Caylee Anthony 3 year old General discussion #99

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JBean said:
Oh you pill! If LE wasn't looking at the car as evidence why would Cindy think the pants were of consequence? Remember Suzi she cleaned them prior to knowing anything .
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Because she smelled the car and the pants before she called 911. I would assume that the smell she smelled when she retreived the pants was the reason for the dead body comment to 911. :blowkiss:
 
What I am getting at is this...could it be that the both dogs were "set up" to make it appear to be a hit on the trunk in order for either Casey, Cindy, or George to come out with statements to refute the "fake evidence" which would crack this case?
 
SWAG1959 said:
That the officer that found the note didn't smell what would have been a noticable odor and subsequently note it seems odd. that's all I was getting at. I'm dazed and confused like the rest of us.
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Me too Swag.
 
McSev said:
I get amazed because I've seen those kinds of dogs work in terrible disasters and they're wonderful.

What you're trying to explain is that in these types of instances as far as the law is concerned, there has to be other evidence to corroborate. That's true, but the definition of what that evidence may be is very loosely defined, and the dogs hitting can be used as a basis for a case as it was in the bond hearing for Casey.

Also, I am suspect of the story that the family has told about the day the dogs came and the inconsistencies they profess to have noted. It's procedural in many juristictions that they called the 2nd handler and dog in to verify for the 1st, and this is a common practice in law enforcement and the execution of each dog is performed sequentually. I don't know if you folks know or not, but the way that the handlers and dogs are notified of their participation is very selective as well, so as not to influence the handler or the dog prior to the search.
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As far as I'm concerned if there is no body the hit was an error unless there is DNA evidence and I would never convict anyone only on the dogs hit.
 
If someone finds Caylee alive or dead, will the dogs really matter?
 
RoseRed said:
No it is not one of those cases as there were no bones found.

I just get tired of the dogs are always right when they are not proof if other evidence is not found. Just because they hit on an area it does not prove that a body has been there. We keep seeing but how do you explain the dogs hitting? Well I am trying to explain that the dogs are not proof alone but there must be other evidence also. I a, amazed so many people think that just because a dog hits it is absolute proof but it is not.
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Hey, Rose :) I think had it been one dog and nothing else pointing to a dead body having been in those spots, people wouldn't feel as strongly about it. Of course, there's still a chance the testing will come back negative, but I think the stain, smell of decomp, lies by Casey and TWO dogs having hit in the same spots makes it more likely than not that they are probably accurate in this particular case.

At any rate, I'd put my faith in those dogs' noses way before I would put faith in any story from Casey. I would love for the testing to be negative and for the dogs to have been wrong -- that might mean Caylee is still alive. But, given everything else, they probably aren't wrong.

I do understand, though, that it takes a lot more than a couple of dogs smelling decomp to successfully prosecute a case (as well it should). If Caylee is gone and it's because of Casey, let's just hope there's enough evidence (whatever the type) that justice can be served.
 
gibby207 said:
McSev: Are you saying that the dog and handler don't even know each other prior to the search? (Please remember that I'm a newbie...go easy....:)
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No problem, noob :)

This is the way it works in most cases involving cadaver dog searches are which specified under search warrant scenarios:

1. Depending on LE local policy, 2 sets of dogs and their handlers are told about 12 hours in advance there will be a search warrant executed for cadaver search. They are told to show up at an appointed time to be escorted to where the search is taking place. 1st dog and handler know each other, 2nd dog and handler know each other, but both sets of dogs and handlers may not even be acquainted.

2. Dogs and handler show up at LE offices. First dog and handler set is transported to the location and search commences, results documented.

3. Usually, 2nd dog and handler stay at LE offices until summoned via radio for their search. They are then escorted from LE to the search location and search executes and results recorded.
 
SuziQ said:
Actually Casey said it was where ZG lived in years past. And LE knew that was a lie because a 26year old woman could not have lived there if it was Senior housing.
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I believe she said ZG lived there with her Mother Gloria. A poster on this board found a Gloria G living on that same street about a mile away but LE was not interested in that information.
 
SuziQ said:
Because she smelled the car and the pants before she called 911. I would assume that the smell she smelled when she retreived the pants was the reason for the dead body comment to 911. :blowkiss:
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I think the smell didn't mean anything to her UNTIL she coupled it with the information that the baby was gone. You can almost hear her putting 2 and 2 together during the phone call.
I think she is innocent in washing those pants.

But then again I am an IDI so I dont get any respect.:cool:
 
absolut said:
As much as they spin and talk, Cindy, George and Lee may be the only 3 people on the planet that loved Caylee before July 15th, 2008. The lack by effort on anyone who knows this child in the Orlando area is pathetic. Perfect strangers who met on a message board have now searched, a psychic from Ohio has searched, a bail bondsman and his bounty hunter uncle from California are flying in just to see if a change in tactics can break the BS, and still the people who would have known Casey's routine day in and day out, outside of Cindy's house remain quiet. I don't mean a press tour, I mean being the voice of Caylee. Even Clint while great for feeding the media machine isn't looking for Caylee. NO ONE IS OUTRAGED.
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I have to agree with this.

Where is everybody who knows this baby? They don't have to do a Holly (please), but this silence across the board is really weird. Has the family not reached out, have they not reached out, have the cops told them to stay away, what?

The quieter they are, the more it looks like not one of them believes that Caylee is still alive.
 
SWAG1959 said:
That the officer that found the note didn't smell what would have been a noticable odor and subsequently note it seems odd. that's all I was getting at. I'm dazed and confused like the rest of us.
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Could it be that the source of the odor and the worst part of it were contained in the trunk, and since Cindy said they had aired out the car, that some of the things weren't so stinky by that point?
 
Sherbie said:
Hey, Rose :) I think had it been one dog and nothing else pointing to a dead body having been in those spots, people wouldn't feel as strongly about it. Of course, there's still a chance the testing will come back negative, but I think the stain, smell of decomp, lies by Casey and TWO dogs having hit in the same spots makes it more likely than not that they are probably accurate in this particular case.

At any rate, I'd put my faith in those dogs' noses way before I would put faith in any story from Casey. I would love for the testing to be negative and for the dogs to have been wrong -- that might mean Caylee is still alive. But, given everything else, they probably aren't wrong.

I do understand, though, that it takes a lot more than a couple of dogs smelling decomp to successfully prosecute a case. If Caylee is gone and it's because of Casey, let's just hope there's enough evidence (whatever the type) that justice can be served.
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Agreed, no one wants to see how maddening it is to have to believe in a babysitter or a kidnapper when Casey is the one telling you.
 
SWAG1959 said:
About the car and the "stink". Didn't George admit that he knew what it was and that it was so bad he had to drive home with the windows down and his head out the window?
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Yes. IIRC he did. So, we have 3 separate dogs indicating decomposition smell, George stating he recognized the smell and it was so bad he had to drive with the windows down, Cindy stating in the 911 call that the car smelled like a damned body had been in it and Cindy stating that Casey's pants, taken from the car had the same smell as the car and that is why she washed them. So, we have five separate evidence items showing a decomposition smell is involved in this case. Then we have the kidnapping story solely from Casey, supposedly a habitual liar. We have later sightings from various members of the public as expressed through Cindy; none verified.
 
Law is hard........ lol

So, RoseRed, if there is absolutely no evidence but DNA, blood and fluids, etc., and the dogs hitting, it would be pretty difficult to convict ay? My whole issue with the thing is that the body may never be found....the thing that worries me the most....what would happen then?

I find it hard to believe that the LE believes her parents and that they will pursue the kidnapping theory but....
 
Yes, Absolut. The dogs would help to prove the body was in Casey's car at one time which would help to connect Casey to her murder. It would not connect her outright, but would add another piece to the puzzle.
 
SuziQ said:
Yes. We were just debating on when the car became important to the case vs. how long it took LE to take it as evidence. In the process we noticed there was no mention of the smell in the affidavit, even though the first responding officer found a note in the car. When and what date the officer found the note is not stated. Grrrrrrr. Doesn't LE know we need these details?
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I think they purposly left a few details out of the affidavit. The lead detective testified the car smelled like a dead body. Someone earlier was looking for the link. Here's all the testimony's at the bond hearing.
Cindy's Testimony

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/M....jsp?contentId=7039126&version=1&locale=EN-US


George's Testimony

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/M....jsp?contentId=7038761&version=1&locale=EN-US


Lee's Testimony

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/M....jsp?contentId=7038932&version=1&locale=EN-US


Detective's Testimony


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/M....jsp?contentId=7039465&version=1&locale=EN-US



Search Warrant


http://media.myfoxorlando.com/documents/080708_Anthony_Home_Search_Warrant.pdf
 
RoseRed said:
As far as I'm concerned if there is no body the hit was an error unless there is DNA evidence and I would never convict anyone only on the dogs hit.
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Most definitely they'd need DNA evidence to support the dog hits. If they don't have the DNA, the jury would naturally question what it was the dogs hit on.
 
JBean said:
I think the smell didn't mean anything to her UNTIL she coupled it with the information that the baby was gone. You can almost hear her putting 2 and 2 together during the phone call.
I think she is innocent in washing those pants.

But then again I am an IDI so I dont get any respect.:cool:
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What is an IDI?! Hey...I respect you, JBean. I just don't agree with you is all. LOL However, I will give you the pants.
 
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