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TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 03:05 AM
Just a bit further down the road from Bonsall and just up the road from where Danielle Van Dam lived in Scripps Ranch, a local Poway teen has gone missing in Rancho Bernardo.

The park she is missing from is parallel to the major inland north/south freeway, next to a large nursing/retirement home, and in a neighborhood that had been hard hit by the last San Diego wildfires.

This has been on twitter and facebook for awhile, and I've heard helicopters over the park off and on, but I wanted to wait until it was public in the news so I could include an article.


Poway Teen Missing (http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12048619)
Posted: Feb 25, 2010 11:50 PM PST Updated: Feb 25, 2010 11:51 PM PST

A search is underway late Thursday night for a missing Poway High School student. Chelsea King, 17 was reported missing just after 7 p.m.

San Diego Police and San Diego County Sheriff's Deputies are conducting an air and ground search at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. A classmate tells News 8, King's car was found there in the parking lot and that she had planned to go running.

Investigators say King does not have any history of running away. She is 5'5, 120 lbs with blonde hair and blue eyes. Anyone with information is asked to call police.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 03:10 AM
A blog a friend (of Chelsea's) started stated that her car was found with all of her things, including cell phone, plus her running clothes in it. Also right at the edge of the park is an area which goes back into the Lake Hodges area. While there are many trails, there are also areas that are quite dense and brushy.

The park itself is quite large and is always busy with sports activities on the fields, people in the dog park with their dogs, and many people walking and running. It is quite well lit, and a favorite spot of police and firemen to go train, as well. In mid afternoon before schools are out it's a bit quieter, but nearly always have many people stopping to each lunch or walk at breaks.

Here's a link to the park's website (http://rbcommunitypark.com/) which includes pictures.

I'll try to head out in the light tomorrow to the park if she's still not back and see what is happening on the ground search wise. Poway and RB are very tight knit communities, so I would expect there will be a lot of public support, though I'm praying Chelsea is found before much searching is needed.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 03:16 AM
It's also now top news on KNSD (after the Olympics) - there is a staging center set up at the park, and more than 100 sheriff deputies and volunteers.

Chelsea is a long distance runner at Poway High and often goes there and goes running. When she didn't come home after dark her parents immediately called the sheriffs. Sheriffs have been out with the Astria helicopters and ATVs searching since getting the phone call.

They are searching the canyon ravines beyond the park hoping that she simply fell down and got injured and can't get up, but they are very worried about her.

It is quite cool out (especially for San Diego) - about 51 right now, only that warm because of the cloud cover...many mornings recently it's been in the low 40's, and she was in running clothes (sounds like it was another set that was in the car).

They will be out searching overnight. Her family and friends are out there helping, as well.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 03:20 AM
Authorities search for missing teen in Ranch Bernardo (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/26/authorities-search-missing-teen-ranch-bernardo/)

By Jose Luis Jiménez, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Friday, February 26, 2010 at 12:06 a.m.

RANCHO BERNARDO — Authorities are searching for a 17-year-old girl who went missing Thursday evening.

Chelsea King, who planned on going running at Rancho Bernardo Community Park on West Bernardo Drive near Aguamiel Road, did not return to her Poway home, the Sheriff’s Department said.

Her family contacted deputies, who used cell towers to determine her cell phone was located near the park, the Sheriff’s Department said. Deputies found the phone inside of her car near the park Thursday night and a search was started to locate the teenager.

She is described as having blonde hair, blue eyes and a thin build. She is a member of the Poway High School cross country running team.

Anyone with information can call the Sheriff’s Department at (858) 565-5200.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 03:48 AM
Search Underway For Poway Teen (http://www.10news.com/news/22678790/detail.html)

POSTED: 12:14 am PST February 26, 2010
UPDATED: 12:37 am PST February 26, 2010
SAN DIEGO -- Search teams from the San Diego Sheriff’s Department are looking for a 17-year-old Poway girl in the area around Lake Hodges.

Deputies tell 10News they found Chelsea King’s car in the parking lot of Rancho Bernardo Community Park Thursday night. Her parents notified the Sheriff’s Department when she didn’t return home Thursday evening at her usual time.

King was likely running on the trails in the park, her family told 10News.

Sheriff's Department search teams used all-terrain vehicles and a helicopter to help volunteers who showed up to help look for King.

10News at 4:30 a.m. will have the latest on the search.

MBLover
02-26-2010, 07:59 AM
Prayers for Chelsea, hope she is found safe soon!

darlin gal
02-26-2010, 09:09 AM
http://www.10news.com/2010/0226/22678749_640X480.jpg

http://www.10news.com/news/22678790/detail.html#
After school on Thursday, she parked her car in the parking lot of the Rancho Bernardo Community Center on West Bernardo Drive in preparation for a run in the north Rancho Bernardo area, Caldwell said. She did not return to her locked car, according to the spokeswoman. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/ibs.sand.news/local;kw=news+square+22678790;ad=true;pgtype=detai l;tile=5;sz=300x250;ord=123456789? (http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/ibs.sand.news/local;kw=news+square+22678790;ad=true;pgtype=detai l;tile=5;sz=300x250;ord=123456789?)

Sharedspirit
02-26-2010, 12:11 PM
I saw this last night and hoped that when I got up today she'd have been found safe. This is happening way to much!

Texas Mist
02-26-2010, 12:33 PM
I just found out about Chelsea -- prayers she's found safe soon!!


http://kfmb.images.worldnow.com/images/12048619_BG1.jpg

raeann
02-26-2010, 12:40 PM
Such a shame that parents must worry and suffer when their kids are doing GOOD things, exactly the things that a teen should feel safe to do in her own hometown after school! I was concerned that this was in a remote area, but the pictures of the park seem to show it as a well used and developed park with many types of recreation areas.

jmo

Invisible
02-26-2010, 12:44 PM
Oh no...not another young woman missing from the San Diego area. There is definitely a predator out there. I was so sorry to see this story in our news this morning.

Invisible
02-26-2010, 12:46 PM
Such a shame that parents must worry and suffer when their kids are doing GOOD things, exactly the things that a teen should feel safe to do in her own hometown after school! I was concerned that this was in a remote area, but the pictures of the park seem to show it as a well used and developed park with many types of recreation areas.

jmo

I think there was another young woman attacked while jogging in this same area in December.

nursebeeme
02-26-2010, 01:32 PM
just did a search to see if she had a thread yet and glad to see there is already one started. I hope she is found safe.

fran
02-26-2010, 02:17 PM
I just heard about this case this morning on the local radio station. I pray that she turns up. But OhMyGooness, I have a bad feeling about this, especially after Amber DuBois.

I'm definitely going to contact my daughter that's training for a 5K. She always runs by herself. She tells me not to worry. :(

JMHO
fran

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 02:51 PM
Although it was a little foggy last night, I heard the helicopter frequently and have heard searching again today, which is great. In fact, there's a helicopter overhead at the moment.

I'm not sure how this didn't cross my mind last night, but it's only a couple of miles (literally) down the road from where Amber Dubois went missing from, as well.

I've been forwarded the missing flier (http://twitdoc.com/docview?doc=27527779&key=key-1w05jyvcd9li7kizkmc9&usr=pamslaterprice&lcl=pamslaterprice/nnm68bd8/MISSING2.pdf&hits=196&qs=bvcywh) for her dozens of times this morning. I'm trying to embed the link for it above

It's all over twitter, and local students all have it as their facebook status. Churches and schools are passing and forwarding out missing fliers about Chelsea, as well. So the good thing is especially in the Poway and RB area, there's virtually no one who isn't aware of this and keeping an eye out for her.

This is a pretty close knit area, and there are very few of us who haven't run in that park or run or walked around Lake Hodges, so this has stunned people.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 02:54 PM
One thing that should be helpful is that her parents reported her missing within an hour of the time she was expected to return home, and searching began almost immediately, so not a lot of time elapsed.

Search continues for missing Poway teen (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/26/search-continues-for-missing-poway-teen/?imw=Y)

By Michael Burge, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Karen Kucher, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Originally published February 26, 2010 at 6:18 a.m., updated February 26, 2010 at 9:39 a.m.


Poway High School student Chelsea King disappeared while jogging around Lake Hodges

SAN DIEGO — Dozens of volunteers and law enforcement officers, many assisted with dogs, fanned out on trails near Lake Hodges on Friday as they continued to search for a 17-year-old girl who went missing Thursday when she went for a run.

About 90 members of the sheriff’s search-and-rescue team worked overnight in Rancho Bernardo looking for Chelsea King, a student at Poway High School. Helicopters and searchers on ATVs also were involved in the effort.

Chelsea planned on going running at Rancho Bernardo Community Park on West Bernardo Drive near Aguamiel Road on Thursday and was reported missing by her family when she did not return to her Poway home.

The family had expected Chelsea to get home around 5 p.m. and called police when she didn’t arrive by 6 p.m., said Stephanie Dorian, who is Chelsea’s cousin.

Chelsea is “a happy girl going for a run and didn’t come back,” she said.

“She’s a typical all-American gal. She’s very easygoing, successful with what she does. She’s a straight-A student and avid runner,” she said.

Dorian said the family is “devastated” but doing the best they can.

Deputies used cell towers to determine that Chelsea’s cell phone was near the park. Her phone was found inside of her locked car Thursday night.

Sheriff’s Sgt. Don Parker, the search coordinator, said nothing useful has been found so far. “Nothing at all,” he said.

Parker said the group is searching an area larger than 20 square miles. Rancho Bernardo Community Park lies on the southern shore of Lake Hodges. It is laced with trails that weave through brush-covered hills and link the community park and the lake.

At the park, volunteers handed out fliers with the girl’s picture on it.

“Any time a child goes missing it is a serious issue.” said Linda Farmer, a Poway school employee who planned to hand out fliers. Farmer said her daughter and Chelsea are the same age.

Dan Perry, who said he was the family’s next-door neighbor, said he was remaining hopeful.

“She is just the greatest kid. She never said a bad word about anyone,” Perry said.

Officials said Chelsea is an avid long-distance runner and routinely takes long runs in rural areas.

She is described as having blond hair, blue eyes and a thin build. She is a member of the Poway High School cross country running team.

Sheriff’s officials said Friday morning that the case is being turned over to the San Diego Police Department because Chelsea’s car was found in police jurisdiction.

Invisible
02-26-2010, 03:24 PM
Here are two links to the attack of the jogger in the same park that happened in December.


http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Female-jogger-attacked-in-Rancho-Bernardo/wQY_KHtjkUWuBy3sHvcJiQ.cspx

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/rancho-bernardo/article_975772c1-e315-5fb2-9291-613f1f687293.html

I was listening to 10 news this morning and the reporter said that Chelsea is anemic and sometimes faints when she is running. The terrain around the lake can be a little rough, maybe there is a possibility that she fell and sprained or broke something and couldn't make it back to her car.

There are search teams out in full force looking for the young woman, so I am crossing my fingers that she will be found safe.

redsky
02-26-2010, 03:28 PM
I pray she is found safe but I am worried this isn't the case :( This has been happening far too often.

lurkeyloo
02-26-2010, 03:30 PM
I think there was another young woman attacked while jogging in this same area in December.

Do you know if they did a police sketch of the possible attacker? I'd like to find more info on this possible attack from December.

ETA- Thanks we must have been posting at the same time ;)

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 03:34 PM
Here are two links to the attack of the jogger in the same park that happened in December.


http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Female-jogger-attacked-in-Rancho-Bernardo/wQY_KHtjkUWuBy3sHvcJiQ.cspx

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/rancho-bernardo/article_975772c1-e315-5fb2-9291-613f1f687293.html

I was listening to 10 news this morning and the reporter said that Chelsea is anemic and sometimes faints when she is running. The terrain around the lake can be a little rough, maybe there is a possibility that she fell and sprained or broke something and couldn't make it back to her car.

There are search teams out in full force looking for the young woman, so I am crossing my fingers that she will be found safe.

Thanks for posting that.

Interesting because that's more into the Westwood neighborhood than the park, but the trails eventually end up around the park ones, depending on where you go direction wise on the various trail choices.

While I can still see the park from my house, I used to live literally next to that access trail shown from this previous attack and heard nothing about it! And I often ran those same trails - both from the earlier attack and where Chelsea is currently missing from.

Curious Me
02-26-2010, 03:48 PM
Do you know if they did a police sketch of the possible attacker? I'd like to find more info on this possible attack from December.

ETA- Thanks we must have been posting at the same time ;)


I'm going to check out this site:

San Diego Crime Stoppers
http://www.sdcrimestoppers.com/

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 03:52 PM
Here's a video from her parents.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/_Look_at_Her_Picture__Look_for_Her___Parents_San_D iego.html

It's taken out front of one of the park/rec buildings in the park.

Curious Me
02-26-2010, 03:56 PM
Here are two links to the attack of the jogger in the same park that happened in December.


http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Female-jogger-attacked-in-Rancho-Bernardo/wQY_KHtjkUWuBy3sHvcJiQ.cspx

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/rancho-bernardo/article_975772c1-e315-5fb2-9291-613f1f687293.html

I was listening to 10 news this morning and the reporter said that Chelsea is anemic and sometimes faints when she is running. The terrain around the lake can be a little rough, maybe there is a possibility that she fell and sprained or broke something and couldn't make it back to her car.

There are search teams out in full force looking for the young woman, so I am crossing my fingers that she will be found safe.


Disappointed in the SD Crime Stoppers site. It needs to be more interactive and current, IMO.

Thanks for posting those articles. The first article said:
"The victim got away after she elbowed the attacker in the face. Police think he may have a broken nose.

The suspect is described as a white male in his mid-20s, 5'11", 230 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes. He was wearing a blue and white sweater and jeans."

Curious Me
02-26-2010, 04:12 PM
It is so crucial to keep this search going now. Chelsea could be out there, maybe injured. Do they have enough people to search the area?

fran
02-26-2010, 04:15 PM
Here's a video from her parents.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/_Look_at_Her_Picture__Look_for_Her___Parents_San_D iego.html

It's taken out front of one of the park/rec buildings in the park.

Wow! her poor mom and dad.

:(
fran

Prayers for Chelsea.

fran
02-26-2010, 04:23 PM
I contacted my son who works in a neighboring town. He may have already heard, but I just wanted to be sure and so he can advise his staff.

Hopefully they've contacted the local schools as well.

fran

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 04:30 PM
They are doing a GREAT job of getting the word out and getting searchers out! (More pictures at link)

Major Search Efforts for Missing Poway Tee (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Search-Underway-for-Missing-Poway-Teen-85480472.html)n
By MICHELLE WAYLAND
Updated 10:51 AM PST, Fri, Feb 26, 2010

The parents of a Poway High School student are pleading for the public’s help to find their missing daughter, as resources from around the state join the major search effort.

“Anybody out there, if you know anything, please just help us bring her home. She’s such a good girl, she needs to come home,” Kelly King said.

Her daughter, 17-year-old Chelsea King, went for a run about 2 p.m. Thursday at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. When it got dark and her parents hadn't heard from her, they became worried and called police.

Deputies were able to track the long-distance runner’s cell phone and find her car at the park.

Multiple agencies are searching a 20 square mile area. The entire San Diego County Sheriff’s Dept. Search and Rescue team was at the scene, along with San Diego police and canine units.

“We’ve had Astrea up here in the air for hours,” Sheriff’s Dept. spokesperson Jan Caldwell said. “We’re right in the middle of a very active, aggressive search mission to find Chelsea.”

Investigators called in extra units from around the state to help search the spider web of trails in that area.

"We want to find this young person immediately and reunite her with her family. If she's... injured we want to get her warm and safe and medical care," Caldwell said.

A reverse 911 was also put in place to get the word out to the surrounding area.

“We still have not located her and we’re just praying for Chelsea to get home and find us,” her father Brent King said at a press conference Friday morning.

A television reporter at the scene described the search effort as one of the biggest she’s ever seen.

Hundreds of friends were searching for the missing teen overnight, but officials said their scent could complicate the search.

Instead, they have set up a base camp at the Rancho Bernardo Glassman Recreation Center and are making flyers, which they plan to distribute as far south as Tijuana and as far north as Los Angeles.

“All the volunteers that are out there now and they’ve been out there all night, thank you,” Chelsea’s mother said.

Investigators say Chelsea lives in Poway and knows the area well -- especially the running trails.

“She’s known to be a good runner, a fast runner and real strong and just loves to run,” Caldwell said.

Friends say Chelsea is a college-bound senior at Poway high school and well liked by everyone. They're stunned by her disappearance.

"I'm incredibly worried. I mean she's like my best friend I can't even describe what I feel," Mckenzie Lamont said. "She's responsible, she never gets into trouble. This is just out of her character."

Chelsea had run cross-country for Poway High and friends say it wasn't uncommon for her to run for hours at a time. She was also a peer counselor and played the French horn. Lamont says when she didn't show up for symphony Thursday night -- they got worried.

"I think everyone's still in their shock phase. This doesn't feel real to anyone yet," Chelsea's friend Susan Rudiger said. "We're just trying to keep our negative thoughts inside right now and really just try to stay positive in a time like this."

“She must be an amazing person because there are a lot of friends and family that are standing here,” Caldwell said. “That’s a testimony to the kind of girl that she is.”

Chelsea is described as having strawberry blonde hair, blue eyes; she’s about 5 foot 5 inches tall and weighs 115 pounds. If you have any information regarding her whereabouts, please contact investigators.

“Anything you can do, look at her picture, look for her, please keep your eyes and ears open and pray for her,” her father pleaded.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 04:36 PM
It is so crucial to keep this search going now. Chelsea could be out there, maybe injured. Do they have enough people to search the area?

I just posted some specifics about the search from an article. They're saying they are afraid all of the locals out searching may complicate the endeavors to follow her scent - so it sounds like they're now trying to limit it to the official searchers - of which there are quite a lot and more coming in from around the state.

I truly think it's unlikely, at this point, that she fell and was injured. With hundreds of people searching for more than 18 hours now, with helicopters, atvs, and many on foot, the trails Chelsea most likely would have been on would have to have been covered. So unless she went way off of a trail (which most in that area wouldn't do because the terrain gets rough and there is too much wildlife, snakes, coyotes, etc., especially around dusk) she should have been located.

Unfortunately, too, our weather is supposed to get bad tonight, and that's going to complicate efforts. She needs to be found before this next expected storm comes in because they'll have to halt many of the search efforts.

I've not heard the Astria helicopter for the last hour or so...hopefully they're just refueling and will get back up in the air shortly. This continues to be the lead story and is promo'd at commercial breaks, and it continues to be all over facebook and twitter.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 04:40 PM
While I think she's gotten way off track lately, it'd be nice if Nancy Grace would talk about it tonight - since she's been covering the McStay's periodically, and had covered Amber in the past, another person seeming to have vanished in a (much safer than the average) surrounding community is definitely troubling and might help bring renewed attention to all of the cases.

It's troubling, too, because about a week ago I saw a missing flier on a store in Rancho Bernardo for a boy who's missing (looked to be late teens earlier twenties). I was running out of the store to a meeting, and came home to try to find details online and haven't found anything about him...but I believe the missing date was late January. I can't find a thing about him online, even his name. So there could be another missing person, as well.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 04:45 PM
Searching is also being done from the water at Lake Hodges since many of the trails go back into the area around the lake, and it's a popular place to run. The new bridge that's been put in ups the odds that Chelsea could have also run across the bridge and could have gone onto the trails on the north side of the lake (into Escondido, then) as well.

Investigators Seek Help. (http://www.lajollalight.com/news/266421-investigators-seek-help-in-finding-missing-poway-teen)..

"As of 10 a.m., the canines being used were trained in tracking, not cadaver searches, he said. Later this morning, boats were expected to arrive to help search Lake Hodges, which separates north Rancho Bernardo from Escondido, Turner said."

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 04:46 PM
Here's the Laura Recovery Center Poster

http://www.lrcf.net/missing/ChelseaKing/ChelseaKing.html

soyesterday
02-26-2010, 04:48 PM
Here's a video from her parents.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/_Look_at_Her_Picture__Look_for_Her___Parents_San_D iego.html

It's taken out front of one of the park/rec buildings in the park.

OMG i got all choked up watching that....i can NOT freaking imagine what it is like to be a parent of a missing child....i would DIE if any of my children were ever missing....OMG.....
please God....help them find their missing baby girl safe and sound.

mahoneys07
02-26-2010, 04:49 PM
gosh that video made me cry...I so hope this has a good outcome...However with all the recent cases I dont have much faith anymore. :(

TheMentalist
02-26-2010, 05:04 PM
I think that the police should also be looking for a mountain lion. It is not uncommon for them to attack joggers or bicyclists in California. I would be releasing some beagles as soon as possible to see if they pick up on a cat scent. Beagles are excellent at hunting cats and running them up trees. I dont think you can compare this story to the other person that was attacked by a person demanding money. I have a feeling this is a different kind of case but I hope for a positive outcome for her family.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 05:18 PM
Tim Miller from TES has also been in the area looking for the McStay family. It'd be great if they could use their resources for Chelsea, as well, since it's only a few miles away...and in this case there's a very concrete area to be starting searches.

It'd be great if Chelsea's parents could at least contact TES. Or LRC...they have been involved with many of the other missions persons cases here. I'm glad LRC's at least got the flier linked!

Blondie in Spokane
02-26-2010, 05:27 PM
Oh, watching that video was heartbreaking....her poor parents....her mom looks absolutely devastated....my heart goes out to them.....I pray Chelsea is alright....

raeann
02-26-2010, 05:45 PM
wow...her mom reminds me so much of Jaycee Dugard's mom from the pictures and video when Jaycee first went missing.

jmoo

Curious Me
02-26-2010, 07:43 PM
Here's the Laura Recovery Center Poster

http://www.lrcf.net/missing/ChelseaKing/ChelseaKing.html

Chelsea is a beautiful girl. OMG, how I pray they find her alive.

I'm trying to understand if it'd be possible for someone to abduct her as she was running. Someone could have tripped her or tackled her, but I don't picture it easy to have gotten her into a car unless they did abduct her near the parking lot. Wondering what others think happened.

belimom
02-26-2010, 07:48 PM
I'm trying to understand if it'd be possible for someone to abduct her as she was running. Someone could have tripped her or tackled her, but I don't picture it easy to have gotten her into a car unless they did abduct her near the parking lot. Wondering what others think happened.

Rachel Cooke disappeared while jogging as well. Check out Texas Mist's signature on the previous page.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 07:56 PM
Here's the facebook group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10150096592030282) that's being updated with information about how people can get involved.

The news page is being updated. Here's the current updated (audio to the update at Chelsea's high school is available on one of the other facebook tabs)

Bolded is where locals can get fliers printed to distribute for free.

This page will be updated regularly

A MESSAGE FROM POWAY HIGH SCHOOL:

This is Principal Scott Fisher calling regarding the disappearance of Chelsea King, a senior at Poway High School. Chelsea, a long distance runner, went for a jog at the Rancho Bernardo Community Park after school. Her locked car with some of her belongings was found in the parking lot. Multiple agencies, including the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department Search and Rescue Team, are coordinating efforts and the use of K-9s, mounted police, helicopters and ATVs to locate Chelsea.

Today our student services office is available and staffed with school and peer counselors to assist any students feeling distressed. We will also have room K-1 available after school for students to meet in support for the search efforts. I spoke to students first thing this morning to share information and let them know how they can help. I plan to share more information later in the day. As we get more information from authorities relative to how students and their parents can help, we will share that with them.

Any pertinent information related to Chelsea that could assist officials in their search should be passed along to the Sheriff’s Communication Center at 858 565-5200.
We thank you for keeping Chelsea and her family in your thoughts and prayers.

*Today we're organizing adults to distribute flyers in all directions beyond Poway throughout Southern California. (The kids are covering Poway.) If you have any questions please call my cell 858-437-3835. Thanks

*If you're in the Poway/RB area, Pat O'Sullivan at Village Mail & More by Albertsons on Pomerdo and RB Road will print copies for free.


PRINT AND DISTRIBUTE THIS FLYER:
http://rocket.s3.amazonaws.com/PERSONAL/MISSING%20chelsea%20king.pdf
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/26/search-continues-for-missing-poway-teen/

~~~

The school district (http://www.powayusd.com/) also has a flier on their website and a district wide statement by the Poway Unified Superintendent.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 08:01 PM
Here's the Chelsea King website (http://findchelsea.com/).

Also, multiple sources now saying the FBI is now involved in the search (most sources saying due to the belief she may have been abducted).

Investigators seek help in finding missing Poway teen (http://www.delmartimes.net/news/266422-investigators-seek-help-in-finding-missing-poway-teen)

"We have probably 150 to 250 deputies, officers, agents and volunteers all night long and they will continue to stay here as long as needed," said Jan Caldwell, a spokeswoman for the San Diego County Sheriff's Department.

Caldwell said the search is being assisted by the FBI, San Diego Police Department, San Diego Fire-Rescue Department, Del Mar Lifeguards and search and rescue teams from Riverside County.

<snip>

A black BMW, believed to be King's, remained in the parking lot Friday surrounded by yellow tape.

Friday morning, law enforcement personnel from Riverside County arrived with canines to aid in the search. Additional canines from other agencies within San Diego County were also being used in the search, according to San Diego County sheriff's Lt. Harold Turner. Boats were also being used to search the adjacent Lake Hodges.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 08:09 PM
It's the top news story on all local news programs, and they are all live on location.

Helicopters are back overhead again at the moment - I can see and hear them.

According to KFMB, right now both news and sheriffs choppers are live overhead looking.

The photo on the flyer (http://www.powayusd.com/) (where she's where a dusty rose-ish coloured top and her hair is down) was taken YESTERDAY in her photo class, so it's very current. It's great that in a missing person's case there is a clear photo taken the exact day the person went missing.

The sheriff is issuing a statement with an update shortly.

Amber DuBois' mom is out helping search.

There will be coordinated search efforts with the general public this weekend.

At 7:30 tonight there is a vigil at Poway High.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 08:13 PM
The San Diego
Sheriff Bill Gore is doing a press conference saying that they are hopeful to find some clues and that's why they have all of these resources out there.

Chelsea frequently would come here and go running 4-6 miles on the trails here.

Infrared cameras were being used last night and will continue to be used.

They will search even if it's as stormy tonight as they are expecting, but that will limit choppers.

They are extending beyond the trails and going into the neighborhood in Westwood, as well, and they did reverse-911 at 10 and 11 pm Thursday night into Westwood, RB on the east side of 15 (so near Battle Mountain, Eastview, etc.) and Escondido to the homes by Lake Hodges.

As he is talking they are also panning to show the Astria helicopter searching.

No reports of mountain lions.

She was a great student, also a peer counselor at the high school.

They are, as a matter of routine, looking into her cell phone and computer, but her phone was in the car and so they are looking into what was on the phone prior to that.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 08:16 PM
KGTV local news 10 has had over 15 straight minutes solely covering Chelsea's disappearance.

Experienced hikers and bikers are also out searching areas that most novice hikers/bikers/walkers/runners wouldn't know and are all carrying fliers with them. There aren't really any cliff/ravine areas, but there are about 27 miles of trails, some of which are more secluded. The bigger concern is the trails being slippery tomorrow after the rain.

Students were out in groups in the neighborhoods and businesses in RB, Poway, and Escondido and are papering everything with her fliers.

Another business doing free fliers are the local FedEx/Kinko stores for locals wanting to print more.

At 6 they will talk about the attack that occurred on the trails nearby and whether or not there's any reason to think there could be a link.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 08:36 PM
***Breaking News***

A shoe and possibly other items were just found in the area and they have roped off the area and have sheriff helicopters overhead that particular area.

Her parents were just dropped off by the Sheriff to look at the items and try to ID if they are truly belonging to her.

(For those who know the area, it's the area right under the bridge from the freeway - not up by the West Bernardo/Pomerado exit, but rather the area just north of the Duenda bridge, near where Escala has the big curve in the canyon on the east side)

belimom
02-26-2010, 08:50 PM
***Breaking News***

A shoe and possibly other items were just found in the area and they have roped off the area and have sheriff helicopters overhead that particular area.

Her parents were just dropped off by the Sheriff to look at the items and try to ID if they are truly belonging to her.

(For those who know the area, it's the area right under the bridge from the freeway - not up by the West Bernardo/Pomerado exit, but rather the area just north of the Duenda bridge, near where Escala has the big curve in the canyon on the east side)

Doesn't look good...:(

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 08:53 PM
A pedometer has also now been found in the area near the shoe. The shoe was brought to Chelsea's parents to ask if it could be identified as belonging to her.

The Astria chopper is overhead with the light on now searching that area near the location of the shoe. It's slowing traffic on the 15 freeway as people try to figure out what's going on.

darlin gal
02-26-2010, 08:59 PM
Search volunteers report at 1pm Sat. at 11858 Bernardo Plaza Ct. Suite 200. 18yrs old w/valid i.d., dress for rain.

Curious Me
02-26-2010, 09:10 PM
I started a candle group for Chelsea King. Prayers that Chelsea is found soon, and prayers for her loving Parents to stay strong, and prayers for the searchers to find her.

Please light a candle for Chelsea at the site below under the CKING group. There's also a Amber Dubois group.


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=CKING

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 09:10 PM
I'm hoping they show a zoomed out shot of where the spot of the shoe and pedometer have been found so I can ID it on a map for you guys.

Chelsea's car is being moved by authorities right now, as I said, her parents have just been brought in to try and ID the items.

The spot where the other woman was attack was much further into the neighborhood...down Duenda on Poblado about a mile west of West Bernardo near Moon Song and Smokesignal.

These trails are not unusual places for people to be out running, walking, biking, etc.

They're now saying rain might not start until morning - which is good for more searching tonight, but means the daylight hours will have more rain than originally expected.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 09:12 PM
Search volunteers report at 1pm Sat. at 11858 Bernardo Plaza Ct. Suite 200. 18yrs old w/valid i.d., dress for rain.

For those locals, that's across the street from the big Vons by the old library and Citibank building - down the street from Church at Rancho Bernardo which can be seen from the freeway.

darlin gal
02-26-2010, 09:19 PM
TB what channel are you watching locally? TIA

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 09:28 PM
TB what channel are you watching locally? TIA

I'm flipping between all three big ones (KNSD 7/39, KFMB 8, and KGTV 10) depending on what's on. Channel 10 seems to be doing the most update wise...I pretty much ignore KUSI 9/51 and the local Fox station unless they're the only ones on. Channel 8 has the advantage of having had their chopper up more when it was light, though.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 09:33 PM
KFMB:

Replaying the clip of her parents making their plea.

Sheriffs are definitely checking if those items belong to Chelsea. (Where they are showing doesn't match where they say they are found - they're showing further from the lake and nearer to the freeway overpass area, but they are saying the southeast area of Lake Hodges)

Crime scene experts are looking over her car for clues now that is has been removed from the parking lot. Her school clothes (seen in the photo on the flier where she's wearing the dusty rose colour) and phone were in the car.

Searchers are working overnight regardless of weather. Sheriff spokesperson cannot say anything about items found.

KaylynnCouture
02-26-2010, 10:04 PM
Praying for Chelsea to come home safe!

This really isn't sounding good :(

KaylynnCouture
02-26-2010, 10:05 PM
I'm going to email Nancy Grace and see if she'll cover Chelsea's story. I'm hoping Chelsea's story can go nationwide.

Curious Me
02-26-2010, 10:12 PM
10News is doing a great job describing the extent of the search. They did report about some articles being found. The search is going on throughout the night. I know I can't rest and will be waiting to hear if Chelsea's been found. Gosh, her poor parents must be exhausted and worried sick.

Don't runners take their cell phones with them on a run? I thought they did in case of emergencies.

Curious Me
02-26-2010, 10:16 PM
***Breaking News***

A shoe and possibly other items were just found in the area and they have roped off the area and have sheriff helicopters overhead that particular area.

Her parents were just dropped off by the Sheriff to look at the items and try to ID if they are truly belonging to her.

(For those who know the area, it's the area right under the bridge from the freeway - not up by the West Bernardo/Pomerado exit, but rather the area just north of the Duenda bridge, near where Escala has the big curve in the canyon on the east side)

Just want to say Thank You TravelingBug for keeping us up-to-date on what's going on. You're doing a good service for Chelsea and her Family.

glitterghost
02-26-2010, 10:22 PM
Im a bit confused..on page 1 in this thread someone mentioned that her running clothes were found IN her car but now ite being reported they found her pedometer? Maybe she keeps extras in her car? I first assumed maybe she was abducted before her run but if she had her pedometer then she was out on the run (or so we can assume). There is a lot of land to cover and i know if LE asked, a lot of people would go out there and search. I dont care if its pouring tomorrow, Id go in a heartbeat.

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 10:43 PM
Im a bit confused..on page 1 in this thread someone mentioned that her running clothes were found IN her car but now ite being reported they found her pedometer? Maybe she keeps extras in her car? I first assumed maybe she was abducted before her run but if she had her pedometer then she was out on the run (or so we can assume). There is a lot of land to cover and i know if LE asked, a lot of people would go out there and search. I dont care if its pouring tomorrow, Id go in a heartbeat.

Glitter, originally they were saying her running clothes were in the car. Then reports were it was another set of running clothes found in the car (presumably her school cross country clothes). Now, they're only saying her school clothes from Thursday (the dusty rose-ish colour top in one of the missing photo posters that has an actual photo from yesterday) were in the car. Given that she runs for fun and for school, it's pretty likely there truly were at least another set of running clothes in her car, and that's where the confusion arose.

They definitely seem to think whatever happened occurred while she was running and was already out on the trails somewhere. One of the obstacles to searching was that there are SO many directions she could have gone from there - some are very clearly marked trails, but others are still quite widely used but not as obvious. That's why they were hoping the dogs would be of help.

All over facebook and twitter are people talking about searching tomorrow - and a lot of high schoolers are hoping they'll find a way to let them somehow help out even if they aren't 18. Today many stayed home and plastered places with posters.

redsky
02-26-2010, 10:48 PM
Thanks for the updates TB, I was hoping to come home and read that they had found her.

KaylynnCouture
02-26-2010, 11:31 PM
Here are Chelsea's missing person flyers taken from the Help Find Chelsea King facebook group. I'm putting these here so anyone in the San Diego/Southern California area who wants to print them off and pass them out, can.
http://i48.tinypic.com/35asx84.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/23mm2k8.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/24q7io4.jpg

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 11:39 PM
Here are Chelsea's missing person flyers taken from the Help Find Chelsea King facebook group. I'm putting these here so anyone in the San Diego/Southern California area who wants to print them off and pass them out, can.


Thanks!

The most recent flier/photo is the one with two photos on it.

The photo on the right with her in the rose colour top is from THURSDAY (the day she went missing) - someone had taken it during her photo class at Poway High.

It's this flier here http://www.powayusd.com/doc_library/2009/ChelseaKingFlyer.pdf that has a photo only a day old!

And just reposting, local FedEx/Kinko stores and Pat O'Sullivan at Village Mail & More by Albertsons on Pomerdo and RB Road will print fliers for free. They've got 10,000 printed at the search center for tomorrow ready to go.

Laura Recovery Center is doing the training for tomorrow.

darlin gal
02-26-2010, 11:47 PM
VOLUNTEER UPDATE FOR CHELSEA: Meet tomorrow at 11858 Bernardo Plaza Court behind Citibank, RB, 92128 at noon, 2 /27/10. Laura Recovery Center will train searchers. Wear long pants, closed toed shoes. Need to be 18 or over. Bring CDL. Will need to fill out volunteer reg. form. They have printed out over 10K flyers. Spread the word!

TravelingBug
02-26-2010, 11:48 PM
Is someone able to upload the video from here (http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12048619)? It was one of the local news stations and would allow others to see the terrain, etc. TIA!


Here's a second video (http://www.kusi.com/home/85513887.html?video=pop&t=a), as well.

And a third (http://www.sandiego6.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=750575@xetv.dayport.com&navCatId=3237).

nadjatheresa
02-27-2010, 12:08 AM
Thank you for posting the videos. In the second one, you can see the area that's cordoned off where they presumably found the pedometer and shoe.

By now her parents must have seen the shoe.

Gosh, I hope this poor girl is found safe. Her parents must be in complete agony. I hope Tim Miller's crew can help out tomorrow since they are already there and will be using drones in the same area anyway.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 12:14 AM
They didn't say what yet, but the local news (KNSD for locals) just did a 'teaser' saying that they'd have the latest on what the FBI now thinks happened to Chelsea.

I'm glad that a) the FBI appears to be pretty involved, and b) they seem to have some theory upon which they are working.

Unfortunately it won't air until late because of the Olympics, but hopefully other smaller stations will have similar updates coming up in just a bit at 10, or at least the other major stations will at 11.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 12:17 AM
Thank you for posting the videos. In the second one, you can see the area that's cordoned off where they presumably found the pedometer and shoe.

By now her parents must have seen the shoe.

Gosh, I hope this poor girl is found safe. Her parents must be in complete agony. I hope Tim Miller's crew can help out tomorrow since they are already there and will be using drones in the same area anyway.

I agree about Tim Miller and TES.

I've not heard/seen helicopters since about 7:30. Based on the potential shoe/pedometer finding, and now one station saying the FBI has a theory on what happened, I'm hoping that means they have cause to be looking specifically in another way.

I wish KGTV had a video up. They had a slightly more panned out video that I was hoping to see again so I could show you where it seems they have roped things off. I'm hoping they'll show that video again at 11.

ETA: I went further out and the helicopter, instead of being on the more southerly side of the park and lake, which is also where they had indicated the shoe/pedometer were, is now flying more on the northerly side, nearer the Lomas Serenas part of Escondido right along the north side of Lake Hodges.

There's a constant, bright light, though, still off the west side of the 15 freeway, north of the Duenda overpass, where you can see the trail by the park running near West Bernardo on the west side and you can see Escala down through the canyon on the east side.

So not sure if they're ground searching more in that area to the south, but just have the chopper looking more north because they need to check that area, or if something has led them to move the chopper more north. The chopper has a downlight on as they survey, and reportedly is using infrared.

Sharedspirit
02-27-2010, 12:19 AM
Is it just me? Or do the news reporters keep refering to Chelsea in the past tense? It's driving me nuts! I shouldn't have watched the video. Watching her parents is heartbreaking.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 12:34 AM
This video (http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/?watchId=8760dfeb-7572-4818-b654-cc94b299b22d) from yet another news station is one of the older ones, because it has some feed from last night and most of the rest from this morning shows one thing I was saying last night and that was about how we had some fog.

You can see it at several points in the video from early this morning when it's more just low clouds still at that point, but it's getting soupier again out now, which will again make searching by air more challenging...as will searching on the ground overnight as they did last night, because you can't really see into the brush, but only see what's in the clear places right within eyesight.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 12:40 AM
She's listed now on the NCMEC. http://www.ncmec.org/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1141924&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 12:52 AM
Is someone able to upload the video from here (http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12048619)? It was one of the local news stations and would allow others to see the terrain, etc. TIA!


Here's a second video (http://www.kusi.com/home/85513887.html?video=pop&t=a), as well.

And a third (http://www.sandiego6.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=750575@xetv.dayport.com&navCatId=3237).

The second video indicates mountain lions in the area where the shoe was found and the pedometer. I would have to say that my earlier comment about her being a victim to a cat sounds like it may have some merit. I hope for the sake of her family it is not the case. They may need to bring in a fish & game tracker...to find her if she has fallen victim of a mountain lion. Cats are nocturnal and do come out in the evening hours and it is best if you are going to jog or bicycle to have someone with you in the event you encounter one. Or to jog with your dog so that you are not alone in these type of areas. I have experienced mountain lions in my second home in Colorado and they are always lurking around my place. I will continue to hold out hope for her family that she will be found unharmed.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 01:03 AM
KUSI 9/51 at 10:

Search crews are using every tool and piece of technology they have to look for Chelsea. Her parents are distraught. They are searching beginning from 4-6 miles distance away since she doesn't typically go beyond that distance.

They are still calling it a missings persons case but aren't ruling out a criminal investigation.

CW 6 News at 10:

A news conference just wrapped up and there are no signs of Chelsea King (I'm guessing that means the shoes/pedometer weren't belonging to her?).

Investigators are also talking to friends and neighbors in case someone knows of something giving her trouble (I think they mean someone)

Chelsea's family is keeping the faith she'll be found. No one has heard a negative thing about her, she is very beloved.

Students at PHS gathered to talk about what they can do to help (principal is being interviewed, too) - and the principal said that many students are helping search and give out posters, and that there is counseling available to those who want it.

Fox 5 News at 10:

They're now retracing all the steps from yesterday looking for her.

They want as many people working with search teams tomorrow as possible - as many feet on the ground looking as they can have

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 01:22 AM
The second video indicates mountain lions in the area where the shoe was found and the pedometer. I would have to say that my earlier comment about her being a victim to a cat sounds like it may have some merit. I hope for the sake of her family it is not the case. They may need to bring in a fish & game tracker...to find her if she has fallen victim of a mountain lion. <snip>

While we do periodically get mountain lions, it's really not that common. Coyotes, on the other hand, are definitely prevalent here. They did bring in certain dogs to track any large cats that may have been around but so far found nothing to indicate that.

One area, in particular, does tend to have migrant workers living in the canyon, so a shoe could certainly be from one of them, as well. I often saw discarded clothing in areas that clearly had been used as camps.

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 01:22 AM
Picking up her scent with dogs will be hard if the rain does start falling. Mountain Lions can carry and drag a person quite a distance away. They often bury their prey in shallow graves and return to them periodicly. They are known to lurk in tall grasses and they are extremely fast when they attack. This story of Chelsea's sudden dissappearance reminds me of a small boy who was camping with his parents at big bear and dissappeared from the parking lot of a campground. The first thing that occurred was everyone thought he was abducted. I believe a year later or more they found some of his remains and it was determined that the young boy was a victim of a mountain lion. But I believe his remains were found some distance away from the campsite.

nadjatheresa
02-27-2010, 01:25 AM
<...>

CW 6 News at 10:

A news conference just wrapped up and there are no signs of Chelsea King (I'm guessing that means the shoes/pedometer weren't belonging to her?).

Investigators are also talking to friends and neighbors in case someone knows of something giving her trouble (I think they mean someone)

Chelsea's family is keeping the faith she'll be found. No one has heard a negative thing about her, she is very beloved.

Students at PHS gathered to talk about what they can do to help (principal is being interviewed, too) - and the principal said that many students are helping search and give out posters, and that there is counseling available to those who want it.

<...>




It will be good news if it's confirmed the shoe and pedometer are not hers. That at least leaves room for hope.

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 01:32 AM
While we do periodically get mountain lions, it's really not that common. Coyotes, on the other hand, are definitely prevalent here. They did bring in certain dogs to track any large cats that may have been around but so far found nothing to indicate that.

One area, in particular, does tend to have migrant workers living in the canyon, so a shoe could certainly be from one of them, as well. I often saw discarded clothing in areas that clearly had been used as camps.

I do not find anything about wildlife common. Any free animal has the advantage of mobility and the element of surprise. Another thing to consider is that wildlife in general is drawn to water sources. Not only to drink but to prey on other wildlife that may be refreshing itself near a lake or stream. Even coyotes can be a threat if encountered in a pack. I understand how people fear the homeless because they are different when people decide to live outside of society norms and I understand the proximity to the border may also be a factor to consider. A single shoe is alot more disturbing than a pair of shoes...but I doubt a migrant worker would have a need for a pedometer. So, I think the answer to Chelseas dissappearance will come soon. I hope it is good news.

If this is not Chelsea's shoe and pedometer I hope that this does not indicate a possible earlier victim of a cat. Another incident occurred here in Calif. where a bicyclist was attacked while riding with a friend. The cat drug the woman by her face while her girlfriend fought the cat off by throwing rocks at it. When the fish and game arrived to hunt the cat they found a mans body in a shallow grave about a 1/4 mile away. An abandoned bicycle on the trail marked the spot of the earlier victim . The woman survived due to her courageous friend who would not abandon her to the mountain lions grip on her face.

And with all the wildfires...it has made survival of the mountain lion a hardship by having to move farther out of its usual territory to find food. I did read in an update that there are many dogs at the site of the search so maybe we will have some answers soon.

Ghostwheel
02-27-2010, 01:51 AM
Picking up her scent with dogs will be hard if the rain does start falling. Mountain Lions can carry and drag a person quite a distance away. They often bury their prey in shallow graves and return to them periodicly. They are known to lurk in tall grasses and they are extremely fast when they attack. This story of Chelsea's sudden dissappearance reminds me of a small boy who was camping with his parents at big bear and dissappeared from the parking lot of a campground. The first thing that occurred was everyone thought he was abducted. I believe a year later or more they found some of his remains and it was determined that the young boy was a victim of a mountain lion. But I believe his remains were found some distance away from the campsite.
I think this is the story you are thinking abouthttp://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/hunting/news/story?id=2075458 The article specifies that they searched all over for the boy, and could not find him, yet the bones were found in the vicinity.

The dogs might have some luck for an hour or so if the rain starts lightly, but after that (and if it gets to coming down really hard), the scent will be hard to find. The dogs should have had better luck this morning after the fog, as any scent that was on the surrounding bushes would have settled to the ground, but there was no report of any dog finding a scent to follow. Since they are asking for volunteers around noon, they probably figure that the dogs will no longer be of any help by then, and it's time to slowly walk the grid, looking for anything unusual that might be helpful. While it's good to pay attention to everything, pedometers and shoes (even single ones) are not that uncommon to find while out hiking. (I am constantly amazed at what I come across, even when not bush-whacking)

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 02:06 AM
KFMB 8:

Family trying to still remain optimistic. Absolutely no evidence or belief she would have (or did) run away.

Search crews have been going for 24 hours straight (many of them) but they're starting to shift some out to give rest and have alternating crews.

KGTV 10:

Clothing was found in the search this evening but it was BAGS of clothing, and they have not determined it to be of any relation to Chelsea. There is no news on the shoe.

They had a large group out at Poway High tonight, and it was the topic of conversation all over campus today. They're hoping and praying and telling everyone about Chelsea hoping it will bring information forward.

LEO and extra counselors were on campus today to talk with students.

The peer counselor banquet planned tonight was cancelled since she was a peer counselor, and they had this gathering for all students instead.

The search is spanning more than 40 acres.

They are closing watching the weather knowing rain should be coming around 8/9 am tomorrow morning. The good news is the cloud cover has caused the temperature to increase a bit to be in the low 50's.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 02:07 AM
TES is offering their drones that are here in the McStay search to look for Chelsea and should be used in the days to come as well, now. That's great news - with the resources already here I'm so glad they're putting them to use for Chelsea, as well!

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 02:12 AM
I think this is the story you are thinking abouthttp://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/hunting/news/story?id=2075458 The article specifies that they searched all over for the boy, and could not find him, yet the bones were found in the vicinity.

The dogs might have some luck for an hour or so if the rain starts lightly, but after that (and if it gets to coming down really hard), the scent will be hard to find. The dogs should have had better luck this morning after the fog, as any scent that was on the surrounding bushes would have settled to the ground, but there was no report of any dog finding a scent to follow. Since they are asking for volunteers around noon, they probably figure that the dogs will no longer be of any help by then, and it's time to slowly walk the grid, looking for anything unusual that might be helpful. While it's good to pay attention to everything, pedometers and shoes (even single ones) are not that uncommon to find while out hiking. (I am constantly amazed at what I come across, even when not bush-whacking)

Yes, that was the story of the little boy you are correct. I know the father said he did not believe a cougar took his son away as he says he would of heard his sons scream if attacked by a cat. This is very faulty thinking on his part because mountain lions are that quick and they usually go for the throat of their victim thereby paralyzing their vocals immediately and crushing their windpipe. I have seen mountain lions attack my neighbors sheep on many occassions it is quick and precise and hardly a noise from the sheep that falls victim. It is very fast!

I must agree with you I also find many items when camping or hiking and I am never amazed with what people leave behind in our wilderness. I firmly believe what you take in you must take out.

Wildlife and wilderness can be enjoyable but it can be deadly as well. On one of my trips to the Colorado Mesa wilderness a friend of mine could hardly sleep in the tent constantly jumping up to any noise or crackle that was heard. I finally got them to go to sleep by telling them ...if you hear a noise outside the tent it is most likely deer or elk. My friend replied what about bear? I told them you will not hear a bear or a mountain lion. In the morning my friend replied they slept good but after thinking over what I had said they did not want to spend anymore nights in the wilderness.

Ghostwheel
02-27-2010, 02:23 AM
Yes, I'm one of those people who pack out what I brought in, plus a good portion of what other people leave.

I must go put another coat of waterproofing on my boots. I'm in for a soggy day tomorrow, if they need me. I have a feeling the volunteer center will be packed, no matter what the weather.

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 02:38 AM
Yes, I'm one of those people who pack out what I brought in, plus a good portion of what other people leave.

I must go put another coat of waterproofing on my boots. I'm in for a soggy day tomorrow, if they need me. I have a feeling the volunteer center will be packed, no matter what the weather.

Good Luck with the search, I hope you can bring her home. Be Safe.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 02:57 AM
KNSD 7/39 @ midnight:

There are still searchers out tonight searching through the night. They are retracing earlier steps to make sure nothing in the areas they most expected her to be are not missed when rains come tomorrow.

They are confirming the blouse in the photo that she was seen in on Tuesday (the rose coloured top) was found in the car.

They are finding a lot of abandoned items, including clothing and shoes, but that is not at all unexpected in the canyons.

Some special unmanned drones from SDSU are heading up - they are camera equipped and cover 5 miles in 15 minutes.

They were promoing what the FBI was theorizing for the last many hours but now have gone into Olympic coverage. If they share what the FBI thinks I'll post...after hours of various teasers about it I'm a little surprised they haven't said what that was!

Curious Me
02-27-2010, 02:59 AM
I am really hopeful hearing about all the searching to find Chelsea. It's still possible she was injured in a remote spot and needs to be rescued. Just praying she can be found soon.

LilysMom
02-27-2010, 03:09 AM
There may not have been any recent mountain lion sightings in this area, but they closed Blue Sky Reserve (one of our favorite hiking locations) not too far down the road from here due to frequent mountain lion sightings. We were planning to swing by this weekend to see if it had reopened. It is not inconceivable to think that there might have been a mountain lion out at Hodges. I wouldn't have even thought animal if there hadn't been all the recent sightings not that far away. It didn't take the fire long to spread and it would only take a mountain a few hours to take that same path to get to the Hodges area.

My mom takes my nephew to the park where Chelsea's car was parked once a week. My brother just nixed this for the rest of the month at least. Though this is a very tight knit and safe community (I'm a Poway High Grad), it doesn't make it safe. We were always told to exercise caution and not allowed to run alone. We had to use the buddy system (not that it made us any safer). I graduated in the 80s. I know people get complacent and think they are safe but as women (young and old), we NEVER are. Not even when we have our dogs with us.

They did say tonight on the news that they wouldn't comment further on the shoe and pedometer. They also cautioned us against spreading rumors and to verify anything we hear before passing it along. They don't want to complicate matters. Like TravelingBug said, it's not uncommon to see articles of clothing back there. I don't think it's just from the migrant workers who camp there. I've lost a sweatshirt or other items walking/jogging with my hubby before. When you are far enough into the loop, you just say forget it.

Prayers for Chelsea. I have many friends and family members who will be volunteering. I'll be in Temecula for a memorial or I would be out there. This is very, very scary. I'm hoping this has a happy ending, but bracing for the worst.

GourmetSoy
02-27-2010, 07:29 AM
A mountain lion crossed my mind when I first heard about this too. They can be anywhere, my Mom saw one while hunting in southeast Iowa and no one believed her.

nadjatheresa
02-27-2010, 07:43 AM
Yes, mountain lions are an unpredictable risk.

Best of luck to the searchers today. Hopefully there will be some good news.

nursebeeme
02-27-2010, 08:37 AM
The FBI is now involved in a missing girl case in Poway, looking into the possibility that Chelsea King may have been abducted. Investigators have taken Chelsea’s computer and cell phone into custody, according to Sheriff Bill Gore.
Friends, neighbors and family members joined search and rescue teams from San Diego, Santa Barbara and Riverside counties as well as San Diego police to search a web of running trails just south of Lake Hodges Friday looking for the Poway High School student who has been missing since Thursday afternoon.


Source: Missing Teen May Have Been Abducted: FBI | NBC San Diego

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Search-Underway-for-Missing-Poway-Teen-85480472.html

was this what you all were looking for? (re: the direction the fbi is thinking?) I hope she is found safely!

nadjatheresa
02-27-2010, 09:35 AM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Search-Underway-for-Missing-Poway-Teen-85480472.html

was this what you all were looking for? (re: the direction the fbi is thinking?) I hope she is found safely!


It is gut wrenching.

I hold out hope for Chelsea to be found safe.

TGIRecovered
02-27-2010, 11:00 AM
Please forgive me if this has already been discussed.

Has the possibility that Chelsea may have had plans to meet up with a jogging partner at the park been ruled out? Surely, there would have been clues on her cell phone if she had. Did she usually jog with a friend, or was it routine for her to jog alone? It sounds like a popular trail...wonder who else is a regular there, and if they have offered to help police with any observations?

KaylynnCouture
02-27-2010, 11:32 AM
I was really hoping to log on this morning and see she had been found safe. But, that's not the case :(

I'm really glad, however, that TES and the FBI are there and I pray that helps bring Chelsea home.

Not sure if this has been discussed, but has it been said if Chelsea has a boyfriend?

Blondie in Spokane
02-27-2010, 11:40 AM
I have to say that I am really impressed with the search effort to find Chelsea.........you don't usually see such a huge turnout of volunteers. I am so glad everyone seems to be working together to find Chelsea and bring her home.

LLLindsayy
02-27-2010, 11:51 AM
I found her FB page. I'm not posting, because of her age. It is private anyway.

glitterghost
02-27-2010, 12:00 PM
Its pouring rain, this is not gonna help things.

trigger
02-27-2010, 12:29 PM
Just checking into see if she has been found. Very sad. Please let her be found today....

Thankful for Tes and FBI are getting involved. Theres a family missing in Omaha where they are using unmanned drones, programmed to fly over the search area, equipped with cameras capturing thousands of high-resolution digital images from 400 feet above the ground. It says you are able to zoom into the image and notice anything that is out of place.

The infrared images can capture anything, from tire tracks to clothing to freshly moved earth, helping to guide the team's ground search on foot, ATV and horseback.

My thanx to all the searchers.

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 12:43 PM
The article below indicates that Chelsea was in her jeans. That is quite different than running clothes and definitely makes me think that this could be an abduction. Running in jeans is so constrictive that I dont think a runner would be comfortable doing 5 miles in that attire.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world/teenage-runner-chelsea-king-missing-abduction-suspected_100327363.html

trigger
02-27-2010, 01:06 PM
I wonder if this article is correct. Did she normally run in her jeans? So weird. I was thinking that maybe the rain would help her if she had fallen and was hurt, having no water the rain maybe would be a source to keep her hydrated or if she was knocked out due to severe pain it would wake her up.

Hope to hear some good news soon.

Prayers for her family and friends.

KaylynnCouture
02-27-2010, 01:09 PM
On Friday morning, a "reverse 911" call went out to Rancho Bernardo-area residents, urging them to immediately report any possible sightings of the missing teen.

Snipped from http://www.10news.com/news/22678790/detail.html

It sounds like the police are doing a great job using all resources they can to find Chelsea.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 01:32 PM
Please forgive me if this has already been discussed.

Has the possibility that Chelsea may have had plans to meet up with a jogging partner at the park been ruled out? Surely, there would have been clues on her cell phone if she had. Did she usually jog with a friend, or was it routine for her to jog alone? It sounds like a popular trail...wonder who else is a regular there, and if they have offered to help police with any observations?

They did look at her phone and computer, but from most of what her friends have said, she typically runs alone.

The challenge with what you were saying about being a popular trail is that it's really a network of trails. From the park there are trails that basically go out multiple directions, and each of those splinter off. It's not uncommon to pass people periodically, but even regulars tend to vary their routes. It's actually one of the things that people really like about that area.

There are several other places where that'd be more likely for someone running, including trails around two other lakes, but the appeal of the Lake Hodges/RB Community Park area is that there are so, so, so many variations. Just along the lake along there are 27 miles of trails - but you can take even those a number of different ways (and they basically don't intersect since some are on the north - Escondido - side and go east and west and some on the south - Rancho Bernardo - side). Then there are the dozens and dozens of miles that are not directly around the edge of the lake, but in the foothills and canyons. Some go miles back toward the neighborhoods (and even connect into neighborhoods) and some meander all around the rugged terrain. I know I rarely ever did the same thing two days in a row, as that was why I went there...to have the luxury of probably a month's worth of different runs without duplicating.

Unless someone stuck to the trails right around the park, which is unlikely for a cross country runner like Chelsea, it's unlikely there's be regulars that would know her from a specific trail. Just those who might start or end around the same time might remember seeing her start or finish.

But even that would be hard with someone like Chelsea. The school schedule for Poway means school ends at very different times on Wednesday and Thursdays than M, T, F - and as a senior, there's even more variance. So the chances of her even starting/ending around the same time to see others consistently isn't as high as it might be for others.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 01:38 PM
On Friday morning, a "reverse 911" call went out to Rancho Bernardo-area residents, urging them to immediately report any possible sightings of the missing teen.

Snipped from http://www.10news.com/news/22678790/detail.html

It sounds like the police are doing a great job using all resources they can to find Chelsea.

They really are! And part of that was helped by her parents calling so quickly once they knew something was amiss. It was under an hour from the time Chelsea was supposed to be home when her dad had already called AT&T, learned the car was still at the park, and then called the Sheriff. And the Sheriff responded and began mobilizing right away. Both of those are such contrasts to many cases we've seen lately, and hopefully that will lead to a better outcome!

And business and organizations are really kicking in with donations, awareness, and volunteering. For instance by about 9 am yesterday, local churches had emailed out the search flier to all their parishioners, which is huge since there are several large churches right nearby, and with many of their attendees living in the neighborhood closest to the park.

This really is quite a close knit community, especially after what we've been through with the wildfires. So we've got experience about rallying together and everyone doing whatever part they can do - and realizing that doesn't look the same for everyone...but yet everyone doing something to try and help Chelsea be brought home!

hndinglove
02-27-2010, 01:49 PM
That site's not local to San Diego and appears to be based in Thailand -- it looks like a site that translates news stories. I wouldn't consider this credible information.

The article below indicates that Chelsea was in her jeans. That is quite different than running clothes and definitely makes me think that this could be an abduction. Running in jeans is so constrictive that I dont think a runner would be comfortable doing 5 miles in that attire.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world/teenage-runner-chelsea-king-missing-abduction-suspected_100327363.html

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 02:12 PM
Extreme Rain is Pounding Southern California right now I dont know if this is also occurring in San Diego at the moment but I hope that they are able to continue searching for Chelsea.

KaylynnCouture
02-27-2010, 02:16 PM
I just got a message on Facebook from a member of the Help Find Chelsea King group. It looks like they are wanting people to plaster flyers of Chelsea and spread the word outside of San Diego (within a few hour radius) because in the event Chelsea was abducted, she may not be in the San Diego area anymore.

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 02:18 PM
I just got a message on Facebook from a member of the Help Find Chelsea King group. It looks like they are wanting people to plaster flyers of Chelsea and spread the word outside of San Diego (within a few hour radius) because in the event Chelsea was abducted, she may not be in the San Diego area anymore.

Does anyone have the poster to scan and post?

blossomfish
02-27-2010, 02:25 PM
Here is a link to one flyer:

http://www.powayusd.com/pusdphs/images/Chelsea%20King%20Flyer%208%20x%2011.pdf

KaylynnCouture
02-27-2010, 02:26 PM
Does anyone have the poster to scan and post?

A few pages back I posted 3 of Chelsea's missing person flyers that can be printed and passed around.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 02:39 PM
Here is a link to one flyer:

http://www.powayusd.com/pusdphs/images/Chelsea%20King%20Flyer%208%20x%2011.pdf

Thanks, especially, for reposting that one. It's got the most recent photo of her.

And yes, I believe the site saying she was in jeans was wrong. All the reports from LEO here have stated she was in her running clothes, and it was relatively warm at 2 ish on Thursday that she'd most certainly not be in jeans to run. Even athletic running pants would have been probably warmer than she'd have opted for.

We had hard rain earlier this morning, but it's not rained again for about the last 45 minutes. Looks like another 30 minutes or so before a hard batch of rain comes in based on satellite. Hopefully that part of the storm moves through as quickly as it looks like it might, and the searching beginning at 1ish (or a little after to allow for training) might get at least no rain and just the standing water and mud on the ground to deal with). Unfortunately we've had so much rain that the ground isn't absorbing it as much right now, so there's a lot more pooling, standing water, and silt streaming in the area around the park/lake/surrounding roads, paths, and trails.

LilysMom
02-27-2010, 02:57 PM
Casa de las Campanas, a retirement facility (senior living), is directly across the street from the parking lot. I can't remember when we visited there before placing my grandpa elsewhere if they had security cameras on the entrance. I could swear they did. Whether or not those cameras would actually capture across the street as well is questionable but it would be worth looking into.

The fire department works out in the park almost every afternoon. They play basketball, etc. Groups of people walk the trails daily on their lunch hours as well. It's just gutsy, imo, to grab a teen from a park that has frequent visitors some of them law enforcement and fire department. I just feel like this was someone who knew the area and the times that the trails were least used.

smither
02-27-2010, 03:01 PM
Does anyone have the poster to scan and post?

Flyer can be downloaded / faxed / e-mailed from here:

http://www.lrcf.net/missing/

The Laura Recovery Center is assisting with the volunteer search. Volunteers needed at the Search Center - 11858 Bernardo Plaza #200 in Rancho Bernardo. CA (behind CItiBank); Phone: 858-485-8502.

Volunteers needed for searching as well as to help in the Center. LRC training provided.

glitterghost
02-27-2010, 03:08 PM
Can we get confirmation on wether that was Chelsea's shoe or not?

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 03:38 PM
Can we get confirmation on wether that was Chelsea's shoe or not?

They're now saying multiple shoes, bags of clothing, etc. have been found in the searching, and while they've not stated it directly, seem to be downplaying there being any significance to the earlier finds. So I'm guessing it probably wasn't.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 03:54 PM
Casa de las Campanas, a retirement facility (senior living), is directly across the street from the parking lot. I can't remember when we visited there before placing my grandpa elsewhere if they had security cameras on the entrance. I could swear they did. Whether or not those cameras would actually capture across the street as well is questionable but it would be worth looking into.

The fire department works out in the park almost every afternoon. They play basketball, etc. Groups of people walk the trails daily on their lunch hours as well. It's just gutsy, imo, to grab a teen from a park that has frequent visitors some of them law enforcement and fire department. I just feel like this was someone who knew the area and the times that the trails were least used.

It apparently was a Casa security guard who has stated definitively that he did see her at the park at some point, so I'd imagine that anyone who may have had cause to have been outside has been questioned, and, like you said, hopefully looking at cameras.

I agree, the park definitely is a happening place at certain times. Between 10-11:15ish and 1:30-3ish were always my favorite times to go if I was actually going to be "in" the park area and running the trails that are in the park because those were always the least crowded times, and away from the times with bigger lunch crowds and before the afternoon sporting activities in the park.

There were definitely some days when I felt like I was being "watched" more than I was comfortable with by some of the workers sitting there in their trucks during lunch time - which was why I started going more at "off" times if I was staying in the closer park vicinity.

There were often park/city maintenance people there, aside from the very frequent FD folks in the park, and at the east edge of the park that is beyond the parking lot by the shuffleboard, Joselyn Center, and nearer the dog park portion and along the more canyon-ish area there were often officials who were trimming brush, working on water lines, cleaning things up in the dog park area, or getting things from sheds to groom the fields and ball park areas. So it was rare to ever be in the closer to the heart of the park areas without running across a few people, even at "off" times.

My own experience, going off of the trails toward the lake and the ones that head into the hills by the neighborhoods where Chelsea was believed to have run, though was that I'd always keep my cell with me because it was much more desolate back there on those trails (obviously part of the appeal, though).

I think the biggest wildcard now, that's really a new thing, is that with the new bridge (http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_43c93e57-8cd6-5e5e-a729-875b4b85a3b9.html)that opened last summer, Chelsea could easily have gone to run from the park area on the north side trails. A year ago it'd be less likely someone would have gone from the RB Community Park to the Escondido side of the lake, but now that great new bridge finds a lot of people crossing back and forth between the two sides. That opens up far more territory that needs closer scrutiny than there'd have been earlier.

Also, for those interested, I'm hearing the helicopter up again for the first time in several hours. It's also raining steadily now.

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 04:19 PM
Posted one hour ago.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/27/no-trace-poway-teen/?imw=Y

soyesterday
02-27-2010, 04:44 PM
This is horrible. The longer the time goes by, the scarier it is.
Where could she be?? :(

mamabear42404
02-27-2010, 04:48 PM
If any of you happen to be on right now or within the next 20 minutes, at 2pm (pacific time, 5pm eastern) I'm going to pray specifically for this search today for Chelsea, that eyes and ears would be open, that Chelsea would be found. Please join me if God puts it on your heart. I live in Poway so this hits close to home. And if any of you haven't done so already you can post links about Chelsea on your facebook, twitter, myspace.. just another way (and faster imo) to get the word out about Chelsea.

LilysMom
02-27-2010, 05:03 PM
It apparently was a Casa security guard who has stated definitively that he did see her at the park at some point, so I'd imagine that anyone who may have had cause to have been outside has been questioned, and, like you said, hopefully looking at cameras.

I agree, the park definitely is a happening place at certain times. Between 10-11:15ish and 1:30-3ish were always my favorite times to go if I was actually going to be "in" the park area and running the trails that are in the park because those were always the least crowded times, and away from the times with bigger lunch crowds and before the afternoon sporting activities in the park.

There were definitely some days when I felt like I was being "watched" more than I was comfortable with by some of the workers sitting there in their trucks during lunch time - which was why I started going more at "off" times if I was staying in the closer park vicinity.

There were often park/city maintenance people there, aside from the very frequent FD folks in the park, and at the east edge of the park that is beyond the parking lot by the shuffleboard, Joselyn Center, and nearer the dog park portion and along the more canyon-ish area there were often officials who were trimming brush, working on water lines, cleaning things up in the dog park area, or getting things from sheds to groom the fields and ball park areas. So it was rare to ever be in the closer to the heart of the park areas without running across a few people, even at "off" times.

My own experience, going off of the trails toward the lake and the ones that head into the hills by the neighborhoods where Chelsea was believed to have run, though was that I'd always keep my cell with me because it was much more desolate back there on those trails (obviously part of the appeal, though).

I think the biggest wildcard now, that's really a new thing, is that with the new bridge (http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_43c93e57-8cd6-5e5e-a729-875b4b85a3b9.html)that opened last summer, Chelsea could easily have gone to run from the park area on the north side trails. A year ago it'd be less likely someone would have gone from the RB Community Park to the Escondido side of the lake, but now that great new bridge finds a lot of people crossing back and forth between the two sides. That opens up far more territory that needs closer scrutiny than there'd have been earlier.

Also, for those interested, I'm hearing the helicopter up again for the first time in several hours. It's also raining steadily now.

I hadn't heard that it was a Casa security guard. Thanks for sharing that!

I agree about the bridge complicating things. It has completely expanded the search area and now the rain isn't going to help matters.

I'm just trying to think logistically how someone would have gotten her out of the park at that time of day (or before the evening search started) without anyone having seen something. Even if she was attacked, knocked out and then carried, it would have been hard to conceal that you were carring someone to your car. I can't think of anywhere that it would be easy to get her into a waiting car without anyone seeing. It just doesn't seem possible. Unless she is still back in there.

Have you come across anywhere when you've been back in there running that would be easy to grab her and get her into a vehicle?

soyesterday
02-27-2010, 05:11 PM
I hadn't heard that it was a Casa security guard. Thanks for sharing that!

I agree about the bridge complicating things. It has completely expanded the search area and now the rain isn't going to help matters.

I'm just trying to think logistically how someone would have gotten her out of the park at that time of day (or before the evening search started) without anyone having seen something. Even if she was attacked, knocked out and then carried, it would have been hard to conceal that you were carring someone to your car. I can't think of anywhere that it would be easy to get her into a waiting car without anyone seeing. It just doesn't seem possible. Unless she is still back in there.

Have you come across anywhere when you've been back in there running that would be easy to grab her and get her into a vehicle?

I've been thinking the exact same things. HOW???

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 05:23 PM
We had a break in the heavy rains pounding Southern California for about an hour or so but they are back now and coming down pretty hard with roaring thunder. What a terrible day for the searchers. Thanks to all of those who are trying to bring this girl home.

The search continues this afternoon see link:

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/rancho-bernardo/article_74fbafd9-6cd5-5412-b176-8100e8a0a31a.html

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 05:33 PM
I hadn't heard that it was a Casa security guard. Thanks for sharing that!

I agree about the bridge complicating things. It has completely expanded the search area and now the rain isn't going to help matters.

I'm just trying to think logistically how someone would have gotten her out of the park at that time of day (or before the evening search started) without anyone having seen something. Even if she was attacked, knocked out and then carried, it would have been hard to conceal that you were carring someone to your car. I can't think of anywhere that it would be easy to get her into a waiting car without anyone seeing. It just doesn't seem possible. Unless she is still back in there.

Have you come across anywhere when you've been back in there running that would be easy to grab her and get her into a vehicle?

If she went more the direction where the trails then splinter off toward the neighborhoods it would be a lot easier to remove someone there. There are street access points for most of those trails there. Obviously if she used the trail where it runs along West Bernardo itself more, too, that would be very easy, although there are other cars going past with varying degrees of frequency.

I know I often exit West Bernardo/Pomerado to avoid some of the construction mess on the freeway there, and that seems to increasingly be the case. At 11 on Thursday morning when I drove past there were a few cars and trucks parked on the West Bernardo lot, but not really all that many. Surface street traffic was pretty light there, as well. The one thing that caught my eye Thursday was all the construction/contractor vehicles coming and going working on the houses on Aguamiel still being rebuilt post-wildfire. I hadn't noticed than much construction/contractor traffic going through there as there had been that day.

The other thing that would make it easier to conceal removing someone would be that most of the vehicles that stop at the park during breaks are trucks or large vehicles. They are a lot of city vehicles, garbage
trucks, water trucks, landscaping trucks, etc. I'd say on a given day when I ran at, or started running at, the park, or even just driving past, that at least 75% of the vehicles parked/stopping/taking a break there are vehicles it'd be much easier to conceal someone easily in the back of and quickly make an escape. With people going out with blankets to sit, especially because things have been so darn wet recently, that would be another asset if someone had bad intentions.

What struck me was that the helicopter was doing a lot of low searching further south of the park, nearer toward north of the Duenda overpass where the canyon and trails run under the 15 and over toward the Escala road area (the windy street that goes down from Pomerado, behind Battle Mountain, etc.) That area is much more accessible by road, both from West Bernardo and Escala, and wouldn't have been the first area searched, because they began from the park and had been working more north of the park toward the area nearer Lake Hodges.

That's also the area nearer where I was seeing the constant bright light as if they were searching somewhere specific (although that was definitely on the edge of West Bernardo right on the west side, so towards the trails that go down past the very southerly edge of the park - really almost where that military crash happened over the edge of the freeway.

If you guys look at the photo here http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/article_e67448d3-ce87-5f40-846e-d1f90c55ed41.html that's where the trails go under the freeway to the east side by Escala and the Eastview neighborhood, with easy road access.

It's basically right opposite of that, on the west side of the West Bernardo area there where that constant light seemed to be, where trails go through the brush there before reaching Aguamiel and the neighborhood Again, obviously, with full street access.

The fact that they've had this many searchers out there constantly, and using infrared, and have been retracing the closest trails already and not find her leads me to think that this definitely is heading toward being an abduction, because if she were injured and somewhere off the trail, she should have been found by now I'm think. :(

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 05:37 PM
Thankfully it's cleared up a bit for the last 45 minutes or so with no rain. But it looks like we're about to get heavier rain again in about 20 minutes or so looking just a bit west of the park. We've largely been missed by the heavier rains going a bit northerly or south of us...thankfully!

If you want to see the satellite for the park http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?zoommode=zoom&num=6&delay=15&rbscale=0.5826826086956521&scale=0.793&noclutter=0&ID=NKX&type=N0R&lat=33.00999069&lon=-117.07289886&label=San%20Diego,%20CA&showstorms=0&map.x=426&map.y=217.5&centerx=458&centery=237&lightning=0&smooth=0&showlabels=1&rainsnow=0 Here you go. Zip code 92128 will center it at the Rancho Bernardo weather station which is just about a mile south of the road down West Bernardo from the park.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 05:41 PM
So many people turned up to search they had to turn people away! They're asking those who were turned away to come back tomorrow and continue to paper neighborhoods and businesses with posters about Chelsea, beyond just the RB/Poway/Escondido/CMR areas.

SUNDAY search starts at 9 am

All of the homes along the park on the Westwood side have reportedly gotten door to door knocks and visits talking about Chelsea and asking if anyone saw anything usual Thursday. It sounds like they've also done the homes right along the freeway (basically south of RB Baptist)

Poway Costco donated water and snacks for all the searchers.

glitterghost
02-27-2010, 05:42 PM
One often wonders how someone could be abducted in a public place in broad daylight. We as strangers to eachother in public dont know who eachother knows. If I see somenoe pull up next to another car and they talk, I dont assume somethings "going down". If I look across a park and see 2 people talking then again, I dont assume anything. As a casual observer anyway. As a sleuther I tend to run a bit more suspicious but just pointing out how much we DONT pay attention and were not being neglectful in doing so. There are ways to quickly subdue someone such as chloroform or stun guns. Its time for a whole new approach to looking out for one another and not being afraid to lightly stick our nose in someones business to make sure their okay. Its a big deterrant for a perpetrator to know he has been spotted, seen, or taken note of. I think maybe even a verbal acknowledgement, saying hello to someone you might THINK could be up to no good could prevent something from happening.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 05:45 PM
Missing Poway Teen's Parents Cling to Hope (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Search-Underway-for-Missing-Poway-Teen-85480472.html)


With hundreds of volunteers crowded around, Chelsea King’s rain soaked and emotional father held up a post-it note taken from his daughter’s bathroom.

“They can because they think they can,” the quotation read.

“We think we can bring her home,” Brent King told the crowd, clinging to hope that his missing daughter will be found safe.

So many volunteers turned up to help on Saturday that more than 700 were turned away. Chelsea’s mother was overwhelmed with the support.

<snip>

A $5,000 reward is being offered for information leading to the Chelsea ‘s whereabouts.

In stormy conditions, investigators focused the search Saturday on Lake Hodges after land searches using infrared technology failed to locate Chelsea.

The FBI is now involved in the case, looking into the possibility that Chelsea may have been abducted. Investigators have taken Chelsea’s computer and cell phone into custody, according to Sheriff Bill Gore.

AmandaReckonwith
02-27-2010, 06:04 PM
Work in progress, album for Chelsea:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/

mamabear42404
02-27-2010, 06:06 PM
One often wonders how someone could be abducted in a public place in broad daylight. We as strangers to eachother in public dont know who eachother knows. If I see somenoe pull up next to another car and they talk, I dont assume somethings "going down". If I look across a park and see 2 people talking then again, I dont assume anything. As a casual observer anyway. As a sleuther I tend to run a bit more suspicious but just pointing out how much we DONT pay attention and were not being neglectful in doing so. There are ways to quickly subdue someone such as chloroform or stun guns. Its time for a whole new approach to looking out for one another and not being afraid to lightly stick our nose in someones business to make sure their okay. Its a big deterrant for a perpetrator to know he has been spotted, seen, or taken note of. I think maybe even a verbal acknowledgement, saying hello to someone you might THINK could be up to no good could prevent something from happening.

I've actually been attacked in broad daylight, people who were there looking right at me from across the street, as I was screaming and struggling with the attacker, doing NOTHING. It's unfortunate, but it does happen, even with people there.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 06:19 PM
There are currently 31 teams of searchers out searching for Chelsea.

Reporting time Sunday is 9 am for tomorrow's groups. THREE copies of this form (http://www.savvyinteriors.com/chelsea/registration.pdf) should be printed and brought on Sunday if people want to search - it will speed up the process on Sunday.

They're asking all those under 18 or if the maximum number of searchers are met to please pass out fliers or tie blue ribbons around the neighborhood.

Helicopter circling overhead again.

They're saying over 1000 people showed up wanting to search today! Great news!

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 06:23 PM
I always thought of my neighborhood as being safe as I have lived here more than 20 years but that was not the case. I used to walk 3 miles every evening at dark. On one particular night a transit bus went by and made a stop at a bus stop that hardly ever sees any riders. A man got off the bus. He kept making weird whistling noises at me and I ignored him. I looked back and he had dissappeared or so I thought. I was surprised to find out that this man who cut thru a school grounds and jumped a fence to come face to face with me. I ran into the street as most of my neighboring homes had no lights on. Luckily for me a neigbor was driving down the adjoining street at that moment and he gave chase to the man. The man escaped by jumping a condiminium block wall. I have never gone walking alone since that night.

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 06:28 PM
Just read this an hour ago:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/chelsea-king-missing-thursday/story?id=9966194

cluciano63
02-27-2010, 06:28 PM
I can't imagine why they have not found her if she is somewhere in that area...I have not heard of such a search as this in a long time...so quickly generated and so multi-faceted. If all of these various methods can't find her then i fear she is not there. But those of you who are nearby can possibly believe that it would be this difficult? Is it that heavily wooded?

Curious Me
02-27-2010, 06:36 PM
It's possible that she was abducted and taken out of the area if they don't find Chelsea soon. She was reported missing so quickly, and the searches put together fast, and yet they haven't found her. I'm worried, but then again the search area is big. Is it possible someone grabbed her and took off with her in a car or boat?

KaylynnCouture
02-27-2010, 06:55 PM
Now that it looks like another day will go by with no sign of Chelsea, I'm beginning to think she's no longer in the area. With the police being contacted so quickly after she went missing, I think if she were still in the area she would've been found by someone by now.

Still praying for a safe return.

Come home soon Chelsea. :rose:

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 07:02 PM
I can't imagine why they have not found her if she is somewhere in that area...I have not heard of such a search as this in a long time...so quickly generated and so multi-faceted. If all of these various methods can't find her then i fear she is not there. But those of you who are nearby can possibly believe that it would be this difficult? Is it that heavily wooded?

I agree. That's why I think it's increasingly looking like an abduction.

As I wrote a few hours ago, I'm definitely afraid now that we're over 40 hours into round the clock searching and there is still no sign of her, that it's not a good sign.

While there are a lot of trails and areas to search, if she had truly fallen and gotten injured and was just somewhere in the brush waiting to be found, that between people on horse, bike, foot, atv, boat, or helicopter, that something would have led them to at least signs she had been there.

Most of the more heavily used trails are not all that obscured, it's just if you go off into the brush and chaparral it'd be harder to see someone or something. There are a few areas of bigger trees, but even the narrowest trails look more like this (http://www.socalmtb.com/photodir/photos/15h24x142625.174scok7fwo2s826)than totally overgrown. The bigger areas of heavy trees on the south side near the park were largely burned in the wildfires, so it's more like spotty eucalyptus and other trees, and lots and lots of chaparral-like brush here (http://www.mountainbikebill.com/images/Trails/LakeHodges/LakeHodges-11NOV03-19-Bernardo-ST.JPG).

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 07:07 PM
It's possible that she was abducted and taken out of the area if they don't find Chelsea soon. She was reported missing so quickly, and the searches put together fast, and yet they haven't found her. I'm worried, but then again the search area is big. Is it possible someone grabbed her and took off with her in a car or boat?

Car yes, boat virtually impossible.

VERY few boats go out on Lake Hodges, especially in the areas nearer the park. In addition, the lake is only open to boaters on Wednesdays, Saturdays, and Sundays.

There are very limited times boats can even go out at the lake, very specific restrictions on where they can go and how close to shore, and they largely stay nearer the dock and dam area which is many miles away from the park.

Right now most of the area near the park looks like this (http://mtbbill.com/cpg/albums/LakeHodges/normal_LakeHodges-27MAR09-02.jpg) with branches and tree parts sticking up out of the water. It makes it difficult for boats to navigate at all there. I honestly can't even think of the last time I've seen a boat in the area near the park.

In addition, most of the trails near the lake aren't really all that close to the water's edge. There are a few spots people go to fish, but you have to leave the true running/walking/biking trail to get to them, so that would also add to the challenge of that happening. That's one of the things that I don't like about walking/running near Lake Hodges is that most places have the paths/trails quite a distance from the water. You can see it, but it's hard to stop and take photos or really be down near the water.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 07:10 PM
There will be a special prayer meeting for Chelsea King tonight at Ranch Bernardo Community Presbyterian Church 17010 pomerado rd, san diego 92128
7:00 pm

cluciano63
02-27-2010, 07:15 PM
if she was abducted there is someone out there who suspects something...someone whose boyfriend, husband, cousin, whatever is not where he should be or had taken off for a few days from work suddenly, etc...someone who may have been acting weird lately...someone who goes to that park on some kind of a regular basis and therefore lives nearby and their relatives would have seen all of this media...i am sure calls can be made without caller giving name if anyone has someone in mind who could fir this profile...it would be nice, if for once, this could happen before it's too late so we don't have to hear later how so and so was acting weird, took off work, etc...

LilysMom
02-27-2010, 07:22 PM
I did a search of the area for sex offenders and there are a few in the crimes against children category in that area. One resides very close to where she disappeared (although I think it is a gentleman actually at the retirement community?).

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0
Type in California and 92128 as the zipcode.

soyesterday
02-27-2010, 07:29 PM
I did a search of the area for sex offenders and there are a few in the crimes against children category in that area. One resides very close to where she disappeared (although I think it is a gentleman actually at the retirement community?).

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0
Type in California and 92128 as the zipcode.


i don't see a place to put the zip code in?
where do u do that?

Chili Fries
02-27-2010, 07:34 PM
Right now I think being abducted near her car or a mountain lion attack seem to be logical possibilities. I'm not sure if there has been any info released on security cameras watching the parking lot. As for the mountain lions, as somebody posted earlier they bury their prey so it could be tough to find her for that reason.

Also, there was a healthy young man who went missing in Southern California recently out walking a dog on similar trails, although those trails were more intertwined with developed areas. Unfortunately he was found deceased, he had somehow fallen into a rushing irrigation ditch and had drowned. It took a few days to find him I believe. Are there those types of ditches in the area?

cluciano63
02-27-2010, 07:37 PM
Right now I think being abducted near her car or a mountain lion attack seem to be logical possibilities. I'm not sure if there has been any info released on security cameras watching the parking lot. As for the mountain lions, as somebody posted earlier they bury their prey so it could be tough to find her for that reason.

Also, there was a healthy young man who went missing in Southern California recently out walking a dog on similar trails, although those trails were more intertwined with developed areas. Unfortunately he was found deceased, he had somehow fallen into a rushing irrigation ditch and had drowned. It took a few days to find him I believe. Are there those types of ditches in the area?

yes that was the young baseball player, very sad case...but of course there wasn't anything like this sort of search...that is what is so mind-boggling to me, the magnitude of this search is overwhelming and yet nothing? i just don't believe she is in there?
I know this is very unlikely IMO but has there been any word on a boyfriend? ANY chance she was overstressed as many high school high-achievers are, and just took off? I wish this was the case...

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 07:37 PM
I did a search of the area for sex offenders and there are a few in the crimes against children category in that area. One resides very close to where she disappeared (although I think it is a gentleman actually at the retirement community?).

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0
Type in California and 92128 as the zipcode.

The one that appears to be closest, for locals, the address is actually in the gated neighborhood at the top of Battle Mountain (so a bit further than the nursing home, on the other side of the freeway)

There is one in Westwood, as well. The others are further away (down Pomerado near the Bernardo Winery), down off of RB, into Poway or the far side of 4S, etc.

On another note, it's absolutely pouring at the mometn.

LilysMom
02-27-2010, 07:38 PM
i don't see a place to put the zip code in?
where do u do that?

Sorry, try this instead:
http://www.familywatchdog.us/Search.asp

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 07:39 PM
i don't see a place to put the zip code in?
where do u do that?

http://www.familywatchdog.us/Search.asp

Try it from that page.

LilysMom
02-27-2010, 07:43 PM
The one that appears to be closest, for locals, the address is actually in the gated neighborhood at the top of Battle Mountain (so a bit further than the nursing home, on the other side of the freeway)

There is one in Westwood, as well. The others are further away (down Pomerado near the Bernardo Winery), down off of RB, into Poway or the far side of 4S, etc.

On another note, it's absolutely pouring at the mometn.

I didn't even click on the address, just assumed because of the location that it was at Casas. I honestly believe it is the offenders we don't know about that are the bigger worry. I would be shocked if a registered sex offender who is known to be living and working in the area had anything to do with this.

It's scary when they were on it this quickly and we have no answers. Her poor, poor mother.

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 07:44 PM
I agree. That's why I think it's increasingly looking like an abduction.

As I wrote a few hours ago, I'm definitely afraid now that we're over 40 hours into round the clock searching and there is still no sign of her, that it's not a good sign.

While there are a lot of trails and areas to search, if she had truly fallen and gotten injured and was just somewhere in the brush waiting to be found, that between people on horse, bike, foot, atv, boat, or helicopter, that something would have led them to at least signs she had been there.

Most of the more heavily used trails are not all that obscured, it's just if you go off into the brush and chaparral it'd be harder to see someone or something. There are a few areas of bigger trees, but even the narrowest trails look more like this (http://www.socalmtb.com/photodir/photos/15h24x142625.174scok7fwo2s826)than totally overgrown. The bigger areas of heavy trees on the south side near the park were largely burned in the wildfires, so it's more like spotty eucalyptus and other trees, and lots and lots of chaparral-like brush here (http://www.mountainbikebill.com/images/Trails/LakeHodges/LakeHodges-11NOV03-19-Bernardo-ST.JPG).

I beleve I read somewhere that they did infra-red searches from the sky for her at this park and surrounding area. Doesnt infra-red show heat sources if someone is alive?

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 07:49 PM
I beleve I read somewhere that they did infra-red searches from the sky for her at this park and surrounding area. Doesnt infra-red show heat sources if someone is alive?

Yes, so that's part of why saying if she were simply injured and somewhere seems unlikely.

They were doing infrared searches within hours of her going missing Thursday and have continued since then.

That obviously doesn't rule out if she had been killed or somehow died on the trails. But again, it's being so heavily combed, that seems to be increasingly unlikely as well.

More and more what we're hearing in the community is they're fearing she was abducted because of the utter lack of anything leading to her in the searching.

Chili Fries
02-27-2010, 08:04 PM
Here is a picture of a deer a mountain lion has killed and buried:

http://www.muledeer.org/assets/magazine_articles/2009/JanFeb09_MountainLionKill2.jpg

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 08:10 PM
KFMB (8) news at 5:

Chelsea's story was bumped from the top spot by the earthquake and local tsunami alert that was just canceled.

They're showing great pictures of all the searchers out in vests combing all over the trails and brush and some wading through water.

There were extensive searches on the bottom of Lake Hodges. They are out combing in line form.

Both of her parents spoke to rescuers thanking them for helping and pleaing for more help.

The Sheriff said that there are more extensive searches than he has EVER seen before.

They've talked to anyone with possible leads, others who were running in the park, etc. The Sheriff is begging for tips from anyone who may have seen something that has not yet been identified.

Search teams will continue overnight, and public searches will begin again at 9 am.

blossomfish
02-27-2010, 08:15 PM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30638423&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=332906438909&aid=-1&id=1080395991

Above is a link to a flyer in Spanish in case anyone needs it. It seems a little small but I think it could be increased if you save it.

LilysMom
02-27-2010, 08:27 PM
KFMB (8) news at 5:

Chelsea's story was bumped from the top spot by the earthquake and local tsunami alert that was just canceled.

They're showing great pictures of all the searchers out in vests combing all over the trails and brush and some wading through water.

There were extensive searches on the bottom of Lake Hodges. They are out combing in line form.

Both of her parents spoke to rescuers thanking them for helping and pleaing for more help.

The Sheriff said that there are more extensive searches than he has EVER seen before.

They've talked to anyone with possible leads, others who were running in the park, etc. The Sheriff is begging for tips from anyone who may have seen something that has not yet been identified.

Search teams will continue overnight, and public searches will begin again at 9 am.

This doesn't sound encouraging to me. It tells me they are finding nothing in terms of clues on the trail or information in speaking with the people who were present at the time that she went missing. :-(

Curious Me
02-27-2010, 08:33 PM
Yes, so that's part of why saying if she were simply injured and somewhere seems unlikely.

They were doing infrared searches within hours of her going missing Thursday and have continued since then.

That obviously doesn't rule out if she had been killed or somehow died on the trails. But again, it's being so heavily combed, that seems to be increasingly unlikely as well.

More and more what we're hearing in the community is they're fearing she was abducted because of the utter lack of anything leading to her in the searching.

Everything right has been done and very quickly. Chelsea has not been found in the area. I understand how hard it is on everybody to start seeing this as an abduction, but it will be necessary to start asking questions in that regard soon.

Here's some of the questions I'm starting to ask:

Is it possible that someone maybe from school knew her schedule enough to have planned to be there that day to abduct her?

Did someone see her leave her car and start off for her run, and abducted her soon after?

Are there places you can park a car away from cameras along the trails?

What about that Dec 2009 abduction attempt that happened in the general vicinity?

Did she have a bf? Any odd stalker types bothering her lately?

Her car keyes haven't been found?

LilysMom
02-27-2010, 08:42 PM
Everything right has been done and very quickly. Chelsea has not been found in the area. I understand how hard it is on everybody to start seeing this as an abduction, but it will be necessary to start asking questions in that regard soon.

Here's some of the questions I'm starting to ask:

Is it possible that someone maybe from school knew her schedule enough to have planned to be there that day to abduct her?

Did someone see her leave her car and start off for her run, and abducted her soon after?

Are there places you can park a car away from cameras along the trails?

What about that Dec 2009 abduction attempt that happened in the general vicinity?

Did she have a bf? Any odd stalker types bothering her lately?

Her car keyes haven't been found?

What Dec 2009 attempted abduction? We had an attempted robbery of a woman jogging on the trail in December, but I wasn't aware of any attempted abduction?

According to TravelingBug who has jogged there frequently, there are places the trails go into the neighborhoods where cars could definitely park and there wouldn't be video cameras. She also brought up some good points about the construction/workers with their trucks who could easily have an excuse or reason to have a large bundle.

I'm curious about the boyfriend/stalker angle myself. She jogged here often, but how often was she alone? They had been warned by the coaches NOT to be out alone but many chose not to heed the warning, as she did.

Supposedly, a security guard at the retirement community across the street saw her park her car and get out to go for her run. No reports of her keys being found. Since they found a shoe and pedometer on the trail, I would think they would have found keys if they were out there. Note that the shoe and pedometer have not been confirmed as hers. With the amount of searchers they have had and the sweeping they have done, they have yet to uncover anything (at least that's what we've been led to believe).

KaylynnCouture
02-27-2010, 08:44 PM
Find Chelsea Website Set Up

http://findchelsea.com/

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 08:50 PM
Everything right has been done and very quickly. Chelsea has not been found in the area. I understand how hard it is on everybody to start seeing this as an abduction, but it will be necessary to start asking questions in that regard soon.

Here's some of the questions I'm starting to ask:

Is it possible that someone maybe from school knew her schedule enough to have planned to be there that day to abduct her?

Did someone see her leave her car and start off for her run, and abducted her soon after?

Are there places you can park a car away from cameras along the trails?

What about that Dec 2009 abduction attempt that happened in the general vicinity?

Did she have a bf? Any odd stalker types bothering her lately?

Her car keyes haven't been found?

The school schedule varies here, and so unless it was someone who also had students or who had been following her, patterns would be hard to have...but obviously anything's possible.

I'd guess no one can be sure on the second question. Although if a security guard from Casa really saw her, then she had to have been running more along the street (West Bernardo) than not, because if she had headed into the area with the trails behind the park, the guard wouldn't have seen her...unless he was back there for some reason.

The area with cameras is the nursing home area and surrounding a few park buildings, not the bulk of the parking area, and definitely not on the street facing parking area that most people use. So there are many places you can park and not be near cameras...but except for the street facing ones along West Bernardo and trail heads, none of the other areas of trails are really near roads.

The 2009 incident appeared to be motivated on robbery, and from what LEO is saying, while they looked at that, this seems different.

None of the students and others that know her that I've talked to mention her having had any sort of boy in her life. She seems to spend all of her free time doing Peer Counseling (a big thing at PHS), band, symphony, and with friends and people from church. There's been nothing said about any boy being significant to her.

Nothing's been said about her car keys being found.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 08:58 PM
She jogged here often, but how often was she alone? They had been warned by the coaches NOT to be out alone but many chose not to heed the warning, as she did.

I agree.

Unfortunately, it's not at all uncommon to see high school cross country kids out running alone. Even at practice from PHS when they go for their runs over down on Espola, near Lake Poway, Blue Sky, back in Green Valley, Bridlewood, etc. they don't all stay in a group, and it's been that way for years. Granted other than Lake Poway or Blue Sky those would be heavier traffic areas or well populated neighborhoods, but still...it just seems to be a cross country running thing. And it's been that way at PHS for decades - when I attended there, and when I lived on that side of town. I'm sure since you like Blue Sky you saw some of that, too.

And Westwood neighborhood with all of the hills and trails, and Lake Hodges, Battle Mountain, and San Pasqual Valley are all favorite places for runners and bikers - students and otherwise, and, again, much of the time they are alone. Including students in obviously high school gear (school logos, etc. on shirts or shorts).

I think this is going to wind up being a huge wake up call that our generally safe communities of RB and Poway aren't as safe as most of us feel much of the time. :( Whereas many people wouldn't do the same just miles away in Escondido, they'd not give it much thought going out running alone down here.

Curious Me
02-27-2010, 09:00 PM
What Dec 2009 attempted abduction? We had an attempted robbery of a woman jogging on the trail in December, but I wasn't aware of any attempted abduction?

According to TravelingBug who has jogged there frequently, there are places the trails go into the neighborhoods where cars could definitely park and there wouldn't be video cameras. She also brought up some good points about the construction/workers with their trucks who could easily have an excuse or reason to have a large bundle.

I'm curious about the boyfriend/stalker angle myself. She jogged here often, but how often was she alone? They had been warned by the coaches NOT to be out alone but many chose not to heed the warning, as she did.

Supposedly, a security guard at the retirement community across the street saw her park her car and get out to go for her run. No reports of her keys being found. Since they found a shoe and pedometer on the trail, I would think they would have found keys if they were out there. Note that the shoe and pedometer have not been confirmed as hers. With the amount of searchers they have had and the sweeping they have done, they have yet to uncover anything (at least that's what we've been led to believe).

BBM

LilysMom, my mistake, sorry, I thought the Dec 2009 was an attempted rape not an attempted robbery. :blushing:

Most disturbing is the idea someone could park off camera and transfer a knocked out Chelsea into a car and take off. It could very well be someone who had seen her before. She's so beautiful and she's running alone.

I wonder how she carried the car key when she ran, maybe pinned inside her clothes or in a pocket wristband. I guess it's not that odd if they didn't find the car keyes if they're still on her.

Surprised they haven't confirmed or denied if that was her shoe or pedometer yet.

Praying for her Parents, Family, Friends, and all the Searchers.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 09:07 PM
Side note, it's POURING again.

KTGV (10) news at 6 pm:

As KFMB said, they're focusing all over the park and lake area. They've got resources from all over the state and they are ramping up efforts.

They started off searching a 2-3 square mile area. What they have NOT found (signs of her) have caused them to focus more and more on the lake and streams that feed it.

According to the Sheriff, they have ruled out everything other than the lake if she is still in the area.

Any suspicious people seen other times in the park are being tracked down and looked into.

They have worked and not let the rain hamper things.

They (the Sheriff Bill Gore's office) will not comment on the possibility she was abducted or if any items belonging to her were found. They are still trying to be optimistic she will be found.

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 09:08 PM
If the FBI is already involved in this I would imagine that they have already pulled the webcam tapes from the intersections nearby to this area to verify Chelsea drove herself to the park. I would also think that the FBI would not allow the locals to use all the resources they are using at the park unless there is good reason to think she arrived at the park. I would also venture to say that if they have not commented on the shoe or pedometer with anything concrete it may be that if this is an abduction they dont want the perpetrator to know what they know in the case. So, in summary it is hard to say what is really going on. But with so many dogs involved in the search and the search area so large I am inclined to think mountain lion. I had read an earlier news link that indicated she was wearing jeans when she went missing but I cant even be sure we are being given accurate information. I dont think the searchers would remain searching unless this is an active search or a search and recovery meaning the believed she met with foul play.

Also, if they are focusing more on the lake and streams it may be that they are looking for mountain lion tracks. But with the rain that may be hard to find but mountain lions do follow streams.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 09:08 PM
BBM

LilysMom, my mistake, sorry, I thought the Dec 2009 was an attempted rape not an attempted robbery. :blushing:

Most disturbing is the idea someone could park off camera and transfer a knocked out Chelsea into a car and take off. It could very well be someone who had seen her before. She's so beautiful and she's running alone.

I wonder how she carried the car key when she ran, maybe pinned inside her clothes or in a pocket wristband. I guess it's not that odd if they didn't find the car keyes if they're still on her.

Surprised they haven't confirmed or denied if that was her shoe or pedometer yet.

Praying for her Parents, Family, Friends, and all the Searchers.


Please also pray for Chelsea's brother, he's 13 and close to his sister and is just devastated about his sister being missing.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 09:13 PM
If the FBI is already involved in this I would imagine that they have already pulled the webcam tapes from the intersections nearby to this area to verify Chelsea drove herself to the park. I would also think that the FBI would not allow the locals to use all the resources they are using at the park unless there is good reason to think she arrived at the park. I would also venture to say that if they have not commented on the shoe or pedometer with anything concrete it may be that if this is an abduction they dont want the perpetrator to know what they know in the case. So, in summary it is hard to say what is really going on. But with so many dogs involved in the search and the search area so large I am inclined to think mountain lion. I had read an earlier news link that indicated she was wearing jeans when she went missing but I cant even be sure we are being given accurate information. I dont think the searchers would remain searching unless this is an active search or a search and recovery meaning the believed she met with foul play.

They have repeatedly said that they know she arrived there and changed clothes at the park, leaving her school clothes (and jeans) in the car, and changing into running clothes. I'm quite sure that Indian website you mentioned stating about the jeans was incorrect. They are repeatedly stating she is in running clothes and that her school clothes were located in the car.

They have also said she was seen there by a security guard from the retirement home, so I believe that it's definite that SHE was actually there.

My concern is that the on ramp closest to the park (though NOT one Chelsea would have driven through) from the freeway is really a small exit and only very recently has had a signal put up. It's basically a backway into the neighborhoods, and there is nothing (other than the nursing home or park) that would cause a non-local to exit there, unless they were up to no good. There's absolutely nothing business wise or anything for over a mile up the road in either direction, and people exiting there by accident nearly always are seen turning around because it really doesn't look like the road either directions goes anywhere but other than residential areas. (Just for those who don't know the area)

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 09:32 PM
This shows the view looking toward the freeway exit from the north that is closest to the park http://www.flickr.com/photos/pipilo/4242511387/in/photostream/

And this shows the road that runs next to the nursing home, curves around toward the main park entrance, but then continues past the nursing home and past the park where many people park to go run at the park just off of the main road http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2741/4242512829_79f2132181.jpg

The photo here http://rbvistadellago.com/media/277814-R3-E098x360.jpg is from the south looking north. That's 15 in the middle, the buildings on the left are the nursing home "Casa" (Casa de Las Campanasa) and the park. The street that runs along the freeway, past the nursing home and the ballfields is where most people (and many with the trucks at lunch time) stop to eat or park to run. The ballfield visible closest to the nursing home is the intersection where there's a small signal to turn into the park parking lot, but like I said, many, many, many people use the street to park or the lots along the main street there, instead of truly in the park area.

This is again looking across the lake, showing what a non-intersection it really is exiting there at West Bernardo/Pomerado from the north if you're coming from Escondido - and it's pretty similar if you're exit approaching south from San Diego. http://mtbbill.com/cpg/albums/LakeHodges/normal_LakeHodges-27MAR09-02.jpg

I'm still trying to find a few other pictures to help illustrate the area better.

KaylynnCouture
02-27-2010, 09:37 PM
I didn't realize there was a lake in the area. Has there been any talk of plans to search the lake once the weather clears up?

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 09:56 PM
This is a great photo of the park (http://www.rbgirlssoftball.org/Maps/MapNewArea00017071/RBGSL%20at%20RB_Comm_Park_4.jpg) that shows the parking areas - Along the road marked West Bernardo (with the nursing home barely visible in the top right corner) you can see the parking areas used widely by runners and people at lunch near the fields marked 4, 5, and 7.

Chelsea's car was back by the Rec Center building (and that's where the footage of most of the stuff with the Sheriff is taken) - which is used more for those going at more crowded times, for the basketball/shuffleboard courts, senior center, or the trails further out.

The area I was seeing the helicopter searching persistently, and where the steady search light on the ground had been yesterday is further south of what's shown here, down West Bernardo a bit more (just a ways past where it has the 15 shown on the freeway)

It also lets you see how many ways the trails splinter even just from one area. And those are just the very visible ones.

Those trails are largely clear (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2372/2326739009_3808e95f0f_o.jpg), like this one, which is why in the areas nearest the park, it'd be easy to find her if she had fallen and was injured. Further in is where it gets brushy.

This is one of the major trail heads (http://www.miriameaglemon.com/San%20Diego%20Bird%20Pages/Sites/Site%20Photos/P4082530%20Bernardo%20Bay%20Tr.jpg) that star in the back of the park by the Joselyn Senior Center. It's likely this is where Chelsea started out IF she really headed back into the trail that spiderweb toward the lake or the neighborhood.

This is West Bernardo Road (http://www.georgecooke.com/media/lakehodgesbridge/IMG_2850x360.JPG), going from the freeway on-off ramp, as it'll head up to curve around Casa (the nursing home) and toward and then past the park. As you can see, it's quite desolate and really more a shortcut used by locals who know the area.

This is the little intersection (http://www.meponline.com/images/commercial/b_casa.jpg) where you can either turn left (from the freeway) into Casa's entrance or right into the park's main entrance. That's the only signal on West Bernardo until you hit a few small businesses about a mile and half up the road.

blossomfish
02-27-2010, 09:58 PM
According to the attached article, the attention is being focused on the water now, since the open areas have been searched. There will be another search tomorrow - hoping and praying for the best for Chelsea and her family.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/27/throngs-turn-out-to-help-search-for-teen/

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 10:01 PM
I didn't realize there was a lake in the area. Has there been any talk of plans to search the lake once the weather clears up?


They've been out on boat beginning early Friday morning morning.

Despite the rain, they were out nearly entirely focusing on the lake today doing line/chain searches of it (or the areas near the park - the lake is huge and way too deep to do that in parts of it much further away).

Per the news updates from 5 and 6 tonight:

There were extensive searches on the bottom of Lake Hodges. They are out combing in line form.

What they have NOT found (signs of her) have caused them to focus more and more on the lake and few streams that feed it.

According to the Sheriff, they have essentially ruled out everything other than the lake if she is still in the area.

Curious Me
02-27-2010, 10:04 PM
TravelingBug, Thank You so much.

In the last pic, is that the new footbridge that connects the two lake areas?

I'd love to see a pic of where Chelsea parked her car. Would she have to walk on that foot bridge?



Oops, just saw you posted minutes ago. Thank You!

RubyRed
02-27-2010, 10:18 PM
Chelsea King Searchers 'Move Heaven and Earth' to Find Girl

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_chelsea_king_3_100227_mn.jpg


http://abcnews.go.com/US/chelsea-king-missing-thursday/story?id=9966194

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 10:20 PM
TravelingBug, Thank You so much.

In the last pic, is that the new footbridge that connects the two lake areas?

I'd love to see a pic of where Chelsea parked her car. Would she have to walk on that foot bridge?



Oops, just saw you posted minutes ago. Thank You!

Even though I know you saw, I'll still answer.

Yes, that's the bridge. She would NOT have had to use the bridge, and, in fact, it's unlikely that she would have parking where she did. There are places much more conducive for parking than where she did, and they believe that she nearly always runs on the south side (meaning not using the bridge) of the lake.

For those that didn't see it...

This is a great photo of the park (http://www.rbgirlssoftball.org/Maps/MapNewArea00017071/RBGSL%20at%20RB_Comm_Park_4.jpg)that shows the parking areas - Along the road marked West Bernardo (with the nursing home barely visible in the top right corner) you can see the parking areas used widely by runners and people at lunch near the fields marked 4, 5, and 7.

Chelsea's car was back by the Rec Center building (and that's where the footage of most of the stuff with the Sheriff is taken) - which is used more for those going at more crowded times, for the basketball/shuffleboard courts, senior center, or the trails further out.

This is (http://www.miriameaglemon.com/San%20Diego%20Bird%20Pages/Sites/Site%20Photos/P4082530%20Bernardo%20Bay%20Tr.jpg) where she would likely have started her run if she truly went toward the lake and neighborhood side for trail running as they believe...and it's the area right by where she parked her car.

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 10:22 PM
According to the attached article, the attention is being focused on the water now, since the open areas have been searched. There will be another search tomorrow - hoping and praying for the best for Chelsea and her family.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/27/throngs-turn-out-to-help-search-for-teen/


Read the comments left for this article. One poster American1 states his team found fresh mountain lion tracks on the trail today!

Maybe Chelsea tried to run from the mountain lion and got off the trails into the brush...anything is possible.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 10:23 PM
Someone's got Chelsea's disappearance posted on CNN ireport (http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-414488)...maybe this will help get broader news coverage!

Unfortunately it's still raining hard here...haven't heard the helicopter since earlier this afternoon :(

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 10:31 PM
Read the comments left for this article. One poster American1 states his team found fresh mountain lion tracks on the trail today!

Maybe Chelsea tried to run from the mountain lion and got off the trails into the brush...anything is possible.

Yes, anything is possible.

As wet as it is, though, and as saturated as our ground is, prints of any kind aren't staying long and are constantly being covered by silt and debris. Unless they just missed crossing paths with a mountain lion, it sure seems very unlikely this is anything beyond an anonymous comment on the article from someone wanting a reaction. But that's JMO knowing the area, terrain, and my experiences out here over the last days, and what they're saying publicly. :angel:

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 10:36 PM
Great photos of the lines of people waiting to get signed up to search today

Here (http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/rancho-bernardo/article_74fbafd9-6cd5-5412-b176-8100e8a0a31a.html?mode=image) and here (http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/rancho-bernardo/article_74fbafd9-6cd5-5412-b176-8100e8a0a31a.html?mode=image&photo=3)

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 10:47 PM
I really dont think the person commenting is looking to get a rise out of anyone I think others have indicated the cat possibility in this thread and some of those people also know the terain and park as you describe. But, as an avid hunter, hiker, horsewoman, I see an area that is inviting to a mountain lion. I have seen mountain lions up close and personal so there is much to be said for those people who have had experiences with big cats. My beagles have run them up trees on many occassions. I do know that although a mountain lion can take a deer down as the one poster shows a burial of prey...depending on the size of the mountain lion it would be quite easy for them to attack a petite woman of Chelsea's size or even smaller children. While mountain lions in California do not get very big in comparison to Utah or Colorado I have known them to attack men as well as females. (Utah has some very big mountain lions of record porportions that have been killed by hunters) But the rule of thumb is to be as big as you can when you encounter one (waving your arms, yelling etc) and try to tower over it as it will only see you are much larger and will back off of you. These cats often think that if you are taller than they are you wont be easy prey.

TravelingBug
02-27-2010, 10:52 PM
Here are two news videosabout the search today from KGTV. Here (http://www.10news.com/video/22695023/) and here (http://www.10news.com/video/22695056)

Here's KFMB's video from earlier today (http://www.cbs8.com/global/category.asp?c=155799&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=149659&topVideoCatNoB=155712&topVideoCatNoC=155713&topVideoCatNoD=155710&topVideoCatNoE=155711&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4580915&flvUri=&partnerclipid=)

Here's KNSD's video (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/station/as-seen-on/Missing_Teen_May_Have_Been_Abducted__FBI_San_Diego .html) from earlier today

This is KUSI's video (http://www.kusi.com/home/85513887.html?video=YHI&t=a) from late Friday night and KSWB's late news video (http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/?watchId=8760dfeb-7572-4818-b654-cc94b299b22d) from Friday night. Obviously these are older, but still more for people who just want to see more visuals.

AmandaReckonwith
02-27-2010, 10:54 PM
TravelingBug, Thank You so much.

In the last pic, is that the new footbridge that connects the two lake areas?

I'd love to see a pic of where Chelsea parked her car. Would she have to walk on that foot bridge?



Oops, just saw you posted minutes ago. Thank You!

Here's a pic of her car.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/Chelseascar.jpg

Ghostwheel
02-27-2010, 11:12 PM
At this point, everyone is just ruling out where she is NOT, and searching for anything that might be a clue to where she went. It's line search, where a search team lines up and walks the same speed from one end of their assigned area to the end, looking for anything (and I mean ANYTHING) that might have anything to do with the missing person. No one is supposed to say anything about what they find, for the missing person's safety.

Those trails do run into the backs of housing areas. Go to http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=San+Diego&state=CA&address=18448+W+Bernardo+Dr&zipcode=92127-3018&country=US&latitude=33.046343&longitude=-117.07366&geocode=ADDRESS and make sure the Aerial Map button is clicked (at the top right corner), and you can see how the trails go. There is a trail entrance at the end of Monticook Ct, I think (Been a long time since I went that way) and one at Moon Song Ct. In theory, if someone ran that way, they'd pass by those streets fairly close by.

TheMentalist
02-27-2010, 11:24 PM
At this point, everyone is just ruling out where she is NOT, and searching for anything that might be a clue to where she went. It's line search, where a search team lines up and walks the same speed from one end of their assigned area to the end, looking for anything (and I mean ANYTHING) that might have anything to do with the missing person. No one is supposed to say anything about what they find, for the missing person's safety.

Those trails do run into the backs of housing areas. Go to http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=San+Diego&state=CA&address=18448+W+Bernardo+Dr&zipcode=92127-3018&country=US&latitude=33.046343&longitude=-117.07366&geocode=ADDRESS and make sure the Aerial Map button is clicked (at the top right corner), and you can see how the trails go. There is a trail entrance at the end of Monticook Ct, I think (Been a long time since I went that way) and one at Moon Song Ct. In theory, if someone ran that way, they'd pass by those streets fairly close by.

Yes, I am aware of that but I think that rule is imposed because they (those conducting the searches) dont know what they or their searchers are going to find whether the matter will be a criminal investigation or accident and it is to preserve the evidence and protect the safety of the person missing. What I find interesting is that the Sheriff is saying we are still holding out hope that Chelsea is alive and we can find her but we are now concentrating on the lake due to the fact that infra-red did not pick up a heat source and our searches are telling us where she is not located. So if you were alive and in the water wouldnt you be easy to find? It sounds like they think she has drown? So, this is quite contrary in my opinion. I hope we have answers soon to her dissappearance.

SusanB
02-27-2010, 11:32 PM
Thanks to all of you for all the fantastic pics/news/links for this case!
Since I'm from 3,000 miles away, I appreciate the maps and photos.
I've just read through the thread, and agree with those who feel that if she was stricken or fell while on her run, she would have been found by now.
I hope LE is gathering all surveillance footage from around the area like the nursing home and rec center, etc.
It is time to look at her life - boyfriend, friends, cell phone records, computer, to see if there was any conflict going on. Any problems at home or school, any unusual behavior around her.
I am praying that this beautiful talented intelligent young woman has not fallen prey as a victim of random crime.
May God bless this family - give them strength and hope.
Please find Chelsea alive and well.:angel:

LilysMom
02-27-2010, 11:52 PM
While I agree that a mountain lion could have taken her down, I have to agree with Traveling about this likely being someone who just wants to get a rise. I also question how someone would be able to identify fresh tracks given the number of search dogs that were back and forth in the area and the amount of rain that fell today?


I wanted to add that I find the comment by ilovesandiego to be VERY disturbing. Since when are men only driven by an instinct to hunt women???
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/27/throngs-turn-out-to-help-search-for-teen/

Ghostwheel
02-27-2010, 11:55 PM
....What I find interesting is that the Sheriff is saying we are still holding out hope that Chelsea is alive and we can find her but we are now concentrating on the lake due to the fact that infra-red did not pick up a heat source and our searches are telling us where she is not located. So if you were alive and in the water wouldnt you be easy to find? It sounds like they think she has drown? So, this is quite contrary in my opinion. I hope we have answers soon to her dissappearance.

Once again, though, I think they are hoping to rule OUT the lake, but they cannot do that until it is actually checked. That lake is a pain to search because it has been so many levels at so many times. At one point during the years there were fairly tall trees where part of the lake is because the water had gotten so low, so there are a lot of branches and brush remnants in the water, in addition to still-rooted plants to work past. The water is also rather mucky to start with and with searchers wading through and the rain....it's just a miserable job. My hat is off to the lake searchers, especially.

TRL
02-28-2010, 12:01 AM
TravelingBug,

I had a question for you since you are familiar with the area, if you don't mind answering. :)

After seeing the pictures you posted of the park and surrounding areas, it seems almost crazy to me to think the security guard at Casa actually saw Chelsea park and get out of her car to start running. I could be wrong (and that's why I am asking you) but in the picture you showed where it shows the Rec Center, where her car was parked, and Casa at the very top of the picture, it seems like a pretty far distance for him to have been able to notice her, let alone be certain it was Chelsea. Am I way off on this? I know pictures can be deceiving sometimes, especially when it comes to distance.

Also, I'm not sure how accessible those houses are from the trails but is it possible that someone who was also "jogging" on the trail started making small talk with Chelsea and lured her to a nearby house for some reason? Just a thought.

TheMentalist
02-28-2010, 12:13 AM
Does anyone know if horses are being used to access the areas that people cant manage? This looks to me as if alot of this area could be searched by horseback.

KaylynnCouture
02-28-2010, 12:24 AM
Does anyone know if horses are being used to access the areas that people cant manage? This looks to me as if alot of this area could be searched by horseback.

I know TES is going to be involved (they're already in southern California looking for the McStay family who is also missing) and I'd assume they would bring in horses, if horses aren't already being used.

TheMentalist
02-28-2010, 12:32 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos/galleries/2010/feb/27/search-chelsea-king/

TravelingBug
02-28-2010, 12:45 AM
TravelingBug,

I had a question for you since you are familiar with the area, if you don't mind answering. :)

After seeing the pictures you posted of the park and surrounding areas, it seems almost crazy to me to think the security guard at Casa actually saw Chelsea park and get out of her car to start running. I could be wrong (and that's why I am asking you) but in the picture you showed where it shows the Rec Center, where her car was parked, and Casa at the very top of the picture, it seems like a pretty far distance for him to have been able to notice her, let alone be certain it was Chelsea. Am I way off on this? I know pictures can be deceiving sometimes, especially when it comes to distance.

Also, I'm not sure how accessible those houses are from the trails but is it possible that someone who was also "jogging" on the trail started making small talk with Chelsea and lured her to a nearby house for some reason? Just a thought.


TRL,

To be honest, I agree. I find it hard to believe that the guard saw her unless a) he was actually in the park (on break or for some other reason) or b) she was running on the paths in the park or the trails that go along the street which would pass by Casa. I truly don't think there is anyway that from the Casa property he could have seen her on the trails that are behind the park where they believe she was running.

If the weather's nice tomorrow I'll try to take some pictures for you after church to show the perspective better.

I don't really buy the fact that she went the directions of the Westwood homes either. There are far better trails that wouldn't bring her over there and it really just doesn't make sense.

Though, if she were running along the trails off of West Bernardo (the ones that are more parallel to the freeway by the street parking lots in the ballpark labeled photo I posted earlier) those would bring her nearer the homes that begin at Aguamiel. That's also the area where the helicopter and steady search lights had been for several hours yesterday, so that's not out of the realm of possibility...but still, they were more over the traills and West Bernardo. One one home is truly ON West Bernardo in that area, and it's the corner home on Aguamiel where the bulk of the post-fire construction is still being done on those homes. The other homes that back up to West Bernardo actually cause you to take a surface street to get to them, otherwise it's only big walls of backyards that face the street.

It's definitely possible that she passed someone also out "jogging" who struck up conversation and tried to lure her away, but it'd be hard to lure her into a home because they're just too far away.

Way up by Moon Song, etc. near the Legends neighborhood in Westwood, etc. the trails do get nearer to homes, it's just not a likely direction for her to have run, since the trails by the lake area are much more scenic and enjoyable to run. Plus they seem to have something that indicates her staying more near the lake or the trails off of West Bernardo than the ones heading more southwest into the back part of the Westwood neighborhood.

I'll see if I can do a map and mark it to explain what I mean :)

TravelingBug
02-28-2010, 12:46 AM
Does anyone know if horses are being used to access the areas that people cant manage? This looks to me as if alot of this area could be searched by horseback.

There are definitely riding trails in the area and it's not uncommon to see horses, and I know many horse riders had volunteered, but I've not heard definitively if they have been out. They do use them by LE in Poway, so I suspect given them using every other means to search that at least they are being used by authorities. I'll try to find out in the morning. :)

TravelingBug
02-28-2010, 12:52 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos/galleries/2010/feb/27/search-chelsea-king/

Thanks for posting those!

That is the area where I was saying there's the only home that actually is up against West Bernardo at the corner of Augamiel.

The path where the searchers are walking in this photo (http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos/galleries/2010/feb/27/search-chelsea-king/6672/) is just a bit south of where the steady light was last night, and then just east of that is where the helicopter was hovering a lot (surprising since this is south of the park and away from the lake) It's that portion of the path they are on essentially parallels West Bernardo for part of it after you get past the parking lots along the street.

TheMentalist
02-28-2010, 01:13 AM
Please also pray for Chelsea's brother, he's 13 and close to his sister and is just devastated about his sister being missing.

I have to say I heard on a news broadcast that Chelsea was an only child but I guess we are getting alot of wrong information via the press and the news coverage.

TravelingBug
02-28-2010, 01:26 AM
Ok, maybe this will help - but google maps is labeled wrong in a few spots if you use it (the Joselyn Center, etc. are mismarked - they are actually in the park area, not where indicated, just if you look at google maps) PLUS it looks very weird b/c this is post fire and so houses aren't shown where they are, and you can't see the trails as easily in places because the brush had been burnt at this point

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4057/4393554369_d6e3f24147_m.jpg I think if you click on the link (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48023608@N08/4393554369/) then you can zoom to see it better

The yellow money sign is where the reported robbery attack occurred in December

The two pink dots are the West Bernardo street parking and lots that are most widely used by people going to the park to run and/or at lunch. Those are on and/or right off the street so very accesible and where trucks often are.

The blue car is where Chelsea's car was parked (but it dropped it on the rec center building so it'd show up easily)

The blue placemarker with the black dot is the one home that actually is accessible from West Bernardo, so that shows where the only street facing house is, otherwise it's just the walled off yards, etc.

The red circled area is where the helicopter and steady light were last night for quite awhile.

The green bike is where the bridge now crosses to the north side of the lake to the Escondido side.

They were water searching the area by the bridge through to the 'finger' of the lake that goes behind the park.

Here's another view (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48023608@N08/4393554329/) http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2687/4393554329_7f4b67fb3a_m.jpg

Lindsaym
02-28-2010, 01:31 AM
I don't really buy the fact that she went the directions of the Westwood homes either. There are far better trails that wouldn't bring her over there and it really just doesn't make sense.

It does occur to me though that we should not rule out her deciding to take a route that doesn't "make sense," as it were. After all, if she ran into somebody on the trail who gave her a creepy feeling, she might have made a deliberate decision to head in the opposite direction of that person. (Just a thought!)

Ghostwheel
02-28-2010, 01:37 AM
...

The path where the searchers are walking in this photo (http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos/galleries/2010/feb/27/search-chelsea-king/6672/) is just a bit south of where the steady light was last night, and then just east of that is where the helicopter was hovering a lot (surprising since this is south of the park and away from the lake) It's that portion of the path they are on essentially parallels West Bernardo for part of it after you get past the parking lots along the street.

That photo looks to me to be just north of Alborada Dr. I recognize the four houses and the trees (on the east end, near the court). Its the trail that crosses the little stream/finger off of Lake Hodges. If you go west, that's where MoonSong and Monticook are. Still near the lake, though not the most scenic, but well within running distance. If you go east, that's where Aguamiel is, also possible, but less scenic still.

TravelingBug
02-28-2010, 01:49 AM
That photo looks to me to be just north of Alborada Dr. I recognize the four houses and the trees (on the east end, near the court). Its the trail that crosses the little stream off of Lake Hodges. If you go west, that's where MoonSong and Monticook are. Still near the lake, though not the most scenic, but well within running distance.

I could see her running to the trails by the lake in that area, I just don't see her running the trails that get into the neighborhoods...like south of Moon Song where it hits Poblado (where the other attack happened). Those trails behind the homes by the lake, though, yeah. I probably didn't word what I meant earlier clearly enough!

There are also the fire truck and SDG&E maintenance access roads that run the ridge above Legends (Moon Song, Sun Maiden, High Mesa, etc.) From my yard in Legends I used to periodically see them using the road there, but that was definitely rare and they were always careful to gate it. The paths that go up near that road, though, gives a great view of the lake, etc. for running. I could see her heading up there, as well.

Curious Me
02-28-2010, 01:54 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...arch-for-teen/


In the comments section someone recounted the Dec 2009 attack on a jogger nearby that area. The more I read into that account of the more it sounds like a possible rape more than a robbery. He knocked her down then wanted her money - she's a jogger, afterall, and you don't expect joggers to have cash or wallets on them.

I have read about today's search, but not much mention was made of dog searches. Were there any dogs out there today? I'm exhausted with worry and am concerned for the parents being able to hold up. What a blessing Amber Dubois parents have been there helping. It breaks my heart to see parents having to go through this kind of experience.

Chelsea has a brother, only 13. I will say a special prayer for him.

Ghostwheel
02-28-2010, 02:09 AM
I could see her running to the trails by the lake in that area, I just don't see her running the trails that get into the neighborhoods...like south of Moon Song where it hits Poblado (where the other attack happened). Those trails behind the homes by the lake, though, yeah. I probably didn't word what I meant earlier clearly enough!

There are also the fire truck and SDG&E maintenance access roads that run the ridge above Legends (Moon Song, Sun Maiden, High Mesa, etc.) From my yard in Legends I used to periodically see them using the road there, but that was definitely rare and they were always careful to gate it. The paths that go up near that road, though, gives a great view of the lake, etc. for running. I could see her heading up there, as well.

I was thinking of the Piedras Pintadas trail. It's about four miles round trip, goes up a nice little hill, it's one I would have taken. That's just one of the few places I see that gets near a road. Check out this website http://travismcmahan.com/hikes/Hikes.aspx?p=2 go to the Piedras Pintadas trail and click the little square next to the name. A map pops up and you can see a trail from the Community Center around the southern edge of the lake. The curve at the southern most portion of the page is where that picture of the searchers indicated before was taken. They were just below that trail, looking south into the housing tract. Check out the pictures, too, it helps to visualize the area.

OK, now I didn't realize the other attack took place on Poblado (I just didn't put 2 and 2 together, duh). That seems awfully close. Not that I think she would be running there, mind you, but if the person who attacked the woman previously frequents the area, he could enter the trails at the end of one of those streets. (not meaning to frighten anyone, just a thought)

TravelingBug
02-28-2010, 02:20 AM
Still raining.

Haven't heard the chopper in hours - not sure if it's because of the weather or because what they're saying, even hours ago, indicates they believe she's not going to be found on land in the areas surrounding the park and thus the helicopter wouldn't be useful.

KFMB (8) at 11 pm:

Investigators are staying out searching, even in the water, throughout tonight. They are saying it's amazing how much effort and manpower is going into the search.

They are hopeful that infrared would have picked up heat from her, and since it didn't, that's also part of why they are focusing on the water.

Laura Recovery Center was organizing the search with LEO.

15-20 FBI agents have been out going door to door. Boarder patrol is also out. 300 homes nearest the lake/park area have been canvased by authorities.

KGTV (10) at 11 pm:

Search effort not slowing down despite the poor weather and persistent rain. There is a special area at the search area at the park just for family and friends.

In and directly around Lake Hodges are the main focus. Dive teams combed the water and the helicopter was low over the lake earlier today.

Fliers are being circulated from LA to Mexico in targeted and organized efforts.

The outpouring of support shows how beloved she is to so many.

Authorities only are out tonight, volunteers not again until morning.

SDSU's drones are going over the area tomorrow.

TES scouted locations over the area for their search and will split their drone and search time between the McStay family and Chelsea's area.

KNSD (7/39) at 11 pm:

Authorities say they won't let up in efforts to find her.

Sheriff says more they search the more areas they can eliminate, and until they find her, they won't stop the search. They continue to look for any physical evidence for who might abduct her (words straight from the sheriff, so they're definitely looking the abduction route).

Sheriff Gore definitely seems persistent about the fact that they will find her and keeping looking until it happens. He comes across as really taking this personally and wanting to see it resolved quickly.

Amber's father was there helping search.

The family continues to be touched by the support.

Hundreds were turned away...they'll start again at 9 am (at 11858 Bernardo Plaza Ct., SD 92128), it'll help if people pre-print documents (three sets of this document (www.savvyinteriors.com/chelsea/registration.pdf))...and you can stagger start at the center to help with the backlog of people.

TravelingBug
02-28-2010, 02:21 AM
Curious, yes, the dogs were out again today. They requested no civilian dogs out to not interfere with the search dogs.

TravelingBug
02-28-2010, 02:27 AM
I was thinking of the Piedras Pintadas trail. It's about four miles round trip, goes up a nice little hill, it's one I would have taken. That's just one of the few places I see that gets near a road. Check out this website http://travismcmahan.com/hikes/Hikes.aspx?p=2 go to the Piedras Pintadas trail and click the little square next to the name. A map pops up and you can see a trail from the Community Center around the southern edge of the lake. The curve at the southern most portion of the page is where that picture of the searchers indicated before was taken. They were just below that trail, looking south into the housing tract. Check out the pictures, too, it helps to visualize the area.


I agree about Piedras, I used to run that from Legends, as well.

By the loop on Piedras is where I was meaning that then you can go up to where it hits the access road there on the ridge. The end of Moon Song is really the one place it's closest to the homes, though I think that one home on the end is one of the ones that burned during the fire. I'll have to drive by and look again to see which it is that's closest to the trail and which it was that burned.

On that map where it says South Lake Hodges trail there's another loop-ish area (not entirely visible on that link) that is another area where I could see her adding terrain to rain, and that's where I believe they were indicating the shoe/pedometer were found yesterday.

Curious Me
02-28-2010, 02:28 AM
Ok, maybe this will help - but google maps is labeled wrong in a few spots if you use it (the Joselyn Center, etc. are mismarked - they are actually in the park area, not where indicated, just if you look at google maps) PLUS it looks very weird b/c this is post fire and so houses aren't shown where they are, and you can't see the trails as easily in places because the brush had been burnt at this point

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4057/4393554369_d6e3f24147_m.jpg I think if you click on the link (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48023608@N08/4393554369/) then you can zoom to see it better

The yellow money sign is where the reported robbery attack occurred in December

The two pink dots are the West Bernardo street parking and lots that are most widely used by people going to the park to run and/or at lunch. Those are on and/or right off the street so very accesible and where trucks often are.

The blue car is where Chelsea's car was parked (but it dropped it on the rec center building so it'd show up easily)

The blue placemarker with the black dot is the one home that actually is accessible from West Bernardo, so that shows where the only street facing house is, otherwise it's just the walled off yards, etc.

The red circled area is where the helicopter and steady light were last night for quite awhile.

The green bike is where the bridge now crosses to the north side of the lake to the Escondido side.

They were water searching the area by the bridge through to the 'finger' of the lake that goes behind the park.

Here's another view (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48023608@N08/4393554329/) http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2687/4393554329_7f4b67fb3a_m.jpg

Excellent job, TravelingBug. :bow:

Yikes, the circle area where the copters were last night looks close to where the other $ occurred.

Sometimes I find it easier to type while I'm thinking so please excuse me if I ask so many questions.

What do you think of the possibility that as Chelsea was warming up heading to a trail, she sees someone she knows and trusts who offers her a ride or comes up with a story to get her in a car?

Someone acting hurt on a trail that she assisted and they tricked her into another area? A hit and run where they put her in the car?

Another commenter under an article mentioned some abandoned houses - do you know of any around there?

I hope you're taking care of yourself too. It's got to be stressful with all that is going on right there.

TravelingBug
02-28-2010, 02:34 AM
Excellent job, TravelingBug. :bow:

Yikes, the circle area where the copters were last night looks close to where the other $ occurred.

Sometimes I find it easier to type while I'm thinking so please excuse me if I ask so many questions.

What do you think of the possibility that as Chelsea was warming up heading to a trail, she sees someone she knows and trusts who offers her a ride or comes up with a story to get her in a car?

Someone acting hurt on a trail that she assisted and they tricked her into another area? A hit and run where they put her in the car?

Another commenter under an article mentioned some abandoned houses - do you know of any around there?

I hope you're taking care of yourself too. It's got to be stressful with all that is going on right there.

I'd say that's relatively unlikely.

It's really not an area prone to have abandoned homes. I mean, one or two for sale, but that's really it...and obviously they (homes for sale) could be (and are) any/every where. Westwood tends to be a neighborhood where people know their neighbors, especially after the devastation of the wildfires when so many homes there were destroyed.

There are, however, many homes still in various stages of being rebuilt, so they are more or less empty. Several of those on areas that back up to the canyon/hilly area where the trails run. So while they aren't abandoned, they're not inhabited either...some are more walled in at this point than others, some are really just beams, and some still even less than that.

Ghostwheel
02-28-2010, 02:40 AM
I...

There are, however, many homes still in various stages of being rebuilt, so they are more or less empty. Several of those on areas that back up to the canyon/hilly area where the trails run. So while they aren't abandoned, they're not inhabited either...some are more walled in at this point than others, some are really just beams, and some still even less than that.

And you would have to think that any of those particular house would have been checked by now. I'd think that would have been one of the first places they'd look, hence helicopters in the area where you saw the searchlights (where there are several homes being rebuilt). Now that I can "see" where the helicopters were searching, it makes more sense.

Curious Me
02-28-2010, 02:46 AM
Please light a candle for Chelsea with a prayer that tomorrow's search turns into a rescue.


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=CKING

TheMentalist
02-28-2010, 02:53 AM
I thought I would post a link to this article on 150 law enforcement officers turn search for missing 17-year-old Chelsea King from land to water

http://myvalleynews.com/story/45800/

I found it interesting that the dogs being used today were tracking dogs not dogs trained in cadaver.

Ghostwheel
02-28-2010, 03:02 AM
Just as an aside, I saw two of the tracking dog units yesterday, one from San Diego and one from Riverside. The dogs have a very nice ride, with their names painted on the side and I believe the words "Tracking K-9" on the side of the nice black and white SUVs. They are particular about letting people know these are tracking dogs, not cadaver finders. For any animal lovers out there, so they know the dogs are treated well.

Curious Me
02-28-2010, 04:29 AM
Let there be a break in the clouds today. Let them find Chelsea today.

belimom
02-28-2010, 07:50 AM
After seeing the pictures you posted of the park and surrounding areas, it seems almost crazy to me to think the security guard at Casa actually saw Chelsea park and get out of her car to start running. ..(snipped)...

To be honest, I agree. I find it hard to believe that the guard saw her unless a) he was actually in the park (on break or for some other reason) or b) she was running on the paths in the park or the trails that go along the street which would pass by Casa.

As a matter of procedure, I'd take a good look at the security guard -as in, "Who was the last person who claimed to have seen her?" This may/may not be the case here, but oftentimes someone stepping up like that could be the perp (or just someone wanting their 15 min in the spotlight).

OT: Some of you may recall that I've often recommended the book Protecting the Gift, which offers wonderful advice about following your intuition to avoid dangerous situations/people. One of the recommendations is to stop telling kids to find a policeman (find a woman instead) because: 1) policeman are rarely just standing around and a child may fall victim to someone else while searching for a policeman, and 2) children will mistake a security guard for a policeman. The author goes on to say that if you knew the background of many of these security guards, then that's the last person you'd want your child to run to when alone and vulnerable.

Just putting it out there...

JBmom
02-28-2010, 09:15 AM
It does occur to me though that we should not rule out her deciding to take a route that doesn't "make sense," as it were. After all, if she ran into somebody on the trail who gave her a creepy feeling, she might have made a deliberate decision to head in the opposite direction of that person. (Just a thought!)

I was thinking the same thing. I have mountain biked on the North side of Lake Hodges many times, and there are many hikers, bikers, & runners that park where Chelsea did (or nearby on the street or dirt lots) and then follow the street across the footbridge. From that point there are a few trail options that one could follow, and eventually end up at a boat launch area parking lot with a bathroom (just over 3 miles from the dirt lot immediately North of where she parked). That would be a good route if she wanted to do some "hill work" and then be able to stop for a drink of water/potty stop and head back. My husband and I biked to Hernandez Hideaway and on Valentine's Day. The parking lot at the start was packed with cars and plenty of folks were on foot headed North. There are a few places along route options that have tree cover/are not exposed.

I don't think she would have gone this far, but there is a parking lot at the end of the most Northern finger of the lake (close to Del Dios Hwy). I only mention that because your last comment made me remember last night how I was glad that I wasn't riding alone that day. On the way to Hernandez Hideaway, we passed by a guy at that parking lot who kinda creeped me out. He looked like a transient -- on foot, disheveled and dirty, with a black garbage bag. We said hi to him and he just looked weird (didn't acknowledge, just smiled in a strange way). On the way back, I almost ran into him just walking along - but now without the bag he had been carrying. I was surprised to see him since he'd been headed in the other direction when we saw him, and had made "good" time getting to where I saw him the second time. My husband caught up to me about the same time (he'd sent me ahead while dealing with a bike issue) and I was a little relieved. He just seemed "off".

TravelingBug
02-28-2010, 09:29 AM
Unfortunately it will have been a hard night to search. Unless it's significantly clearer right at the water's edge, it's incredibly foggy/soupy out with very limited visibility.

After church I'm going to see if they're still accepting searchers, and if not I'll try to take some photos of some areas that might help illustrate some areas I've not found photos for online.

Praying, though, that they find Chelsea in the next few hours so the morning search crew is able to go home celebrating she's been found safely instead!

Twinkle
02-28-2010, 09:32 AM
Sorry that I haven't read all the articles and posts. Has there been anything mentioned about a boyfriend? I think she is wearing a ring on a chain around her neck in post #7 on this thread. Does that still indicate a "steady" boyfriend like it did when I was a teen?

SoCalMom
02-28-2010, 11:08 AM
Here are two links to the attack of the jogger in the same park that happened in December.


http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Female-jogger-attacked-in-Rancho-Bernardo/wQY_KHtjkUWuBy3sHvcJiQ.cspx

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/rancho-bernardo/article_975772c1-e315-5fb2-9291-613f1f687293.html

I was listening to 10 news this morning and the reporter said that Chelsea is anemic and sometimes faints when she is running. The terrain around the lake can be a little rough, maybe there is a possibility that she fell and sprained or broke something and couldn't make it back to her car.

There are search teams out in full force looking for the young woman, so I am crossing my fingers that she will be found safe.

There was another similar incident to the December 2009 attack that occurred in September 2009 at Kit Carson Park in Escondido. A 17-year-old San Pasqual High School cross country runner was grabbed in the park by two males. The general description of the attacker in the December account has general similarities to the description of the Kit Carson incident. For those not familiar with the area, Kit Carson Park is located one exit north of Rancho Bernardo Community Park. The article regarding this incident is at http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_2aeec58d-38bb-5065-9c6e-590ec91b029a.html.

RubyRed
02-28-2010, 11:19 AM
Chelsea King Update – Sheriff Continues Search



http://blog.drivinglaws.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/lake-hodges2-300x228.jpg

http://blog.drivinglaws.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/king-line-rescue-300x223.jpg

http://blog.drivinglaws.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/king-2-300x225.jpg

TRL
02-28-2010, 11:20 AM
Sorry that I haven't read all the articles and posts. Has there been anything mentioned about a boyfriend? I think she is wearing a ring on a chain around her neck in post #7 on this thread. Does that still indicate a "steady" boyfriend like it did when I was a teen?


Twinkle,

As far as I know there hasn't been any mention of a boyfriend.

As for the ring on the chain, it could mean several different things these days, IMO. Now, you can often buy necklaces like that or it may be a ring she really liked but could no longer fit on her finger. I could be very wrong, though.

RubyRed
02-28-2010, 11:24 AM
San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said his investigators were working with San Diego police to determine if her disappearance was connected to a Dec. 27 assault on a woman at the Rancho Bernardo park. He declined to give details of that case.


http://kpbs.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2010/02/26/chelsea-king_t250.jpg?2fda506767b58ed02cfc53b8db969377bec8 c5c0

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/feb/28/search-continues-missing-poway-girl/

Formerslueth
02-28-2010, 11:24 AM
A Couple of observations & theories:

1. If she ran on the north side of the lake, most people exit the community center onto W. Bernardo and cross the bridge to the north side. That would put her running right past Casa.

2. If she ran south, she would enter the paths off the community center parking lot and there are many routes she can take from there.

3. Good investigators assume nothing. Don't assume she even started her run; and don't assume she didn't finish it (thereby returning to her car). Don't assume the north or the south routes; follow up on all routes as possible. Don't assume this wasn't an abduction. Many abductions go down in public locations, in broad daylight, with witnesses around, but no one seeing anything suspicious (people just get caught up in there own lives and are just not looking for anything like this).

4. Ask for a permissive search of Casa. The guard has no expectation of privacy. Management can grant the search.

5. The December alleged attack that was reported by a woman who entered the paths off of Poblado/Duenda, follow up stronger on that. The media had her running in the opposite direction of a passing caucasian male, who said hello to her, and then reportedly circled back and assulted her, with what she believed to be an attempted robbery. From the media perspective (and possibly SDPD's perspective) that case seemed to die. No more details; no suspect sketch published, etc. Leads me to believe they either doubted the victim's story, or another LE reason I won't get into here.

6. Where is she? If it's not an abduction, she's in the water. Sounds sad and direct (apologize for that), but suspects really like to dispose of victims in the water. Also, given the animal population in this area, her body could have been moved man times in the last two days, and not necessarily in one piece.

7. If its an abduction, she's not far (statistically). At this stage, a wider search pattern is definitely needed.

More to come. Would appreciate your opinions/comments.

RunningonEmpty
02-28-2010, 12:10 PM
Up until last year I lived in Westwood and frequently used to run the trail head off of Poblado between Moon Song and Smokesignal, and honestly I am in a bit of shock.

One thing that keeps popping in my head, assuming she made it on the trails was assaulted or otherwise and abducted, is that she had to have been dragged/carried a pretty long distance. The amount of active people in that community always amazed me, so I'm really finding it difficult to imagine this happening in the middle of the day in a frequently used area.

I know I am being a bit naive here, and assuming a lot of the story, but maybe you have some thoughts/theories.

Also, I know the thread has mentioned the proximity of the housing area, but I really don't think it is very close to the bulk of the trails and furthermore, I would think that moving her towards the houses would increase the likelihood that someone would see her being dragged/carried.

Desperately praying for her return today.

glitterghost
02-28-2010, 12:11 PM
I was thinking...it says she changed into her running clothes. Where? In the bathroom there? In her car? Obvioulsy the more appropriate place to change would be in the bathroom but she is a teenager and they dont always make the best choices. If she changed in her car I hope a creep/perpatrator didnt see her. I know I have been sitting in my car in a parking lot thinking all the other cars were empty and then all of a sudden see one drive off or someone exit a car. You cant always tell with tinted windows, glares from the sun, etc.

And Im sure if there is a suspect behind this, its definitly a local/neighbor. To be comfortable/confident enough to abduct someone tells me they were very in tune with the routes, parking, exits, etc. This is why flyers are so important, not just for someone to recognize the MP but so if anyone knows something or thinks they may know something but are afraid to rat out someone they know or love, they will be haunted by the MP's poster day and night until they do the right thing.

glitterghost
02-28-2010, 12:14 PM
Up until last year I lived in Westwood and frequently used to run the trail head off of Poblado between Moon Song and Smokesignal, and honestly I am in a bit of shock.

One thing that keeps popping in my head, assuming she made it on the trails was assaulted or otherwise and abducted, is that she had to have been dragged/carried a pretty long distance. The amount of active people in that community always amazed me, so I'm really finding it difficult to imagine this happening in the middle of the day in a frequently used area.

I know I am being a bit naive here, and assuming a lot of the story, but maybe you have some thoughts/theories.

Also, I know the thread has mentioned the proximity of the housing area, but I really don't think it is very close to the bulk of the trails and furthermore, I would think that moving her towards the houses would increase the likelihood that someone would see her being dragged/carried.

Desperately praying for her return today.

This is why IMO that its very likley something happened in the parking lot before or after her run and not on the trails.

Formerslueth
02-28-2010, 12:25 PM
This is why IMO that its very likley something happened in the parking lot before or after her run and not on the trails.

This would be a logical assumption and probably why we should be seeing LE assets being peeled off the primary search site starting COB today.

belimom
02-28-2010, 12:37 PM
This is why IMO that its very likley something happened in the parking lot before or after her run and not on the trails.

I'm not sure about that. Considering the isolated stretches of trails, I think it's more likely that someone knew her routine, saw her preparing for a run, and took off shortly after she did. Probably abducted her on the trail and her body is hidden somewhere "out there"... :(

The other scenario is the one you mention: abducted in the parking lot. In that case, I think she's probably not close by but maybe over the border.

Ghostwheel
02-28-2010, 01:04 PM
Chelsea King Update – Sheriff Continues Search


http://blog.drivinglaws.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/king-2-300x225.jpg
This picture is of the falls on the Piedras Pintadas trail. There is no doubt they are covering everything very well.

More pictures here. The PDFs regarding Lake Hodges have pictures as well as statements http://apps.sdsheriff.net/press/default.aspx

cluciano63
02-28-2010, 01:24 PM
I was thinking...it says she changed into her running clothes. Where? In the bathroom there? In her car? Obvioulsy the more appropriate place to change would be in the bathroom but she is a teenager and they dont always make the best choices. If she changed in her car I hope a creep/perpatrator didnt see her. I know I have been sitting in my car in a parking lot thinking all the other cars were empty and then all of a sudden see one drive off or someone exit a car. You cant always tell with tinted windows, glares from the sun, etc.

And Im sure if there is a suspect behind this, its definitly a local/neighbor. To be comfortable/confident enough to abduct someone tells me they were very in tune with the routes, parking, exits, etc. This is why flyers are so important, not just for someone to recognize the MP but so if anyone knows something or thinks they may know something but are afraid to rat out someone they know or love, they will be haunted by the MP's poster day and night until they do the right thing.

i agree and wrote this in an earlier post...someone knows someone who hangs around that area and who is now not accounted for or is "away" for a few days...they need to call an anonymous tip in, if this is the case, it is better than doing nothing until it is too late and we have to hear about how someone kind of suspected this guy or whatever...

SusanB
02-28-2010, 01:27 PM
Do we know anything about a boyfriend? Anything about her friends? Have they been interviewed?
Phone records/computer records?
Has anyone but her parents said anything?

smart blonde
02-28-2010, 01:39 PM
Oh no...not another young woman missing from the San Diego area. There is definitely a predator out there. I was so sorry to see this story in our news this morning.
I just now stumbled across this thread. My first thought was that Escondido is not far from there. Amber Du Boise (sp?) 'went missing' from Escondido just a tiny bit over a year ago.

I'm sorry everyone, I haven't had a chance to read the thread yet, (I will do so now), but I also worry that there is a predator there, and that possibly Chelsea and Amber may have been abducted by the same person/ people.

Lindsaym
02-28-2010, 01:40 PM
It just struck me that her Ipod was in her car. I wonder -- was it a big Ipod or an Ipod touch (i.e., the sort that you carry in your car because you can plug into your car stereo)? Or was it a Shuffle (the sort that you listen to while working out)? If so, is it Chelsea's practice to usually listen to an Ipod while she runs?

If the answer is yes, wouldn't this be a good indicator that something happened to her in the parking lot, perhaps as she was getting out of (or back into) her car?

I know this is a pretty obvious thought. But it occurs to me that this question (about whether she listens to music when she runs) should be asked NOT of her parents but of regular park visitors who might have seen her on running the trails on other days. Everyone knows it's not safe to listen to an Ipod when you're out in public -- effectively rendering yourself deaf is not a good security measure. But I see joggers doing it all the time. It strikes me as the sort of thing a daughter, thinking her parents are being overly paranoid, might lie about, to spare them worry. ("You're not listening to that Ipod when you're out running, are you?" "Of course not, Mom! Don't worry, I'm super careful when I'm out there alone!")

Formerslueth
02-28-2010, 01:57 PM
Door to door canvasing has begun to expand throughout the Westwood neighborhoods. This is logical move. Everone in the area should sit down and reflect on where they were Thursday afternoon, where they drove and walked, who and what they saw. Anthing could be a possible lead.

RunningonEmpty
02-28-2010, 02:00 PM
...is it Chelsea's practice to usually listen to an Ipod while she runs?

If the answer is yes, wouldn't this be a good indicator that something happened to her in the parking lot, perhaps as she was getting out of (or back into) her car?

I definitely think this is a good point and one that I have thought about. As a former cross country runner for MCHS, I think I can shed some light on this idea. Most coaches ask their runners to train without the use of their ipods and mp3 players because runner's are not permitted to use them while racing, so using them while training may affect their racing performance (if for instance you get "pumped" by songs at certain points during a run). Therefore, I don't think it would be necessarily strange that Chelsea left her iPod in the car.

TheMentalist
02-28-2010, 02:06 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/images/599987/8_64_022810_King8.jpg

Not much that we havent already heard in this update but it is nice to know they are working thru the night looking for her as the artcle reports divers worked all night on searching Lake Hodges

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/honor-student-chelsea-king-17-missing-after-routine-jog/story-e6frfkui-1225835413339

SoCalMom
02-28-2010, 02:10 PM
Door to door canvasing has begun to expand throughout the Westwood neighborhoods. This is logical move. Everone in the area should sit down and reflect on where they were Friday afternoon, where they drove and walked, who and what they saw. Anthing could be a possible lead.

If you live anywhere CLOSE to the surrounding area and have a video surveillance system, check your backups for all activity beginning Thursday at (or even just before) 2 p.m. I'm already reviewing cameras that point towards the street and natural areas behind our property, looking for anything unusual.

TheMentalist
02-28-2010, 02:18 PM
If you live anywhere CLOSE to the surrounding area and have a video surveillance system, check your backups for all activity beginning Thursday at (or even just before) 2 p.m. I'm already reviewing cameras that point towards the street and natural areas behind our property, looking for anything unusual.

Thats a very good idea...I would suggest that people even view motion picked up over the last few days/nights before she dissappeared in the event a mountain lion has been lurking around. They are known to stalk their prey and if they are hungry they may be even closer to residents than people think looking for small cats or dogs.

smart blonde
02-28-2010, 02:29 PM
Chelsea and Amber physically seem quite similar. Even the age range- just 3 yrs apart.

I think it seems most likely that Chelsea was abducted from the parking lot.

TheMentalist
02-28-2010, 02:33 PM
With the lack of evidence and the inability to locate Chelsea at some point the investigation will have to focus on her family. It happens all the time in cases. Good people are often under the suspicion light I hope it does not come to that and that she is found soon but as time keeps ticking the outcome is not looking good.

Formerslueth
02-28-2010, 02:59 PM
This would be a logical assumption and probably why we should be seeing LE assets being peeled off the primary search site starting COB today.

LE in these types of cases are not apt to tunnel vision when it comes to potential scenarios. Peripheral vision is always an advantage. Human nature naturally drives sometimes very uncharacteristic behaviors on the part of both victims and suspects. So any scenario here is possible. What helps shrink possibilities is evidence - both physical and testimonial.

I believe that if Bill keeps his assets primarily in the original search zone (and not expanding out), he has some indication (evidence) that she is in there. Could go back to something like the reported shoe discovery maybe. Could be something else.

That said, we should all assume nothing and continue our vigilance.

Formerslueth
02-28-2010, 03:03 PM
With the lack of evidence and the inability to locate Chelsea at some point the investigation will have to focus on her family. It happens all the time in cases. Good people are often under the suspicion light I hope it does not come to that and that she is found soon but as time keeps ticking the outcome is not looking good.

As unpopular as it might appear, family members, friends and associates in these cases are always initial people of interest. LE usually will try to knock them out as suspects as early as possible so that they can focus their resources elsewhere.

Not to say it's not a possible scenario, just that it is among the top of the list of LE leads at the start of an investigation like this.

Kelly Faraday
02-28-2010, 03:24 PM
Hello everyone,

Pardon a "newbie" for butting into the conversation, but I just read on another forum that a Sports Bra and other clothing items have been found. If true, it doesn't look good for this young woman.
I truly pray that by some miracle she's found alive!

Formerslueth
02-28-2010, 03:29 PM
Hello everyone,

Pardon a "newbie" for butting into the conversation, but I just read on another forum that a Sports Bra and other clothing items have been found. If true, it doesn't look good for this young woman.
I truly pray that by some miracle she's found alive!

KF,

Can you point us to the source of this info? This could be an example of the evidence I mentioned in a previous post.

Kelly Faraday
02-28-2010, 03:34 PM
Yes. I'm not sure I can mention the name of the other board but it's the former Court TV forum.

RubyRed
02-28-2010, 03:38 PM
I think this is the post.

In Session Message Boards - View Single Post - Chelsea King, 17, San Diego, 2/25

TheMentalist
02-28-2010, 03:43 PM
Im not sure this is the latest news now...it appears that this is what was found on Day 1 of the search although this is being reported as 2 hours ago.

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/breaking-sports-bra-found-may-belong-to-chelsea-king/

blossomfish
02-28-2010, 03:44 PM
http://nctimes.com/news/local/rancho-bernardo/article_74fbafd9-6cd5-5412-b176-8100e8a0a31a.html?mode=comments

I find the comments by "Mesmerized" to be a little strange...

LilysMom
02-28-2010, 03:46 PM
It does occur to me though that we should not rule out her deciding to take a route that doesn't "make sense," as it were. After all, if she ran into somebody on the trail who gave her a creepy feeling, she might have made a deliberate decision to head in the opposite direction of that person. (Just a thought!)

This is a good point as I've actually done this a few times before. Even when I have my dog with me, I've veered off when someone didn't feel "right". I've done this on the trail as well as when I'm walking in the neighborhood.

RubyRed
02-28-2010, 03:48 PM
http://www.wtvm.com/Global/story.asp?S=12059304

This is the latest I can find and it does not mention anything that is in the above article.

Curious Me
02-28-2010, 03:52 PM
Hello everyone,

Pardon a "newbie" for butting into the conversation, but I just read on another forum that a Sports Bra and other clothing items have been found. If true, it doesn't look good for this young woman.
I truly pray that by some miracle she's found alive!

WELCOME TO WEBSLEUTHS KELLY FARADAY. Thanks for sharing what info you have.

Kelly Faraday
02-28-2010, 04:01 PM
I rarely have time to post but often check the boards for updates on various cases. I hope and pray that another family isn't about to go through the same nightmare so many others have endured.

Forgive me if I posted something that turns out to be merely a rumour. I will return to "lurk mode" now.

Kelly

AmandaReckonwith
02-28-2010, 04:01 PM
So far, Steph Watts is the only one saying anything about a sports bra.
Not one thing in any msm.

Steph says he is on scene though, who knows. I can't see him putting that out unless it's true.

KaylynnCouture
02-28-2010, 04:02 PM
Welcome to Websleuths, KellyFaraday. :)

AmandaReckonwith
02-28-2010, 04:02 PM
Don't lurk, Kelly! Welcome.

Curious Me
02-28-2010, 04:09 PM
Here's a pic of her car.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/Chelseascar.jpg

It looks like there is always activity in that area. Someone must have seen something that would help. Please come forward. Please, we have to find Chelsea.

RunningonEmpty
02-28-2010, 04:09 PM
I just wanted to repost the link to the San Diego County Sheriff and Escondido Police audio found online. I have been listening all day, they report frequently on the search groups.

This is the link ---> http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=219 I have been listening to the feed entitled "North San Diego County Sheriff and Escondido Police"

TheMentalist
02-28-2010, 04:19 PM
Does anyone know if the park is closed and what if any plans do they have to open it up? Are the areas that have been searched open to the public yet?

TravelingBug
02-28-2010, 04:48 PM
Does anyone know if the park is closed and what if any plans do they have to open it up? Are the areas that have been searched open to the public yet?

The park is partially closed.

You CAN park along West Bernardo and access that front area, the dog park, and the back area where her car was parked, the Rec Center and Joselyn Center buildings are, and where the trails they believe she was on begin are ALL closed off.

Whereas yesterday they were letting people down there who were searching, they're now limiting it.

Cops are all along West Bernardo - sheriffs, SDPD, and volunteer patrols. The signal at Casa is closed off with multiple LEO there only letting very specified people through.

I've also been told they are now only letting certain people search the trails at all now, and they're sending most everyone to canvas neighborhoods and put signs and ribbons up.

The north side of the lake IS open, including all the trails. The foot/bike bridge across IS open. There were people on bikes and out running and with dogs walking on that side but they are NOT letting that happen on the south side.

More to come in just a minute - as I had just been over there.

TheMentalist
02-28-2010, 04:55 PM
The park is partially closed.

You CAN park along West Bernardo and access that front area, the dog park, and the back area where her car was parked, the Rec Center and Joselyn Center buildings are, and where the trails they believe she was on begin are ALL closed off.

Whereas yesterday they were letting people down there who were searching, they're now limiting it.

Cops are all along West Bernardo - sheriffs, SDPD, and volunteer patrols. The signal at Casa is closed off with multiple LEO there only letting very specified people through.

I've also been told they are now only letting certain people search the trails at all now, and they're sending most everyone to canvas neighborhoods and put signs and ribbons up.

The north side of the lake IS open, including all the trails. The foot/bike bridge across IS open. There were people on bikes and out running and with dogs walking on that side but they are NOT letting that happen on the south side.

More to come in just a minute - as I had just been over there.

Thank you for that information TravelingBug. I have never been to the park and all the photos and information you have been adding makes me want to visit the park in the future. While I am not talking about right now I am wanting to explore it as it looks beautiful in the photos. I am not wanting to join the search or anything just enjoy the great outdoors.