Trial Thread 4/18/2012

[robynhood]

..answer to brighin...YES kids have to be in car seats until they reach a certain hight due to car bags in front seat ...I live in ontario and I would say around age 8 is about right for car seats...robyhood

 

[Hello_Kitty]

Don't kids have to be in car seats until they are 8, (or a certain wight or height) in Ontario?

I don't live in ON anymore, but I remember the law there being particularly strict.

Child car seat laws in ontario:

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/carseat/choose.shtml

 

[Bravo]

Don't kids have to be in car seats until they are 8, (or a certain wight or height) in Ontario?

I don't live in ON anymore, but I remember the law there being particularly strict.

Here ya go. I guess we would have to know what style of car seat was retrieved from JW's car to have a ball park idea how young the children were then.



http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/carseat/choose.shtml

 

[jenniferleia]

I also get the feeling they are just going through the motions of a trial and they know what the end result will be. I hope I'm not right because darn it, my tax money is paying for this trial!!

I feel the same. Where is all this going? No real arguments happening! I hope they start soon because I find a lot of the time the defence arguments are so difficult to believe it sways you towards the crown.

Maybe he is just hoping for a hung jury or a mistrail!! They seem to have NO defence claims happening.....maybe I am being impaitient and it is still coming!!

What do you all think? Will there be more to this? or is this it?

All of the above is just my personal opinion!!

 

[Bravo]

Yes this does make one wonder if it was cold sores or not.

Yes and given they are a virus. Brought on by virus and/or stress they do take weeks to heal.

 

[Hello_Kitty]

Here ya go. I guess we would have to know what style of car seat was retrieved from JW's car to have a ball park idea how young they children were then.



http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/carseat/choose.shtml

There is a difference tho for older children up to eight, they wear booster seats, not car seats.

Pre-school to 8 years old



The law requires booster seats for children who have outgrown a child car seat but are too small for a regular seat belt.

 

[brighidin]

Here ya go. I guess we would have to know what style of car seat was retrieved from JW's car to have a ball park idea how young the children were then.



http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/carseat/choose.shtml

You guys make me feel lazy....I hate googling things. LOL

Thanks to yo and the others who posted it. )

 

[~n/t~]

I feel the same. Where is all this going? No real arguments happening! I hope they start soon because I find a lot of the time the defence arguments are so difficult to believe it sways you towards the crown.

Maybe he is just hoping for a hung jury or a mistrail!! They seem to have NO defence claims happening.....maybe I am being impaitient and it is still coming!!

What do you all think? Will there be more to this? or is this it?

All of the above is just my personal opinion!!

The defence hasn't presented its case yet. Maybe they think the Crown's case doesn't prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt and have nothing to defend in crossing the witnesses.

I guess we'll wait and see what show they will put on, if anything. Maybe their only witness will be the accused child kidnapper/rapist/killer himself and that's it.

We'll see..

 

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Steven D'Souza ‏ @cbcsteve
During much of today's testimony, #Rafferty has been taking copious notes. He did so earlier in the trial as well. #sl

Steven D'Souza ‏ @cbcsteve
OPP Det.-Cst. Leslie Waldron is back on stand as court resumes after lunch. Giving a tutorial on MSN Messenger now #sl



bbm

 

[brighidin]

I feel the same. Where is all this going? No real arguments happening! I hope they start soon because I find a lot of the time the defence arguments are so difficult to believe it sways you towards the crown.

Maybe he is just hoping for a hung jury or a mistrail!! They seem to have NO defence claims happening.....maybe I am being impaitient and it is still coming!!

What do you all think? Will there be more to this? or is this it?

All of the above is just my personal opinion!!

IMO, I think the arguments are more in the opening and closing statements. This is the presentation of evidence. The defense can call witnesses etc., after the crown is finished.

I agree that he may be hoping for a hung jury. I wonder if Derstine wanted the jury to have more females. MR fancies himself a charming ladies man, after all!

 

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Avery Moore ‏ @AveryFreeFMNews
Jury is back in the court room. OPP Det. Const. Leslie Waldron is still on the stand. Explaining how to use Windows Live. #Rafferty

 

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RaffertyLFP: Waldron said MSN was more popular for live chats than Facebook because it is faster [via Twitter]

RaffertyLFP: Waldron resumes testimony. She is explaining how MSN messaging works [via Twitter]

 

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RaffertyLFP: Waldron is explaining the Skydrive associated with MSN [via Twitter]

 

[robynhood]

..court is resuming I saw brief tweet they are talking about msn with that expert knowing about social netwiorking ....I see tweets but not posting to copy sorry ...not that familiar with twitter....sorry robynhood,,it is 2;30 here in S ont...

 

[nobodyzgirl]

A lot of the stuff that Derstine asks the witnesses to answer are heresay. Why is he allowed to ask the opinions of the witnesses. I am Canadian but have seen court cases from the U.S. where stuff like that would have been objected to and not allowed by the Judge.

Yesterday Derstine asked a witness if there were a lot of rural fields (or something like this) in the Woodstock area. This should have been objected to--why does her opinion of the landscape of Woodstock matter. She is not an expert and is not on the stand to offer this type of information.

There was another question earlier that he asked that had me thinking "this should be objected to"--can't remember right now but will keep thinking. Oh yeah, when he created a senario of what happened (of course omitting parts that may make his client look REALLY BAD) and had TLM agree or disagree to it.

Can anyone offer any explanation/reasons that you know of that Derstine is allowed this type of questioning--"heresay type".

He is allowed to ask these types of questions because it is not considered hearsay. Hearsay is considered evidence that is offered by a witness for which they do not have direct knowledge of but, rather, their testimony is based on what others have said to them.

Derstine asked her if there are a lot of rural areas in Woodstock. She answered the question and it was her own opinion, not the opinion of someone else, therefore it doesn't fall under the rule of hearsay.

 

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RaffertyLFP: Court is shown profile shot of Rafferty [via Twitter]


RaffertyLFP: Waldron said police got access to Rafferty's online chats and profile through Microsoft [via Twitter]

 

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Steven D'Souza ‏ @cbcsteve
court now seeing images from #Rafferty's MSN profile. Obtained from Microsoft via court order through legal treaty btw CAN and US #sl

 

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RaffertyLFP: Waldron said investigators went after Rafferty's Facebook page but were told it was disabled after Rafferty's arrest [via Twitter]

 

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RaffertyLFP: Police tracked down the Facebook page through the CanCrime website [via Twitter]

 

[Bravo]

There is a difference tho for older children up to eight, they wear booster seats, not car seats.

Pre-school to 8 years old



The law requires booster seats for children who have outgrown a child car seat but are too small for a regular seat belt.

Correct. I wondered tho if the retrieving of car seats was a generalization. Could have been a booster seat or both since she had children(s)