Ron. C. #13

atherella said:

BBM

(First bold) Regarding the doctor appointment that Crystal did not take Junior to on December 27th, the date of the rescheduled court hearing- HOW was Ron to know that the hearing was going to be rescheduled on that date? IIRC, that appointment was with a specialist, a cardiologist. Those appointments are generally made MONTHS in advance.

The Court hearing for the 27th was scheduled only 2 weeks prior on December 13th after Crystal skipped (per Atty. Picazio) the first hearing.

So, it's not as if Ron knew there would be a hearing that day when he scheduled Junior's doctor appointment. The original hearing was scheduled on December 1st, 2005. That is the date that Ron probably avoided when scheduling the appointment. The 27th fell during Crystal's custodial time - why didn't SHE reschedule the doctor appointment? Or, alternatively, why not return Junior early and let Ron take Junior like he offered?

(Second bold) How do we know that there were really 12 doctor's visits missed? We have the court transcript. Ron entered into evidence an exhibit from the doctor showing the missed appointments.

From custody docs:

Ron submitted something into evidence. Crystal had a chance to review the evidence and did not object. She said she did miss the appointments. I would suggest that is the proof you requested.

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doobiedoo52 said:

And according to the document section posted--all 12 appointments were between Feb 2004 and Sept 2005. Crystal left in Sept of 2005 and filed an injunction for protection at that time. So every one of the appointments missed was during the time they were still together. She had no drivers license until after she left--she was 20 when she got her license according to KP. Yes, the appointments were missed, but obviously RC knew she had no license when they were together and someone should have been lined up to drive her. I can't help but think equal blame here--JMO

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Busylady said:

Not that it really matters but RC and Crystal were not living together when all the appointments were missed in addition to Crystal herself stating she just didnt want to get out of bed sometimes as a reason for some of the appointments being missed.

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So are you telling me the above posts are not true?

Ok, in this video w/clips from the vigil ...

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21928759/index.html

GGMS asked the news crew ahead of time NOT to approach Ronald, as it was still too hard for him and with Christmas right around the corner with his baby girl still missing...
It has been 10 mths. ,and Ronald has GGMS still running interference for him???!!! .....Put your BIG BOY PANTS on Ronald!

I have no doubt that it's hard, as I have lost a child and I never believed that whatever happened to HaLeigh was intentional, so I do not doubt that Ron loves HaLeigh with all his heart...
but c'mon, Ronald you can not hide forever. IF you are as innocent as you say you are..WTH Are You Running From Dude??!! Speak Up! Speak Out! You are a grown man! Where is Your Heart?! If you truly don't know?!
Someone needs to tell him it ain't about him..it's about HaLeigh! He can not even talk to the news at his daughters vigil! WHY?! I'm sorry..I know people will think that I am picking this vigil apart, just because it's RONALD and maybe I am..because I'm tired of Ronald, I want to know where HaLeigh is and I guess I want Ronald to pretend that he wants to know to, but he can't ....imo because he already knows.:furious: And I wonder why he is sweating such bullets?..I know this sound awful, but this news thingy and video clip just..just..:furious:..nevermind..


I know when it's time to log off and I do believe that it is that time..nite all..

Whisperer said:

This entire case makes more sense if Haleigh was not at school that day. I don't like the photocopy of the record at all. It definitely looks doctored. What a coincidence on the day she disappears the record appears smudged.

There is a possiblility that somebody received the offical school record and smudged it. I know there are legitimate conincidences but not with crime, imo.

I would like to know what the excuse was for haleigh being absent two days in the previous week.

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Whisperer said:

It also appears that somebody typed in the totals with explanation at the bottom. What gives this away is the added and typed in "AND ON TIME" to the record. The entire record is carboned and then it looks like the bottom part was typed in later and done to explain the E's, U's and T's...

I have never seen a school record say that. It is not protocol at all as there is a place for tardy. It appears someone was trying to make a case for the public as to hom many days she showed up on time. I don't like what I am seeing here. The type is different also. I will leave room for error on my part buy I am sharing my impressions. My impression is a doctored / amended school record.

Sure wish we could get some legitimate facts. Is it a fact that the bus driver and teacher were interviewed right away or did they have to do some recalling backwards. We have never heard them interviewed either. In stranger abductions we hear these people right away. LE knew for certain this was no abduction..imo.

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hey whips :whip:

After carefully scrutinizing I do not attribute anything ominous to the attendance record--other than the frequency of absences of course--ie do not believe the record to have been altered. First, that would have entailed also altering all Feb. totals to the right (under columns for Absences, Tardies etc). Secondly, 'typefaced' (vs computerized) entry, emphasizing "Present--and on time" eg re which you're skeptical I believe may be merely an effort by school district on this form to anticipate confusion by parents ie to clarify that days on which child attends but is tardy won't be counted as "Present." It's clear some portions are the standardized form, or grid, w add'l info entered specific to each school year, and each individual child which I feel accounts for the discrepancy in appearance. And which, when taken in conjunction w confirmation by parents at bus stop (whom I don't believe were confused re day), and bus driver (which we were given early on or seen at least by me) do not convince me otherwise. It would be simpler if it did, ie timeline would be less restrictive. However, given these factors, I am confident w/e happened to Haleigh occurred some time after 3:30 pm--but that's as far as I'll go. JMO

arrot:

I do understand what you are saying, but I guess I look at it a bit differently. It makes no difference what RC says in the media his appearance and his words are picked apart relentlessly. Or it is said he is just talking to media to make himself look good etc. This vigil was about Haleigh and only Haleigh, for family and friends to join together to comfort one another and to pray for Haleigh's return. It wasn't about answering questions to the media. There are vigils held on a regular basis, I believe this one was publicized so that locals that wanted to join in pray for Haleigh felt like they were invited to GGMS home to do so, I don't believe it was publicized for a media op. I can't imagine being in any of Haleighs families shoes anyday of the week, let alone with Christmas coming up. My heart breaks for them all. JMO

Pondering Mind said:

Ok, in this video w/clips from the vigil ...

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21928759/index.html

GGMS asked the news crew ahead of time NOT to approach Ronald, as it was still too hard for him and with Christmas right around the corner with his baby girl still missing...
It has been 10 mths. ,and Ronald has GGMS still running interference for him???!!! .....Put your BIG BOY PANTS on Ronald!

I have no doubt that it's hard, as I have lost a child and I never believed that whatever happened to HaLeigh was intentional, so I do not doubt that Ron loves HaLeigh with all his heart...
but c'mon, Ronald you can not hide forever. IF you are as innocent as you say you are..WTH Are You Running From Dude??!! Speak Up! Speak Out! You are a grown man! Where is Your Heart?! If you truly don't know?!
Someone needs to tell him it ain't about him..it's about HaLeigh! He can not even talk to the news at his daughters vigil! WHY?! I'm sorry..I know people will think that I am picking this vigil apart, just because it's RONALD and maybe I am..because I'm tired of Ronald, I want to know where HaLeigh is and I guess I want Ronald to pretend that he wants to know to, but he can't ....imo because he already knows.:furious: And I wonder why he is sweating such bullets?..I know this sound awful, but this news thingy and video clip just..just..:furious:..nevermind..


I know when it's time to log off and I do believe that it is that time..nite all..

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Baxter said:

So are you telling me the above posts are not true?

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No. I was defending the post. This whole discussion started around post 1111 which said the appts missed were after RC & CS separated. The post with the transcript simply proves that this is not true. That's where this whole thing started and to me, the transcript proves that the appts were all during the time R & C were together--simply by the dates. I was just saying it supports what I said.

Busylady said:

I do understand what you are saying, but I guess I look at it a bit differently. It makes no difference what RC says in the media his appearance and his words are picked apart relentlessly. Or it is said he is just talking to media to make himself look good etc. This vigil was about Haleigh and only Haleigh, for family and friends to join together to comfort one another and to pray for Haleigh's return. It wasn't about answering questions to the media. There are vigils held on a regular basis, I believe this one was publicized so that locals that wanted to join in pray for Haleigh felt like they were invited to GGMS home to do so, I don't believe it was publicized for a media op. I can't imagine being in any of Haleighs families shoes anyday of the week, let alone with Christmas coming up. My heart breaks for them all. JMO

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oh Busy, I wish I shared your optimism, I truly do..I agree that people are going to pick everything apart (not just re: Ron, but family, friends, neighbors, just about everyone in Satsuma and beyond it seems) but they are already doing that anyway..we (WS) are proof of that.

While I understand what you are saying, please keep in mind that when I am watching that video, I see someone that I firmly believe knows exactly what happened to HaLeigh, so in my mind he is allowing this (IF TRUE) to continue and prolonging the agony of those that love HaLeigh as well. I know you don't believe that to be the case, so I realize that we are seeing this video from 2 different viewpoints. I also think that the only thing worse than having lost a child would be the 'not knowing'..THAT I can't imagine, but again I believe that he knows and IF he does and is allowing this to go on anyway, it's liable to send GGMS (and other family members on both sides) over the edge all the while (imo only) hiding behind GGMS...That's infuriating to me..and jmo..:crazy:

Honestly though, I can't understand why Ron is not speaking out if he is innocent, having been 10 mths. now (still devastating nevertheless, especially for those that don't know what happened to her, no doubt) but not like this nightmare just happened, not raw. Even when it was, he wasn't too upset to get tattooed, married, etc, so I just don't understand why he is letting GGMS do the talking for him STILL? It just flies in the face of everything I have ever seen an innocent person do. I just don't understand it, he's a grown man and if he is an innocent grown man then he needs to shout it out and plead for HaLeigh every chance he gets. But he doesn't, so it makes me wonder...is it because GGMS won't let him or because he doesn't want to? And if he doesn't want to, why not? What is he afraid of? Nothing could be worse than what has already happened. He says he wants to keep HaLeighs face and name in the news and doesn't care what people say, so while I realize it was a vigil for HaLeigh, why wouldn't he speak to her in case she can hear him IF he truly believes that she is alive and out there somewhere? If anyone asks him anything more specific he could say "no comment" all by himself, or just not answer. I'm not understanding the apparent 'need' for such protection. It would have been nice to hear him read that poem that either GGMS or TH wrote for HaLeigh and as much as I hate to say it (cause I know it will come out wrong ) my heart did break for GGMS when her voice started to crack with real emotion and I would like to hear something like that from Ron..anything to make me believe even for a second that I may be wrong about him, instead I become more and more convinced I'm not sadly... all just my humble honest opinion only..



Does none of that ever make you ponder Busy? You've followed alot of different cases, do you believe that I'm seeing something that's not there?

It also states appts were rescheduled. Crystal is more than willing to take the blame and rc is more than willing to blame her.

I have never seen anyone offer up the fact that she could have had post-partum. I have no sympathy for ron cummings. One day he will get what is coming to him from all the things he has done to the mothe of his children, his children and any woman that is unfortunate enought to cross his path. He is a narcissist and co-dependents are like magnets for them.

I do not know what Crystal was going through after the birth of Jr....but whatever it was, it may have been serious enough for ron to take over. If she was an addict then he should have taken the children to the appts and not go to a courtroom and tell the judge she is not capable of taking care of children. A 22 yr old immature man/child who has no idea how to care for a child is awarded custody and most of this decision was based on the fact that he already had possession of them.

I am geting tired of the constant defending this p#@$#. I don't think I can be swayed from my opinion that he was not capable of handling two children in diapers nor would want to. This was an idea of his mother or granny because no 22 yr. old man is going to take this on, especially not one like ron cummings.

We have seen the result of his parenting style; yet we haven't seen the end. What ever happened to DCF and their decision. Can I assume he still gets to keep jr? Is that because he lives at Grannys? Why doesn't he EVER live on his own.

Yes, I think it is important to know when r and c separated and yes, I think it is important to know where and how oftern ron moved with those kids....as all these things give us a better picture of him. There is no evidence of his involvement but there is evidence of his gross negligence and instability.

Pondering, IMHO..Ron C is not innocent. I also fully realize Haleigh being gone is and must be devastating to ALL of them, but I can't get past their manipulative tactics to feel a whole lot of sympathy for any of them...And I doubt I will ever be able to unless they STOP enabling him and demand that he tell the truth..And IF he refuses to do so, then they should no matter what the consequences are...JMO

Emeralgem said:

Pondering, IMHO..Ron C is not innocent. I also fully realize Haleigh being gone is and must be devastating to ALL of them, but I can't get past their manipulative tactics to feel a whole lot of sympathy for any of them...And I doubt I will ever be able to unless they STOP enabling him and demand that he tell the truth..And IF he refuses to do so, then they should no matter what the consequences are...JMO

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Emeral, I agree! I am hoping that is what is happening....it may not be. I hope for HaLeigh's sake that they want the truth no matter what and that maybe Ron and Misty truly did have them kerfuzzled. You know you really do want to believe your children (especially I imagine when it involves the disappearance of your granddaughter) you can't fathom that they (he) would be lying....maybe just maybe they will take the blinders off, if that's what has happened. For HaLeigh's sake, I hope that don't pull an 'Anthony' and protect Ron/Misty (of course the only reason I believe they would protect Misty is if in doing so they are protecting Ron) at the expense of justice for HaLeigh...

eta~ work with me chica, I'm trying to quit being so cynical, lol! :banghead:

Pondering some of the things you mentioned do make me ponder. I have spent hours and hours going thru complete custody court documents, arrest records, job history etc for RC and Crystal so I know alot of what is mentioned about RC and Crystal on these threads is just not true. While people continue to throw out there he didnt work much, he didnt live alone, he shoved his kids off on GGMS, he abused Crystal etc just are not true. I also know who he was with during his drug arrest so it gives me a clearer picture of that situation (not saying he isnt responsible as well for the drugs but just maybe he was trying to turn his life around after separating from Crystal). Because of this info my opinion on RC and Crystal is different than some others opinions. So when I view videos of him I don't see him as some evil, abusive villian. I firmly believe RC fought for his children and did the best he could do to provide for them. Does this mean he made the right decisions heck no it doesn't.

I don't agree with the wedding, but I do believe he thought he would get some answers by marrying Misty. I think RC, TN and GGMS learned alot of things about Misty that they did not know about originally. I don't buy the he married Misty so he wouldn't go to jail for stat rape, being married doesnt stop that charge. I don't buy he married Misty to keep her quiet, if that was the case he wouldn't of divorced her.

I am not in their shoes, but I do believe I would of handled the entire thing differently than RC and Crystal have. RC is not doing the media stuff about Haleigh now and Crystal never has. Crystal did media about child abuse and raising donations, RC did initally try to keep focus on Haleigh and then he avoided media entirely. While RC was out getting tattoos Crystal was out getting her nails done, shopping, and getting her hair done. While RC was out getting married Crystal was "playing" around. RC has lied and Crystal has lied. Would I have done those things heck no, but I do believe they both love Haleigh and doing those things do not take away from that fact. I also remind myself on a daily basis that their lifestyles, education, and resources are very different than mine. So what I may see as not normal is very normal to them.

I can't make RC doing anything to Haleigh fit the timeline at all. No time to harm her and no time to dispose of her no matter how you twist it it just doesnt fit. I can't buy into some big conspiracy theory of TN, GGMS covering for RC. I do not think they know what happened to Haleigh and I do believe they are holding out hope that Haleigh is still alive.

What I wonder about is those that just disappeared basically without another word, Croslin stories changing, Amber and Misty's history, Croslin family dynamics just to name a few.

I don't think you are way off in your thinking at all Pondering we just see things differently for different reasons and that isn't a bad thing at all. Your post make me think, I take the time to read them and give them alot of thought.

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oh Busy, I wish I shared your optimism, I truly do..I agree that people are going to pick everything apart (not just re: Ron, but family, friends, neighbors, just about everyone in Satsuma and beyond it seems) but they are already doing that anyway..we (WS) are proof of that.


Does none of that ever make you ponder Busy? You've followed alot of different cases, do you believe that I'm seeing something that's not there?

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Sorry to say they have already pulled the Anthony maneurvers. Did you catch the baby doll on Maury? I thought it was Caylee's momma doll.. They are now in the "convince them she is alive" part and working on the private investigator and a foundation to help the cost of hiring investigators.

I am getting tired of all this. Wouldn't be if rc had cooperated and TN didn't constantly cry on camera. The fact that this has turned into a Grandmother's Plight again is making a case for an Anthony lookalike. Why can't rc speak? I am not buying his grief carp either. He is hiding. We have been told he does not talk to LE. Look at his behavior...this is him MO. I get the impression he hates LE; however, he will use them when he wants to press charges or file complaints. That reminds me...he did speak recently. He called LE and filed a complaint because Timmy called him a name...FAB as I recall.

Yes, Busy, we are aware that you have sources in the area as you told us so. If you read the documents and still come across as buying that rc who had just turned 22 when given custody was mature and responsibile and able to deal with two kids in diapers, one being an infant, than I think that your reasoning may be tainted by what you have been told.

From the start, I know that the theory was Marie and Crystal are in this together and I think that conclusion may have been reached due to your connections. I am aware that you most likely and hopefully have changed that theory.

I could be wrong but you seem like a reasonable woman and I don't understand how you defend rc and his fatherhood and his abilities to raise children given what you know. He is unstable, imo and his a very bad temper.

Since when does marrying a child not get you off the hook for statutory rape? If that is the case then many exwives could go to court and file those charges. As I understand the law, marriage places the minor into adult status due to the legal binding and the approval of the parents of the child. Please explain this aspect because it is very interesting. It implies that RC can still face stat rape charges.

Busylady said:

I can't make RC doing anything to Haleigh fit the timeline at all. No time to harm her and no time to dispose of her no matter how you twist it it just doesnt fit. I can't buy into some big conspiracy theory of TN, GGMS covering for RC. I do not think they know what happened to Haleigh and I do believe they are holding out hope that Haleigh is still alive.

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(snip, bbm) Disagree. Even if we were able to verify RC's precise work hours--even then this is hardly a rock solid alibi as others could have assisted in a cover-up, or had she been brought to PDM eg. And I agree w nms... that when TN and RC share their sorrow, I sense the two seem genuinely to be grieving someone they know for a fact isn't coming back. There can be genuine grief, under false pretenses... IOW deceptive circumstances. JMO

arrot:

Sorry Whisper but my reasoning isn't tainted by anything I have been told regards to RC being responsible enough to take care of his children. I have read the full custody documents not just what is online and I can see no other way the judge could of ruled, he had a choice between Crystal and RC. I believe a man is just as capable of raising children as a woman is.

My theory of Marie being involved from the beginning has nothing to do with anything anyone told me, I didn't have any sources at the time I developed that theory. It was based strictly on history, actions, opportunity and her relationship with her daughter. As I did gather sources it did strengthen that theory. I never thought Crystal was involved in the actual plan.

You call it defending RC, I call it looking at the facts. Also just because I don't agree with your line of thinking does not mean I am not a reasonable woman. There are alot of parents out there that I don't agree with their parenting styles but does not mean they should not have custody of their children. The facts we have are RC worked to provide for his children, he had a home, he was reported time and time again for abuse by the mother of the children and time and time again no abuse was found, he has not had drug charges since 2005. Does he make bad choices in partners yes he does, but we sure would be removing alot of children from homes if we removed children because of partners people picked. Is RC someone I would want my daughter to be with, no but that also doesn't give me the right to say he should not have custody of his children. If there was any evidence other than rumors, that RC beat his children, that he is a drug dealer, that he is doing drugs in front of his children, that he neglected the children in anyway then I would look at those facts and feel differently. I will also admit when I look at the option of Crystal having custody it confirms for me that RC was the best choice whether it was an ideal choice or not.

If they have evidence that Misty and RC slept together before married (yes I know common sense says they did, but they would have to prove it in court of law) then yes they can charge him with stat even if they got married. Here are just a few examples of stat rape charges being filed even after the marriage. Misty isn't preg so it would be really tough for the court to prove that RC and Misty engaged in sex before the marriage.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=1121138&page=1
http://www.womensenews.org/story/the-courts/070607/age-consent-muddles-law-marriage-vs-rape
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/man_charged_with_statutory_rap.html

Whisperer said:

Yes, Busy, we are aware that you have sources in the area as you told us so. If you read the documents and still come across as buying that rc who had just turned 22 when given custody was mature and responsibile and able to deal with two kids in diapers, one being an infant, than I think that your reasoning may be tainted by what you have been told.

From the start, I know that the reasoing was Marie and Crystal are in this together and I think that conclusion may have been reached due to your connections. I could be wrong but you seem like a reasonable woman and I don't understand how you defend rc and his fatherhood and his abilities to raise children given what you know.

Since when does marrying a child not get you off the hook for statutory rape? If that is the case then many exwives could go to court and file those charges. As I understand the law, marriage places the minor into adult status due to the legal binding and the approval of the parents of the child. Please explain this aspect because it is very interesting. It implies that RC can still face stat rape charges.

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doobiedoo52 said:

No. I was defending the post. This whole discussion started around post 1111 which said the appts missed were after RC & CS separated. The post with the transcript simply proves that this is not true. That's where this whole thing started and to me, the transcript proves that the appts were all during the time R & C were together--simply by the dates. I was just saying it supports what I said.

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I agree with you. I was quoting Busy, who stated they where not living together.

Busylady said:

Pondering some of the things you mentioned do make me ponder. I have spent hours and hours going thru complete custody court documents, arrest records, job history etc for RC and Crystal so I know alot of what is mentioned about RC and Crystal on these threads is just not true. While people continue to throw out there he didnt work much, he didnt live alone, he shoved his kids off on GGMS, he abused Crystal etc just are not true. I also know who he was with during his drug arrest so it gives me a clearer picture of that situation (not saying he isnt responsible as well for the drugs but just maybe he was trying to turn his life around after separating from Crystal). Because of this info my opinion on RC and Crystal is different than some others opinions. So when I view videos of him I don't see him as some evil, abusive villian. I firmly believe RC fought for his children and did the best he could do to provide for them. Does this mean he made the right decisions heck no it doesn't.

I don't agree with the wedding, but I do believe he thought he would get some answers by marrying Misty. I think RC, TN and GGMS learned alot of things about Misty that they did not know about originally. I don't buy the he married Misty so he wouldn't go to jail for stat rape, being married doesnt stop that charge. I don't buy he married Misty to keep her quiet, if that was the case he wouldn't of divorced her.

I am not in their shoes, but I do believe I would of handled the entire thing differently than RC and Crystal have. RC is not doing the media stuff about Haleigh now and Crystal never has. Crystal did media about child abuse and raising donations, RC did initally try to keep focus on Haleigh and then he avoided media entirely. While RC was out getting tattoos Crystal was out getting her nails done, shopping, and getting her hair done. While RC was out getting married Crystal was "playing" around. RC has lied and Crystal has lied. Would I have done those things heck no, but I do believe they both love Haleigh and doing those things do not take away from that fact. I also remind myself on a daily basis that their lifestyles, education, and resources are very different than mine. So what I may see as not normal is very normal to them.

I can't make RC doing anything to Haleigh fit the timeline at all. No time to harm her and no time to dispose of her no matter how you twist it it just doesnt fit. I can't buy into some big conspiracy theory of TN, GGMS covering for RC. I do not think they know what happened to Haleigh and I do believe they are holding out hope that Haleigh is still alive.

What I wonder about is those that just disappeared basically without another word, Croslin stories changing, Amber and Misty's history, Croslin family dynamics just to name a few.

I don't think you are way off in your thinking at all Pondering we just see things differently for different reasons and that isn't a bad thing at all. Your post make me think, I take the time to read them and give them alot of thought.

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Busy, I don't believe Ron is evil and I never thought that he didn't love HaLeigh, I have no doubt that he does... I don't even doubt his devastation 'if' it turns out as I believe that he is responsible for her disappearance as I would be shocked if it was intentional. Nor do I think that Ron married Misty for any of the reasons you mentioned either, never did. But that makes me wonder more..WHY did he marry her? I may be completely off base, but this is what I keep coming back to...I do believe that he may have married her because she wanted to get married and have a family and after this happened (whatever 'this' is) he married her to pacify her, to keep her happy, but if that's the case..then I wonder..pacify her right now? just after his daughter has disappeared, what in gawds name could be so urgent that you have to act now?... and only one thing comes to my mind.
In the beginning of this case my thinking was just of Misty because I couldn't get around the 'time' issue w/Ron, but that all came into question for me shortly thereafter and to my knowledge no one has ever been able to verify with 100% accuracy exactly what hours Ron worked and if he could have left unnoticed. Just recently, well kinda recently anyway we find out that Ron worked over for 3 hrs. unexpectedly. That had never been made known before and people were adamant early on about what his work hours were and they were wrong. So what more is there about those work hours that we don't know and WHY wouldn't we know if it was nothing? <sigh> It's exhausting to say the least, isn't it?...

TY Busy.. yes we see do see things differently at times and no, it's not a bad thing at all. Funny thing is..it's not usually completely different at all, lol. ..


Not directed at you Busy, but a couple thoughts I had re: Ron and Crystal while responding to your post:

Re: Crystal... nothing ever pointed me in the Sheffield direction, never could get past the MH or at least the occupants of it, so because of that she never mattered much to me (in re: HaLeigh's disappearance) and man I know more about her life than I ever needed or wanted to know unless she by some miracle has HaLeigh. No one will ever find a post where I expound Crystal's virtues or ever hold her out to be without fault which obviously she is not, but boy she has taken a beat down here...but I don't believe IMHO that she had anything to do with HaLeighs disappearance and that's why I'm here ..for and because of HaLeigh...not to judge Crystal's life...

Re: Ron ...On the other hand, maybe Ron is more of a hands on dad than I see and admitedly have not seen much either way, maybe he did work on a regular basis than I have given him credit for among other things, IDK and yes he too has taken a beat down, but to me anyway, that's like comparing apples and oranges because I do believe IMVHO that Ron knows exactly what happened to HaLeigh. But even if one doesn't believe that, just the fact that she was in the custody of Misty and Ron when she disappeared makes all the difference in the world. His life and everything in it matters because it could hold a clue as to HaLeighs whereabouts. Crystals matters only if one believes she is responsible for HaLeighs disappearance and very few people believe that anymore, AFAIK.

Does that make a bit of sense to anyone but me?.. :crazy:..I do believe it's bedtime..nite all..

Crystal and RC were not living together until 9/2005 as has been posted. If you will read the transcripts Crystal left shortly after JR was born and took the kids with her, in August RC asked to take the kids to Texas and Mexico Crystal gave him the kids to do that. RC did not return the kids to Crystal in August when he returned from Texas in late Sept Crystal filed for an order to have the kids returned and a order of protection goes along with that filing, the judge denied the order to have the children returned, RC filed for custody of the children in 9/2005.

Baxter said:

I agree with you. I was quoting Busy, who stated they where not living together.

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Busylady said:

Crystal and RC were not living together until 9/2005 as has been posted. If you will read the transcripts Crystal left shortly after JR was born and took the kids with her, in August RC asked to take the kids to Texas and Mexico Crystal gave him the kids to do that. RC did not return the kids to Crystal in August when he returned from Texas in late Sept Crystal filed for an order to have the kids returned and a order of protection goes along with that filing, the judge denied the order to have the children returned, RC filed for custody of the children in 9/2005.

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Which means she missed the doctors appointments when she lived WITH Ron.

Your post makes total sense Pondering. I guess for me Crystal and Marie set off my hinky meter from day one and it just kept going. Her changing stories about receiving the call telling her Haleigh was missing, her delay in getting to where her daughter was last seen, her taking the focus off Haleigh quickly, putting JR on TV just to name a few. While I never believed Crystal planned anything with regards to Haleigh's disappearance those things made me dig deeper in to her and to those I believe basically "control" Crystal. Things I discovered made me lean more and more towards that direction. LE came out and stated RC and Crystal are not considered suspects so at that time I figured they know alot more than I do so started looking at other avenues.

RC works hours are solid as far as I am concerned and I know others question those hours but for me I believe the hours he worked so it takes him out of the equation for me, I don't believe anyone could get past security at PDM or RC could slip out without someone noticing it.

Misty is an entirely different story, I honestly go back and forth. At times I think she played a part in Haleighs disappearance, at times I think she was not at the mobile home, and at other times I think she was dead asleep. I also think possiblity that the Croslins are involved somehow as new info comes out and stories change from them.

Yep some of them were probably missed when she was living with RC, though we do not know all the times she left RC and then went back to him (as Crystal herself has stated) but from roughly March to August 2005 she was not living with RC and she had the children. Like I stated earlier it really isn't even important IMO- Crystal herself stated her reasoning for the missed appointments I originally posted because it was being stated that Crystal left RC in 9/2005 and that is not the case at all. I could dig thru all the documents and find the dates of the missed 12 appointments but once again I don't really think it is important with regards to what happened to Haleigh in 2/2009.

Baxter said:

Which means she missed the doctors appointments when she lived WITH Ron.

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