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Angel Who Cares
03-11-2010, 07:13 PM
Found Deceased FL- Somer Renee Thompson, Orange Park, Thread #40

Contine here!


*Added for easy quick reference for everyone! :wink:

Harrell Appears In Court On Molestation Charges
Neighbors Of Somer Thompson Watch Case Closely
POSTED: 4:10 pm EST March 10, 2010
UPDATED: 4:53 pm EST March 10, 2010
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The court appearance came one month after Jarred Harrell was arrested. Police said he took lewd pictures of a girl younger than 12 years old inside his bedroom. Harrell pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Harrell didn't say anything in court on Wednesday. He's faces 55 charges in connection with the case.

In the latest documents released, they indicate Harrell took pictures of a young girl around the same age as Somer Thompson in a bedroom in the home on Gano Avenue. That's not far from where Somer was last seen in October. In some of the pictures, authorities said Harrell's hands are visible.

Neighbors hope Harrell will soon no longer be person of interest in the slaying of Somer. They want him to become the primary suspect. "Knowing that 55 charges of child molestation and videos and things like that, it turns my stomach because I have young kids," neighbor Doug Cline said.

After Harrell's arraignment, he was returned back to his isolation cell. He remains jailed without bond and is already looking at a life sentence in prison.

A memorial remains near Somer Thompson's home.
http://www.wesh.com/2010/0310/22801217_640X480.jpg

Video: Harrell Appears In Court On Molestation Charges
http://www.wesh.com/video/22800737/index.html

Article:
http://www.wesh.com/news/22800665/detail.html
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Harrel Pleads Not Guilty To New Charges
Suspicions Surround Person Of Interest In Somer Thompson Case
POSTED: 12:02 pm EST March 10, 2010
UPDATED: 12:46 pm EST March 10, 2010
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The only person of interest in the killing of a Clay County girl spent his morning in court Wednesday. Jarred Harrel pleaded not guilty to child molestation charges unrelated to Somer Thompson.

Harrell is not charged with Somer's death, but speculation against him is growing as these additional charges involve his interactions with a girl around the same age as Somer. Suspicion now in Somer's community is growing as the charges mount against Harrell.

Article:
http://www.wesh.com/news/22797536/detail.html
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Person Of Interest In Somer Thompson Case In Court
Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:22:59 PM
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The person of interest in the Somer Thompson murder case pleaded not guilty Wednesday to a slew of new charges unrelated to Thompson's death. A Jacksonville television station is reporting that Jarred Harrell is now officially facing 55 charges involving possession and production of child pornography and lewd molestation.

Clay County prosecutors say the new charges are related to a 3-year-old girl who Harrell is accused of molesting. Court records show the photos and video were all taken inside his parents’ home on Gano Avenue in Orange Park. That’s the same street Somer Thompson was last seen before she disappeared in October while walking home from school.

Video: Person Of Interest In Court
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=Harrellincourt_031020100554&cat=Local&title=Person Of Interest In Court

Article:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/3/10/person_of_interest_in_somer_thompson_case_in_court .html
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Harrell pleads not guilty to child porn, molestation charges
Person of interest in Somer Thompson slaying received jail visit from mother, records show
Story updated at 5:24 PM on Wednesday, Mar. 10, 2010
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Jarred Harrell pleaded not guilty Wednesday morning in Clay County court to 55 counts of child pornography, including two counts of molesting a young girl. His next court appearance was set for April 8.

This morning's one-minute arraignment involved two separate cases in which Harrell is represented by the public defender's office. Assistant public defender Kate Bedell, who heads the agency's office in Clay County, stood next to Harrell and entered the not guilty pleas before Circuit Judge John Skinner.

Clay County jail records released to The Times-Union today show that Harrell has had two sets of visitors: his public defenders and, last week, his mother, Annis Dailey. Those meetings were not recorded, authorities said. Dailey, in a phone call she had with her son when he was being held in Mississippi, spoke of providing him an alibi if he was ever charged in the Somer Thompson case. Dailey has not returned several Times-Union messages seeking comment.

Jarred Harrell lowers his head during an appearance at the Clay County Courthouse on Wednesday morning in Green Cove Springs. Harrell pleaded not guilty on multiple child porn charges.
http://jacksonville.com/files/imagecache/story_slideshow_thumb/editorial/images/additional/106/met_1HarrellArraignm.jpg

Article:
http://jacksonville.com/community/clay/2010-03-10/story/harrell_pleads_not_guilty_to_child_porn_molestatio n_charges
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UPDATED: Trash truck backup caused delay in Somer search
Backup of trash trucks, lack of space at a Clay waste station led to authorities’ decision.
Story updated at 7:34 AM on Thursday, Mar. 11, 2010
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Somer Thompson’s body may have been found at a Clay County trash site rather than a Georgia landfill if not for a decision to end the local search primarily because of a backup of trash trucks, records and an interview with the county manager show.

An agreement by Alan Altman, Clay’s director of environmental services, and sheriff’s deputies combing the trash site on Oct. 20 ended the search, County Manager Fritz Behring said. That prevented an immediate opportunity to find the truck that picked up Somer’s body, learn the truck’s route and possibly narrow the location where she was killed and dumped.

Investigators later tried to identify the specific trash truck after Somer’s body was found Oct. 21, two days after she disappeared. The Sheriff’s Office said that search, which they called a potential key to helping solve the case, was complicated because the body had been mixed with tons of trash transferred from the Clay site to the Chesser Island Road landfill in Folkston, Ga. A further complication: Behring said there are no known records of which trash trucks were unloaded into which of the tractor-trailers that were hauled to Georgia the next day.

Davis, 59, said he saw a group of people, including some deputies, leave the building in the afternoon, shed their boots and drive off. Davis said he took that as a sign Somer had been found elsewhere. He said he was puzzled after later learning Somer hadn’t been found at that time.

“If they would have kept on searching they probably would have found her before they found her in Georgia,” Davis said.
*Much More At Link!

Article:
http://jacksonville.com/community/clay/2010-03-10/story/trash_backup_caused_delay_in_somer_thompson_search
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Video: Harrell Pleads Not Guilty On 55 Charges
http://www.news4jax.com/video/22801775/index.html

UPDATED Court Documents:
PDF: Jarred Harrell Jail Documents (Early March)
http://www.news4jax.com/download/2010/0310/22801127.pdf

PDF: Jarred Harrell Jail Documents (February)
http://www.news4jax.com/download/2010/0301/22708448.pdf

PDF: New Arrest Report: Harrell Charged With Molestation
http://www.news4jax.com/download/2010/0224/22661218.pdf

PDF: Harrell - Clay County Booking Sheet
http://www.news4jax.com/download/2010/0224/22656983.pdf

PDF: Harrell - Mississippi Rendition Warrant
http://www.news4jax.com/download/2010/0223/22639648.pdf
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Harrell's charging document, filed Tuesday, revealed he is now facing 26 counts stemming from 12 photos and one video police say they found in a camera in Harrell's Callahan home. He also faces 29 counts of possession.
OFFICIAL CHARGING PAPERS (WARNING: DETAILS ARE GRAPHIC AND EXPLICIT)
http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/030910_Harrell.pdf
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Video: Harrell: New Charges 3/10/10 1:35
Jarred Harrell, the person of interest in the murder of Somer Thompson, faces additional charges.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=36844@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Video: Harrell Pleads Not Guilty 3/10/10 2:03
Jarred Harrell, the person of interest in Somer Thompson's murder, pled "not guilty" to 55 counts of possessing child pornography, making child pornography and molestation Wednesday morning.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=36848@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Video: Harrell: Not Guilty Plea 3/10/10 2:40
JARRED HARRELL HAS PLED NOT GUILTY TO CHILD PORN CHARGES
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=36851@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Video: Harrell: Not guilty plea 3/10/10 1:29
Jarred Harrell made an appearance in court on Wednesday to offer a plea of not guilty to 55 counts of child molestation and pornography
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=36856@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IysAIMC1MlY
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Harrell's Ex-Stepdad Talks Somer Case
Joseph Newman Writes Letter To Channel 4 About Former Stepson
POSTED: Thursday, March 11, 2010
UPDATED: 4:00 pm EST March 11, 2010
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Joseph Newman, who made headlines more than 20 years ago for marrying Jarred Harrell's mother and for marrying his 8-year-old sister, sent a one-page letter to Channel 4 talking about his former stepson and Somer Thompson.

In the letter Newman sent to Channel 4's Adam Landau in response, he said, "During the short time I was with Jarred, I found a child that was wanting love and guidance. I tried to give that to him." Newman also wrote, "I hope Jarred is not guilty of killing the sweet Somer girl. I personally would not have thought the Jarred I knew capable of doing such. I hope all involved will make absolute proof he is guilty before damning him."

The letter also addresses Harrell's mother's fight for custody. "I was in court in (Harrell's mother) Annis' behalf to keep Jarred's father from getting the children," Newman wrote. "While I was on the stand, God did such an astounding miracle that the judge dismissed the court. The attorney who was representing Jarred's father walked out of the court saying that he no longer represented him."

PDF Document: Letter By Jarred Harrell's Ex-Stepdad To Channel 4
http://www.news4jax.com/download/2010/0311/22811825.pdf

Article:
http://www.news4jax.com/news/22811454/detail.html
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Video: Person Of Interest In Somer Case Faces More Charges 1:25
The only person of interest in the killing of Jacksonville-area girl Somer Thompson is facing new charges.
http://www.wesh.com/video/22794628/index.html

Video: Person Of Interest In Somer Case May Face Judge 1:44
http://www.wesh.com/video/22654928/index.html

:angel:

Dr.Fessel
03-11-2010, 07:57 PM
TY Angel!!!

Kimberlyd125
03-11-2010, 07:57 PM
Thanks for starting a new thread for us Angel!

Maybe the new thread will bring new charges!!! Wouldn't that be nice?

nursebeeme
03-11-2010, 08:30 PM
thanks angel!

crocus
03-11-2010, 08:37 PM
Angel.....you are an Angel! Thank you for all the latest media links.


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New1
03-11-2010, 11:01 PM
Thanks for starting a new thread for us Angel!

Maybe the new thread will bring new charges!!! Wouldn't that be nice?

It would be AWFUL to hear of more child porn charges because of the poor children involved. IF JH is the murderer, it would be good to hear of murder charges, but right now, without hearing anything about HOW he is connected to Somer I would hesitate to say that I would be glad to hear he is charged for her murder because I want to see the evidence against him before I would say that. LE would be stupid NOT to name him a POI just from the fact of where he lived and then being charged with the porn and child molestation.

Of course, he is a POI! Why wouldn't he be? The town of Orange Park would be in an uproar if they had NOT considered him a POI at this point, but I don't have him convicted of Somer's murder yet without any evidence being released. We have not heard any FACTS released about what LE has that connects him to Somer. All we keep hearing from LE is that he is a POI but his porn charges are not connected to Somer's disappearance and murder.

Dr.Fessel
03-11-2010, 11:25 PM
It would be AWFUL to hear of more child porn charges because of the poor children involved. IF JH is the murderer, it would be good to hear of murder charges, but right now, without hearing anything about HOW he is connected to Somer I would hesitate to say that I would be glad to hear he is charged for her murder because I want to see the evidence against him before I would say that. LE would be stupid NOT to name him a POI just from the fact of where he lived and then being charged with the porn and child molestation.

Of course, he is a POI! Why wouldn't he be? The town of Orange Park would be in an uproar if they had NOT considered him a POI at this point, but I don't have him convicted of Somer's murder yet without any evidence being released. We have not heard any FACTS released about what LE has that connects him to Somer. All we keep hearing from LE is that he is a POI but his porn charges are not connected to Somer's disappearance and murder.

and we heard this:

Dee10
03-11-2010, 11:31 PM
Although I wanted/tried to have faith, this latest report on the how the garbage was actually handled vs. how it was originally portrayed to be handled leaves me now wondering. The Sherriff had no comment, but I believe he needs to respond IMO.

GREEN COVE SPRINGS — Somer Thompson (http://jacksonville.com/news/somer-thompson)’s body may have been found at a Clay County trash site rather than a Georgia landfill if not for a decision to end the local search primarily because of a backup of trash trucks, records and an interview with the county manager show.
An agreement by Alan Altman, Clay’s director of environmental services, and sheriff’s deputies combing the trash site on Oct. 20 ended the search, County Manager Fritz Behring said. That prevented an immediate opportunity to find the truck that picked up Somer’s body, learn the truck’s route and possibly narrow the location where she was killed and dumped.

http://jacksonville.com/community/clay/2010-03-10/story/trash_backup_caused_delay_in_somer_thompson_search

houndstooth
03-11-2010, 11:46 PM
Although I wanted/tried to have faith, this latest report on the how the garbage was actually handled vs. how it was originally portrayed to be handled leaves me now wondering. The Sherriff had no comment, but I believe he needs to respond IMO.

GREEN COVE SPRINGS — Somer Thompson (http://jacksonville.com/news/somer-thompson)’s body may have been found at a Clay County trash site rather than a Georgia landfill if not for a decision to end the local search primarily because of a backup of trash trucks, records and an interview with the county manager show.
An agreement by Alan Altman, Clay’s director of environmental services, and sheriff’s deputies combing the trash site on Oct. 20 ended the search, County Manager Fritz Behring said. That prevented an immediate opportunity to find the truck that picked up Somer’s body, learn the truck’s route and possibly narrow the location where she was killed and dumped.

http://jacksonville.com/community/clay/2010-03-10/story/trash_backup_caused_delay_in_somer_thompson_search

Dee, as someone who has been all over the trash stories more times than I can count, I feel like throwing my hands up in despair or believing any reports we are given now and in the past. I find the timing of this story suspect in itself. This guy could have told us this months ago. All we have now are conflicting accounts from everybody from the sheriff, to the FBI to the detectives. I do think we are owed an explanation as to why we are being led to believe now that they never tracked it down to a specific truck, driver, dumpster, route, etc. Whether one is ever forthcoming is another matter all together. I of course, have my own theory on why the story keeps changing.

Dr.Fessel
03-11-2010, 11:53 PM
Although I wanted/tried to have faith, this latest report on the how the garbage was actually handled vs. how it was originally portrayed to be handled leaves me now wondering. The Sherriff had no comment, but I believe he needs to respond IMO.

GREEN COVE SPRINGS — Somer Thompson (http://jacksonville.com/news/somer-thompson)’s body may have been found at a Clay County trash site rather than a Georgia landfill if not for a decision to end the local search primarily because of a backup of trash trucks, records and an interview with the county manager show.
An agreement by Alan Altman, Clay’s director of environmental services, and sheriff’s deputies combing the trash site on Oct. 20 ended the search, County Manager Fritz Behring said. That prevented an immediate opportunity to find the truck that picked up Somer’s body, learn the truck’s route and possibly narrow the location where she was killed and dumped.

http://jacksonville.com/community/clay/2010-03-10/story/trash_backup_caused_delay_in_somer_thompson_search

How do you find it different?

tarabull
03-11-2010, 11:53 PM
Although I wanted/tried to have faith, this latest report on the how the garbage was actually handled vs. how it was originally portrayed to be handled leaves me now wondering. The Sherriff had no comment, but I believe he needs to respond IMO.

GREEN COVE SPRINGS — Somer Thompson (http://jacksonville.com/news/somer-thompson)’s body may have been found at a Clay County trash site rather than a Georgia landfill if not for a decision to end the local search primarily because of a backup of trash trucks, records and an interview with the county manager show.
An agreement by Alan Altman, Clay’s director of environmental services, and sheriff’s deputies combing the trash site on Oct. 20 ended the search, County Manager Fritz Behring said. [B]That prevented an immediate opportunity to find the truck that picked up Somer’s body, learn the truck’s route and possibly narrow the location where she was killed and dumped.

http://jacksonville.com/community/clay/2010-03-10/story/trash_backup_caused_delay_in_somer_thompson_search

Hi Dee :)

SO i see the words "prevented an immediate opportunity"...

BUT when will we find out IF it "prevented ANY opportunity"

THAT is the million dollar question - at least for me.

And I agree, a response from CCSO, specifically the Sherriff would be welcomed & greatly appreciated unfortunately I don't think he gives a rat's patootie what anyone thinks about his Somer Thompson murder investigation.

razorback
03-12-2010, 12:03 AM
"Trash Day Thursday"

Part 58
Volume 24

tarabull
03-12-2010, 12:07 AM
Hey Dr. Fessel (yeah - it's me the brave soul - thanks for the salute back a few pages BTW)

ummmmm, just curious doc...

Did you ever hear back as to whether the coverage claiming Somer was found wrapped in a rug is a fact or rather just more lousy reporting - on this long bumpy winding road with steep cliffs on both sides - along the way to Justice for Somer?

Sorry if I missed your post about such.
TIA.

tarabull
03-12-2010, 12:09 AM
"Trash Day Thursday"

Part 58
Volume 24

IMO it beats

"Crossing Guard Queries"
Part 67
Volume 36

:dance:

Dr.Fessel
03-12-2010, 12:12 AM
Hey Dr. Fessel (yeah - it's me the brave soul - thanks for the salute back a few pages BTW)

ummmmm, just curious doc...

Did you ever hear back as to whether the coverage claiming Somer was found wrapped in a rug is a fact or rather just more lousy reporting - on this long bumpy winding road with steep cliffs on both sides - along the way to Justice for Somer?

Sorry if I missed your post about such.
TIA.

Not a single word. They must not want to talk about it.

houndstooth
03-12-2010, 12:15 AM
How do you find it different?

Seriously. And for the last time. How can the sheriff have said "we found her on the front end before she got mixed in with tons of garbage" only to find that, so much for following those trash trucks on their route. Now it's oh, we followed them to the dump in GA. The backend of the process. The very backend!!

This story of them trying to search records a mere two weeks ago to determine what dumpster or truck pickup is unbelievable!!

tarabull
03-12-2010, 12:18 AM
Not a single word. They must not want to talk about it.

NOW'S a fine time to be "mum" on the subject....afterall THEY DID open the can of worms.

Dr.Fessel
03-12-2010, 12:19 AM
I assumed he meant the tons of garbage in Georgia, usually in a garbage search you see them out digging giant holes in the dump.

tarabull
03-12-2010, 12:19 AM
Seriously. And for the last time. How can the sheriff have said "we found her on the front end before she got mixed in with tons of garbage" only to find that, so much for following those trash trucks on their route. Now it's oh, we followed them to the dump in GA. The backend of the process. The very backend!!

This story of them trying to search records a mere two weeks ago to determine what dumpster or truck pickup is unbelievable!!

OH HOUNDS....don't tease.

LOL

tarabull
03-12-2010, 12:24 AM
"Trash Day Thursday"

Part 58
Volume 24

IMO it beats

"Crossing Guard Queries"
Part 67
Volume 36

:dance:

Lest we forget:

"Smoke & Mirrors"
Part 71
Volume 40

Dr.Fessel
03-12-2010, 12:26 AM
Seriously. And for the last time. How can the sheriff have said "we found her on the front end before she got mixed in with tons of garbage" only to find that, so much for following those trash trucks on their route. Now it's oh, we followed them to the dump in GA. The backend of the process. The very backend!!

This story of them trying to search records a mere two weeks ago to determine what dumpster or truck pickup is unbelievable!!

We knew she was found in Georgia and she was found before she was buried in the dump so I always read that statement as they found her before she was buried with tons of garbage at the dump. I think the police spokeswoman told us just how it was done but she left out they did some searching at the transfer station.

The backend of the process would be buried in the dump.

crocus
03-12-2010, 12:32 AM
We knew she was found in Georgia and she was found before she was buried in the dump so I always read that statement as they found her before she was buried with tons of garbage at the dump. I think the police spokeswoman told us just how it was done but she left out they did some searching at the transfer station.

The backend of the process would be buried in the dump.

Holy Mother of OMG..........http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/runcirclsmiley2.gif (http://www.millan.net)

razorback
03-12-2010, 12:32 AM
Lest we forget:

"Smoke & Mirrors"
Part 71
Volume 40

I have to admit that it beats

Proper Funeral Attire
part 95
volume 57

houndstooth
03-12-2010, 12:37 AM
When you tell the truth it doesn't require numerous versions that contradict and need further revisions continuously.

tarabull
03-12-2010, 12:40 AM
Although I wanted/tried to have faith, this latest report on the how the garbage was actually handled vs. how it was originally portrayed to be handled leaves me now wondering. The Sherriff had no comment, but I believe he needs to respond IMO.

GREEN COVE SPRINGS — Somer Thompson (http://jacksonville.com/news/somer-thompson)’s body may have been found at a Clay County trash site rather than a Georgia landfill if not for a decision to end the local search primarily because of a backup of trash trucks, records and an interview with the county manager show.
An agreement by Alan Altman, Clay’s director of environmental services, and sheriff’s deputies combing the trash site on Oct. 20 ended the search, County Manager Fritz Behring said. That prevented an immediate opportunity to find the truck that picked up Somer’s body, learn the truck’s route and possibly narrow the location where she was killed and dumped.

http://jacksonville.com/community/clay/2010-03-10/story/trash_backup_caused_delay_in_somer_thompson_search

[SNIPPED from link...] Davis, 59, said he saw a group of people, including some deputies, leave the building in the afternoon, shed their boots and drive off. Davis said he took that as a sign Somer had been found elsewhere. He said he was puzzled after later learning Somer hadn’t been found at that time.

“If they would have kept on searching they probably would have found her before they found her in Georgia,” Davis said.

So ANYONE wonder what stopped the search at this moment? Was it the possible crime scene on Miller Street mentioned by reporters questioning mahala (sp?) in that presser - wasn't that live report & media questioning held the afternoon of October 20th?

tarabull
03-12-2010, 12:43 AM
I have to admit that it beats

Proper Funeral Attire
part 95
volume 57

I actually didn't buy that volume...

I'm not one to make my reading selection based on the cover.

tarabull
03-12-2010, 12:44 AM
When you tell the truth it doesn't require numerous versions that contradict and need further revisions continuously.

Never doot (canadian doubt)...

I AM "picking up what you are laying down".

I AM "smelling what you are stepping in".

I AM "reading your mail".

I AM just not sure what you kids are calling "it" these days.

New1
03-12-2010, 07:58 AM
and we heard this:

Yes, an opinion. We have heard plenty of those. Could you sit on a jury and convict him on Corey's statement alone?

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 09:52 AM
It would be AWFUL to hear of more child porn charges because of the poor children involved. IF JH is the murderer, it would be good to hear of murder charges, but right now, without hearing anything about HOW he is connected to Somer I would hesitate to say that I would be glad to hear he is charged for her murder because I want to see the evidence against him before I would say that. LE would be stupid NOT to name him a POI just from the fact of where he lived and then being charged with the porn and child molestation.

Of course, he is a POI! Why wouldn't he be? The town of Orange Park would be in an uproar if they had NOT considered him a POI at this point, but I don't have him convicted of Somer's murder yet without any evidence being released. We have not heard any FACTS released about what LE has that connects him to Somer. All we keep hearing from LE is that he is a POI but his porn charges are not connected to Somer's disappearance and murder.

Just catching up and wanted to respond since I was quoted.

Of course I don't want there to be more child porn charges!!! What they have on him is enough sickness. I hope he didn't do any more things to other children as well.

What I said was a general statement that I hope there are more charges. I guess I thought everyone would know what I meant.

I meant, if JH is Somer's killer, wouldn't it be nice to see him charged for it???

And, of course we have not seen the evidence LE has. Why would we see the evidence now?

I'm sure they have evidence. JMO I think he's the killer and they will charge him. Buy, that's an opinion that is based on what I believe, not what I've seen yet.

JMO

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 09:54 AM
Yes, an opinion. We have heard plenty of those. Could you sit on a jury and convict him on Corey's statement alone?

Do you think that would be all they had if they charge him and it goes to trial?

Corey's statement did give a hint that they think they have him.

I'm pretty sure there is evidence. But, we don't know about it yet. It will all come out if and when he is charged.

pinamia
03-12-2010, 10:34 AM
Do you think that would be all they had if they charge him and it goes to trial?

Corey's statement did give a hint that they think they have him.

I'm pretty sure there is evidence. But, we don't know about it yet. It will all come out if and when he is charged.

I'm glad you are confident, because I'm not. Show me that evidence.

Noway
03-12-2010, 10:35 AM
Tarabull ... you asked about the timing of press conferences on Tuesday:

This Mahla presser was 430 pm or so on Tuesday. He talks about "as of 3 o'clock today we have X tips we are following up on."

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/index.html

The one was Tuesday 11 a.m. or so.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21350503/index.html

Noway
03-12-2010, 10:44 AM
This is the noon report on First Coast News.

Searching for Somer Thompson

10/20/09 12 p.m. Report


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=49317740001#/Searching+for+Somer+Thompson/49317740001

During this, they still were saying that Somer was seen near DeBarry and Gano. Includes interview with Sheriff. He says they are working with scent discriminating dogs. I don't know whether that means they can discriminate live vs. deceased.

Noway
03-12-2010, 10:49 AM
http://ezinearticles.com/?Teaching-Scent-Discrimination&id=335951

Search dogs who are "air scenting" usually are not required to be scent discriminating. Their area of expertise is to locate the freshest human scent, living or dead, which lies within the search area. On the other hand, a Scent Discrimination Dog is usually most often a dog that must be trained to locate a particular subject and usually is trained to follow a trail. The Scent Discrimination Dog is brought out at the beginning of a search for a lost or missing subject in order to try to pinpoint a P.L.S. (place last seen) and also to determine a Direction of Travel.


It is the task of the handler to train the dog to discriminate scent. There are many many ways to do this. Two pre-requisites are that the dog being trained does indeed have a good "nose" for this task and also that he is motivated to do so. The handler's task is to build a pattern of scent discrimination carefully and consistently. The motivation should be highly rewarding to the dog, whether it be a special toy, a lot of "hugs and kisses", or food treats. Training carefully with short exercises and building up slowly to longer and more complicated problems is absolutely vital.

More at link

New1
03-12-2010, 11:21 AM
Just catching up and wanted to respond since I was quoted.

Of course I don't want there to be more child porn charges!!! What they have on him is enough sickness. I hope he didn't do any more things to other children as well.

What I said was a general statement that I hope there are more charges. I guess I thought everyone would know what I meant.

I meant, if JH is Somer's killer, wouldn't it be nice to see him charged for it???

And, of course we have not seen the evidence LE has. Why would we see the evidence now?

I'm sure they have evidence. JMO I think he's the killer and they will charge him. Buy, that's an opinion that is based on what I believe, not what I've seen yet.

JMO

What do you base your belief that he is the killer on?

Law Enforcement naming him a POI?
He lived on Somer's route home?
He was arrested on child porn charges which are not connected to somer's case?
Just a feeling?

Do you hope he is charged with murder even if he didn't do it?

Just wondering if you (or anyone else) could convict him for murder based on the evidence we know of at this time.

What if JH has some kind of receipt for a purchase made in Callahan on October 19th at around 3:00 p.m.? What if the evidence shows he was downloading another batch of porn or making another video at that time, say at his mother's house in Callahan? I'm not saying this is the case because I have no idea where he was nor what he was doing on Oct. 19 at 3:00 p.m., but IF it is, would that change your beliefs about him being the killer?

New1
03-12-2010, 11:29 AM
Do you think that would be all they had if they charge him and it goes to trial?

Corey's statement did give a hint that they think they have him.

I'm pretty sure there is evidence. But, we don't know about it yet. It will all come out if and when he is charged.

No, I think they would have a lot more than corey's statement if they charge him. What she believes is not evidence. The sheriff has not come out and said that he believes they have the killer and everyone can be at ease now. AFAIK, he hasn't changed his statement that everybody is a suspect except himself.

tarabull
03-12-2010, 11:30 AM
Tarabull ... you asked about the timing of press conferences on Tuesday:

This Mahla presser was 430 pm or so on Tuesday. He talks about "as of 3 o'clock today we have X tips we are following up on."

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/index.html

The one was Tuesday 11 a.m. or so.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21350503/index.html

Thanks noway - THAT's the presser (the one at 430) I was referring to - and the questions by the reporter (about a possible crimescene at Miller by the tracks) are made at the 10:55 minute mark:

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/index.html

Could this (a false alarm sts) be what prompted the group of individuals to stop searching through the garbage trucks at Rosemary?

(ETA: I say FALSE ALARM because reporter asks about photographers, hounds, etc...at miller near the tracks & he replies something like we've found nothing to lead us to her whereabouts)

nursebeeme
03-12-2010, 11:34 AM
What do you base your belief that he is the killer on?

Law Enforcement naming him a POI?
He lived on Somer's route home?
He was arrested on child porn charges which are not connected to somer's case?
Just a feeling?

Do you hope he is charged with murder even if he didn't do it?

Just wondering if you (or anyone else) could convict him for murder based on the evidence we know of at this time.

What if JH has some kind of receipt for a purchase made in Callahan on October 19th at around 3:00 p.m.? What if the evidence shows he was downloading another batch of porn or making another video at that time, say at his mother's house in Callahan? I'm not saying this is the case because I have no idea where he was nor what he was doing on Oct. 19 at 3:00 p.m., but IF it is, would that change your beliefs about him being the killer?
personally, I will cross that bridge if that bridge ever even appears. (my opinion on what you are asking).

I personally want to see the person who did this convicted.. not forced into a mold.

All that being said, the police will do their job and I am sure when he is finally charged (did you read all of the legal info??? they could very well be going to the grand jury so we might never know until the indictment comes down) and goes to trial we will find out all the details and all the evidence.

If the evidence doesn't fit he won't be charged. End of story.

As to do I THINK he did it right now? My opinion is yes, I think he did.

Would I continue to think he did it if someone else is arrested and no evidence ties him to Somer? No I would not. But right now, knowing what we know. I think he did it. Because LE tells everyone we can rest easy now... and they have all the time in the world. (what does that say to you? That a killer is still out there? or perhaps that they are getting all their evidence in a row and have all the time to do so because he is in jail)

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other topic: has everyone seen the letter that JH's exstepfather wrote? OMG is that man nuts!
http://www.news4jax.com/download/2010/0311/22811825.pdf

tarabull
03-12-2010, 11:38 AM
I missed the part where LE tells everyone to rest easy now...

ETA: Tho one less person involved in child porn off the streets might be a reason to rest easy.

nursebeeme
03-12-2010, 11:52 AM
I missed the part where LE tells everyone to rest easy now...

ETA: Tho one less person involved in child porn off the streets might be a reason to rest easy. it was paraphrased and it was in regards to the somer's case. The link is in the last thread

eta: my bad it was the state's prosecutor... who works hand in hand with LE

Dr.Fessel
03-12-2010, 12:04 PM
Thanks noway - THAT's the presser (the one at 430) I was referring to - and the questions by the reporter (about a possible crimescene at Miller by the tracks) are made at the 10:55 minute mark:

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/index.html

Could this (a false alarm sts) be what prompted the group of individuals to stop searching through the garbage trucks at Rosemary?

(ETA: I say FALSE ALARM because reporter asks about photographers, hounds, etc...at miller near the tracks & he replies something like we've found nothing to lead us to her whereabouts)

Here is what I think happened at miller by the tracks. During the night search the police found something suspicious and marked it off with crime scene tapae. That morning the techs went out and collected what could be evidence and a reporter saw them doing that.

The reporter ask if it is evidence or something. He makes his statement "found nothing to lead us to her whereabouts".

Until it is processed they have no idea if it is evidence, he can not say it is and he can not say it is not because if it turns out to be evidence the killer can make him testify in court to what he said about the thing not being evidence raising doubt.

LLLindsayy
03-12-2010, 12:09 PM
Since all opinions are being tossed around, I'll throw my two cents in.

I think there is a very high likelihood that JH committed the crime against Somer. If he did not, I'm betting he knows who did (and I'm not a betting person).

LE doesn't usually name someone a POI unless they have good reason to. This fact alone makes me believe he knows more than he is saying.

That said, factoring in his child pornography charges, quotes from people who know him, and his accessibility to Somer, I believe LE has their guy.

If evidence comes forth that proves otherwise, of course I will no longer think that.

As far as hoping he is charged with the murder, I believe it can be clarified like this.
-He was found in 3 months... hopefully that means there is evidence linking him to the crime and there will be a stronger case against him.
-It means there has been one less murderer on the street for the past two months (snatch him up ASAP as far as I'm concerned, we saw what happened with JAG)
-It means LE has to go find another person who is the real perp.
-Clearly, JH needs to be locked up because of his child porn charges. If he's not the murderer, that means we'll have another person whose jailhouse stay us taxpayers have to pay for.
-Justice for Somer needs to be served.


And also to answer the question about hoping JH is charged with the murder if he didn't do it. NO! That means someone else is getting off the hook. No way, no how.


That's all. Moo. :)

Dr.Fessel
03-12-2010, 12:45 PM
What do you base your belief that he is the killer on?

Law Enforcement naming him a POI?
He lived on Somer's route home?
He was arrested on child porn charges which are not connected to somer's case?
Just a feeling?

Do you hope he is charged with murder even if he didn't do it?

Just wondering if you (or anyone else) could convict him for murder based on the evidence we know of at this time.

What if JH has some kind of receipt for a purchase made in Callahan on October 19th at around 3:00 p.m.? What if the evidence shows he was downloading another batch of porn or making another video at that time, say at his mother's house in Callahan? I'm not saying this is the case because I have no idea where he was nor what he was doing on Oct. 19 at 3:00 p.m., but IF it is, would that change your beliefs about him being the killer?


BBM
I am very puzzled by why you would ask such questions.

I think the people on here that believe JH is the murderer have given their reasons for believing this and have been very fair and opened minded along the sleuthing route.

Do you have a reason for suggesting we have not been fair and we have been closed minded in this? I ask that honestly and it would not hurt my feelings one bit and I can take constructive criticism.

Here is what you listed and I am going to add to it since those and more lead me to believe they got the right guy.

Law Enforcement naming him a POI?
He lived on Somer's route home?
He was arrested on child porn charges which are not connected to somer's case?
Just a feeling?

FBI telling Jarred's father he was not cooperating with the investigation.

The FBI getting a DNA sample from Jarred's dad.

Getting DNA from these two people suggest they have something to compare it to.

Jarred's escalating criminal behavior from looking at child porn, to down loading and secreting it away to molesting a child.

Jarred's inability to hold a job for a length of time.

Jarred's Mom telling him she is his alibi. There was no reason to tell him that if it was true. He already knew it.

Jarred's high bond suggest there is good evidence connecting him to Somer's murder. A judge would have to hear pretty good evidence to set the bond that high on those charges. Remember he had a million dollar bond just on the child porn not counting the molesting.

The States Attorney has been in this business for 25 years and she made the statement you can find in my signature and she will be the first one to stand up in court and tell us Jarred is a child murdering piece of crap.

I know there is more so I am saving this list to add to it in the future when I remember them.

JustyThoughts
03-12-2010, 12:51 PM
Patience. Patience is a challenging state of mind when everyone wants action, answers, information and outcome. As sluthers we have interesting and creative ideas and opinions.... we need to all have patience with each other until the unknown is made known.

LE (which traditionally includes both police officers/investigators and DA staff), has to maintain patience too. They have a POI; they have executed warrants on JH's living quarters (multiple), vehicle, and computers he had access to. The evidence is either there or not (we have to practice that ol aggrevating patience until the info is made public). In fact, patience is their cornerstone in the ST investigation. We all agree that if the evidence is there... we want the state's case to be rock solid.

Dr.Fessel
03-12-2010, 01:06 PM
What do you base your belief that he is the killer on?

Law Enforcement naming him a POI?
He lived on Somer's route home?
He was arrested on child porn charges which are not connected to somer's case?
Just a feeling?

Do you hope he is charged with murder even if he didn't do it?

Just wondering if you (or anyone else) could convict him for murder based on the evidence we know of at this time.

What if JH has some kind of receipt for a purchase made in Callahan on October 19th at around 3:00 p.m.? What if the evidence shows he was downloading another batch of porn or making another video at that time, say at his mother's house in Callahan? I'm not saying this is the case because I have no idea where he was nor what he was doing on Oct. 19 at 3:00 p.m., but IF it is, would that change your beliefs about him being the killer?

BBM

If he had a rock solid alibi for the time of her murder then I would not be able to convict him if I was on the jury.

tarabull
03-12-2010, 01:22 PM
BBM

If he had a rock solid alibi for the time of her murder then I would not be able to convict him if I was on the jury.

What if his rock solid alibi was his mama?

nursebeeme
03-12-2010, 01:27 PM
What if his rock solid alibi was his mama?

in light of her very interesting TAPED phone call with her son I don't see any sort of alibi she creates or otherwise to be any more solid than a marshmellow.

moo

Dr.Fessel
03-12-2010, 01:33 PM
What if his rock solid alibi was his mama?

No, just her word would not be enough for me to call it rock solid.

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 04:54 PM
I'm glad you are confident, because I'm not. Show me that evidence.

I feel it's coming.

LE is not really worried about showing us the evidence at this point. IMO

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 05:01 PM
Just catching up and wanted to respond since I was quoted.

Of course I don't want there to be more child porn charges!!! What they have on him is enough sickness. I hope he didn't do any more things to other children as well.

What I said was a general statement that I hope there are more charges. I guess I thought everyone would know what I meant.

I meant, if JH is Somer's killer, wouldn't it be nice to see him charged for it???

And, of course we have not seen the evidence LE has. Why would we see the evidence now?

I'm sure they have evidence. JMO I think he's the killer and they will charge him. But,that's an opinion that is based on what I believe, not what I've seen yet.

JMO

BBM in my own quote because it answers some of your questions you posed to me when you quoted me.


I'll answer your questions in red just so it's easier to follow...

What do you base your belief that he is the killer on?

Law Enforcement naming him a POI? YES
He lived on Somer's route home? YES
He was arrested on child porn charges which are not connected to somer's case? YES
Just a feeling? YES

Do you hope he is charged with murder even if he didn't do it? NO - as you see in my quote above, I said IF he is the one who killed Somer, I hope to see him charged for it soon.

Just wondering if you (or anyone else) could convict him for murder based on the evidence we know of at this time. No - we don't have any evidence at this time, hard to convict without evidence, but I think LE does, but like I've stated several times, I don't know that for sure, it's an opinion based on what I believe.

What if JH has some kind of receipt for a purchase made in Callahan on October 19th at around 3:00 p.m.? What if the evidence shows he was downloading another batch of porn or making another video at that time, say at his mother's house in Callahan? I'm not saying this is the case because I have no idea where he was nor what he was doing on Oct. 19 at 3:00 p.m., but IF it is, would that change your beliefs about him being the killer?OF COURSE!!!! If he has proof he didn't do it, then he's not the killer right? I don't want to see him charged for the murder if he didn't do it. I want the right man charged...I just "think" he is that man

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 05:08 PM
What if his rock solid alibi was his mama?

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

So solid, she had to remind him during that recorded call that she was in fact his alibi

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

Noway
03-12-2010, 06:44 PM
It will be interesting to see whether his alibi puts him in Callahan or Orange Park on October 19 and if Orange Park, what other family members were there at the time.

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 06:45 PM
I don't know why it seems some think a lot of us want JH to fry no matter if he killed Somer or not????

We are here because we want justice for Somer, no matter who goes down.

If they wrong person gets convicted, there's no justice right? That would be horrible IMO.

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 06:48 PM
It will be interesting to see whether his alibi puts him in Callahan or Orange Park on October 19 and if Orange Park, what other family members were there at the time.

I'm sure him mom will say he was in Callahan. If he was in Orange Park, I sure hope LE has proof of that.

IMO this mother will do whatever she can to get her son out of trouble.

LaLaw2000
03-12-2010, 07:01 PM
I've said it before, and I will say it again. I believe that LE has Somer's murderer.

Of course we do not see the evidence LE has. I am thankful LE is taking their time and going to have a solid case before charging.

We are all stating our opinions here, and one opinion is just as valid as any other.

Thank God this POS child molester/pornographer is off the streets. He is locked up where he belongs.

JMO

Noway
03-12-2010, 07:02 PM
If CCSO did not have proof that he was in Orange Park ... were they premature in naming him a person of interest?

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 07:05 PM
If CCSO did not have proof that he was in Orange Park ... were they premature in naming him a person of interest?

I agree!

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 07:06 PM
I have a general question, what happens if someone gives a false alibi?

You know, like what if LE has proof JH was in Orange Park and JH's mother says he was in Callahan? What would happen to her?

Not that it matters really, just wondering.

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 07:12 PM
False alibi
The giving of a false alibi, beside resulting in possible subsequent criminal offences (obstruction of justice, perjury, etc.), may, in some jurisdictions, result in negative ramifications for the trial itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alibi

Noway
03-12-2010, 07:13 PM
If he is the murderer ... I think she'd do prison time. IDK

Dee10
03-12-2010, 07:32 PM
Adding to Kimberly's list; obstruction of justice, perjury,..."aiding & abetting?" Not sure how many Mom's would be charged, but somehow I think THIS one would be charged if proven otherwise & would be firmly told just that; just a hunch lol. Bottom line, somehow I don't think that would detour her for some reason MOO. :snooty:

Dee10
03-12-2010, 08:17 PM
If CCSO did not have proof that he was in Orange Park ... were they premature in naming him a person of interest?

What a great, thought provoking question!

I have a question; I am not familiar with any cases that I can think of (but I am sure there are cases), where LE rules the POI out. Would/does LE come out to the press and state otherwise if they change their mind? I would appreciate any input, TIA.

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 08:24 PM
What a great, thought provoking question!

I have a question; I am not familiar with any cases that I can think of (but I am sure there are cases), where LE rules the POI out. Would/does LE come out to the press and state otherwise if they change their mind? I would appreciate any input, TIA.

:waitasec: You know, I have no idea. Seems they would, but IDK.
I would think they would "clear" him if he wasn't a POI or suspect, but I don't know for sure.

O/T: BTW - I LOVE LOVE LOVE your siggy. RC cracks me up sometimes. :loser:

Noway
03-12-2010, 08:26 PM
FWIW, at the end of the drive into those apartments is a dumpster. Not far from JH Gano house.

Map from BreatheLife21 (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&t=h&msid=116287515801680968232.0004765612ce35666f9fb&ll=30.19158,-81.721287&spn=0.055344,0.092697&z=13)

snipped from map (red marker near green is JH house; thumbtack is dumpster)
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/Somer%20Thompson/mapshowingdumpsterandJHhouse.jpg

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 08:30 PM
Noway, you are great. I blew that map up as far as it would go the other day trying to see a dumpster at those apartments and couldn't.

I figured there had to be one.

You go girl.

hoppyfrog
03-12-2010, 08:31 PM
I don't know why it seems some think a lot of us want JH to fry no matter if he killed Somer or not????



Because of the child porn charges.

Noway
03-12-2010, 08:33 PM
I think in a case like this where everything is front page news they would. But I don't think it's always the case.

Interesting article on naming someone POI
http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=4042

Noway
03-12-2010, 08:34 PM
Noway, you are great. I blew that map up as far as it would go the other day trying to see a dumpster at those apartments and couldn't.

I figured there had to be one.

You go girl.

The map is not mine ... I just have a link to it and because when I posted the link you still had to scroll ... I added the jpg of the area.

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 08:34 PM
Because of the child porn charges.

I totally agree. I think he should fry becuase of the child porn charges alone.

But, I want to make sure LE gets the right perp for Somer.
I think they did. We'll have to wait and see I guess.

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 08:35 PM
Yeah, but your eyes saw a dumpster. Mine couldn't find it. lol

You still rock IMO.

spamelope
03-12-2010, 08:48 PM
FWIW, at the end of the drive into those apartments is a dumpster. Not far from JH Gano house.

Map from BreatheLife21 (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&t=h&msid=116287515801680968232.0004765612ce35666f9fb&ll=30.19158,-81.721287&spn=0.055344,0.092697&z=13)

snipped from map (red marker near green is JH house; thumbtack is dumpster)
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/Somer%20Thompson/mapshowingdumpsterandJHhouse.jpg

Wow, that's just feet away from RB's old apt. I think I see Dumpsters there, too.

Dee10
03-12-2010, 09:01 PM
I think in a case like this where everything is front page news they would. But I don't think it's always the case.

Interesting article on naming someone POI
http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=4042

They are all front page news to begin with & that is kind of my point. I remember looking at old unsolved Florida missing children cases in the past after AMW in relation to a possible serial killer rearing his head or whatever the term they used & IIRC there was a POI in one or two of them as well as other old cases in other states. Just I don't know the protocol, if there is any IF they determine a POI is no long valid? After a story fades, I guess...it doesn't matter to the press; as maybe it wouldn't be newsworthy perhaps??? Just my...wondering lol.

Noway
03-12-2010, 09:09 PM
Sadly Dee, not all missing child cases are front page news -- ever.

But of those that are, in which a POI were named -- and subsequently cleared -- I think they deserve to have that done publicly -- but I don't think it necessarily happens.

Noway
03-12-2010, 09:24 PM
Although, in being honest with myself ... if JH is guilty of the child porn charges ... but innocent of killing Somer ... I don't care that he gets the public apology. That's wrong, but that's me.

Kimberlyd125
03-12-2010, 09:28 PM
I agree. If he's found guilty on child porn and is found innocent in Somer's murder I don't care if he gets another breath, but thats me.

I hate to be that way, but this carp has got to stop.

Dee10
03-12-2010, 11:52 PM
Although, in being honest with myself ... if JH is guilty of the child porn charges ... but innocent of killing Somer ... I don't care that he gets the public apology. That's wrong, but that's me.

Oh... I TIA, but the public needs to know if there is still a child murder out there, IF there is a change in status. Hopefully, the press will keep on this, even if it turns into a cold case. I pray it doesn't of course!

Dee10
03-12-2010, 11:52 PM
Angeleena had two really interesting posts at the end of the last thread; maybe somebody that knows how could bring these over?

Kimberlyd125
03-13-2010, 12:08 PM
Bumping for Somer. Rest in Peace Baby.

Noway
03-13-2010, 03:51 PM
Angeleena had two really interesting posts at the end of the last thread; maybe somebody that knows how could bring these over?


All Angleena Posts (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2914091) (in case these are not what you are referring to).

Link to this post by Angleena


Even though it's obvious he is guilty of the molestation, possession and production of child porn charges, it's good legal sense to plead not guilty (no matter how much we don't like it).

Here is a snippet (source: http://wokv.com/localnews/2010/03/ja...-not-guil.html (http://wokv.com/localnews/2010/03/jarred-harrell-pleads-not-guil.html):

"Charging in the most prudent way, and using all laws that have been violated in our opinion and charging it accordingly. So, it's the same incident, just charged a little bit more thoroughly," says Chief Assistant State Attorney Dan McCarthy.

McCarthy says the victim is a female relative of Harrell's and younger than seven years old.
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A good defense attorney will argue that he is not guilty on 2 counts of child molestation, since it was all the same incident and that would make him guilty on only one count. Same with the production, while there are several images, the whole even of producing them was one single incident and the attorney will argue that he is only guilty on one count of production. However, the possession charges are a bit different and hard to argue, each image he holds is one count against him. So that is part of the reason he has plead not guilty. The other part of the reason is that it opens up the door for plea bargaining, where he might agree to plead guilty for one count of production, one count of molestation and maybe 1/2 the counts of possession. I believe prosecution would agree to reduce it to one count of production and one count of molestation, but I doubt they would reduce the possession charges.

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As far as charging him in Somer's case, it is best to wait as long as it takes if they do not have solid concrete evidence. As long as he has not been found guilty in the child porn, production and molestation charges, prosecution cannot use any of that evidence in a murder trial showing that he has a history of child molestation. If they wait until they have a conviction in the child molestation charges, they can use that evidence to show a jury that he has a history of such conduct and is a convicted felon because of his past conduct. If he is convicted on the current charges, being able to use that conviction charge as character evidence in a murder trial is absolutely priceless. It would be so much easier to convince a jury with only circumstantial evidence if you can show a pattern of sexually abusing children. Remember, a murder charge holds the death penalty in Florida, so anything they can use to drive their case home to a jury is well worth the wait. Like they said, JH isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Put yourself on a jury in Somer's murder trial. Would it be easier for you to convict someone with a prior felony and history of child molestation or someone that has never been convicted of it before? Remember, as long as he has not been found guilty by a jury of his peers, the current charges against him cannot be used in a murder trial - so with an untainted jury, they would have absolutely no knowledge of the current charges he is facing unless he has actually been convicted and the prosecution is then allowed to bring it to the jury's attention.


Link to this post by Angleena

It is for pre-trial motions.

Pre-trial motions may include (and these are just examples of what these motions usually are):

Motion to suppress evidence (used when evidence was obtained illegally, such as an illegal search and seizure)

Motion to gain supplemental evidence through discovery - Usually a set of interrogatories (questions) sent to witnesses for both defense and prosecution. So they might send interrogatories to those who turned over the computer to LE. This gives them a good idea of what witnesses might testify to.

If there is any blood, urine or DNA samples, they may ask for those samples to be divided so they can be sent in for an independent study (evaluated by someone other than those in LE).

Motions to strike prior records. This is something you would see done if he was charged with Somer's murder now, the attorney would make a motion to strike these pending charges from the record because there is no conviction. The judge would absolutely grant that motion too (that's why it's best to wait for a conviction).

Motions to suppress statements made by the defendant- mainly statements they have made during interviews with LE. If JH is charged in Somer's murder, we will probably see a lot of this, motions to suppress anything he may have said at this time about Somer's case because he has not been read his Miranda rights in Somer's case.

Motions to gain access to the arresting officer's personal file. Yep, the arresting officer is subject to review by the prosecution. It gives them leverage to challenge the arresting officers opinions and conclusions.

A motion alleging a defect in the indictment or information - We might see this motion. It's my understanding that this latest set of charges came from images found on a flash drive that JH had on him at the time he was arrested. It could be argued that since that item was confiscated in Mississippi, Mississippi has jurisdiction over that matter and not Florida. There is a very fine line here considering he was being held for Florida and the drive was taken from him as a possession on his person and may not have been subject to search in Mississippi.

angelswatchoverthem
03-13-2010, 04:17 PM
Do you think that would be all they had if they charge him and it goes to trial?

Corey's statement did give a hint that they think they have him.

I'm pretty sure there is evidence. But, we don't know about it yet. It will all come out if and when he is charged.

I think for Corey to come out and make such a statement, the way i see it, she did mention 'those that grieved for Somer can be at ease now', more or less is what she said. From this i see she specifically mentioned in relation to "Somer", this would imply they got who did this to her. Otherwise she should of stated it differently, in regard to the fact they have one more S.O off the street, something like that. Maybe she should of elaborated more on her statement, so people would be clearer about what she said! Maybe someone could get her to elaborate on it??? The fact that they were looking at R.S.O's initially, to me that is very telling also! This indicates that Somer was most likely molested! I feel if it had of been an outright murder, then why would they only think S.O's? If it was just the fact she was murdered, then there could have been other reasons for that, that to me only seems logical. All IMO.
If J.H. is not the perp. then i think there is the fact he will do time for the other initial charges on him currently, but i also don't believe he will necessarily get a life sentence for this. If he had of raped a child then it might be a different story.
Then again how many fathers rape their own children and they never get found out! What J.H. has on him now, is disgusting enough, but i won't tell you here what i would like to do to a parent who repeatedly rapes their own child, that is beyond disgusting!

Noway
03-13-2010, 04:29 PM
Oh... I TIA, but the public needs to know if there is still a child murder out there, IF there is a change in status. Hopefully, the press will keep on this, even if it turns into a cold case. I pray it doesn't of course!

I think I understand what you mean but even if JH is the killer, having Somer's killer behind bars is not going to make Orange Park safe.

Parents need to change their behavior. There are 161 RSOs within a 5-mile radius of Somer's house -- knowing that, I can't imagine a parent in that area thinking it would be safe for their children to walk home or be home alone just because Somer's killer was caught. But I am sure there are some.

And of course, there is the danger to children by those who haven't been caught yet, those whose perversion is unknown to their neighbors.

angelswatchoverthem
03-13-2010, 05:19 PM
I think I understand what you mean but even if JH is the killer, having Somer's killer behind bars is not going to make Orange Park safe.

Parents need to change their behavior. There are 161 RSOs within a 5-mile radius of Somer's house -- knowing that, I can't imagine a parent in that area thinking it would be safe for their children to walk home or be home alone just because Somer's killer was caught. But I am sure there are some.

And of course, there is the danger to children by those who haven't been caught yet, those whose perversion is unknown to their neighbors.

STAMP. This is exactly what i have mentioned previously, no child is ever safe if these S.O's are out there. Parents always have to be extra vigilant when it comes to their children, IMO. I have been told in the past i am an "overprotective" mother! Better that IMO, than an "underprotective" one.

angelswatchoverthem
03-13-2010, 05:22 PM
I think in a case like this where everything is front page news they would. But I don't think it's always the case.

Interesting article on naming someone POI
http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=4042

That was a very interesting read! Just goes to show, POI, doesn't really mean anything much at all!

angelswatchoverthem
03-13-2010, 05:40 PM
I also think if there is enough evidence to lay charges on J.H. for Somer's death, then why not go and do it? They had no apprehension with C.A. in the death of her child, and she is still facing other charges of fraud too! She was in prison even before they found her child's remains! If they have the right person in J.H., then why would their case not be airtight? They must have some concrete evidence by now, otherwise why Corey's statement! I don't feel all that cofident in this case.
Have L.E. ruled out all other possibilities does anyone know? Has Somer's family or those living in the household at the time gotten the all clear also? Just wondering.

Noway
03-13-2010, 06:05 PM
I think the CCSO may be trying to fill in the parts of their case where a defense attorney could raise reasonable doubt.

BeanE
03-13-2010, 06:06 PM
I also think if there is enough evidence to lay charges on J.H. for Somer's death, then why not go and do it? They had no apprehension with C.A. in the death of her child, and she is still facing other charges of fraud too! She was in prison even before they found her child's remains! If they have the right person in J.H., then why would their case not be airtight? They must have some concrete evidence by now, otherwise why Corey's statement! I don't feel all that cofident in this case.
Have L.E. ruled out all other possibilities does anyone know? Has Somer's family or those living in the household at the time gotten the all clear also? Just wondering.

BBM. In C.A.'s case, Caylee being missing was discovered mid-July. Her mother was not charged with homicide until the end of October - more than 3 months later.

IANAL, but my understanding is that they wait as long as possible to charge, to build their case, to better ensure a problem-free trial and conviction, because as soon as the person is charged, they can proceed with their right to a speedy trial.

tarabull
03-13-2010, 06:12 PM
Fla. police hone missing children policies (http://www.policeone.com/communications/articles/2018839-Fla-police-hone-missing-children-policies/)
Both at local and state level, authorities give them higher priority
Florida Times-Union
March 13, 2010

Kimberlyd125
03-13-2010, 06:36 PM
thanks tarabull. That was a very interesting read.

angelswatchoverthem
03-13-2010, 07:15 PM
I think the CCSO may be trying to fill in the parts of their case where a defense attorney could raise reasonable doubt.

Won't a defense attorney try to raise doubt in a case anyway, because as a defense attorney it is their job to do so?

angelswatchoverthem
03-13-2010, 07:26 PM
BBM. In C.A.'s case, Caylee being missing was discovered mid-July. Her mother was not charged with homicide until the end of October - more than 3 months later.

IANAL, but my understanding is that they wait as long as possible to charge, to build their case, to better ensure a problem-free trial and conviction, because as soon as the person is charged, they can proceed with their right to a speedy trial.
But 3 mnths. later Caylee's body had still not been found. Didn't they find her remains 6 mnths later? Around Dec.
I think from memory C.A. was in jail a couple of times, before she was finally put in there to stay. Then again i suppose she did get bailed out by L.P. at least once. I guess J.H. doesn't have the bail part of it? Isn't he there with no bail? Initially it was a million dollars, but they then changed that from what i read. I wonder if it was only because of the child porn/molestation charges alone or something else?
Then look at Haleigh. They are in jail for drug trafficking, caught red handed by L.E., yet Haleigh is still missing, and they still have a bond they can get out of jail with, if they can get the money.

Noway
03-13-2010, 08:05 PM
Won't a defense attorney try to raise doubt in a case anyway, because as a defense attorney it is their job to do so?

Of course they will. So the States Attorney is building the strongest case possible.

They question the evidence they have the way a defense attorney would and try to head off any problems.

JMO but I don't think it is rocket science why they have not yet charged him. They are using this time to their advantage.

Kimberlyd125
03-13-2010, 10:36 PM
Of course they will. So the States Attorney is building the strongest case possible.

They question the evidence they have the way a defense attorney would and try to head off any problems.

JMO but I don't think it is rocket science why they have not yet charged him. They are using this time to their advantage.

I totally agree. If JH is the killer, the stronger the case, the better the chance for justice for Somer. That's what we all want.

angelswatchoverthem
03-13-2010, 10:58 PM
Of course they will. So the States Attorney is building the strongest case possible.

They question the evidence they have the way a defense attorney would and try to head off any problems.

JMO but I don't think it is rocket science why they have not yet charged him. They are using this time to their advantage.

I think that what i was trying to say was, if there was concrete evidence as in DNA for eg., to tie J.H. to this crime, then to my way of looking at it, that evidence would be undeniable no matter what way you look at it, and it would definitely and undeniably tie him to the crime against Somer. No argument in that! There would be no argument with that evidence! So how much of a stronger case would they need than that. Then a jury panel would not need to be convinced of his guilt either, DNA doesn't lie! So maybe everyone is right in saying they need more time to make this a stronger case, because at the moment it isn't?
From some cold cases i have seen, there was nothing really to go on, and once DNA and forensic evidence was established, that is when an actual arrest and charge was made. Just as with the evidence they have with his child porn/molestation charges and the arrest for that,
landed him in prison. I don't think they needed to buy more time in that case. I am sure that DNA evidence would certainly be back by now.
Wasn't he initially just arrested on child porn viewing charges from what was handed in on a computer that was his? They had no hesitation to put him in jail then, with a million dollar bond. The molestation charges came after that when the camera was discovered didn't they?

angelswatchoverthem
03-13-2010, 11:14 PM
The other thing i wanted to mention was, did L.E. just arrest J.H. initially with the computer evidence and throw him in jail, and then work on establishing whether it was really all of his content on the computer/s?

New1
03-13-2010, 11:44 PM
I think that what i was trying to say was, if there was concrete evidence as in DNA for eg., to tie J.H. to this crime, then to my way of looking at it, that evidence would be undeniable no matter what way you look at it, and it would definitely and undeniably tie him to the crime against Somer. No argument in that! There would be no argument with that evidence! So how much of a stronger case would they need than that. Then a jury panel would not need to be convinced of his guilt either, DNA doesn't lie! So maybe everyone is right in saying they need more time to make this a stronger case, because at the moment it isn't?
From some cold cases i have seen, there was nothing really to go on, and once DNA and forensic evidence was established, that is when an actual arrest and charge was made. Just as with the evidence they have with his child porn/molestation charges and the arrest for that,
landed him in prison. I don't think they needed to buy more time in that case. I am sure that DNA evidence would certainly be back by now.
Wasn't he initially just arrested on child porn viewing charges from what was handed in on a computer that was his? They had no hesitation to put him in jail then, with a million dollar bond. The molestation charges came after that when the camera was discovered didn't they?

There COULD be argument if JH's DNA was found on somer. It would depend, though, on WHERE it was found on her. If it was his DNA from semen then that would pretty much be a slam dunk. But if it was DNA on her clothes or in her hair, they could argue that the DNA got on there by being mixed in with the trash - his household trash mixed with whatever trash was found around or on top of somer. That trash could have been picked up by the same truck and dumped together. So IMO it would depend on where on the body the DNA was found.

I still don't think Somer was molested, but that is JMO. With her being found in the landfill, I think they have all sorts of DNA from so many sources they cannot rule anybody out, and they very well may have found JH's DNA on or around the body, but just so much other DNA, some identifiable and some not. But IF somer was molested and they find JH's DNA from semen, they he is most likely a goner.

According to witnesses, Somer was seen at the 1080 Gano house, at Grove Park Drive, and the dogs lost her scent at Gano and Debarry. If this is correct, she would have been past JH's house if she made it to Debarry. She would have even been past those apartment buildings on Gano. No witness has said (as far as we know) that they saw her go past 1152 Gano nor stop there, although people had seen her stop there on other occasions to pet the white dog, but the dog was gone on that day - JH's parents reportedly took the dog when they moved to Callahan, so somer would have probably known the dog had not been there for two weeks.

IMO it defies logic to think that somer got that far past JH's house, but that he was following her in broad daylight and snatched her in a crowd of other kids and crossing guards, parents walking with their kids, LE parked in the OPAA parking lot within sight of JH's house, cars going by, etc. It could have happened that way, but it's hard for me to imagine that scenario. But unless she veered off the normal path home, it seems SOMEBODY did snatch her off that busy street with all this going on and nobody saw or heard a thing.

Some witness saw her on the swings. WHICH swings? WHERE? Did any two witnesses see somer at the same place at the same time? It's hard to tell. It seems people saw her everywhere except where she was abducted.

New1
03-13-2010, 11:56 PM
The other thing i wanted to mention was, did L.E. just arrest J.H. initially with the computer evidence and throw him in jail, and then work on establishing whether it was really all of his content on the computer/s?

IIRC they first arrested him for the child porn found on his computer and the disk, then after he was brought back to clay county, they arrested him for child molestation after they found the video of him molesting the 3 year old relative.

Kimberlyd125
03-14-2010, 10:20 AM
New1: Can I ask why you think Somer was not molested? I mean I would hope and pray she wasn't, but I think she was.
One of the reasons I think she was is the fact they named a child porn freak that molested before a POI.

What would have been the reason for someone to kill her and put her in the garbage if it were not a sex crime?

angelswatchoverthem
03-14-2010, 02:51 PM
That is exactly what my previous post was about. I do in fact think she was sexually molested, otherwise L.E. would have had to extend their looking at POI's. If it was a murder alone, this could definitely have had other connotations and implications attached as to "reasons why", IMO.
New1, i agree if his semen is found as DNA, he is most definitely a goner! This is definitely how other rapes&murders have been solved.

angelswatchoverthem
03-14-2010, 02:54 PM
New1: Can I ask why you think Somer was not molested? I mean I would hope and pray she wasn't, but I think she was.
One of the reasons I think she was is the fact they named a child porn freak that molested before a POI.

What would have been the reason for someone to kill her and put her in the garbage if it were not a sex crime?

Murderers usually have "their reasons", as screwed up as they are to a normal person. One reason could be extreme anger toward a family member, as a "payback", in other instances. Just examples of maybe "why".

Kimberlyd125
03-14-2010, 02:57 PM
Murderers usually have "their reasons", as screwed up as they are to a normal person. One reason could be extreme anger toward a family member, as a "payback", in other instances. Just examples of maybe "why".

Of course I know there are tons of reasons people murder. Well, reason's in their minds...really no reason to ever murder.

But, I just don't see those other reasons coming into play on this case.

We have wondered and guessed since Oct. if Somer was sexually assaulted or not. I think the fact the only POI ever named in this case is a pedo tells me this crime was sexually driven.

angelswatchoverthem
03-14-2010, 03:00 PM
IIRC they first arrested him for the child porn found on his computer and the disk, then after he was brought back to clay county, they arrested him for child molestation after they found the video of him molesting the 3 year old relative.

This is what i was trying to verify, thanks. So his initial arrest was on the first instance of child porn in his possession, i guess you could say, then they discovered his video? Was it actually a movie type video, or was it photos he had taken on a camera or both?
My feeling is he was producing this to maybe make some money?? I could be wrong, but if he had his contacts that were into this as well, then from what i have read about it, they can make some big money off of this kind of perversion. And he was unemployed i assume! As sick as it all is, i think it is a possibility.

angelswatchoverthem
03-14-2010, 03:05 PM
Of course I know there are tons of reasons people murder. Well, reason's in their minds...really no reason to ever murder.

But, I just don't see those other reasons coming into play on this case.

We have wondered and guessed since Oct. if Somer was sexually assaulted or not. I think the fact the only POI ever named in this case is a pedo tells me this crime was sexually driven.

I would have to agree on that score! I think it was a sex crime.

New1
03-14-2010, 03:07 PM
New1: Can I ask why you think Somer was not molested? I mean I would hope and pray she wasn't, but I think she was.
One of the reasons I think she was is the fact they named a child porn freak that molested before a POI.

What would have been the reason for someone to kill her and put her in the garbage if it were not a sex crime?

MOO - LE cleared so many RSO's so quickly. This makes me believe they were not LOOKING specifically for a sexual predator.

One reason why I don't think she was molested is because Sheriff Beseler said they tentatively identified her by "clothes she was WEARING" and a birthmark on her leg. I think that statistics show that when a child is sexually molested and then killed, especially by a child molester, he/she does not take the time to re-dress the victim before disposing of the body. Another thing was that she was found wrapped in a rug/carpet. Sexual predators usually just dump their victims body as quickly as they can and not try to dress them and cover them up in something and they usually take them to an isolated area to do the molesting and dumping of the body and just leave it in that isolated area and get the heck out of there immediately.

Reasons to kill her, other than for sexual molestation, could be any number of things including rage, satanic rituals, or her stumbling upon drug activity or something worse, accidental death then killer panicked, just to name a few.

If you will think back to some of the more recent cases like Meredith Emerson, she was killed by a sexual predator, found naked and decapitated, and left in an isolated area. Chelsea King, raped (I assume left naked because they found her panties before they found her) buried in a shallow grave near a lake - easy place to dig because of the moist soil. Amber Dubois also found in an isolated area not too far from where Chelsea King was found, but she had been there for a long time - they only found skeletal remains of her.

Do you know of ANY cases where sexual predators re-dressed their victims, wrapped them up in something, and dumped them in a dumpster or landfill? I don't. I can't think of one single case at the moment. I've heard or read when the body is found clothed or wrapped in something, that indicates that the killer feels remorse or regret over the murder. Sexual predators have no remorse or regret when they kill...just a sense of warped pleasure and satisfaction.

Again, these are MOO. I hope this clears up why I think she was not sexually molested. I hope I am right and that she did not have to endure sexual molestation plus a horribly heinous death. The best I can hope for was that it was quick. I don't want to think about torture before the murder.

I hope whoever did this to Somer pays for a long, long, time. It was such a senseless loss of a young life.

Kimberlyd125
03-14-2010, 03:08 PM
I would have to agree on that score! I think it was a sex crime.

From the very beginning, I thought this was a snatch/rape/kill/dump crime.

But, to tell you the truth, when months went by without LE saying Somer was sexually assaulted, I kinda thought maybe she wasn't. I thought maybe that's why they were unable or unwilling to rule anybody out.

Then they named JH as a POI. That kinda answered the question for me. I 100% believe she was.

angelswatchoverthem
03-14-2010, 03:27 PM
I hope you are right for those that think Somer was not sexually molested. But then i think evidence would be much more difficult to pin on any one person alone, considering the nature of the crime, the fact she was dumped at the landfill, with so much else that would have been on her! If she was in fact rolled up in a rug, which we really don't know for a fact at this stage, then maybe there is a strong possibility of some DNA being left on her, if she was still wrapped in that rug? If there was a rug, then maybe they linked that to J.H's home? But then they could argue someone else took it from his home ,perhaps while he was not there?There is so much to just assume here, but not much in the way of facts! If she had not been wrapped in a rug after all, then evidence could be very sketchy.
That is what brings me back to think maybe they really don't have that much to go on anyway, in being really positive they have the right person that did this? L.E. still naming him as a POI, which really doesn't mean anything?
But then why Corey's statement??

New1
03-14-2010, 04:21 PM
She is a PROSECUTOR! By nature, any POI LE arrests would be deemed by her to be THE ONE. It will be HER job to prosecute him. Is she going to say "well, I don't think LE has the right one"? Prosecutors have thought LE had the right one millions of times, but Juries acquitted them when it went to trial. Some acquitted have indeed been guilty, but others have been convicted who were innocent. Things are not always what they seem to be. Yes, she has years of experience working with LE on cases, but that doesn't mean that statements made by her are the gospel. Humans make mistakes - ALL humans, no matter how much experience they have. So, I don't take her statement as proof they have the right one. I take it as her opinion.

If JH is THE ONE, I hope he is the one who pays. Even if he didn't kill somer, he needs to be off the streets so he cannot view, make, or distribute any more child porn, or molest any more children, but for her to say that people who have prayed and grieved for somer can be at ease now? I don't think that is true. They should NEVER rest easy with other child predators on the loose, and look how many others are walking the streets of Orange Park.

I wish they were ALL locked up - I wish it was " one and you're done"! One is one too many!

angelswatchoverthem
03-14-2010, 04:41 PM
She is a PROSECUTOR! By nature, any POI LE arrests would be deemed by her to be THE ONE. It will be HER job to prosecute him. Is she going to say "well, I don't think LE has the right one"? Prosecutors have thought LE had the right one millions of times, but Juries acquitted them when it went to trial. Some acquitted have indeed been guilty, but others have been convicted who were innocent. Things are not always what they seem to be. Yes, she has years of experience working with LE on cases, but that doesn't mean that statements made by her are the gospel. Humans make mistakes - ALL humans, no matter how much experience they have. So, I don't take her statement as proof they have the right one. I take it as her opinion.

If JH is THE ONE, I hope he is the one who pays. Even if he didn't kill somer, he needs to be off the streets so he cannot view, make, or distribute any more child porn, or molest any more children, but for her to say that people who have prayed and grieved for somer can be at ease now? I don't think that is true. They should NEVER rest easy with other child predators on the loose, and look how many others are walking the streets of Orange Park.

I wish they were ALL locked up - I wish it was " one and you're done"! One is one too many!

Yes, you make some good points. And indeed, things are not always what they seem. This so far, is one opinion only, we haven't heard anything from anyone else working closely on this case yet.
I said exactly the same thing in a post a while back, no one can ever be at ease as far as child predators out there, because for each one that is caught, there are so many more around out there, and quite a few in and around where Somer lived. I definitely feel Corey could have worded that statement a lot better, far as i'm concerned it was a fairly loaded statement, like" here it is, now make of it what you will", kind of a statement.

BeanE
03-14-2010, 04:59 PM
But 3 mnths. later Caylee's body had still not been found. Didn't they find her remains 6 mnths later? Around Dec.
I think from memory C.A. was in jail a couple of times, before she was finally put in there to stay. Then again i suppose she did get bailed out by L.P. at least once. I guess J.H. doesn't have the bail part of it? Isn't he there with no bail? Initially it was a million dollars, but they then changed that from what i read. I wonder if it was only because of the child porn/molestation charges alone or something else?
Then look at Haleigh. They are in jail for drug trafficking, caught red handed by L.E., yet Haleigh is still missing, and they still have a bond they can get out of jail with, if they can get the money.

Yes, she was in jail, but on other charges - not homicide related - same as JH. The homicide charges didn't come until the end of October.

eyes4crime
03-14-2010, 05:27 PM
Just a couple comments:

Do we know for sure who is prosecuting JH regarding the child porn? And if there are more charges regarding Somer, do we know for sure Corey will be the prosecuting attorney? How about the Asst. States Attorney?

I can think of a couple reasons Somer may not have been raped:
...The perp was interrupted and short of time - had to get rid of the body
...Murderer used Somer for other purposes

Seems to me that I've read cases where the rapist didn't take ALL the child (victim) clothes off. I remember thinking she could have been partially dressed. Somer may have had on an identifying top with her legs sticking out unclothed, and identified by a tattoo on her leg - could mean she was found 1/2 clothed. MOO

eyes4crime
03-14-2010, 05:31 PM
A very good explanation of why JH is not charged right away with the murder of Somer:

~~snipped~~
here is a good reason why Harrell is named only as a person of interest for now, he said. "One of the issues is, if there's an arrest in Somer's case, you start a timeclock, and it starts ticking and you can't reset that.

Once an arrest is made and a charge formally filed, authorities must go to trial within 175 days, unless the time restriction is waived. "Once you charge somebody, you are obligated to turn over to defense attorneys all the information you have."

Carson said in a case like Somer's, you don't want to do that too quickly.

"If I was the investigator, I'd be stalling that as long as we could to make sure we got (all the) information we could out of the evidence that we have," said Carson.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=152277&catid=3

Kimberlyd125
03-14-2010, 05:54 PM
MOO - LE cleared so many RSO's so quickly. This makes me believe they were not LOOKING specifically for a sexual predator.

One reason why I don't think she was molested is because Sheriff Beseler said they tentatively identified her by "clothes she was WEARING" and a birthmark on her leg. I think that statistics show that when a child is sexually molested and then killed, especially by a child molester, he/she does not take the time to re-dress the victim before disposing of the body. Another thing was that she was found wrapped in a rug/carpet. Sexual predators usually just dump their victims body as quickly as they can and not try to dress them and cover them up in something and they usually take them to an isolated area to do the molesting and dumping of the body and just leave it in that isolated area and get the heck out of there immediately.

Reasons to kill her, other than for sexual molestation, could be any number of things including rage, satanic rituals, or her stumbling upon drug activity or something worse, accidental death then killer panicked, just to name a few.

If you will think back to some of the more recent cases like Meredith Emerson, she was killed by a sexual predator, found naked and decapitated, and left in an isolated area. Chelsea King, raped (I assume left naked because they found her panties before they found her) buried in a shallow grave near a lake - easy place to dig because of the moist soil. Amber Dubois also found in an isolated area not too far from where Chelsea King was found, but she had been there for a long time - they only found skeletal remains of her.

Do you know of ANY cases where sexual predators re-dressed their victims, wrapped them up in something, and dumped them in a dumpster or landfill? I don't. I can't think of one single case at the moment. I've heard or read when the body is found clothed or wrapped in something, that indicates that the killer feels remorse or regret over the murder. Sexual predators have no remorse or regret when they kill...just a sense of warped pleasure and satisfaction.
Again, these are MOO. I hope this clears up why I think she was not sexually molested. I hope I am right and that she did not have to endure sexual molestation plus a horribly heinous death. The best I can hope for was that it was quick. I don't want to think about torture before the murder.

I hope whoever did this to Somer pays for a long, long, time. It was such a senseless loss of a young life.

BBM

I understand what you are saying and why you feel the way you do.

But, the BBM part above I disagree with. If JH is indeed the killer I think about it like this...
If it were his 1st kill and he didn't really "mean" to kill her...he just got overly excited *at 200 something pounds* the act alone could have killed her. If this was his 1st rape, he may have freaked out and realized that a 7 year old could tell...anyway, after the fact, he's got a deceased 7 year old. He may have felt sad for her. He may have felt ashamed for what he did.
As far as wrapping her in a rug, they may have been the only way he thought he could get her out the house and into the car or dump that people would not think was hinky.

KWIM

Dr.Fessel
03-14-2010, 06:09 PM
MOO - LE cleared so many RSO's so quickly. This makes me believe they were not LOOKING specifically for a sexual predator.

One reason why I don't think she was molested is because Sheriff Beseler said they tentatively identified her by "clothes she was WEARING" and a birthmark on her leg. I think that statistics show that when a child is sexually molested and then killed, especially by a child molester, he/she does not take the time to re-dress the victim before disposing of the body. Another thing was that she was found wrapped in a rug/carpet. Sexual predators usually just dump their victims body as quickly as they can and not try to dress them and cover them up in something and they usually take them to an isolated area to do the molesting and dumping of the body and just leave it in that isolated area and get the heck out of there immediately.

Reasons to kill her, other than for sexual molestation, could be any number of things including rage, satanic rituals, or her stumbling upon drug activity or something worse, accidental death then killer panicked, just to name a few.

If you will think back to some of the more recent cases like Meredith Emerson, she was killed by a sexual predator, found naked and decapitated, and left in an isolated area. Chelsea King, raped (I assume left naked because they found her panties before they found her) buried in a shallow grave near a lake - easy place to dig because of the moist soil. Amber Dubois also found in an isolated area not too far from where Chelsea King was found, but she had been there for a long time - they only found skeletal remains of her.

Do you know of ANY cases where sexual predators re-dressed their victims, wrapped them up in something, and dumped them in a dumpster or landfill? I don't. I can't think of one single case at the moment. I've heard or read when the body is found clothed or wrapped in something, that indicates that the killer feels remorse or regret over the murder. Sexual predators have no remorse or regret when they kill...just a sense of warped pleasure and satisfaction.

Again, these are MOO. I hope this clears up why I think she was not sexually molested. I hope I am right and that she did not have to endure sexual molestation plus a horribly heinous death. The best I can hope for was that it was quick. I don't want to think about torture before the murder.

I hope whoever did this to Somer pays for a long, long, time. It was such a senseless loss of a young life.

That could simply mean her clothes were with the body when they found it. WEARING meaning the clothes she was wearing when she went missing.

Kimberlyd125
03-14-2010, 06:14 PM
Clothes she was wearing could also mean shirt she was wearing or jacket she was wearing. I don't think we heard the sheriff say she was FULLY clothed did we?

ETA: And also, kinda like what doc was saying...He could have laid her on the rug/carpet and threw her clothes into it and rolled it up to dump it. I'm sure he would not want the clothes at his house right. Even if he didn't take the time to dress her, I would think he would have disposed of her belongings with her.

krowdkat
03-14-2010, 06:16 PM
Do you know of ANY cases where sexual predators re-dressed their victims, wrapped them up in something, and dumped them in a dumpster or landfill? I don't.

respectfully snipped...The Oakland County Michigan Child Killer molested, the boys he took. No evidence on the girls. However, they were all groomed, well-fed, and redressed. DNA wasn't available back then.

http://www.michigandoes.com/ColdSerial/occk.html

Noway
03-14-2010, 06:22 PM
Just a couple comments:

Do we know for sure who is prosecuting JH regarding the child porn? And if there are more charges regarding Somer, do we know for sure Corey will be the prosecuting attorney? How about the Asst. States Attorney?

I can think of a couple reasons Somer may not have been raped:
...The perp was interrupted and short of time - had to get rid of the body
...Murderer used Somer for other purposes

Seems to me that I've read cases where the rapist didn't take ALL the child (victim) clothes off. I remember thinking she could have been partially dressed. Somer may have had on an identifying top with her legs sticking out unclothed, and identified by a tattoo on her leg - could mean she was found 1/2 clothed. MOO

Steve Nelson?

His name was at the bottom of the warrant documents. I saw mention of him in article too.

ETA

BBM above

snipped
Corey is in regular communication with Clay County Sheriff Rick Beesler, while Steve Nelson is the "hands on, minute to minute" State Attorney working with the Sheriff's office.

http://wokv.com/event_guide/movies.html


snipped
Clay County prosecutor Steve Nelson said the new charges are related to the same victim, a 3-year-old girl who Harrell's accused of molesting, and the child pornography images and video that deputies said they found on Harrell's computer last month.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/22794869/detail.html

Dr.Fessel
03-14-2010, 06:24 PM
art of the killer's ritual included re-dressing his victims just prior or just after their deaths. While there was no evidence of sexual assault on the female victims, both male victims had been sodomized. As a result of the killer apparently taking care of the children prior to murdering them, his moniker grimly became "The Babysitter".

Dr.Fessel
03-14-2010, 06:27 PM
It is so high profile I would think Corey would be the one to prosecute.

BeanE
03-14-2010, 06:28 PM
Shaniya Davis's body was found in her tshirt and, I believe, her panties. She had been raped.

krowdkat
03-14-2010, 06:30 PM
art of the killer's ritual included re-dressing his victims just prior or just after their deaths. While there was no evidence of sexual assault on the female victims, both male victims had been sodomized. As a result of the killer apparently taking care of the children prior to murdering them, his moniker grimly became "The Babysitter".

Jill Robinson's father was actually my English professor in the early 90's. He dated my neighbor. And, believe it or not, a good friend of mine and his friend found her body along I-75 in Troy, MI, while walking around with their bb guns just after Christmas. This scary case has been with me for years. Sadly enough.

Dr.Fessel
03-14-2010, 06:35 PM
Krowdkat, I swear I read a book that was loosely based on those murders. Can't remember the name of it but there was a serial killer leaving kids bodies along the roads outside of detroit. Had some stuff in it about crooked DA's. It was a pretty good book.

belimom
03-14-2010, 06:41 PM
Shaniya Davis's body was found in her tshirt and, I believe, her panties. She had been raped.

That may be debatable:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6426418/

One man who found the body said the girl was lying on the ground and was wearing only a T-shirt.

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:Inb6y1BJEgsJ:badbreeders.net/2009/11/17/shaniya-davis-found-dead/
She was found dead, decomposing, next to a deer carcass, wearing only a tshirt.

Kimberlyd125
03-14-2010, 06:41 PM
Shaniya Davis's body was found in her tshirt and, I believe, her panties. She had been raped.

Yes, and that's exactly how she left the house that morning. In an oversized t-shirt and panties.

ETA:
And, also seen on the video at the hotel in that shirt and panties.

ETAagain: Now that I'm thinking about it, she may not have had her panites on when found. I'll have to go check.

ETA again: Thanks for clearing that up Belimom.

krowdkat
03-14-2010, 06:42 PM
Krowdkat, I swear I read a book that was loosely based on those murders. Can't remember the name of it but there was a serial killer leaving kids bodies along the roads outside of detroit. Had some stuff in it about crooked DA's. It was a pretty good book.

I haven't read any books on the case, but I moved to MI in 1983 and my significant other told me all about the fear in the community. Professor Robinson was one of the most kind and excellent professors I have ever had. There was a quiet sadness about him. Then after I moved to my current home (15 years ago), I found out my across the street neighbor actually dated him sometime after his daughter was discovered murdered. My handy carpenter and up the street neighbor disclosed that he and his buddy actually found her body in a snow bank after Christmas. They ran home and told their parents who then called Troy police. Talk about 6 degrees of seperation.

The case is still being investigated but many believe the perp/perps are actually dead.

Noway
03-14-2010, 06:43 PM
It is so high profile I would think Corey would be the one to prosecute.

The child porn charges?

Or do you mean Somer's murder trial?


ETA
Because without the connection to Somer, Harrell's porn charges are not that high profile, are they?

GRANNYL
03-14-2010, 06:45 PM
We knew she was found in Georgia and she was found before she was buried in the dump so I always read that statement as they found her before she was buried with tons of garbage at the dump. I think the police spokeswoman told us just how it was done but she left out they did some searching at the transfer station.

The backend of the process would be buried in the dump.

You are so right!! Don't understand why that can't be understood.

CCSO is under no obligation to tell us anything until they are ready to charge someone. Period! Why should they explain everything to the public and chance hurting the case against whoever killed Somer??

And about the interview do you really believe the media over LE? I sure don't! Learned many years ago they screw up every story they write or tell. Either adding to or removing. They are know for taking a few clues and blowing them totally out of context just to have a story. Personally as much as I'd like to know what is going on I"M GLAD our Sheriff is not releasing what they have, why should he take that chance. I think we all need to just chill and wait until the time is right and LE will let us know.

I don't understand why we keep going over the same things over and over that has been discussed since day one and answered over and over. It's not going to change the answer and certainly not going to make LE tell us something that is not true to shut us up. They only want to tell us the truth when the time is right. JMO

Dr.Fessel
03-14-2010, 06:46 PM
The child porn charges?

Or do you mean Somer's murder trial?

Somer's murder trial.

Kimberlyd125
03-14-2010, 06:47 PM
But, we don't know for sure if Somer had her panites and pants on when found.

Either way, I think she may have been raped. *I HATE TYPING THAT*

Noway
03-14-2010, 06:50 PM
Regardless of what our interpretation is of the statements, she was buried in tons of trash, just not as many tons as if she had undergone the entire process at the Georgia landfill and not been found.

Noway
03-14-2010, 06:53 PM
Somer's murder trial.


Thank you. Just for clarification, my response to Eyes4crime was in regard to who would be prosecuting Jarred's porn trial.

And my answer to that depends on whether he is eventually connected to Somer.


Eyes4crime:
Just a couple comments:

Do we know for sure who is prosecuting JH regarding the child porn? And if there are more charges regarding Somer, do we know for sure Corey will be the prosecuting attorney? How about the Asst. States Attorney?

I can think of a couple reasons Somer may not have been raped:
...The perp was interrupted and short of time - had to get rid of the body
...Murderer used Somer for other purposes

Seems to me that I've read cases where the rapist didn't take ALL the child (victim) clothes off. I remember thinking she could have been partially dressed. Somer may have had on an identifying top with her legs sticking out unclothed, and identified by a tattoo on her leg - could mean she was found 1/2 clothed. MOO

Dr.Fessel
03-14-2010, 06:56 PM
Regardless of what our interpretation is of the statements, she was buried in tons of trash, just not as many tons as if she had undergone the entire process at the Georgia landfill and not been found.

Buried and amongst are two different words. She was probably no deeper in garbage when she was found then she was in the truck when first picked up and taken to the Station.

At the dump in just a few days she could have been buried under more garbage, dirt placed on top of that then buried under more garbage.

eyes4crime
03-14-2010, 06:59 PM
Thank you. Just for clarification, my response to Eyes4crime was in regard to who would be prosecuting Jarred's porn trial.

And my answer to that depends on whether he is eventually connected to Somer.

thanks Noway for the response. Child porn is a federal offense - and I would think that if he goes to trial for porn charges it would be the States Attorney. If he is charged with the murder of Somer, I would think a DA representing Clay County would do the prosecuting.

Noway
03-14-2010, 07:00 PM
Buried and amongst are two different words. She was probably no deeper in garbage when she was found then she was in the truck when first picked up and taken to the Station.

At the dump in just a few days she could have been buried under more garbage, dirt placed on top of that then buried under more garbage.

Fessel, I swear I read somewhere that they did not have to dig at all. That she "popped to the surface" or words to that effect.

ETA
I misread but this is the article:
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-10-22/story/search_for_somer_thompson_experts_say_landfill_for ensics_search_isnt_eas (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-10-22/story/search_for_somer_thompson_experts_say_landfill_for ensics_search_isnt_eas)

"Even in a fresh situation like they were dealing with [in the Somer case], unless you're so lucky that the body just pops out on top, you're going to have to do some excavation," said Paul Laska, a forensic consultant in Palm City. As a crime-scene investigator, he spent a month in 1993 excavating a Martin County landfill looking for a little girl's body.

Kimberlyd125
03-14-2010, 07:03 PM
Fessel, I swear I read somewhere that they did not have to dig at all. That she "popped to the surface" or words to that effect.

Yes, I think I remember them saying her partially covered leg/legs were sticking out from under. So I am assuming the top protion of her body was covered by garbage and the lower part was exposed. So, not deep at all. IMO

Dr.Fessel
03-14-2010, 07:04 PM
Fessel, I swear I read somewhere that they did not have to dig at all. That she "popped to the surface" or words to that effect.


She might have, just imagine a semi trailer backs up to dump, the trailer rasies up and the driver pulls ahead dumping the garbage on the ground. They would have a line of garbage as long as the length of the trailer and some of that garbage would be on top of the pile some would spill and fall off to the side of the long pile.

Dr.Fessel
03-14-2010, 07:06 PM
Thank you. Just for clarification, my response to Eyes4crime was in regard to who would be prosecuting Jarred's porn trial.

And my answer to that depends on whether he is eventually connected to Somer.


I was just answering the part of her question you did not.

(well not really, i misread it. LOL LOL)

Noway
03-14-2010, 07:13 PM
thanks Noway for the response. Child porn is a federal offense - and I would think that if he goes to trial for porn charges it would be the States Attorney. If he is charged with the murder of Somer, I would think a DA representing Clay County would do the prosecuting.

Any idea who that would be? Is this accurate?

ETA: County Attorney
The County Attorney is Mark H. Scruby, who was appointed to the position on a full-time basis effective October 1, 1989. He is a graduate of Furman University (B.A. 1979), and of the University of Florida College of Law (J.D. 1982). Email correspondence may be addressed to: Mark.Scruby@co.clay.fl.us (Mark.Scruby@co.clay.fl.us)

http://www.claycountygov.com/Departments/Attorneys/Attorneys.htm


I thought Fessel was right and Angela Corey would be involved.

Dr.Fessel
03-14-2010, 07:17 PM
Fessel, I swear I read somewhere that they did not have to dig at all. That she "popped to the surface" or words to that effect.

ETA
I misread but this is the article:
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-10-22/story/search_for_somer_thompson_experts_say_landfill_for ensics_search_isnt_eas (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-10-22/story/search_for_somer_thompson_experts_say_landfill_for ensics_search_isnt_eas)

"Even in a fresh situation like they were dealing with [in the Somer case], unless you're so lucky that the body just pops out on top, you're going to have to do some excavation," said Paul Laska, a forensic consultant in Palm City. As a crime-scene investigator, he spent a month in 1993 excavating a Martin County landfill looking for a little girl's body.

I just read that article Noway and I don't think anything that guy said had to do with the kind of search they were doing for Somer. They were just dumping those truck loads and the guys going through them first before they allowed the bulldozers spread out the garbage.

eyes4crime
03-14-2010, 07:21 PM
Any idea who that would be? Is this accurate?

ETA: County Attorney
The County Attorney is Mark H. Scruby, who was appointed to the position on a full-time basis effective October 1, 1989. He is a graduate of Furman University (B.A. 1979), and of the University of Florida College of Law (J.D. 1982). Email correspondence may be addressed to: Mark.Scruby@co.clay.fl.us (Mark.Scruby@co.clay.fl.us)

http://www.claycountygov.com/Departments/Attorneys/Attorneys.htm


I thought Fessel was right and Angela Corey would be involved.

I have no idea! Could be the Asst. States Attorney for all I know.

Here in Illinois, States Attorney, Lisa Madigan, is known for her convictions of sex offenders. If she had her way, there would be an island for all child predators to die on. But she doesn't prosecute them all - hardly.

Dr.Fessel
03-14-2010, 07:28 PM
Noway, it looks like a States Attorney covers a certain amount of Counties in Florida.

You can see the ones Corey covers here.

http://www.sao4th.com/

Every dang link on the page is a pdf. LOL LOL


Now I don't know maybe all the counties are divided into circuits and she is the head of them all. Let me keep checking.

Noway
03-14-2010, 07:39 PM
LOL, Fessel ... I know ... I was on that page before.

Dr.Fessel
03-14-2010, 07:39 PM
Florida has an Attorney General and then 20 States Attorneys.

Outdated list.

http://sa18.state.fl.us/general/saolist.htm

New1
03-14-2010, 07:44 PM
Yes, she was in jail, but on other charges - not homicide related - same as JH. The homicide charges didn't come until the end of October.

I think you are mistaken on that, but not sure. I think the day she was arrested for murder Cindy drove her to her attorney's office, he appeared with casey on camera and they arrested her for murder on the way back home. Remember Cindy pulled under a bridge and casey got out of the car and got into the car with whoever took her to jail? She was out on bail before the arrest for murder which was October 14th, IIRC.

cathdawg
03-14-2010, 08:34 PM
Oct. 15/08 Grand Jury indicts Casey Anthony in murder charges.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,437603,00.html

eyes4crime
03-14-2010, 08:38 PM
oct. 15/08 grand jury indicts casey anthony in murder charges.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,437603,00.html

finally!! Now for the trial!

angelswatchoverthem
03-14-2010, 09:14 PM
Yes, she was in jail, but on other charges - not homicide related - same as JH. The homicide charges didn't come until the end of October.

I thought she was in jail because she was the only suspect in the case of the disappearance of her daughter! Caylee's body wasn't found yet, at that stage.

darlin gal
03-14-2010, 09:23 PM
I thought she was in jail because she was the only suspect in the case of the disappearance of her daughter! Caylee's body wasn't found yet, at that stage.


She was first jailed on child endangerment/neglect and lying to the investigators.

Then arrested for the check charges, twice.

Then murder.

Dr.Fessel
03-14-2010, 09:27 PM
I thought she was in jail because she was the only suspect in the case of the disappearance of her daughter! Caylee's body wasn't found yet, at that stage.

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony, the mother of missing toddler Caylee Anthony, was formally charged with one misdemeanor charge of filing a false report and one felony charge of child neglect by the State Attorney's Office on Tuesday.



"We have to file charges within 33 days or they could be released on their own recognizance," Assistant State Attorney Mike Saunders said.

Saunders is referring to the so-called 33-day rule that could have done away with the state's $500,000 bond, but the state attorney's official charges ends any hope of that.

Casey Anthony was arrested on July 16 on charges of child neglect.

Her attorney, Jose Baez, said he plans to ask the Fifth District Court of Appeals for a re-hearing on her bond reduction request. That has to happen before he can appeal to the Florida Supreme Court.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17099679/detail.html


The only connection to the charges she had and then the murder one was the victim.

JH's murder charge to come will be connected by the crimes I bet. I think there will be molesting on the murder charge.

Noway
03-14-2010, 09:56 PM
How did I get in this thread?

It's weird but my computer says Somer Renee Thompson at the top of the screen. ;)

Kimberlyd125
03-15-2010, 08:25 AM
Bumping for Somer.

Noway
03-15-2010, 11:01 AM
I was trying to find out more about the Somer Thompson Foundation and what it does -- but only found one little mention of it from November (http://www.facebook.com/pages/No-Peace-For-Predators/174546592128?v=feed&story_fbid=190427032128)and then the recent announcement that indicated the kickoff was to be March 27.

Does anyone here know what the Foundation is going to do (raise awareness of missing children, provide assistance to missing children, etc.)?

TIA


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL- Somer Renee Thompson, Orange Park, Thread #39

Kimberlyd125
03-15-2010, 11:20 AM
I was trying to find out more about the Somer Thompson Foundation and what it does -- but only found one little mention of it from November (http://www.facebook.com/pages/No-Peace-For-Predators/174546592128?v=feed&story_fbid=190427032128)and then the recent announcement that indicated the kickoff was to be March 27.

Does anyone here know what the Foundation is going to do (raise awareness of missing children, provide assistance to missing children, etc.)?

TIA


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL- Somer Renee Thompson, Orange Park, Thread #39 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4892339&postcount=926)

IIRC the info is supposed to be made public at the concert???
I don't know why they are doing it that way, but I think that's what I remember.

Noway
03-15-2010, 11:31 AM
That's what it said ... but if they were raising money for the Foundation back in November, I would think that information were already available.

Patience is not one of my strong points. But I guess I can wait a couple more weeks.

Kimberlyd125
03-15-2010, 11:33 AM
I agree. The info should have been made public before now.
Seems Freed would know that people want to know where their money is going.

New1
03-15-2010, 12:06 PM
Is the concert another fundraiser?

Kimberlyd125
03-15-2010, 12:10 PM
Is the concert another fundraiser?

Yes, it was mentioned here before. I don't know if it's combined with the "walk" thing or not.

Noway
03-15-2010, 12:10 PM
I think they are making a mistake by not letting people know -- I mean I assume that it will have something to do with missing/murdered children but I still think it makes more sense to let the public know ... and maybe they will before March 27.

ETA
Molly Hatchet would not lure me in, but donating to a good cause would. I'd just to know what the cause was first.

dannyodie
03-15-2010, 12:26 PM
wonder if jh fits this type of predator?
Ambusher abductor – This predator waits for his victim to come into “his” territory,
and then pounces. It may be a child who simply walks past their house everyday, then
one day they deceive the child and invite them into their home or car.

Noway
03-15-2010, 12:29 PM
Dannyodie, do you have source? That is interesting ... I'd seen something about types of predators but thought he fit the introvert ...

BeanE
03-15-2010, 12:36 PM
Dannyodie, do you have source? That is interesting ... I'd seen something about types of predators but thought he fit the introvert ...

http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/images/Child_stranger_abduction.pdf

Noway
03-15-2010, 12:47 PM
He has an interesting take on teaching children not to talk to strangers.

What he seems to miss is that adults and children may view "stranger" as a different thing.

New1
03-15-2010, 03:13 PM
I think they are making a mistake by not letting people know -- I mean I assume that it will have something to do with missing/murdered children but I still think it makes more sense to let the public know ... and maybe they will before March 27.

ETA
Molly Hatchet would not lure me in, but donating to a good cause would. I'd just to know what the cause was first.

Would the concert/walk/fundraiser lure you in to find out what the foundation is about?

Noway
03-15-2010, 04:02 PM
Would the concert/walk/fundraiser lure you in to find out what the foundation is about?

Well, it might lure my money in (and really, that's the point of the event). My actual self remains in Montana.

ETA
And so I will have to wait until not only the kickoff but until the first report is made on the kickoff ... unless someone answers my email. :)

Noway
03-15-2010, 04:32 PM
I think the Foundation does not exist yet, and that is why I cannot find information on it.

Kimberlyd125
03-15-2010, 04:39 PM
I think the Foundation does not exist yet, and that is why I cannot find information on it.

I think you may be right.

I remember something saying the foundation kick off. So maybe this will be the first fundraiser for the foundation.
Maybe the previous fundraisers were for the family.

Noway
03-15-2010, 05:02 PM
Maybe my mistake was in thinking they were a nonprofit organization -- that is what I've been trying to find.

ETA
I thought "Foundation" meant nonprofit but IRS did not have listed ... and I think I insulted the IRS man when I asked him if his database was up-to-date.

Kimberlyd125
03-15-2010, 05:24 PM
Maybe my mistake was in thinking they were a nonprofit organization -- that is what I've been trying to find.

ETA
I thought "Foundation" meant nonprofit but IRS did not have listed ... and I think I insulted the IRS man when I asked him if his database was up-to-date.

get ready for an audit next year!

I think you were right that it has not been established yet or has not received donations yet. Since the event is the foundations kick off.

Noway
03-15-2010, 05:48 PM
Yes, I thought that someone was raising money for the Foundation in November but it does not look like that group (http://www.facebook.com/pages/No-Peace-For-Predators/174546592128?v=feed&story_fbid=190427032128) was associated with Somer Thompson in an official capacity. IDK

dannyodie
03-15-2010, 06:17 PM
http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/images/Child_stranger_abduction.pdf

thnks BeanE. thts the link norway. yes it is very interesting, I think that a pedophile is considered an adult that targets very young childern such as jh has with a three yr old. predators are ummmm people who commit sex crimes such as rape and child sexual abuse are commenly referred to as sexual predators, I myself place jh as a pedophile. so a victim like somer would be a choice target for him....

karen in New York
03-15-2010, 09:43 PM
Maybe my mistake was in thinking they were a nonprofit organization -- that is what I've been trying to find.

ETA
I thought "Foundation" meant nonprofit but IRS did not have listed ... and I think I insulted the IRS man when I asked him if his database was up-to-date.

In New York State all nonprofits are required to register with the charities bureau. They then receive a registration number. That number is then used on their IRS Tax Forms (990s). This bureau is part of NY State government. Run out of the State Attorney Generals Office. All registered charities are listed by name and number and that list is available online. Perhaps Florida is similar?

Dr.Fessel
03-15-2010, 09:55 PM
I wonder how much money the good people of florida will have to donate to Jarred Harrells defense fund and trial and his room and board for however long he gets?

The sad thing is the people don't have a choice to donate to his cause or not, they are forced to by the government.

Kimberlyd125
03-15-2010, 10:09 PM
I wonder how much money the good people of florida will have to donate to Jarred Harrells defense fund and trial and his room and board for however long he gets?

The sad thing is the people don't have a choice to donate to his cause or not, they are forced to by the government.

So true Doc!!!

awakewriter
03-15-2010, 10:51 PM
http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/images/Child_stranger_abduction.pdf

The information about types of predators is very interesting.

For everyone's information, though, the strategy the author advocates for teaching your children about strangers is NOT what the Center for Missing and Exploited Children recommends.

SNIPPED from "Know the Rules...General Tips Parents and Guardians," a document distributed by the NCFMEC:

"Do not confuse children with the concept of “strangers.” Children do not have the same understanding of who a stranger is as an adult might. The “stranger-danger” message is not effective, as danger to children is often much greater from someone they or you know.

Practice what you talk about. You may think your children understand your message, but until they are able to incorporate it into their daily lives, it may not be clearly understood. Find opportunities to practice “what if” scenarios.
Teach your children it is more important to get out of a threatening situation than it is to be polite. They should be taught just because someone tries to engage them in conversation doesn't mean they should talk to that person or forget their safety rules. They also need to know it is okay to tell you what happened and they won’t be a tattletale."

Find more information here: http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/ResourceServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=0#Resource_3

Sorry for the O/T, but I think the NCFMEC is working hard to get this message out, and it is important we all know.

eyes4crime
03-15-2010, 11:06 PM
I wonder how much money the good people of florida will have to donate to Jarred Harrells defense fund and trial and his room and board for however long he gets?

The sad thing is the people don't have a choice to donate to his cause or not, they are forced to by the government.

That's okay - I'll donate. I'd rather pay the taxes so he can have a fair trial and a lawyer - otherwise, he walks on a technicality. That would be unacceptable. moo

Kimberlyd125
03-16-2010, 07:04 AM
Bumping for Somer.

Hope to hear something soon.

belimom
03-16-2010, 08:36 AM
The information about types of predators is very interesting.

For everyone's information, though, the strategy the author advocates for teaching your children about strangers is NOT what the Center for Missing and Exploited Children recommends.

SNIPPED from "Know the Rules...General Tips Parents and Guardians," a document distributed by the NCFMEC:

"Do not confuse children with the concept of “strangers.” Children do not have the same understanding of who a stranger is as an adult might. The “stranger-danger” message is not effective, as danger to children is often much greater from someone they or you know.

Practice what you talk about. You may think your children understand your message, but until they are able to incorporate it into their daily lives, it may not be clearly understood. Find opportunities to practice “what if” scenarios.
Teach your children it is more important to get out of a threatening situation than it is to be polite. They should be taught just because someone tries to engage them in conversation doesn't mean they should talk to that person or forget their safety rules. They also need to know it is okay to tell you what happened and they won’t be a tattletale."

Find more information here: http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/ResourceServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=0#Resource_3

Sorry for the O/T, but I think the NCFMEC is working hard to get this message out, and it is important we all know.

Very true... Wonderful book on this subject: Protecting the Gift (https://www.gavindebecker.com/index.php/resources/book/protecting_the_gift/) by Gavin De Becker, author of The Gift of Fear (https://www.gavindebecker.com/index.php/resources/book/the_gift_of_fear/).

Some tips from the book:
- it will very likely be a stranger that saves your child if lost/alone/escaping a predator
- don't squelch their natural instinct as toddlers/young children to use physical force/retaliation to defend themselves
- teach children to find a woman (not a police officer) when in trouble (police officers aren't on every corner, but women are everywhere and much less likely to be predators - esp. a woman who has children with her)
- teach them to scream/make noise/kick/fight -- to bring attention to themselves in any way possible (predators want compliant victims so as not to draw attention)

There are many more points - I think I did a more thorough outline on Shaniya's thread. But well worth the read for everyone...

redfish
03-16-2010, 03:13 PM
Bump, Bump!

Noway
03-16-2010, 03:40 PM
If you have a source that says something that contradicts the information below, please post it with the source. If it is a video, please provide the link to the video and indicate the mark at which the statement is made.

:star1:
Indicates updated material from the last posting of this. If you notice a broken link, let me know. I'll try to find a new source while still indicating where I found the original material.

2008
May-November: Estimated Date. LE believes that on or between these dates, Jarred Harrell is guilty of committing the offense Lewd & Lascivious Molestation, Use of a Child in a Sexual Performance, and Promoting a Sexual Performance. Source (http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/030910_Harrell.pdf)

August: Just after Rod Buchanan's stepson turned 17, stepson sees porn on Jarred's computer (see video, 5:46 mark). This was at GLD II's house on Gano. Source (http://www.news4jax.com/video/22548251/) Buchanan said his own stepson was playing on Harrell's computer last year and found some pornographic pictures. He told the adults in the family, but it was "kinda brushed under the rug," and no one reported it, Buchanan said. Source (http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20100212/US.Girl.in.Landfill/)

August-November: Estimated Date. LE believes that on or between these dates, Jarred Harrell is guilty of committing the offense Lewd & Lascivious Molestation of a Child Under 12 and Producing/Performing Sexual Performance of a Child (12 counts). Source (http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/022410_harrell_charges.pdf) (page 8) Later reports showed that he lived at house on Gano, and victim's mother identified the room her daughter was in as Jarred Harrell's room at 11xx Gano. Source (http://jacksonville.com/community/clay/2010-02-26/story/warrant_jarred_harrell_photosvideo_in_latest_arres t_originated_from_?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JacksonvillecomNews+%28Jackso nville+Local+News+%E2%80%93+Jacksonville.com+and+T he+Florida+Times-Union%29)

2009
June: Estimated Date. Jarred Harrell is asked to move out of his parents' house. They want him to be on his own, be a man, and take care of himself. They call Rod Buchanan's stepdaughter and ask if he can move in with them and be a roommate; they say sure. Jarred moves in with Buchanan's stepdaughter and her fiancé. (Explanation is that Buchanan states, in response to how long did JH live with your stepdaughter, and says a couple of months, so JustyThoughts estimated at June 2009). Source (http://www.news4jax.com/video/22548251/index.html) Later that year, Harrell moved in with Buchanan's stepdaughter and her fiancé at an apartment a few miles away. Source (http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20100212/US.Girl.in.Landfill/)

August 4: Roommates kick Jarred Harrell out for stealing, specifically their iPod. Source (http://www.michellesigona.com/2010/02/person-of-interest-named-in-somer-thompson-murder/) According to Rod Buchanan, he asks if they can keep his computer until he finds somewhere to go. Source (http://www.news4jax.com/video/22548251/index.html) (Note: Any idea where he went? Back to mom? Sister's? Thoughts, anyone?)

August 10: They do not hear from him, and the discussion comes up about there having been child porn found on his computer about a year ago by Rod Buchanan's stepson (a minor at the time). They get on the computer and find porn on computer. Source (http://www.michellesigona.com/2010/02/person-of-interest-named-in-somer-thompson-murder/) Roommates bring computer to Jacksonville Sheriffs Office, who determined it was out of their jurisdiction. Source (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/money/onyourside/amarosarmy/news-article.aspx?storyid=151953&catid=3) JSO turns it over to CCSO, and Fred Eckert takes over. Source (http://www.news4jax.com/video/22548251/) Rod Buchanan: And we took it to JSO (Jacksonville Sheriffs Office) thinking that was where we needed to take it. Once we handed everything over to JSO, they then sent it back to Clay County to be processed, and Detective Eckert took over from there.

August 13: Computer then turned over to CCSO by JSO. Source (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/money/onyourside/amarosarmy/news-article.aspx?storyid=151953&catid=3)

September 25: Computer turned over to SAG Cyber Crimes Unit. They were not able to begin taking it apart to do forensic testing on it until October 9. Source (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/money/onyourside/amarosarmy/news-article.aspx?storyid=151953&catid=3)

October 5: Estimated Date Jarred Harrell's mom (AD) and stepdad (GLD II) move out of their house on Gano, to Callahan, FL. Source (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35370962/ns/local_news-jacksonville_fl/) (link broken) Buchanan said he was shocked to learn that Harrell's parents had moved out two weeks before Somer Thompson was reported missing, but Harrell still lived at the home. Source (http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=harrell+and+two+weeks+before+somer+th ompson+went+missing+and+msn&d=4634398633101739&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=6957a4db,ddb2ae9e)It is believed they took the dog and the shed with them. No Source Yet.

October 9: SAG Cyber Crimes Unit begins forensic testing on Jarred Harrell's computer. Source (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/money/onyourside/amarosarmy/news-article.aspx?storyid=151953&catid=3)

October 19: Somer Thompson disappears. Source (http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/amber-alert-search-somer-thompson-missing-florida-girl/story?id=8874269)

October 21: Somer Thompson's body found in GA. Source (http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=116008&catid=8)

October 23: Rod Buchanan and his wife drive by Gano house and see Jarred Harrel's vehicle in the drivway. They stop a CCSO deputy, explain their concerns and he brings them to the lead detective, who has the deputy go back and run the tags; it is Jarred Harrel's vehicle, and he has been living there. Source (http://www.news4jax.com/video/22548251/index.html)

November 12: Analysis completed November 10; SAG returns computer to CCSO with report. Source (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/money/onyourside/amarosarmy/news-article.aspx?storyid=151953&catid=3)

Unknown Date: Jarred Harrell is asked to provide DNA. He is uncooperative, and in January, FBI visits his father Howard Harrell, in Mississippi. Source (http://jacksonville.com/community/clay/2010-02-18/story/man_of_interest_in_somer_thompson_slaying_had_biza rre_upbringing)

December 1: Estimated date. Jarred moves out house at 1152. Source (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=152561) (~page 5 of comments) sheeshisamoron wrote: noexistanz, Harell moved into the house on gano ave in august and he moved out december 1 of 09. I saw the fat f*** move out that day because it was the same day i moved out of the neighborhood. I can only assume he moved to mississippi at that time. (Note: I believe at this point, he moved to Callahan with his mom, stepfather, and stepbrothers. No source.)

2010
January 6: Estimated date. FBI asks Howard Harrell for DNA. LUCEDALE, Miss. — Loretta Harrell answered a knock at her ranch-style home in the deep Mississippi woods six weeks ago to find two strangers standing outside.The men told Harrell they were FBI agents and asked to speak to her husband about his son, Jarred. Startled, Jarred’s stepmother shut and locked the door and called for her husband, a local prison guard. ... The FBI agents told [Howard] Harrell that Jarred wasn’t cooperating with a criminal investigation in Florida, where he’d spent time with his birth mother and her newest husband. They said Jarred fit a profile, but didn’t say of what, and asked his father for a DNA sample. (I believe article was posted on 2/17; that is date comments began.) Source (http://jacksonville.com/community/clay/2010-02-18/story/man_of_interest_in_somer_thompson_slaying_had_biza rre_upbringing)

January 22: Estimated date. Jarred Harrell moves to Meridian, Mississippi. "His family said Harrell just moved back to Mississippi a few weeks ago." Source (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=151955) Harrell was arrested Thursday in Meridian, Miss., where he moved about three weeks ago [date of article February 12], and charged with 29 counts of possession of child pornography. He was being held in Mississippi on $1 million bond and Lauderdale County Sheriff Billy Sollie said he did not yet have an attorney. Source (http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20100212/US.Girl.in.Landfill/)

February 11: Jarred Harrell arrested in Meridian, MS, on child pornography charges. Source (http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/jarred-harrell-24-arrested-somer-thomspon-case/story?id=9812666)

February 11: Homes on Gano Avenue, Orange Park, FL, in Callahan, FL, and in Meridian, MS, were searched along with a vehicle in Meridian, MS. Source (http://wokv.com/localnews/2010/02/home-near-somer-thompson-disap.html)

February 11: Investigators find SD card with child pornographical images during their search of his mother's home in Callahan, where he also stayed. The most recent batch of photos and the video were discovered two weeks [Februry 11] ago by investigators during their investigation into the molestation and pornography case, according to the warrant, obtained by First Coast News, the Times-Union's news partner. The images were on a digital camera’s disc found in a Callahan home where Harrell also stayed. Source (http://jacksonville.com/community/clay/2010-02-26/story/warrant_jarred_harrell_photosvideo_in_latest_arres t_originated_from_?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JacksonvillecomNews+%28Jackso nville+Local+News+%E2%80%93+Jacksonville.com+and+T he+Florida+Times-Union%29)

February 18: Florida Governor Charlie Crist asks Mississippi Governor to extradite Jarred Harrell. Source (http://www.news4jax.com/news/22604509/detail.html)

February 20: Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour agrees to extradite Jarred Harrell. Source (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2010-02-19/story/mississippi_authorities_ready_to_extradite_jarred_ harrell_to_face_)

February 23: Jarred Harrell extradited from Mississippi to Florida. Source (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=152383&catid=3) His arrest date on the Clay County inmate info page is shown as February 23. Source (http://p2c.claysheriff.com/InmateDetail.aspx?navid=634028664542971995)

February 24: Jarred Harrell arrives in Clay County. Harrell left the jail in Meridian, Miss., in a police caravan of one truck and two cars around 10 a.m. Tuesday, arriving at the Clay County Jail at 1:20 a.m. Wednesday. Three cars drove quickly into the jail. Source (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=152383&catid=3)

February 24: Jarred Harrell appears before judge. Arraignment set for March 10. Bond $1 million. Source (http://www.news4jax.com/news/22652834/detail.html)

February 24: Jarred Harrell new charges added: Lews and Lascivious Molestation and Direct/Promote Sexual Performance by a Child plus original charge of Possess Photograph of Sexual Performance by a Child (http://p2c.claysheriff.com/jailinmates.aspx) (CCSO Inmate inquiry indicates Total Bond as $1,600,003.00) Media reports indicate that Harrell is being held without bond (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=152455&catid=3).

February 24: New warrant issued. Warrant (http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/022610_harrell1.pdf) Total bond amount says Total Bond Amount: $1,600,039.00 although he is being held without bond on one of the charges. Source (http://p2c.claysheriff.com/InmateDetail.aspx?navid=634028664542971995) (Note: If link times out, go to http://p2c.claysheriff.com/jailinmates.aspx and type in his name.)

March 9: Additional charges are brought against Jarred Harrell. LE believes that on or between May 2008 and November 2008, Jarred Harrell is guilty of committing the offense Lewd & Lascivious Molestation, Use of a Child in a Sexual Performance, and Promoting a Sexual Performance. Source (http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/030910_Harrell.pdf)

March 10: Jarred Harrell's next court date. Name: HARRELL, JARRED MITCHELL Date of Birth: 7/24/1985 Age: 24 Race / Sex: W/M Arrest Date: 2/23/2010 Release Date: Left Blank Next Court Date: 3/10/2010 Source (http://p2c.claysheriff.com/InmateDetail.aspx?navid=634028664542971995)

March 10: Jarred Harrell pleaded not guilty in Clay County court to 55 counts of child pornography, including two counts of molesting a young girl. Source (http://jacksonville.com/community/clay/2010-03-10/story/jarred_harrell_pleads_not_guilty_to_child_porn_mol estation_charges_b)

April 8: Jarred Harrel's next court date. Source (http://jacksonville.com/community/clay/2010-03-10/story/jarred_harrell_pleads_not_guilty_to_child_porn_mol estation_charges_b)

Noway
03-16-2010, 03:41 PM
Just hoping to jump-start a media frenzy by posting this.

Kimberlyd125
03-16-2010, 09:07 PM
Bumping for our girl!

Noway
03-16-2010, 10:14 PM
I see what an effort it must be for the families of missing/murdered loved ones -- trying to keep their story in the public eye when there are not updates in the case.

Hoping there is something new as March 19 approaches.

Kimberlyd125
03-16-2010, 11:24 PM
I know, it's hard to wait. Must be torture for the families.

Kimberlyd125
03-17-2010, 08:11 AM
Good morning all!

Hope to hear something soon.

Still praying for justice for Somer.

Noway
03-17-2010, 12:42 PM
I understand why Jarred is a POI (into child porn and on Somer's route, known to watch the kids as they walked home) but I have to think if it was him he got Somer out of the neighborhood before 5 p.m.

Because after Diena flagged down the CCSO Andy Coan, thinks started moving pretty fast and other law enforcement was called in to help search for her. I think they were stopping cars that came into/left the area too, weren't they?

Kimberlyd125
03-17-2010, 02:11 PM
I understand why Jarred is a POI (into child porn and on Somer's route, known to watch the kids as they walked home) but I have to think if it was him he got Somer out of the neighborhood before 5 p.m.

Because after Diena flagged down the CCSO Andy Coan, thinks started moving pretty fast and other law enforcement was called in to help search for her. I think they were stopping cars that came into/left the area too, weren't they?

I think it's quite possible he took her off the street. I'm sure she knew his face. From when she would go by and he was out washing his car or when she would stop to pet the dog.

I can see a 7 year old getting into a car with someone she thought was a good neighbor or at least not a stranger.
Maybe he fed her an old line of please help me find my dog, or I'll bring you home so you don't have to walk.
At 7 and being familiar with his face, I can see maybe her getting into his car.

I originally thought she went into his yard, and I guess she could have.
But, I can see him getting her into the car and out of the neighborhood pretty quickly.

JMO

Chili Fries
03-17-2010, 02:23 PM
I think it's quite possible he took her off the street. I'm sure she knew his face. From when she would go by and he was out washing his car or when she would stop to pet the dog.

I can see a 7 year old getting into a car with someone she thought was a good neighbor or at least not a stranger.
Maybe he fed her an old line of please help me find my dog, or I'll bring you home so you don't have to walk.
At 7 and being familiar with his face, I can see maybe her getting into his car.

I originally thought she went into his yard, and I guess she could have.
But, I can see him getting her into the car and out of the neighborhood pretty quickly.

JMO

My guess is that he would have wanted to get her in the house. With his penchant for pictures I think he would have wanted to take some and an empty house seems to me like the safest place for him to do whatever evil thing he had in mind. An hour could have been long enough for him. If he killed her by accident or to keep her from yelling he may have wanted to get rid of the body right away. The whole thing could have happened relatively quickly, if he was the perp.

Kimberlyd125
03-17-2010, 03:47 PM
My guess is that he would have wanted to get her in the house. With his penchant for pictures I think he would have wanted to take some and an empty house seems to me like the safest place for him to do whatever evil thing he had in mind. An hour could have been long enough for him. If he killed her by accident or to keep her from yelling he may have wanted to get rid of the body right away. The whole thing could have happened relatively quickly, if he was the perp.

I agree.
That's kinda what I thought too.

Just thinking about where the dogs stopped and the short time frame, a car could have been used. Although, I'm not so sure the dogs stopping at the corner of Gano and Debarry really means much since the trainer said they could have been tracking Somer's scent from up to a week prior.

redfish
03-17-2010, 04:40 PM
Bump, bump... I keep losing the thread!

Noway
03-17-2010, 05:55 PM
The other thing about the dog is that it was ONE of however many that were there. We don't know whether the other dogs followed the scent further or elsewhere.

Did Jarred no longer have contact with the child he allegedly posed in the video? Why did he need to take a child off the street?

Kimberlyd125
03-17-2010, 06:56 PM
The other thing about the dog is that it was ONE of however many that were there. We don't know whether the other dogs followed the scent further or elsewhere.

Did Jarred no longer have contact with the child he allegedly posed in the video? Why did he need to take a child off the street?

BBM, I think that was found out about before Oct. 19th.
The reason I think this is because of the police report about JH that the ex room mates said they were looking at JH's computer to see if he had
anything on there showing his **********.

KWIM

Cheewawa007
03-17-2010, 08:18 PM
Bump.......bump bump........... I think the crossing guard might not have noticed Somer - possibly he was thinking of something or watching something as she walked by. Maybe he didn't get his hug because Somer didn't feel like giving a hug that day. So it is very possible she did pass this crossing guard.

Kimberlyd125
03-17-2010, 10:12 PM
Bump.......bump bump........... I think the crossing guard might not have noticed Somer - possibly he was thinking of something or watching something as she walked by. Maybe he didn't get his hug because Somer didn't feel like giving a hug that day. So it is very possible she did pass this crossing guard.

I agree. There is no way a cross guard can see and take a mental note of every kid who comes through. He/She would have to have a pretty good memory to do that IMO. Or keep some kind of roll. I've never seen a cross guard take a roll.

He may not remember her coming through, but I agree that she may have.

JMO

dar107
03-18-2010, 10:25 AM
The other thing about the dog is that it was ONE of however many that were there. We don't know whether the other dogs followed the scent further or elsewhere.

Did Jarred no longer have contact with the child he allegedly posed in the video? Why did he need to take a child off the street?

I wonder if his mom suspected or knew what was gonna on with the child he molested, and thats why she wanted him out of the house.



Somer sweety, we are all still thinking of you and praying for justice. You will never be forgotten little sunshine.

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 10:35 AM
I think JH's Mom knew about it too. I've also thought that could be the reason for the sudden move and renting when you own a home.
They may have thought it was best to get the heck out of there.
Why JH would stay behind, I have no idea. Maybe he refused to go with them at first, then after Somer, he decided, yep, I need to go.

tlcya
03-18-2010, 11:46 AM
My guess is that he would have wanted to get her in the house. With his penchant for pictures I think he would have wanted to take some and an empty house seems to me like the safest place for him to do whatever evil thing he had in mind. An hour could have been long enough for him. If he killed her by accident or to keep her from yelling he may have wanted to get rid of the body right away. The whole thing could have happened relatively quickly, if he was the perp.

I think you are right on the money. If he is the perp, the scenerio you describe is exactly the one that I envision as well. I think that poor child never left that block alive. Period. I think the empty house made the perfect location. She could easily be lured by a familiar, neighborhood face, particulary if he claimed his dog had gotten away and run over onto that property. I think she would not have known him to the point of feeling comfortable getting into a car with him but would certainly have seen no danger or risk in helping him look around the empty house property for a dog she had petted in the past and was familiar with.

Once around the back of the property it would have been a simple matter to subdue her and drag her into the place for his "entertainment". She was killed either in an attempt to silence her, or after the assualt when he realized she would know right where to lead LE should he let her go alive. I would not have expected there to have been anything for neighbors to see or hear at that point. Unfortunately it is not dificult for a grown man to subdue/silence a small child.

Noway
03-18-2010, 02:04 PM
I wonder if after finding Somer's body, LE went through the area with cadaver dogs. I don't remember seeing anything about that. Of course, on Thursday and Friday, all eyes were on the 1080 house.

Noway
03-18-2010, 03:12 PM
A man who lives near Somer on Chestnut Court was arrested on child porn charges.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2010-03-18/story/fbi_arrests_orange_park_man_accused_of_having_chil d_porn_on_comput

LE again saying charges are not related to Somer.

Parcel Maps (http://qpublic5.qpublic.net/cgi-bin/clay_maps.cgi?map=/qpub1/maps/clay/parcel.map&mode=map&layers=copyright+counties+cities+camp+munis+forest +parcels+roads+parcel_sales+parcels2+subs+dims&layer=selected_parcel&parcel=05-04-26-020177-183-00&mapsize=1000%20690&mapext=426410.115942029%202124740%20427673.8840579 71%202125612)

Google Map of Somer's house and Chestnut Court house (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=1706+horton,+orange+park,+fl&daddr=226+Chestnut+Ct,+Orange+Park,+FL+32073&sll=30.1774,-81.72514&sspn=0.006919,0.011587&gl=us&g=226+Chestnut+Ct,+Orange+Park,+FL+32073&ie=UTF8&ll=30.176815,-81.72364&spn=0.006919,0.011587&t=h&z=16)

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 03:39 PM
See, this makes me even more sure that they have something on JH that is connected to Somer.

JH was named a POI. This guy has not been.

ETA: And this guy is already out on bail.

Dee10
03-18-2010, 03:43 PM
I noticed this guy got out on bail.

eyes4crime
03-18-2010, 03:47 PM
I noticed this guy got out on bail.

JH has a molestation charge from his 'hands on' production of chid porn. That may be the difference. moo

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 03:53 PM
Yeah, from reading the article, this guy had no where near what JH had.

Noway
03-18-2010, 03:56 PM
I noticed this guy got out on bail.

We definitely live in an imperfect world. JMO

Noway
03-18-2010, 04:06 PM
They have his name wrong in this paragraph so I changed it to a W. Actually, I'm not 100 percent which W name is right. I found info on a different last name ...

http://www.news4jax.com/news/22877454/detail.html

W's attorney, Mark Barnett, said the only reason there was pornography on his clients computer was that he heard pornography might be involved in Somer's disappearance, so he downloaded some child porn, then immediately deleted them. See OOPS! below

"First, they came to him and asked if he knew anything and asked for help," Barnett said.

"Then they met back with him again and was looking on the Internet for stuff and he told them, 'I was looking for stuff,' and police said, 'Maybe there is something on your computer that could help us. Will you turn it over to us?' He said yes."

Barnett told Channel 4's Jim Piggott that W. was actually helping authorities search for Somer.

The indictment shows that the child pornography found on W's computer was downloaded in September, a couple of weeks before Somer disappeared. OOPS!

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 04:11 PM
:waitasec:

He was helping police on the Somer case????
Then, LE arrested him? :snooty: I call BS

Noway
03-18-2010, 04:15 PM
Unfortunately, he was downloading child porn in an effort to find a missing girl that didn't go missing until a month later.

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 04:19 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/22877454/detail.html

updated

snipped:

Clay County deputies said they came across pornographic images on Charlie Watkins' computer during the door-to-door search for Somer, but he is not facing any charges in connection with the girl's disappearance or slaying.

Although investigators said Watkins regularly invited children into his house to use his computer, there are no allegations of any inappropriate behavior with those children. They said Watkins was cooperative during the investigation and they do not believe he was involved in Somer's death.

:eek: Barnett said that Walker knew Somer and it is likely she was in his home at some point because, "the grand kids and all of their friends would come over."

Pixie70
03-18-2010, 04:20 PM
A man who lives near Somer on Chestnut Court was arrested on child porn charges.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2010-03-18/story/fbi_arrests_orange_park_man_accused_of_having_chil d_porn_on_comput

LE again saying charges are not related to Somer.

Parcel Maps (http://qpublic5.qpublic.net/cgi-bin/clay_maps.cgi?map=/qpub1/maps/clay/parcel.map&mode=map&layers=copyright+counties+cities+camp+munis+forest +parcels+roads+parcel_sales+parcels2+subs+dims&layer=selected_parcel&parcel=05-04-26-020177-183-00&mapsize=1000%20690&mapext=426410.115942029%202124740%20427673.8840579 71%202125612)

Google Map of Somer's house and Chestnut Court house (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=1706+horton,+orange+park,+fl&daddr=226+Chestnut+Ct,+Orange+Park,+FL+32073&sll=30.1774,-81.72514&sspn=0.006919,0.011587&gl=us&g=226+Chestnut+Ct,+Orange+Park,+FL+32073&ie=UTF8&ll=30.176815,-81.72364&spn=0.006919,0.011587&t=h&z=16)

Huh. Well it's probably nothing but one thing I notice is that the car out front of 226 Chestnut is very similar to the car on the google map at 266 Debarry, which if you follow it south is the map that may show Somer walking home (near 1238 Debarry), so that car likely drove past her (on the google map, date unknown of course). Probably a coincidence, just caught my eye.

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 04:22 PM
OMG - his bail was only $20,000!

Noway
03-18-2010, 04:23 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/22877454/detail.html

updated

snipped:

Clay County deputies said they came across pornographic images on Charlie Watkins' computer during the door-to-door search for Somer, but he is not facing any charges in connection with the girl's disappearance or slaying.

Although investigators said Watkins regularly invited children into his house to use his computer, there are no allegations of any inappropriate behavior with those children. They said Watkins was cooperative during the investigation and they do not believe he was involved in Somer's death.

:eek: Barnett said that Walker knew Somer and it is likely she was in his home at some point because, "the grand kids and all of their friends would come over."

my red
They still have two last names in article bot the W you posted (in red) is the right one.

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 04:25 PM
Oh yeah, I just noticed it in the updated article.
Just the part I snipped has both names.

I just can't believe they say he knew Somer and she had most likely been in his home before. WOW

Noway
03-18-2010, 04:28 PM
In the street view, I noticed the garbage cans (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=1706+horton,+orange+park,+fl&daddr=226+Chestnut+Ct,+Orange+Park,+FL+32073&sll=30.1774,-81.72514&sspn=0.006919,0.011587&gl=us&g=226+Chestnut+Ct,+Orange+Park,+FL+32073&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=30.177219,-81.72479&spn=0,359.997103&z=18&layer=c&cbll=30.17735,-81.724793&panoid=RfwKtVmv9V-5JXDYK2gvHg&cbp=12,272.88,,0,5) that seem to be the "lift with an arm" kind.

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 04:37 PM
In the street view, I noticed the garbage cans (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=1706+horton,+orange+park,+fl&daddr=226+Chestnut+Ct,+Orange+Park,+FL+32073&sll=30.1774,-81.72514&sspn=0.006919,0.011587&gl=us&g=226+Chestnut+Ct,+Orange+Park,+FL+32073&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=30.177219,-81.72479&spn=0,359.997103&z=18&layer=c&cbll=30.17735,-81.724793&panoid=RfwKtVmv9V-5JXDYK2gvHg&cbp=12,272.88,,0,5) that seem to be the "lift with an arm" kind.

yes, but when you make the little man walk down the street, not everybody's are like that.
May be like mine. We do not have the service that has a truck that picks up our cans, but we have the large cans that have the thing for that. We bought those because they are larger and roll easy.

Dr.Fessel
03-18-2010, 04:38 PM
Anyone have an address on this guy?

Noway
03-18-2010, 04:39 PM
Are garbage men really able to lift those? I mean if they are filled. If it weren't for the wheels, I'd never get mine to the curb.

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 04:41 PM
Are garbage men really able to lift those? I mean if they are filled. If it weren't for the wheels, I'd never get mine to the curb.

Yep, they lift mine.

Noway
03-18-2010, 04:42 PM
Anyone have an address on this guy?


I don't know whether we can post it (http://www.qpublic.net/cgi-bin/clay_display.cgi?KEY=05-04-26-020177-183-00) ... he's "innocent" as far as Somer's abduction and murder go.

As of now.

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 04:48 PM
Not that I'm minimizing this guys child porn charges, but if he only has 2 charges, that means they found 2 pictures?

ETA: before you jump on me, lol, again that's still horrible. But, compared to JH, nothing.

Noway
03-18-2010, 04:51 PM
He is less than 1/4 mile away. About 10 houses or so.

Dr.Fessel
03-18-2010, 04:52 PM
I find it interesting they were looking at peoples computers right off the bat.

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 04:52 PM
Ok y'all. I'm just thinking outloud here...
this man lives very close to the Thompson house, the man has said he knew Somer, Somer has most likely been in his home, he is found to have child porn on his computer........and he is charged on 2 picutres and released on bond.

If they do not name a man who admits Somer has been in his home and has child porn charges a POI but they name JH a POI, IMO they have to have something on him.

JMO

eyes4crime
03-18-2010, 04:52 PM
I don't know whether we can post it (http://www.qpublic.net/cgi-bin/clay_display.cgi?KEY=05-04-26-020177-183-00) ... he's "innocent" as far as Somer's abduction and murder go.

As of now.

So is JH - he has no connection to Somer's murder, not yet.

Dr.Fessel
03-18-2010, 04:52 PM
He is less than 1/4 mile away. About 10 houses or so.


Past Somers house on her way home or did she have to pass his house?

Noway
03-18-2010, 04:53 PM
Maybe there was possible access to Somer that way.

Dr.Fessel
03-18-2010, 04:54 PM
So is JH - he has no connection to Somer's murder, not yet.


Yes, he has been named a POI.

Noway
03-18-2010, 04:55 PM
So is JH - he has no connection to Somer's murder, not yet.

But JH has been named a POI and that makes it A-OK with WS if we post his full name, address, etc.. :crazy:

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 04:55 PM
Past Somers house on her way home or did she have to pass his house?

Somer would have had to pass her house and continue down Horton, then turn on his street.

Pixie70
03-18-2010, 04:55 PM
Not that I'm minimizing this guys child porn charges, but if he only has 2 charges, that means they found 2 pictures?

ETA: before you jump on me, lol, again that's still horrible. But, compared to JH, nothing.

Yes from this article it says he d'loaded two images. His attorney says it was to help in the search for Somer, but it was pointed out the images were d'loaded in September, before she was abducted.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/22877454/detail.html

Was his computer taken in the RSO sweep or in just a door-to-door look after she disappeared?

Noway
03-18-2010, 04:56 PM
Past Somers house on her way home or did she have to pass his house?

Map showing JH house, Thompson house and Grandpa CW's house (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1152+Gano+Ave,+Orange+Park,+FL+32073&daddr=1706+horton+drive,+orange+park,+fl+to:226+ch estnut,+orange+park,+fl&hl=en&geocode=FbhezAEdNBQh-ykB3eXT3sXliDFYdrU8Qd2VLw%3BFfBzzAEdmAMh-ynXsX-Od8bliDHh1RBTwYj8jQ%3BFXh4zAEdLPkg-ylp08w0eMbliDGUW07xQJYqrg&gl=us&mra=ls&sll=30.175869,-81.721694&sspn=0.006919,0.011587&ie=UTF8&ll=30.175628,-81.721952&spn=0.006919,0.011587&t=h&z=16)

She would have been home and out the door again to have to pass by his house.

Dr.Fessel
03-18-2010, 04:56 PM
Noway, what is DT's addy?

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 04:56 PM
But JH has been named a POI and that makes it A-OK with WS if we post his full name, address, etc.. :crazy:

I thought this was about the address???

Anyway, did I mess up by snipping the article with his name in it?

Noway
03-18-2010, 05:00 PM
I didn't post the house number for the alleged child porn guy known as Grandpa. Because other allegedly innocent people live there too.

There is more freedom with JH's info because (I think) he has been named a POI.

eyes4crime
03-18-2010, 05:03 PM
I didn't post the house number for the alleged child porn guy known as Grandpa. Because other allegedly innocent people live there too.

There is more freedom with JH's info because (I think) he has been named a POI.

'Child porn guy grandpa' has has address in the paper doesn't he?

Noway
03-18-2010, 05:04 PM
Noway, what is DT's addy?

I posted it while you were asking for it.

Map of the addresses being discussed. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1152+Gano+Ave,+Orange+Park,+FL+32073&daddr=1706+horton+drive,+orange+park,+fl+to:226+ch estnut,+orange+park,+fl&hl=en&geocode=FbhezAEdNBQh-ykB3eXT3sXliDFYdrU8Qd2VLw%3BFfBzzAEdmAMh-ynXsX-Od8bliDHh1RBTwYj8jQ%3BFXh4zAEdLPkg-ylp08w0eMbliDGUW07xQJYqrg&gl=us&mra=ls&sll=30.175869,-81.721694&sspn=0.006919,0.011587&ie=UTF8&ll=30.175628,-81.721952&spn=0.006919,0.011587&t=h&z=16)

Noway
03-18-2010, 05:31 PM
Eyes, I don't think it was. I got it by searching Parcels by his first/last name.

I play it safe rather than sorry.

Maybe a Mod will step in and explain what's okay and what is not. (again) LOL

eyes4crime
03-18-2010, 05:33 PM
I can't find anyone in that house with a single criminal charge against him/her.

We best leave them alone for now - we don't want to go to vacationsville do we? lol

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 06:06 PM
I find it interesting they were looking at peoples computers right off the bat.

I find that very interesting too Doc.
I wouldn't think they would be checking every computer during a door to door search looking for Somer.
I'm sure most houses have computers.

Can you imagine how much time that would take to check every computer door to door while looking for a missing child.
I would think they would be more concerned with finding the child than what's on computers.

This has me doing this...:waitasec:

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 06:07 PM
And, not to mention, that would mean they found it between Oct. 19th-21st right?
I guess it took a while to process his too. 5 months.

Sunshine77
03-18-2010, 06:17 PM
They arrested this guy on two counts and he was charged federally. But JH faces 50 something counts of child porn and molestation, and he's only charged at the state level. They must be hanging on to him for a reason, JMO.

Noway
03-18-2010, 06:22 PM
Maybe Diena had some "odd" messages via her FB/MS.

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 06:24 PM
I thought child porn was always a federal offense

angelswatchoverthem
03-18-2010, 08:13 PM
My guess is this Watkins guy got out on bail because he didn't have any production of child porn charges! The only reason i can think of anyway. This is why J.H's case is more serious. The other guy was just looking??? To me i don't care if someone browses this stuff twice or a hundred times, its still the same really, that they look at it at all. If this man had kids in his home????? A bit strange to me. He was then obviously familiar with Somer, and she with him! Wonder if D.T. knew that Somer spent time there?
And as far as i'm concerned J.H. is still a POI in this case, and like we have seen, POI doesn't really have anything to make me think he was positively involved in Somer's death. L.E. need to charge him absolutely in involvement with Somer before i'm convinced he did it! Guess time will tell.

angelswatchoverthem
03-18-2010, 08:19 PM
I don't buy the fact this Watkins guy was looking at child porn on his computer to look into anything to do with Somer's case. That just doesn't make sense. He had something else in mind i think! Also why this before Somer's death??? Doesn't add up! Did L.E. really buy that?

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 09:21 PM
My guess is this Watkins guy got out on bail because he didn't have any production of child porn charges! The only reason i can think of anyway. This is why J.H's case is more serious. The other guy was just looking??? To me i don't care if someone browses this stuff twice or a hundred times, its still the same really, that they look at it at all. If this man had kids in his home????? A bit strange to me. He was then obviously familiar with Somer, and she with him! Wonder if D.T. knew that Somer spent time there?And as far as i'm concerned J.H. is still a POI in this case, and like we have seen, POI doesn't really have anything to make me think he was positively involved in Somer's death. L.E. need to charge him absolutely in involvement with Somer before i'm convinced he did it! Guess time will tell.

BBM

I don't think we know for sure she spent time there. He said he knew Somer and she most likely had been in his home (paraphrasing) because a lot of his grandchidren's friends would come over.
I don't think he said she for sure had been to his home.

dar107
03-18-2010, 11:51 PM
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Attorney-Watkins-was-trying-to-help-Somers/kHIDBuafEkWq_2HusIwjEQ.cspx

Marcus Barnett, Watkins' attorney, did talk to Cosby.

"He's mortified. He's distraught. He doesn't understand how this happened," said Barnett.

Barnett admitted his client knew Somer Thompson. They were neighbors. Barnett said Somer was friends with Watkins' grandkids and played at his house.

Barnett said Watkins was trying to help investigators find Somer.

"He asked how he could help and they said well she may be involved in some child pornography issues, so he went online looking for her. And he would look at images, from what I understand according to the indictment, no its not Somer- click delete, click delete," said Barnett. "He was legitimately trying to help and its in the 'no good deed goes unpunished school.'"


The articles so far are confusing with the time line. I am not sure whether to think there is something wrong here with this man or he did something incredibly stupid while trying to help. If it was September that they found a download then his story makes zero sense of course. Maybe his computer was searched right away because DT was asked about any men in the neighborhood that Somer was familiar with, and he popped out in her mind.

dar107
03-18-2010, 11:56 PM
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Attorney-Watkins-was-trying-to-help-Somers/kHIDBuafEkWq_2HusIwjEQ.cspx?p=Comments

The reporter refers to Somer as the girl who was kidnapped and raped at about the 15 sec mark in this video. Where are these tidbits coming from??? This now and the carpet before)

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 11:57 PM
Yeah, I see that article has him stating matter of factly that Somer spent time at his home.
The article from earlier today, he said she may have.

Creepy.

I was almost willing to believe him because he only had 2 pictures.

But, as you say Dar, the timeline stinks to high Heaven. You can't look for a child in September that goes missing in October.
Surely his attorney that keeps telling this story should realize that.

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 11:58 PM
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Attorney-Watkins-was-trying-to-help-Somers/kHIDBuafEkWq_2HusIwjEQ.cspx?p=Comments

The reporter refers to Somer as the girl who kidnapped and raped at about the 15 sec mark in this video. Where are these tidbits coming from??? This now and the carpet before)

:eek:
IDK
Something is up.
These tidbits have to be coming from somewhere. IMO

Kimberlyd125
03-18-2010, 11:58 PM
Was the carpet story from News4jax.com too?
I can't remember.

dar107
03-19-2010, 12:09 AM
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=36990@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

eyes4crime
03-19-2010, 01:22 AM
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Attorney-Watkins-was-trying-to-help-Somers/kHIDBuafEkWq_2HusIwjEQ.cspx?p=Comments

The reporter refers to Somer as the girl who kidnapped and raped at about the 15 sec mark in this video. Where are these tidbits coming from??? This now and the carpet before)

Maybe they are jumping to what some would say - logical conclusions? If so, that is terrible reporting. We have spent some 40 threads discussing if Somer was raped or not - and we still don't have an answer. moo

twall
03-19-2010, 02:10 AM
The report at action news stated that count 1 is for downloading/receipt of a video in Sept. 09 and count 2 is for 3 images obtained in Oct.

Authorities state they found the porn on W's computer from investigating Somer's case.
I wonder what led to him? Did he have the same images/video that JH did?

The judge gave him some pretty strict bond restrictions.