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RubyRed
03-28-2010, 02:38 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323812.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323813.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323814.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323815.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323816.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323818.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323830.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323831.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/photogalleries/localnews2011323273/131.html

RubyRed
03-28-2010, 03:15 PM
It appears there were at least 3 at this photo shoot.

jessunlil
03-28-2010, 06:13 PM
I wonder if these were taken in a bar or nightclub. In the third photo down, it looks like there's a neon sign behind her head, maybe that's the name of the venue? It looks like the beginning is "Fir" and it ends with a "t". Fire something?

Donjeta
03-28-2010, 06:29 PM
Oh, I thought it was Five something.

jessunlil
03-28-2010, 06:35 PM
It appears there were at least 3 at this photo shoot.

There was also a woman with long, dark, curly hair and in a couple of photos I noticed a man off to the side or in the background but I can't remember which site had those photos. There wasn't enough visible of the man to make him recognizeable or to even tell if it was the same man in each photo.

jessunlil
03-28-2010, 06:37 PM
Oh, I thought it was Five something.

I think you're right, it does look more like Five than "fir"!

jessunlil
03-28-2010, 06:49 PM
Beginning of sign.
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End of sign.
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carbuff
03-28-2010, 06:49 PM
I think it's probably a topless go-go club, though that's just a guess.

jessunlil
03-28-2010, 06:55 PM
Girl with long dark hair and what appears to be a man next to her.
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Bargle
03-28-2010, 06:56 PM
I agree. Strikes me as a strip/topless/nude club of some sort.

jessunlil
03-28-2010, 07:19 PM
The other photo with a man in the background.
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punklove
03-28-2010, 07:34 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/photogalleries/localnews2011323273/131.html

Could the third girl be this girl?
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/01661.jpg

RubyRed
03-28-2010, 07:45 PM
Could the third girl be this girl?
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/01661.jpg

I thought her face seemed rounder.

cutegirltoo
03-28-2010, 08:48 PM
I think that is Alcala in the background of both those pics.

punklove
03-28-2010, 09:24 PM
Is the girl with the blue string/necklace around her neck the same as what this girl is wearing?

http://i44.tinypic.com/e5p5rb.jpg

Billylee
03-28-2010, 09:39 PM
The other photo with a man in the background.
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In this picture behind the blond girl is a poster that says The Modern Jazz Quartet. Here's the info on that group:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Jazz_Quartet

It says the did a record in 1971 Paul Desmond with The Modern Jazz Quartet Live in New York. Can anyone make out that poster any better. Might even be able to find a vintage poster on the web like it. I'll give it look see.

Filly
04-03-2010, 08:47 PM
I know there are quite a few of these photographs of these young women. I'm posting one that gives us more background clues IMO anyway.

Could Alcala did his short stint in the Army in Germany? There were plenty of bases back then in Germany.

Again this is just what I am seeing, but I think this may be Munich in one of those cellar clubs that has striptease shows. However, I don't think these girls are dancing. Sadly it looks like they are just standing there to be oggled and maybe picked out? Think Bunny Ranch only ilegal.

In one of these club type pictures that's kind of out of focus I made out a man with dimples to the side of the dark haired woman. I'll have to go back and find it. Could it be Alcala himself? Would he dared have let someone else touch that camera?


http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00053.jpg

BTW, I do not believe this is the girl Alcala fixated on. I think we've all seen the girl with the ribbon/choker around her neck in this series of pictures.

Redbird
04-03-2010, 11:10 PM
Filly, I think you might be right. The ceiling sure looks like a cellar, doesn't it.

Billylee
04-03-2010, 11:32 PM
Behind these girls in one picture is a neon sign which says FIV***and what looks like an "L" at the end. I've gone through five star, five o'clock, five alive, five easy pieces, five alarm; what a I missing? I can't figure an English word(s) for this. Maybe that's because it's a foreign word. Fiv***L Anyone?

Filly
04-04-2010, 01:25 AM
Behind these girls in one picture is a neon sign which says FIV***and what looks like an "L" at the end. I've gone through five star, five o'clock, five alive, five easy pieces, five alarm; what a I missing? I can't figure an English word(s) for this. Maybe that's because it's a foreign word. Fiv***L Anyone?

Bless you BillyLee for trying. Once we get to looking we can't stop.

Hmmmmm, off the top of my head and that's if it's in German maybe Fubvolk? Could it be a "U" and not an "I"? That translates I think to something with the infantry? I'll have to pull up the photograph. I think it looked neon like maybe? That one, right?

Or maybe it says Finnland? Maybe promoting girls from Finnland? Maybe it's even the name of the underground club?

Redbird
04-08-2010, 09:32 PM
Look what I found! It seems there was a jazz club called the Five Spot in the Village during the sixties. Several of the nightclub girl's pictures show a poster in the background for a Jazz Quartet. There is also a watercolor looking drawing by somebody Thompson. I found info on the Five Spot at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Spot

and at http://www.5spotartifacts.com/index.php I found a picture of a painting by Bob Thompson for sale.

Filly
04-08-2010, 10:36 PM
Look what I found! It seems there was a jazz club called the Five Spot in the Village during the sixties. Several of the nightclub girl's pictures show a poster in the background for a Jazz Quartet. There is also a watercolor looking drawing by somebody Thompson. I found info on the Five Spot at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Spot

and at http://www.5spotartifacts.com/index.php I found a picture of a painting by Bob Thompson for sale.

Oh Lord my momma hung out there. No joke. She's a jazz "snob" we tease.

I was just thinking Thelonious Monk wasn't having no nuddies up there when he played. Bird? Maybe. Naw, I am kidding. This is a cool find, Redbird.

BTW, in the background of those club girls is a picture of it's a fable I can't think of the name? It's Philapino lore about some goddess in the sky. I'll post it although I doubt it will help.

Honestly i thought I saw in the background of some of the club girls phots German writing. German comics. The one sign we got with the "F" on it though appears to be Mexican colors.

Somebody out in this world has to know where that joint is......UNLESS Alcala set his own cellar club up.

Are we in NYC? Germany? The Philapines? Just don't tell me Charlie Mingus had nuddies around while he was creating!

Redbird
04-08-2010, 10:53 PM
The first link says The Five Spot Cafe was originally located at 5 Cooper Square, New York City then relocated to 2 St. Marks Place. I couldn't find when it closed. I'm pretty sure it's the same place because of the Bob Thompson print on the wall which was listed at the http://www.5spotartifacts.com/index.php as sold by the owner. Actually it is another print that was sold and there is a picture of it. Definitely the same artist. How it ended up with what looks like topless girls is still a mystery. I would like to research it some more, or maybe somebody else could help. There are five or six pictures taken there. They probably knew him.

Billylee
04-08-2010, 11:32 PM
Look what I found! It seems there was a jazz club called the Five Spot in the Village during the sixties. Several of the nightclub girl's pictures show a poster in the background for a Jazz Quartet. There is also a watercolor looking drawing by somebody Thompson. I found info on the Five Spot at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Spot

and at http://www.5spotartifacts.com/index.php I found a picture of a painting by Bob Thompson for sale.

The Jazz Quartet poster is for the "Modern Jazz Quartet", I linked it earlier on. Trying to date that one, I cannot find that particular poster, but lots of others are out there, they were very popular. Look it up on Wiki. :)

Redbird
04-09-2010, 11:55 AM
The original Five Spot was a neighborhood bar and had been in the Termini family for more than 25 years. It was not particularly a Bowery bar, for there are many such that cater almost exclusively to the thick tastes and thin pockets of the skid-row clientele. When the Termini sons, Joe and Iggy, came out of the Army, the father Termini gradually turned the place over to them. They in turn found themselves getting as customers more and more of the Village expatriates who had moved into the neighborhood. These included sculptor David Smart and painter Herman Cherry, both of whom hounded the management to put in some live entertainment -- specifically, some live jazz. The Terminis finally capitulated.

From Down Beat (February 13, 1964) by Martin Williams
A Night at the Five Spot

This is the only other thing I could find by googling on the Five Spot. This article does mention it had red walls.

Redbird
04-09-2010, 11:56 AM
I wasn't able to find out when the Termini brother closed. As best I can tell it is currently a soul food place that gets horrible reviews.

carbuff
04-09-2010, 04:24 PM
Great find, Redbird.

I found this album that was recorded there: http://jazzcrisis.wordpress.com/2009/03/04/eric-dolphy-at-the-five-spot-vol2-1961/

The stage with all the pictures and posters sure looks the same to me. I wonder if by the late 60's they tried to go modern or something.

Bargle
04-09-2010, 09:55 PM
A second album, also by Dolphy, recorded there.

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/3b6c9aad69a5ba7e4688d22594280342/o17501.jpg

Cupcakeslayer
04-12-2010, 04:57 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323358.jpg

are those windows (vents? something else?)at the top? supporting the basement idea? and above the "windows" whats that black boxy thing? looks like it could be a camera to me.

Donjeta
04-21-2010, 05:11 PM
http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53402562.jpg

The Thelonious Monk poster might be dateable.
Yet another girl:

http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53403091.jpg

He didn't keep this photo because it's good photography:
http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53403428.jpg

http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53403597.jpg

Donjeta
04-21-2010, 06:57 PM
What does the poster say? Reuben something. Kadeem? Kadesh?
http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53403774.jpg

jessunlil
04-21-2010, 08:08 PM
What does the poster say? Reuben something. Kadeem? Kadesh?


Donjeta, thank you for posting these photos here!

If I squint, it looks like the name on the poster is "Reuben Kadish".

Wikipedia has an entry for a Reuben Kadish:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuben_Kadish

Pink Panther
04-21-2010, 10:35 PM
There are a few more "new" pics of the girls in the club in the recent NYPD release (silly PR campaign)...Perhaps someone would like to spend an inordinate amount of time loading their pictures and posting them here?

Be warned...Whatever programs they used to issue their pics, it's an internet "neanderthal" experience...

MOO

Billylee
04-21-2010, 10:41 PM
Look what I found! It seems there was a jazz club called the Five Spot in the Village during the sixties. Several of the nightclub girl's pictures show a poster in the background for a Jazz Quartet. There is also a watercolor looking drawing by somebody Thompson. I found info on the Five Spot at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Spot

and at http://www.5spotartifacts.com/index.php I found a picture of a painting by Bob Thompson for sale.

Hey Redbird, just wanted to congratulate you on finding the Five Spot! Right on! Picture #157 here: http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-alcala-murders-pg,0,178235.photogallery

Redbird
04-21-2010, 10:56 PM
Hey Redbird, just wanted to congratulate you on finding the Five Spot! Right on! Picture #157 here: http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-alcala-murders-pg,0,178235.photogallery

:blushing: Thanks.

Filly
04-21-2010, 11:13 PM
Hey Redbird, just wanted to congratulate you on finding the Five Spot! Right on! Picture #157 here: http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-alcala-murders-pg,0,178235.photogallery

Ditto and double thanks from me Redbird. Look back at my post #22 I think it is and I was swearing this couldn't be the Five Spot.

Being raised up on Anita O'Day, Mingus, Monk, Miss Billie I never dreamed my mom was cavorting in a club with a pack of nude women. Then again she said she recalled like showgirls in pasties, but nothing more.

So, what the heck is going on here? It's like a cattle call. Are these ladies dancing, posing, modeling or what? They sure ain't Chet Baker. I'd truly like to know what was going on in there during or after hours.

Billylee
04-21-2010, 11:45 PM
Ditto and double thanks from me Redbird. Look back at my post #22 I think it is and I was swearing this couldn't be the Five Spot.

Being raised up on Anita O'Day, Mingus, Monk, Miss Billie I never dreamed my mom was cavorting in a club with a pack of nude women. Then again she said she recalled like showgirls in pasties, but nothing more.

So, what the heck is going on here? It's like a cattle call. Are these ladies dancing, posing, modeling or what? They sure ain't Chet Baker. I'd truly like to know what was going on in there during or after hours.

You just made me think of something I hadn't considered before. Could this have been a lingerie show? Maybe these gals aren't even nude, just dressed really scantily? Though from what I'm seeing now there are two males on stage with them in the new pics.

Filly
04-21-2010, 11:59 PM
You just made me think of something I hadn't considered before. Could this have been a lingerie show? Maybe these gals aren't even nude, just dressed really scantily? Though from what I'm seeing now there are two males on stage with them in the new pics.

YES. I saw one guy I think is Alcala, BillyLee.

I can't imagine chicks dancing around naked or stripping to Thelonius Monk. The man was a great visionary, but hey. There was no "Brick House" being played that's for sure.

Besides this creep being a murderer I kind of despise him for making a mockery of jazz da*n it all. Blues yeah maybe ya might get feeling it and take something off, but we're talking Charlie Parker for heavens sake.

Wait. Alot of jazz musicians had many, many women. Could this have been a free for all on who got picked? I'd ask my mom, but she'll just go into her jazz snobbery and remind me ow close she sat to Chet Baker.

Sorry, not helping identify anyone, but these new pictures got my goat. Especially the boy with the bike.

Special props to Donjeta for sharing them.

Cupcakeslayer
04-22-2010, 12:38 AM
http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53403091.jpg



three notes about this picture. 1- Im rather sure now that black box is a "security" camera of sorts, 2- whats on the left of the photo? long, straight? black hair?and thirdly as for the lingerie show seeing the girl on the right of this photo really made me think maybe... it looks like she might have something on (or is it a photo smudge?)However I find it odd that these girls dont even have and straps on if it were lingerie.

this "club" is so confusing! sounds absurd, and sorry for the brashness. but with how their all just standing there it makes me think of a "sex slave auction":blushing: but more realistically - maybe its a kinky sort of 'escort' club

reasypeasy
04-22-2010, 01:14 AM
If the girls appear more raunchy than was usual for that club then it might have been a private function, maybe outside of normal hours or in a private room? A bucks night maybe? Or maybe a farewell party for someone being deployed overseas? I wonder whether the girls are some of the regular entertainment who were willing to go a bit further when paid more, or whether they were hired specifically for the night because of how far they'd go. Convincing so many girls to get their kit off usually involves a price tag.

Cupcakeslayer
04-22-2010, 01:55 AM
http://www.mkmjazz.com/images/daoudharoon.jpg

if only i had found that picture a few days ago!Ive been google searching this place. doesnt seem like the type of club to have this sort of event. But this proves it was the place (even seeing the Five Spot didnt convince me I speculated that the sign may have been from when five spot remodeled and ditched old stuff)

jessunlil
04-22-2010, 02:38 AM
This site appears to be owned by the child of one of the owners/operators of the club.
http://www.5spotartifacts.com/

I wonder if LE has contacted this person about identifying the people in the photos or to confirm it is the location of the photos. Even if they have no direct knowledge of that time period, they might know someone who does.

Billylee
04-22-2010, 11:57 AM
three notes about this picture. 1- Im rather sure now that black box is a "security" camera of sorts, 2- whats on the left of the photo? long, straight? black hair?and thirdly as for the lingerie show seeing the girl on the right of this photo really made me think maybe... it looks like she might have something on (or is it a photo smudge?)However I find it odd that these girls dont even have and straps on if it were lingerie.

this "club" is so confusing! sounds absurd, and sorry for the brashness. but with how their all just standing there it makes me think of a "sex slave auction":blushing: but more realistically - maybe its a kinky sort of 'escort' club

Maybe I'm crazy, but that appears to be a long haired young man to me on the right in this picture. Note the adams apple.

Billylee
04-22-2010, 01:25 PM
http://www.mkmjazz.com/images/daoudharoon.jpg

if only i had found that picture a few days ago!Ive been google searching this place. doesnt seem like the type of club to have this sort of event. But this proves it was the place (even seeing the Five Spot didnt convince me I speculated that the sign may have been from when five spot remodeled and ditched old stuff)

Thought I'd post this with your old picture: http://tiny.cc/xnwpp

Redbird
04-22-2010, 01:39 PM
I've been wondering if it could be that this club went downhill in the late sixties and tried a little nudity to stay open. That's happened to clubs in North Beach, San Francisco.

Billylee
04-22-2010, 01:41 PM
What does the poster say? Reuben something. Kadeem? Kadesh?
http://www.wpix.com/media/photo/2010-04/53403774.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuben_Kadish

snipped from the article: I thought this was interesting:

Setting himself up in a small carriage house on East 9th Street, walking distance from Cooper, the new empire included a nasty basement where his etching press was set up. So Kadish, after a ten-year exile, returned to the then booming New York School scene that still championed Abstract Expressionist painting and largely ignored sculpture, except for the legendary likes of David Smith.

Apart from his teaching and art-making in the late 50s and 60s, Kadish also moonlighted as part-owner of the White Horse Tavern, the legendary Greenwich Village bar where the British poet Dylan Thomas died from alcohol poisoning in 1953.

Wonder what the poster is all about and why it's in a jazz club?

Redbird
04-22-2010, 01:53 PM
http://www.5spotartifacts.com/index.php

This is a website for the history of the club. It says the brothers allowed artists to trade their drawings, paintings for their bar tabs. Some fairly famous artists, sort of historical in itself. So at least some of the posters in the background are originals.

Cupcakeslayer
04-22-2010, 10:35 PM
do we thing that http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/01661.jpg is the same girl as the blonde with the choker? if so theres someone (seemingly) claiming to be her. She always interested me since she seemed to be focused on alot. http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/2-women-confirm-they-are-in-serial-killer-rodney-alcalas-photos/19450712
(this is just some recap from general discussion pgs 7&8)

and i do agree! i think the one with a shirt on is male!

Pink Panther
04-22-2010, 10:52 PM
do we thing that http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/01661.jpg is the same girl as the blonde with the choker? if so theres someone (seemingly) claiming to be her. She always interested me since she seemed to be focused on alot. http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/2-women-confirm-they-are-in-serial-killer-rodney-alcalas-photos/19450712
(this is just some recap from general discussion pgs 7&8)

and i do agree! i think the one with a shirt on is male!
I agree. That's quite the adam's apple she has! :angel:

ETA - I mean the one with the shirt on...

Billylee
04-22-2010, 11:10 PM
thinking more about this club, I really think this was some sort of a private party. Perhaps it was a bachelor party for someone, and I believe the girls are "working" for a living. I also do not think that the girl on the carpet with her hair fanned out is any of these girls. JMO, but the girl on the carpet looks waaaaay younger to me.

socalgal2
05-07-2010, 11:11 AM
Thought I'd post this with your old picture: http://tiny.cc/xnwpp

This pic gave me nightmares. So creepy and telling IMO. I believe she is also the person that is labeled "The Blond girl laying on the brown carpet":(

Imbackon
05-07-2010, 10:55 PM
This pic gave me nightmares. So creepy and telling IMO. I believe she is also the person that is labeled "The Blond girl laying on the brown carpet":(


You and someone else think she looks like the blond on the carpet.
There are only two problems with this however. Ms Cole that says she is alive most folks have narrowed down to being the blond on the carpet, the other problem is that the blond in the club and the blond on the carpet, have only blond hair in common imho.

socalgal2
05-08-2010, 12:43 AM
You and someone else think she looks like the blond on the carpet.
There are only two problems with this however. Ms Cole that says she is alive most folks have narrowed down to being the blond on the carpet, the other problem is that the blond in the club and the blond on the carpet, have only blond hair in common imho.

I just don't believe Ms. Cole is the photo they linked to her! The pic she supplied the media with from back in that time period looks nothing like the blond on the carpet. Cole has very distinctive eyelids and eyes. She does look like a woman that's in one photo with the green background, it's a side view of her face kind of. It's one photo that isn't the other woman that came forward that was in yellow and the green background. I think the media that linked that pic to Cole messed up. JMHO.

It may not even be the girl from the club in the pic. I can say, regardless, I don't have a good feeling about the girl in the clubs fate. :(

The way these photos were released and all that surrounds them is a big mess! It makes me so angry for anyone who is looking for answers.

Filly
05-08-2010, 04:59 AM
This pic gave me nightmares. So creepy and telling IMO. I believe she is also the person that is labeled "The Blond girl laying on the brown carpet":(



:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

What, what, what, what is up with that photograph?

Aside from the poor chick having to stand up there naked like that weather she needed the money or whatever (I'm broke but I would have given her money not to step foot in there). Aside from it now THAT guy something is terribly wrong.

Please don't anyone laugh at me, but I've noticed in some of these photographs some evil prescence. Hey, it may be shadows, BUT in alot of them the shadows fall in ways like somebody is covering someone's mouth. Thisone I mean come on. Does he have lipstick on? Licking his chops? And since I'm on an eye kick don't it look as if his eye socket is a black hole?

LE best find out who these missing persons are. That or give up more information and more photographs.

Redbird
05-08-2010, 10:20 AM
I don't believe Alcala had anything to do with the girls in the club except to take pictures of them. They must have been some kind of topless dancers (topless folk dancers, is there such a thing?). I doubt that they would have been naive enough to become his victim. To a lot of people he was and is really creepy looking.

socalgal2
05-08-2010, 06:45 PM
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

What, what, what, what is up with that photograph?

Aside from the poor chick having to stand up there naked like that weather she needed the money or whatever (I'm broke but I would have given her money not to step foot in there). Aside from it now THAT guy something is terribly wrong.

Please don't anyone laugh at me, but I've noticed in some of these photographs some evil prescence. Hey, it may be shadows, BUT in alot of them the shadows fall in ways like somebody is covering someone's mouth. Thisone I mean come on. Does he have lipstick on? Licking his chops? And since I'm on an eye kick don't it look as if his eye socket is a black hole?

LE best find out who these missing persons are. That or give up more information and more photographs.

I get the exact same feeling when I see pics with the &*&(*^& in them. Such evil. So many missed opportunities to put this psycho away:banghead:

He is a black hole IMHO! I feel just like you Filly! Give it up LE or get it done!:furious:

Filly
05-08-2010, 07:54 PM
I get the exact same feeling when I see pics with the &*&(*^& in them. Such evil. So many missed opportunities to put this psycho away:banghead:

He is a black hole IMHO! I feel just like you Filly! Give it up LE or get it done!:furious:

Well, thanks socalgal. Now I don't feel so all alone.

Meantime what is up? Will they EVER inform the general public of whome they've asked to help out?

BTW, don't the guy in this picture look like Doctor Franfurter in "Rocky Horror Picture Show?" I am meaning no disrespect, but he does. Is that Alcala?

socalgal2
05-09-2010, 05:25 AM
Well, thanks socalgal. Now I don't feel so all alone.

Meantime what is up? Will they EVER inform the general public of whome they've asked to help out?

BTW, don't the guy in this picture look like Doctor Franfurter in "Rocky Horror Picture Show?" I am meaning no disrespect, but he does. Is that Alcala?

Doctor Franfurter lol. It sure looks like Alcala and personally I always thought it was him ,in that photo and another one where he is creeping around in the background.:sick:

There are some other disturbing pics of the longer, dark wavy haired girl as well as one with the short haired curly hair girl. I'll link them tomorrow. Just like this creepy pic those other pics I'm refering to I think were posted on wpix. It's late and I have to get up and go to Mother's Day Brunch!

sophclown
05-09-2010, 04:11 PM
I found a picture of the club, The Five Spot and while looking at the posters on the wall of this picture
www.5spotartifacts.com/assests/memorabilia/clubpic.jpg (http://www.5spotartifacts.com/assests/memorabilia/clubpic.jpg)

As you look at the posters on the wall it is much the same of the Alcala photo's of the girls. Pay close attention to the Monk poster and the picture next to it. It is the same in both pictures.

Herding Cats
05-09-2010, 05:35 PM
If that's Alcala in the Dr. Frankfurter shots...(and I'm inclined to think it's him, the rat ba**ard)

WHO TOOK THE PHOTOS? And has LE interviewed him/her/them?

And add my name to the ones who think this is the same lady who's on the brown carpet...and who is not Ms. Cole. Ms. Cole had incredible cheekbones, and this lady does not have the same facial structure whatsoever. They've linked her with the wrong photo, if she's in one at all...

Of course, just my 2 cents/moo

Best-
Herding Cats

Filly
05-10-2010, 11:06 AM
Doctor Franfurter lol. It sure looks like Alcala and personally I always thought it was him ,in that photo and another one where he is creeping around in the background.:sick:

There are some other disturbing pics of the longer, dark wavy haired girl as well as one with the short haired curly hair girl. I'll link them tomorrow. Just like this creepy pic those other pics I'm refering to I think were posted on wpix. It's late and I have to get up and go to Mother's Day Brunch!

Of course this is no laughing matter. We all know this. However, best is I spelled Doctor Frankfurter wrong.

Yes he does seem to always be creeping somehwere around. Thus why he's a creeper.

Thanks, socal. Hope you enjoyed your Mom's Day brunch.

socalgal2
05-10-2010, 02:24 PM
Of course this is no laughing matter. We all know this. However, best is I spelled Doctor Frankfurter wrong.

Yes he does seem to always be creeping somehwere around. Thus why he's a creeper.

Thanks, socal. Hope you enjoyed your Mom's Day brunch.

I wasn't even thinking of it being spelled wrong, I had a vision that he IS a big Frankfurter monster!:croc:

Creepy, freaky, evil.....

Thanks Filly, I did enjoy my Brunch. Nice to get out and enjoy the family.

jessunlil
05-12-2010, 07:55 PM
Billylee posted this link in another thread:
http://www.squidoo.com/AndreaFeldman

and I thought Andrea Feldman looked a lot like this girl, from the club shots.
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/01031.jpg

Here's a side by side.
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg10/grumpybucket/Alcala/afcb01.jpg

reasypeasy
05-12-2010, 09:25 PM
Billylee posted this link in another thread:
http://www.squidoo.com/AndreaFeldman

and I thought Andrea Feldman looked a lot like this girl, from the club shots.
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/01031.jpg

Here's a side by side.
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg10/grumpybucket/Alcala/afcb01.jpg

It could very well be her. Here's a link with a photo of her performing at another nightclub... she looks much more emaciated and her hair is blonder.
http://www.warholstars.org/warhol/warhol1/andy/warhol/can/feld23.html
If it is her, then someone who knew her and remembers the era reasonably accurately could maybe help pin it down to a likely year, going by how she looks and the possible timeframes she may have seen Alcala during. Or maybe there are enough dated photos of her online to do so.

Filly
05-12-2010, 11:29 PM
It could very well be her. Here's a link with a photo of her performing at another nightclub... she looks much more emaciated and her hair is blonder.
http://www.warholstars.org/warhol/warhol1/andy/warhol/can/feld23.html
If it is her, then someone who knew her and remembers the era reasonably accurately could maybe help pin it down to a likely year, going by how she looks and the possible timeframes she may have seen Alcala during. Or maybe there are enough dated photos of her online to do so.

Someone I know was actually friends with Jim Carroll. Mr. Carroll recently passed. I can ask at least. This person is much younger than Mr. Carroll was so I doubt he would know.

I can give it a try though. That is if it is true that Jim Carroll was one of Andrea's beau's.

Cupcakeslayer
05-13-2010, 09:33 AM
I really think it could be Andrea. The girl seems to be the focus of the photos- and who wouldn't want photos of a rising star?
Somehow im just noticing there's 2 different blonds in the club! am i slow to noting this or has it been overlooked?
did andrea have a sister?

Billylee
05-13-2010, 02:24 PM
LOL,yep there are two blond women, one dark curly haired woman, a long-haired dark haired woman (possibly latino), a blond man and a creepy looking man who may be Alcala, but unsure.

I too, by the way, think she could be Andrea, perhaps before she bleached out and a bit younger?

punklove
05-14-2010, 01:45 AM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323812.jpg

Is this the same girl as above?
http://i41.tinypic.com/244upgg.jpg

brandi
05-14-2010, 11:42 AM
Nada punklove, the pic you posted is of someone else. The girl you posted is of dark skin....
I know this from another pic of her, she is thread "dark haired woman/bathing suit"

Vask
05-17-2010, 02:30 PM
Here's another pick of Andrea Feldman; more of a straight-on shot.

(Hope you don't mind me linking to this jessunlil)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg10/grumpybucket/Alcala/afcb01.jpg
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/45/l_a3d15a7c13d304126252f3cd6b73887b.jpg

carbuff
05-17-2010, 03:24 PM
The resemblance is pretty striking in those photos.

Billylee
05-17-2010, 04:03 PM
Even the way she seems to hold her chin out and up when she's on stage looks the same. I wonder if LE already has this info, I'm sure they'd have figured out the five spot club by now, don't you think? My guess is they have figured this out this is Andrea, I wish they'd remove the pictures that have been identified!!!!

RubyRed
05-30-2010, 02:47 PM
If they are not the same person, then she has a twin out there.

Gunner
05-30-2010, 07:03 PM
^^^I agree.

Billylee
05-31-2010, 12:49 PM
I think most all of us agree this could very well be Feldman. Question is should it be submitted? Do you think LE already knows this? Since know one is getting a response on the submissions that already have been made, I wonder if LE even wants to hear from the public any more?

Also, if this is Feldman, then, is the curly haired girl a friend of hers? Co-worker? Aspiring actress also?

Filly
05-31-2010, 02:16 PM
I think most all of us agree this could very well be Feldman. Question is should it be submitted? Do you think LE already knows this? Since know one is getting a response on the submissions that already have been made, I wonder if LE even wants to hear from the public any more?

Also, if this is Feldman, then, is the curly haired girl a friend of hers? Co-worker? Aspiring actress also?

Andrea Feldman commited suicide years ago. She jumped out a window or off a terrace or something.

Leee Black Childres is still very much alive. He knew Feldamn and hung out with her. I don't have a Facebook, but if someone does perhaps he'd be able to identify the other girls. I would just politely ask. I guess that would be protocol? This very well could have been Feldman but again she is no longer of this world.

Billylee
05-31-2010, 04:10 PM
Andrea Feldman commited suicide years ago. She jumped out a window or off a terrace or something.

Leee Black Childres is still very much alive. He knew Feldamn and hung out with her. I don't have a Facebook, but if someone does perhaps he'd be able to identify the other girls. I would just politely ask. I guess that would be protocol? This very well could have been Feldman but again she is no longer of this world.

I know that she committed suicide, I'm just pointing out the fact that it could be her.

LE put the pictures out so that the public could identify ]any[/B] of the people in the pictures, dead or alive doesn't matter. I'm sure they're trying to figure out who ALL the people in the pictures are, and if this is Feldman then they need to know that, (which they might by now anyway). Whether she's dead or alive is of no consequence, as it may lead them to the identity of the others. So my question is, do you all think that LE already knows that this may well be Andrea Feldman?

RubyRed
05-31-2010, 05:29 PM
I know that she committed suicide, I'm just pointing out the fact that it could be her.

LE put the pictures out so that the public could identify ]any[/B] of the people in the pictures, dead or alive doesn't matter. I'm sure they're trying to figure out who ALL the people in the pictures are, and if this is Feldman then they need to know that, (which they might by now anyway). Whether she's dead or alive is of no consequence, as it may lead them to the identity of the others. So my question is, do you all think that LE already knows that this may well be Andrea Feldman?

My thinking is if they knew it was her why did they release individual pics of her. There would be no point. If they identified her afterwards, they haven't said.

Billylee
05-31-2010, 05:53 PM
True, you'd think they would say, but then she could be one of the 21 they said they identified right off the bat. I do wish they'd release a list of which one's they've identified, or remove the dang pictures from their websites. That has to be causing them more trouble than not! On the other hand, if we keep submitting them then maybe they WILL FINALLY do that! lol

Pink Panther
06-01-2010, 04:45 PM
LE has handled this whole "release" abismally imo. They published a whole bunch of photographs without any information - waited for the public to respond and provided no other information. It's no wonder there's a dwindling public response!

I'm so disappointed by all of this. Particularly, the last individual who came forward publicly to state that she THOUGHT she could have been in one of the pictures...seems to have had the effect of haulting all scrutiny of who other's may be!

JMO

Filly
06-02-2010, 06:21 PM
I know that she committed suicide, I'm just pointing out the fact that it could be her.

LE put the pictures out so that the public could identify ]any[/B] of the people in the pictures, dead or alive doesn't matter. I'm sure they're trying to figure out who ALL the people in the pictures are, and if this is Feldman then they need to know that, (which they might by now anyway). Whether she's dead or alive is of no consequence, as it may lead them to the identity of the others. So my question is, do you all think that LE already knows that this may well be Andrea Feldman?

O.K. so is that a no or yes in regards to asking Mr. Childres or anyone still living (there's quite a few of them) that hung out with Ms. Feldman? Some of the folks who were the Warhol "stars" are still out there performing and have social networks.

I just was not sure if that would be too forward to message them and go "Ummmm, is this Andrea Feldman and if so do you know these other chicks?"

Billylee
06-02-2010, 07:39 PM
O.K. so is that a no or yes in regards to asking Mr. Childres or anyone still living (there's quite a few of them) that hung out with Ms. Feldman? Some of the folks who were the Warhol "stars" are still out there performing and have social networks.

I just was not sure if that would be too forward to message them and go "Ummmm, is this Andrea Feldman and if so do you know these other chicks?"

If I knew of someone who might know these people I'd email them. Why not? Perhaps, they've never seen this pictures, and perhaps they'd like to call LE if the can ID someone.

Filly
06-04-2010, 04:20 AM
If I knew of someone who might know these people I'd email them. Why not? Perhaps, they've never seen this pictures, and perhaps they'd like to call LE if the can ID someone.

Thanks BL. I was thinking more on the lines of Facebook. Mr. Childers does have one. I don't have a FB, but asked a friend to message him. Apparently he does not have the message feature.

On the other hand he does have a Myspace of which I don't have one any long. If anyone is brave enough who does have a Myspace maybe we could do so. Again I am not sure that's protocal though. On an aside he's got some extremely cool pictures on his Mysapce. They are public so one can see them without having a Myspace.

Billylee
06-05-2010, 12:47 AM
Filly, I now nothing about Lee Childers, can you tell me why he would know or be involved with Andrea? Or point me to the correct link that would give me that information?

Filly
06-05-2010, 03:23 PM
Filly, I now nothing about Lee Childers, can you tell me why he would know or be involved with Andrea? Or point me to the correct link that would give me that information?

Sure Billylee. Vask in Post #70 posted a photograph of Leee and Andrea together.

He was one of the Warhol gang. He's an artist. Photographer. He knew alot of famous people including Iggy Pop. I barely recall doing some researching on him before computers were available to me as I liked his work. This was when I was reading about Edie Sedgwick. (sp)

His name is Childers. I made a typo some posts up.

Here's his Myspace.




http://www.myspace.com/leeechilders

Donjeta
06-05-2010, 07:11 PM
I know we haven't seen all of Alcala's pictures but if the girl at the club is really Andrea Feldman, somebody famous, it might explain why there are so many photos of her and why Alcala kept them although the qualityof the photos is mostly dreadful. (Well, ok, topless might have something to do with it as well.)

Billylee
06-06-2010, 12:52 PM
I think perhaps we should just pass the info on to LE, if they have it, they have it, if not they could use it. Someone needs to send an email to either the Huntington Beach PD or the NY PD, just saying that we think it's Andrea Feldman in those pictures. (Which, if she's as famous as people say, they may already know.)

alknon
06-30-2010, 06:21 PM
That looks like Kathryn Marie Rahe Gregory who went missing in 1981
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323812.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323813.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323814.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323815.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323816.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323818.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323830.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2010/03/11/2011323831.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/photogalleries/localnews2011323273/131.html

Billylee
07-06-2010, 03:05 PM
She does resemble the girl in the picture, but Alcala was in prison in 1981 and these pictures were found in a storage locker in 1979.

This night club (the five spot) was in NYC, the pictures are most likely from the period that Alcala was living in the area, which was 68-71. Kathryn was born in 1957, she would have been too young to be this girl.

celiyah
08-17-2010, 04:56 AM
I thought it would be helpfull to create a facebook group so we can invite people who might be able to identify the subjects in the pictures.

i just went on facebook and the biggest group contains 4 people (it's in another language ) .It looks like a small portion of the population knows about these pictures or maybe it's just me .

i could create a group and you could all join in to spread the word out there.

p.s sorry if i made mistakes while writing or if my sentences don't make sense i usually speak french.

mom2six
08-17-2010, 01:36 PM
The identified location just seems odd to have topless dancers. Could it be these women were actually in tube tops which were quite popular in the 70s? I think it is possible he just took the photos in a way that made them appear to be topless.

RubyRed
09-12-2010, 08:03 PM
I think perhaps we should just pass the info on to LE, if they have it, they have it, if not they could use it. Someone needs to send an email to either the Huntington Beach PD or the NY PD, just saying that we think it's Andrea Feldman in those pictures. (Which, if she's as famous as people say, they may already know.)

What became of this because she sure does look like Andrea?

michelle1997
09-23-2010, 04:46 PM
I was just on the thread "The Girl With Yellow Shorts" and saw that someone posted that the girl in yellow shorts looked like Andrea Feldman. When I looked at a photo of Andrea I knew I had seen her photo before, not as the girl in yellow shorts, but in the two Alcala photos of the girl in the club. It looks so much like her. Did someone end up contacting LE?

arielilane
10-01-2010, 09:42 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l44jntg0dP1qb8fb2o1_400.jpg

arielilane
10-01-2010, 09:43 PM
They both held their head and chin the same way. However, Andrea's hair was thicker and blonder.

arielilane
10-03-2010, 07:51 PM
It would be most welcomed for LE to remove the photos of who are known to be alive.

I think Andrea Feldman looks similar to the girl in the photo. However, Andrea is deceased, so why continue trying to figure it out.

lisaz
10-05-2010, 09:10 PM
I Facebook messaged Mr. Childers and gave him a link to this post.
I will let you know if I hear back from him.

carbuff
10-05-2010, 09:34 PM
It would be most welcomed for LE to remove the photos of who are known to be alive.

I think Andrea Feldman looks similar to the girl in the photo. However, Andrea is deceased, so why continue trying to figure it out.

Because if the woman in the photos is Andrea, then it isn't some other unidentified woman murdered by Alcala.

lisaz
10-05-2010, 09:43 PM
I agree that there should be a site b LE that has the photos of people that have been identified on it, or the current pages should post "identified" (no other info needed).
It could be, though, that they are trying to make 100% sure that these people claiming to be in the photos are who the picture is.
Let's face it, some people confess to being murderers due to mental illness or even a want of 15 minutes of fame.
As sad as it is I can see someone claiming to have been photographed just to get their time on talk shows and have all that attention.
In certain cases where they KNOW who the person is, the photos should be marked in some way.


Just my thoughts on that.

lisaz
10-05-2010, 11:45 PM
Lee Childers October 5 at 10:24pm

I would be glad to help you identify the people in the picture IF I could see the picture!! I went to your link and saw a lot of comments, and even found out that I am "very much alive," but no picture that I can find. This could be my fault, I am not a whiz in the computer maze. Help me and I'll help you. Best Wishes, Leee.

I have thanked him and sent him direct links to a few of the photos that I uploaded to my photobucket.

lisaz
10-06-2010, 08:28 PM
His message to me:

"Lee Childers October 6 at 8:52am

Yes, Darling, they are all Andrea Feldman including the last one with me (photo by Gerard Malanga). In the second photo, the girl with dark hair looks like she could be a very young Michelle Robinson, Sid Vicious' last girlfriend, but I'm not sure. I'll pass it on for confirmation. XX, L."


Who do we let know so that LE can move on to others?

lisaz
10-06-2010, 10:13 PM
It does look like the other girl might be Michelle Robinson

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa365/lisa16968/serial%20killers/michellerobinson.jpg

jessunlil
10-11-2010, 11:37 AM
Wow, you guys have done some incredible work!

My laptop died & then I got knocked on my butt with health issues so I was unable to keep up with this forum for several months. Slowly coming back & so glad to see that WS is still working on identifying these women!

You all rock!

carbuff
10-11-2010, 12:16 PM
His message to me:

"Lee Childers October 6 at 8:52am

Yes, Darling, they are all Andrea Feldman including the last one with me (photo by Gerard Malanga). In the second photo, the girl with dark hair looks like she could be a very young Michelle Robinson, Sid Vicious' last girlfriend, but I'm not sure. I'll pass it on for confirmation. XX, L."


Who do we let know so that LE can move on to others?

Wow, that's great news! I thought the dark-haired girl looked like somebody whose photo I had seen before; if she's not Michelle she sure looks like her.

starjasmn
10-28-2010, 07:04 AM
That looks like Kathryn Marie Rahe Gregory who went missing in 1981

Although I'll grant you that there is some resemblance, I assure you that the woman in that photograph is not Kathy.

Terri Rahe Sidrow
Kathy's sister

Truman
11-23-2010, 07:46 PM
http://www.mkmjazz.com/images/daoudharoon.jpg

if only i had found that picture a few days ago!Ive been google searching this place. doesnt seem like the type of club to have this sort of event. But this proves it was the place (even seeing the Five Spot didnt convince me I speculated that the sign may have been from when five spot remodeled and ditched old stuff)

I'm a little late, but Cupcakeslayer, I just cannot get over that photo with the "Five Spot" sign in the background. Great find.
Edited to add: Just finished the entire thread, incredible work, all! I'm wondering now that some time has passed if anyone passed this on to LE?
Edited AGAIN to add: lisaz, I'm so glad you emailed Mr. Childers. Great work! Also wanted to add a link to a different photo of Michelle Robinson - she does resemble the short-haired lady in the club, very distinctive nose.
http://www.whosdatedwho.com/couples/photos/sid-vicious-and-michelle-robinson.htm

norest4thewicked
06-08-2011, 07:05 PM
**UPDATE** The girl with the dark leather choker has been identified by LE as being alive. No other info or name.

CBS News Gallery No. 61 (http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-18559_162-10004959-61.html?tag=page)

mysterymom7
09-07-2012, 08:40 AM
**UPDATE** The girl with the dark leather choker has been identified by LE as being alive. No other info or name.

CBS News Gallery No. 61 (http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-18559_162-10004959-61.html?tag=page)

What about the other girls in the club? Have they been identified?

mysterymom7
09-07-2012, 09:52 AM
**UPDATE** The girl with the dark leather choker has been identified by LE as being alive. No other info or name.

CBS News Gallery No. 61 (http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-18559_162-10004959-61.html?tag=page)

Was the other girl positively identified as Andrea Feldman? If so, she committed suicide Aug 1972. In 1972, the club Five Spot had been moved to a different address in 1962. There's more info on the location at this link: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Mark's_Place_(Manhattan)

norest4thewicked
09-07-2012, 10:55 AM
Mysterymom - As far as I know, none of the others have been identified.