches and the Blue Bonnet Ranch.

OT I feel I've fallen behind in my sleuthing as I've been ill the last few days but you guys are doing great work.

I am glad to see you here IWannaKnow and hope you stick with us!
I see you down there Missizzy! I'll pm you tomorrow when I'm feeling better dahlin'!

wm

txsvicki
02-17-2010, 08:00 PM
The victim who is said to have given $10,000 for the attacker to not rape her just keeps bothering me. It seems almost like a home invasion more than a deranged solitary rapist. Then there's a rape in my town similar enough for announcements that it might be the guy and the reports of other elderly rapes in Miss. I am wondering if this rapist is in a gang where they might share criminal plots and pass it around to others. Those who go to jail for something more minor might even pass home invasion and robbery plots around there. Then there's the lady I know here who had a guy coming around asking for work or money and he ended up in her home demanding hundreds of dollars, while at the same time and very day of I had guys coming by my house asking for money and giving a sob story. Hopefully I'm making sense with my wording, but I am wondering if the rapist could be a part of some group of others who share plots except that he is also perverted and actually raped and keeps it up.

Missizzy
02-17-2010, 11:28 PM
txsvicki--I don't think so. This guy works alone. That's my gut feeling. I think almost all Organized Rapists do. If this were a gang, they'd want money, jewelry, and electronics. They'd be in an out and violent and sloppy. They wouldn't take clocks and deer heads. They wouldn't spend their time sitting watch or frightening the victims. We can sure keep it on the table but I'm thinking a lone wolf. JMO

Hope you feel better WM!! You know I noticed the ad for that school too. WSers think alike. I think it's just a coincidence but still took me aback.

txsvicki
02-17-2010, 11:41 PM
txsvicki--I don't think so. This guy works alone. That's my gut feeling. I think almost all Organized Rapists do. If this were a gang, they'd want money, jewelry, and electronics. They'd be in an out and violent and sloppy. They wouldn't take clocks and deer heads. They wouldn't spend their time sitting watch or frightening the victims. We can sure keep it on the table but I'm thinking a lone wolf. JMO

Hope you feel better WM!! You know I noticed the ad for that school too. WSers think alike. I think it's just a coincidence but still took me aback.

Yes, that's true. He may also have had a gun with him or demanded any pain or nerve medications that elderly women might take if he were a gang member type. I've probably read and heard about so many slightly different crimes and just mistakenly trying to link it all together. We had a home invasion here the other day and one of the things they took from the young man was a puppy.

Missizzy
02-17-2010, 11:48 PM
That's throwing down the gauntlet for me. You don't steal somebody's puppy. That's low!!

A_News_Junkie
02-18-2010, 12:07 AM
Stay with me here for a second --- I am going outta the box again!

Reading on: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/01/22/texas-serial-rapist-targets-elderly-women/comment-page-2/?action=late-new comments section again....... " I pray that this man is caught and faces extreme consequences. I live in Mississippi and for 2 yrs we faced a ver, very similar rapist. We do have a sketch of him and DNA, but he is still on the loose."
So............. I went looking to see if I could sleuth out info on these cases....
found a blog with sketches and I think the case this poster was referring to.
http://rapetracker.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_archive.html (there is a sketch that could fit our perp) Also, from that page:
"WDAM Hattiesburg, MS

Jones County authorities may have a serial rapist on their hands.
An 81-year-old woman was attacked Thursday night around 11 o'clock at her home inside the Sandersville city limits. The woman is at South Central Regional Medical Center but her condition is unknown at this time.
Sheriff Larry Dykes says the attack is similar to two others this summer. An elderly woman on Highway 184 was attacked by a suspect who broke into her home in late May. And two weeks later an elderly woman on Sharon Road was attacked in her home.
Dykes says in all three instances, the women lived alone and their homes were somewhat secluded.
Authorities believe the attacker is a Hispanic male, approximately 5'6 to 5'9, with a stocky build." <------------- About the only thing that doesn't fit is the stocky build, but could certainly have changed.

Anyone want to jump in and see what else we can find that might match up??? So my limb is.......maybe he is on the move and has relocated to Texas???????
:truce: be nice, it is just an idea!!!

"Stocky" may have been a mistake. Other articles say "slender" -- and he does look slender in the sketch.

They are looking for a slender, middle-age Hispanic male about 5-feet 8-inches tall. Attacks late at night,entered through a window ... other attacks were late April and early May, the same year (2007).
Small towns, rural highways, elderly widows, secluded homes......... humm

http://www.leadercall.com/local/local_story_253112638.html

After the second rape in May, law enforcement brought in a sketch artist from the Biloxi Police Department. They are looking for a slender, middle-age Hispanic male about 5-feet 8-inches tall.


“Why the assailant went to these particular houses is what we’re trying to find out,” Dykes said. “We want to know why he goes where he does and why were these women his victims.”

Texas Mist
02-19-2010, 09:11 PM
Is there some new 'philia' or fetish I don't know about?? What's up w/ dudes wanting clocks?

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Man-stabbed-then-arrested-after-argument-over/LOcHfLJ61k6atGuy66FglQ.cspx

A_News_Junkie
02-19-2010, 09:21 PM
There sure seem to be several of the serial rapists of the elderly. This guy sounds like our guy, except they say medium build and he didn't take anything. http://www.ktvu.com/news/22540303/detail.html
FWIW -- probably nothing, but lets all watch our seniors - we too are knocking on that door - some of us knocking louder than others.

A_News_Junkie
02-19-2010, 09:27 PM
Is there some new 'philia' or fetish I don't know about?? What's up w/ dudes wanting clocks?

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Man-stabbed-then-arrested-after-argument-over/LOcHfLJ61k6atGuy66FglQ.cspx

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700010591/Man-stabbed-in-alleged-robbery.html

42 years old - but if anyone finds a pic or his booking photo - link it - some people never age and the name doesn't fit what *I* would expect it to be given our description, but that too could be me *expecting* a Latino name.

Texas Mist
02-19-2010, 10:08 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700010591/Man-stabbed-in-alleged-robbery.html

42 years old - but if anyone finds a pic or his booking photo - link it - some people never age and the name doesn't fit what *I* would expect it to be given our description, but that too could be me *expecting* a Latino name.

If you go here http://iml.slsheriff.org/IML
and put in Harold's name, there's a mugshot.

Shows him to be 5'10" & 180lbs & he's fond of aliases.

He was charged w/ robbery & possession of drug paraphernalia.

A_News_Junkie
02-19-2010, 10:38 PM
If you go here http://iml.slsheriff.org/IML
and put in Harold's name, there's a mugshot.

Shows him to be 5'10" & 180lbs & he's fond of aliases.

He was charged w/ robbery & possession of drug paraphernalia.

Thanks - he does look kinda younger than 42 to me. More like 35ish. And look at all those names.

WholeLottaRosie
02-20-2010, 01:19 AM
You guys are the sharpest tacks in the box, if I do say so myself. And reading your posts makes me wonder if he is somehow picking his victim, cutting the phone lines and then doing his surveillance just to see who shows up and how coordinated the efforts are to determine what happened? In other words, he would get alot of information about how supported this woman is by the response to an upsetting and confusing event, i.e. - cutting the phone lines.... If the only person who shows up is the phone company, the perp would certainly know that this lady is truly on her own. Also, if it takes a while for her to determine the line was cut, that would also tell him this lady might not be on top of her game and an easier target. Just my jumbled thoughts for the day.

Actually, you seem pretty sharp too! I like your theory. It makes a lot of sense!

Missizzy
02-20-2010, 01:53 AM
This is interesting. I was researching TM's question about a "thing for clocks. I came up with this:

Chronophilia- Abnormal affection towards time.
Chronomentrophilia- Abnormal affection towards clocks.


and then with a little more checking, I found this:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronophilia

"Chronophilia is a neologism intended to refer to a group of patterns of erotic reactions or sexual arousal associated with the age of preferred subjects or age discrepancy between the sexual partners. The term was coined by John Money (1986), from the Greek roots Χρόνος (Chronos), "time" and φιλία (-philia), "love". The term has not been widely adopted by sexologists, who instead use terms that that refer to the specific age range in question."


If this guy's this deep, we've got real problems, folks.

Texas Mist
02-20-2010, 02:42 AM
This is interesting. I was researching TM's question about a "thing for clocks. I came up with this:

Chronophilia- Abnormal affection towards time.
Chronomentrophilia- Abnormal affection towards clocks.


and then with a little more checking, I found this:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronophilia

"Chronophilia is a neologism intended to refer to a group of patterns of erotic reactions or sexual arousal associated with the age of preferred subjects or age discrepancy between the sexual partners. The term was coined by John Money (1986), from the Greek roots Χρόνος (Chronos), "time" and φιλία (-philia), "love". The term has not been widely adopted by sexologists, who instead use terms that that refer to the specific age range in question."


If this guy's this deep, we've got real problems, folks.

that is really freaky if he's conscious of the 'chrono'-philias, MissIzzy :eek:

I have been trying to find any discussions by people who are drawn to clocks for erotic reasons...So far have only found people who are obsessed w/ all things clock-related & have big collections....but not found those who are admitting to getting all ummmm - warm & fuzzy over them.

I'm gonna keep looking tho....I really want to understand this clock thing.

justthinkin
02-20-2010, 04:45 AM
Deer heads, clocks....maybe the guy's decorating his apartment? :waitasec:

This whole clock thing is just baffling. While googling, tick tock, yes, that's right, tick tock, I found some lyrics of songs with tick tock either as the title or in the body of the song. Most were innocent enough, but then I stumbled across this:

1 2. You hear the clock ticking?
Tick-tock, You about to stop living.
Tick-tock, I want you to remember me.
Tick-tock, but the day don't have no memory.

I'm coming!
Nobody could stop me, nobody could hold me, ain't nobody control me.
I'm coming!
---
These are a few of the lyrics to a song titled, "I"m Coming." They were recorded by someone who goes by the name of Sikk the Shocker, and also happen to be the theme song of a wrestler who goes by M. P. V., his initials. I had to wonder if the rapist might play this song to get up his nerve just before he attempts a rape. Could he possibly be a fan of either the wrestler, M. P. V. or Sikk? the Shocker, a rapper?

Maybe it's just too off the wall, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. I can just picture some little weasel revving himself up by listening to this song. I can also see him stealing deer heads, then claiming to anyone who will listen that he shot them. Stolen to boost his wimpy ego.

I like something WaltzingMatilda mentioned about cross dressing. The Mississippi suspect's sketch sure looks like he could pass for a female. Wonder if that's how he's spying on the women, passing himself off as a female? No one would ever connect the two seemingly different people if that were the case.

Missizzy
02-20-2010, 12:12 PM
I could be all wet here but somehow, I don't see this guy as a "little weasel". I have this huge concern that when they arrest him, and I believe they will, we're all gonna say, "Really?"

I've mentioned before that I have this litmus test I do on perps' mugshots. I make myself study the photo and then consider how I would react if this person turned around to look at me while I stood in line at the grocery store. Obviously some photos are going to make a person levitate or make your skin crawl. Some make you want to take a cold cleansing shower. Some, though, look remarkably normal and decent. It's only when we are looking at the photo knowing that the guy just dismembered their grandma that we say we get creeped out by the photo. Think about it next time you look at a mug shot and see if it helps. The frightening ones are the decent looking guys and gals. They are the ones we would stop to help or go to the door to talk to...or allow in to fix the phone line.

I think this rapist is one of those guys. I think his decent looks, good hygiene, and calm demeanor doesn't immediately terrify these women. It's what he does after he's in their home that is horrific. Just think, as we debate him, he's standing in line at the grocery store, with people totally unaware. But he's watching some elder lady as she buys her laundry soap.

TGIRecovered
02-20-2010, 12:27 PM
This is interesting. I was researching TM's question about a "thing for clocks. I came up with this:

Chronophilia- Abnormal affection towards time.
Chronomentrophilia- Abnormal affection towards clocks.


and then with a little more checking, I found this:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronophilia

"Chronophilia is a neologism intended to refer to a group of patterns of erotic reactions or sexual arousal associated with the age of preferred subjects or age discrepancy between the sexual partners. The term was coined by John Money (1986), from the Greek roots Χρόνος (Chronos), "time" and φιλία (-philia), "love". The term has not been widely adopted by sexologists, who instead use terms that that refer to the specific age range in question."


If this guy's this deep, we've got real problems, folks.

Miss Izzy, this is a very interesting find. I wonder if LE is digging this deep into possible motivations for these crimes? I'm thinking they may not be; maybe this is one tidbit that is worth sharing with them.

We have a resident in our city who's home is on a well-traveled, but nice street, who has a sign in his yard advertising his clock-repair skills. It's been there for years. I wonder if our perp could be a clock repair or taxidermy hobbist? Maybe the kind of guy one might see at flea markets or antique sales in small towns?

waltzingmatilda
02-20-2010, 01:02 PM
I'm back and feeling much better. (Thanks Izzy)

I love sleuthing with everyone on this thread because there is so much brainstorming going on. So bear with me while I think and type out my idea.

What if this guy was raised by foster parents or children's home/ranch and his 'mother figure' treated him severely and put him in time out? While sitting in time out, he watched a clock in the room, counting down the minutes, perhaps hours, til his punishment was finished. Also in the room and in the youngsters point of vision is a deer head that he sat focused on while the time passed. He may now radiate a persona of 'the good son'.

Are the thefts of the clocks and deer heads some sort of symbolism? IMO, yes but we just haven't figured out what it is yet.

There is another story on this forum about a shoe theif who had been stealing shoes, men's photos and other items for 20 years. He was finally caught and we learned he was a professional ice skater! Kind of makes sense if you think like a perp who is perhaps 'haunted' by something traumatic that happened in their lives. (No reason has been given for his actions as yet)

One thing we know for sure. This rapist is acting out by exerting power and anger towards elderly women for some reason.

I hope this doesn't sound too weird. Just trying to get into what makes this guy tick.

wm

Missizzy
02-20-2010, 02:01 PM
WM--I've been promoting the foster child/adopted child scenario from early on. I just think it's a huge coincidence that several rapes have been reported in Yoakum, where the Bluebonnet Youth Ranch is located. The BYR certainly has children all all races who are raised by primarily white house parents in a cottage milieu. The house parents have relief parents who come in once a month for respite.

I've also looked carefully at the photos I can find of the high school kids in Yoakum. It's a primarly white school with a small number of students of color and a few internationally adopted kids. I've wondered about the students of color. Are they with their families of origin or are they residents at the BYR?

I've wondered if the rapist might have aged out at the Ranch in the last 5-8 years. Obviously, many of these children have serious issues. It's a rare occurrence for an extremely healthy child to be placed at a youth ranch. The legend of the child who was orphaned because his loving parents were both killed in a car crash is just that...a legend. No, these kids struggle with prenatal exposure to substances, learning differences, disabilities, emotional disturbance, etc. By very merit of being placed at the ranch, a child must require a highly restrictive environment to qualify for the state funds.

The photos, of course, show sweet-faced, happy children. We want that, of course. But trust me when I say that most are deeply troubled and lots of energy goes into helping them heal and find their place in society. I was intrigued to read that the BYR assists kids with college. So this means that a young man could get tuition assistance or a scholarship if he were bright enough to go to college. Could one of these young men have lingering issues with a former house parent or even with abandonment issues from his family of origin?

It is not rare at all for children who have been placed in one or more permanent adoption placements to disrupt and need a stay at a youth ranch or children's home. Sometimes they go back home and sometimes they don't. This young man could have been horribly mistreated in his family of origin, his adoptive or foster placements or at the Ranch. There's a lot of possible scenarios. Let me do some checking today on an address I found. I'll check back.

Missizzy
02-20-2010, 03:34 PM
For whatever reason, I'm hitting dead ends and need some help. In the very first article we linked to at the beginning of this thread, there is a comment by a neighbor of one of the rape vicitms. He is named in the article. I'll link to the article but not name him here as he is not "involved". I'm trying to find out what street this is in reference to. I am in no way trying to locate the victim. I'm merely trying to get a sense of where this street is in comparison with where the Bluebonnet Youth Ranch is.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583256,00.html

"Nobody opens the door for nobody anymore," said AG, 57, who lives across the street from one of the Yoakum victims. "After midnight, people have no rights to be walking the streets anymore."

Can anyone find out what street this is?

I think I've posted before that I also see some people listed at this address as being members of St. Joseph's Catholic Church in Yoakum.

I've also found an obituary somewhat linked to the family of the neighbor for a man who passed on January 1, 2010. The man's last name is the same as the neighbor and his initials are RG. He was 53 at his death and lived in Stafford but was formerly of Yoakum. Several people in the list of survivors also show up as connected with the home address of the "neighbor" in Yoakum. It is listed here:

http://txobits.blogspot.com/2010/01/texas-obituaries-01042010.html

In reading this man's obit, I wondered about the sentence, "He was a carrier and a Catholic." What does the word carrier mean in this context? Is it in reference to his employment, a medical condition, or his religion?

Missizzy
02-20-2010, 03:39 PM
Truck driver? That's one definition of carrier. But why no name of a company?

DeepThinker
02-20-2010, 04:02 PM
For whatever reason, I'm hitting dead ends and need some help. In the very first article we linked to at the beginning of this thread, there is a comment by a neighbor of one of the rape vicitms. He is named in the article. I'll link to the article but not name him here as he is not "involved". I'm trying to find out what street this is in reference to. I am in no way trying to locate the victim. I'm merely trying to get a sense of where this street is in comparison with where the Bluebonnet Youth Ranch is.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583256,00.html

"Nobody opens the door for nobody anymore," said AG, 57, who lives across the street from one of the Yoakum victims. "After midnight, people have no rights to be walking the streets anymore."

Can anyone find out what street this is?

I think I've posted before that I also see some people listed at this address as being members of St. Joseph's Catholic Church in Yoakum.

I've also found an obituary somewhat linked to the family of the neighbor for a man who passed on January 1, 2010. The man's last name is the same as the neighbor and his initials are RG. He was 53 at his death and lived in Stafford but was formerly of Yoakum. Several people in the list of survivors also show up as connected with the home address of the "neighbor" in Yoakum. It is listed here:

http://txobits.blogspot.com/2010/01/texas-obituaries-01042010.html

In reading this man's obit, I wondered about the sentence, "He was a carrier and a Catholic." What does the word carrier mean in this context? Is it in reference to his employment, a medical condition, or his religion?

Okay, reading this post...especially the part about the obituary...services at the church...elderly ladies would be in attendance....what if our guy was a delivery guy for a floral shop? Or my other thought was what if he worked in some capacity for a funeral home?

OH - I think carrier might mean "postal carrier"...jmo

DeepThinker
02-20-2010, 04:05 PM
I wonder if these ladies served together on any church committees? I was raised Methodist, and our church always had a committee of grandmotherly types who cooked lunches and such for after the funeral...I didn't know if the Catholics do the same...I would imagine they do. jmo

Missizzy
02-20-2010, 04:18 PM
DeepThinker--Just to be clear, the man who passed lived in Stafford, TX but was formerly of Yoakum. The funeral home which handled the service, though, is in Yoakum. I've checked kids and grandchildren on FB and MS and not seen much of interest. No memorial pages, no comments about "uncle or daddy passing" or even a RIP. But surely, a man of 53 would have some younger family members with some sort of web presence. One would think.

Stafford is a suburb on Houston, about 100 miles from Yoakum--and away from where the cluster of attacks occurred. My first thought was a mail carrier but I'm wondering about a truck driver. The man might have been ill for awhile and not affiliated with a company or could have been unemployed. If he was a mail carrier, I would think that that info would be listed as well as the town he worked in. Mail carriers often are well known in their communities--especially small towns.

Anybody having luck finding out what street AG lives on? That will give us a location for one attack. If the info proves correct for the MO of most rapists, we can look at that first attack (at least the first which was reported, remember) and make the assumption that the rapist lived within blocks of the address.

Remember the comment about the Organized Rapist? It was that the OR often seeks out the victim again or attempts to show concern for the victim through LE or the media. That's why I've been so interested in learning more about this neighbor and this street.

WholeLottaRosie
02-21-2010, 05:54 PM
Bumping for the older ladies of Texas. I know nothing, just hate to see this slip off main page, and, am hoping someone might take a look at this and join the discussion!!!

I was wondering about being a taxidermist myself, TGIRecovered. And the similarities to the ones in LA really do need further checking.

And, Missizzy, I agree, I want to know some more about the neighbor as well. I can't find the street, but, I bet someone will.

Missizzy
02-21-2010, 05:57 PM
Just a wild thought but we need to look at the arsonists caught in Texas. They were operating in the same area--at least when they hit around Temple. Are there ever correlations or connections between the two crimes?

ITA, this needs to be kept front and center. I was so upset to hear that there had been similar rapes in Mississippi but they'd gotten under our radar.

Texas Mist
02-21-2010, 09:33 PM
Just a wild thought but we need to look at the arsonists caught in Texas. They were operating in the same area--at least when they hit around Temple. Are there ever correlations or connections between the two crimes?

ITA, this needs to be kept front and center. I was so upset to hear that there had been similar rapes in Mississippi but they'd gotten under our radar.

MissIzzy, I don't think the church fires are related -- except that TX has/had a lotta whackos on the loose.

Here's a link w/ a map of the church fires...they're mostly in NE TX (Tyler area)

http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11976780

justthinkin
02-22-2010, 12:59 AM
I believe I've found the street AG lives on. It's 1114 West Grand. The phone's not listed in his name, probably his wife's name. I checked the listings on whitepages.com because you can sometimes get the ages of the people behind the phone numbers. Anyhoo, there was no age given in this instance. The first 2 letters of his first name are reversed, but I still think it's probably him. There's no one else listed or associated with a listing who bears a name that's even close to his first name besides the one listing I found. It's on page 4, and the listing is for a VG. AG or RG is listed as part of the household.

justthinkin
02-22-2010, 01:06 AM
Just a wild thought but we need to look at the arsonists caught in Texas. They were operating in the same area--at least when they hit around Temple. Are there ever correlations or connections between the two crimes?

ITA, this needs to be kept front and center. I was so upset to hear that there had been similar rapes in Mississippi but they'd gotten under our radar.


I read a book about different types of rapists years ago, but darn if memory serves me well on the various types today. I don't really think rapists are usually associated with arson because for an arsonist, he is sexually excited by the sight of the fire itself. That's his turn on.

justthinkin
02-22-2010, 01:38 AM
Bumping for the older ladies of Texas. I know nothing, just hate to see this slip off main page, and, am hoping someone might take a look at this and join the discussion!!!

I was wondering about being a taxidermist myself, TGIRecovered. And the similarities to the ones in LA really do need further checking.

And, Missizzy, I agree, I want to know some more about the neighbor as well. I can't find the street, but, I bet someone will.

I know the rapist took deer heads from one of the women's houses in Leon County. I can't imagine a taxidermist would do something like that. In the past, Leon County bucks were not noted for their wonderful racks/antlers. Most likely the deer heads he took were nothing to get excited about.

Could it be this rapist was originally an inner city boy in Houston perhaps, and he was in some kind of awe of the deer heads because he hadn't had much if any exposure to wildlife? I'm thinking that's a distinct possibility.

Missizzy
02-22-2010, 12:34 PM
So glad you found the address, justthinkin. I also saw the reversed letters and wondered about that. I think you are correct though, in doing some cross-checking. The Bluebonnet Youth Ranch is located .31 miles from that address--less than one minute of travel time. Now, I'm not sure if this is the office for the BYR or the actual ranch.

I did a check and learned that Yoakum High School is in the same area--only .36 miles from the youth ranch. So these three locations are all just a few blocks from one another. I wonder if the rapist lived at the BYR, went to Yoakum High and walked this area for several years? I wonder if an elder teacher either entranced him or repulsed him? Hmmmmmm

Missizzy
02-22-2010, 12:52 PM
Just a thought. St. Joseph's Catholic Church is also within a few blocks of all these addresses. I've linked the neighbor's family to that church. Remember, this is a very small town and things are close together. I had not noticed that the church also runs an elementary school (only a block away). I doubt that the Bluebonnet Youth Ranch kids would go there as the youth ranch isn't a parochial children's home.

However, could a young man have grown up in Yoakum, attended St. Joseph's elementary school and possibly attended the church? He would know that area very well. There's been so much mention of these ladies getting up extremely early for 6:30 am Mass. I wonder if there's a correlation with that fact and the possibility that they might have been retired teachers at the school, and thus very dedicated to their church? I've thought of nuns but they typically live communally when they retire and one victim mentioned a son. I don't believe, though, that all teachers at Catholic schools are nuns, are they? If you do the math, this man would have gone to elementary school in the 90's.

I'm really starting to think that it's quite probable that the rapist grew up in this neighborhood and has probably struck there more than even the 2-3 times we know of.

Missizzy
02-22-2010, 01:37 PM
OK, I'm gonna go way out on a limb here. Go to MS and go to advanced search. Choose a black male between ages 20-25 within 5 miles of the Yoakum, TX zip code of 77995. You'll get only a handful of hits. Check them all out and see what you think. I've had my eye on a particular person for over a month now. This will sound oovy groovy but I made a tiny typo when entering his name today and with one letter added...hmmm.....spelled out something very interesting. I am not pointing the finger at anyone and I'll just let you guys see what you think. Maybe, I'm nuts.

In a similar vein, I checked out this page for the Bluebonnet Youth Ranch:

http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_jwnfrc

Scroll down to the bottom and check out some "related companies". Notice that one is the Housing Authority and another pkgs. software. Remember that name when you are on MS. You'll note that literally everything in Yoakum--elementary schools, middle school, high school, churches, the businesses listed above--all are within blocks of the rape victim's street.

Let me know what you think.

Missizzy
02-22-2010, 01:47 PM
Remember how we've all wondered how the rapist found the one Yoakum woman even after she'd been moved? Well, think about that. The news reports state that she was moved by LE. But who do we know would help a nice church lady in distress with an emergency move? Her church, of course.

Possibly, the rapist attends this church and is well aware of where this woman moved as he either helped her move or heard of the move from family and friends.

Have we ever considered the fact that besides being vision impaired without glasses at 4 am (who isn't?), that these women might be blind? The purpose of removing the lightbulb might not be to keep the women from seeing him but for the purpose of preventing neighbors from seeing him. I do know that one woman drove so she doesn't fit that profile but what about the Yoakum woman? And I know that some women have given a vague description but it's only been extremely vague. I'm really wondering about serious vision impairment for a few. Even the loud ticking sound could certainly have been reported by someone with blindness or near blindness as their other senses become hyper-sensitive. She said it sounded like a time bomb. Clocks, to most our ears, aren't that loud.

I've just been really pondering this case as I'm afraid this guy is going to try this again soon. We've got to stop him.

justthinkin
02-22-2010, 11:45 PM
OK, I'm gonna go way out on a limb here. Go to MS and go to advanced search. Choose a black male between ages 20-25 within 5 miles of the Yoakum, TX zip code of 77995. You'll get only a handful of hits. Check them all out and see what you think. I've had my eye on a particular person for over a month now. This will sound oovy groovy but I made a tiny typo when entering his name today and with one letter added...hmmm.....spelled out something very interesting. I am not pointing the finger at anyone and I'll just let you guys see what you think. Maybe, I'm nuts.

In a similar vein, I checked out this page for the Bluebonnet Youth Ranch:

http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_jwnfrc

Scroll down to the bottom and check out some "related companies". Notice that one is the Housing Authority and another pkgs. software. Remember that name when you are on MS. You'll note that literally everything in Yoakum--elementary schools, middle school, high school, churches, the businesses listed above--all are within blocks of the rape victim's street.

Let me know what you think.

What is MS?

Texas Mist
02-24-2010, 12:04 AM
MS = MySpace, justthinkin...HTH

Has anybody else been following the news on the Kansas City MO "Waldo Rapist"?....he's a lot like the TX rapist in that he seems to be surveilling his 'prey' before he attacks, the women live fairly close to each other, and live alone.....I recall that 2 of the 5 women are 50 & 53 yo but I wanna say at least 1 is in her 20's (apologies, but I haven't been committing all ages to memory).....he likes to enter thru windows, too....they have a sketch released of him - and add'l info such as how he smells & his bad breath. yuck.

NEhoo - thought I'd post the 'psyche' info on him -- interesting that they think he may have a job which gives him access to data on the women....So see - we're not doing so bad w/ our sleuthing after all. ;)




Dr. Tahir Rahman, a Kansas City forensic psychiatrist, said there is little doubt the rapist was watching media coverage as police tore apart a sidewalk and sewer line looking for evidence on Monday. It is also possible the suspect was feeling guilty about the crime, a possible explanation for the gap in time between some of the assaults.

“There is a period of satiation and then the drive comes back until they perform the heinous act again,” said Rahman, who evaluates sexual predators before they stand trial to gage their mental competency and understanding of the crimes.

According to a study by the FBI’s Behavioral Science Unit in Quantico, there are three different approaches by serial rapists.

In the “con” approach, a predator pretends to be a police officer or other authority figure to trick his victims. In the “blitz” approach, rapists subdue their victims by striking them in the head or using chemicals to knock them out.

The third method is the “surprise,” which Rahman said fits the Waldo rapist’s profile.

“This would be a person who breaks into a home and surprises his victim and attacks them with one of these awful, heinous rapes stories that we’re hearing,” said Rahman.

According to the forensic psychiatrist, the rapist likely fantasizes about the sense of power and control more than the sexual attack. The willingness to follow those impulses is what makes the suspect so dangerous.

“It’s very common for people to have these sexual fantasies, but to act on them and brutalize people in these heinous acts is a very different thing,” Rahman said.

Residents in the neighborhoods have wondered how the rapist has been able to study his victims without being noticed, especially considering the vigilance and awareness.

Rahman said it is possible the suspect is gathering information about his victims in other ways. For instance, he could have a job where he has access to data. He could also be combing through social-networking sites to find single women.



http://www.nbcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Forensic-Psychiatrist-Gives-Insight-on-Serial/UKJk-ZYPYUaytkhL7EN6aw.cspx

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"All victims are single women who live alone," said Capt. Rich Lockhart of the KCPD. "What that tells us is the guy is spending some time in neighborhoods casing area, because he's able to five times in a row pick out a victim."

Lockhart says that's typical for serial rapists, who will typically look for a woman who fits their profile. But Lockhart warns that shouldn't put women who don't live alone at ease just because the suspect has attacked five single women.

"The guy could make a mistake and show up at your house," said Lockhart.

Another clue to the suspect is the close proximity of the attacks to each other.

"It's probably an area he lives in or lived there, and he's familiar with it and that provides level of comfort when committing these crimes," said Lockhart.

The "why" for the crimes is a tougher question for police, but they say that so far his actions are shedding some light.

"It does tell us he's very bold that he's not afraid of getting caught," said Lockhart. "When he will go out there knowing we have a sketch of him out there, knowing everyone in neighborhoods looking for him, knowing police are looking for him and commit another one of these rapes like he did recently."


http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-story-waldo-rapist-suspect-clues-9p-022310,0,3259708.story

If you wanna get caught up on the Waldo rapist, here's a good link.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/waldorapes/

I think of the terrified women in KS City anytime the CenTex rapist crosses my mind (which is a *lot*)....I don't think the MO & TX rapists are one in the same, just interesting how similar the crimes seem to be -- at least w/ the info that's been released to date.

DeepThinker
02-24-2010, 01:37 AM
What is MS?

I believe it's My Space

Missizzy
02-24-2010, 01:51 AM
Yes, I'd seen the story on the stinky rapist. I don't think that's our guy, do you? I still really wonder about the rapist who hit several times in Houston. He's a bit taller and heavier but dark skinned and hit a variety of ages. He's the one who was wearing scrubs. He's hit several times in a nice apt. complex where med students live.

You know what's really awful? That there's so many. That's sickening.

Texas Mist
03-01-2010, 02:08 PM
Elderly Woman Attacked In Moody
Posted: Mar 01, 2010 11:20 AM CST

An elderly woman from Moody was attacked early Monday morning in her home.

It happened near the intersection of Meador Drive and Avenue D. McLennan County Sheriff's Deputies and Texas Rangers are on the scene. Federal agents are also on the scene.

There's no word yet if the case is connected to the "Twilight Rapist," a man responsible for the rapes and robberies of multiple elderly women across the state of Texas.

http://kcen.images.worldnow.com/images/12062987_BG1.jpg

http://www.centraltexasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12062987


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Local Incident May Be Linked To Texas Serial Rape Case

MOODY (March 1, 2010)—Investigators say an incident in the McLennan County town of Moody may be linked to a series of rapes, attempted rapes and burglaries targeting elderly women in Central and South Texas dating back to January 2009.

Authorities say they’re investigating a burglary and an attack that sent an 80-year-old woman to the hospital.

Information about her injuries and condition wasn’t immediately available Monday afternoon.

Moody police, McLennan County sheriff’s deputies and Texas Rangers were at a house Monday in the 1700 block of Avenue D in Moody, along with a team from the Department of Public Safety’s crime lab.

Authorities said that the incident may be linked to the serial rapes.

If that’s the case, then it would mark the first time the rapist has struck in McLennan County.

more here

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/85826312.html

Moody is part of the Waco metro area...another small town...looks like another 'nice brick house' if the pic above is the survivor's house.

At least this attack was reported quickly -- as opposed to days later.

Prayers for the latest little lady attacked by the monster.

Missizzy
03-01-2010, 05:06 PM
I just heard and I'm sick. Please post everything you can. Prayers for this woman and her family.

Missizzy
03-01-2010, 05:10 PM
I know we'll be all over this address but I just want to say that if this were my Momma, I wouldn't want her house shown on the news. Isn't that an invasion of privacy? That sure isn't typical IME. How do you guys feel about this?

Missizzy
03-01-2010, 05:30 PM
So, all we know so far is that the woman is 80 and was released from the hospital. She's with her caretaker, which tells me that she has some health care needs and was most likely quite vulnerable.

St. Eugene's Catholic Church is 10 miles north of Moody, in the town of McGregor, but has no Mass on Monday. There's a 8 am Spanish Mass on Sunday and an 11:30 English Mass on Sunday.

Are they announcing exactly when she was raped?

Missizzy
03-01-2010, 05:40 PM
St. Mary's in Temple is 18 miles south and has a 7:30 am Mass on Sunday morning and a 7:00 am Mass on Monday morning. If this woman has a caretaker, it's likely that someone drives her to church.

There's also a St. Luke's in Temple which has Mass at 8:15 or 8:30 am Sunday and Monday.

Many of the towns the rapist has hit has a Catholic Church on this list, the Austin Diocese. Yoakum is not included, though. It is part of the Victoria Diocese. I did notice that Moody is listed but I find no church there.

http://www.austindiocese.org/mass_times.php


Still no further description of the guy??????

Texas Mist
03-01-2010, 05:51 PM
So, all we know so far is that the woman is 80 and was released from the hospital. She's with her caretaker, which tells me that she has some health care needs and was most likely quite vulnerable.

St. Eugene's Catholic Church is 10 miles north of Moody, in the town of McGregor, but has no Mass on Monday. There's a 8 am Spanish Mass on Sunday and an 11:30 English Mass on Sunday.

Are they announcing exactly when she was raped?

One of the links only says "early Monday morning" (today)....that makes it a little more than 90 days since the previous attack. :(

This creep isn't waiting 6mos or a year to attack again.

And yeah - the house w/ the address is a little unsettling....Like you, if this were my mom, I don't think I'd want a pic of her house & address announced.

However, if I lived in the vicinity, I would probably wanna know at least which neighborhood.

Kinda like naming the retirement community where one of the attacks occurred....people who have loved ones living there probably would like to know what's going on.

FWIW, if you look at the 1700 block of Ave. D. in Moody, it's not too far from Hwy 7, which intersects a few miles out from Hwy 77......this were the 2 hwys previously mentioned by LE that concern them.

Rightfully so it appears. :(

I hope this time there's some clues that help LE get this scumbag.

Missizzy
03-01-2010, 06:55 PM
Is the front window of the house--all the way to the right--open? Hasn't it been awfully cold?

I agree about the home being shown. I'd want to know too. I mean, we know where our rapist here in Ashland has struck (but it's a public space). By showing this woman's house her name will be known to everyone, though. I guess in a small town that's inevitable anyway.

I almost wonder if this lady was quite incapacitated and therefore the privacy issue wouldn't be a concern. Or maybe she was anxious for everyone to know. I wonder about the caretaker issue. One would think if she needed caretaking, rather than drop in home health care, there would be someone there at night.

I'm so hoping they get some good evidence. Have we brought up the issue of the Call Alert necklaces? I was wondering if this guy might have access to some records that way ie disabilities, address, name, age, marital status, living arrangements, etc.

The Texas ladies must be having heart failure about now.

Missizzy
03-01-2010, 07:03 PM
There's a guy on MS I've been watching. He's from Yoakum but goes to Texas State/San Marcos. Moody is a straight shot up I-35 from San Marcos, 111 miles. I just found this in San Marcos. Just sayin'.

http://www.city-data.com/businesses/841443674-clocks-das-tick-tock-haus-san-marcos-tx.html

Wonder if they fix church bells?

Texas Mist
03-01-2010, 07:19 PM
Is the front window of the house--all the way to the right--open? Hasn't it been awfully cold?

I agree about the home being shown. I'd want to know too. I mean, we know where our rapist here in Ashland has struck (but it's a public space). By showing this woman's house her name will be known to everyone, though. I guess in a small town that's inevitable anyway.

I almost wonder if this lady was quite incapacitated and therefore the privacy issue wouldn't be a concern. Or maybe she was anxious for everyone to know. I wonder about the caretaker issue. One would think if she needed caretaking, rather than drop in home health care, there would be someone there at night.

I'm so hoping they get some good evidence. Have we brought up the issue of the Call Alert necklaces? I was wondering if this guy might have access to some records that way ie disabilities, address, name, age, marital status, living arrangements, etc.

The Texas ladies must be having heart failure about now.

It has been cold....I wonder if the SR got in thru that window....even the days with the high temps in low 70's had low temps in the 40's....it's been pretty windy here too.

I haven't seen any more info on suspect description...and so far, I can't find where *any* of the Austin news stations are talking about this latest rape...just the Waco/Temple/Bryan media.

I'm very disappointed in the Austin media....just because the creep isn't attacking in Austin, doesn't mean that folks in the Austin metro area aren't concerned for friends & family just up the road. :banghead:

Missizzy
03-01-2010, 07:47 PM
ITA, Texas Mist. I'm disappointed in the Austin media also. Don't they realize that the world usually looks to them for news on Texas? And so many Austin people have relatives scattered across the state. What happened to the Governor's Task Force? Shouldn't they be giving updates? I wonder what would happen if this guy started crawling in windows and raping 6 year olds? Would we go weeks between news stories?

I'm almost afraid to say this but is the media guilty of marginalizing these women and minimizing these crimes due ageism--just as they can do with race or socio-economic level? Who cares about a drug using hooker? Who cares about an illegal worker? Who cares about an elderly church lady?

We, and a lot of others do!!!!

A_News_Junkie
03-01-2010, 10:42 PM
I don't think this article has been posted yet:
http://www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=12065663

Texas Mist
03-01-2010, 11:00 PM
I don't think this article has been posted yet:
http://www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=12065663


The article you linked to says the lady lived alone....I watched the video & it said there'd been a break-in & something stolen a couple weeks ago - and an outside light knocked out...reporter also said no electricity or phone lines cut in this incident...the vid also showed several LEOs standing looking the window that looked like it was open (the one MissIzzy & I were looking at earlier).

I was a little freaked out there was a lady in the video, whose mother is a neighbor of the lady attacked this morning -- that said she was afraid for her mother because she's elderly & lives alone! gah! I hope the freak doesn't come back for the neighbor lady!

ETA:

I watched the video "Investigators In Moody To Determine If Twilight Rapist Struck Again" at this link http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/85826312.html and the caretaker says the vic in today's attack is 'fragile' and "don't even weigh 100 lbs probably".....reporter says that the caretaker said that the vic told her a couple weeks ago some things had been moved around inside her house & 3-4 days ago outside light broken...also mentioned a security stick on back door had been broken.

Also says LE won't confirm if the vic had been raped.

Missizzy
03-02-2010, 12:25 AM
And he is known to come back. I'm just not sure how I feel about the identification of the crime scene. It feels "off" somehow. It's what we would see if the woman were murdered (thank you, God). One of the first things I noticed is that this woman also has a son who checks on her. That's the second time we've heard that. Could that be anything? No word about the caretaker and how often she's checked on. I wonder if the woman called 911 on her own or was found. Notice that her caretaker says she doesn't go out much. That makes me think that church was not a factor in this case. I think TM is right in that the house if highly visible from the highway.

How could it NOT be our guy unless it's a copy cat? Something stolen (let me guess, a deerhead, a clock?), a broken light? This guy is totally freaking me out!! How could you not crawl out of your skin if you are over 60 in Central Texas and have had a recent theft or break in or find a broken light? I would think that the DPS would have their hands full with women who are just a bit "up in arms".

TM, tell Governor Perry to cut short the dinner party and call an emergency meeting of the Task Force!!

Texas Mist
03-02-2010, 12:40 AM
And he is known to come back. I'm just not sure how I feel about the identification of the crime scene. It feels "off" somehow. It's what we would see if the woman were murdered (thank you, God). One of the first things I noticed is that this woman also has a son who checks on her. That's the second time we've heard that. Could that be anything? No word about the caretaker and how often she's checked on. I wonder if the woman called 911 on her own or was found. Notice that her caretaker says she doesn't go out much. That makes me think that church was not a factor in this case. I think TM is right in that the house if highly visible from the highway.

How could it NOT be our guy unless it's a copy cat? Something stolen (let me guess, a deerhead, a clock?), a broken light? This guy is totally freaking me out!! How could you not crawl out of your skin if you are over 60 in Central Texas and have had a recent theft or break in or find a broken light? I would think that the DPS would have their hands full with women who are just a bit "up in arms".

TM, tell Governor Perry to cut short the dinner party and call an emergency meeting of the Task Force!!

Did you watch the vid in my previous post - #77?

They don't show the house but you can see that it's right on a highway....reporter said hwy 107.

Maybe this attack isn't the SR but there's too many similarities -- tiny, fragile elderly lady living alone, in a nice brick house in a small community w/ small police force (one of the comments I read in my link in #77 said LE force had been reduced in past few years)....break-in before the attack...busted outside light.....and the close proximity to hwy 7 & hwy 77.

I've been reading as many comments to articles as I can -- some peeps wonder if SR is hitting communities w/ small police forces because there's less likely to be a presence in the wee hours.

Scary!!

You're right - Gov. Perry needs to let go of his BBQ'd ribs long enough to make sure LE gets this freak!!

ETA:

go read the comments here -- http://www.kbtx.com/local/headlines/85828512.html?storySection=comments

These ladies have reason to be scared!!

Ruflossn
03-02-2010, 12:50 AM
Hi Ya'll ~
I have been reading on this thread regularly. I can not believe this creep may have struck again. The coincidences of things being moved around etc........... is unsettling. IF this is not the twilight rapist, I believe it will be someone who has been reading about the TR attacks and is mimicking his sick crimes.

I am so saddened by this sick crime.

Missizzy
03-02-2010, 01:37 AM
Texas Mist--Because I think that LE checks WS, I'm going to post a snip from that comment page. I'm hoping this person calls in a tip. You are so right. It's downright terrifying!!

http://www.kbtx.com/local/headlines/85828512.html?storySection=comments

Posted from College Station 3/1/10
"...i could not get his license number, i starred at him with my hands on my hips , he left,this was maybe 2 months ago he was in a medium green station wagon, 2 weeks ago he was in a small white car, i stopped before i got to my street, I put my phone to my ear, he drove around me then..."

Missizzy
03-02-2010, 01:40 AM
Does anyone know any statistics concerning elderly women calling LE? I wonder if they call about the same as everyone else, less, more?

I've been so concerned from the beginning of the hunt for this rapist that women will keep their fear to themselves so as to assure their freedom and to not frighten their families.

justthinkin
03-02-2010, 02:32 AM
It sure would pay to know how old or how new the street views were for Google Maps for this street. Caught on Google Maps, probably around midday, are two trucks heading opposite directions on Ave D. basically in front of the victim's house. One is a maroon cab and a half pick-up. All I know is it isn't a Toyota. I'm thinking GM. I've worked and worked to get the license plate, but the map does crazy things when I try to zoom in on it. I can just make out the driver, but really can't tell much other than to see kind of an outline of the driver.
Maybe someone here will have better luck. If we could just pull that plate number! Or if we could read the white writing on the side of his tires to see what brand they are!

There's also a black pick up heading the other direction, but for some reason the map won't allow me to zoom in on it at all. So I haven't even been able to bring up a side view of it.

I've scanned the area around the victim's house to see where the perp could have been watching her from. It's fairly open area, but with some large heavy trees. Across Ave D is a railroad track, and a few large trees there also. This rapist has to be driving to get to these women, but where would he have parked his vehicle to attack this victim? In her driveway? Since Moody is a small town, he wouldn't have parked in front of her house on Ave D because anyone could see him there. Except maybe at the times he's striking he's counting on no one being around or being awake. I would bet he scopes out the traffic at the approx. time he plans to enter a victim's residence.

I wonder if this guy makes deliveries to feed stores or something of that nature? Like a Purina route salesman or something like that, someone who works in a distributing capacity? Could he be someone who trims trees for a living? Could he be working as a solicitor of some sort? That would sure make it easy for him to scope out women. Then all he has to do after determining their age is to check to see no other vehicles show up towards the evening hours. That could be how he determines they live alone.

What about one of these door to door steak salesmen? We get them in the city. They ring the bell, and say they just made thier last delivery for the day, but have some boxes left over. (terrible steaks) I bought them once. LOL.

I am just pulling my hair out that the word is not getting out to these elderly women in these towns in central Texas that there's a rapist on the loose. It sure sounds like this guy had already been in this lady's house prior to the rape since the caretaker said things had been moved around inside the house. What the H? When are the cops in these small towns going to do stake-outs at these break-ins where an elderly woman resides????

Texas Mist
03-02-2010, 09:46 AM
There's a new video "Elderly Woman Possible Twilight Rapist Victim" at this link

http://www.kwtx.com/localnews/headlines/85826312.html#

In it, reporter says that neighbors say there was a "clock moved" inside the vic's home.

Creepy - didn't take the clock but just had to touch it!!

IWannaKnow
03-02-2010, 11:06 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody,_Texas

Moody, Texas

Moody is a city in McLennan County, Texas, United States. The population was 1,400 at the 2000 census. It is part of the Waco Metropolitan Statistical Area. The city is well served by its police department.
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http://www.moodytexas.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12&Itemid=28

http://www.co.mclennan.tx.us/sheriff/phone.aspx

Sheriff's Office
Sheriff Larry Lynch
901 Washington Ave.
Waco, TX 76701
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So, Moody is actually served by a police force which is 43 minutes away from the victims residence, that could easily explain how he is getting away with this and I am sure he knows this...

ETA: also from Wikipedia - 16.3% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody,_Texas

A_News_Junkie
03-02-2010, 11:14 AM
There's a new video "Elderly Woman Possible Twilight Rapist Victim" at this link

http://www.kwtx.com/localnews/headlines/85826312.html#

In it, reporter says that neighbors say there was a "clock moved" inside the vic's home.

Creepy - didn't take the clock but just had to touch it!!

Okay, this is an odd question, but in that clip they show what appears to be investigators walking near a rail road -- have all our victims been near a rail road- could our perp being using the train as transportation?

Texas Mist
03-02-2010, 11:19 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody,_Texas

Moody, Texas

Moody is a city in McLennan County, Texas, United States. The population was 1,400 at the 2000 census. It is part of the Waco Metropolitan Statistical Area. The city is well served by its police department.
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http://www.moodytexas.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12&Itemid=28

http://www.co.mclennan.tx.us/sheriff/phone.aspx

Sheriff's Office
Sheriff Larry Lynch
901 Washington Ave.
Waco, TX 76701
************************************************** ********

So, Moody is actually served by a police force which is 43 minutes away from the victims residence, that could easily explain how he is getting away with this and I am sure he knows this...

ETA: also from Wikipedia - 16.3% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody,_Texas

Moody has a local police department altho I'm sure it's very small - given the fire department is volunteer.....Waco is the county seat for McLennan county so Sheriff's office is located there.

Texas Mist
03-02-2010, 11:25 AM
Okay, this is an odd question, but in that clip they show what appears to be investigators walking near a rail road -- have all our victims been near a rail road- could our perp being using the train as transportation?

I suppose he could but sounds like it would be hard to do the surveillance - and get away after the crime...IOW, trains don't really stop in a town.

There's not train stations in Central Texas except for one in Taylor & ya can catch a train to Fort Worth.

Lots of active railroads but I only see them used for transporting things like cattle, cars, grain, limestone, corn syrup, fuel, etc.

IWannaKnow
03-02-2010, 11:33 AM
OK, I'm wondering if you could go to Wikipedia for any given town and determine how many homes have a person over 65 living alone....for example Moody has 529 households from the 2000 census. Wiki says they have 16.3% of households with someone 65 or older living alone, which quick calculations tell me there would be approximately 85 houses with single seniors living in them. Where would you go from there to narrow down which of those houses contained single, elderly females??? Could that be done from the internet?

IWannaKnow
03-02-2010, 11:35 AM
Moody has a local police department altho I'm sure it's very small - given the fire department is volunteer.....Waco is the county seat for McLennan county so Sheriff's office is located there.

TM - are you sure they have a police force of their own? The links I saw from the town don't lead me to believe that. The town pages list a number to call, but that goes directly to McLennan Co. Sheriff's office, which makes me think that they are the first responders....

IWannaKnow
03-02-2010, 11:37 AM
Okay, this is an odd question, but in that clip they show what appears to be investigators walking near a rail road -- have all our victims been near a rail road- could our perp being using the train as transportation?

I was wondering that myself News Junkie. But that seems so obvious, especially since there have been other murderers who like this MO. I would really hope LE has already gone down that avenue....

Texas Mist
03-02-2010, 11:37 AM
Interesting comments I noticed today -- FWIW since it's comments to article

Posted by: Belton resident Location: Belton on Mar 1, 2010 at 10:19 PM
I had a weird experience with a direct tv guy last year..............[more] :eek:


Posted by: jan on Mar 1, 2010 at 10:09 PM
last year i read that he was calling his victims and one woman even said he has tapped into her phone conversations...............[more]

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/85826312.html?storySection=comments#commentSection

ETA: interesting that a DirecTV installer was acting so hinky....someone here thought of a guy like that being a possible perp....it would give him access to rural neighborhoods....wouldn't have to be a vic's house -- just close enough to scope one out.

Texas Mist
03-02-2010, 11:51 AM
TM - are you sure they have a police force of their own? The links I saw from the town don't lead me to believe that. The town pages list a number to call, but that goes directly to McLennan Co. Sheriff's office, which makes me think that they are the first responders....

Moody Police Department
606 Avenue East
Moody, TX 76557
(254) 853-2581

I just called the number above & it was answered by a lady "Moody Police Department"...I told her I was calling to verify there was a PD & not just McLennan Co. Sheriff's Office...she said "Yes, there is a police department."

IWannaKnow
03-02-2010, 11:58 AM
TM - the direct TV thing could be it. Those guys do cover a large service area and would have access to the whole house. Adds up with the cut phone lines too, but don't you think these ladies would be telling LE "oh, yes, that nice satellite cable installer was here" etc???

IWannaKnow
03-02-2010, 12:04 PM
Moody Police Department
606 Avenue East
Moody, TX 76557
(254) 853-2581

I just called the number above & it was answered by a lady "Moody Police Department"...I told her I was calling to verify there was a PD & not just McLennan Co. Sheriff's Office...she said "Yes, there is a police department."

You are far braver than I, lol. I saw that, but when I googled the number it comes up as Moody Elementary School or McLennan Sheriff's office....:waitasec:. And several of the comments I've seen after the articles allude to a severe reduction of their police force...

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/85826312.html?storySection=comments#commentSection
"Posted by: Moody Citizen Location: Moody on Mar 1, 2010 at 04:38 PM

Jim Lewis, Ray Meadows and Wendell Crunk reduced the law enforcement presence in Moody by 33%. This would not have happened 4 years ago"

Texas Mist
03-02-2010, 12:28 PM
You are far braver than I, lol. I saw that, but when I googled the number it comes up as Moody Elementary School or McLennan Sheriff's office....:waitasec:. And several of the comments I've seen after the articles allude to a severe reduction of their police force...

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/85826312.html?storySection=comments#commentSection
"Posted by: Moody Citizen Location: Moody on Mar 1, 2010 at 04:38 PM

Jim Lewis, Ray Meadows and Wendell Crunk reduced the law enforcement presence in Moody by 33%. This would not have happened 4 years ago"

It's actually surprising that a town of 1400 or so would have a PD....I've lived in little towns that size & never one that had a PD....the Sheriff's deputies or constables did patrol & serviced calls...TX DPS had a presence on the main hwys thru town so they kept an eye out, too.

I'd seen that comment (see my post #79) & guessed that it's pretty easy to reduce a force by 33% if there's less than 10-12 LEOs....maybe the graveyard shift was done away with & there's only LEOs on call? That would reduce a dept. by 33%.

IWannaKnow
03-02-2010, 12:31 PM
It's actually surprising that a town of 1400 or so would have a PD....I've lived in little towns that size & never one that had a PD....the Sheriff's deputies or constables did patrol & serviced calls...TX DPS had a presence on the main hwys thru town so they kept an eye out, too.

I'd seen that comment (see my post #79) & guessed that it's pretty easy to reduce a force by 33% if there's less than 10-12 LEOs....maybe the graveyard shift was done away with & there's only LEOs on call? That would reduce a dept. by 33%.

I understand this is all conjecture but that would be our target time period, yes? Wonder how the perp could know this...

Do you think it could be the Direct TV guy, but he is waiting a long period of time after the installation before he attacks so they aren't putting the two together?

Missizzy
03-02-2010, 02:34 PM
One of the things that is missing from this whole investigation is the lack of engagement of the possible victims. When we had our recent rash of rapes here in our town, women took to the streets and held "Take Back the Night" vigils. Police met with women's groups (and even one men's group) and went to the schools to talk to the kids about personal safety. The college held several informational meetings and flyers went up all over town.

I've seen very very little of this going on in Texas. Maybe it's not being reported. These older women need to be strongly encouraged to call with any tip, no matter how small. Tips shouldn't be anonymously posted on forums or whispered at church. There also shouldn't be a delay in reporting tips. LE needs to do some fast training of these women and where better but at the churches and community centers? It would probably take 30 minutes and a couple of take home brochures. Where's that task force and what is their budget?

We're going to have to accept that LE's probably not going to catch this guy through sheer luck. We here on WS, are not going to turn up the missing clue. No, an elderly lady who's been empowered by her recent personal safety training session is going to use her cell phone to quietly report a strange guy sitting in a car down the street. When LE rolls up, we'll be all too happy to listen to his story about the deer head in the trunk.

Texas Mist
03-02-2010, 10:06 PM
One of the things that is missing from this whole investigation is the lack of engagement of the possible victims. When we had our recent rash of rapes here in our town, women took to the streets and held "Take Back the Night" vigils. Police met with women's groups (and even one men's group) and went to the schools to talk to the kids about personal safety. The college held several informational meetings and flyers went up all over town.

I've seen very very little of this going on in Texas. Maybe it's not being reported. These older women need to be strongly encouraged to call with any tip, no matter how small. Tips shouldn't be anonymously posted on forums or whispered at church. There also shouldn't be a delay in reporting tips. LE needs to do some fast training of these women and where better but at the churches and community centers? It would probably take 30 minutes and a couple of take home brochures. Where's that task force and what is their budget?

We're going to have to accept that LE's probably not going to catch this guy through sheer luck. We here on WS, are not going to turn up the missing clue. No, an elderly lady who's been empowered by her recent personal safety training session is going to use her cell phone to quietly report a strange guy sitting in a car down the street. When LE rolls up, we'll be all too happy to listen to his story about the deer head in the trunk.

Bouncing off your post here, MissIzzy --

I started a thread here

Serial rapist attacking elderly women in Virginia?? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

about a possible serial rapist attacking the elderly in Virginia....it doesn't look like LE is doing much except telling women not to open their door to strangers & be sure they leave a porch light on!! :banghead:

They need to be bringing more awareness to this situation - in VA & in TX.

Can y'all help me keep an eye on VA, too??

txsvicki
03-03-2010, 01:23 AM
Since the Texas Rangers are in on this you'd think they might have staked out the woman's home at night if they had any way of knowing that her home had been entered and things moved around (especially the clock!) beforehand.

Missizzy
03-03-2010, 01:38 AM
txsvicki--I think that's the problem. These women are not alerting LE to concerns. They are NOT being proactive and they've got to be convinced that they must be. My guess is that this caretaker and local LE about died when they heard that this woman had had a clock moved and a light broken out "a couple of weeks ago". It's a lot like a child telling a parent that a man tried to talk them into getting in his car to go look for a lost puppy last Wednesday.

There's a cultural divide here, related to age IMO. To my mind, Texas elder women fall into two categories. They are either hell on wheels (Molly and Ann types) or they don't want to "be a bother". Well, I'm bothered for them!!

This is proving to me that, more than ever, elders need specific education in personal safety. Let's not forget which age group gets scammed more often too. I think the Baby Boomers are going to arrive in their elder years with this info under their belt but there's a large part of the population who hasn't had this training. I think that those who live in safer, rural areas are actually more at risk as they've never had their guard up.

eachandevery
03-03-2010, 10:54 AM
Bouncing off your post here, MissIzzy --

I started a thread here

Serial rapist attacking elderly women in Virginia?? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96913)

about a possible serial rapist attacking the elderly in Virginia....it doesn't look like LE is doing much except telling women not to open their door to strangers & be sure they leave a porch light on!! :banghead:

They need to be bringing more awareness to this situation - in VA & in TX.

Can y'all help me keep an eye on VA, too??

Right, because leaving the porch light on is going to make all the difference when it comes to preventing a determined predator from attacking, especially in areas that are more rural. I must have missed the part in the Texas cases that said the women opened their doors and let the serial rapist in.

What is wrong with LE? Downplaying the seriousness of these situations isn't beneficial to anyone, let alone elderly women who believe they've reached a point in their lives where they are safe. So frustrating!

Texas Mist
03-03-2010, 11:10 AM
Right, because leaving the porch light on is going to make all the difference when it comes to preventing a determined predator from attacking, especially in areas that are more rural. I must have missed the part in the Texas cases that said the women opened their doors and let the serial rapist in.

What is wrong with LE? Downplaying the seriousness of these situations isn't beneficial to anyone, let alone elderly women who believe they've reached a point in their lives where they are safe. So frustrating!

No worry - you didn't miss anything that I know of....We haven't heard that the elderly TX women are opening their doors...That's what was reported for the VA rapes & assaults.

Missizzy
03-03-2010, 05:20 PM
I just came upon this article dated March 2nd. It's got a couple of good points (no DNA means he might not be a US citizen, OK) but a huge glaring error on page 2:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2752999/twilight_rapist_serial_rapist_in_texas.html?cat=47

"Since he does rob his victims and has possibly been captured on video at an ATM machine using one of his victim's ATM cards, perhaps authorities will be able to locate him this way.

What???? How could a reporter miss that the Lubbock rapist was found not to be connected to the Central Texas rapes. This is appalling as it will give people the impression that the guy in Lubbock is what our guy looks like and he could look VERY different. That wasn't the same man!! I'm going to send a quick email to the reporter and see if she can get that sentence retracted. I encourage others to do the same.

Missizzy
03-03-2010, 05:31 PM
I see absolutely no way to contact anyone connected to that article. Help!! We need to get that error corrected. Is there nobody home at Associated Content?

The article was written by Aida Ekberg. I see no email address at all.

A_News_Junkie
03-03-2010, 05:46 PM
I see absolutely no way to contact anyone connected to that article. Help!! We need to get that error corrected. Is there nobody home at Associated Content?

The article was written by Aida Ekberg. I see no email address at all.

This is a site where anyone can publish - not to be confused with Associated Press.
Here is a phone number for a guy named Luke: http://www.associatedcontent.com/pressroom.html

Look in blue box - press room

Missizzy
03-03-2010, 06:37 PM
Thank you, ANJ, there's a little "contact" button there which connects to a message page. I left a message for the News Editor with several links explaining that the Lubbock rapist is NOT the Central Texas rapist.

I'm well aware of that particular news source and have been irritated with it in the past. However, this sort of error could cost someone their life. We've heard "dark-skinned" over and over and the young man in Lubbock was black. We have no idea what race the Central Texas Rapist is, however.

It really bothers me as that article came up first for me when I did a search today. I can imagine an elder lady reading and getting the wrong idea. Let's watch it to make sure they correct it.

A_News_Junkie
03-03-2010, 06:47 PM
Thank you, ANJ, there's a little "contact" button there which connects to a message page. I left a message for the News Editor with several links explaining that the Lubbock rapist is NOT the Central Texas rapist.

I'm well aware of that particular news source and have been irritated with it in the past. However, this sort of error could cost someone their life. We've heard "dark-skinned" over and over and the young man in Lubbock was black. We have no idea what race the Central Texas Rapist is, however.

It really bothers me as that article came up first for me when I did a search today. I can imagine an elder lady reading and getting the wrong idea. Let's watch it to make sure they correct it.

Did you call them too? I hate that they picked that name to try to make some think they are the real AP - grrrrrrrr.

justthinkin
03-04-2010, 03:35 AM
I went back to Google Maps, and tried pulling up the pics of the trucks again. I followed one via their web cam into the parking lot of David's, the local grocery store, just a couple of blocks down from the victim's house in Moody. Get this. There are only 4 cars in the lot, plenty of parking at the front of the building, rest of the lot empty, but this truck pulls over to the far side of the realatively large lot, and parks facing the building to the left of David's. This seems really odd to me unless the truck belongs to an employee who was arriving for work during daytime hours. Also, the way the truck is sitting, it looks like he pulled in perpendicular to a white car parked facing the front of the building, and he is blocking that car's way if the driver should come out and want to leave. I got a look at the back of the truck. It is a Chevrolet, but I can't tell if it is the mid size or full sized pick up. Map won't allow me to zoom in close enough to get a plate number on the truck. Also, the vehicle changes color depending on which frame I'm looking at of it. In some pics it looks maroon, in others black. Not sure why that is or how that happens, but it does do that.

I will next try for the truck going the opposite direction. If you will remember, I said there were two trucks caught on the Google Maps web cam in front of the victim's house. Wouldn't it be something if a Google web cam captured a photo of this rapist's vehicle? What would be the odds on that, a million to one? I'm guessing everyone knows how to work the Google Map Street View to move up and down streets?

There's one thing that all these women have in common. At sometime they have to go to the grocery store. Is that what he's doing? Sitting in the lot, observing elderly women as they come out, then following them home to find out where they live? I don't know if the truck spotted by the Google Street View Cam is the perp's vehicle or someone else's, but it sure gave me a good idea as to how he could accomplish his stake outs! The older the woman, the more likely it is that her husband is deceased. He obviously knows that.

I think he is choosing women who live either on rural lanes where the houses are far apart or women who may live a short distance from a commercial building. He could be parking his car in the building's lot then walk or sneak his way over to his victim's house to rob and rape her. At least this could have been the set up in Moody. I will have to look to see where the closest commercial buildings are to one of the victims in Yoakum whose street we have a picture of. If this guy pulls into a commercial building lot of any kind, and parks somewhat away from the building itself and out in the open, then little attention is going to be drawn to his vehicle day or night. And no one is going to pay any attention to any vehicle parked in a grocery store lot with someone sitting in the driver's seat. It's just too common an occurance.

IWannaKnow
03-04-2010, 12:39 PM
I think he is choosing women who live either on rural lanes where the houses are far apart or women who may live a short distance from a commercial building. He could be parking his car in the building's lot then walk or sneak his way over to his victim's house to rob and rape her. At least this could have been the set up in Moody. I will have to look to see where the closest commercial buildings are to one of the victims in Yoakum whose street we have a picture of. If this guy pulls into a commercial building lot of any kind, and parks somewhat away from the building itself and out in the open, then little attention is going to be drawn to his vehicle day or night. And no one is going to pay any attention to any vehicle parked in a grocery store lot with someone sitting in the driver's seat. It's just too common an occurance.

justthinkin' - your post made me study my maps some more.....did you notice the very large cemetery kitty-cornered to the victims home across the railroad tracks??? I spent some time trolling the google street view based on your post which made me wonder where he was doing his surveillance from, and noticed that, which you can see from Ave D, across the tracks. I would think that he would have a good view of the victim's home, especially with some binoculars, and I wouldn't think he would attract a lot of attention parked in a cemetery, especially in the back and if he did stay there too many days in a row. Also, I noticed that she has what appears to be a dog run (?) next to her carport, appears to be dogless...but there are plenty of areas to conceal yourself and it doesn't appear to me the perp would be visible from either the house or the next door neighbors, either. This run backs right up to the alley and is blocked by the carport from the house. IF this is the guy, it seems to me he is doing his initial surveillance from the cemetery and maybe moving up to the dog run???

I tried to post pictures from google maps, but I'm apparently to stupid to make it work. So, please go to google street view and look at three things: 1) Moody Cemetery on Ave. C - turn around and look at the nice view of the victims home from there.
2) from Moody Cemetery, go back down Ave. C toward vics house, note good size tree and cedar bush directly across from her house. The only thing behind them are a large empty field and the cemetery. Great viewing spot. The only way you would be caught is if someone was driving down Ave. C, which doesn't look like much of a throughway, especially with Ave D right on the other side of the tracks...
3) Look at the little complex of dog house(?) etc next to the carport. Another nice viewing area in the dark when the neighbors wouldn't be able to spot him...

If anyone would like to give remedial lessons on map posting, I would be happy to try to show you guys what I've been looking at.

ETA: I went up and down Ave. C, there is nothing there. The closest houses are quite a distance away and the view to the cemetery protected by rows of trees and brush. The only thing next to the cemetery is a cell phone tower (!?!), fenced off with high fencing. He had this place to himself, to do as he pleased and he could have watched her from here for a very long time without anyone catching on, IMHO. Anyone think the cell phone tower is part of this, or just an accident, what with the cut phone lines?

IWannaKnow
03-04-2010, 02:22 PM
http://jobview.monster.com/GetJob.aspx?JobID=83628587&AVSDM=2010-02-04%2021:11:00&WT.mc_n=RSS2005_JSR

Tower Climber / Tower Services Technician /Telecommunications
About the Job
POSITION: Tower Services Technician
LOCATION: Dallas / Nationwide

Significant travel is required of >70% of year. Typically will be deployed on a project for 2-3 weeks at a time.
************************************************** *********************
ETA: Are police scanners broadcast via cell phone towers???

Missizzy
03-04-2010, 02:50 PM
I don't want you guys to think I'm ignoring this thread--I'm not. I'm fascinated by what is found on Google Maps. I just can't look at them as the site moves. That can set off seizures for me. So please post all the info you find, I'm very interested.

And that's an intriguing ad, there, IWannaKnow. Hmmmm

Personally, I don't think the guy's hanging out in the cemetery or coming in on the train. I know small Central Texas towns. Any guy hanging out in the cemetery would get checked out pretty quickly--especially if he's not a local with a routine. The train thing wouldn't work either, I don't think, as they are too sporadic and move too slowly. I really never hear of anyone jumping one anymore. JMO

Concerning the grocery store--we've considered that quite a bit. We need to remember, though, that many of these women are not driving. The caregiver in this recent attack actually said that the lady didn't get out much. Could there be something related to seeing an obvious caregiver assisting a lady and then following them home? We've heard two separate times now that a "son checked on the woman" at a specific time. Anything there? Would a son be checking and still have a caregiver? And what about the church angle? It doesn't seem to be a factor in this attack. But we've had several rapes seemingly connected with women getting ready for a very early service. Are they picked up by someone?

I'd really like some info on who's reporting these rapes. Are the women calling 911 or is a caregiver, family member, driver, or neighbor finding the women? If anyone sees this addressed in any comment section, please post it.

IWannaKnow
03-04-2010, 03:11 PM
Miss Izzy - I edited my first post so many times I lost count, but the last edit was to state that that was a CELL PHONE tower next to the cemetery, with nary a house in sight - except across the railroad tracks on Ave D. I guess I could try to figure out the exact mileage to the houses, but they are not close. So, my point with the cemetery was that there is a cell phone tower right next to it, with NOTHING around either one of them, and the closest houses have no line of sight due to distance and rows of brush and trees between the fields - that is, the houses on that side of the railroad tracks. This is not directly across from the victims home, but certainly close enough and if the jobs are 2 to 3 weeks in nature.....I actually started out with the cemetary, thinking he did his surveillance from there, but now think this cell phone tower thing could be good. It is very interesting to me that the victims phone lines were cut, and the first victim was moved by LE, but he still found her a second time. Could LE's conversations have been transmitted by a cell tower he had access to? I admit I don't understand how all this works, but I think this is the most possible scenario I've come up with yet. All came from stumbling across that tower trolling through google street view.

IWannaKnow
03-04-2010, 03:45 PM
OK, so the only things across the street from the cell tower are the Texaco station, Newmans Quick Stop from what I can tell, and the girl there says they are open until 10:00 every day. The only other thing across from the tower is a vacant house, which in a different google view has a bbq trailer parked in front of it. There really isn't anything else right across the street from this tower and certainly nothing around or behind it. Great place to hang out if you had a legitimate reason to be there....

lisa01
03-05-2010, 01:26 AM
This was just reported today by a local news channel about the incident in Moody.

"Another Break-In Reported At Home Where Elderly Woman Attacked"

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/86429282.html

Texas Mist
03-05-2010, 01:32 AM
This was just reported today by a local news channel about the incident in Moody.

"Another Break-In Reported At Home Where Elderly Woman Attacked"

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/86429282.html


:Welcome-12-june: to Websleuths, lisa01

TY for the update, lisa....it just sucks that local Austin media isn't covering this!!

I'm so glad this lady's son was staying with her.....this SR is very bold - but it sounds like he's slipping up if he tried to break in w/ the son in the house.

Still - so scary.....how can that poor lady ever sleep again??? :(

lisa01
03-05-2010, 01:37 AM
Thanks for the welcome....I found this site while searching for the stories about this incident.

I only live 12 miles from Moody and all of this stuff is just crazy.

The idea that this creep may have broken into this person's house again just 48 hours after the initial attack on Sunday is just crazy.

How was this person not able to be caught the second time? Moody is such a small town.

Texas Mist
03-05-2010, 01:41 AM
Thanks for the welcome....I found this site while searching for the stories about this incident.

I only live 12 miles from Moody and all of this stuff is just crazy.

The idea that this creep may have broken into this person's house again just 48 hours after the initial attack on Sunday is just crazy.

How was this person not able to be caught the second time? Moody is such a small town.

It *is* crazy!!

Does Moody PD not have a late nite patrol shift? Do you know how many LEOs in Moody PD are patrolmen/women?

lisa01
03-05-2010, 01:48 AM
I have a friend who lived in Moody for a while and she said that when she lived there it only had one officer.

I'm shocked that there was no LE watching this person's house at least for a few days afterwords to see if this weirdo might come back since his initial attack was foiled by this feisty senior kicking him.

Texas Mist
03-05-2010, 01:54 AM
I have a friend who lived in Moody for a while and she said that when she lived there it only had one officer.

I'm shocked that there was no LE watching this person's house at least for a few days afterwords to see if this weirdo might come back since his initial attack was foiled by this feisty senior kicking him.

he wasted no time-- 48 Hours!!

It seems he's escalating.....Unfortunately I think we'll hear about him again, soon.

And ITA - why wasn't *somebody* from LE, even DPS -- altho it's technically not their job -- they are part of the task force....Dept. of PUBLIC SAFETY needs to mean something!

I hope Gov. Perry isn't on a high horse because he won the primaries & is now just gonna forget about the SR becuz he's a shoein.

I feel so badly for this lady...and her next-door elderly neighbor lady too.

Starry Night
03-05-2010, 04:43 AM
Hi everyone.....I couldn'tsleep tonight and stumbled back into this thread=very sorry to see perhaps another attempt from Twilight. What struck me is the railroad thing. I live very near some railroad tracks and yesterday after work there were 2 utility-looking vehicles parked right next to the tracks. On down the tracks were some work crews doing something right on the tracks with some large machinery. Some kind of maintenance. The trucks were Union-Pacific Railroad. So maybe Twilight works for the railroad? Do they stay overnight in small towns in little motels? This is all so baffling. And also very disturbing that me, a news junkie, heard it here first-about the Moody attack. Kinda burns me up. Praying they find the perp.

A_News_Junkie
03-05-2010, 08:51 AM
Miss Izzy - I edited my first post so many times I lost count, but the last edit was to state that that was a CELL PHONE tower next to the cemetery, with nary a house in sight - except across the railroad tracks on Ave D. I guess I could try to figure out the exact mileage to the houses, but they are not close. So, my point with the cemetery was that there is a cell phone tower right next to it, with NOTHING around either one of them, and the closest houses have no line of sight due to distance and rows of brush and trees between the fields - that is, the houses on that side of the railroad tracks. This is not directly across from the victims home, but certainly close enough and if the jobs are 2 to 3 weeks in nature.....I actually started out with the cemetary, thinking he did his surveillance from there, but now think this cell phone tower thing could be good. It is very interesting to me that the victims phone lines were cut, and the first victim was moved by LE, but he still found her a second time. Could LE's conversations have been transmitted by a cell tower he had access to? I admit I don't understand how all this works, but I think this is the most possible scenario I've come up with yet. All came from stumbling across that tower trolling through google street view.

Now - there is an interesting thought! I listen to my local police scanner online all the time. So what would be interesting to me (I do hope the Rangers are reading here!) is where the officer(s) in all the small towns on another call at the time of the attack? Perhaps our perp knows when they are on the other side of town or on dinner/bfast break.
If these towns are that small there might be only one or two officers on at that time of night (if any at all :-( )

eachandevery
03-05-2010, 11:41 AM
A News Junkie, does your scanner pick up regular phone conversations? I don't have one, but I have a relative who does and I know they've heard a number of personal calls.

Missizzy
03-05-2010, 11:55 AM
I'm wondering if there's any possibility that someone else broke into the home--even a teen--knowing how it would freak everybody out? The house and address were shown for all the world to see.

Has anyone seen any proof that it was indeed the serial rapist, the second time? Also, do we have confirmation that any DNA has been linked to this case.

If it was actually our guy, the second time, something's shaking loose. He's either out of control or wanting to be caught/or both. IMO

And welcome, Lisa!!

A_News_Junkie
03-05-2010, 12:01 PM
A News Junkie, does your scanner pick up regular phone conversations? I don't have one, but I have a relative who does and I know they've heard a number of personal calls.

I listen online, but I have heard that too. Seems from this wiki article that cell phones and cordless phones can be hacked, but note it is illegal - but then so is raping elderly ladies - grrrrrrrrrr :-(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanner_%28radio%29

See, I would want to know if all the ladies use the same type phone -- ie: all only have a landline, all have a cell phone or all have cordless phones. An angle to follow, IMHO.

eachandevery
03-05-2010, 12:28 PM
You know what, I think it is cordless phones that can be listened in on. If I remember correctly, at one point you were supposed to buy a cordless phone that had a certain model number (is it frequency?) in order to avoid such a problem. I don't know if that's the case now, but it was in the past.

justthinkin
03-05-2010, 02:17 PM
I used to live in a small town here in TX. It is easy to find out when the LEOs are doing shift changes--the most opportune time for anyone to commit any kind of crime.

Secondly, the town I lived in had a PD, but in the evenings, the sheriff's dept. took over. I know for a fact that the county I lived in had two deputies only on patrol. One covered the north end of the county, the other the south, and that's a lot of territory for one officer. These towns don't have budgets that would allow for additional officers, despite need. Most of the time their work was domestic disputes, auto wrecks, teenagers and drugs, and loose livestock.

A serial rapist on the prowl is something they just can't guard against. I'm sure the officers they have are working overtime and overlapping coverage, but they are still going to be understaffed.

I would be surprised if the perp has any special knowledge of the victims other than observation prior to his gaining entry into their home, but if the profile says this man likes elderly women, then he is likely employed in some position that puts him in contact with elderly persons and travel--home health aid. He might be allowing as much as six months time to elapse before striking, working and all the while compiling a list of those whom he will later hit. If not, sitting in the parking lot of a grocery store is an easy way to pick out persons he wants to attack. Just because we are told these women don't get out much, doesn't mean they never set foot in the grocery store either alone or accompanied by a care giver or family member. JMO.

I just don't think his method of picking out victims is going to be all that complicated or require special skills. Anyone whose job requires licensing by the state is likely not the perp. I think he is near the bottom employment wise, and unskilled or nearly so, working for minimum wage or just slightly above that.

Little old ladies are not technically inclined, and probably don't even have a cell phone. A cordless now that's different, and is utilized with a land line. That would make sense from the practical standpoint and convience.

A_News_Junkie
03-05-2010, 08:38 PM
he wasted no time-- 48 Hours!!

It seems he's escalating.....Unfortunately I think we'll hear about him again, soon.

And ITA - why wasn't *somebody* from LE, even DPS -- altho it's technically not their job -- they are part of the task force....Dept. of PUBLIC SAFETY needs to mean something!

I hope Gov. Perry isn't on a high horse because he won the primaries & is now just gonna forget about the SR becuz he's a shoein.

I feel so badly for this lady...and her next-door elderly neighbor lady too.

My friend just asked me if I saw this video and as I listened to it again - I get really angry........1. Why do they keep putting these elderly ladies names on the screen and in stories?????? 2. Listen at 1:08 the lady says, " The devastating thing is, we DO NOT HAVE POLICE PATROL HERE AT NIGHT."
What is it gonna take? Thank goodness her son was with her!

Missizzy
03-05-2010, 08:58 PM
How many times now, have we heard that a woman has a son checking on her? I don't think I've heard mention of any other family member than a son. Correct me if I'm wrong, please. Could this be a factor in some way?

My husband has said from the very beginning that the hours that this guy strikes are the "dead hours" in these small Texas towns. The town we lived in, Liberty Hill (in the 70s and 80s) only had a county constable. It literally took an hour to get a response. I know they have a police dept. now but I'll bet you dollars to donuts that there's nobody on duty from 4-6 am.

A_News_Junkie
03-06-2010, 02:11 PM
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/Moody-residents-focus-on-safety-while-authorities-investigate-assaults-possible-link-to-serial-rapist.html

A_News_Junkie
03-06-2010, 02:25 PM
Don't think this has been posted here: http://www.theeagle.com/local/Police--Elderly-woman-attacked

(((Also the thread mentioned below - I just posted there - an arrest made could be linked to their serial rapist.)))

Texas Mist
03-06-2010, 02:28 PM
My friend just asked me if I saw this video and as I listened to it again - I get really angry........1. Why do they keep putting these elderly ladies names on the screen and in stories?????? 2. Listen at 1:08 the lady says, " The devastating thing is, we DO NOT HAVE POLICE PATROL HERE AT NIGHT."
What is it gonna take? Thank goodness her son was with her!

Wacotrib did it again in the link you just posted -- put the lady's name & age!! It sounds like she lives alone -- GAH!! WTH?!!!

A_News_Junkie
03-06-2010, 02:44 PM
Wacotrib did it again in the link you just posted -- put the lady's name & age!! It sounds like she lives alone -- GAH!! WTH?!!!

Yes, but I was glad to see one little old lady refused to publish her name - you would think that would give a reporter a hint - eh? GADS!!!!!!!!!

Texas Mist
03-07-2010, 02:15 AM
EXCLUSIVE: Moody Police have persons of interest in elderly assault :applause:

Posted: Mar 06, 2010 6:16 PM CST
by John Cuoco

MOODY- Following an attack of an elderly woman Monday, the town of Moody has been on high alert.

In an exclusive interview with News Channel 25 on Sunday, Moody Police described the feeling in the town as fearful. They say their phones have been ringing off the hook with concerned residents.

The woman who was assaulted was in her 80s and lived by herself, but investigators would not positively connect this to the serial rapist terrorizing elderly women across Central Texas.

Moody Police said they are working their investigation and have a few people of interest in the case.

"We have some things we want to do and some things we are going to do, but everyone is trying to resolve this and hopefully we can get what everyone wants in the end, but best case scenario, we can resolve this," Officer Rick Ray said.

Contrary to prior reports, Moody Police told News Channel 25 there was never a second attack at the elderly woman's house on Tuesday. There was, however, a separate unrelated assault that happened that night between a couple in Moody at a different location.

The FBI, Texas Rangers, McLennan County Sheriff's Office, and Moody police are all working this case.

http://www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=12096656

Missizzy
03-07-2010, 10:51 PM
So does anyone remember exactly how long it took for the forensics guys to positively rule out the Lubbock rapist? It wasn't long, IIRC.

I can't find any more info on this new development in Moody.

Missizzy
03-07-2010, 10:59 PM
I just got an email from the Associated Content editor. He informed me that the article on their site has been corrected to remove the comment that there is an ATM photo of the rapist:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2752999/twilight_rapist_serial_rapist_in_texas.html?cat=47

"For a while it looked like there was hope in capturing the Twilight rapist, since a suspect was captured on video at an ATM machine using a victim's ATM cards, but the individual involved and apprehended in that rape and robbery ended up not being related to the crimes committed by the Twilight rapist...."

I see they even used the Lubbock link I provided them. I just hope someone didn't read the article the way it was originally written and hand onto that one erroneous fact. I think it was up for three days four days uncorrected. Great reporting....hmmmm.

Texas Mist
03-08-2010, 12:38 AM
So does anyone remember exactly how long it took for the forensics guys to positively rule out the Lubbock rapist? It wasn't long, IIRC.

I can't find any more info on this new development in Moody.

The Lubbock rape occurred on Jan. 16th...the earliest story I can find online is dated Feb.4th....so yeah, didn't take very long to get DNA results back.

http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020410/loc_558545756.shtml

I'm not finding any updates on the Moody attack either....guess we'll be waiting 2-3 weeks like we did to hear if the Lubbock attack was linked.

Missizzy
03-08-2010, 01:46 AM
Gee, I'm feeling safer for those ladies already.

Missizzy
03-09-2010, 04:30 AM
Just wanted to put this out there again. Some similarities and some differences but they can't get either guy. This is an updated PR of an earlier one I posted:

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Serial-rapist-suspected-in-at-least-four-attacks-in-Southwest-Houston-86246837.html

"A serial rapist is on the loose in Southwest Houston and police want to catch him before he strikes again.

Investigators with HPD’s Special Crimes Division believe the same suspect is responsible for at least four sexual assaults since last June. They believe he's getting more violent with each attack.

The most recent case happened on February 19 in the 8400 block of West Bartell....."


This is the guy who's struck several times at an apt. complex which houses med students. His victims have a wide age range but all live alone and were attacked in the early morning hours. He was wearing scrubs in the latest attack.

concerndgdaughter
03-09-2010, 09:15 AM
Hello! I wanted to thank you guys for the information that you have been bouncing off of one another. My grandmother was the woman in Moody and your information has been quite helpful. We are making decisions on the best way to protect her and the ideas you have given me are great! Hopefully we should know in the next couple of weeks (if they will tell us) if the evidence is linked to the same guy in all the other towns.

Texas Mist
03-09-2010, 10:01 AM
Just wanted to put this out there again. Some similarities and some differences but they can't get either guy. This is an updated PR of an earlier one I posted:

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Serial-rapist-suspected-in-at-least-four-attacks-in-Southwest-Houston-86246837.html

"A serial rapist is on the loose in Southwest Houston and police want to catch him before he strikes again.

Investigators with HPD’s Special Crimes Division believe the same suspect is responsible for at least four sexual assaults since last June. They believe he's getting more violent with each attack.

The most recent case happened on February 19 in the 8400 block of West Bartell....."


This is the guy who's struck several times at an apt. complex which houses med students. His victims have a wide age range but all live alone and were attacked in the early morning hours. He was wearing scrubs in the latest attack.

Looks like Houston nabbed their monster thru DNA

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/crime_tracker&id=7318650

We just need the CenTex rapist caught now!

Hello! I wanted to thank you guys for the information that you have been bouncing off of one another. My grandmother was the woman in Moody and your information has been quite helpful. We are making decisions on the best way to protect her and the ideas you have given me are great! Hopefully we should know in the next couple of weeks (if they will tell us) if the evidence is linked to the same guy in all the other towns.

:Welcome-12-june: to Websleuths, concerndgdaughter ! :)

We have been so concerned about your grandmother & all the other ladies in Moody...so glad she has people who care about her & are helping to keep her safe.

I sure hope the leads that LE has now pan out & the scumbag(s) is off the street.

concerndgdaughter
03-09-2010, 10:48 AM
Thanks! I would say more about what I know but I am pretty sure this guy is pretty computer savvy and he is probably trolling the internet. I know if you guys knew more you would have more accurate information to go on. Just know that the information that the media is publishing is not the best and they refuse to retract misinformation- at least in my grandmother's case. The person who has claimed to be my grandmother's caretaker has never been her caretaker, just cleaned her house and my grandmother fired her. Unlike some of the victims, she is quite competent, mentally sharp and capable- but unfortunately this guy is operating at a very high level that would be difficult for even a younger person to deal with.

A_News_Junkie
03-09-2010, 12:24 PM
Hello! I wanted to thank you guys for the information that you have been bouncing off of one another. My grandmother was the woman in Moody and your information has been quite helpful. We are making decisions on the best way to protect her and the ideas you have given me are great! Hopefully we should know in the next couple of weeks (if they will tell us) if the evidence is linked to the same guy in all the other towns.

WELCOME and ((((((((HUGS)))))))))) to you and your Gma. We won't stop this creep is found. The most frustrating part of this case is lack of information and miss-information by the media.

Rest assured though, we won't rest until this sorry excuse for a human is in a cage where he belongs. BTW - what you see here on the board is often not everything we are working on. I know I have maps and timelines that I have not put up as they are just my way of seeing the case to see if anything clicks and that I share back and forth with a fellow sleuth-er type who also makes things like that to use to plug the info into. If we could get accurate information I would feel better about posting some of this stuff, but alas we are getting dribbles and those are not always pure dribbles.

Missizzy
03-09-2010, 12:45 PM
We're so glad to have you concerndgdaughter and (((hugs))) to your whole family!! Thank you for sharing what we already suspected--that LE is not releasing some information which might bring more safety to the women of Texas. Information is power and I live in fear that other women will be victimized due to misinformation and lack of information.

Is there any way to link the use of caretakers to this guy? You say that your grandmother was much more capable than the news painted her to be. Was she still able to drive herself to church and the store?

And can you give us any information on her current status? Is she healing? Is appropriate therapy being provided? Know that our thoughts and prayers are with you all.

Welcome again.

Missizzy
03-09-2010, 01:01 PM
Texas Mist--Did you see that comment that Samuel Henderson, the Houston serial rapist, has charges dating back 20 years?? The article also says that he would leave his wife and daughters at night and go out stalking victims. Yikes, that's chilling. I can't find what his employment was. Being that he wore scrubs in one attack and seemed to target med students, is there a connection with a hospital or med school?

SunnieRN
03-09-2010, 01:47 PM
Thanks! I would say more about what I know but I am pretty sure this guy is pretty computer savvy and he is probably trolling the internet. I know if you guys knew more you would have more accurate information to go on. Just know that the information that the media is publishing is not the best and they refuse to retract misinformation- at least in my grandmother's case. The person who has claimed to be my grandmother's caretaker has never been her caretaker, just cleaned her house and my grandmother fired her. Unlike some of the victims, she is quite competent, mentally sharp and capable- but unfortunately this guy is operating at a very high level that would be difficult for even a younger person to deal with.

Welcome and prayers to your Grandmother and your family. I am very happy she has a supportive family and find it very sad that the reporters are so slow to correct errors. Not good journalism in my opinion.

MissIzzy, I totally agree with you that there needs to be investigation into the idea of an agency this woman may work/have worked for, that perhaps the other victims also use. I also wondered if the victims have haf home health aides that were in the home following hospitalizations or surgeries. Also did all the women have dogs? What about someone at a vets office?

I find that safety increases in numbers, more often than not. Maybe these ladies need to have "sleepovers" or churches need to have volunteers that spend the night at these womens house.

A concern I have is the woman stating she has a gun. In my honest opinion that man be a reason for this POS to escalate his violence and carry a gun himself. I certainly hope this is not the case.

All small towns need an active neighborhood watch. There needs to be notes taken of unusual cars in neighborhoods, strangers with their descriptions as well as a patrolling body of able citizens (this was very effective in towns I have lived in previously). If there were these patrols, all single women could have their addresses listed and they could have a signal of sorts, where if their porch light was off, someone could check on them.

Yep, I know I am grasping at straws here, but maybe it can jog someone elses thoughts.

Missizzy
03-09-2010, 02:03 PM
Sunnie--We've gone over the vet tech, pharm tech, grocery stocker idea. I still think it's a strong possibility. This guy sees these women but they don't recognize him. He's also not alarming neighbors or LE by hanging around. I'm not so sure that small Texas towns need volunteers to watch as I've found neighbors there to be like hawks and to note and describe every little change. This is what is so perplexing. And you add in that he seems to be striking in strongly white neighborhoods while he's described as dark-skinned. We're missing something.

Didn't someone say that there was a dog kennel attached to this house. Was it you, NJ?

I have to say that Texas isn't winning any crime fighting awards from me on this case. I hate to be disrespectful as we have no idea what's going on behind the scenes, but it's looking like they're dropping the ball to a degree. The reporting has been abysmal and chock full of errors. It's pretty sad when a member of WS has to write to two editors now (and that's just me...not sure about anyone else) to correct errors in print media. I just don't think that Texas is putting their elder ladies on the priority list at this point. And that's inexcusable. There's supposed to be a Governor's Task Force but I haven't seen them holding pressers or even releasing updates. I can't imagine this playing out the same way if this were 6 year olds being raped in their beds.

Don't most people in Texas have a Grandma? Why aren't they up in arms about this?

Texas Mist
03-09-2010, 02:05 PM
Texas Mist--Did you see that comment that Samuel Henderson, the Houston serial rapist, has charges dating back 20 years?? The article also says that he would leave his wife and daughters at night and go out stalking victims. Yikes, that's chilling. I can't find what his employment was. Being that he wore scrubs in one attack and seemed to target med students, is there a connection with a hospital or med school?

Looking at a google map for area near 8400 W Bartell Dr, there's lots of medical-related offices, and several hospitals within a short drive...one of them being Woman's Hospital.

Who knows about the scrubs tho....you can by them at HEB & Walgreen's now...maybe the SR wore them so that people wouldn't think too much about him if they saw him walking around apartment parking lots in the middle of the night.

concerndgdaughter
03-09-2010, 02:07 PM
WELCOME and ((((((((HUGS)))))))))) to you and your Gma. We won't stop this creep is found. The most frustrating part of this case is lack of information and miss-information by the media.

Rest assured though, we won't rest until this sorry excuse for a human is in a cage where he belongs. BTW - what you see here on the board is often not everything we are working on. I know I have maps and timelines that I have not put up as they are just my way of seeing the case to see if anything clicks and that I share back and forth with a fellow sleuth-er type who also makes things like that to use to plug the info into. If we could get accurate information I would feel better about posting some of this stuff, but alas we are getting dribbles and those are not always pure dribbles.

Is there another way to contact you besides the online postings? I am afraid of publishing too much info.

Ruflossn
03-09-2010, 02:32 PM
So does anyone remember exactly how long it took for the forensics guys to positively rule out the Lubbock rapist? It wasn't long, IIRC.

I can't find any more info on this new development in Moody.

Missizzy ~
Everyday, I look for an update on the DNA analysis.
IMO, the test results should be back. Especially in a "high profile" case like this one. I will continue to search and hopefully info on the results will released soon.

Flossie

Ruflossn
03-09-2010, 02:43 PM
concerndgdaughter~
Welcome to WS. Imo, you will not find a more caring group of sleuthers than those that have been posting on this case.

I am sure that LE (law enforcement) has briefed you and your family on all the aspects of this case. As a person who has an active interest in behavioral profiling, I wanted to let you know that 'victimology' is a very important part of resolving any crime. Especially one of this nature. It will be imperative that LE try and connect the dots so that all the victims can be traced to to a singular or plural interaction with a situation or person etc.............. When you grandmother reflects on the weeks, days etc..... that led up to her attack, remember to take notes and that nothing is insignificant.
What may seem insignificant to you may be something that LE has not released to the families or public. It may be the one link that will tie things together.

I am so very sorry that your Grandmother and your entire family is having to go through this. Assault is a very ugly crime. Assaulting an elderly woman makes it even uglier. (At least imo.) The phrase from my youth ~ "pick on someone your own size" just about sums it up. What a coward this rapist is . I need to stop typing. I can feel my anger escalating! Ugh. :furious:

Flossie

concerndgdaughter
03-09-2010, 04:16 PM
Thank you for your kind words. The process has been kind of frustrating- all I will say is that LE has been quite tight-lipped about everything. We will probably find out when you do as to the DNA results. Until then I am prepared to protect and defend her in any way that I can. We wish we knew more just like you do...

justthinkin
03-10-2010, 01:27 AM
concerndgdaughter,

Welcome to WS, and I sure hope your gma is recovering from this. Psychologically, it might take much longer, and I can't wait until this creep is behind bars so all the ladies can rest a whole lot easier, and breathe a sigh of relief.

If you contact Tricia, the owner of this website, she can fix it so you can send private messages. People are usually required to wait until 50 posts or something like that, but Tricia can intercede, and get it done pronto.

Missizzy
03-10-2010, 02:30 AM
TM--You jogged a memory of mine. A couple of nights ago, I thought about the idea of scrubs. So many people seem to respect/accept/feel comfortable around someone in scrubs even if they're in an entry level job. Interesting, huh?

Well, I wondered if this guy could wear scrubs and look as if he's just passing through a neighborhood. If each of these homes had a nursing home nearby, he could surely hang out in a car without attracting attention--having his break--or even go on a walk having a cigarette.

Most of these towns are way too small for a hospital but how about a care home or a nursing home? This would also explain the detailed understanding of elders and certain issues.

Missizzy
03-10-2010, 02:42 AM
Following that line of thought, could these ladies receive some sort of in house therapy at the care homes ie. physical therapy, etc. where he could observe the women who are his prey? He could be an orderly, a kitchen worker...all while watching. It's my experience that caregivers turn over pretty quickly. I know we had one description of the rapist removing his clothes but there wasn't a word about those clothes, was there?

justthinkin
03-10-2010, 11:01 AM
Missizzy, if he is working with the elderly, I'm thinking he's making a note of ladies he will attack in the future, and not within a week or two, but maybe as late as six months from now so they have long forgotten him by the time he attacks. There were a couple of rapes or attempted rapes that were only a few days apart. He would not have had time to scope these women out on such short notice.

I wonder if he could be handling medical records, say a medical transcriptionist and indirectly learning of these women?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdDvrV2VQI0

A_News_Junkie
03-10-2010, 11:04 AM
Is there another way to contact you besides the online postings? I am afraid of publishing too much info.

I should have an email link in my profile. If that fails for some reason or you can't find it write a moderator and tell them I said it is okay to give you my email address and link them to this post.

I also agree - write down everything gma tells you about events prior to the attack. Sometimes it is the tiny-est thing that is the link.

justthinkin
03-10-2010, 11:51 AM
A construction worker is someone who is easily mobile, and most of the work in small towns would be remodeling jobs. Actually, a roofer could easily observe other residents near a home where he's working.

Missizzy
03-10-2010, 12:06 PM
I don't want to be disrespectful here but I've lived the life of a contractor's wife for 37 years and could write a book on construction trade profiles!! Everyone keeps their eyes on roofers. Sad but true. The time frames don't work well for roofing IMO, roofing in Texas is usually not done in the middle of summer or January or February.

A roofer would never be alone either. He'd be with a crew. And if he didn't keep up with the other guys, he'd be fired within the hour. It's a tough field; typically high energy hard body guys with a high incidence of criminal background, partying, and drug use. That's not to say that there's some wonderful roofers out there but this is the stereotype. In all my 37 years, I've only met one roofer (out of maybe 200) who I would have allowed in my house. I just don't see this profile fitting the rapist. I don't think he likes to get dirty. Notice he "neatly" folded his clothes as he was removing them.

The medical transcriptionist is a possibility. We can't forget about the stolen items, though. I still think that's a huge clue. Unless, LE has misled us.

PS If I've offended anyone by my profile on roofers, I apologize. I'd love to hear of a guy who proves me wrong.

justthinkin
03-10-2010, 01:04 PM
I'm thinking the initial motive is robbery, and the rapes are secondary to that. I would bet there's a string of robberies in small central Texas towns that preceded these rapes, but gosh, no one would've tied those together without the rapes and attempted rapes which came later. Just a guess on my part.

Missizzy,

It would make sense that almost any rapist would fold their clothes or at least place them in a neat pile so they would know where they are when they wnat to make their exit. They can't afford to shuck them all over the floor, and leave something behind that might identify them. Then again, this guy wasn't on any database prior to this string of rapes and robberies, and he's been very free with leaving his dna behind. He does seem a bit fastidious though. Maybe he doesn't like wrinkles.

Contracting work is something that anyone with some skills is apt to find work in small towns, and they can pick up and move onto another town easily, inquiring at a lumber yard for potential employers who might take them on.

Fastidious, deer heads, clocks...I wonder if he could be an antique dealer or purchaser. Might go door to door inquiring about purchasing antiques. Oh heck, maybe that idea is way out there.

A couple of these towns are really dinky, too small for a nursing home even, and likely no lumber yard. It would be good to know what businesses are in those very small towns, Seaton, and Zabickville. Doubt I spelled that last one correctly. Do we think this guy is just picking out towns he hasn't hit yet with the exception of those he's hit twice or is there some kind of business there he could be associated with? The smaller the town, the harder it is to be obscure. I lived in a town of 4,000, and believe me I knew when I saw a strange vehicle on my street that didn't belong there, and was one I hadn't seen in town either.

concerndgdaughter
03-10-2010, 01:37 PM
Has anyone thought of garbage men? They probably hire from the right group of people and would be able to find out a lot through trash if they had access to it.

Missizzy
03-10-2010, 01:47 PM
justthinkin--I agree with a lot of your possible theories but I strongly disagree that the initial motive is robbery. I don't see that as even an outside possibility. I think the only reason he scored the $10,000 or so in cash was that the poor woman offered it as a bribe not to rape her. He raped her anyway, IIRC.

I strongly believe the prior break-ins are to get a lay of the land, check for phones, surveillance, hearing aids, evidence of other residents, check the floor plan and to possibly intimidate. I read a comment a few months back which said that he'd used a toilet and not flushed it. That's classic for "organized rapists" from what I've read.

He goes in for the attack and takes a trophy. There's far easier ways to score money for drugs and forcing sex on an elderly lady is not every perp's cup of tea. He knows these women's routine and could easily (and does) break in and steal cash or valuables. He could probably break in while many of the ladies slept due to possible sleeping meds and hearing and vision deficits. He has easy access to any tangible things he wants. He just happens to want to rape.

No, IMO, he's exerting terror and control over a target group and he's got his game plan down to a precise science. JMO

Missizzy
03-10-2010, 01:53 PM
concernd--I think we've brought that idea up but remember, he's moving around. I think there'd be a lot of suspicion on a dark skinned young man who's moved around to a number of small towns in Central Texas in the past year. I'm sure LE's closely looked at all the obvious possible perps--garbage men, mail carriers, newspaper delivery people, pharm techs, grocery baggers.

I'm still thinking it's something to do with the church--possibly through a data base or a techie guy who has access to records.

Has it ever come out whether or not any or all these women use Scott and White Medical Services? That was one of my first thoughts.

Concernd--Can you answer any questions at all? Two I've really pondered are whether there are pets in the home and the issue of church denomination. Any unusual service provided to the home in the last several months. A death of a spouse or live-in adult?

concerndgdaughter
03-10-2010, 01:54 PM
Without saying too much Missizzy, I believe based on what you know that you are on the money. Now without DNA evidence it would be hard to know if this is the same guy or another guy with the same motive- like the Mississippi guy- a copy cat. I think that robbery is to support the expenses of the travel, the collectables are the prize and rape is the target. He just doesn't do it up front until he knows the lay of the land. In some ways this guy has a lot of knowledge but in other ways is not very intelligent.

Ruflossn
03-10-2010, 01:56 PM
Has anyone thought of garbage men? They probably hire from the right group of people and would be able to find out a lot through trash if they had access to it.

I had wondered about a temporary agency.
In my area of the country, there are temporary staffing agencies that supply "help" to all kinds of jobs. Construction, secretarial etc.................

As for the garbage collectors, is there one company that supplies all the small towns in the area of the assaults? What about a recycling company? In my town, the garbage collecting and the recycling are done by two separate companies.

One last thought, what about cleaning crews? In medical practices, there is often a cleaning crew that will come in after hours and clean the office buildings. This would be an environment where he could review patients records and determine who was living alone, age etc...............

concerndgdaughter
03-10-2010, 01:57 PM
Scott and White could be possible, denomination not. She is not Catholic. No maintenance work done on the house in the last year from people she did not know locally with a long relationship.

Missizzy
03-10-2010, 01:58 PM
Concernd--Did you ever get permission to PM any of us? I'd be more than happy to share some of my ideas and private research.

Ruflossn
03-10-2010, 01:58 PM
justthinkin--I agree with a lot of your possible theories but I strongly disagree that the initial motive is robbery. I don't see that as even an outside possibility. I think the only reason he scored the $10,000 or so in cash was that the poor woman offered it as a bribe not to rape her. He raped her anyway, IIRC.

I strongly believe the prior break-ins are to get a lay of the land, check for phones, surveillance, hearing aids, evidence of other residents, check the floor plan and to possibly intimidate. I read a comment a few months back which said that he'd used a toilet and not flushed it. That's classic for "organized rapists" from what I've read.

He goes in for the attack and takes a trophy. There's far easier ways to score money for drugs and forcing sex on an elderly lady is not every perp's cup of tea. He knows these women's routine and could easily (and does) break in and steal cash or valuables. He could probably break in while many of the ladies slept due to possible sleeping meds and hearing and vision deficits. He has easy access to any tangible things he wants. He just happens to want to rape.

No, IMO, he's exerting terror and control over a target group and he's got his game plan down to a precise science. JMO

I agree with most of this post.
Rapists are there to assault to rape.
Robbery is secondary motive.

The part I would disagree with is in referring to an "organized rapist". The category your referring to is actually called an "organized offender". There are differing types / classifications of rapists but organized (and disorganized) is not one of them. An organized offender is one that would most likely not leave obvious DNA. (As in using the bathroom and not flushing the evidence). An unorganized offender is one who would engage in this reckless type of behavior. However, this offender does have other types of organized traits. By not flushing the toilet, this leads me to believe he did it as an insult to LE. He was leaving DNA because he knows his DNA is not in CODIS. If he broke into the home and used the bathroom facilities, he could have used this tactic as a way of intimidating the potential assault victim. As always, this is just mo.

concerndgdaughter
03-10-2010, 02:00 PM
The garbage angle is that maybe the same garbage service for all the same towns- get close to choose victims, then come back on weekends for surveillance. Any chance you guys could find out who does collection in the other towns? With towns these small, I would think there would be only one or two providers for the rural areas. Post office, Fedex- no b/c they know the people personally and they have been doing it a long time.

concerndgdaughter
03-10-2010, 02:01 PM
Pm????

concerndgdaughter
03-10-2010, 02:03 PM
Ohh- got it- private message. Thanks for the offer.

Missizzy
03-10-2010, 02:08 PM
I'm sorry, "private message". After you've posted a certain number of times or get special permission, you can PM anyone and speak privately. You can also exchange private email addresses or always stay anonymous through the WS PM service. Just look at the very top where your welcome is. Under that will appear the words "Private Messages".

concerndgdaughter
03-10-2010, 02:18 PM
Missizzy I posted a message under your username.

A_News_Junkie
03-10-2010, 03:28 PM
Concerned,
Whenever we have a person who is saying they are involved in the situation (family, attorney, reporter, etc...) there is a verification process done by our administrator Tricia. I have asked her to verify you, as you seem interested in talking off the board - so you will understand if you get a message from her.
She does this with all family members and even if a person claims expertise in a area of focus in a case.

If you want to speed up the process - you can write Tricia here with your contact information: tgrif@xmission.com
(I emailed with her and she said to give you this information.)

concerndgdaughter
03-10-2010, 03:56 PM
I understand. I sent an email to Tricia.

txsvicki
03-10-2010, 06:25 PM
I hope we hear soon if the dna matches the twilight rapist or not. Hopefullly the news in and around Moody and even back into the previous area are alerting people and covering this story. Neighborhoods and local police need to be on the outlook for this guy. That, or a well aimed bullet is what is going to catch this attacker. I still think there could be a crime spree of ex cons or gang members attacking the elderly to extort money and one was more perverted and became a serial rapist. It's just too weird for young dark skinned males to be getting into older ladies homes in Texas and Va. demanding money and/or raping. I hope concerned's relative can remember back to if any young men came around asking for a little work to do or a handout. The one lady who had the big dogs said there were lots of them around that summer in her town as she worked out in her garden.

Missizzy
03-10-2010, 06:43 PM
Txsvicki--Just to be clear, I think you're referring to the Idaho story of the serial rapist which I linked to. That story had big dogs and a lady who worked in her garden. I don't think that's linked to Texas. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. BTW, the Idaho guy got life.

I've attempted to contact concerndgdaughter. Hopefully she'll write back to me.

And who is that in your avatar--a baby Chihuahua, a whippet, an Iggie? Whatever it is, can I pet him/her?

justthinkin
03-10-2010, 08:56 PM
justthinkin--I agree with a lot of your possible theories but I strongly disagree that the initial motive is robbery. I don't see that as even an outside possibility. I think the only reason he scored the $10,000 or so in cash was that the poor woman offered it as a bribe not to rape her. He raped her anyway, IIRC.

I strongly believe the prior break-ins are to get a lay of the land, check for phones, surveillance, hearing aids, evidence of other residents, check the floor plan and to possibly intimidate. I read a comment a few months back which said that he'd used a toilet and not flushed it. That's classic for "organized rapists" from what I've read.

He goes in for the attack and takes a trophy. There's far easier ways to score money for drugs and forcing sex on an elderly lady is not every perp's cup of tea. He knows these women's routine and could easily (and does) break in and steal cash or valuables. He could probably break in while many of the ladies slept due to possible sleeping meds and hearing and vision deficits. He has easy access to any tangible things he wants. He just happens to want to rape.

No, IMO, he's exerting terror and control over a target group and he's got his game plan down to a precise science. JMO

Missizzy, I see my post has been taken wrong. My fault. I just wasn't clear. What I meant was that this guy probably started out burglarizing residences, and later graduated to rape. I did not intend it to mean that burglary is still his primary motive. Rape has definitely been his motive since January of 09.

justthinkin
03-10-2010, 09:02 PM
Could this be as simple as this guy reading obituaries, picking up the name of the deceased, name of his widow, then tracking down the widow through an appraisal district?

Missizzy
03-10-2010, 10:28 PM
I've wondered that also--or how about someone from the mortuary? Jeni, who's a member here on WS, has told some pretty gruesome stories about mortuary workers. We're not totally certain, though, that all these women are even widows. I've wondered if they might be retired teachers. There's been talk of a church connection (several were preparing very early to go to a service and one played piano at her church) but no comments about that in this most recent attack.

And thank you for clarifying your point. I did misunderstand. I wonder if a common thief would escalate to rape. Can anyone help out with that? You know, we do have the Lubbock guy who robbed the elder woman and raped her. I've always wondered about the pathology there. Is it totally about control and terror? Do they get in the house to rob and think they'll scare some poor little old lady out of her wits. He's going to run into another one with a gun...with her glasses on. And none too soon.

I also keep going back to widely varying comments I've seen here and there. LE said these women are "frail little things". There was that recent comment from the caregiver/housekeeper in Moody that the woman didn't get out much. Then, we have the lady who still had a job. We just are not being given the whole story. I know that LE owes "us" nothing, but they do owe the ladies of Texas a heads up about the rapist's target prey IMO.

justthinkin
03-10-2010, 11:57 PM
One of the articles said that all the women were widows, but that was back when the count was 8 rapes and one thwarted rape by the 81 yr. old woman with a handgun & who knew how to use it.

I can't offer a clear answer your question, Missizzy. I would think there are burglars who would be opportunists, and rape occasionally during commission of a burglary or robbery, but I would think most true rapists start out mentally as such, seeing themselves in that role, but may commit lessor crimes first to build up confidence in themselves before advancing to rape, unless we are talking the worst variety of rapists, and I really don't want to talk about that type on here so as not to give anyone reading a wrong idea of the twilight rapist. He doesn't appear to fall into that category. Of course, there is no such thing as a good category of rapist, but some are usually less dangerous to their victims.

From the info we have, the twilight rapist seems to fall somewhere between a power aggressive rapist and a compensatory rapist with leanings towards him being more the former than the latter based on this assessment of rapist types:
http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/CrimPsych/CPSG-5.htm

Missizzy
03-11-2010, 01:33 AM
I was just studying a map of Central Texas. Have we thoroughly covered the Fort Hood angle? As far as I know there's one main entrance to Fort Hood--in Killeen, correct? That gate is 35 miles from Moody and much closer to several of the other towns which have had attacks. Maybe, he's originally from the Yoakum area or even the Youth Ranch and that's why he started out there.

I just cannot for the life of me figure out how this guy is avoiding detection with so many people looking for him. We know he almost taunts some of these women--playing with their minds--going into their homes before or after the attacks. That is a mighty bold man, if you ask me.

What if this guy has some serious military training and is playing this almost like a Ninja game? How else can he do the things he does and never get spotted. Southern neighbors are the nosiest in the world (a very good thing, BTW) and not a soul has thought back and remembered seeing a dark skinned young man in the area. What if he has reason to travel to recruiting sites or medical sites throughout the Central Texas area?

It doesn't add up. I'm getting tired of this "game" he's playing and it's got to stop.

That's my thought tonight....ninja.

justthinkin
03-11-2010, 03:39 AM
The thought that he might be or might have been stationed at Fort Hood has crossed my mind too, esp. since Moody is located not far from the post.

The attack in Zabcikville was made on a woman who lived on Hwy 53. One of her neighbors reported it was the house 7 doors down from his. I was able to google his name, look him up, and find out where he lived. That lady most probably lived very close to Green's Sausage House in Zabcikville, something of a draw for people in the area or those who would make the drive to eat there. Her comings and goings may have been observed from that restaurant.

Now, I really like your thinking, Missizzy about him being military with stealth type training. Interesting idea!

A_News_Junkie
03-11-2010, 09:19 AM
The thought that he might be or might have been stationed at Fort Hood has crossed my mind too, esp. since Moody is located not far from the post.

The attack in Zabcikville was made on a woman who lived on Hwy 53. One of her neighbors reported it was the house 7 doors down from his. I was able to google his name, look him up, and find out where he lived. That lady most probably lived very close to Green's Sausage House in Zabcikville, something of a draw for people in the area or those who would make the drive to eat there. Her comings and goings may have been observed from that restaurant.

Now, I really like your thinking, Missizzy about him being military with stealth type training. Interesting idea!

I was playing around with the man on the street in google last night and I got so excited when I saw that there is a Texaco gas station about a block or block and a halfish from the last victim's house in Moody. My first thought was yes, surveillance tape - maybe he stopped in there......till I zoomed in and saw we are talking very old hometown USA - not corporate America like my area has. I bet this gas station wasn't even open at the time, but if it was I do hope they talked to who was working.
I wish all the seniors in the area had a personal security necklace and along with LE being called they each had a neighbor added to the list of who to call -- preferably one who packs a gun! I recently looked into this and found that one company has protection that instantly knows if the phone line has been cut and sends LE out immediately. I won't say the company name as that might be against the rules but here is what the website for them says:
AlarmPlus - an additional level of protection will be activated the instant the line is cut. When the phone line is disabled, a wireless signal will be sent to the central station and operators will dispatch the authorities. Other alarm systems will not send or receive a signal if your phone line has been cut, and as a result no authorities will be alerted of the break-in.
And no, I don't work for them or know anyone that does - just part of my own personal searching due to a stalker type situation.

concerndgdaughter
03-11-2010, 10:09 AM
The whole town pretty much shuts down at night- after 6/7- the grocery store, the gas station, the French Quarter (the burger shop).

Texas Mist
03-11-2010, 11:26 AM
I was looking for any new updates on the CenTex SR & found this old news...couldn't find it already posted in this thread or thread #1.


Police ask for FBI's assistance to profile serial rapist
Posted On: Thursday, Oct. 29 2009 04:10 AM


<snip>

The attacker targets elderly women living in a specific type of home, Walter said. The attacks happened in older-style brick homes with well-kept lawns. Walter believes the suspect targets these homes because the people who live in them appear to have more money.

"You could look at one house, go to the next house and the only difference might be a carport drive attached," Walter said.

The attacks startle the elderly women who have been unable to provide a coherent description other than that he is "soft-spoken," Walter said.

The locations have baffled investigators. The attacks in Leon and Lavaca counties occurred more than 170 miles apart.

"It's such a widespread area. It's really hard to predict which direction to go," Walter said. "I wish we could because we'd be waiting on him."

Investigators suspect the attacker cases the homes beforehand. He strikes between 11 p.m. and 4 a.m. The attacker cuts off the home's electricity and sometimes removes phone lines.

During his escape, the attacker steals items; in past attacks, he stole a mounted deer head and a clock.

A quick-thinking woman thwarted an attack in Centerville Saturday.

The woman grabbed her gun when she heard the man approaching her bedroom. She pulled the trigger, but the gun misfired, Walter said.

The gun gave the woman time to escape out the front door. The attacker went out the back door.

The attack was the eighth attack believed to be related in the four counties since early this year. DNA linked several of the attacks in different counties. Not all of the attacks were sexual assaults. In some instances, only a burglary happened.

Bell County deputies will assist Leon County deputies at the community meeting Monday. Walter hopes the meeting will dispel rampant rumors.

One unsubstantiated rumor circulated that a recently released inmate was responsible for the attacks. Rumors create unnecessary panic in the small towns, Walter said.

http://www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=36700

Soooo - the SR doesn't *always* break into homes and/or attack in the wee hours of the morning...that's helpful to know.

A_News_Junkie
03-11-2010, 11:27 AM
THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR OF THE SERIAL RAPIST

http://www.holysmoke.org/fem/fem0126.htm

Wish I could find the conclusion - part 2 of this article online free - but alas, all I can find is subscription links.

A_News_Junkie
03-11-2010, 11:36 AM
I was looking for any new updates on the CenTex SR & found this old news...couldn't find it already posted in this thread or thread #1.


Police ask for FBI's assistance to profile serial rapist
Posted On: Thursday, Oct. 29 2009 04:10 AM


<snip>

The attacker targets elderly women living in a specific type of home, Walter said. The attacks happened in older-style brick homes with well-kept lawns. Walter believes the suspect targets these homes because the people who live in them appear to have more money.

"You could look at one house, go to the next house and the only difference might be a carport drive attached," Walter said.

The attacks startle the elderly women who have been unable to provide a coherent description other than that he is "soft-spoken," Walter said.

The locations have baffled investigators. The attacks in Leon and Lavaca counties occurred more than 170 miles apart.

"It's such a widespread area. It's really hard to predict which direction to go," Walter said. "I wish we could because we'd be waiting on him."

Investigators suspect the attacker cases the homes beforehand. He strikes between 11 p.m. and 4 a.m. The attacker cuts off the home's electricity and sometimes removes phone lines.

During his escape, the attacker steals items; in past attacks, he stole a mounted deer head and a clock.

A quick-thinking woman thwarted an attack in Centerville Saturday.

The woman grabbed her gun when she heard the man approaching her bedroom. She pulled the trigger, but the gun misfired, Walter said.

The gun gave the woman time to escape out the front door. The attacker went out the back door.

The attack was the eighth attack believed to be related in the four counties since early this year. DNA linked several of the attacks in different counties. Not all of the attacks were sexual assaults. In some instances, only a burglary happened.

Bell County deputies will assist Leon County deputies at the community meeting Monday. Walter hopes the meeting will dispel rampant rumors.

One unsubstantiated rumor circulated that a recently released inmate was responsible for the attacks. Rumors create unnecessary panic in the small towns, Walter said.

http://www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=36700

Soooo - the SR doesn't *always* break into homes and/or attack in the wee hours of the morning...that's helpful to know.

Ugggggggggg - I would love to know if they have done a full profile on this guy. I think he has hostility issues relating back to a mother, teacher or women who had control of his destiny at one time. Perhaps a women who sent him to jail for a period of time. Perhaps an overbearing mom (CA comes to mind) and thus his need to control this group of women.
So if this article is correct:
1. WHY DO WE NOT HAVE AN ARTIST RENDERING OF THE BASIC TYPE HOUSE HE PICKS?
2. WHY IS THE PUBLIC NOT BEING SHOWN THIS ON EVERY POSSIBLE MEDIA OPTION AVAILABLE?
3 WHY IS THERE NOT A PROFILE DONE AND BEING DISTRUSTED?

Other questions - why is the description still so vague? Why no artist rendering?

I also think it is plausible that the perp spent time in Huntsville prison as if you look at his trail - he avoids this area. If they have reason to say that this is not a new release - then why not explain why? Besides, how about a not newly released? Obviously if he was a prisoner at one time he has been out over a year now.

Missizzy
03-11-2010, 12:16 PM
I spoke at length last night with my mom's best friend who still lives alone in Liberty Hill. She's an active church goer, involved at the community center, still drives to Georgetown and Austin, and lives alone in a very nice brick home. She's 85 and terrified. She's got a computer and a cell phone and an alarm system but she swears that no one will tell anybody anything. She told me that all she learns is "through the grapevine" and that there's lots of ugly (probably untrue) rumors. I couldn't bear to tell her about WS because I think it would scare her more and I know she doesn't want to see all I write about child rape, etc.

My point is, here's our target victim and she knows nothing. I agree with NJ that more has to be done. Someone is going to get killed and I'm very worried that it's not going to be the rapist. I always have to remind myself that one woman had a stroke.

To address NJ's questions:

1) Because the house rendering would cover about 1/3 of the houses in small town TX
2) We DO need to have more TV and radio coverage/go to your target audience
3) A physical profile is not possible as his description is so vague. As far as a criminal profile, that's a good question. How many women have to be attacked before they do this?

I still think that there's many many more victims out there who have not come forward. This guy is having a lot of success in entering women's homes and fooling around. He's also stealing and then topping it off with a rape/assault and a possible re-visit. He's getting off on quite a progression of acts. If we could profile his target victim, I think that would tell us a lot about him.

Do men who rape elders go after a particular shape, size, skin color? Are they honestly acting out some childhood fantasy ie lashing out at a cruel foster or adoptive grandmother (being that he's dark-skinned and they seem white). Could he be bi-racial and have been treated cruelly by his white bio-grandmother. If he's in his 20's and the victims are 65-91, that would mean that he was born in the mid 80s when the grandmother would have been middle aged and up.

Maybe he was even conceived by rape and has anger about that and was treated badly by his family. To me, it seems like he's settling a score. He's taking things, he's terrorizing, he's forcing women into a vulnerable position. He's taking the upper hand, taunting. Is this what some rapists do? Turn the tables?

I have a feeling that possibly this man didn't get the opportunity to actually "pay back" the woman who hurt him so he's picking victims similar to her. Maybe he didn't have the courage to hurt her as he was still under her thumb. I'll bet, though, that he was stealing things and unsettling her by entering her house. Maybe her most precious thing was her clock or that darned deer head as a "real man" bagged that.

Once she died and I do believe she's gone, he played out his little game on others. I imagine that he started small. Following and stalking prey and then entering their homes. Then came the thefts and then the rapes. We'll probably never know when he started this. We need to look back several years to see if there have been other rapes of elders in Texas. I think he actually started escalating and will keep it up.

It's a distinct possibility that he's also the rapist in Mississippi. That could certainly figure in if he's military. We're so focused on Yoakum as three attacks (and presumably the first) happened there. But we can't be sure. That could have been the 10th.

If he's actually in his mid 20's, I can see him starting this behavior somewhere around 15. He could have been striking out at either the real grandmother or a teacher at that time. Are there any reports of odd crimes being committed in Texas against elder ladies in the last 10 years, not involving rape?

I can't get past the Ninja/disguise/clandestine thing. He's really really getting off on this. I'm starting to thing that there's only two possibilities. He's either totally blending in with the fabric of the neighborhood, delivering the paper, meds, home health stuff. Or he's dressed all in black, hiding in ditches, watching from the cemetery, etc.

Is there a film which had elder rape as a theme? It almost seems to me that he's following a script.

concerndgdaughter
03-11-2010, 12:30 PM
One thing that I keep thinking about is that what makes this tough is that he could be coming into other women's homes without them knowing it planning for more crimes. My grandmother thought when things disappeared or moved that she was sleepwalking. Maybe there are others who think they are "losing it" when they really aren't, but have felt uncomfortable with saying anything to their families or friends. It is not like you can put an APB out saying, "Elderly ladies of Texas if your glasses aren't where you left them last night, call police." It is unfortunate but I think he takes advantage of that. They think it is their mind playing tricks on them until he strikes. I hate playing the waiting game....

Missizzy
03-11-2010, 12:34 PM
Concernd validates that this little town shuts down. I wonder if there's lots of elders in the area of this attack. That might mean that lights go off and people stay inside. Brick houses are well insulated and quiet, remember, far more than a frame house. The earlier attack mentioned in the article you posted TM surprised me as I'd remembered only 4-6 am rapes. The whole thing with the ladies getting up for early mass or service.

If he's known to rummage around houses, I wonder if he's arriving in these ladies houses much earlier than we imagine, stealing, getting into stuff? Possibly, the one woman heard him earlier than the others did and confronted him. I think he rummages and steals first and then rapes. I think he has a set plan. This woman "messed " it up for him. Many of the victims have mentioned things moved, lights broken, noises. What if he's in these victims' houses far more often and longer than we've thought? Gross, but I wonder if he's masturbating in areas of the home before he even confronts the woman at a later time?

Texas Mist
03-11-2010, 12:45 PM
Interesting reading from the UK - which I think is relevant because IME, men (including LEOs) - to a great degree - are much the same worldwide...the article also references some older US studies.


ON the face of it, the rape of the elderly should have merited more attention because it is a particularly violent crime. Between 60 and 70 per cent of all reported rapes are acquaintance rape, where the attacker is known to the victim. But the rapes of elderly women usually follow a scenario where a young man forcibly enters the woman's home, threatens or carries out physical violence, steals money or jewellery and leaves her where she may not be found for hours, or even days if she lives alone. For the victim, the physical assault can be especially devastating. Many women now in their seventies and eighties are likely to have had only one sexual partner throughout their lives, and those who are widowed may not have had any sexual contact for many years. (For women past the menopause, penetrative sex, even when desired, is often painful.) All in all, rape for an elderly woman should be particularly traumatic and therefore worthy of specialised attention.

So why isn't it? Several years ago, Ginny Jenkins, director of Action on Elder Abuse (an independent organisation set up to monitor abuse of the elderly), worked in a day hospital where five elderly women reported having been raped over the course of one winter in their homes. She believes that the lack of interest in this crime reflects society's attitudes to old people and sex. 'We can't cope with old people having sex, so we can't cope with abusive sex,' she says. 'But the woman's own embarrassment also makes it greatly under-reported. If you can't tell your daughter that you're sleeping with your husband, how can you say that you've been raped?'

The police point out that when rape is reported, elderly women make bad witnesses. 'It's very difficult to converse with an 88-year-old woman who has been raped three times,' says Chief Inspector John Dunn, who investigated the Manchester case. Poor eyesight may make identification difficult and there is a tendency for anyone under the age of 40 to be described as 'young'.
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Why does it happen? 'The issues are the same, whether it's abuse in the home or rape by a stranger,' Holt argues. 'It's about wielding power, leaving the victim totally shocked and humiliated and not willing to give evidence because they are confused and the evidence is unreliable. An American study says that sex offenders can move from children to old people. If their source of victim is denied, they find another.'

The real shame is not the kind that elderly women feel who have been raped, but our ignorance of the subject. A study of sexual assaults on elderly women would throw light on the nature of rape itself, perhaps finally removing any lingering doubt that rape is about power rather than sex. Child sexual abuse, sexual abuse of frail, elderly women, is there so much difference? At the beginning and at the end of life, the weakest, the least likely to be believed, are the rapist's most vulnerable victims.



http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/why-do-young-men-rape-elderly-women-and-why-does-nobody-care-a-special-report-by-linda-grant-on-a-shocking-crime-which-it-seems-we-all-prefer-to-ignore-1408839.html

Keep in mind that Gov. Perry's BFD announcement of the Task Force was made 3 months before the primary elections here (and he was announced winner, BTW).....IMO, he should have specifically mandated that LE keep this story alive & get info to the public that would be helpful in generating leads!!

The Task Force should have a profile by now...surely there's something they can release w/o harming the investigation!!

Just like clarifying the age of this creep..."Young" is relative so they need to say that.

concerndgdaughter
03-11-2010, 12:46 PM
I know that they got a lot of prints off the house- hopefully some are his, but I do know that he didn't have gloves on when he attacked her because when he hit her across the face he did so with bare hands she said. I would hate to think he masturbates in the house before hand but in some ways it would be good because maybe it gave the FBI more evidence to go on.

Missizzy
03-11-2010, 12:51 PM
Concernd--I'm so sorry for this pain. I know, we all know, how horrid this must be. ITA, I don't think elder ladies would tell a relative if these things were happening as that might mean the beginning of the end of living alone. You have to wonder how many ladies have gone into nursing homes since this happened because their families can't deal with the worry.

A point my husband brought up is that the rapes seem to correlate with the economy bust. There've been lots of foreclosures during this timeframe. I wonder if this man could be some sort of appraiser (with a truck or car with signage)? I realize that many of these women probably own their own homes but what about foreclosures close by? Surely, there must be some. Appraisers often walk in back yards and peer in windows.

A good friend of mine is a probation officer and he's following this case through me. He told me that PO's frequently (well at least everywhere but Contra Costa County) peer into windows and go up on porches and try doors. He said that if he notices a neighbor watching, he'll go over and identify himself and hand them a card, and talk them up about the neighbor. The issue with him is that he's 6'5" and looks like LE. He looks as if he has a "right" to go up to a house.

My point is that we can't forget that this guy's got to do several things all at one time--find the victims, stalk them, break and enter, stay under the radar of neighbors and LE who are on heightened alert, and get away.

IMO, he can't be stupid or that lucky. He's got to be driven and smart.

Have we thought about mechanics at car repair shops or dealers? Do we know what kinds of cars these ladies drive? IME, in Texas, the more well off elder ladies either drive Lincoln Town cars or Cadillacs. That might be a tip off as to who might have some money stashed. A mechanic would surely know where a lady lived. He might stay in the background and just watch. If he works on the car, there's the possibility that there's paperwork in the car--grocery bags, receipts, prescriptions, church bulletins, etc. I wonder if there's been any frequent hirings and firings in Central Texas repair shops?

concerndgdaughter
03-11-2010, 01:10 PM
Could he have anyone helping him?

Texas Mist
03-11-2010, 01:35 PM
Texas Mist--Did you see that comment that Samuel Henderson, the Houston serial rapist, has charges dating back 20 years?? The article also says that he would leave his wife and daughters at night and go out stalking victims. Yikes, that's chilling. I can't find what his employment was. Being that he wore scrubs in one attack and seemed to target med students, is there a connection with a hospital or med school?

I've been trying to find out what his employment was also...I started reading the reader comments to the article here -- http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/crime_tracker&id=7318650 -- and :eek:........FWIW, "friends" are saying he's a "good guy", got a family, is a hard worker, giving & helpful, & he was conceived by his mom's rape.

Yowza.

Who knows...one person's "good guy" is another person's "creepy, skeevy guy"....at any rate, I'm sure we can recall other serial rapist/killers referred to as "good guys".

I have to wonder if the CenTex rapist would give bad vibes to people, or if he's getting by on being the "nice guy who never really says too much".

Missizzy
03-11-2010, 01:37 PM
This is kind of out there but I wonder if elder women are good candidates for hypnosis. I know some religious ladies wouldn't go for it but I would think that a lot could be gleaned by the subconscious memory. Before you came on board, Concernd, we talked a lot about physical description. You just said that the man hit your grandmother, without gloves.

Did he have a scent? We've talked about this before but women are especially attuned to scent. If they've been with the same partner for decades, they recognize another man's scent. And men of color often use different hair care and skin care products than white guys. I would think that the rapist would be giving off strong pheromones and be sweating due to escalation and excitement. I've said before that I can tell which of my boys is coming up the stairs by their scent (5 are black and 4 are white). Even my Asian daughters have a very different natural scent than my black or my white daughter. When someone is in a traumatic situation, like an attack, scent is often heightened.

Also, his skin. Was it rough (like a working man's) or smooth? Slender, slight hands or large, beefy ones? Several women have commented that he didn't have an "accent". We haven't been sure if that meant actual accent or use of dialect. He's also been called soft-spoken.

I would think that a good therapist or interviewer could get a lot of this info from your grandma. She might be blocking some of it right now but it sure would be helpful.

A_News_Junkie
03-11-2010, 01:45 PM
One thing that I keep thinking about is that what makes this tough is that he could be coming into other women's homes without them knowing it planning for more crimes. My grandmother thought when things disappeared or moved that she was sleepwalking. Maybe there are others who think they are "losing it" when they really aren't, but have felt uncomfortable with saying anything to their families or friends. It is not like you can put an APB out saying, "Elderly ladies of Texas if your glasses aren't where you left them last night, call police." It is unfortunate but I think he takes advantage of that. They think it is their mind playing tricks on them until he strikes. I hate playing the waiting game....

Also, seniors are afraid to tell family of "forgetting", "moving things and not remembering it" etc for fear that the family will see them as having dementia or needing to be placed before they forget something on the stove and burn the house and themselves down. This fear of losing their freedom is strong and a motivator not to tell anyone these things. :-((

Missizzy
03-11-2010, 01:50 PM
Conceived by rape? Why does that ring a bell on other serial rapists? No mention of why the scrubs?

My guess would be the TSR is a "nice" guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the military or a student. I think this thing is totally hidden, just like the Houston guy. Can you imagine finding out you'd been sleeping next to a monster? My Lord, I'd never get out of the shower. I'd have to put myself through the carwash.

Concernd--Someone helping him? Hmmmm. My gut sense is not as this is very private. No victim has reported anyone else being present or the discussion that there might be someone. IMO, if he actually had someone helping him, it would have to be a woman, who also fell under his control. For some reason, I think if that were true, there'd be more memory triggers for people. You know, a home health nurse in the home recently, etc. I really think he's a lone wolf working out past "issues". He might have started out robbing elder ladies with a partner and then decided to branch off on his own as he wanted to rape. That's a possibility.

Your grandma had a caregiver/housekeeper. Has that angle been looked at? I don't remember any women reporting anyone new in their life that was either male or female. There was some discussion a while back that the rapist might be cross-dressing. I've wondered if he tries on women's clothes while they are asleep or masturbates in them or steals them. If he's not too large, I would think a lot of guys could cross dress and not concern the neighbors as much as a strange guy would.

FWIW, the guy I keep watching on MS, has lots of photos of a friend who is cross-dressed--probably for Halloween. I just find it interesting that those pics outnumber all the regular type photos on the page. Several are posed in what looks to be a high school or college math classroom. I'll check them out again.

Missizzy
03-11-2010, 01:58 PM
I cannot agree more heartily, NJ. As a disabled person, I walk that line. I want to be safe but I hate people fussing over me. I fall a lot and always have a black eye or bruised knees. If no one if here, I rarely tell, as I know that will just increase worry. I have a strict "contract" with my husband to not go down the stairs as I've fallen down the stairs or had seizures outside. But I've broken that contract a few times (like when I really wanted a certain book).

Families naturally really worry about disabled or elderly members and those family members worry right back. They don't like to cause concern so they fail to mention things. Have you ever asked an elder relative where they got a bruise and they brush you off? They don't want you to worry as they love you. I have to tell you that these rapes have changed my way of thinking about some things. If something seems off, I ask about it.

I KNOW in my heart that there are more victims. Possibly he's not wanting to rape them all but I do think he's watching women when they sleep and getting into their stuff. Has anyone seen mention of personal items or food being gotten into?

A_News_Junkie
03-11-2010, 02:23 PM
SNIP
I KNOW in my heart that there are more victims. Possibly he's not wanting to rape them all but I do think he's watching women when they sleep and getting into their stuff. Has anyone seen mention of personal items or food being gotten into?

I think there are possibly many that have not been reported due to the victim feeling ashamed. This age group doesn't talk about sex freely and possibly many of them have only had sex under a marriage. They are widows who probably haven't had sex in a long time. Post menopause this can be extremely painful for a women and add cruelness to the crime. I can see many of these ladies being afraid, embarrassed or ashamed (not that they should be!) to tell anyone, let alone a police officer who is most likely to be a stranger and male.

Missizzy
03-11-2010, 04:02 PM
I would hope that a rape crisis team would converge on the hospital where each victim was taken. They can be dispatched from any of the larger towns or any city in Texas. I'm sure that Killeen, Belton, Temple and Waco all have fine teams. They are trained to stay with the victims and to ease them through the process.

While elder rape is not as common as rape of younger women, the crisis teams are still trained in working with the victims. I would assume that each woman is assigned a Victim's Advocate (she better be!!) who can handle things that can overwhelm the victim or the family (no matter the victim's age). I've always wondered if a Victims Advocacy group was actually the "LE" who helped move the one victim who got attacked a second time. There's another angle to look at I guess, as sick as it makes me. We know the Organized Rapist often likes to check back with his victim. I hope to high heck the rapist isn't involved in any sort of medical response team--a volunteer who moves around the Central Texas area helping with rape victims. Yikes.

Concernd--Even though your Grandma lives in a little town, I would really push for this. The Victim's Advocate can be a lifesaver. If I'm not mistaken it's one of a victim's rights in Texas. Let's just hope it's a person who's been known in Moody for a long time. Almost certainly it would be a female.

Starry Night
03-11-2010, 10:11 PM
Just checking in...also to say that I have me some great nuns in Alabama that I e-mail for intercessional prayer and they are prayerfully 'on the case' as of last night.....hoping for a break really soon now.
Oh, and we have Union Pacific Railroad workers all over South Austin right now fixing tracks-been going on for a couple of weeks now. When I see them I go 'hmmmm'....ya never know.

justthinkin
03-11-2010, 10:19 PM
Could he have anyone helping him?

concernd, of all crimes, rapists are the ones who work alone. Now, I do wonder about the height discrepancy, and the distances this guy has covered, but everything I've read tells me rapists work alone.

justthinkin
03-11-2010, 10:40 PM
Conceived by rape? Why does that ring a bell on other serial rapists? No mention of why the scrubs?

My guess would be the TSR is a "nice" guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the military or a student. I think this thing is totally hidden, just like the Houston guy. Can you imagine finding out you'd been sleeping next to a monster? My Lord, I'd never get out of the shower. I'd have to put myself through the carwash.

Concernd--Someone helping him? Hmmmm. My gut sense is not as this is very private. No victim has reported anyone else being present or the discussion that there might be someone. IMO, if he actually had someone helping him, it would have to be a woman, who also fell under his control. For some reason, I think if that were true, there'd be more memory triggers for people. You know, a home health nurse in the home recently, etc. I really think he's a lone wolf working out past "issues". He might have started out robbing elder ladies with a partner and then decided to branch off on his own as he wanted to rape. That's a possibility.

Your grandma had a caregiver/housekeeper. Has that angle been looked at? I don't remember any women reporting anyone new in their life that was either male or female. There was some discussion a while back that the rapist might be cross-dressing. I've wondered if he tries on women's clothes while they are asleep or masturbates in them or steals them. If he's not too large, I would think a lot of guys could cross dress and not concern the neighbors as much as a strange guy would.

FWIW, the guy I keep watching on MS, has lots of photos of a friend who is cross-dressed--probably for Halloween. I just find it interesting that those pics outnumber all the regular type photos on the page. Several are posed in what looks to be a high school or college math classroom. I'll check them out again.

Oh, you got me to laughing, and this is no laughing matter, but the thought of a cross dresser in a small Texas town....he'd be the latest in gossip, and it would be all over town in 20 mins. That's what made me laugh.

I don't know about some Texas towns, but I do know about some others, and if you even move to some of them, you will be considered an outsider no matter whether you've lived there 10 years or 30. That's just how some of these towns are. And working for a mechanic's shop...well, they're not going to even hire you unless 1. you're either a relative or 2. they've known you and your family forever. 3. you go to the same church 4. you're at all the football games on Friday evening. Nepotism and cronyism are big in small town Texas.

justthinkin
03-11-2010, 10:48 PM
I would hope that a rape crisis team would converge on the hospital where each victim was taken. They can be dispatched from any of the larger towns or any city in Texas. I'm sure that Killeen, Belton, Temple and Waco all have fine teams. They are trained to stay with the victims and to ease them through the process.

While elder rape is not as common as rape of younger women, the crisis teams are still trained in working with the victims. I would assume that each woman is assigned a Victim's Advocate (she better be!!) who can handle things that can overwhelm the victim or the family (no matter the victim's age). I've always wondered if a Victims Advocacy group was actually the "LE" who helped move the one victim who got attacked a second time. There's another angle to look at I guess, as sick as it makes me. We know the Organized Rapist often likes to check back with his victim. I hope to high heck the rapist isn't involved in any sort of medical response team--a volunteer who moves around the Central Texas area helping with rape victims. Yikes.

Concernd--Even though your Grandma lives in a little town, I would really push for this. The Victim's Advocate can be a lifesaver. If I'm not mistaken it's one of a victim's rights in Texas. Let's just hope it's a person who's been known in Moody for a long time. Almost certainly it would be a female.

Missizzy, I know you mean well, but it would only be the larger cities that would have a victim's advocate. The truth is, we just don't think of rapes happening in our small towns. It doesn't happen, that's part of the reason why this has caught everyone off guard, and the LEOs in the small towns don't really like any other agency meddling in their work. Not a good attitude to take, but that's the way it goes. Heck, the realtors in these small towns still don't wholly subscribe to the idea of MLS where everyone shares the listings essentially, and can sell the property.

Most everything is handled "the good ole boy" way down here.

concerndgdaughter
03-11-2010, 10:51 PM
I have to agree with justhinkin that the cross-dressing thing would stick out like a sore thumb. I am more willing to go with the all in black ninja thing- I just really think this all happens at night- the stalking. My grandma stays at home a lot during the week during the day and has tons of friends who come by. It would be hard to get too close during the day without arousing suspicions.

Missizzy
03-11-2010, 10:57 PM
justthinkin--You are talking to the world's expert in fitting in (or not) in tiny Central Texas towns. My husband and I moved (at age 17) from Huntington Beach, California to Liberty Hill, Texas (pop. 450 at the time). We think that the reason we are still married, 37 years later, is that we had to cleave together to make it through.

I had no idea people shot deer. Or drank so much beer. I had no idea that the Baptist church ladies would take issue with me nursing my baby in the church nursery. I had no idea that every single person knew your business before you did. Or that every summer would bring 60 straight days of over 100 degree days. I also had no idea that I would fall in love with Texas songwriters and learn to appreciate the special brand of Texas friendliness I experienced. We made it through 14 years and finally hiked it out of there with five babies to the SF Bay Area.

But Texas will always be in my blood. My parents grew old there and my Daddy passed last year. My Mom is still in Central Texas and that's why I have such a driving interest in finding this horrible monster. I know these ladies. I lived among them for my formative adult years and I worry about them terribly.

You think you're laughing. I'm bedbound now so I don't get out. Before I go to sleep at night, I have to check out peopleofwalmart.com. Talk about cross-dressers. I live in the most liberal little town in the world but nobody beats those Texans for "what to wear to Wal-mart. My hats off to them!!

Missizzy
03-11-2010, 11:03 PM
Justthinkin--It's there. People just need to use it:

http://www.advocacycntr.org/Home.asp

An overview of Victims' Rights in Texas:

http://www.oag.state.tx.us/victims/victim_rights.shtml

BTW, these are mandated.

justthinkin
03-11-2010, 11:19 PM
Missizzy, I'm sorry to hear you are bed bound, and hope it isn't a permanent thing! Bless your heart.

What was I thinkin? I'd forgotten you lived here! Well even I, coming out of Dallas was surprised by my later move to a small German town. Whoa. When we moved there in the mid 80s my son started dating one of the girls whose family had lived in the town for ages and ages. On Thanksgiving, they were still running the meal where the men ate first, and the women ate after them. That blew me away it was so old fashioned.

That town also had during the 1990s an all white, public pool. They maintained that they could control who was allowed to swim there because the pool itself was on private property. Can you believe it? It was just so wrong. I can remember a black man coming to my door asking me to vote for him come election day. I just thought to myself, mister if they won't let you swim in their pool, they're sure not going to give you a public office. Of course I would've never said that to him, but he probably already knew it anyway. I don't live there anymore, and I am so glad. I do not like a small town at all except to visit. I don't know, maybe other non-German towns are different, but oh that town was really clanish.

I also was not aware that the victim advocates were mandated. I honestly don't think there was one in the town I lived in. Never read about anyone like that in the local paper, and my daughter worked for the sheriff's office. I'll ask her if we had one.

WholeLottaRosie
03-13-2010, 04:55 PM
Bumping for the ladies of Texas. I keep hoping to log on an see this one changed to POS Arrested. Or something like that.

A_News_Junkie
03-14-2010, 11:51 AM
Just checking in...also to say that I have me some great nuns in Alabama that I e-mail for intercessional prayer and they are prayerfully 'on the case' as of last night.....hoping for a break really soon now.
Oh, and we have Union Pacific Railroad workers all over South Austin right now fixing tracks-been going on for a couple of weeks now. When I see them I go 'hmmmm'....ya never know.

Are these temporary employees of UPR? Or is this an on going thing where they move from town to town? I know we had railroad tracks right by our last victim's house and I have speculated here if we just knew more we could see if there is any landmark type connection. IE: River, train tracks, airport etc.

Also,to those dismissing the idea..... some of those cross dressers are pretty darn good -- so I am just saying, keep an open mind. It has happened before (I think I posted a link here somewhere on a famous one.)

A_News_Junkie
03-14-2010, 12:15 PM
I just emailed the author of that last story that said Moody police have several POI's. I will let you know if I hear back from him!

Ruflossn
03-15-2010, 07:11 PM
Just wanted to bump this case.
I can not believe the DNA results have not been released from the Moody assault.
The results have to be back. Ugh.

Starry Night
03-15-2010, 07:17 PM
If you Google: "union pacific railroad yoakum tx"......there is a RR company there...

Starry Night
03-15-2010, 07:28 PM
Well my computer is so slow but I was looking up the history of Moody Texas and it has a LOTof RR and Train Company history behind it.

Missizzy
03-18-2010, 03:05 AM
You know I keep thinking about the Coffee Shop Cafe in Moody. I've done some research and I think I've found a comment that our last victim is a regular there. I started reading about the Coffee Cup (George W ate there) and a Texas Monthly article came up. You have to sign in to read it but it's quick and free. Just reading it made my mouth water. It's a run down on the 40 best cafes in Texas. Oh, how I miss me some pecan pie!! Play close attention to the locations of the cafes:

http://www.texasmonthly.com/2008-12-01/feature2.php

What does everyone make of this?

concerndgdaughter
03-18-2010, 10:44 AM
Wow- do think it is no accident that he is picking the cities off the list one by one?

concerndgdaughter
03-18-2010, 10:45 AM
What if he just hangs out at the local restaurants in these towns, eats there on occasion and decides who his next victim is?

Missizzy
03-18-2010, 12:08 PM
Also notice that the article ran in December 2008 and the rapes (which are reported started in January 2009). The timing is perfect. We need to keep in mind that even though several known towns show up, including Yoakum, there might be others very close by to victims. Can the Texas posters look closely at this? There's also a list of 19 runners-up.

I think our guy could take bussing or dishwashing jobs-probably not cooking. He could just be very very observant. Nobody pays attention to a busser cleaning the table behind them. He'd also (sadly to me) not stand out in that position in an all white town. This job has always had a very high turnover rate. Unless someone's got a dynamic personality, it's often kind of a "faceless" job.

And remember one restaurant could bring in more than one victim. A dark-skinned man on his way to a dishwashing job at a Texas cafe could very well not stand out on the streets, especially if he was wearing a T-shirt for that cafe. To have breakfast ready, I'd think he'd need to be there quite early...5-6 am. Most dishwashers help with some prep.

Missizzy
03-18-2010, 12:14 PM
See the list of "tasters" at the top of the article. Here's a unsettling thought, but what if he's in that group? Being that they're out there tasting they wouldn't be identifying themselves as working for the magazine but they would have some sort of ID if they were stopped and a very good excuse to be in a town that was not there own. A local LEO would probably think it a fun thing to stop and talk to a guy who told this story. Talk about moving around with impunity.

Missizzy
03-18-2010, 12:17 PM
http://www.texasmonthly.com/2008-12-01/feature6.php

The nineteen runners-up.

concerndgdaughter
03-18-2010, 12:31 PM
Missizzy- could you post the list of all of the towns that have been targeted so I can go back to the Texas Monthly article and compare? I know you have been on this for awhile it may take longer for me to look up. Thanks!

Missizzy
03-18-2010, 02:29 PM
You know I don't have a list at the ready. I think TM or IWannaKnow posted one. This article (although not new) has the best run down I've found. I'll keep looking. I also posted a long thread linking to church services and looking at days of the week. It's a ways back but I'll find the post #s and let you know.

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/68827522.html

concerndgdaughter
03-18-2010, 02:41 PM
Thanks Missizzy!

Missizzy
03-18-2010, 02:54 PM
Go back to Post#441. I was on a rip that day and spent hours tracking down little details. There's a lot of info about locations. Remember, though, that I was primarily looking for links to Catholic Churches as so many women had been described as preparing for church. When I looked back at the days of the week (mostly weekdays), the only thing I could come up with was the Catholic Church which has early Mass. No other church I could find, had such early services or meetings. I also found newsletters from the churches which listed their Mass times.

Since the rapist commented to one, possibly two, victims that he knew exactly when their son would be by, I made the assumption that the son was picking them up for a Mass. You know, maybe picking Mom up on his way to work and dropping her at the church and someone else would take her home. These masses started around 6-6:30 am and the rapes were said to occur in the "twilight hours" of 4-6 am. I imagined the rapist surprising them right before they got up. In fact he surprised one woman as she got out of the shower. Anyway, there should be some locations and other info on that post and the ones by me the same day.

Someone else, IWannaKnow maybe, tracked something to do with cable hook-ups or wireless internet.

We need to keep in mind, though, that women could go to the next little town over to a cafe. So, they just need to be close. My parents lived in Liberty Hill (and even ran a restaurant there for a decade) but as they grew older, they always went to Georgetown (15 miles away) for lunch. I would say that that's a pretty appropriate travel distance to consider. I doubt it would be farther for a regular. JMO

Can I ask how far your grandmother lives/lived from the Coffee Shop Cafe?

Missizzy
03-18-2010, 02:56 PM
I guess there's also the possibility that he's a traveler--sales, cable, delivery, etc. and just knows where the good cafes are. Anything can be a coincidence but this really struck me as a possibility. There's nothing, absolutely nothing, that you couldn't learn about people from the small town cafe.

Texas Mist
03-18-2010, 03:09 PM
The central/south-central cafes listed in the TX monthly article are in Yoakum, Hico, Goldthwaite & Hutto, IIRC.

IWannaKnow
03-18-2010, 03:38 PM
I cut this from one of TMs posts in the first thread:

The first attack was on Jan. 23 (2009) in Yoakum where a 66-year-old woman was raped and robbed of $12,000.

In Central Texas, a woman was raped in July in Leon County.

In August, a woman in her early 90s was attacked and robbed in rural Bell County.

Another attack was reported on Sept. 5 in Leon County.

On Sept. 11, a 90-year-old woman was raped in Bell County.

The next day, a woman in Leon County reported that burglar bars had been removed from her home.

On Oct. 10, an elderly woman was attacked in her home just outside of Marlin in Falls County.

Two weeks later, an elderly woman in Leon County heard an intruder in her home, grabbed a gun and scared off the would-be attacker.

Another attack was reported on Nov. 9 in Yoakum.

The latest incident happened involved a break-in and attempted sexual assault on Nov. 24 in Luling.

And this is sort of a map:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii179/scrltmas/20091213rapist_graphic.jpg

I am currently working on a theory and would like any actual addresses of victims anyone has. Even if it is just the block. Anything would help. If you would PM them to me I would really appreciate it. TIA!

Missizzy
03-18-2010, 08:30 PM
A little pro-activity:

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/87906632.html

"The police chief in Lott is taking a proactive stance when it comes to elderly victims of the so-called Twilight Rapist.

Lott Police Chief Michael Hamilton has organized a seminar set for this Saturday to help educate elderly members of the community about how to avoid becoming victims of crime. The seminar is at 1 p.m. Saturday at Rosebud-Lott High School and anyone is invited and encouraged to attend, Hamilton said.

Jim Baylor, a criminologist from Rice University, will present the program...."

more at link

and

http://www.tdtnews.com/story/2010/3/18/64863

"The latest attack occurred in the early hours of March 2, 2010, in the home of an 80-year-old Moody woman. The assailant forced entry into the home, according to Tom Vinger, spokesman for the Texas Department of Public Safety...."

more at link


The second article is about the same subject, an upcoming seminar, but notice that there's the assumption that the most recent attack is connected. We haven't had confirmation on that. Only the first article makes that clear. It's been 20 days since the attack. It took 16 days for the confirmation that the Lubbock rape was not connected. I'm anxious to hear. I'd also like to know why it took 12 rapes to bring about this sort of education.

Starry Night
03-18-2010, 09:19 PM
You know? I like that 'cafe' angle....does he eat or work there....what if he is some sort of delivery person and has a 'route' of some sort to deliver to various cafes in small towns....Miss-you amaze me. If we could find a commonality of various cafe's and locations and what they may be ordering.....This is one crazy case! The cops aren't giving up much....I am rather stunned they are bringing in a criminologist to talk to the citizens. That sounds rather ominous to me. I am sounding rather dramatic here but really!. I am going to send the nuns a reminder note.

justthinkin
03-19-2010, 09:21 AM
Missizzy,

I'm sorry, but I don't see a cafe connection from the article in Texas Monthly, which is not to say the rapist isn't visiting local cafes, but that the article seems to have no bearing on this case.

Methinks the guy must be currently under surveillance because he has not struck again. Oh, I do hope the LEOs have got his number!

Ruflossn
03-19-2010, 11:59 AM
Missizzy,

I'm sorry, but I don't see a cafe connection from the article in Texas Monthly, which is not to say the rapist isn't visiting local cafes, but that the article seems to have no bearing on this case.

Methinks the guy must be currently under surveillance because he has not struck again. Oh, I do hope the LEOs have got his number!

Hi Guys ~
Has it been confirmed that concerndgdaughter's Grandmother was not a victim of the TR? I have not read about a DNA connection or lack thereof. I have a tendency to believe the DNA did match the TR's. Reason being - LE was quick to eliminate one of the victims from the potential list of TR's victims when the DNA did not match. Maybe LE is with holding the DNA results because they did match TR's and they do not want to give him anymore ego stroking? And maybe they are close to a break in the case and do not want to take a chance of spooking him?

Flossie

Texas Mist
03-19-2010, 12:53 PM
Hi Guys ~
Has it been confirmed that concerndgdaughter's Grandmother was not a victim of the TR? I have not read about a DNA connection or lack thereof. I have a tendency to believe the DNA did match the TR's. Reason being - LE was quick to eliminate one of the victims from the potential list of TR's victims when the DNA did not match. Maybe LE is with holding the DNA results because they did match TR's and they do not want to give him anymore ego stroking? And maybe they are close to a break in the case and do not want to take a chance of spooking him?

Flossie

I haven't found anything regarding release of the DNA tests from the Moody attack. ugh.

I understand LE wanting to catch this creep, but if they aren't gonna release any info at this time on the Moody crime, IMO they need to keep getting the word out that this monster is on the loose!! He could be planning his next attack at this very second -- in any small TX town!!

I can find more info on the Waldo rapist than the TR!!

A_News_Junkie
03-20-2010, 10:33 PM
http://www.kxxv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12176865

Now, excuse me while I rant............. Nice photo - lets just show their faces so he can shop and print another seniors name too............grrrrrrr*(%&#* ..............or............... IF I choose to hope that what they did by advertising this was to set up a sting for the perp to maybe show up or in the parking lot, or be in the seniors homes (his visit before) .....AND IF..... they do have a person(s) of interest ..............then my hope is they had surveillance on them.

Darned if you do and darned if you don't. It just dawned on me when I read this update and saw the photo that in a way, attending could have put the ladies at risk. I get soooooo:furious: that they keep giving names and this pic hit a nerve with me.
I will go to sleep and hope it was a sting and they have someone under surveillance and arrested his butt! (No tooth fairy or Santa comments! A girl can have hope still, right?)

txsvicki
03-20-2010, 11:12 PM
I hope he doesn't strike again in the next couple of weeks or hasn't already struck in another state that we haven't heard about yet. Many people take trips during Spring Break whether they're a student or not. He could be in another state or area of Texas the past couple of weeks.

IWannaKnow
03-22-2010, 01:55 PM
This is old, but I missed it. Maybe someone else already posted? More detail than I've seen elsewhere.....

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/68827522.html

Investigators Need Public's Help to Catch Serial Rapist
Posted: 12:30 AM Nov 3, 2009
Reporter: Ashlea Sigman
Email Address: Sigman@kbtx.com

DNA has linked a serial rapist to attack in Marquez, Yoakum and Bell County, and authorities believe the same man is responsible for all nine instances. The problem is, they don't know who he is.

Missizzy
03-22-2010, 04:00 PM
IWannaKnow--I think we read it early on but it's really good to read these things again...especially when they haven't been modified. I think this is where we got the info about the surgical gloves. Remember, I did all that research concerning the Lubbock guy's gloves and possible glass handler's gloves? This is also the article which names some towns, like Seaton, rather than just a county.

I had forgotten (see, why this is so good to look again?) about the woman who had $400 stolen from her purse in August and then raped in October.

I remember really liking the idea of keeping your keychain under your pillow to set off your car alarm. So simple but probably very wise.

Why, oh why, can't the major Texas news networks or the Task Force (what an idea!!) put together a simple to use, helpful timeline with details--not simply scrambled facts in a narrative format? Wouldn't that go a long long way to possibly jogging someone's memory of a strange event or even alert an adult child of something odd about an elder relative at the time? Why?

Missizzy
03-22-2010, 04:02 PM
Does Governor Perry have a living mother, mother-in-law, or beloved aunt? I think Texans need to rise up and light a fire under his bunnies to pump some energy and funds into the task force. I realize that he won the primary but he's still got an election to win.

IWannaKnow
03-23-2010, 10:22 AM
This is a timeline I've worked up. It is in a word doc. so I can cut and paste. Please let me know if I've left any out or any incorrect information that you know of. TIA - IWK.

In every case the victims were older white women who lived alone in rural areas. They were all attacked in the middle of the night while they were sleeping (one was attacked while bathing). In every case, investigators said the man broke into each home weeks prior to the attack, and often cut the phone line. Authorities said the man disabled the phone line again on the night of the attacks, which were all between the hours of 2 a.m. and 5 a.m. The man entered through a window each time, and in some cases removed a pane or in one case, removed the entire window. Authorities said they believe the man wears surgical gloves during the attacks. They say he has taken several clocks as trophies.

Jan 23, 2009 (Friday) – Yoakum (DeWitt County Line) – 66 y.o., robbed of $12,000.00. Last Quarter 1/18/09

Feb. 27, 2009 (Friday) – Yoakum – 79 y.o., attempted sexual assault New Moon 2/25/09

July 20, 2009 (Monday) – Marquez - “elderly”, attacked. New Moon 7/22/09

Aug 14, 2009 (Friday) – Zabcikville – early 90’s, sexually assaulted and robbed. Last Quarter 8/13/09

Aug 2009 – Marlin - victim of Oct 12, 2009 home broken into, $400 stolen from purse ?

Beginning of Sept 09 – Seaton - 90 y o, attacked ?

Sept 5, 2009 (Saturday) – Marquez - older woman, attacked and some money was also taken. Owner of Japanese clock Full Moon 9/4/09
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii179/scrltmas/pr010410clock3.gif

Sept 12, 2009 (Saturday) – Marqez - A woman's burglar bars had been removed from a window. (Isn’t this one lady who was previously attacked? Said the clock was resting against the wall?) Last Quarter 9/12/09

Oct 12, 2009 (Monday - Columbus Day Holiday) – Marlin - “elderly resident”, Raped. Falls County Sheriff Ben Kirk said the woman's home had been broken into in August, and $400 was stolen from her purse. Kirk said he believed the same person committed both crimes. Last Quarter 10/11/09

Oct 24, 2009 (Saturday) – Centerville - 88 y o, woman was able to scare her attacker off with a gun. New Moon 10/18/09

Nov. 9, 2009 (Monday before Veterans Day on 11th) – Yoakum - 66 y.o. victim from Jan 23 attacked again in new location where she was moved by L.E. Last Quarter 11/9/09

Nov. 24, 2009 (Tuesday before Thanksgiving on 26th) – Luling – Jennings Retirement Village, 79 y.o., break-in and attempted sexual assault, the assailant chose an apartment beside a broken city streetlight and within yards of a church parking lot with access to a highway. The victim's next-door neighbor said her phone lines were cut the night of the attack. The victim, neighbors said, awoke with the attacker's hands over her nose and mouth around 4 a.m. She told neighbors that a night light in her bedroom was switched off. The attacker, holding a small flashlight, ransacked her apartment. After removing his clothes, he repeatedly told the victim he “wanted to make love to her,” neighbors said. She estimated he was in her home about 40 minutes. First Quarter 11/24/09

Feb 28, 2009 (Sunday) – Moody (?) – 80 y.o., burglary and an attack, not yet verified as TSR. Full Moon 2/28/10

I attempted to create a map with the attacks, but I can't load it here for some reason.

The big thing I realized after doing this timeline is that he is returning to these ladies houses to attack again fairly frequently. Marquez, Yoakum and Marlin were all hit at least twice....:furious:

ETA: Moon phase or closest turn in blue.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase

Phase Northern Hemisphere Southern Hemisphere Visibility
New moon - Not visible, traditionally Moon's first visible crescent after sunset
First quarter moon - Right 50% visible, Left 50% visible, afternoon and early night
Full moon - Fully visible sunset to sunrise (all night)
Last quarter moon - Left 50% visible, Right 50% visible, late night and morning
Dark moon - Not visible, traditionally Moon's last visible crescent before sunrise

LoveEndsWar
03-23-2010, 11:04 AM
I have heard of this sort of thing (serial rape of elderly women) going on in Southern VA. They had arrested someone but would not release a photo due to trying to link him to more cases. Sorry this is so vauge but I thought it odd that the same thing happening over there as well. Maybe this has been discussed, I didn't read the whole thread. I want to say I heard about this in Chesapeake VA Beach area.

Missizzy
03-23-2010, 11:48 AM
IWannaKnow--Have you billed the state of Texas? I think you should. Thank you so much for your hard work on this. It is really helpful. I've read it carefully and don't see anything left out. There are a couple where we've heard through reporting that the woman was preparing to go to church and one was exiting the shower. I'll see if I can find which. Also, which ones had the deer heads removed?

On another issue, we've been discussing for months how LE moved the first victim. Where is a link to that statement. Was it ever confirmed? I can't find it. One of the biggest problems with this case IMO is that the articles morph, modify, and disappear.

Great work. Everybody needs to look over it carefully and flesh out anything possible. How about days of the week? I already determined way upthread that all but possibly two would have had heaters or A/C running but how about full moons. Possible times of any?

Thanks so much for doing this!!

Missizzy
03-23-2010, 12:09 PM
Here's the days of the week and the days from the last full moon. We have to remember that we have no confirmation about the actual date of the rapes. These days could be a couple of days off. I'm not confirming the last one as I've heard conflicting dates up to 2 days either way. Without exception every single reported day was either hot enough at night or chilly enough at night to run an A/C or heater, especially for an elder person.



Jan. 23, 2009 Friday 12 days from last full moon
Feb. 27, 2009 Friday 18 days from last full moon
Jul 20, 2009 Monday 13 days from last full moon
Aug. 14, 2009 Friday 8 days from last full moon
Sept. 5, 2009 Saturday (Labor Day weekend) 1 day from last full moon
Sept 12, 2009 Saturday 8 days from last full moon
Oct. 24, 2009 Saturday 20 days from last full moon
Nov. 9, 2009 Monday (Veteran's Day) 7 days from last full moon
Nov. 24, 2009 Tuesday (two days before Thanksgiving 22 days from last full moon
Feb. 28, 2009 conflicting reports/let's wait for confirmation/full moon

Ruflossn
03-23-2010, 12:13 PM
IWannaKnow--Have you billed the state of Texas? I think you should. Thank you so much for your hard work on this. It is really helpful. I agree w/ Missizzy. Thank you for the hard work. Awesome job!I've read it carefully and don't see anything left out. There are a couple where we've heard through reporting that the woman was preparing to go to church and one was exiting the shower. I'll see if I can find which. Also, which ones had the deer heads removed?

On another issue, we've been discussing for months how LE moved the first victim. Where is a link to that statement. Was it ever confirmed? I can't find it. One of the biggest problems with this case IMO is that the articles morph, modify, and disappear.

Great work. Everybody needs to look over it carefully and flesh out anything possible. How about days of the week? I already determined way upthread that all but possibly two would have had heaters or A/C running but how about full moons. Possible times of any?

Thanks so much for doing this!!

Hi Guys ~
Here is the link about the woman being attacked twice.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34919841/

One victim attacked twice
The victims have all been women, ranging in age from 65 to 91. One rape victim played piano at her church on Sundays. An 81-year-old woman scared off an intruder with a gun, firing several rounds for good measure. A 66-year-old woman was attacked twice, despite having moved across town following the first assault.

IWannaKnow
03-23-2010, 12:16 PM
I have heard of this sort of thing (serial rape of elderly women) going on in Southern VA. They had arrested someone but would not release a photo due to trying to link him to more cases. Sorry this is so vauge but I thought it odd that the same thing happening over there as well. Maybe this has been discussed, I didn't read the whole thread. I want to say I heard about this in Chesapeake VA Beach area.

Thanks for the heads up LoveEndsWar. We looked at that angle and determined that creep was attacking younger women/girls, IIRC. Am I correct, everyone?

LoveEndsWar
03-23-2010, 01:31 PM
This link desribes 4.
http://www.wtkr.com/news/wtkr-pt-elderly-crime-pattern,0,3607040.story

LoveEndsWar
03-23-2010, 01:38 PM
Also this link about 6.
http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/police-investigate-similiar-elderly-rape-cases

LoveEndsWar
03-23-2010, 01:53 PM
Here is an article on an arrest made that may be connected.
http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/arrest-made-in-elderly-sexual-assault

Missizzy
03-25-2010, 12:48 PM
First, IWannaKnow--I remember there being either a live or written comment concerning the story of the Luling retirement village lady. That's the one where the comment comes up, "I want to make love to you". I recall a friend saying that that is the way the woman herself described what the man said and there being an indication he might have used different words. Who knows but I thought I'd mention it as it could change the tone. I do recall several comments about him being soft-spoken, though, so possibly he did use those words. He also asked one lady if she missed him. Yikes.

Another question which has been bothering me is I can't seem to find information about the man who was held for three months as a suspect. I remember seeing his mugshot and he was African-American and had medium skin tone. I seem to remember thinking he was chunkier than fit the description. He was planning on suing, IIRC. LE took DNA and matched it to a bedspread. LE, then realized that the DNA could have been tainted by mis-handling and were forced to let the guy go. But they bided their time for three months!! Were there attacks during this time? Can someone help with this? Did this guy fall off the internet? I'm sure we posted about him but I can't find it. A name would help. And still no absolute confirmation that LE moved the one woman?

I see that concerndgdaughter has not been on the thread. I wonder if she's heard anything? We're approaching four weeks out and still no confirmation one way or the other?

Missizzy
03-25-2010, 12:51 PM
See, it's magic!! Whenever I ask for help finding something, I immediately find it myself. It always makes me shake my head and wonder. Here's the story I was looking for about the suspect who was held:

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/83986097.html

"A cleared suspect in the Twilight Rapist case is suing over what he claims was faulty evidence used to keep him in jail for two months. The man claims human error caused bloodhounds from the Fort Bend County Sheriff's Office to match him to a crime scene.

A Yoakum Police Investigator, Fort Bend County and a Fort Bend County Sheriff's Deputy are named in the suit, filed by CM [EBM]...."

So, it wasn't DNA but scent. That makes more sense for the screw-up but not the forgetting the let the guy out.