Deceased/Not Found Australia - Cheryl Grimmer, 3, Fairy Meadow Beach, NSW, 12 Jan 1970

[symbah]

My family lived next door to Alfred Jessop at Lawson when he murdered little Vicki Barton.
He used to write some very strange letters to my sisters that were only young girls at the time. Absolutely nothing would surprise me with this creep, he rides around with a flipping cart on his bike just like he used to carry Vicki's body in.
Our family and other locals have always said we will read about him again one day, he's a ticking time bomb.....
RIP little Cheryl x

Oh Kyja

When I was a little girl we had a holiday house at Hazelbrook in the Blue Mountains that we used to go to all the time. When Vicki went missing and later found, my sisters and I were forever scared. Everything changed.

 

[Kyja]

Did you ever see his handwriting and if so how did it compare to the anonymous letter about Cheryl? Copy pictured here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Father-accused-murdering-Cheryl-Grimmer.html

No I didn't, after the first letter my dad always intercepted the rest and chucked them away. He always denied it was him but my sisters knew it was him. This all happened before I was born...

 

[Kyja]

Oh Kyja

When I was a little girl we had a holiday house at Hazelbrook in the Blue Mountains that we used to go to all the time. When Vicki went missing and later found, my sisters and I were forever scared. Everything changed.

Yes it completely changed the blue mountains and the poor little girls that found her were around Vicki's age too
My family will never, ever forget Alfred Jessop or what he did. We are still local and my kids have often played at the oval where he took her, makes me so sad, she was just a baby:tears:

 

[symbah]

I'll just say this, 47 years is a very long time. Detectives have said the details of Cheryl's murder are horrific.

I live on a property running sheep. If a dog here attacks or kills a sheep it's forever blooded. It can't be around sheep anymore, no ifs or buts. It will do it again.

I can't help but think this.

 

[Seabreeze1]

I would imagine that the name suppression has been granted to protect his family and maybe other victims from stress? It could also be a mental health thing. E.g if his name was leaked and he couldn't cope and committed suicide or could be certified as not mentally fit to stand trial then that would damage the whole case.IMO.

 

[MissUnderstood]

Do we know if he was in the boys home at the time he took Cheryl? I've read that he told other kids about the murder 18 months later, but was he there that whole time? Wonder if he was put in the boys home some time after Cheryl went missing for some other crime? Moo


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[JLZ]

Do we know if he was in the boys home at the time he took Cheryl? I've read that he told other kids about the murder 18 months later, but was he there that whole time? Wonder if he was put in the boys home some time after Cheryl went missing for some other crime? Moo


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I read in one of the articles over the past few days that the boy was absent from the home during the time of the abduction. So he must have been living there.

 

[1968]

What's the deal with witness in this article Peter Goodyear (described as a "hostel resident" ) who described a man of southern European appearance grabbing a child and making off with her in a car.
In light of the recent arrest his story appears rather strange. It was very detailed. Hmmm. Thinking.

https://forgottenillawarra.wordpress.com/2014/01/28/the-disappearance-of-cheryl-grimmer/amp/


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[1968]

Possibly at the time his account was taken as being reliable, causing police to discount other 'tales' that would subsequently be told. I have found a picture of him. He was an adult, and his story may have contradicted the story told at the time by the young boys ....


http://consumer.fairfaxsyndication.com/archive/Peter-Goodyear-is-interviewed-by-2F3XC5F3NI_M.html

'It is uncertain whether Cheryl was alive when Mr. Goodyear saw her, as there was a lag between this and the boys seeing her grabbed.'

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/for...1/28/the-disappearance-of-cheryl-grimmer/amp/

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[symbah]

Do we know if he was in the boys home at the time he took Cheryl? I've read that he told other kids about the murder 18 months later, but was he there that whole time? Wonder if he was put in the boys home some time after Cheryl went missing for some other crime? Moo


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He was seen running towards bushland from the area where Cheryl vanished.
He was described by police as caucasian, aged between 16 and 17, about 152cm tall with a medium build, brown hair, blue eyes and fair complexion.
The suspect was missed on the day and though they would not reveal many details, investigators are 'confident [they] are on the right track'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vestigation-boys-detention.html#ixzz4WHOEOKHt

You're post got me thinking Miss Understood.

I can only find in msm that the suspect was missed on the day. I can't find anywhere in msm stating that the suspect was missed from Mt Penang on the day.

Could this mean that the suspect was missed from the investigation on the day?

Because he's British, I'd hate to think he was a resident of the hostel Cheryl and her family were staying at the time.

He may of ended up, as you said, at Mt Penang some time after Cheryl went missing.

 

[1968]

Described as 152 cm tall - a very definite height given. IMO they must have already known who it was they were trying to place at Fairy Meadow that day.


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[JLZ]

He was seen running towards bushland from the area where Cheryl vanished.
He was described by police as caucasian, aged between 16 and 17, about 152cm tall with a medium build, brown hair, blue eyes and fair complexion.
The suspect was missed on the day and though they would not reveal many details, investigators are 'confident [they] are on the right track'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vestigation-boys-detention.html#ixzz4WHOEOKHt

You're post got me thinking Miss Understood.

I can only find in msm that the suspect was missed on the day. I can't find anywhere in msm stating that the suspect was missed from Mt Penang on the day.

Could this mean that the suspect was missed from the investigation on the day?

Because he's British, I'd hate to think he was a resident of the hostel Cheryl and her family were staying at the time.

He may of ended up, as you said, at Mt Penang some time after Cheryl went missing.

I've also started thinking about the immigrant hostel. <DELETED>

 

[symbah]

I've also started thinking about the immigrant hostel. But do we know that the suspect was British? I think I've only read that Jessop had "British heritage", which is not necessarily the same as being British, and more importantly we're not sure that Jessop is the suspect.

If anyone has Ancestry.com access, it might be interesting to try to check immigration records as to whether Jessop arrived from Britain around the same time as the Grimmers.

BBM

The man allegedly spoke about the crime 18 months after it happened while a teenager at Mount Penang Training School - a home for troubled teenage boys.
The accused murderer, who is of British heritage, allegedly spoke about the girl's abduction to detectives investigating the case at the time but was not charged.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...case-murder-Cheryl-Grimmer.html#ixzz4cOIHONZu
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[JLZ]

BBM

The man allegedly spoke about the crime 18 months after it happened while a teenager at Mount Penang Training School - a home for troubled teenage boys.
The accused murderer, who is of British heritage, allegedly spoke about the girl's abduction to detectives investigating the case at the time but was not charged.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...case-murder-Cheryl-Grimmer.html#ixzz4cOIHONZu
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Yep, just realized I'm wrong. Other way about. Sorry.

 

[JLZ]

Described as 152 cm tall - a very definite height given. IMO they must have already known who it was they were trying to place at Fairy Meadow that day.


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Most likely the description was given in feet and inches. 5 foot is 152.4cm. So, probably not such a precise estimation as it sounds in metric.

 

[symbah]

I've also seen it reported various times that he was 180cm.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/cheryl-gr...der-of-illawarra-toddler-20170322-gv4aij.html

He was described as being 16 or 17 at the time, 180 centimetres tall, with fair skin, a medium build, brown hair and blue eyes.
"He was seen here in the morning and the afternoon," Detective Inspector Ainsworth said.

 

[JLZ]

I'm having trouble visualizing the locations so I looked for some maps. These two show the location of the Balgownie/Fairy Meadow hostel and are from here: http://www.mhpillawarra.com/docs/places_accommodation_essay.pdf, "First accommodation for Migrants arriving in Wollongong post World War 2". The photograph of the Surf Club is from here: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/cheryl-gr...der-of-illawarra-toddler-20170322-gv4aij.html



The linked essay says that in 1961 the Balgownie/Fairy Meadow hostel had accommodation for 1900 people. It also said that length of stay at the hostels varied from a few days to a few years, with stays from 3 to 6 months being common.

 

[symbah]

I'm having trouble visualizing the locations so I looked for some maps. These two show the location of the Balgownie/Fairy Meadow hostel and are from here: http://www.mhpillawarra.com/docs/places_accommodation_essay.pdf, "First accommodation for Migrants arriving in Wollongong post World War 2". The photograph of the Surf Club is from here: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/cheryl-gr...der-of-illawarra-toddler-20170322-gv4aij.html

The linked essay says that in 1961 the Balgownie/Fairy Meadow hostel had accommodation for 1900 people. It also said that length of stay at the hostels varied from a few days to a few years, with stays from 3 to 6 months being common.

That essay is so interesting, thanks JLZ.

Just trying to get my head around how far away Balgownie would be from the Fairy Meadow Surf Club.
From maps I think its roughly 3km.
Just wonder how he got Cheryl there?
Or am I way off with the locations?

Edit to add - I'm confusing myself!

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/...econd-emotional-toll-of-wollongong-cold-case/
Court documents allege the man murdered the three-year-old girl sometime between 2.30pm and 4.30pm at Balgownie on the day she disappeared.

 

[JLZ]

That essay is so interesting, thanks JLZ.

Just trying to get my head around how far away Balgownie would be from the Fairy Meadow Surf Club.
From maps I think its roughly 3km.
Just wonder how he got Cheryl there?
Or am I way off with the locations?

Edit to add - I'm confusing myself!

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/...econd-emotional-toll-of-wollongong-cold-case/
Court documents allege the man murdered the three-year-old girl sometime between 2.30pm and 4.30pm at Balgownie on the day she disappeared.

I think a much shorter distance--less than a kilometre. The hostel appears to be between Squires Way and Montague Street, partly adjoining Bourke Street.

It seems from the NRMA map that Balgownie was a general locality name, not just the name of the hostel.

 

[symbah]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/c655078ce189c0c0d27c247ee7c49fbd

&#8220;We were trying to ascertain from inmates or former staff members there in 1971 the daily routine and if they were allowed weekend release,&#8221; he said.
&#8220;It&#8217;s a bit unusual, but anybody who was there in the period from about January to April 1971 &#8212; we&#8217;re not seeking anyone in particular just information about the daily running (of the centre*)*.&#8221;

BBM