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I agree, ladies. It would be different if there was something that tied the Whites to the crime scene or body other than people think FW acted suspicious. Fiber evidence, fingerprints, DNA, something. But all they have is the claims of some woman proven to be suspicious herself, and somehow the IDI keep failing to mention that this woman said JR is a molester as well...
 
Jayelles said:
This is all according to John Ramsey - many months after the murder when relationships with the Whites had completed broken down and quite frankly, we need to take it with a pinch of salt. There are two sides to every story and we've only heard John Ramsey's. He is NOT a reliable source. Take this for example:-

This is from John Ramsey's October 1998 deposition - John Ramsey took an OATH for this deposition:-


Then in DOI - page 295, John is referring to the exact incident which Lee Hill asked him about in the deposition



There is another source which I have seen which confirms that the police were called to the altercation which John Ramsey denied happened - under oath - and then proceeded to write about in his book. I don't have time to look for that just now but I *think* it was a detective who confirmed it in another deposition or interview.

This isn't some trivial little incident that someone could understandably forget about - this was an event which John Ramsey described as "frightening" - the police were called out. Yet he denied it happened - under oath. If you read his deposition at acandyrose's, you will see that it was to be sealed. As far as John Ramsey was concerned, his testimony (i.e. liles) would never be made public.

This is precisely why I am leery of the man.
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If I am not mistaken all three incidents were discussed in Perfect Murder/Perfect Town which was first published 1/4/99. I question if Schiller used JR's depostion as the source for his book.
 
JMO8778 said:
On that note,I can't help but think at least part of it had something to do with the tape that was supposedly on JB's mouth.I think it was said the tape wouldn't have stuck to her,and my guess is that's prob. why he went back downstairs to look at it.Even at that early stage,he knew that something wasn't quite right !!
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JMO: What is meant by "the tape wouldn't have stuck to her". I am not following. :cool:
 
There is not one shred of evidence to link Fleet White to this murder. The FWDI brigade excuse away every aspect of Ramsey behaviour and accuse this man on nothing more than speculation.

The fact is that the Whites gave DNA, they spoke with police and urged the Ramseys to do likewise. Later, the wrote letters demanding that a special prosecutor be appointed to investigate the case. They have spoken out against those who have made money from the case and have steadfastly refused to speak with tabloids or Internet junkies.

It is a travesty to see the way in which they are torn to shred by a group of utterly vicious people who seem clueless about the facts of the case.
 
snowqueen said:
If I am not mistaken all three incidents were discussed in Perfect Murder/Perfect Town which was first published 1/4/99. I question if Schiller used JR's depostion as the source for his book.
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Sorry, could you elaborate. I'm not following you.
 
Jayelles said:
Sorry, could you elaborate. I'm not following you.
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Fernie not allowing FW to fly the corporate plane to Atlanta.
JR's brother asking that FW & Priscilla be moved from his home to a motel.
The confrontation FW had w/JR following JB's funeral.
 
snowqueen said:
Fernie not allowing FW to fly the corporate plane to Atlanta.
JR's brother asking that FW & Priscilla be moved from his home to a motel.
The confrontation FW had w/JR following JB's funeral.
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Sorry, I thought you were referring to three incidents in my post!

I don't think John's deposition was public when Schiller wrote his book. INterestingly, in the same depo, John also denied that they were particularly friendly with the Stines prior to the murder - yet the two couples had vacationed together only weeks before the murder - without the children!
 
Jayelles said:
Sorry, I thought you were referring to three incidents in my post!

I don't think John's deposition was public when Schiller wrote his book. INterestingly, in the same depo, John also denied that they were particularly friendly with the Stines prior to the murder - yet the two couples had vacationed together only weeks before the murder - without the children!
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And did I read somewhere that the Stines moved to Atlanta shortly after the Ramseys? I'd like to google for more info about them. Do you know - was Glen the father, Susan the mother, and Doug the son? And how old was Doug when JB was murdered, if you know?
 
Solace said:
JMO: What is meant by "the tape wouldn't have stuck to her". I am not following. :cool:
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I recall reading that either the tape didn't have much glue on it and wouldn't have adhered to her face,or JB's face wasn't dry enough for it to stick(from mucous,and I think it was said she threw up too?)yet JR says he 'ripped it off' her mouth,but that wouldn't have been possible.Her face does have some dried mucous or something on it in the autopsy photos,so that sounds likely.
 
Jayelles said:
There is not one shred of evidence to link Fleet White to this murder. The FWDI brigade excuse away every aspect of Ramsey behaviour and accuse this man on nothing more than speculation.

The fact is that the Whites gave DNA, they spoke with police and urged the Ramseys to do likewise. Later, the wrote letters demanding that a special prosecutor be appointed to investigate the case. They have spoken out against those who have made money from the case and have steadfastly refused to speak with tabloids or Internet junkies.

It is a travesty to see the way in which they are torn to shred by a group of utterly vicious people who seem clueless about the facts of the case.
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well-said.I think they've behaved in the most caring ways possible.
 
snowqueen said:
And did I read somewhere that the Stines moved to Atlanta shortly after the Ramseys? I'd like to google for more info about them. Do you know - was Glen the father, Susan the mother, and Doug the son? And how old was Doug when JB was murdered, if you know?
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You've got the names correct. I think Stine Jr was about Burke's age but I'm not absolutely sure about that. He's not a suspect and we're not allowed to post theories about anyone who hasn't been named as a suspect officially. That's why I can't post my theory. The WS mods are very twitchy about this.

Yes the Stines moved to Atlanta with the Ramseys - gave up their jobs in Boulder to do so. Susan Stine was later discovered to have been e-mailing people pretending to be Chief Beckner. She wasn't prosecuted and it was reported that she refused to speak to the GPD.
 
JMO8778 said:
I recall reading that either the tape didn't have much glue on it and wouldn't have adhered to her face,or JB's face wasn't dry enough for it to stick(from mucous,and I think it was said she threw up too?)yet JR says he 'ripped it off' her mouth,but that wouldn't have been possible.Her face does have some dried mucous or something on it in the autopsy photos,so that sounds likely.
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That tape is extremely adhesive and strong. If it didn't stick, it was because it had been reused or applied to a wet surface.
 
Jayelles said:
You've got the names correct. I think Stine Jr was about Burke's age but I'm not absolutely sure about that. He's not a suspect and we're not allowed to post theories about anyone who hasn't been named as a suspect officially. That's why I can't post my theory. The WS mods are very twitchy about this.

Yes the Stines moved to Atlanta with the Ramseys - gave up their jobs in Boulder to do so. Susan Stine was later discovered to have been e-mailing people pretending to be Chief Beckner. She wasn't prosecuted and it was reported that she refused to speak to the GPD.
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Very interesting.......Thanks. Think I'll google for a while.
 
I read at jonbenet-ramsey.com that Fleet whites fingerprints were found on the duct tape. I saw alot of crap over there that is questionable to say the least.
ETA- I know fleet was not involved in jonbenets murder .this is just an example of the filth that is on other sites.
 
cynpat2000 said:
I read at jonbenet-ramsey.com that Fleet whites fingerprints were found on the duct tape. I saw alot of crap over there that is questionable to say the least.
ETA- I know fleet was not involved in jonbenets murder .this is just an example of the filth that is on other sites.
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I'm thinking that he picked it up when he was in the wine cellar, and the police know that. I'm not positive, though, and will have to check. Does anyone else remember for sure?

ETA: Page 21, PMPT (paperback)

Talks about how he picked it up, it felt sticky on one side, and he put it on the blanket for the police.
 
Nuisanceposter said:
I agree, ladies. It would be different if there was something that tied the Whites to the crime scene or body other than people think FW acted suspicious. Fiber evidence, fingerprints, DNA, something. But all they have is the claims of some woman proven to be suspicious herself, and somehow the IDI keep failing to mention that this woman said JR is a molester as well...
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IMO...nobody is MORE suspicious acting than the Ramsey's. Their actions were alot more stranger and suspicious than Fleet White's (POOR GUY!!).....and it was the Ramsey's daughter that was murdered under their nose....not Fleet's.
 
JMO8778 said:
I recall reading that either the tape didn't have much glue on it and wouldn't have adhered to her face,or JB's face wasn't dry enough for it to stick(from mucous,and I think it was said she threw up too?)yet JR says he 'ripped it off' her mouth,but that wouldn't have been possible.Her face does have some dried mucous or something on it in the autopsy photos,so that sounds likely.
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I read that too...that it had been stuck to something else before being used on JB....therefore losing its stickiness. I have also wondered if JB had cried...and moistened the tape....but, if the head blow came first..and she was knocked unconscious...then, she wouldn't have cried.
 
Ames said:
I read that too...that it had been stuck to something else before being used on JB....therefore losing its stickiness. I have also wondered if JB had cried...and moistened the tape....but, if the head blow came first..and she was knocked unconscious...then, she wouldn't have cried.
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Apparently there was a perfect lip print on the duct tape. This means she was either dead or unconscious when it was applied and she did not regain consciousness after it was applied. This is one of the reasons why we know the crime scene was "staged". Why put a duct tape gag on a dead/unconscious person who can no longer scream?
 
cynpat2000 said:
I read at jonbenet-ramsey.com that Fleet whites fingerprints were found on the duct tape. I saw alot of crap over there that is questionable to say the least.
ETA- I know fleet was not involved in jonbenets murder .this is just an example of the filth that is on other sites.
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Forensic specialists would be able to tell from the fingerprints if he had merely picked it up or if he had applied it. If he had applied the duct-tape gag, the positioning of the fingerprints would be quite distinctive and telling.
 
Jayelles said:
I wouldn't convict the Ramseys based upon the evidence as we know it. I wouldn't convict ANYONE on the evidence as we know it! I have a hypothesis which I cannot post because the person involved has never been named as a suspect but I have been through every scenario in my head and very few theories fit IMO.

I don't think she was killed by a stranger because I don't think a stranger would have bothered to stage the crimescene to make it look like an attempted kidnapping - he would have been in and out IMO. I don't think anyone killed JonBenet to get at her father - I think that is one of the most ludicrous theories of all actually. I believe it takes a special kind of madness or evil to torture and kill a beautiful, defenceless child. There are many ways in which an enemy could have destroyed John Ramsey without harming an innocent child - and with much less risk too.

I believe this was a crime of passion and that her killer was driven by hatred and jealousy. I think that the killer didn't reoffend because he was probably traumatised by his own actions.
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So was the killer - in your opinion - a "he?"
 
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