Why didn't Cindy file for custody of Caylee? Could Cindy have saved her?

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This is the part that DRIVES ME CRAZY!!! Cindy saying how good of a mom she was and that she loved her child but yet Cindy was advised to "seek custody" of Caylee? And when she threatens it over the 911 call I know that is not the first time it was discussed with Casey. Cindy can NOT have it both ways- either Casey was or wasn't a good parent. All signs point to NOT a good parent for me.

Cindy had no idea her comments while on hold with 911 were being recorded, so she was being raw and honest, she never intended anyone to hear her threatening to take custody, but all of this will come out at trial. The sad thing is I do think she and George adored that baby and would have been good adoptive parents, and certainly not the first grand parents who had to take over a child's upbringing that their daughter was failing at.
 
Cindy had no idea her comments while on hold with 911 were being recorded, so she was being raw and honest, she never intended anyone to hear her threatening to take custody, but all of this will come out at trial. The sad thing is I do think she and George adored that baby and would have been good adoptive parents, and certainly not the first grand parents who had to take over a child's upbringing that their daughter was failing at.

Cindy was worried about appearances. What would the neighbors, friends and family think? To adopt Caylee would mean that Casey failed, and that would be a reflection on Cindy.
 
Part of the vetting that occurs before adoption is permitted is examining the stability of the adoptive parents, financial,work history and emotional. Betcha George and Cindy would not want that amount of scrutiny. The threat could also be held over her head indefinitely...
 
It seems Cindy was pretty conflicted about Casey/ mom /Caylee issues. She was the one financially supporting the whole lot. She bought food, necessities, provided lodging for her daughter & grand daughter, seemingly without expectations for Casey to contribute much of anything, including taking sole responsibility for Caylee. So she kept enabling the situation. She had to have known that Casey didn't have a "job," never saw any evidence of her paychecks or contributing to the family budget.
I still believe( and this is only my personal opinion) that Casey might have been doing some kind of call-girl/escort type work, because it could happen off the books, provided her with some spending money, and she had the sexual proclivity for this. Plus given certain situations, she may have even been able to tote Caylee along. Or if she was working for some kind of loosely defined "company," ( even under cover of Universal for business-type clients) There is the statement by the detectives when interviewing George initially, about the " thousands" of sexually explicit photos they had from her computer. She knew a lot of shady characters.

We know she had stolen from her mother, grandparents & friends. It wasn't until the summer of 2008, she seemed to be desperate for $$, and her freedome & independence from Cindy & Caylee.

Again, this is my opinion, but I just think there is some "there," there.
 
It seems Cindy was pretty conflicted about Casey/ mom /Caylee issues. She was the one financially supporting the whole lot. She bought food, necessities, provided lodging for her daughter & grand daughter, seemingly without expectations for Casey to contribute much of anything, including taking sole responsibility for Caylee. So she kept enabling the situation. She had to have known that Casey didn't have a "job," never saw any evidence of her paychecks or contributing to the family budget.
I still believe( and this is only my personal opinion) that Casey might have been doing some kind of call-girl/escort type work, because it could happen off the books, provided her with some spending money, and she had the sexual proclivity for this. Plus given certain situations, she may have even been able to tote Caylee along. Or if she was working for some kind of loosely defined "company," ( even under cover of Universal for business-type clients) There is the statement by the detectives when interviewing George initially, about the " thousands" of sexually explicit photos they had from her computer. She knew a lot of shady characters.

We know she had stolen from her mother, grandparents & friends. It wasn't until the summer of 2008, she seemed to be desperate for $$, and her freedome & independence from Cindy & Caylee.

Again, this is my opinion, but I just think there is some "there," there.

Me too! As you say, she would have a natural aptitude for the job!:innocent:
 
The burden for moving custody is huge. The court system wants the bio parents to retain custody unless there is indisputable evidence of danger to the child. Since the child in question was aleady being sheltered by the grandparents and the grandparents were present and active in her life I can see nothing for the court to use to justify a change of custody from the biological parent. They simply had no case. Now if they could show that Casey was endangering Caylee in some way, an attorney would have something to use. But it has to be more than not agreeing with her lifestyle, or that she let Caylee stay up too late at night. The fact that they were all living in the same house would have hurt CAs case, but I'm sure she would not have wanted to let Casey move out and take Caylee away as then she would have lost control over them both. Also, she may have had fears that Caylee would have been neglected if she was in Casey's sole care.

The only way GA and CA could have adopted Caylee would have been if Casey consented, which would never happen since Caylee was far too valuable a tool for Casey to use against her mother, or for Caylee to have been removed from Casey by the state and Casey declared unfit. Neither a likely scenario.
 
As a gram to 5 and in my 50s it would be difficult to impossible for me to raise any of them should the need arise. I just don't have it anymore and I have to work full time and I'm single. It would have to be dire for me to do it. I think it would have had to get so, so much worse for Cindy to really consider trying to gain custody of Caylee. It was just an empty threat she used, one of many in her arsenal of control gimmicks. And really, to look at both G & C now and see how they still believe Casey didn't murder Caylee - it is all too clear that they really didn't believe she was bad as the facts were actually telling them. I'm stunned and appalled at the Casey cataracts they have covering their eyes. I know it's not a crime or sinful to believe in someone as they do but it sure is ugly!
 
I thought CPS did talk to Casey, so maybe they had to take the appropriate steps and let CPS file the paperwork.
 
I thought CPS did talk to Casey, so maybe they had to take the appropriate steps and let CPS file the paperwork.

Was she already a client of theirs? I thought they first interviewed her after she was arrested and charge with child neglect?
 
I agree with one of the very first posters as to why CA never applied for custody. Three words:

DECOMP IN CAR.
:banghead:
 
I am NOT an attorney nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night, BUT I do know someone in this situation. It is much harder than people realize to take a child away. In addition, Caylee would have likely been placed in Foster care until the court could arrange for CA to be her guardian. In smaller counties that can happen simultaneously with a removal, but in a county as large as Orange it would have been a while to even get CPS to investigate, find cause for removal, and the court to award custody. She could not have done this behind KC's back as KC would have been interviewed by CPS as part of the investigation. If crack moms can keep their parental rights then it goes without saying that lazy moms are a slam dunk.
IMO with some knowledge. Feel free to correct any statements that are untrue.


I have not read the entire thread so forgive me if this has been discussed repeatedly. I have read that the above is true. That if an interested party (not sure if that's the term) tries to severe the parental rights of someone that the child will go to a neutral party. I'm not sure how the initial party (e.g. Mrs. Anthony) ends up with custody.
 
ZsaZsa
That was the time I meant. I realized my post was not vey clear. sorry
Seems like her parents used it as a threat to try and get Casey to be a better mother. They never seemed to follow thru with threat though. Maybe they didn't have enough to get Caylee taken away from Casey, and boy, if they tried and failed, she would probably never let them see Caylee again. I think once they smelled the car, they were freaked and when they called the police, they knew CPS would eventually hear from Casey also. This could be their chance to finally get her... its just so damn sad that they didnt do it before Casey took her away from everyone.
sorry about not explaining myself on other post and thanks for being cool!
Great article at Blink.com if everyone hasn't seen it
http://************.com/2009/10/02/cayleecasey-anthony-case-brad-baez-and-baden-cant-read/
 
ZsaZsa
That was the time I meant. I realized my post was not vey clear. sorry
Seems like her parents used it as a threat to try and get Casey to be a better mother. They never seemed to follow thru with threat though. Maybe they didn't have enough to get Caylee taken away from Casey, and boy, if they tried and failed, she would probably never let them see Caylee again. I think once they smelled the car, they were freaked and when they called the police, they knew CPS would eventually hear from Casey also. This could be their chance to finally get her... its just so damn sad that they didnt do it before Casey took her away from everyone.
sorry about not explaining myself on other post and thanks for being cool!
Great article at Blink.com if everyone hasn't seen it
http://************.com/2009/10/02/cayleecasey-anthony-case-brad-baez-and-baden-cant-read/


Great post, Soul. Also wanted to check out the Blink.com article but am unable to find it. Any suggestions? Would like to check it out :waitasec: TIA
 
I think Cindy was tired.She was providing for everyone,working a fulltime job,watching Caylee,keeping the house and having money issues. What she really wanted was for George and Casey to shape up and pull their weight.
I was a foster parent for 20 years and there was nothing in KC's history with Caylee,that I have seen,that would warrant CPS.Cindy could have tried on the grounds that she was the sole provider and caretaker,but with KC in the home,it's doubtful she would get permanant custody.Casy would have been given hoops to jump through by the court and plenty of time to do it.
Also,I believe a child is only removed and given to a neutral party if there is some cause to investigate both parties [mom/grandparents].CPS and the courts really don't like to pull kids from their homes and there is a huge shortage of foster parents in every state.If anyone is so inclined,you might consider becoming a foster parent in memory of Caylee.
PS Sal,I can totally relate.I'm 51 and still have 2 little ones at home.Oldest mom at the elementary school!
 
Great post, Soul. Also wanted to check out the Blink.com article but am unable to find it. Any suggestions? Would like to check it out :waitasec: TIA

JBEAN just posted on another thread that links to that site are banned here.
 
I think Cindy was tired.She was providing for everyone,working a fulltime job,watching Caylee,keeping the house and having money issues. What she really wanted was for George and Casey to shape up and pull their weight.
I was a foster parent for 20 years and there was nothing in KC's history with Caylee,that I have seen,that would warrant CPS.Cindy could have tried on the grounds that she was the sole provider and caretaker,but with KC in the home,it's doubtful she would get permanant custody.Casy would have been given hoops to jump through by the court and plenty of time to do it.
Also,I believe a child is only removed and given to a neutral party if there is some cause to investigate both parties [mom/grandparents].CPS and the courts really don't like to pull kids from their homes and there is a huge shortage of foster parents in every state.If anyone is so inclined,you might consider becoming a foster parent in memory of Caylee.
PS Sal,I can totally relate.I'm 51 and still have 2 little ones at home.Oldest mom at the elementary school!
Just google "blink on crime" and you'll find the article.
 
I have not read the entire thread so forgive me if this has been discussed repeatedly. I have read that the above is true. That if an interested party (not sure if that's the term) tries to severe the parental rights of someone that the child will go to a neutral party. I'm not sure how the initial party (e.g. Mrs. Anthony) ends up with custody.

Well, I speak from experience as my sister in law is a bag of S**T. She got pregnant at 18, decided to keep the baby (girl) although she was encouraged by ALL of us to give her up for adoption. My DH and I even considered adopting her ourselves, but his parents said if that was the case they may as well be involved. So....SIL has her daughter and proceeds to neglect her. The ONLY time that child was in a clean diaper, fed, rested, and stable was in the care of my in laws. My SIL dropped out of school, refused to work, started sleeping with everything that had a penis and allowing undesirables to come into the house at all hours. My in laws moved her into a trailer that they owned and paid all the bills. She only went to the doc when my in laws took her. They wanted to cut my SIL off but were afraid she would run with the baby. MUCH like the A's concern. They asked for legal advice when they became concerned that she was being left alone, or in the care of randoms when my SIL would go off and party. They were told, that they could not just "take her". They could not prove her to be unfit unless they stopped supporting her and she was forced to Screw up without intervention. It wasn't until she went to the trailer one day when she couldn't reach my SIL and saw mountains of laundry that were so old and sour that there were roaches crawling on them, roaches in the fridge, and the baby being watched by someone my in laws had never met. Turns out this guy had a record for violence and firearms and was shacking up there with my SIL. So....she called CPS and they sent LE out to the house. It was only then that they had the right to step in and "remove the child". They told her that she would be placed in emergency care unless she agreed to take her. SHE did!!! Now the big difference here is that my SIL lived at a residence other than with them. Though they owned it, she was living on her own with that child. With KC at home, Caylee was well fed, rested, and cared for. CA would have needed to get KC out of the house to "screw up" enough to have grounds for seeking guardianship. She was afraid to take that chance so for her, it was a catch 22. She was trapped.
As far as my worthless SIL, once my in laws had temp custody of the baby then they cut my SIL off, she skipped town and has never been back. She held on to her baby as a pawn, just like KC did. She calls and asks for money every once in a while. My inlaws will send her $50 here and there BUT they mail it by money order to a......wait for it................Salvation Army Homeless shelter. AND she is now the "proud" birther (she is no mother) of a baby boy with health problems, and just got married. The whole fam lives at the shelter. She needed $25 to take a cab to the courthouse to get married. She has since retired from her door to door magazine selling for cash. My BIL and his wife took over guardianship of my niece and hope to adopt her. But, it will take time.
 
Pink Panther
thanks for telling the correct link. I tried to put on post but i guess you can't here. I think ************.com is a great place to read. She seems to be up to date on everything and extremly smart. I also like to read the posts... that is how i found this site.

Sometimes I am so mad that I watched this on NG. My 2 year old was sick at Disney World and I was stuck in the hotel, right before X-Mas. Man, this was all over the tv in Orlando, duh huh. The minute I saw Caylee's picture, I just felt love towards her. Seems wierd to me cuz I never felt that strong of a connection to a story about a child on tv before. I couldn't turn off this story for anything..like a moth to a light. I was reading and researching and crying. I just don't understand how you love your daughter with all your heart and do what happened here. Wouldn't you think some memory would break her down at times? Make her miss her? cry? I even can understand that once you lie that big, how do you say I did it? I don't even know them and I feel extreme sadness.. even when I am with my own children.. I think, i should feel lucky to be doing this with my kids cuz Caylee will never get to do that again. Never get to have friends, go to school, loose a tooth, go on a date, drive, graduate... so sad.. and that even seems like an understatement.
sorry for long post.

Because you cherish your child you think others probably have the same strong feelings, but I seriously doubt Casey cries for anyone but her self, and what she is missing- the bella vita... remember, she is the one who said HER "whole life had been taken" from her.
True Maternal Love and garbage bags just do not compute. She could not even treat her little corpse with respect.
 
hey pink panther....

here's a telling age sign..

my CB radio name as a kid was pink panther...lol
 
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