Theories On What Happened to Caylee Part #2

Brini said:

I don't. I think she would have had more disposable income, Looks like the only money she was spending was what she stole.

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Cerenity2u said:

One thing that bothers me about the night of the 15th, and GA stating that he saw Caylee and KC on the 16th, is the statement LP made concerning information that Lee told him. Evidently, Lee told LP that on the night of the 15th, CA literally put her hands around KC's neck and choked her out of the house, after confronting KC about stealing from the grandparents. Lee stated that he never ever witnessed this kind of behavior from CA, until that night. This was stated on Nancy Grace, by LP, so I guess we can take it for what it's worth. However, if this indeed happened, I find it hard to believe that KC would return to the house with Caylee at some point through the night and go to bed...CA states that she got up, and heard Caylee and KC in the room, but did not physically see them, because she did not want to wake them. Ok....so if they are sleeping, how did she actually hear them in the room?....Why wouldn't she just crack the door and peep in? And why wouldn't she wake KC before she left for work, after such a horrible fight, that poor little Caylee probably witnessed?....I don't think KC ever returned to the house that night, and I think GA is mistaken when he states he saw them the day of the 16th. Maybe he did see them on a Monday morning...probably many Monday mornings just as he stated, only he is mistaken the dates. The Monday morning before the June 16th one, is the morning of June 9. Because june 9 was the first date given of Caylee missing, which was later changed....I believe june 9 is the monday morning he is confusing with the june 16th morning. He never saw them on the 16th, they never came home..

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momtective said:

Cell phone pings show KC being at the Anthony home the night of the 15th and most of the day on the 16th. She left the house around 4:18 pm on the 16th. I too think George is confusing the dates of the 9th and the 16th.
I believe KC was mixing chloroform at the Anthony home on the 16th, Caylee either drank it or inhaled the vapors and fell unconscious. KC freaked out and tried to call CA & GA etc. She couldn't reach anyone. I don't know if I think Caylee was still alive at 4:18pm when KC left the house but I'm thinking she was and KC put her sleeping body and the chloroform in the trunk, went to Tony's and hung out with Tony for the night while Caylee lay dying in the trunk of the car...out of sight out of mind.
The 17th she discovered Caylee dead, went to the Anthony home, thought about burying Caylee in the backyard (probably carried her body to the back yard)went to the neighbor's and borrowed a shovel then remembering the storage containers in the shed, used the shovel to open the shed. I think at first she considered the large storage container that was moved away from the pool per Cindy's interview but it was too big to fit in the trunk of her car.
I think she got a storage container from that shed, placed Caylee's body in it, then placed it in the trunk of her car. I believe she may have left the storage container holding Caylee's body in the trunk for several days. She had access to Tony's jeep so she could have just left her car parked for several days. I don't think that she disposed of Caylee's body. I think she stored it, in the storage container, in a rented self storage building. Rented under an assumed name and fake address of course. My best guess would be one of these three locations...

Vista Self Storage
6707 Narcoossee Rd, Orlando, FL - (407) 658-8544‎

Goldenrod Road self storage
3040 S Goldenrod Rd, Orlando, FL - (407) 823-7809

Surelock Self Storage‎
7628 Narcoossee Rd, Orlando, FL - (407) 207-3335‎

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IWannaKnow said:

OK, this came to me this morning, it is not fully formed, and I would greatly appreciate input as far as "this can't be right because.......", I think I am on the right track but I want it to be CORRECT so we can find Caylee.

6/15 - Fight over KC stealing (I believe to finance trip to PR w/AH)
6/16 - GA sees KC and Caylee at 12:30.
KC calls GA at 3:03 to verify coast is clear to turn tricks?, surf internet? whatever..... Does a little sniff of chloroform (which she has for her perfect girfriend routine with AL or side job of turning tricks?) because she is so bummed about the fight the night before or in the commission of turning her trick. Caylee gets the rag while mommy is passed out, overdoses. KC wakes up, finds her, freaks. Maybe dunks her in the pool to attempt to revive her (although there were no cadaver hits on the pool, right?). Flurry of phone calls, all to CA, cause of course, Mom will fix it, she fixes everything. Only mom doesn't answer. And after enough time, she knows there is no fixing the "problem". So, tries putting her in the playhouse, no go since there is no floor, off to the sandbox, no, that doesn't work either, so she stashes her in the trunk of the car, per the forensic reports, because time is running out at this point. Someone should be home soon, it has to be going on 5:00.
6/17 - First report of backing into garage. Considers putting her in the
back yard but can't bring herself to do so or reconsiders logic of doing so.
6/18 - "I'll worry about that tomorrow"
6/19 - BB sees her backed into garage, borrows shovel. Has to do something, cause the smell is starting to be a problem. Realizes she can't use shovel because of evidence, worries smell might be a problem in the back yard, so decides to put her in a plastic bag and probably something else, or maybe placed her in spare tire well? Thus the 2.6 days on the reports, only one hour with clean shovel.
6/20 - drives around, trying to figure out what to do. Runs out of gas,
back to garage for 3rd time for gas cans.
6/21 to 6/23?- KC disposes of Caylee, I believe on Boggy Creek Road. Two
witnesses see this. Attempts to clean trunk with gas and chloroform.
6/24 - GA tries to retrieve his "chucks", KC freaks because she doesn't want
him to smell/see her trunk. Could Caylee have been in the spare tire well when GA retrieved his gas cans?
6/27 - abandons car at AMSCOT with her purse on the seat and key in
ignition with intent of car and evidence being stolen.

Please add, take away, based on your known facts. Thanks!

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Cerenity2u said:

Very plausible theory. I too have always believed that KC was experimenting with chloroform, and Caylee either inhaled a lethal dose, or she ingested it. From everything I have read about chloroform, it has a sweet smell and a sweet taste. About the phone pings, I'm glad you reminded me of those, I do need to go back and check those pings (not that I don't believe you) and also read Tony's statements, for the simple fact I'm thinking there are still some inconsistencies about that night. As far as LP's statement he made on NG, about the fight and KC leaving home the night of the 15th, I also need to reread LA's statement to see if he makes mention of this. So much info. out there it's hard to remember every detail. Your theory of storing Caylee's body in a storage unit is very interesting, and I hope that LE has thought of this and checked it out. Also, I am interested to know if you checked to see if any of the phone pings would point to the above storage locations you mention? Excellent theory you have :clap:

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tfrohning said:

i read that GA last seem Caylee when he was watching a cooking show before he left for. it was in his inview with LE

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tfrohning said:

i read that GA last seem Caylee when he was watching a cooking show before he left for. it was in his inview with LE

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Janis396 said:

We know George started his new job in mid-July, because the day he and CA went to get the car from the towyard, CA told him to go on to work since (IIRC) it was his 2nd day, and she'd deal with the car thing.

So do we know if George was working in June, and if so, where? What hours did he work? That would help a lot in figuring out if he saw Casey and Caylee arount 12:45pm on June 16th or not.

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Pink Panther said:

I don't know why, but I kind of believe that GA did see them the morning of the 16th. I don't think that he's been truthful about the circumstances (just like "any other day") but I do think he saw them. Based on this belief and the pings for June 16th, I think that Caylee was killed between 2 - 4 pm on June 16th. KC then took her to the yard...placed her first, beside the pool and then moved her into the more hidden corner beside the playhouse so that she could remove the lid of the sandbox. I think she placed her in the sandbox, and put the lid back on. The 16th was a Monday. Her parents were working. CA has stated that the sandbox was not used all that often as it was messy. The weather was rainy and she knew that her parents wouldn't be fussing in the yard; let alone at the sandbox. KC left Caylee there until sometime before the weekend. I think she definitely moved Caylee before the week-end as she would have been afraid to leave her there with her parents being home all day Saturday/Sunday. If I've understood the forensics correctly, the body was in the trunk in its 2.6 day of decomposition. That would mean that KC placed Caylee there sometime between June 18 and 19th.

MOO

ETA - I also do not believe that KC EVER buried Caylee in the yard. No way. I can't imagine her digging a grave under any circumstances. The shovel was used for something else. Maybe to pry up a paver? To move or shift something but definitely not for digging!

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JusticeorJustUs said:

First post but I've been reading a bit. Y'all look like a great group.

I'm not sure if this should be here or in random thoughts or ??? so mod's please feel free to relocate as needed.

I think KC knocked little Caylee out with the chloroform, put her in the trunk to sleep until morning so that she could spent the night with boyfriend, and left the chloroform in there to keep her "knocked out" until morning. Didn't work. Little Caylee died as a result.

The gasoline containers and shovel -

I don't know how "moist" the area is where the one possible witness believes he saw her walking back to her car with a shovel.

Is it possible that she saturated little Caylee's lifeless body (and underlying bog-type material) in gasoline, lit the gasoline and then covered her with a peat or bog or moist type material, similar to what one would do when doing a clambake or roasting a hog underground? The result would be more of a fast-dissipating steam rather than smoke and would burn for quite a while.

The shovel never touches little Caylee, only the "burn" material and cover material.

I'm sorry. I don't recall when this possible witness claims to have seen her walking back to the car with a shovel.

It would be interesting to find out if she'd researched anything about clambakes and materials, or cremation, etc on that computer. She's such a sociopath or psychopath, take your pick, that honestly nothing would surprise me.

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It's difficult to even contemplate, I know. The multiple witnesses seeing her coming out of various places has me wondering too as to what she did with Caylee's body, and it is disgusting to even go there, but so are so many other thoughts. Did she burn the body or could she have dismembered the body and scattered it in many places? I have read plenty of murder cases and this is not that uncommon.

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concentric said:

JusticeorJustUs said:

First post but I've been reading a bit. Y'all look like a great group.

I'm not sure if this should be here or in random thoughts or ??? so mod's please feel free to relocate as needed.

I think KC knocked little Caylee out with the chloroform, put her in the trunk to sleep until morning so that she could spent the night with boyfriend, and left the chloroform in there to keep her "knocked out" until morning. Didn't work. Little Caylee died as a result.

The gasoline containers and shovel -

I don't know how "moist" the area is where the one possible witness believes he saw her walking back to her car with a shovel.

Is it possible that she saturated little Caylee's lifeless body (and underlying bog-type material) in gasoline, lit the gasoline and then covered her with a peat or bog or moist type material, similar to what one would do when doing a clambake or roasting a hog underground? The result would be more of a fast-dissipating steam rather than smoke and would burn for quite a while.

The shovel never touches little Caylee, only the "burn" material and cover material.

I'm sorry. I don't recall when this possible witness claims to have seen her walking back to the car with a shovel.

It would be interesting to find out if she'd researched anything about clambakes and materials, or cremation, etc on that computer. She's such a sociopath or psychopath, take your pick, that honestly nothing would surprise me.

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It's difficult to even contemplate, I know. The multiple witnesses seeing her coming out of various places has me wondering too as to what she did with Caylee's body, and it is disgusting to even go there, but so are so many other thoughts. Did she burn the body or could she have dismembered the body and scattered it in many places? I have read plenty of murder cases and this is not that uncommon.

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There are a lot of cases where the victim's body has been dismembered and scattered around. I know people have discussed KC burning the body, but wouldn't that have drawn attention? Burnt human flesh is not the greatest smell. JMO

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tiredofthis said:

concentric said:

There are a lot of cases where the victim's body has been dismembered and scattered around. I know people have discussed KC burning the body, but wouldn't that have drawn attention? Burnt human flesh is not the greatest smell. JMO

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You are so right but: what about that guy that actually burnt a body on his grill in his back yard. People later said, yeah, it was acrid, but I would never believe he did THAT.

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tiredofthis said:

There are a lot of cases where the victim's body has been dismembered and scattered around. I know people have discussed KC burning the body, but wouldn't that have drawn attention? Burnt human flesh is not the greatest smell. JMO

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