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JoeFromLB
03-17-2010, 02:28 AM
A better match for Lynn Luray? (missing from Long Beach in 1964)

http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/gallery/kz6i2c-kz6i1d0013.jpg

http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC1126040c1.jpg


This one can be enlarged:
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00133.jpg

dsntslp
03-17-2010, 02:18 PM
A better match for Lynn Luray? (missing from Long Beach in 1964)

http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/gallery/kz6i2c-kz6i1d0013.jpg

http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC1126040c1.jpg


This one can be enlarged:
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00133.jpg

It almost looks like she has faded writing on her arm when I blow this up. Like it says "Joe with a larger D underneath and possibly some numbers. Hooking laptop to big screen TV now to see if it is my imagination.

When I put it on the big screen and zoom in it looks like numbers. 38652 maybe, written lengthwise down the arm? If they have not already done so the FBI or someone with really great picture editing software should take a look at her arm that is closest to the window, IMO. When I am not zoomed in it still appears to say "Joe D". Maybe if she had written on herself it was scrubbed off for the pictures. If this was from LE writing on the pictures to mark as evidence we would see the writing clearly, correct?

Looking at it magnified differently it appears to be a block style capital A followed by a lower case b and s the a large 2 facing the direction of the wrist.

I can't make any of it out clearly but there is definitely faded writing there IMO.

Could this say "Yvonne" ? Is there an Yvonne missing?

ETA: So far I can not find an Yvonne missing that would be a match.

carbuff
03-17-2010, 03:43 PM
How about this one: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rader_angela.html

for her: http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00651.jpg

or these 2:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/connes_lynn.html

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/01991.jpg

I don't think the bottom pair matches -- the photo isn't nearly as square through the chin.

Here's the other pair, Angela Rader and the girl from the photos. It looks pretty close. Rader disappeared along with her friend Tammy Akers, so I took a look at her too, and wow. Looks like she's in here too? Or am I seeing things?

JoeFromLB
03-17-2010, 03:58 PM
Post deleted. Copied in by mistake.

dsntslp
03-17-2010, 04:46 PM
Are these all the same girl?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323264.jpg

http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/gallery/kz6iji-kz6iej0165.jpg

http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/gallery/kz6ih3-kz6igj0151.jpg

http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/gallery/kz6i2c-kz6i1d0013.jpg

http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/gallery/kz6i2d-kz6i1e0015.jpg

(I didn't have time to make thumbnail attachments of them.)

Let's see if this works. They all look similar to me. Pic's 4 and 5 show what looks like the same necklace too.

Billylee
03-17-2010, 05:09 PM
Let's see if this works. They all look similar to me. Pic's 4 and 5 show what looks like the same necklace too.

I thought the one in the hat was a different girl, but maybe it is the same girl.

JoeFromLB
03-17-2010, 05:28 PM
Let's see if this works. They all look similar to me. Pic's 4 and 5 show what looks like the same necklace too.

That looks like the same necklace to me. Good observation!

dsntslp
03-17-2010, 05:47 PM
That looks like the same necklace to me. Good observation! TY. It shows in all except the first picture.

bluestarzz
03-17-2010, 09:51 PM
oh, i can't blow up the pic of her in what looks like a dress by the window that much, but i take your word for it on the necklace :)
bluestarzzz

JoeFromLB
03-17-2010, 10:17 PM
oh, i can't blow up the pic of her in what looks like a dress by the window that much, but i take your word for it on the necklace :)
bluestarzzz

The girl by the window (larger version):

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00133.jpg

Imbackon
03-17-2010, 11:37 PM
The girl by the window (larger version):

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00133.jpg

Thanks for the blown up version.
Yes, the girl by the window is the same girl as the other girl from 4 pics (some posts earlier) with the necklace.
I could tell the same girl was in multiple pictures, but never put her together with the girl by the window. Good eye.

JoeFromLB
03-18-2010, 12:41 AM
Lynn Luray?

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/angelsfansince79/large.jpg

http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC1126040c1.jpg

cj1132
03-18-2010, 07:41 AM
Let's see if this works. They all look similar to me. Pic's 4 and 5 show what looks like the same necklace too.

I also think they are the same. If you look at the hands, you can see all have long fingers. I also think that this picture was probably taken late 1976 at the earliest. I base it on the hairstyle. Charlie's Angels came out in 1976 and the wispy, layered hairstyle became popular then.

Filly
03-25-2010, 10:00 PM
This very young girl I know we had discussed in the general thread. The girl wearing a staraw hat posed up against the window. The window looking to be trimmed in the same color we saw of Alcala's apartment.

Here she is.


http://www.ocregister.com/news/alcala-238591-women-murphy.html#article-photos

Going over missing cold cases I think I have someone gits her pretty well. This child was missing on August 8, 1971. Alcala wasn't busted until August 12th. The child went missing from "Glen Falls, New York". I'm no whiz at geography. Is that anywhere near or between New Hamshire and NYC? TIA


Here is a photograph of her. Mary Anne Wesolowski. Part her hair in the middle. Her nostrils look the same and the ratio between her lip and nose seem the same as The Straw Hat Girl. BTW I say that respectfully.


http://www.charleyproject.org/images/w/wesolowski_mary.jpg

Filly
03-26-2010, 03:01 AM
I'm sorry my first link didn't go directly to the girl in the straw hat. She reminded me of a young Jody Foster. Mary Anne Wesolowski did as well.

Then again would Alcala go out and buy an outfit and a straw hat for a child? Did someone entrust him to photograph their child alone? She looks extremely uncomfortable to me.




http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00133.jpg

Pink Panther
03-26-2010, 12:15 PM
I'm sorry my first link didn't go directly to the girl in the straw hat. She reminded me of a young Jody Foster. Mary Anne Wesolowski did as well.

Then again would Alcala go out and buy an outfit and a straw hat for a child? Did someone entrust him to photograph their child alone? She looks extremely uncomfortable to me.




http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00133.jpg
There were lots and lots of comments on the main thread about this girl and several other pictures of her as well. Can these comments not be brought over to this new thread???

carbuff
03-27-2010, 10:17 AM
This very young girl I know we had discussed in the general thread. The girl wearing a staraw hat posed up against the window. The window looking to be trimmed in the same color we saw of Alcala's apartment.

Here she is.


http://www.ocregister.com/news/alcala-238591-women-murphy.html#article-photos

Going over missing cold cases I think I have someone gits her pretty well. This child was missing on August 8, 1971. Alcala wasn't busted until August 12th. The child went missing from "Glen Falls, New York". I'm no whiz at geography. Is that anywhere near or between New Hamshire and NYC? TIA


Here is a photograph of her. Mary Anne Wesolowski. Part her hair in the middle. Her nostrils look the same and the ratio between her lip and nose seem the same as The Straw Hat Girl. BTW I say that respectfully.


http://www.charleyproject.org/images/w/wesolowski_mary.jpg

Glen's Falls isn't really on the way to or from much of anything, but it has a formula one racetrack and other summer attractions, and isn't that far from New York City. Somebody else thought another pair of photos looked like a young couple who disappeared while swimming near Glen's Falls.

I attached the side-by-side. Weslowski's Charley project file is here: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wesolowski_mary.html

carbuff
03-27-2010, 10:22 AM
I'm sorry my first link didn't go directly to the girl in the straw hat. She reminded me of a young Jody Foster. Mary Anne Wesolowski did as well.

Then again would Alcala go out and buy an outfit and a straw hat for a child? Did someone entrust him to photograph their child alone? She looks extremely uncomfortable to me.




http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00133.jpg

Photographers have shelves and bags full of props for photos; it wouldn't have to be hers or especially for her. But yeah, molesters often buy clothes or other presents for the children they're targeting.

No reason to think she's there alone. Alcala was a real though not terribly successful photographer. The mother might have been standing right behind his shoulder making faces at her daughter.

Filly
03-28-2010, 12:11 PM
Photographers have shelves and bags full of props for photos; it wouldn't have to be hers or especially for her. But yeah, molesters often buy clothes or other presents for the children they're targeting.

No reason to think she's there alone. Alcala was a real though not terribly successful photographer. The mother might have been standing right behind his shoulder making faces at her daughter.

Thank you carbuff. I thought if it was Mary Anne Wesolowski he abducted her and went out and purchased an outfit for her.

I truly believe they do look much alike.

You're right about the props. I worked for a photographer for many years. Or should I say "portrait artist" as my friend describes her profession? I thought about that as in how if Alcala was trying to be professional he'd have had alot more props. Nope. Same chair, same window, a few different sheets or curtains as backdrops.

Also I have personally been to photographers for head shots where their studio was attached to their home or apartment so I can see that. I guess that bizarre pink swing was a prop? Thanks again.

carbuff
03-28-2010, 01:34 PM
Thank you carbuff. I thought if it was Mary Anne Wesolowski he abducted her and went out and purchased an outfit for her.

I truly believe they do look much alike.

You're right about the props. I worked for a photographer for many years. Or should I say "portrait artist" as my friend describes her profession? I thought about that as in how if Alcala was trying to be professional he'd have had alot more props. Nope. Same chair, same window, a few different sheets or curtains as backdrops.

Also I have personally been to photographers for head shots where their studio was attached to their home or apartment so I can see that. I guess that bizarre pink swing was a prop? Thanks again.

Yes, I do see quite a lot of resemblance there, and the circumstances are possible.

Yes, the bizarre pink swing was a prop -- those kind of shots were popular at the time. Think skirts swirling up. I think the props for the sexy nudes market are a lot more basic than the ones for "portrait artists" :p

Filly
03-29-2010, 11:40 PM
I think the props for the sexy nudes market are a lot more basic than the ones for "portrait artists" :p

You have no idea what we used when we first started out in a tiny studio.:crazy: We rigged all kinds of stuff.

Indeed the pink swing for those old "nudies" I was mentioning my parents used to call them "Girlie Magazines".:rolleyes: Example: "Mom, Billy and his friend Joe are upstairs peeking at daddy's girlie magazines". Sounds like I grew up in a house of ill repute. Different times.

Would it be possible if someone recalls who said a couple drowned in Glen's Falls was it on the old thread? Would it be possible we could find it?

Filly
03-30-2010, 09:54 AM
Reviewing again I don't believe this girl in the straw hat is Mary Anne.

Billylee
04-15-2010, 11:30 PM
I know we've discussed this girl, but I see no thread for her(?)

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00213.jpg

I think she looks a lot like Paulette Jaster. There are lots of pictures of Paulette here, but particularly the second row picture #1 & #3. Her nose looks identical to me. And the mouth and expression of her face. It says her eyes are hazel and her hair dark brown, but in those two pictures it appears her hair is lightened.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jaster_paulette.html

Herding Cats
04-16-2010, 12:30 AM
At first glance, the similarities are very close. However, the Charlyproject website states there was information which placed her (certainly?) in Arizona in 1980...which is when Alcala was incarcerated.

That doesn't mean she isn't the girl in the photo; it just means if it is her, she survived the encounter.

Best-
Herding Cats

Donjeta
04-16-2010, 04:28 AM
There is one photo in particular in which Paulette looks exactly like the peach blouse girl but I don't think it's her. It says Paulette's eyes are hazel and the peach blouse girl has very blue eyes.

Bargle
04-16-2010, 08:22 AM
Here's the other threads on this girl.

Very Young Straw Hat Girl Posed Against Window - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

And the general thread starting at post 262, though I think most of the relevant posts have been copied to the first thread.
Police asks help identifying the people in photos taken by murderer - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

archivist
04-16-2010, 10:09 AM
There is a prior thread, which frankly gave me chills, called "Tammy Akers & Angela Rader." Alcala had photos that look very much like both these teens who ran away from Virginia together in 1977. Tammy Akers was the Sissy Spacek lookalike, a good match for the girl in the peach blouse.

I think Paulette Jaster was too old when she went missing to be the peach blouse girl.

Billylee
04-16-2010, 11:05 PM
At first glance, the similarities are very close. However, the Charlyproject website states there was information which placed her (certainly?) in Arizona in 1980...which is when Alcala was incarcerated.

That doesn't mean she isn't the girl in the photo; it just means if it is her, she survived the encounter.

Best-
Herding Cats

Yeah, I saw that, but the way I read it was that they were still not certain it was her, because no one really saw her, they just said her ss # had been used and only in 1980. Could have been found by someone and used to get a job or whatever. I dunno, I just think the expressions on this young lady are exactly the same, and I can't really tell if her eyes are blue or hazel in the pics, so after considering all those things, I just thought I'd put her out there for your opinions, and you all seem to have the same feelings as I do as to why she's maybe not a match, but I think the possibility is still there. There's also the possibility of course that she met him earlier than when her disappearance occurred. This girl was a former high school homecoming queen nominee, she looks in the photos to me like she dressed to be interviewing for a job, maybe one that Alcala posted in a paper. (?) Anyway, she had no thread, now she at least has that.

Donjeta
04-21-2010, 05:23 PM
You can see the carpet here:
http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53403044.jpg
http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53402749.jpg
http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53402551.jpg
http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53402914.jpg
http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53403557.jpg
http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53403650.jpg

RubyRed
04-22-2010, 04:51 PM
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/04/22/gal_alcala_1.jpg

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/galleries/nypd_seeks_clues_from_photos_taken_by_serial_kille r_rodney_alcala/nypd_seeks_clues_from_photos_taken_by_serial_kille r_rodney_alcala.html

This looks like the same girl.

tatertot
04-22-2010, 05:07 PM
Outdoor photos (are those red flowers behind her hyacinths?) Would this make her the only person so far to be photographed both indoors and out?

http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53404327.jpg

http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53404427.jpg

reasypeasy
04-22-2010, 05:45 PM
When I saw the picture at first I thought the flowers were some sort of fancy and well cared for bearded iris hybrid because of what looks like draped bits of flower.

Then I decided there wasn't enough leaf for that, and I started wondering if they were celosia.

Lil'E
08-07-2010, 05:19 AM
This girl at the vintage table has a striking resemblance to Lynne Schulze IMHO. She vanished on Dec. 10, 1971, from Middlebury College. Alcala was on the East Coast at the time according to the timeline. What to you guys think of her possibly being a match?

Age When Last Seen: 18

Hair Color: Light Brown
Eye Color: Blue
Height: 5’3”
Weight: 115 lbs
Gender: Female
Race: White

Lynne Schulze (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/schulze_lynne.html)

sunseeker29
08-10-2010, 07:34 PM
As I read the timeline he was arrested in NH in June 1971 - Lynne didn't disappear until Dec 1971 - which would not fit the time line.

Redbird
08-11-2010, 01:28 PM
All the pictures we have of this girl show her happy and smiling. Absolutely no fear. My gut tells me she was not a murder victim, but was probably a neighbor, friend, classmate, someone who had no idea this guy was such a monster.

BenFranklin
12-01-2010, 11:43 PM
When I looked into Alcala's believed travels - and made note that he acquired stoage in Seattle - I recognized that he may have travelled there by car.

I think this missing person case, of Cindy Irene King is a possible match, if not with the young lady in the photograph, but also with an Unidentified deceased white female.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1640dfor.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/CIKing.jpg

Note that it says: "Tatoo near groin."

Hot case 1273:

http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase1273.html

says: "a five point star tattoo on the inside of her upper right thigh."

Of course Cindy Irene King lived in Oregon, the victim was found July 25, 1977 at Yakima, Washington.

Cindy Irene King went missing July 19, 1977 from Grant's Pass, Oregon.

The difference is the blue eyes in Alcala's picture and brown eyes in both the Hot case 1273 and Cindy Irene King Case file.

plait
01-15-2011, 04:15 PM
I think this girl in the straw hat is dead and has been propped up aginst the window. Something about her eyes. Her hands appear limp, and posed. the bump on her nose seem to stand out more. Her body, and head appears smaller. Why is her clothes changed all of a sudden and put in a white dress. Another site which i can't find- has some other photos of her wearing the peach blouse.

plait
01-16-2011, 02:28 PM
Can someone please post a photo of actress Daphne Zuniga beside photo of this girl. Apparently I'm not the only one that thinks she looks like her.

Thanking in advance

not_my_kids
01-31-2011, 05:59 AM
I would say alive, but either very drugged or out and out terrified. Uncomfortable is an understatement to me. I fshe were deceased, I would expect more slackness in the jaw, unless it were wired, and I don't think Alcala had that skill (although if I'm wrong, please correct me.) It would also be difficult to pull off a standing posture with that rotation of the hips if she were deceased.
To aid in identification, I did notice that her right thumb is shorter and pudgier than her left, on reinspection, it may even be dislocated. I also might be crazy, but on the other arm, up against the glass, there appears to be a mark or line, possibly a ligature line about halfway between her elbow and wrist, on the inside of the arm. She also seems to have a very deep tan or sunburn across her shoulders, so the outfit fits the weather, as far as I can tell from the lack of goosebumps where her arm is contact with the window. The left side of her face appears bruised, under the eye and I think I see some bruising on that side of her nose as well. The bump on her nose indicates a badly healed break, as in it was never set and might have been recent (although I have seen some breaks that weren't attended to that still looked like that years later.) The dress, for being white, appears spotless, not something that she would have been wearing during a struggle or beating. The same with the hat, I seem to remember owning a couple hats like that, although smaller, and from what I remember, the straw snagged very easily, you couldn't really even walk under a tree while you had one on. I really think Alcala kept dress up clothes, since we are seeing to many repeated articles of clothing and things that don't really fit the wearer. I don't think she necessarily would have worn that in public, although it was different times, simply because she has no bra on and it's white...freak rainstorms and all. Do we know if he liked to dress up his subjects? Knowing how he liked to pose them, it wouldn't surprise me at all.

He certainly had an affinity for necklaces and things that went around the throat, didn't he?

The poor thing looks utterly terrified to me.

norest4thewicked
01-31-2011, 08:31 AM
As a professional photographer, this photo doesn't look at all odd in a model who is not experienced. The photographer tells her to lean up against the window and she doesn't get exactly what he means. The look on her face I have seen a million times where the model is half questioning/half frustrated that she can't get the pose right to please the photographer. I see nothing at all in this photo to make me think that she is actively being harassed or worse. This is not to say that something didn't happen later on, but just saying that she is one of the ones actually "posing" and with clothing and props (the hat) to make it seem a legitimate photo shoot. Not so in many many of the others.

Redbird
01-31-2011, 09:07 AM
I agree. I think this is one of the few pictures where it looks like he was actually being a photographer instead of using his camera to lure a potential victim.

norest4thewicked
01-31-2011, 10:19 AM
Yes...I thought she looked very familiar and never blew her photo up in comparison to the girl in the peach blouse since that girl was identified and alive. Now after blowing her photo up, I see that she has on the same necklace as the other girl. Then I went back and reread the previous posters. This girl has already been identified apparently and should probably go with her other pictures of her in the peach. It isn't unlikely that a model will model more than one outfit at a photo shoot. My models usually model 2-3 each shoot.

I vow to read all of the previous posters from now on before I comment as many people have already gone through this back last year when everything first came to light. I feel silly now...:):blushing::blushing:

not_my_kids
01-31-2011, 10:31 AM
Yes...I thought she looked very familiar and never blew her photo up in comparison to the girl in the peach blouse since that girl was identified and alive. Now after blowing her photo up, I see that she has on the same necklace as the other girl. Then I went back and reread the previous posters. This girl has already been identified apparently and should probably go with her other pictures of her in the peach. It isn't unlikely that a model will model more than one outfit at a photo shoot. My models usually model 2-3 each shoot.

I vow to read all of the previous posters from now on before I comment as many people have already gone through this back last year when everything first came to light. I feel silly now...:):blushing::blushing:

Me too. But with something like this, that is basically unheard of, there is no standard to follow, and it's hard to keep up with. So many people, no idea who is who or what condition they are in...it's amazing that there aren't nationwide occurrences of sleuths with exploding heads.

Bargle
01-31-2011, 11:57 AM
Yes, it's certainly a convoluted mess of a case and LE hasn't helped by handling the release of these pictures so poorly.

norest4thewicked
01-31-2011, 02:06 PM
Im going to use my time more wisely and look at other crimes until we get more to go on. Its a waste of time speculating about these photos. My point of being here is to not wildly speculate, but be of actual help. Not to say I will ignore these cases....just want to be productive.

plait
01-31-2011, 02:50 PM
Yes...I thought she looked very familiar and never blew her photo up in comparison to the girl in the peach blouse since that girl was identified and alive. Now after blowing her photo up, I see that she has on the same necklace as the other girl. Then I went back and reread the previous posters. This girl has already been identified apparently and should probably go with her other pictures of her in the peach. It isn't unlikely that a model will model more than one outfit at a photo shoot. My models usually model 2-3 each shoot.

I vow to read all of the previous posters from now on before I comment as many people have already gone through this back last year when everything first came to light. I feel silly now...:):blushing::blushing:

Thank god she's ALIVE!!!!! This is excellent news. Actually thought that she was posed dead at the window, I also thought that she was actress Daphne Zuniga at one point.

plait
01-31-2011, 07:24 PM
Yes...I thought she looked very familiar and never blew her photo up in comparison to the girl in the peach blouse since that girl was identified and alive...." :

What is this girl's name because i can't find any info on her. thanks

plait
02-18-2011, 08:34 PM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/04/21/alcala.photos.pdf

This PIC 1--- AND this girl in the straw hat pic AND the girl in the peach colored top at kitchen table looks like the same girl.

In PIC 1-- here she looks OLDER. From the glimpse I see in the background where this photo was taken it looks a glamourous house, unlike any place that is speculated to be RA apt.

Perhaps RA knew her over a period of years or even her parents/ guardians and may have possibly snuck behind their back and got her to pose for him.

the kitchen table looks like a vintage table that a small basement apt or a rented room would be furnished with. Maybe RA rented the basement or even a room from her family.

WildHuncher
03-08-2011, 11:19 PM
Let's see if this works. They all look similar to me. Pic's 4 and 5 show what looks like the same necklace too.

Picture 1, the topless-looking shot by the window, and the straw-hat shot by the window are the same window, same day, similar angle. Picture 1 for some reason has left and right reversed. Up until spotting that, I had thought she looks a year or two older and perhaps darker-haired in Picture 1. That was an illusion of some sort.

In these two shots, as opposed to some of the others, her pupils are little more than tiny pinpricks. That's usually a good sign that a person is not happy with what's going on, however she may otherwise compose her facial features. Her expression would be serene in the first shot if not for those contracted pupils. In the straw hat shot, her whole look is shocked and wary. Reminds me of several other of his subjects whom he may have deliberately photographed just when he was making a not-very-welcome suggestion.

http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae97/WildHuncher/StrawSideBySide.jpg

Bargle
03-09-2011, 07:02 AM
In these two shots, as opposed to some of the others, her pupils are little more than tiny pinpricks. That's usually a good sign that a person is not happy with what's going on, however she may otherwise compose her facial features.

http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae97/WildHuncher/StrawSideBySide.jpg
I think it's nothing more than she's facing more towards the sun and her pupils have naturally contracted.

WildHuncher
03-09-2011, 08:56 AM
I brightened both of the shots above to see into her eyes better. She's actually in very soft light. And in the straw hat shot she's looking back into the room.

http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae97/WildHuncher/TheLight.jpg

plait
03-09-2011, 03:44 PM
Picture 1, the topless-looking shot by the window, and the straw-hat shot by the window are the same window, same day, similar angle. Picture 1 for some reason has left and right reversed. Up until spotting that, I had thought she looks a year or two older and perhaps darker-haired in Picture 1. That was an illusion of some sort.

That's usually a good sign that a person is not happy with what's going on, however she may otherwise compose her facial features. Her expression would be serene in the first shot if not for those contracted pupils. In the straw hat shot, her whole look is shocked and wary. Reminds me of several other of his subjects whom he may have deliberately photographed just when he was making a not-very-welcome suggestion.

http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae97/WildHuncher/StrawSideBySide.jpg

NOW she looks alive. I think she's younger in the right photo in the hat. Maybe drugged and didn't know the pic was taken. Definately older in the topless pic. Her face is more structured. Maybe Alcala knew her family over the years.

norest4thewicked
03-09-2011, 04:16 PM
This woman has been found alive and well. If you read the thread on "found alive," you will not have to keep speculating on this. Photos were taken on the same day. Only had one photo shoot. She isn't dead...never was dead...and her parents were a neighbor of his when he was living with relatives.

Bargle
03-09-2011, 08:13 PM
Norest, I don't mean to appear dim, but I don't know which identified girl you're referring to. The only one she resembles to me is the fence girl and I don't think this one is the same.

WildHuncher
03-09-2011, 11:32 PM
This woman has been found alive and well. If you read the thread on "found alive," you will not have to keep speculating on this. Photos were taken on the same day. Only had one photo shoot. She isn't dead...never was dead...and her parents were a neighbor of his when he was living with relatives.

I can't find her anywhere in the Found Alive forum. Your description sounds like the "tube top" girl with gold cross. She had a 1-day photo shoot with him and lived in the neighborhood. Or maybe Green Wall Girl, also a neighborhood teen from his last days of freedom.

Peach/Straw could for all I know be one of the 8 or so subjects known to police but not identified in People Magazine. I'm not aware of anyplace those have been published.

norest4thewicked
03-10-2011, 08:13 AM
I'll look more today when I get the chance and see if I can find her. Maybe I was imagining things, but I was positive that I had read that this girl had been described as found alive. I'll post what I find.

Redbird
03-10-2011, 01:16 PM
I think this girl was a friend or relative. There is an obvious difference of expression in a few of the pictures where they look relaxed, at ease. So much different from the other pictures. I didn't notice before that the straw hat girl was the same as the peach blouse girl. I think the straw hat girl looks several years younger, but is the same girl.

plait
03-10-2011, 03:22 PM
I'm starting to think these are two different girls, and are sisters, or related. Girl on the left appears to have a scar on her cheek across from her lips, while straw hat girl doesn't. Left girl appears 1 or 2 yrs older.
Another girl in a peach blouse with long red hair against green wall is found alive. NOT this girl. Wasn't Judy Cole the neighbour girl?

Bewitchingstorm
03-10-2011, 06:57 PM
I think this girl was a friend or relative. There is an obvious difference of expression in a few of the pictures where they look relaxed, at ease. So much different from the other pictures. I didn't notice before that the straw hat girl was the same as the peach blouse girl. I think the straw hat girl looks several years younger, but is the same girl.

That was my immediate thought as well. The straw hat girl does look a few years younger, but if you look at the facial structure (primarily the nose and eyes), it appears to be the same.

plait
03-11-2011, 09:25 PM
Thank you carbuff. I thought if it was Mary Anne Wesolowski he abducted her and went out and purchased an outfit for her.

I truly believe they do look much alike.

You're right about the props. I worked for a photographer for many years. Or should I say "portrait artist" as my friend describes her profession? I thought about that as in how if Alcala was trying to be professional he'd have had alot more props. Nope. Same chair, same window, a few different sheets or curtains as backdrops.

Also I have personally been to photographers for head shots where their studio was attached to their home or apartment so I can see that. I guess that bizarre pink swing was a prop? Thanks again.
Maybe Alcala killed her parents and kidnapped her and kept her for 1 or 2 years.

plait
03-13-2011, 02:19 PM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/04/21/alcala.photos.pdf

pic14--she's very young maybe 10 yrs old
pic-1--she's about 16, 17 yrs old
pic---4-16-22-25--38--78--86, etc she's the same age, and pics are taken at same time. I think she's about ages 13 or 14 yrs old.

WildHuncher
03-13-2011, 03:54 PM
As always, MHO:

That highly reflective straw hat is brightening her hair a shade. Other seeming differences are just viewing angle. Still going with same girl, same hair, same window, same cloudy day. ALL the pictures look crudely the same age. The peach shirt ones may be a different day as the lighting, setting, and clothing don't match the other two.

norest4thewicked
03-13-2011, 09:34 PM
Models change their clothing during photo shoots. I agree that it is the same person on the same day. She isn't wearing makeup in the straw hat photo and is wearing makeup in the others. You can see it on the enlargements above. Makeup makes a huge difference in a persons appearance.

dsntslp
03-14-2011, 07:18 AM
She has the same freckle or bump on her right forehead (left in the pic).
Some of the pics just appear to have it covered with more make-up.

Same girl.

plait
03-14-2011, 07:23 PM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/04/21/alcala.photos.pdf

I learned a trick here from various posters. Which is to look at small things in the pics. I looked at the length of her fingernails and its the same length in all the pics. Which proves its the same girl, same day, just different lightening as posters said.

plait
03-15-2011, 05:00 PM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/04/21/alcala.photos.pdf
PIC 38- could that be a year book, or text-book on the table with a large eraser ?

elmomom
07-12-2011, 02:25 PM
Is this the same girl? She has been identified.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-18559_162-10004959-14.html?tag=page

norest4thewicked
07-12-2011, 05:14 PM
Is this the same girl? She has been identified.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-18559_162-10004959-14.html?tag=page

Hi elmomom! Yes, she has been identified. You have to check the dates of the last poster, it was made 4 months ago. The Alcala forum is pretty much dead until something new comes up. :)

elmomom
07-12-2011, 05:57 PM
I spent a lot of time looking through these forums over the past few days, and got really attached to her, I was happy to see that she was ID'ed, so I asked to have the thread moved when I realized she had been.

LisaB
06-07-2012, 02:13 PM
Is this one her too? She looks older...
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23294&stc=1&d=1339092758

Bargle
06-07-2012, 07:28 PM
No, not the same woman. The fence woman was listed as found alive nearly a year earlier than the straw hat girl.