Totally agree - there was something wrong in the marriage, GBC was cheating (that is wrong) we don't know what his relationship is with Toni McHugh, perhaps they are genuinely in love with each other. Perhaps he needed a shoulder to cry on, perhaps she did.
The one eyed attitude on this forum is becoming over the top. As I said earlier today, neither of them were saints, nor were they complete degenerates, they were normal people, such like all of us. There world has changed in an instant probably. Can't we at least have some understanding for there fraility.
The kissing should never have been shot, should never have been shown and should never had happened, but it really is so trivial. We have given it so much "life in this thread" way, way beyond what it was entitled to, we have feed it and given Elaine Baden Clay every ounce of attention that she wanted from it.
whatever else has happened in this marriage, Allison and Gerard loved each other once, that can't help to come back to you even if you have got to the stage of murdering your spouse.
As for going to the Brookfield show, he has three young children who would have had an expectation of going, my 5 year old nephew is so excited about his school fete in a fortnight. These events are big things in the lives of young children, and I guarantee there isn't a parent on this site who hasn't attend event because there children wanted to go.
As I said earlier I am not a GBC supporter, but I don't think we do ourselves justice by picking on his every known action.
An earlier poster mentioned that ABC and GBC were meeting at the school each Wednesday regarding the home situation and the children - to me that is worth exploring - what was happening at home, on a regular basis, that needed weekly attention by the school?
Gerard Baden-Clay has had multiple affairs. There is no suggestion or report of Allison having affairs. Shoulder to cry on? Why does that require compassion and understanding? He was married, TN knew he was married. It's not OK - simple as that. It involves lying and cheating and betraying your partner. If you need a shoulder to cry on, see a priest, a counsellor, or your best friend, or better still improve your relationship with your wife or partner! If things are difficult, deal with it - life isnt about always having all your needs met at the expense of others. If you can't do that then leave the marriage and
then find a new partner. Perhaps, god forbid, you might even have to be alone for a while rather than ensure you have a constant supply of at least one woman. But hey, it's a bit hard just being with yourself, considering yourself is not a very nice person! If you believe cheating is OK, then go and live in a swinging relationship with a partner who is OK with cheating, not hurt by it.
As for the statement about them not being complete degenerates, and being
normal people like all of us, you don't know that. If GBC murdered Allison and TM helped him dispose of the body, or even if she had no involvement but just knew what happened, maybe they are not like all of us and I find it an insult to be compared to them, and yes if they are involved they are degenerates. (I accept that GBC is not yet named as a suspect and we dont know if he is the perp, but there are few other options if you take into account the police statements about it being someone close to home)
I draw your attention to Hawkins post as quoted below:
Quote by Hawkins
I have had dealings with a few people convicted of homicide offences. The ones who were fairly typical people who killed due to extraordinary circumstances or intolerable stresses were all charged relatively quickly. Those who were convicted on circumstantial evidence were all sociopaths and took a long time to catch and charge. They never admitted anything, even the smallest detail, and never felt any internal pressure to provide details to family members, even anonymously after release from prison decades later. It strikes me that this may well have been a killing which involved sociopathic personalities. It has some of the hall marks.
IMO Hawkins is right on the money, I have thought this all along. Sociopaths have many traits of narcissim and borderline personality disorder, and this fits in with many of the behaviours of GBC. The coldness is a big sign. Social acceptability and outward signs of normality mean nothing - sociopaths are everywhere in the guise of normal people, but they are in actual fact very dangerous.
I feel that attempts to try to be reasonable on here and supposedly look at both sides are the things that have actually gone too far. Perhaps some compassion and understanding could be in order for those on here who are critical of the people they believe are either the murderers or accessories, and who have joked about the 'granny pash' and other things. Maybe its a way of letting off steam to deal with the pain of knowing that someone like Allison has been brutally murdered and coldly disposed of like rubbish, and to deal with the fact that we are restricted in certain ways in the way that we can and can't speak about the possible perpetrators.
