View Full Version : NY - Melissa Englehardt, S.Mom charged w/posioning toddler, 10 Nov 2009, Elmira
Angel4u2Whisper2
03-12-2010, 05:34 PM
:furious:
http://www.wivb.com/dpp/mobile/woman-charged-with-poisoning-stepson
Melissa Englehardt
Woman charged with poisoning stepson
Toddler died of methanol poisoning
Updated: Friday, 12 Mar 2010, 2:50 PM EST
Published : Friday, 12 Mar 2010, 11:57 AM EST
BATAVIA, NY - An Elmira woman is being held on charges of poisoning her 21-month old stepson.
Melissa Englehardt, 24, was arrested and charged with first degree manslaughter after an investigation by Elmira and Batavia police departments.
The toddler, Andrew, lived with his mother, Kristen Cianfrini, in Batavia. He died November 10 at his father’s home in Elmira. The Monroe County medical examiners office reported the cause of death as methanol poisoning. Methanol is found in anti-freeze, windshield washer fluid and dry gas.
mikeysmommom
03-12-2010, 07:01 PM
update
http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/crime/Stepmom-accused-of-poisoning-1-year-old#IDComment61762123
The POS put it in his bottle, and she is pregnant with twins!!!!!
Why manslaughter it should be 1st degree premeditated murder.What a horrible death for that poor baby.They should make her drink a gallon of antifreeze and then just leave her in a cell.What a POS!!!If she could not handle having a stepson she should not have been with his father.What is going on it is unreal how many baby are being murdered each day!
GannyP
03-12-2010, 07:46 PM
update
http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/crime/Stepmom-accused-of-poisoning-1-year-old#IDComment61762123
The POS put it in his bottle, and she is pregnant with twins!!!!!
Why manslaughter it should be 1st degree premeditated murder.What a horrible death for that poor baby.They should make her drink a gallon of antifreeze and then just leave her in a cell.What a POS!!!If she could not handle having a stepson she should not have been with his father.What is going on it is unreal how many baby are being murdered each day!
I hope you want to wait until after she gives birth, it's not those little babies' fault what their mother does.:innocent:
kbl8201
03-12-2010, 08:18 PM
:furious:
http://www.wivb.com/dpp/mobile/woman-charged-with-poisoning-stepson
Melissa Englehardt
Woman charged with poisoning stepson
Toddler died of methanol poisoning
Updated: Friday, 12 Mar 2010, 2:50 PM EST
Published : Friday, 12 Mar 2010, 11:57 AM EST
BATAVIA, NY - An Elmira woman is being held on charges of poisoning her 21-month old stepson.
Melissa Englehardt, 24, was arrested and charged with first degree manslaughter after an investigation by Elmira and Batavia police departments.
The toddler, Andrew, lived with his mother, Kristen Cianfrini, in Batavia. He died November 10 at his father’s home in Elmira. The Monroe County medical examiners office reported the cause of death as methanol poisoning. Methanol is found in anti-freeze, windshield washer fluid and dry gas.
:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous::furious::furious::furious:
10 this time for the absurd manslaughter charge........
Angel4u2Whisper2
03-12-2010, 08:49 PM
How sad does the world get?
cluciano63
03-12-2010, 08:52 PM
OK how is this manslaughter? What do you have to do to be charged with murder?
kbl8201
03-12-2010, 08:58 PM
first degree murder is pre meditated with malice of forethought.........i would think this crime would define that
mikeysmommom
03-12-2010, 10:48 PM
I hope you want to wait until after she gives birth, it's not those little babies' fault what their mother does.:innocent:
Of course after she has her babies why should they suffer because they will be born to a heartless cruel murdering POS.But as soon as they are delivered she should not even get to hold them. She should be given a nice tall glass of juice with the same thing she put in that poor babys bottle.
Texas Mist
03-12-2010, 11:16 PM
Just after 8 a.m. on Thursday, Engelhardt signed into her MySpace account and described her mood as "betrayed."
The Internet page provided a further glimpse into Engelhardt's life. She gave birth to her own biological daughter, Mariannah, last March and mentions in an online survey that "taking care of [her] stepkids" is the "kinkiest thing" she could ever see herself doing.
http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/03/12/986163/elmira-woman-charged-in-poisoning.html
http://www.myspace.com/melmil85
Mood: betrayed
Posted at 7:08 AM Mar 11
Baby Andrew was only visiting.....how could she hate him so much?
RIP little Andrew :rose:
LaLaw2000
03-12-2010, 11:36 PM
OK how is this manslaughter? What do you have to do to be charged with murder?
BBM:
I agree. And, IMO, it should be Premeditated Murder. This monster put it in the baby bottle or forced him to drink it, so she did indeed mean to kill this baby.
JMO
SunnieRN
03-12-2010, 11:56 PM
Heartless, cruel and premeditated. She should be facing the death penalty. The rules/consequences should be the same whether you kill an adult or a child. I don't understand the difference??!
GannyP
03-13-2010, 12:01 AM
Just after 8 a.m. on Thursday, Engelhardt signed into her MySpace account and described her mood as "betrayed."
The Internet page provided a further glimpse into Engelhardt's life. She gave birth to her own biological daughter, Mariannah, last March and mentions in an online survey that "taking care of [her] stepkids" is the "kinkiest thing" she could ever see herself doing.
http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/03/12/986163/elmira-woman-charged-in-poisoning.html
http://www.myspace.com/melmil85
Mood: betrayed
Posted at 7:08 AM Mar 11
Baby Andrew was only visiting.....how could she hate him so much?
RIP little Andrew :rose:
Probably because the daddy had to pay child support and the daddy may have even paid to much attention to the little guy and she was jealous! I've heard of that happenning.
mikeysmommom
03-13-2010, 12:20 AM
Heartless, cruel and premeditated. She should be facing the death penalty. The rules/consequences should be the same whether you kill an adult or a child. I don't understand the difference??!
I agree 150% I do not understand it at all.I think we all need to go back to demonstrating in the streets by the thousands like they did in the seventies.This is insane the victim never seem to get the justice they deserve.:furious:It seems like the Laws are very lax when it comes to BABY KILLERS:furious::furious::furious:She put it in his bottle poor little guy thought wow I have my baba. I wonder what else she had been doing to this child that no one knows.:furious::furious::furious:This should be a death penalty case no sympathy for this momster just because she is pregnant.:furious::furious::furious:
mikeysmommom
03-13-2010, 12:30 AM
Just after 8 a.m. on Thursday, Engelhardt signed into her MySpace account and described her mood as "betrayed."
The Internet page provided a further glimpse into Engelhardt's life. She gave birth to her own biological daughter, Mariannah, last March and mentions in an online survey that "taking care of [her] stepkids" is the "kinkiest thing" she could ever see herself doing.
http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/03/12/986163/elmira-woman-charged-in-poisoning.html
http://www.myspace.com/melmil85
Mood: betrayed
Posted at 7:08 AM Mar 11
Baby Andrew was only visiting.....how could she hate him so much?
RIP little Andrew :rose:
Thanks for the link.Did you know you can leave her a message?:angel:
Angel4u2Whisper2
03-13-2010, 12:40 AM
Probably because the daddy had to pay child support and the daddy may have even paid to much attention to the little guy and she was jealous! I've heard of that happenning.
Yup. That could be a part of the picture. How about the connection that must still be there between the mother of his only son and himself? :waitasec:
She has a chance now to have his only son if this child she is carrying is a boy. Mission accomplished?
I also agree with all the posters that mentioned the following..:banghead: Manslaughter? Whats up with that gang? If it were a man they would be already connecting him to a gurney with an iv to put poision in his veins right after his last words and meal of choice. :twocents:
kgeaux
03-13-2010, 12:49 AM
I am going to withhold my opinion for now. I remember watching a program on tv where a baby boy died and his autopsy showed he'd died of antifreeze poisoning. Mommy went to prison. Gave birth to a 2nd child. 2nd child is in a foster home and begins displaying symptoms of antifreeze poisoning. Eventually, both children (the big brother who died, and baby brother who was displaying symptoms) were found to have a genetic defect which caused a condition that VERY CLOSELY mimicked antifreeze poisoning. His little brain showed crystalization that is common in antifreeze poisoning...... They even tested the baby's bottle and it showed signs of having contained antifreeze, but more sophisticated tests by a more experienced scientist showed that the substance in the bottle was NOT antifreeze, it was crystals formed from the baby's (I don't know how to describe this....) from the baby's backwash into the bottle. The crystals in his brain were also the result of a genetic defect.
It took a very long time for that mommy to prove that she had not killed her son. In fact, if her second child had not suffered from the same genetic defect, she'd probably STILL be in prison.
While it is very easy in today's world to believe that a step-mom would poison her step-child in a New York second, I just can't get that other case out of my mind. So I am going to withhold judgment, I am going to try to hope and pray this baby wasn't murdered. I am going to try to believe he had a genetic defect.
And, yeah, I know, what are the odds of that?
kbl8201
03-13-2010, 01:02 AM
i do know that story kgeaux. it was unonsolved mysteries and had a tv movie starring lisa hartman.
but if she actually did this, its no way it's manslaughter
kbl8201
03-13-2010, 01:05 AM
id like to add to that, the diffrence in that case was the anti freeze was found on the part of the bottle where he drank from....(i.e. came from his own lips) not in the milk itself
Angel4u2Whisper2
03-13-2010, 01:11 AM
I am going to withhold my opinion for now. I remember watching a program on tv where a baby boy died and his autopsy showed he'd died of antifreeze poisoning. Mommy went to prison. Gave birth to a 2nd child. 2nd child is in a foster home and begins displaying symptoms of antifreeze poisoning. Eventually, both children (the big brother who died, and baby brother who was displaying symptoms) were found to have a genetic defect which caused a condition that VERY CLOSELY mimicked antifreeze poisoning.
While it is very easy in today's world to believe that a step-mom would poison her step-child in a New York second, I just can't get that other case out of my mind.
I do understand what you are saying. I would hope that noone would ever harm a child. I know that there are cases where mistakes can be made based on rare or underfunded or understood medical conditions. I respect that you would like to wait for more information. I posted a few links on the story for you. I hope that it helps. I too hope that more information will become available as the case progresses.
http://www.wbta1490.com/LocalNews/tabid/115/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/180/Batavia-Baby-Dies-In-Elmira.aspx
Sources in Elmira tell WBTA News that Englehardt placed the Methanol substance in the child’s sippy cup a day or two before he died. Englehardt is in the Chemung County jail without bail.
http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Woman-Charged-With-Manslaughter-Methanol-in/PtARI4lg90ap4yZ-jT43GA.cspx?rss=102
"The toxic substance poison was introduced to Andrew through a drink. It was mixed with some juice,"said Captain Joseph Kain of the Elmira Police Department.
http://www.thebatavian.com/batavia
The infant died Nov. 10. Elmira police now say the child's stepmother, Melissa S. Englehardt, 24, put Methanol, an ingredient in anti-freeze, in a drink and served it to him.
The articles state that the evidence revieled antifreeze was found inside of the childs sippy cup.
kgeaux
03-13-2010, 01:13 AM
I'm glad you remembered the case I was trying to describe. I am sorry that I cannot remember the name of the child who died, or his mother who was sentenced to prison, but as much as I try to remember, I just can't.
I know that the probability is that this stepmother killed the little boy. I guess I just am hoping against hope that his death was the result of a natural process, and not murder.
If she did this, manslaughter doesn't even begin to describe what she did. She should be charged with first degree murder, she should be never ever be set free to harm another innocent child.
kbl8201
03-13-2010, 01:15 AM
why did it take 4 months to figure this out
Angel4u2Whisper2
03-13-2010, 01:22 AM
I think the article (first one linked in the thred) mentioned that they knew about the antifreeze componant within a week of his death due to an autopsy. The responding officers wondered if the child was a victem of the swine flu. I think they must of needed to have more complicated and complete testing done to determine when, how much and who provided or neglected to notice the antifreeze before filing charges? Once a person is charged a due process starts if I am not mistaken. No room for charging the wrong person?
Texas Mist
03-13-2010, 01:35 AM
I'm glad you remembered the case I was trying to describe. I am sorry that I cannot remember the name of the child who died, or his mother who was sentenced to prison, but as much as I try to remember, I just can't.
I know that the probability is that this stepmother killed the little boy. I guess I just am hoping against hope that his death was the result of a natural process, and not murder.
If she did this, manslaughter doesn't even begin to describe what she did. She should be charged with first degree murder, she should be never ever be set free to harm another innocent child.
I thought of that case too -- but wasn't that baby much younger?
NM - found an old article -- the Stallings baby was 5 months old when he died of MMA
http://www.msbp.com/stlouis.htm
kbl8201
03-13-2010, 01:39 AM
and the prosecutors tried to say on appeal that cause the second baby had mma didnt mean the first baby wasnt murdered. meaning it was just the biggest coincicdence ever.
goes to show prosecutors wont ever admit there wrong
Angel4u2Whisper2
03-13-2010, 01:45 AM
Just a quick question. I can do the research later but I wondered about the case that is being discussed the following question (s) how old were both children when they passed away?, the common age of diagnosis and what is the normal onset? This child was almost 2 years old. He lived in another household. One or both homes that he lived or stayed at you would wonder if his "symptoms" should they have been related to an illness would have been reported and or documented by now? If the truth is what it reads, the antifreeze was found inside the cup. That would leave out the other theories. IMO
Angel4u2Whisper2
03-13-2010, 01:49 AM
OT
A quick note..I think Websleuths is great! Thank you all for your input on this story.
rpipergirl
03-13-2010, 06:53 PM
first degree murder is pre meditated with malice of forethought.........i would think this crime would define that
Ya Think!!! It's so rediculous. What is with this DA. :furious::furious::banghead::banghead:
Angel4u2Whisper2
03-13-2010, 10:55 PM
I know I too am very confused and frustrated with the charge of manslaughter. OOPS I accidentally put too much antifreeze in his cup, I only ment to make him really sick instead? Come on now! I don't buy it. Too much antifreeze and too little love doesn't justify manslaughter charges. It is Murder.
Angel4u2Whisper2
03-13-2010, 10:58 PM
Premeditated manslaughter? She purchased or found antifreeze. She retrived or found his sippy cup. She made a combination of juice and antifreeze. She didn't retrive or find help for him when he suffered. Murder. It seems clear to me.
Angel4u2Whisper2
03-17-2010, 06:18 PM
http://dastardlydads.blogspot.com/2010/03/stepmom-poisons-and-kills-21-month-old.html
snip:
The Monroe County Medical Examiner’s Office determined the cause of death as poisoning by methanol, a common ingredient in anti-freeze.
Police think Melissa Engelhardt put the toxic chemical in Andrew’s juice.
Captain Kain explains why Engelhardt's charged with manslaughter, not murder.
“You could intentionally poison somebody, but not mean to kill them and as a result from the poisoning he ended up dying,” Captain Kain said.
Engelhardt was in court Friday morning.
Say What?! She just says Opps my bad, and now its all better!!??:curses:
Angel4u2Whisper2
03-24-2010, 01:48 PM
Bumping thread.
Let us not forget.
Justice for Andrew! :praying:
A child who came to visit, it was a beautiful time as he must of lit up a room and brought so much joy to those who were blessed by his presence.. sadly he left too soon.
kbl8201
03-24-2010, 01:52 PM
http://dastardlydads.blogspot.com/2010/03/stepmom-poisons-and-kills-21-month-old.html
snip:
The Monroe County Medical Examiner’s Office determined the cause of death as poisoning by methanol, a common ingredient in anti-freeze.
Police think Melissa Engelhardt put the toxic chemical in Andrew’s juice.
Captain Kain explains why Engelhardt's charged with manslaughter, not murder.
“You could intentionally poison somebody, but not mean to kill them and as a result from the poisoning he ended up dying,” Captain Kain said.
Engelhardt was in court Friday morning.
Say What?! She just says Opps my bad, and now its all better!!??:curses:
she didnt mean to kill him? i guess she thought that was just good nutritioin? :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
Melanie
03-24-2010, 02:00 PM
I am going to withhold my opinion for now. I remember watching a program on tv where a baby boy died and his autopsy showed he'd died of antifreeze poisoning. Mommy went to prison. Gave birth to a 2nd child. 2nd child is in a foster home and begins displaying symptoms of antifreeze poisoning. Eventually, both children (the big brother who died, and baby brother who was displaying symptoms) were found to have a genetic defect which caused a condition that VERY CLOSELY mimicked antifreeze poisoning. His little brain showed crystalization that is common in antifreeze poisoning...... They even tested the baby's bottle and it showed signs of having contained antifreeze, but more sophisticated tests by a more experienced scientist showed that the substance in the bottle was NOT antifreeze, it was crystals formed from the baby's (I don't know how to describe this....) from the baby's backwash into the bottle. The crystals in his brain were also the result of a genetic defect.
It took a very long time for that mommy to prove that she had not killed her son. In fact, if her second child had not suffered from the same genetic defect, she'd probably STILL be in prison.
While it is very easy in today's world to believe that a step-mom would poison her step-child in a New York second, I just can't get that other case out of my mind. So I am going to withhold judgment, I am going to try to hope and pray this baby wasn't murdered. I am going to try to believe he had a genetic defect.
And, yeah, I know, what are the odds of that?
I saw that too -- very fascinating case. Lots of questions on this one -- did they confiscate anti-freeze? I always am curious when police say they "think" she put anti-freeze in the bottle.
I need a bit more before I can convict.
Best (oh, and MOO)
Mel
kbl8201
03-24-2010, 02:02 PM
the antifreeze in the other case was found on the part of the baby bottle where he drank from (when they say it was in the bottle that is false information or an assumption) meaning it came from his mouth most likely.
think we can pretty much rule that out here, particuarly since it was only a cup and not a bottle.
and that thing about not intending to kill him......reminds me of a leno joke during oj's civil trial.
'o.j simpson today testified that he didnt kill nicole, 'i just made her bleed a little' :(
http://dastardlydads.blogspot.com/2010/03/stepmom-poisons-and-kills-21-month-old.html
snip:
The Monroe County Medical Examiner’s Office determined the cause of death as poisoning by methanol, a common ingredient in anti-freeze.
Police think Melissa Engelhardt put the toxic chemical in Andrew’s juice.
Captain Kain explains why Engelhardt's charged with manslaughter, not murder.
“You could intentionally poison somebody, but not mean to kill them and as a result from the poisoning he ended up dying,” Captain Kain said.
Engelhardt was in court Friday morning.
Say What?! She just says Opps my bad, and now its all better!!??:curses:
Ummmm, yeah and you could intentionally shoot someone in the head and not mean to kill them too. What?!?
Angel4u2Whisper2
03-27-2010, 08:51 AM
I saw that too -- very fascinating case. Lots of questions on this one -- did they confiscate anti-freeze? I always am curious when police say they "think" she put anti-freeze in the bottle.
I need a bit more before I can convict.
Best (oh, and MOO)
Mel
http://centralny.ynn.com/?ArID=498944
snip>
ELMIRA, N.Y. -- The case involving an Elmira woman accused of killing her 21-month-old stepson is headed to Chemung County Court.
Melissa Engelhardt, 24, appeared in Elmira City Court Tuesday and had her preliminary hearing waived. Police arrested Engelhardt last week, saying she poisoned her stepson back in November.
Engelhardt was originally charged with first degree manslaughter. Now the case will go before a grand jury in Chemung County to decide if any additional charges will be made against her.
"It could go either way. There's going to be an issue of intent. Her professed intent was that she did not want to kill the child but that simply wanted to make the child sick. Obviously, the way she attempted to do that was clearly very callous, very reckless and the child ended up dying because of it," said Chemung County Assistant District Attorney John Thweatt.
Thwett says the grand jury could potentially indict Engelhardt on a more serious charge, such as murder. He expects the case will be presented to the grand jury within the next three to four weeks
BBM
I think this may clear up a few things for those looking for more clarification regarding rather or not the antifreeze diagnosis was correct and explains by admission how it got into the babys system.
This also sheds some light (although it is a dim light, IMO, the comment made by Captain Kain as snipped below)
snip>
Captain Kain explains why Engelhardt's charged with manslaughter, not murder.
“You could intentionally poison somebody, but not mean to kill them and as a result from the poisoning he ended up dying,” Captain Kain said.
Engelhardt was in court Friday morning.
RIP Andrew
Atomic
03-27-2010, 10:24 AM
About her Myspace survey, the question about believing in the death penalty, she answered YES in capitol letters. (lowercase for other answers) Ahem.
Angel4u2Whisper2
03-27-2010, 10:52 AM
About her Myspace survey, the question about believing in the death penalty, she answered YES in capitol letters. (lowercase for other answers) Ahem.
Thats interesting, lets see if she has a change of heart now? :waitasec:
Salem
03-27-2010, 11:57 AM
About her Myspace survey, the question about believing in the death penalty, she answered YES in capitol letters. (lowercase for other answers) Ahem.
Do you have a link to her myspace? Was it posted already and I missed it?
TIA,
Salem
ETA: Nevermind - I found it! Actually I had already read it, my brain must be on vacation this morning.... :)
dr dona
03-27-2010, 05:40 PM
So Sorry MrDA---It's fairly common knowledge that Antifreeze can kill if given in small amounts.. Also, this is an excruciatingly painful death ( remember Julie Jensen ) Also, as far as MMA those children have symptoms at an early. Also, many states, Iowa included, have screening for metabolic acidemias and other metabolic screens in their newborn SCREENING PANEL. This test is drawn on all newborns after 24 hrs of age and is sent to the state hygenic lab. Abnormalities if found are called to the physician within 3 to 5 days. Babies with MMA are placed on special formulas and are sent to metabolic specialists.
IMHO this lady should be charged with murder.
LogicalMinds
03-27-2010, 06:22 PM
This is absurd....by giving him that she meant to kill him, that is a painful death
I don't think this little guy was sick, his evil stepmom just wanted to kill him
I have not even seen much about this case, what is wrong with these people??? this is just disgusting...what a beautiful little boy
RIP Andrew
just unreal..what hatred she must have had for her stepson...unreal
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
Angel4u2Whisper2
04-12-2010, 11:26 AM
http://www.weny.com/News-Local.asp?ARTICLE3864=9152385&SRCH3864=erin
Link includes video that also shows pictures of Andrew, link is located at the bottom of the page. Andrew was beautiful. RIP
Angel4u2Whisper2
04-23-2010, 06:36 AM
http://www.wetmtv.com/news/local/story/Elmira-Woman-Pleads-Not-Guilty-for-Poisoning-Death/2jNnfP74LEW92oDI3OdXNA.cspx
Video available at link
ELMIRA- The Elmira woman accused of poisoning her baby step-son was arraigned in Chemung County Court, Thursday afternoon.24-year-old Melissa Engelhardt pleaded not guilty to murder and manslaughter charges.
Police say she confessed to poisoning her 21-month old step child Andrew Cianfrini last November by putting methanol in his juice.
The Assistant District Attorney says investigators found internet records that show Engelhardt researched ways to poison a person just days before the baby was in her care. He also says test results show the methanol found in the baby's body was also present on the sippy cup he drank from.
If found guilty Engelhardt faces life in prison.
BBM: Premeditation? I will be watching this case. Also notice that she plead not guilty to Murder and Manslaughter charges. She can face life in prison. I am trying to find out if the grand jury upped the charges as it appears they did.
Belinda
04-23-2010, 07:39 AM
I've been trying to get more info. on her, but am running into a brick wall. I know she is in the Chemung County Jail based on Vinelink records, but that jail has no inmate lookup. Since she is still at the county jail, she isn't in DOC records. Not sure where to go from here. I was hoping to find some court records on her.
kbl8201
04-23-2010, 11:59 AM
im sorry if she was searching for ways to poison him days before the murder then how in the world is this a manslaughter case?
ridiculous
Angel4u2Whisper2
04-26-2010, 12:35 PM
http://www.thedailynewsonline.com/articles/2010/04/26/news/doc4bd58d7d74826892075477.txt
Elmira woman indicted on murder charge in poisioning case
kbl8201
04-26-2010, 12:40 PM
http://www.thedailynewsonline.com/articles/2010/04/26/news/doc4bd58d7d74826892075477.txt
Elmira woman indicted on murder charge in poisioning case
:woohoo: the grand jury is smarter then the prosecutors!
southernbrunette
04-26-2010, 01:46 PM
yay!!
Also, on her MS it says that her husband was leaving for deployment January 2010..does this mean she was in charge of the baby while the father was away? If so, why?
I wonder what mom's reaction is. Sometimes I wish, barbaric as it sounds, that vigilante justice was allowed with regards to people who hurt/kill children!!
Angel4u2Whisper2
07-21-2010, 08:38 AM
Bumping thred for Andrew. The trial should be starting soon. My understanding from local talk is she trying to get a deal.
Truthful Lies
07-21-2010, 09:52 AM
Bumping thred for Andrew. The trial should be starting soon. My understanding from local talk is she trying to get a deal.
Thanks for posting this update/bump. IMO, she has nothing to offer for a "deal", except to save taxpayers money. May she burn :furious:
Belinda
07-21-2010, 09:53 AM
She already got a deal by only being charged with manslaughter. I still don't get that.
Belinda
07-21-2010, 09:58 AM
I just put Melissa Engelhardt on Vinelink notification so we will get trial notifications. She is still being held in the Chemung County Jail.
Angel4u2Whisper2
09-15-2010, 10:10 PM
Bump. Any new news yet?
SunnieRN
09-15-2010, 10:48 PM
http://www.thedailynewsonline.com/articles/2010/04/26/news/doc4bd58d7d74826892075477.txt
Elmira woman indicted on murder charge in poisioning case
This is great news and makes the waiting less anxious, I wonder if she had the babies yet and who is caring for them?
buffetoflies
09-16-2010, 11:52 AM
http://www.stargazette.com/article/20100908/NEWS01/9080391/Police-Custody-battle-led-Elmira-woman-to-poison-her-stepson
Found this ^ says she's now being charged with with second-degree murder and first-degree manslaughter in the Nov. 10 death of Andrew J. Cianfrini of Batavia. Also says she's due to give birth soon.
RoseWhite
09-16-2010, 06:18 PM
What an incredibly sad story.
Angel4u2Whisper2
09-17-2010, 08:33 AM
http://www.stargazette.com/article/20100908/NEWS01/9080391/Police-Custody-battle-led-Elmira-woman-to-poison-her-stepson
Found this ^ says she's now being charged with with second-degree murder and first-degree manslaughter in the Nov. 10 death of Andrew J. Cianfrini of Batavia. Also says she's due to give birth soon.
Thank you so much buttetoflies for the updated article link!
Angel4u2Whisper2
10-01-2010, 07:27 PM
http://thedailynewsonline.com/news/article_7f965062-cd1f-11df-b7ff-001cc4c03286.html
Snip:
Posted: Friday, October 1, 2010 6:30 am | Updated: 6:49 am, Fri Oct 1, 2010.
By Scott DeSmit sdesmit@batavianews.com | 0 comments
An Elmira woman charged with murdering her 21-month-old stepson from Batavia has given birth to her own son, a month before she is scheduled to face trial in Chemung County Court.
Melissa Englehardt, who has been in jail since her arrest, gave birth to a boy on Sept. 21, said Ed Minardo, director of Genesee Justice.
Minardo said he spoke with Chemung County Chief Assistant District Attorney John Thweatt, who told him that the child is in the custody of his father, George Englehardt.
He said Chemung County is attempting to terminate Melissa Englehardt’s parental rights.
RIP Andrew :rose:
Texas Mist
10-26-2010, 08:07 PM
Engelhardt Faces Friends, Family on First Day of Trial (Video at bottom of story)
Jane Park
October 26, 2010
ELMIRA-- Melissa Engelhardt waived her right to a jury earlier this month.
She was in Chemung County Court to face a judge, and those who came to testify against her.
Prosecution's witnesses took the stand, and there was one common theme. Many of them say Engelhardt had recurring concerns of child poisoning and abuse, and even resentful thoughts toward her stepson, leading up to his death.
Kristen Cianfrini and Engelhardt's husband, George Engelhardt, were both in court today. He said Melissa told him, “It would be nice if we didn't have to support so many kids.”
Thweatt said, “She acknowledged she put what she thought was windshield washer fluid into the sippy cup and gave it to him,” and, “The defendant did in fact want to hurt Andrew, her actions were utterly and completely reckless.”
The trial continues Wednesday at Chemung County Court.
http://www.weny.com/News-Local.asp?ARTICLE3864=9156800
Angel4u2Whisper2
10-27-2010, 06:34 AM
Thank you Texas Mist for the updated article. I guess we have to wait for a little longer, I look forward to hearing the verdict and penelty phase.
Andrew a beautiful angel, I hope that you find comfort and peace.
RIP Andrew :rose:
Angel4u2Whisper2
10-27-2010, 08:30 PM
http://watertown.ynn.com/content/top_stories/521904/testimony-in-engelhardt-trial-continues/
Snip:
In a statement read in court, Engelhardt said, "I didn't want him to die. I just wanted to make him sick...I didn't think I would actually follow through and do it."
The investigator said Engelhardt planned to blame the illness on the child's birth mother, in hopes Engelhardt and her husband would gain custody. A toxicologist confirmed that methanol, a kind of antifreeze, was found in Andrew's sippy cup during the investigation.
In the statement, Engelhardt also said she was bipolar and admitted "when I did this, I was not taking meds."
Closing arguments begin Thursday morning.
And this is a bench trial. That means there is no jury and the judge is expected to decide Engelhardt's fate Thursday.
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BBM: I'll be watching for it. RIP Andrew :rose:
Angel4u2Whisper2
10-28-2010, 05:27 PM
http://watertown.ynn.com/content/top_stories/521995/split-verdict-in-engelhardt-trial/
Snip:
Split verdict in Engelhardt trial
ELMIRA, N.Y. -- A split verdict in the trial of a woman accused of killing her 21-month-old stepson in Elmira. Melissa Engelhardt was found guilty of manslaughter, but not guilty of second degree murder with depraved indifference.
Additional Links with related stories:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39897775
http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S1812908.shtml?cat=566
Texas Mist
10-28-2010, 06:40 PM
minimum 5 yrs ??????????....little baby Andrew didn't get a chance to live half that long. :(
Angel4u2Whisper2
10-28-2010, 08:18 PM
Mad crazy I have seen people get harsher time for growing a green plant in their back yard! I am so frustrated...I must stand back a minute cause steam is gonna melt my computer screen. :rant:
mikeysmommom
10-28-2010, 08:30 PM
What an injustice to Andrew, she put anti freeze in his sippy cup!!!WTH is going on in this world, she deserves to be in jail for life IMO.She murdered him in cold blood!!!! Sentences like this are the reason why we are seeing so many murdered children everyday.That Judge should be throw off the bench IMO.
Angel4u2Whisper2
10-28-2010, 09:28 PM
I found a facebook group for Andrew for anyone that is intrested!
Justice for Andrew
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_102595383143448&ref=notif¬if_t=group_activity
:rose: Andrew :rose:
Angel4u2Whisper2
11-06-2010, 03:13 PM
Share your feelings and support with the family and friends of little Andrew at open facebook group. Link below:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_102595383143448&ref=notif¬if_t=group_activity
Online Memorial for little Andrew more information at link: http://memorialwebsites.legacy.com/AndrewCianfrini/Homepage.aspx
Angel4u2Whisper2
11-08-2010, 06:30 AM
Light a blue candle for Andrew or if you can join the memorial (please see link and additional information below) on November 10th. You can let the family know that you support them and justice for Andrew at the link in my signature page. It will have been one year since Andrew was posioned by Windshield Wiper fluid by his stepmother.
Thank you in advance!
:rose: :rose: :rose:
http://thedailynewsonline.com/obituaries/article_13d0fd82-e958-11df-a9df-001cc4c03286.html
Andrew Cianfrini
BATAVIA — The family is having a candlelighting for Andrew Cianfrini at 6 p.m. Wednesday at St. Joseph’s Mausoleum on Ellicott Street, Batavia. This is for anyone that would like to support the family.
As a request from the family, they are asking everyone to bring a blue candle. The family would like to thank everyone in advance for participating.
Salem
11-08-2010, 10:54 AM
minimum 5 yrs ??????????....little baby Andrew didn't get a chance to live half that long. :(
But she could get 25 years. So I'm sending prayers that she gets the full 25!
Salem
Angel4u2Whisper2
11-08-2010, 05:17 PM
But she could get 25 years. So I'm sending prayers that she gets the full 25!
Salem
Thank you.
:prayer: Me too Salem...Me too.
Angel4u2Whisper2
11-10-2010, 07:14 AM
Light a blue candle for Andrew or if you can join the memorial (please see link and additional information below) on November 10th. You can let the family know that you support them and justice for Andrew at the link in my signature page. It will have been one year since Andrew was posioned by Windshield Wiper fluid by his stepmother.
Thank you in advance!
:rose: :rose: :rose:
http://thedailynewsonline.com/obituaries/article_13d0fd82-e958-11df-a9df-001cc4c03286.html
Andrew Cianfrini
BATAVIA — The family is having a candlelighting for Andrew Cianfrini at 6 p.m. Wednesday at St. Joseph’s Mausoleum on Ellicott Street, Batavia. This is for anyone that would like to support the family.
As a request from the family, they are asking everyone to bring a blue candle. The family would like to thank everyone in advance for participating.
Sorry to quote my post but I wanted to send out a little reminder for those who wish to light a candle for Andrew. Thank you in advance. Bless you.
:rose: Andrew RIP :rose:
Angel4u2Whisper2
11-11-2010, 12:58 PM
Updated article in the news with photos from the candle light memorial for Andrew. Thank you to all that are following the story for your heartfelt prayers, candles that you lit and just for caring enough to read the thred.
:rose: RIP Andrew.
Snip:
A growing number of people in Genesee County have a message for Chemung County Judge Peter C. Buckley: Do right by Baby Andrew.
They already think Buckley's served justice poorly by not finding Andrew Cianfrini's killer, his own step-mother, 24-year-old Melissa Engelhardt, guilty of murder. Instead, Buckley found Engelhardt guilty of only manslaughter in a non-jury trial where Buckley was the sole fact finder in the case.
More than 1,200 people have joined a Facebook group, Justice for Baby Andrew, and about 100 of them gathered Wednesday evening for a candlelight vigil at St. Joseph's Mausoleum, where Baby Andrew was laid to rest.
Link:
http://thebatavian.com/blogs/howard-owens/genesee-county-residents-banding-together-seek-justice-baby-andrew/22074
mikeysmommom
11-11-2010, 06:16 PM
I also pray she gets 25 years, Andrew was such a beautiful child he deserved a right to grow up.I still can not believe this Judge, this was cold blooded murder IMO.He needs to be off the bench.
Angel4u2Whisper2
11-13-2010, 10:30 AM
Newest articles:
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FbLEfCf&h=de19f
Snip:
When the verdict was pronounced, all Kristen Cianfrini could do was cry.
Melissa Engelhardt, who in her mind, had murdered her son, 21-month-old Andrew Cianfrini, was getting away with it.
Even though experts had told Kristen a manslaughter rather than a murder verdict was possible, especially from a reportedly liberal Chumung County judge who would render the decision in a non-jury trial, she didn't want to believe it.
"I just pushed it out of my mind," Kristen said. "I just thought the evidence was there."
And according to Ed Minardo, director of Genesee Justice, who sat with Kristen through the entire trial of the 24-year-old Engelhardt, of Elmira, it was.
"How can somebody put poison in a sippy cup and over the next 24 hours watch a baby get sicker and not take him to the hospital and that not be depraved indifference?" said Minardo.
Link: Article about depraved indifference written in this case.
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Felmiraecho.com%2F2010%2F11%2F 03%2Fdepraved-indifference%2F&h=de19f
Snip from that article:
The fact that the defendant gave the child poison with the intention of making him sick shows she knew the risks when she did it. She did so with the intention to either kill the child as she confided having thoughts about in a conversation with at least one witness, or to simply make him sick and then blame the child’s mother in an attempt to get custody of the child. All because she felt some sense of burden and blamed the child. She knew what she was doing was wrong when she did it, and apologizing or covering her backside by saying she didn’t mean to do changes nothing. She abused, and attempted to use a defenseless child as a pawn in her manipulation of others for her own benefit. If that isn’t “depraved indifference”, I don’t know what is.
Angel4u2Whisper2
11-16-2010, 08:02 PM
Anyone that wishes to write to the probation office that will be sentencing Melissa Engelhardt on December 6th or to the judge I have included information. Andrews mother Kristen is asking people to write and help her seek justice for her child. You can find the link (Justice for Baby Andrew) to her plea in the signature at the bottom of this page. Time is running out!
Letters to the Judge:
Hon. Peter C. Buckley
County Court Judge & Surrogate,
Chemung County 224 Lake Street
P.O. Box 588
Elmira, NY 14902
(607) 737-2940 (607) 737- 2940
__________________________________________________ _______
Letters to the Probation Department:
The probation department will be doing a pre-sentancing reveiw for the case.
Brian Dupont
Re: People v. Melissa Engelhardt
Chumung County Probation Department
203 Williams St.
Elmira, N.Y. 14091
Thank you in advance all that care, share and just are always there.
:rose: RIP little Andrew
MorenoI
11-17-2010, 01:20 PM
This story is so sad. I don't understand how she thought she was just going to make him sick? And then to plan it on "I didn't take my meds" please! Justice for this baby!!
Then all the research she did on the antifreeze....What is wrong with this judge??
Angel4u2Whisper2
11-18-2010, 08:22 PM
This story is so sad. I don't understand how she thought she was just going to make him sick? And then to plan it on "I didn't take my meds" please! Justice for this baby!!
Then all the research she did on the antifreeze....What is wrong with this judge??
I know right! If she ment only to make him sick to make it look like it was his mom for custody reasons....why didn't she call 911 or march him to the hospital as soon as there were signs! There is so much more to this and the injustice is so frustrating for me, I cant even think of his family must feel:banghead:
Angel4u2Whisper2
11-26-2010, 09:30 PM
Anyone that wishes to write to the probation office that will be sentencing Melissa Engelhardt on December 6th or to the judge I have included information. Andrews mother Kristen is asking people to write and help her seek justice for her child. You can find the link (Justice for Baby Andrew) to her plea in the signature at the bottom of this page. Time is running out!
Letters to the Judge:[B]
Hon. Peter C. Buckley
County Court Judge & Surrogate,
Chemung County 224 Lake Street
P.O. Box 588
Elmira, NY 14902
(607) 737-2940 (607) 737- 2940
__________________________________________________ _______
[B]Letters to the Probation Department:
The probation department will be doing a pre-sentancing reveiw for the case.
Brian Dupont
Re: People v. Melissa Engelhardt
Chumung County Probation Department
203 Williams St.
Elmira, N.Y. 14091
Thank you in advance all that care, share and just are always there.
:rose: RIP little Andrew
Sorry to quote myself but this post has the addresses already written. December 6 is right around the corner! Also I wanted to add the newest article.
Snip:
]Melissa Englehardt is a murderer.
Plain and simple.
A cold, calculating baby-killer, who even after she murdered young Andrew John Cianfrini had the gall to create a memorial page on the Internet, telling the world how much she loved her stepson.
Twisted.
Should you feel sorry for such a sick young woman, don’t.
She knew what she was doing.
She devised a plan to murder Andrew.
Plain and simple.
Andrew had no idea his stepmother hated him that much. He was just 21 months old and more than likely just saw her as a part-time mommy.
Melissa saw him as something else. An object. A pawn.
Somewhere in her sick mind she thought that by making Andrew sick and by taking care of him like a real mommy she and her husband, Andrew’s father, George, would get custody of the boy.
She researched how to do it and came upon a plan to give the boy windshield washer fluid.
Make him sick and then be the heroine.
Never mind that anything you read about windshield washer fluid or antifreeze or any number of similar products tells you one thing: Drinking this may cause death or serious physical injury.
It is poison.
Link:http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fthedailynewsonline.com%2Fopin ion%2Feditorials%2Farticle_799328c0-eee9-11df-bae1-001cc4c03286.html&h=81ef2
mikeysmommom
11-27-2010, 10:11 AM
She makes me sick, she knew it would kill him! That Judge needs to come off the bench, WTH is wrong with him???? If that would have been my child,grandson she never would have made it to trial!
Angel4u2Whisper2
11-30-2010, 08:45 AM
There are people all over the world trying to help his voice be heard. below is a video that was recently put on the facebook group. I hope that the judge in this case does the right thing this time!
"Heaven has another angel but we will miss ours".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsILisxWWks
Created by Justice for Baby Andrew~Cortney Bentley
Rest in peace little Andrew :rose:
Angel4u2Whisper2
12-06-2010, 10:55 AM
Well all..today is the day as soon as I hear the sentence I will post it here for those who wish to read. Thank you for all your support and love. <3
Angel4u2Whisper2
12-06-2010, 05:56 PM
20 Years!
Woman sentenced for poisoning toddler
Updated: Monday, 06 Dec 2010, 5:25 PM EST
Published : Monday, 06 Dec 2010, 5:25 PM EST
Mark Parrotte
Posted by: Eli George
ELMIRA, N.Y. (WIVB) - An Elmira woman learned her fate for the fatal poisoning of her 21-month-old stepson.
Link for the sentence here: http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/genesee/Woman-sentenced-for-poisoning-toddler
mikeysmommom
12-06-2010, 07:08 PM
20 Years!
Woman sentenced for poisoning toddler
Updated: Monday, 06 Dec 2010, 5:25 PM EST
Published : Monday, 06 Dec 2010, 5:25 PM EST
Mark Parrotte
Posted by: Eli George
ELMIRA, N.Y. (WIVB) - An Elmira woman learned her fate for the fatal poisoning of her 21-month-old stepson.
Link for the sentence here: http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/genesee/Woman-sentenced-for-poisoning-toddler
I am very glad she will hopefully be spending the next 20 years in prison, I just pray no time off for good behavior. I still am upset by this Judge this was cold blooded premeditation 1st degree murder. I hope the dad has learned to be more careful who he brings around his child.My heart goes out to his mother,may she find some peace with this sentence.
Andrew's life expectancy was at least 70+ more years. That's how these psycho baby killers should be sentenced, jmo, death or life expectancy of the victim. Sorry to sound so mean but this has got to stop.
Texas Mist
12-07-2010, 04:50 AM
<snip>
For Cianfrini and George Engelhardt, Andrew's father, the pain has not gone away. They say they'll never get over it, and the sentencing brings little closure.
Cianfrini read a powerful statement in court Monday. She also shared it with News 10NBC.
"I would like to start out by saying Melissa Miller is a murderer. No question. My son Andrew John Cianfrini did not deserve to die," read Cianfrini.
Little Andrew was just 21-months-old when he died in November of 2009.
"Andrew's life was cut way too short because Melissa researched how to poison my sweet baby boy on the Internet," said Cianfrini. "She planned for months."
Melissa Engelhardt poisoned Andrew while he was visiting her and his father in Elmira.
"She has no remorse, no sorrow, no nothing," said Cianfrini. "She knew what she was doing when she killed my son."
George Engelhardt is in the process of getting a divorce from Melissa Engelhardt and prefers people to call her Melissa Miller.
more here
http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S1870087.shtml?cat=566
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