AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County,

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Boxer said:
Yes. MOO murderers are mentally ill. The only thing the law is interested in regarding MH is whether the person can understand their actions.
Any type of planning or attempt to cover up the act shows understanding.

After arrest Lori Vallow was comitted to a criminal mental health hospital for "restoration" in 6 month stints.
This was to ensure she understood the charges and could participate in her defense.
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So from what you say there needs to be proof that she planned and covered up ...... I can't think of the specific acts involved with this but they are there.
 
indicolite22 said:
Lori's brother and uncle had a guest on their recent podcast episode, a woman from Lori's ward in Gilbert. Apparently Tylee told her best friend that Lori was losing it and that she called Tylee a zombie. Tylee was especially unhappy about having to move to Idaho.
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I have a hard time with those podcasts, but I love reading/hearing tidbits like this.


MOO
 
Cool Cats said:
So from what you say there needs to be proof that she planned and covered up ...... I can't think of the specific acts involved with this but they are there.
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MOO Planning is in the prepatory arrangements with her brother zombie talk with Chad.

Covering up, well one peoce of evidence is the video of Chad and Lori putting the kids possessions in a storage unit.
 
Cool Cats said:
So from what you say there needs to be proof that she planned and covered up ...... I can't think of the specific acts involved with this but they are there.
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Lori's lies, such as to LE, such in Rexburgduring the wellness check, are clearly documented examples of her understanding well the laws she broke. She lied to not be detected. Even if she believed she was doing god's work, and I'm inclined to think she did believe that, she showed clear evidence of knowing human law. no matter how deluded she was, she knew murder was not acceptable in this realm, she knew she was in this realm, and she demonstrated that knowledge by lying and covering up her illegal actions.

MOO
 
Chad spun himself up a Morman offshoot cult starring himself as the leader.
And with the absolute power of a cult leader influenced a mistress he collected and her brother to kill her ex husband, then Chad and the brother killed mistress's children with her assistance and finally Chad killed his own wife.
 
Ruminations said:
Lori's lies, such as to LE, such in Rexburgduring the wellness check, are clearly documented examples of her understanding well the laws she broke. She lied to not be detected. Even if she believed she was doing god's work, and I'm inclined to think she did believe that, she showed clear evidence of knowing human law. no matter how deluded she was, she knew murder was not acceptable in this realm, she knew she was in this realm, and she demonstrated that knowledge by lying and covering up her illegal actions.

MOO
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And let’s not forget her words to the others as she pounded her hands on the counter and declared, “Doesn’t count for me” because as an exalted being she was not accountable for deeds in this life.

Mentally ill? ABSOLUTELY! But believing you are above the law doesn’t make it so or mean you are not responsible. I believe she is crazy like Charles Manson crazy and equally as dangerous.
 
Love Never Fails said:
That’s smart of him. He knows Chad needs a DP qualified team. Utah will foot the bill. I hope CD doesn’t get a lighter sentence.
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He does not need a DP qualified lawyer via private counsel, so JP could stay on...Guess the $ ran out.

Once he can't afford to pay his lawyer, obviously that changes. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see JP stay on counsel with a state provided DP lawyer. Just my take
 
Caylee Advocate said:
Prior knew for a year that Chad had no funds to pay him, yet he stayed on the case. At minimum he should have to remain on the case and perhaps be compensated at a public defenders rate. I call BS!

Another BS delay. MOO :mad:


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Chad Daybell's attorney wants off the case, citing client's inability to pay

Chad Daybell's attorney, John Prior, has filed a motion with the court requesting to be removed from the case.Prior has been Chad Daybell's attorney since May
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JP has the house. I'd imagine that was well negotiated. My guess is that CD will be declared indigent, and at that point a DP qualified must be there, and I wouldn't be surprised to see JP in there as well. All at the expense of of the state.
 
aafromaa said:
So let me see if I’m following all this….
1) CD hired JP in May 2021 with his own funds - presumedly whatever was left over of the insurance money as well as his interest in the family home
2) the state, announces their intent to seek the death penalty in August 2021 but JP stays on the case as sole attorney
3) CD was declared indigent in January 2023 - in large part because JP had taken all his remaining funds and his home as payment
4) JP could have requested a death penalty qualified attorney be appointed at that time to be paid for by the state but chose to try to find one on his own and get him qualified and then paid for by the state - only that hasn’t worked out
5) the court was under no obligation to appoint death penalty, qualified attorney at that time because CD was already represented by counsel he retained with his own funds. And apparently JP could represent CD in a death penalty case without being death penalty qualified as long as he was paid by CD and not requesting payment from the state for his indigent client.
6) Had JP requested to be removed from the case a year ago or asked the court to appoint a state funded death penalty qualified attorney to assist him at that time they would be ready to proceed to trial as scheduled in April.
7) now, after failing in his attempt to have the death penalty removed, he wants completely off the case and new state appointed attorneys to have to start all over

if my understanding of the above is accurate, I do not believe the court will have any choice, but to appoint to death penalty, qualified attorneys as soon as possible. However I do not think JP should be allowed to withdraw from the case, but should remain on the defense team, not as the lead attorney any longer, but to assist a new counsel with his knowledge of the case to date. I don’t know if there are any legal grounds for forcing him to stay on the case but I believe he is manipulating the entire situation And that it would be wrong to allow him to walk away at this point. But I also think this motion and the timing of this motion demonstrate that he is exactly the kind of lawyer I have always thought he was. He’s given me the creeps all along.
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I think if declared indigent, at that point the state will have to implement DP qualified lawyers. However, I'd be surprised if JP isn't on the team...all funded by the state. Just my take.
 
aafromaa said:
And let’s not forget her words to the others as she pounded her hands on the counter and declared, “Doesn’t count for me” because as an exalted being she was not accountable for deeds in this life.

Mentally ill? ABSOLUTELY! But believing you are above the law doesn’t make it so or mean you are not responsible. I believe she is crazy like Charles Manson crazy and equally as dangerous.
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I’m not sure. There is a difference. Between being crazy and stupidly gullible. She reminds me of all the people I met walking on hot coals, sweating in teepees, sleeping under pyramids, digging underground shelters, seeing auras talking in tongues, etc etc. Not nuts. Just not too bright.
 
To lazy to look back & see if this has been posted yet... :)
Docket update:

[both cases}
Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
1/17/2024 016 - ME: Ext/Time/Filing Granted - Party (001) 1/17/2024

1/11/2024 RGJ – Request for Extension of Time to Challenge Grand Jury Proceedings - Party (001) 1/16/2024
NOTE: REQUEST FOR EXTENSION OF TIME TO CHALLENGE THE GRAND JURY PROCEEDINGS

1/4/2024 590 - ME: Complex Case Order - Party (001) 1/4/2024

[for only Brandon's case]
1/3/2024 ORD - Order - Party (001) 1/12/2024
NOTE: THIS MATTER BE DESIGNATED COMPLEX, PURSUANT TO RULE 8.2 (A) (3) OF THE ARIZONA RULES OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE, AND IN COMPLIANCE MARICOPA COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER 2021-127. A NEW LAST DAY SHALL BE CALCULATED ACCORDINGLY.

[both cases]
Case Calendar
Date Time Event
1/18/2024 8:15 Initial Pretrial Conference

2/21/2024 8:31 Comprehensive PreTrial Conference
2/21/2024 8:31 Complex / Capital Case

3/28/2024 8:30 Pre-Trial Conference

4/4/2024 9:00 Trial-vacated

7/25/2024 8:30 Pre-Trial Conference

8/1/2024 9:00 Trial


link: Criminal Court Case Information - Case History
 
Thursday, January 18th:
*Initial Pretrial Hearing (@ 8:15am MST) - AZ – Charles Vallow (62) shot & killed on July 11, 2019 in Chandler, AZ. *Lori Norene Vallow (46/now 50) indicted (6/24/21), charged (10/2/19) & arraigned (12/7/23) with 1 count of 1st degree murder. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
AZ – Brandon Boudreaux () attempted murder on Oct. 2, 2019 in Gilbert, AZ. *Lori Norene Vallow (46/now 50) indicted (2/24/22), charged & arraigned (12/7/23) with 1 count of 1st degree murder premediated. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
Trial was set to begin on 4/4/24 continued on 8/1/24 for both cases.
Judge Monica S. Garfinkel. DA Treena Klay. Defense attorney Keith Terry.
Case info from 2/24/22 thru 12/1/23 reference post #130 here:
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12/4/23 Update: Arraignment hearing on 12/7/23. Vallow’s appointed public defender is Keith Terry. Initial pretrial conference on 1/18/24 @ 8:15am, Comprehensive pretrial conference hearing on 2/21/24 @ 8:30am, pretrial conference hearing on 3/28/24 @ 8:30am & trial is set to begin on 4/4/24 @ 9am, but that can change. 12/3/23 Update: State's motion for protective Order. 12/4/23 Update: States motion for protective Order with exhibits. 12/7/23 Update: Release Order-No Bond.
12/7/23 Update: Judge read her case details. Vallow entered a not guilty plea on both 1st degree murder charges & a pretrial conference hearing is set on 1/18/24. DA Treena Kay said these cases are both 1st degree murder cases, that are complex cases & wants the trial date of 4/4/24 amended. Judge will leave dates as they are now & ask state to file a motion.
12/20/23 Update: On 12/7/23 Judge grants State's motion for protective order on evidence like digital media, recordings, documents but prosecution & defense can discuss/disseminate the materials between legal teams, witnesses & experts.
12/22/23 Update: State's Motion for Complex Case designation in both cases. Citing 1st degree murder charges, out of state witnesses, trial clashing w/Daybell's April, 2024 trial & 20 terebytes of evidence. Victim Brandon Boudreaux will testify in both Idaho & Arizona. Having both trials at the same time also effects statutory victims Kay & Larry Woodcock. Expect trial to be moved to a much later date. Rules of Complex cases means Vallow much be trial within 270 days of her arraignment which would be before 9/2/24. Assigned to the Honorable Monica S. Garfinkel, Div. CMC06.
1/3/24 Update: Per court site trial on 4/4/24 has been cancelled & rescheduled on 8/1/24. The Comprehensive pretrial conference will now be a Complex/Capital Case hearing on 2/21/24, pretrial conference hearing on 3/28/24 & a pretrial hearing on 7/25/24 @ 8:30am.
1/3/24 Update: Complex Case Order filed. It is Ordered granting the State's Motion for Complex Case Designation for the following reasons: Nature of charges. It is further Ordered vacating the Comprehensive pretrial conference on 2/21/24 resetting the matter as a Complex Case scheduling conference on 2/21/24 @ 8:30am before Judge Beresky. At the scheduling conference, the Court will set a case management conference schedule. It will be presumptively set every 45 to 60 days, or more or less frequently as circumstances dictate. April trial date has been vacated.
1/3/24 Update: Brandon: Order. This matter be designated complex, pursuant to Rule 8.2 ()(3) of the Arizona rules of criminal procedure & in compliance Maricopa County Superior Court administrative Order. A new last day shall be calculated accordingly.
1/4/24 Update: Both cases: Complex Case Order. 1/11/24: Request for extension of time to challenge Grand Jury proceedings. 1/17/24: Motion for extension/time/filing-granted.
ID – Vallow found guilty of all charges & sentenced to 3 consecutive life sentences without parole on 7/31/23.
 
Case #CR2021-001704-001

Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
1/19/2024 194 : Me: Initial Pretrial Conference - Party (001) 1/19/2024

1/18/2024 022 - ME: Order Signed - Party (001) 1/18/2024

1/18/2024 022 - ME: Order Signed - Party (001) 1/18/2024

1/17/2024 016 - ME: Ext/Time/Filing Granted - Party (001) 1/17/2024

1/16/2024 STA - Statement - Party (001) 1/18/2024
NOTE: INITIAL PRETRIAL CONFERENCE STATEMENT

1/16/2024 NOT - Notice - Party (001) 1/18/2024
NOTE: DEFENDANT’S RULE 15.2 NOTICE OF DEFENSES AND DISCLOSURE

1/16/2024 AOM - Allegation of Multiple Offenses Not Committed on the Same Occasion - Party (001) 1/18/2024
NOTE: STATE’S ALLEGATION OF MULTIPLE OFFENSES NOT COMMITTED ON THE SAME OCCASION PURSUANT TO A.R.S. § 13-703 OR A.R.S. § 13-704

1/16/2024 RQH - Request For Hearing - Party (001) 1/18/2024
NOTE: STATE’S REQUEST FOR RULE 609 HEARING

1/16/2024 ALG - Allegation - Party (001) 1/18/2024
NOTE: STATE'S ALLEGATION OF AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES


Case #CR2022-001242-001

Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
1/19/2024 194 : Me: Initial Pretrial Conference - Party (001) 1/19/2024

1/18/2024 022 - ME: Order Signed - Party (001) 1/18/2024

1/18/2024 022 - ME: Order Signed - Party (001) 1/18/2024

1/17/2024 016 - ME: Ext/Time/Filing Granted - Party (001) 1/17/2024

1/16/2024 MOT - Motion - Party (001) 1/18/2024
NOTE: STATE’S MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER

1/16/2024 MOT - Motion - Party (001) 1/18/2024
NOTE: STATE’S MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER

1/16/2024 STA - Statement - Party (001) 1/18/2024
NOTE: INITIAL PRETRIAL CONFERENCE STATEMENT

1/16/2024 DAR - Notice of Disclosure and Request for Disclosure - Party (001) 1/18/2024
NOTE: STATE’S NOTICE OF DISCLOSURE AND REQUEST FOR DISCLOSURE

1/16/2024 AOM - Allegation of Multiple Offenses Not Committed on the Same Occasion - Party (001) 1/18/2024
NOTE: STATE’S ALLEGATION OF MULTIPLE OFFENSES NOT COMMITTED ON THE SAME OCCASION PURSUANT TO A.R.S. § 13-703 OR A.R.S. § 13-704

1/16/2024 ALG - Allegation - Party (001) 1/18/2024
NOTE: STATE'S ALLEGATION OF AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES

1/16/2024 NOT - Notice - Party (001) 1/18/2024
NOTE: DEFENDANT’S RULE 15.2 NOTICE OF DEFENSES AND DISCLOSURE

1/16/2024 ACO - Allegation of Historical Priors - Party (001) 1/18/2024
NOTE: STATE'S ALLEGATION OF HISTORICAL PRIOR CONVICTIONS UPON CONVICTION IN A CURRENTLY PENDING CASE

Case Calendar
Date Time Event
1/18/2024 8:15 Initial Pretrial Conference

2/21/2024 8:31 Comprehensive PreTrial Conference
2/21/2024 8:31 Complex / Capital Case

3/28/2024 8:30 Pre-Trial Conference

4/4/2024 9:00 Trial - vacated

7/25/2024 8:30 Pre-Trial Conference

8/1/2024 9:00 Trial

link: Docket - Criminal Court Case History
 
#CR2021-001704:
Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date
2/16/2024 083 - ME: Conference Reset/Cont - Party (001) 2/16/2024


#CR2022-001242:
Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date
2/16/2024 083 - ME: Conference Reset/Cont - Party (001) 2/16/2024

2/12/2024 SND - Supplemental Notice Of Disclosure - Party (001) 2/14/2024
NOTE: STATE’S SUPPLEMENTAL NOTICE OF DISCLOSURE [re: Expert witness Nicole Heideman with FBI]


both cases:
Case Calendar:
Date Time Event
2/21/2024 8:20 Complex / Capital Case
2/21/2024 8:31 Comprehensive PreTrial Conference

3/28/2024 8:30 Pre-Trial Conference

4/4/2024 9:00 Trial - vacated

7/25/2024 8:30 Pre-Trial Conference

8/1/2024 9:00 Trial

link: Docket - Criminal Court Case History
 
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