Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #35 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[atthelake]

:thud: :thud: :thud:

:what: OMG!!!!!!!!!!! I just had a flashback!!!!!!!!!!!!

About 15 years ago, I had someone that dated me that I saw as casual, and yep, just bided my time with him I guess. Enjoyed the time, but didn't want to take it to the "next level". He then wanted to get closer to me that I wanted. Since I was at the time 42 and single, and wanted to continue that way......and with some experience under my belt to WHENEVER there is a severe imbalance in a relationship, I said I wanted to cut it off due to our differing objectives - and I said.......bye.....let's move on. He wanted to be friends, but my RADAR as a woman went off, and I said no.

The next thing I knew, he was calling ALL OF MY GIRLFRIENDS THAT HE HAD MET! Saying there was something wrong with me that I couldn't do relationships and I was too into the "singles" dating scene, and he was the best thing for me and asked them to help me realize such. Next thing, I received a 9 page letter saying that I had pain in my life, and I should accept him to help me overcome the things that apparently caused this in me from a young age.

:waitasec: :waitasec:

Well, I never responded. He called, I screened them and did not answer. Yep, it may have been not a nice break up.......BUT JEEEEEEEEEEEEEZUS!!!!!!! I now realize just today after seeing the below emails.....that folks sometimes want to just move in when you don't and that could lead to a dangerous dangerous situation.

Anywhoooooooooooo, this email being posted made me remember what happened that I had forgotten years ago. Yep....... cold ***** at the time, but I don't care...........ya need to nip in the bud when folks cross the line during a break up. Calling all my gal friends when he had only met them perhaps once or twice casually...and a letter of that length saying how I was damaged and needed his love to recover.........5 alarm fire in my mind that I had to put out!

(LOL, he talked about me lack of long term relationships....and he was going to my gal friends of 20 years+ to tell them, :floorlaugh

Anyway..........FLASHBACK TODAY!!!!!!!! of something I had forgotten about for years! A lesson to all the young adults perhaps is what may come of this. I don't have kids......but if I did....this would be an opportunity for a sit down, you bet your azzzzzzzzzzzzz!

 

[TotallyObsessed]

So, this is the first trial I've ever followed so closely. Did I just pick the wrong one to start with? Because this has been tedious!

Welcome. This is a good one to start with. You will be addicted. I am.

 

[seguek9]

I'm considering fftobed: myself and then getting up in the middle of the night.

I do believe you missed your afternoon nap....

(Told you ive been reading here for years

 

[Zeno49]

I honestly have NEVER seen a more inept elephantine lawyer than Nurmi.
I just cannot believe that he actually went to and passed a law school curriculum.
He comes across to me as nothing more than a stupid day laborer or ditch digger.
He is completely out of his element and is conducting a HORRIBLE defense.

 

[thistle]

LOL, all to be done in by a memory card. You dun goofed Jodi :fence:

& just think, she's had 4+ years to come up w/ her story, I'll bet she could cover any question anyone asks, as well as throwing out heinous stories about Travis-I believe she truly thinks that the jury will believe her, if she throws out enough extraneous info (sound like Jodi?)...I sincerely hope that the jury in AZ will be more conscientious than the one in Fl...

 

[nursebeeme]

New thread: door will close here in a few minutes.

Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #36 *may contain graphic and adult content* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

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[nanny1]

Why does JM get to jump in now?

Someone had to wake up the jury and the rest of us . :floorlaugh:

 

[greylover]

The bottom line here is that Jodi loved Travis to death.....

Literally.

And after all of these hours and hours of (mostly) useless drivel it all comes down to the fact that she just could not grasp that he did not want a future with her. It was all about sex. Maybe it could have been more but somehow her behavior while they actually were dating turned him off of her. In the end the mistake he made was continuing to engage with her after he ended the "official" relationship.

His friend who was just on JVM, said it right - she was like a drug and he was addicted. Such a shame that he didn't listen to his gut feeling that they would find him dead.

 

[KBisMe]

I'm back. I can see where it would seem that way. Actually, the opposite is true. We believe that with baptism and temple covenants, you make sacred promises to God. We believe you are accountable for those promises. When someone is excommunicated, it is a release from those covenants. Then, if they want to come back, they are given the opportunity to be rebaptized to take on those promises/responsibilities again.

Someone asked how I felt about Travis in light of what we have heard. My view is complex because I am also an attorney who represents families with kids who have his history. Being raised in a meth lab home for the first ten years is something you never get over. If you do not get love in your first 0-3 years from a caregiver, it is difficult to make up for the deficits which can occur. Often, in these kids, we see sexual behavior as a way to feel loved and attached. Since they may be afraid of the emotional commitment (because they were neglected or hurt when young), they may be much more comfortable with physical gratification as a means of meeting their need to be loved. As a result, these kids often have a much higher rate of sexual promiscuity regardless of religious faith.

Having said that, church is a hospital for sinners. I am one. He was leading a double life (my guess is that it would not have been popular in the predominantly Mormon/PPL world to be messing around to the extent he was - so from a sales perspective, it was probably smart to play the role of the 30 year old virgin). He was not living the covenants he had made. It appears he also apparently lied to his nice girlfriends about what he was doing.

If I was the mama of one of those girls, I'd be all over him - grin!

But, as a fellow Mormon, I would have loved him. I also would have welcomed Jodi into my home. I would have supported them in any way I could - even after knowing what they were doing. We all know the road they were on is not the road to happiness. Both of them appear younger than their chronological ages in many respects (I'd like to know her history). I would have done anything I could do to help both of them.

Now that Travis is gone, how do I feel? Sad. Knowing how he loved his siblings, I know he would not want for them to go through this. I am sure his heart must ache for all they are going through. He never would have wanted this for them.

But, aside from his family, how do I feel about what he did? We have a saying in the country regarding electric fences (that keep cattle in) - there are two kinds of people - some who believe you when you say the fence is hot and others who need to lick it before they will believe you.

What I am trying to say is there are many in the LDS faith who make it to marriage and have honored the law of chastity. There are also many who, for some reason, took another path. At the end of the day, many close to me have become great leaders in the church after they have gone on forbidden paths and felt the power of Christ's atonement and repentance. In fact, some of the strongest members/leaders I know have walked that road. They KNOW the power of the atonement and they have powerful testimonies. They would never recommend the road, but they are beautiful at helping others back on the path because they have been there themselves.

Travis never got to finish his life. He never got to decide if he wanted to repent or go see his bishop. We don't know the end and we can't judge. What we do know is that he was trying to get away from Jodi (the reason she killed him). What would another year or six months have brought? With his beautiful spirit and all he had overcome, I believe that without Jodi in his life, he would have been strong again in whatever he wanted.

Having said that, Travis was beautiful no matter what. He was and is a son of God. He was and is precious to his Father in Heaven. The greatest sadness I have is that his beautiful life was not preserved long enough to find out the great things he would do. JA was a detour in his life. She was not his life. He had great things to accomplish - inside the Church, as well as outside. I would have loved to see him have that chance.

In the end, I just have a special place in my heart for kids like Travis. I have seen the load they carry - they smile and laugh, but they have to overcome alot. I am proud of all that he accomplished. Given his history, I am not at all surprised by the things we have learned. I only feel pain that he did not get the opportunity to continue to fight and grow and become. I am sure we hadn't seen anything yet.

Just my two cents, for what they are worth.

Wow, that was beautiful. I had tears in my eyes by the time I finished reading it.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

So according to Beth K. the juror who sits closet to Jodi in the jury box never looks at Jodi she looks straight ahead. Good to know that at least we know for certain one juror has Jodi's number.

I wonder if she's a mother with a son?

 

[seguek9]

So it looks like she tried to pull a fast one.

*Tried*....and failed (miserably MOO):moo:

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Oh crap..... :-(

Well depending on how it's read (but I feel that I never got the proper "credit" or recognition I deserved as your girlfriend. You say it was because you are a ____ [private?] person. You say it was because of Deanna. You say it was because you were rather attached to the reputation of being a single, eligible bachelor.) it also could show Travis didn't credit Jodi for work she contributed; he was more worried about another woman's feelings than his girlfriend;he was more attached to his image than treating Jodi with respect; he treated her like a shameful secret.

Now, I'm not saying any of the letter is a true representation of Travis' feelings. We all know Jodi is a liar, I'm only suggesting that if read a certain way, it only takes one juror to feel sorry for Jodi.

IMO

I've never believed she'll get the DP, but I could be wrong. I think the jury will perhaps look at this more like a crime of passion MOO. But I also believe they will NOT let her walk away from it. Dirty little secret or not, she could have left that situation at any time. I'm sure Juan will bring that home during cross, and in his closing statement.

I always go back to the 1,000 miles, and the sheer brutality of the crime. It brings me back to center, and is the only thing keeping me sane and grounded through this tedious defense testimony. I can't even fathom how the DT will try to show that she "knew" if she didn't travel all that way on THAT day...he would kill her first. It is beyond my comprehension, and I have to believe the jurors will think the same way.

Will she get the needle? My guess is no. But she WILL spend the rest of her miserable existence answering to Joe Arpaio. That will be enough for me. Life.....no chance of parole......sing them Christmas carols to your heart's content Jodi. You can be a "star" with your prison buddies. Seems she has a fan club going already, but let her cross one of them and see how she fares. Maybe she can write a book - 1,001 Places to Get the Smack Down in Prison.

 

[Curious Me]

Grrrowl...blown margins.

Jodi cracked me up though when she clarified her sister is not stupid, after all, but was just an alcoholic drug additct that had an abusive boyfriend. Her sister was not really stupid, huh?

It was probably just a string of bad choices disease that the sister caught from Jodi.

 

[seguek9]

"Where's the beef?"--NG.....

First time I ever cheered for Nancy...yikes!

ETA: had to fix an autocorrect.......

 

[lil_buddy]

Grrrowl...blown margins.

Jodi cracked me up though when she clarified her sister is not stupid, after all, but was just an alcoholic drug additct that had an abusive boyfriend. My sister was not really stupid, huh?

Yeah - sister was not dumb enough to murder her bf and take pics of the whole thing.

Kudos.

 

[MsCharlieChan]

OMG: Nancy Grace just said "her bootie hole." What is happening on national TV, I ask you?!!

This trial has everyone watching it swimming in the toilet -- like a piece of used toilet paper. Oh darn, now there "I" go, talking all Pollyanna! lol

 

[Lissa]

and on their honeymoon he asked her,,how did that make you feel

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[paperwing]

Its interesting (Imo) how Joey Jackson and Dr. Drew have changed their tunes....

Well, I know Joey Jackson was recently hired (like last week) as an 'official' HLN/IS analyst, not just a guest.

I've always liked JJackson for some reason, even though he's a defense lawyer. I think he sees nothing to defend here - and I think the same is true with Dr. Drew. That's rare... in fact I've heard several pro-defense guests not toe the defense line... I guess because they can't.

It's really noticeable.

I like JJackson even more now. Have JJackson and Mark Eiglarsh (sp?) co-host a show in JVM's/NG's or DP's slot and I would be over the moon...

 

[Harmony 2]

Closing the door....

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