ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 3

[Abby Normal]

also respectfully snipped

just a few things here, according to Becca Hanson, Ayla's maternal grandmother:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1112/20/ng.01.html



and, this quote from Trista:

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/45814327#45814327

TR: No, I had went like two and a half weeks without seeing her when I first got out of rehab, and then after, um, like the first week of November, I didn't see her again until the 21st of November. And then after the 21st of November I did not see her again.

she says she saw her after she got of out rehab twice.

yeah, I got that she saw her twice. But that is just seeing her... and she said that he hasn't let her have Ayla for even one single day, which suggests it wasn't a full out visitation, but that she physically saw her.

I still don't know that 2 times is enough of a pattern to say that "every time my daughter has gone with Justin, she would always come back with bruises on her or she had come back with a pulled muscle." Obviously if this statement is true than the statement of "her father has never had anything to do with her up until I needed to go and get a little bit of help for myself." isn't entirely true.

I'm just saying that obviously he was more involved at some point then the above statements made it sound, or she was exaggerating the other above statement.

I'm not trying to say this makes anyone guilty or innocent. I just don't like trying to figure out what is going on when someone is contradicting themselves left and right.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

also respectfully snipped

just a few things here, according to Becca Hanson, Ayla's maternal grandmother:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1112/20/ng.01.html



and, this quote from Trista:

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/45814327#45814327

TR: No, I had went like two and a half weeks without seeing her when I first got out of rehab, and then after, um, like the first week of November, I didn't see her again until the 21st of November. And then after the 21st of November I did not see her again.

she says she saw her after she got of out rehab twice.

TR already contradicted herself because she stated that PRIOR to her stint at rehab that Ayla was coming home with bruising. Gramma contradicted herself as well because TR also mentioned something about his visits "since June" which is 5 months prior to rehab. So he did in fact see her. We also do not know about birth - a year old because JD has not given his side. Perhaps mom was "unreachable" or living from place to place so dad did not know where she was and/or if Ayla was truly his...we do not know all of the background from Ayla's birth to a year old. Maybe early on dad did not want involved? We don't know. Maybe he did want involved? Was there a DNA situation that occurred for paternity for JD initiated by him? Did dad even know about her when TR was pregnant? The very first interview that TR did she made some pretty "odd" statements about JD. She said they never lived together, was never together, and the way she said it she made it "sound like" they had a one night stand kind of situation. It was in the very first interview with either Nancy Grace or Jane Velez Mitchell show. Also, where is dad #2? Why isn't he stepping forward knowing a seven month old baby is living in a dumpy one-room motel? Does dad #2 even know he is a dad?

 

[askfornina]

yeah, I got that she saw her twice. But that is just seeing her... and she said that he hasn't let her have Ayla for even one single day, which suggests it wasn't a full out visitation, but that she physically saw her.

I still don't know that 2 times is enough of a pattern to say that "every time my daughter has gone with Justin, she would always come back with bruises on her or she had come back with a pulled muscle." Obviously if this statement is true than the statement of "her father has never had anything to do with her up until I needed to go and get a little bit of help for myself." isn't entirely true.

I'm just saying that obviously he was more involved at some point then the above statements made it sound, or she was exaggerating the other above statement.

I'm not trying to say this makes anyone guilty or innocent. I just don't like trying to figure out what is going on when someone is contradicting themselves left and right.

I completely understand. I agree. just in case it isn't clear, I'm not trying to argue with anyone about whether or not these things are inconsistent, I'm just trying to provide the statements for discussion

:fence:

 

[Abby Normal]

I think this is weird but possible. Maybe the dad or even his mom wanted to keep Ayla inside because he feared TR or someone would come and try and take her.
Then again, maybe it's because of all those alleged bruises and the broken arm and fearing what the neighbors might start to think.
I wonder what the neighbors opinion is of this family. I also wonder what TR neighbors think of them. I know opinions aren't always reliable but still, they've known of the families longer than we have.
This is the way it often happens with modifications of custody, IMO. The non custodial parent waits for the prime opportunity to go in and have the best chance to be granted custody of the child. On one hand if TR was getting help for her addiction then kudos, on the other hand the Judge may think it's not a good environment for the child because often the past is a good prediction of the future. Not always but sometimes.



I don't think she's saying that Ayla never went with Justin. I think she's saying that he didn't seem thrilled about it, perhaps. Maybe mom, the girlfriend or other family members pushed Justin to be a part of Ayla's life? I've known lots of men and women that when the adult relationship ended they no longer wanted much to do with the children. Of course I realize this relationship wasn't a traditional one.
Without a legal custody order signed by a Judge I'm unsure why TR would continue letting Justin keep Ayla after coming home with the bruises and the broken arm.

MOO

bbm- not directed at you, just jumping off your post/discussing

I think she is saying that- REYNOLDS: Because her father has never had anything to do with her up until I needed to go and get a little bit of help for myself. And then when I left my daughter with my sister, that`s when he decided, You know what? I`m going to take Ayla.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1112/19/ng.01.html

And of course we know in other interviews she insists it was an arrangement she and he had- that he didn't take her- he was an agreement.

"according to you, you and Justin had an agreement that he would take care of Ayla while you were in rehab back in October.

TR: That's right." http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/45814327#45814327

She hasn't settled on her version of the story yet, I guess. It'd probably be good for her if she did.

 

[tamild]

I just had one more thought...If Ayla's broken arm was so nefarious, why would Justin not only call Trista to let her know about it, but pick her up and take her to the first bone specialist appointment? Remember that Trista said "WE took her."

 

[askfornina]

http://www.kjonline.com/news/Police-keep-quiet.html

Two of the agencies involved in the search for Ayla Reynolds — Maine State Police and Waterville Police — declined to comment Tuesday on whether they had advised DiPietro to avoid media contact.

Waterville Deputy Chief Charles Rumsey did say that police sometimes offer advice to people involved in cases, but any decision to offer advice is determined according to the individual case.

Also on Tuesday, Department of Public Safety Spokesman Steve McCausland said there are no new developments in the case.

 

[Abby Normal]

http://www.kjonline.com/news/Police-keep-quiet.html

Interesting. I wonder why the advice to avoid the media? I wonder if they want someone else to keep talking, or if they have an idea who it is and they are afraid he'd unintentionally allude to it. It would also explain his statements going through LE.

 

[krimekat]

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I believe mom knew she was not going to get rights to Ayla back. Not considering she was not sober/drug free long enough...place she lives is a dump...and another baby in a one room motel? I think she had someone, or herself, take Ayla from the home. She knew the layout as she was there. Maybe she thought he would call her on the phone the next day and she would have said "See you in court!" ...However, perhaps it backfired when he called police and reported her missing/abducted and now she was "in too deep" and is keeping up with a lie. I truly believe she knows where Ayla is. I believe the dad knows she knows...maybe even the police knows she knows. I do not believe dad harmed this baby.

ew, this is what I've been leaning toward, too . . . :fence:

To me, it's pretty telling SHE's the one who went to the media while HE worked with LE/FBI

 

[Chablis]

I just had one more thought...If Ayla's broken arm was so nefarious, why would Justin not only call Trista to let her know about it, but pick her up and take her to the first bone specialist appointment? Remember that Trista said "WE took her."

The bone was broke! You think the mom was never going to find out? Why wouldn't he call and let the mom know?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Here's my :twocents: ... FWIW ...

While Ayla's mother is NOT the "mother of the year", JMO, but I still don't think she had anything to do with the baby's "disappearance" ... The mother is the one who filed "custody papers" the day before the baby went missing ...

So I think it would be a really, really dumb "move" for her to try to have someone "kidnap" Ayla for her -- especially when she filed papers for custody the day BEFORE the baby went "missing" ...

Now ... I do believe Trista is extremely immature and I believe Justin is extremely immature ... and JMO, but they should NOT be having children that they canNOT take care of and canNOT afford to take care of financially !

Ayla went "missing" while in the care of Justin -- NOT on Trista's "watch" -- and while Justin's other family members and friends were at the house ...

JMO ... but someone KNOWS what happened to this baby that night ...

MOO ...

 

[tamild]

The bone was broke! You think the mom was never going to find out? Why wouldn't he call and let the mom know?

If he was truly trying to keep Trista from Ayla out of spite or because he was trying to hide evidence of abuse, he wouldn't have had to tell her at that time. Of course she would've found out eventually, but he could've keep it secret for awhile if he had wanted to. He didn't try to keep Trista from speaking to the doctors about what may have happened and in fact facilitated her meeting with the doctors. If Trista REALLY thought something was amiss, why didn't she file for custody or parental rights or whatever right then? She didn't file when she got out of rehab, she didn't file when she saw Ayla about two and a half weeks later, she didn't file when Ayla's arm was broken, and she didn't file shortly after that. When did she file? When Justin told her that he was going to file.

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

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I believe mom knew she was not going to get rights to Ayla back. Not considering she was not sober/drug free long enough...place she lives is a dump...and another baby in a one room motel? I think she had someone, or herself, take Ayla from the home. She knew the layout as she was there. Maybe she thought he would call her on the phone the next day and she would have said "See you in court!" ...However, perhaps it backfired when he called police and reported her missing/abducted and now she was "in too deep" and is keeping up with a lie. I truly believe she knows where Ayla is. I believe the dad knows she knows...maybe even the police knows she knows. I do not believe dad harmed this baby.

I think I am kind of with you on this. I think neither parent is showing enough anguish to me that speaks they don't have any idea what happened to this child. I think they might be playing a cat and mouse game and like you said, she knew she would likely not get Ayla back. IDK, I keep riding the fence on either parent, but something tells me this child is alive and well somewhere (at least physically well.)

 

[my_tee_mouse]

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I believe mom knew she was not going to get rights to Ayla back. Not considering she was not sober/drug free long enough...place she lives is a dump...and another baby in a one room motel? I think she had someone, or herself, take Ayla from the home. She knew the layout as she was there. Maybe she thought he would call her on the phone the next day and she would have said "See you in court!" ...However, perhaps it backfired when he called police and reported her missing/abducted and now she was "in too deep" and is keeping up with a lie. I truly believe she knows where Ayla is. I believe the dad knows she knows...maybe even the police knows she knows. I do not believe dad harmed this baby.

You have expressed my feelings to a "tee."

 

[cluciano63]

The term "foul play" has such sinister implications...not sure why LE would use this term in a parental "hiding of a child" incident, especially after waiting 2+ weeks to use it.

 

[hambirg]

Here's my :twocents: ... FWIW ...

While Ayla's mother is NOT the "mother of the year", JMO, but I still don't think she had anything to do with the baby's "disappearance" ... The mother is the one who filed "custody papers" the day before the baby went missing ...

So I think it would be a really, really dumb "move" for her to try to have someone "kidnap" Ayla for her -- especially when she filed papers for custody the day BEFORE the baby went "missing" ...

Now ... I do believe Trista is extremely immature and I believe Justin is extremely immature ... and JMO, but they should NOT be having children that they canNOT take care of and canNOT afford to take care of financially !

Ayla went "missing" while in the care of Justin -- NOT on Trista's "watch" -- and while Justin's other family members and friends were at the house ...

JMO ... but someone KNOWS what happened to this baby that night ...

MOO ...

ITA

I find TR to be genuine and her behavior to be normal for some one like her in the position she is in.

I'm on the fence about JD. I think there are some red flags and he certainly had access to Ayla. . .she was in his care. There's just not enough evidence for me to decide that yet.

What I am wondering is about that text he claimed he got. He told TR that he was afraid someone was going to take Ayla. Maybe that was just a cover. .. OR maybe there is somebody who knows him that isn't happy about his parenting. I DO think somebody in that house knows what happened to Ayla. I think there is a possibility that somebody. .. maybe JD's mom. . .passed her off to somebody where she thought she would be safe and better off. I think it's a pretty out there idea, but I keep pondering that. . .hmmmm. :waitasec:

 

[Chablis]

If he was truly trying to keep Trista from Ayla out of spite or because he was trying to hide evidence of abuse, he wouldn't have had to tell her at that time. Of course she would've found out eventually, but he could've keep it secret for awhile if he had wanted to. He didn't try to keep Trista from speaking to the doctors about what may have happened and in fact facilitated her meeting with the doctors. If Trista REALLY thought something was amiss, why didn't she file for custody or parental rights or whatever right then? She didn't file when she got out of rehab, she didn't file when she saw Ayla about two and a half weeks later, she didn't file when Ayla's arm was broken, and she didn't file shortly after that. When did she file? When Justin told her that he was going to file.

You dont keep secrets with the person you have a child with, had he kept it secret for a few days that would be way more sketchier, bottom line is shes Aylas mom and she was going to find out, a BONE was broke on his watch. And seriously, the mom filed for custody the day before??? So did the Dad get papers that day?? She obviously needs major help and is a crappy mom, but looking at that interview with that father, I have a feeling he wasn't the best influence on the mother as well. jmo

 

[LvsAMystry]

You dont keep secrets with the person you have a child with, had he kept it secret for a few days that would be way more sketchier, bottom line is shes Aylas mom and she was going to find out, a BONE was broke on his watch. And seriously, the mom filed for custody the day before??? So did the Dad get papers that day?? She obviously needs major help and is a crappy mom, but looking at that interview with that father, I have a feeling he wasn't the best influence on the mother as well. jmo

There was no relationship between the two even before the child, two mature adults would put that fact aside and co-exist cooperatively for the sake of their child but we aren't dealing with that scenario here.

Also, TR admitted the one and only reason she filed the papers that day was because JD told her he was about to file and she wanted to basically beat him to the punch. That admission alone says volumes about maturity and the view if it being a game or contest that she had every intention of "winning." My thought is the custody issue/argument was on the rise and becoming more contentious. It's clear and in life there really are no or very few coincidences.

 

[Adrienne37]

Just my 2 cents worth here but perhaps the mother should have tried a little harder to keep her nose clean and remain sober while she was attempting to raise two small children and provide them with a stable environment instead of having them live out of some seedy motel. She's lied and changed her stories so many times, it looks worse than a block of Swiss cheese.

 

[Helenstreet]

Here's my :twocents: ... FWIW ...

While Ayla's mother is NOT the "mother of the year", JMO, but I still don't think she had anything to do with the baby's "disappearance" ... The mother is the one who filed "custody papers" the day before the baby went missing ...

So I think it would be a really, really dumb "move" for her to try to have someone "kidnap" Ayla for her -- especially when she filed papers for custody the day BEFORE the baby went "missing" ...

Now ... I do believe Trista is extremely immature and I believe Justin is extremely immature ... and JMO, but they should NOT be having children that they canNOT take care of and canNOT afford to take care of financially !

Ayla went "missing" while in the care of Justin -- NOT on Trista's "watch" -- and while Justin's other family members and friends were at the house ...

JMO ... but someone KNOWS what happened to this baby that night ...

MOO ...

I couldn't have said it better myself--GREAT post! This is not about who is the potentially better parent; it is about the FACT that a 20 month old, defenseless, precious, baby disappeared from a small home with at least 5 people present at the location.The last person who claims to have seen her is her father; therefore, he is ultimately the person responsible for Ayla's well-being. IMO.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

The bone was broke! You think the mom was never going to find out? Why wouldn't he call and let the mom know?

Ok. Let's define BROKE. I am by no means minimizing the injury...but there are different degrees of "broke." From a fracture, to a compound fracture, etc. All three of my children had broken wrists. Fact is my daughter broke her wrist on Sept 18, 1984 and it was her right wrist roller skating. We did not know it was "broke" until the next day when swelling occurred. It did not swell right away. Exactly one year to the day...Sept 18, 1985 she broke her left one. I will never forget those dates..ever. My son broke his wrist at 3 years old riding his bike. My other son broke his at school on the playground in kindergarten.

As for Ayla, it could have been a hairline fracture, crack, also considered "broke" and Dad DID call mom and mom DID meet dad at MMC. (Maine Medical Center) There is nothing unusual in a child having injuries. As for falling on a child, I did the same I fell carrying my daughter onto ice and my entire body on top of her and her head hit the ice and the largest egg started to grow on her forehead. We put ice and rushed to hospital. I felt horrible. Luckily no concussion...soft tissue bruising and swelling...but as a mom...I was sick with the thought of it as it could have been prevented had I had better shoes on