CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 3

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Poor family, poor man...I hope it's a simple case of a confused man wandering away...but it doesn't sound like it.
 
Fairy1 said:
Cubby, somewhere on the last thread (sorry I can't find it now!) there is a recent article that states NO ONE has been cleared.

I know how it looks, but I'm just not willing to drink that Koolaid - yet.
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If you have a link from MSM or LE indicating the hairdresser and her DH are not cleared you may post it.

The other links I have read indicate no 'theory' has been eliminated outside of Bob being abducted by a stranger. Theories can be included with people who have not been cleared or named suspects, but I've just read all the old posts and I can not find anything indicating LE has ever made any statment of any kind to indicate the Hair dresser and her husband are no longer cleared as being involved in this case.


Many of the links provided have been rumors, opinions which have some how morphed to fact. We need to comply with TOS and if information is posted as FACT we need the documentation to support it from a credible source. Blogs, other forums, etc. are not considered fact.

MSM, a LE statement or actual court doc's or links to court records are best to sort out fact from fiction and opinion.

Let's find Bob!

Cubby
 
dreamweaver said:
When I spoke with PPD Det. David Radomski on July 26 2010,
he said that NO ONE had been cleared.
Det Radomski is the detective in charge of Robert Harrod's missing person case.
fwiw:
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If Det. David Radomski is willing to put in writing the hairdresser and her DH are not cleared and make a statement as such we will post it.

But we need verifiable documentation this is coming from Det. Radomski.

Is he now the lead detective or is Detective Loomis still the leading the investigation?

We need links to back up statements as facts.
 
LaLaw2000 said:
I came across Bob Herrod's case one night when I had caught up on reading my regular ones. I obviously missed a lot because of the threads now closed.

My very first impression was that I was stunned this case was at such a standstill. It was not handled correctly to begin with, IMO. Bob is/was elderly. An all out ground search should have taken place immediately. Was Bob classified as a missing endangered person? I think any elderly person should be.

I am just giving an opinion here, but since Bob had called in the housekeeper and SIL to help get the house ready for Fontelle's arrival, could he have possibly called the barber to have his hair cut also? That would make sense to me.

Bob Harrod is the victim here. If we cannot speculate as we do in other missing person's cases, then our hands are effectively tied.

FWIW, I do not think the daughters had anything to do with the disappearance. I am very glad that they do have co-conservatorship of the estate. As for them now being able to offer a substantial reward in Bob's case, there are guidelines as to how any money can be spent from the estate. After all, Bob has not been declared dead as yet and all money and property is still in his name. I believe the daughters can pay bills, taxes, and upkeep of the home with money from Bob's estate, but are limited to necessary spending. JMO

I had dinner with a longtime friend who is a lawyer in our capitol city. We have dinner every couple of weeks or so. He says the laws in California are similiar to our state. We talked about Bob's case at length. If there was no co-mingling of Bob and Fontelle's money and there was such a short term living together as man and wife, then Fontelle would be entitled to very little as there is an existing family trust. She would most likely be entitled to live in the home as in survivorship, but it would remain in Bob's name until he either returns or is declared dead. If and when Bob is declared dead, then his will and the family trust would be followed.

My friend stated that without knowing the particulars, that was the best he could do. Now that is just my opinion and his. However; he did further state (and I agree) that he could not envision Fontelle even wanting to stay in California and the home in view of her age and it would seem that she would want to be near her own family. Of course she wants to know what happened to Bob, but she can do that from any other state.

Meanwhile, Bob is missing. What I intend to do is look at all missing, unidentified deceased elderly males that have been located in every state. If Bob is deceased, he deserves the dignity of a proper burial and a headstone with his name on it.

I have posted on missing person's cases and have speculated. I am careful not to violate TOS. WS means a lot to me and I would not want to be banned! I have never even had an infraction here. All of the above is JMO and MOO.
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I hear you. However, there is a difference between rumor, opinion and making statements as facts. WS has a rule - if you wish to make statements as facts they must be backed up with a verifiable credible link.
Credible links include court docs, LE statements, sleuthed info which can be tied to the case. Someones opinion from a blog or other forums without documentation for back up is not considered a credible source.


Those are the house rules and what makes WS so great and stand out and apart from other forums. This is Tricia's house and while we are guests in her home we'll abide by her rules. Tricia does NOT allow info to be posted as fact without info to back it up.

Sleuth away! find info which can be linked and TIED to the case and lets discuss it. A dui 25 years ago, likely not case related. HUGE debts, info on Bob lending people money - credible.

Lets find Bob!
 
dreamweaver said:
When I spoke with PPD Det. David Radomski on July 26 2010,
he said that NO ONE had been cleared.
Det Radomski is the detective in charge of Robert Harrod's missing person case.
fwiw:
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Thanks dream-so who is Det Colleen Loomis?
 
OK then-MSM reports that phone calls made to Bob's house the morning of his disappearance are important, and IIRC the statement was made that they do not want to tip off a suspect by releasing the information.

Well whoever called him knows that they called him, so I think given the statement they have now been tipped off. JMO.

Until that info is released, we can only speculate, so moving on....

I am not getting from MSM when the last time SIL laid eyes on Bob, because that is when the timeline starts for his disappearance of course. I know there was discussion of a phone call to Bob by one of the children where she heard SIL say he was leaving for Home Depot-a trip he actually made a few hours later, IIRC.

So I wonder if the phone calls of interest came in prior to the "I'm going to Home Depot" SIL comment or after?

In any case, can anyone point me to a time when SIL saw Bob last? TIA!!!
 
This is what I could find using a google search:
http://cbs2.com/local/newlywed.groom.missing.2.1120666.html
http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/brief.cfm?id=67544
http://www.aolnews.com/story/81-year-old-newlywed-robert-harrod-is/598639
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Weekend/story?id=8227798&page=1
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/31/local/me-missing-groom31
http://jezebel.com/5327883/81+year+old-groom-disappears-after-marrying-his-childhood-sweetheart
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-long-engagement,0,266953.story
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/search-intensifies-for-missing-oc-newlywed-81.html
http://www2.ocregister.com/articles/harrod-loomis-family-2513035-home-police
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535895,00.html
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/orange_county&id=6939639
http://cbs2.com/local/Bog.Harrod.Fontelle.2.1106530.html
http://www.knx1070.com/pages/4900325.php
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...r-Marrying-Childhood-Sweetheart-52086697.html
http://www.ocregister.com/news/harrod-60921-ocprint-bob-police.html
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/harrod-232302-bob-police.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/02/local/la-me-disappeared3-2010feb03
http://paulkestes.blogspot.com/2010/06/today-would-have-been-bob-harrods.html
http://paulkestes.blogspot.com/2010/07/bob-harrod-missing-one-year.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/living/2010985815_disappeared08.html

NAMUS Missing File
https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2706
http://placentia.org/index.aspx?NID=129
 
believe09 said:
OK then-MSM reports that phone calls made to Bob's house the morning of his disappearance are important, and IIRC the statement was made that they do not want to tip off a suspect by releasing the information.

Well whoever called him knows that they called him, so I think given the statement they have now been tipped off. JMO.

Until that info is released, we can only speculate, so moving on....

I am not getting from MSM when the last time SIL laid eyes on Bob, because that is when the timeline starts for his disappearance of course. I know there was discussion of a phone call to Bob by one of the children where she heard SIL say he was leaving for Home Depot-a trip he actually made a few hours later, IIRC.

So I wonder if the phone calls of interest came in prior to the "I'm going to Home Depot" SIL comment or after?

In any case, can anyone point me to a time when SIL saw Bob last? TIA!!!
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"JM told police he left the house for Home Depot to buy supplies around 2:30 p.m., and time stamped-receipts bear him out, Loomis said.

About 2:30 p.m. was the last time anyone says they saw Bob Harrod.

JM said he returned to the house after 3 p.m. to find the Harrods' longtime maid sitting on the front stoop, saying the door was locked. Bob Harrod talked to the housekeeper on the phone earlier that morning and told her to come.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/-214111--.html

This is the time in an article though earlier times have been stated as well.
 
believe09 said:
OK then-MSM reports that phone calls made to Bob's house the morning of his disappearance are important, and IIRC the statement was made that they do not want to tip off a suspect by releasing the information.

Well whoever called him knows that they called him, so I think given the statement they have now been tipped off. JMO.

Until that info is released, we can only speculate, so moving on....

I am not getting from MSM when the last time SIL laid eyes on Bob, because that is when the timeline starts for his disappearance of course. I know there was discussion of a phone call to Bob by one of the children where she heard SIL say he was leaving for Home Depot-a trip he actually made a few hours later, IIRC.

So I wonder if the phone calls of interest came in prior to the "I'm going to Home Depot" SIL comment or after?

In any case, can anyone point me to a time when SIL saw Bob last? TIA!!!
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The SIL's Home Depot receipt is stamped at 3:04 pm.

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Daughter J states her father disappears around noon or 1 pm.

Reporter: “J says her husband was with her dad, at his home yesterday. He went to the hardware store alone. When he came back…”

J: “My dad was gone.”

Reporter: “What time?”

J: “We’re thinking maybe 1, noon?”

http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/watch/...9354&src=front
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JM told police that he worked at the home then went to Home Depot about 2:40 p.m. to buy supplies. When he returned about 3:30 p.m., Bob's housekeeper was sitting on the front stoop because no one had answered the door.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ppeared08.html


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July 28, 2009~~ Daughter J posted on ROTW at 1:50 pm and says that her father has been missing for about 28 hours. That would put the time of Mr. Harrod's disappearance at about 10:00 am on July 27, 2009.

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=0

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Robert’s son-in-law told cops that in the late morning on July 27, 2009, he had left Robert to run errands at the hardware store, and when he returned, Robert was gone.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=67544

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Robert Harrod was last seen at his residence on July 27, 2009 at 11:00 A.M. in the city of Placentia. When a family member returned to the house at approximately 1:00 P.M., Harrod was gone.

http://placentia.org/DocumentView.aspx?DID=102

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Harrod was last seen at his residence in the 500 block of Carnation Drive Placentia, California sometime between 11:00 a.m. and 12:00 p.m. on July 27, 2009. His son-in-law went to the store and when he returned at 1:00 p.m., he found the front door locked, the housekeeper waiting on the porch, and Harrod missing.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...od_robert.html

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"He was at home and seemed in good spirits when I last spoke to him somewhere between 11 a.m. - 12pm. His son-in-law was there doing odd jobs as Dads new wife was returning from Missouri on Wed. 7/29/09. Heard son-in-law say he was going to the hardware store. When he returned the housekeeper was waiting outside and Dad was gone."

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2706/0
 
Well that is a moving target of a story. So I wonder if the phone call from the daughter where SIL said he was going to the hardware store actually happened later than 11am or 12PM. Like at 2:30PM. And she was confused by the time.

Huh.

I am inclined to believe the early media on the case, simply because the memory was fresher in their minds, rather than later once the time stamped receipt was turned over etc. I watched the interview with J the day after Bob disappeared, and it was compelling.

Wow. Confusing.

So do we even have a firm timeline now? I mean we know when SIL was at Home Depot and when the housekeeper was there.
 
believe09 said:
Well that is a moving target of a story. So I wonder if the phone call from the daughter where SIL said he was going to the hardware store actually happened later than 11am or 12PM. Like at 2:30PM. And she was confused by the time.

Huh.

I am inclined to believe the early media on the case, simply because the memory was fresher in their minds, rather than later once the time stamped receipt was turned over etc. I watched the interview with J the day after Bob disappeared, and it was compelling.

Wow. Confusing.

So do we even have a firm timeline now? I mean we know when SIL was at Home Depot and when the housekeeper was there.
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We also know that the last time Mr. Harrod is confirmed to be alive from someone other than SIL/Family is 10:00 am via a phonecall.
 
Does anyone besides me find it odd that the last person to see Bob alive -SIL - and his wife don't have their timelines straight the day after Bob goes missing?

Why would SIL's wife not have the timeline straight? The only reason I can think of is SIL gave her conflicting/inaccurate info and why would he do that if he had nothing to hide?

JMO
 
Also, am I correct to understand that SIL and his wife live in a home that Bob owns? Or does one of Bobs other daughters live in a home Bob owns?

How many homes does Bob currently own, 2 or 3 or more?

this case is so confusing......
 
Cubby said:
Also, am I correct to understand that SIL and his wife live in a home that Bob owns? Or does one of Bobs other daughters live in a home Bob owns?

How many homes does Bob currently own, 2 or 3 or more?

this case is so confusing......
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I am not sure of the total number of homes Mr. Harrod owns, but there are at least two.
 
Cubby said:
Does anyone besides me find it odd that the last person to see Bob alive -SIL - and his wife don't have their timelines straight the day after Bob goes missing?

Why would SIL's wife not have the timeline straight? The only reason I can think of is SIL gave her conflicting/inaccurate info and why would he do that if he had nothing to hide?

JMO
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I wondered what, if any, information on times were relayed to LE when RB called for the wellness check. Did she give a time when Mr. Harrod was last seen?
 
Missing persons cases are hard to work on.
But one of the things about Robert Harrod's missing person case is the
timeline:
I think that has caused doubt, confusion and suspicion.

I don't know the exact timeline either.
I wish I did.
More accurate times would help
all the way around.
 
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