MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #9

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norest4thewicked said:
So in that case, who accidentally killed the child?
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The last I heard on it was he had either gotten into some of the gardian moms meds or the gardian grandma's meds or was purpously given them (which is what I beleive happened) while they were all camping with 3 teenagers also...Sylar was eventually found in a dry creekbed a week air so later..:.you can search his name and find several pages on the case...oh and by the way both gardian mom and grandma are both in jail
 
dovebar said:
I can understand differing opinions about whether a car would wake the neighbors.

But it does seem to me that most parents know whether or not their child will easily go to strangers by this point. Some kids will and some won't. And some babies, while asleep, can be lifted without their waking up, if they are not jerked awake. This is the effort of every parent getting a sleeping child out of a car and into their bed without waking them, and they are frequently successful.

So again, if the mom did something, how did she summon help with it? Or did she leave the house completely unattended to do something? I'm mystified on this one.
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I guess I don't have any experience of allowing any of my kids go with strangers at only ten months of age. I don't know of a single instance beyond my brother trying to comfort my daughter where she was ever left alone with a total stranger. My reference was to strangers, not parents lifting their own baby from a crib.

The mother's explanation isn't believable to me and apparently not believable to LE.

JMO
 
Cailin Rua said:
I'm recalling a case where they gave the baby too much Benadryl and then said someone took him or her. I know they did a movie called Freedomland that followed that plot but there was a relatively well-known case before that had actually happened, I just can't recall details.
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I can't remember details of the case either but I think it involved a daycare operator giving an overdose of Benadryl.

JMO
 
Kimmer said:
The last I heard on it was he had either gotten into some of the gardian moms meds or the gardian grandma's meds or was purpously given them (which is what I beleive happened) while they were all camping with 3 teenagers also...Sylar was eventually found in a dry creekbed a week air so later..:.you can search his name and find several pages on the case...oh and by the way both gardian mom and grandma are both in jail
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I do remember the case now that you gave details. And, if they would have just called when it happened and said it was an accident, they'd most likely not be in jail...I just can't figure people out!
 
In da Middle said:
This!!
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Sorry can't get it to quote the one above your post In da Middle,lol.
My thinking was the neighbor dog probably did not bark as it possibly was familiar with whomever entered the home if the dog was even awake and heard them.
 
Iam not positive but I believe the term untracable phone is just another way to say a throw away the one you just buy and use over the counter it allready has minutes and on the cell phone..In my house before and leading up to bed time all the doors and windows are locked. If my wife got up to go to work when i was asleep i would hope and assume she locked the same door behind her .I also find it hard to believe that the perp would come in and turn the lights on kinda takes out any reasoning for doing any crime at night time if your just gonna turn the lights on , Not to mention wake everybody in the house just makes no sence.
 
MyBelle said:
It must not have been normal for this family because Jeremy said he asked her why the child was in the bed.

JMO
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Maybe he asked that question in the context of the situation....since the lights were on, and he sensed something was not right.

My point was this....just because her son was in the bed with her doesn't mean that Mom was using her child to cover up anything.
 
norest4thewicked said:
Can anyone give an example of a case where a mother either accidentally killed her child or one of the siblings killed the child and then the mother set it up to look like a kidnapping and disposed of the beloved child?

And, please don't say Casey Anthony....I won't even go there...
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JonBenet.

Yes, I know the case is unsolved but many people believe that JonBenet was bashed in the head by either her mother, Patsy, or her brother, Burke. It was then staged to be a kidnapping gone wrong, with a ransom note included. However, JonBenet's body wasn't disposed of and was found in the basement.
 
Ok. Don't intend for any of this to come across as any sort of bias, as it's really not. Just facts that should be considered in the family dynamics of this whole situation: The mother of this 10 month old child is not married to the father. There are reported custody law suits and/ or issues w/ the older children. So does anything about this situation raise any red flags with anyone here? Just asking.
 
I didn't have a baby monitor either. My daughter's crib was in my room for a while but I lived in an old apartment where all of the rooms kinda connect. Her room connected to my room with an adjoining door and I left that door open between us so I could hear her if she woke up. My daughter had monitors but her children were afraid to have the doors closed at night so she leaves them open so that a hall light could shine in. So I guess while it is not fire safe it was for the well being of the kids not being closed off from her.

They also waltzed around during the night and still come into her room. She has 4 of them some nights flopped on daybeds and in her bed and on toddler beds still in her bedroom. She says they never stay where they start out. LOL
 
The mom saying that Lisa would go to anyone is strange. She wasn't in day care..she was with a SAHM. How many strangers would she be in contact with.....without mom being right there or another family member.
 
CanManEh said:
Iam not positive but I believe the term untracable phone is just another way to say a throw away the one you just buy and use over the counter it allready has minutes and on the cell phone..In my house before and leading up to bed time all the doors and windows are locked. If my wife got up to go to work when i was asleep i would hope and assume she locked the same door behind her .I also find it hard to believe that the perp would come in and turn the lights on kinda takes out any reasoning for doing any crime at night time if your just gonna turn the lights on , Not to mention wake everybody in the house just makes no sence.
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BBM unless it was done as a taunt, a 'look what I can do to you' thing
 
CanManEh said:
Iam not positive but I believe the term untracable phone is just another way to say a throw away the one you just buy and use over the counter it allready has minutes and on the cell phone..In my house before and leading up to bed time all the doors and windows are locked. If my wife got up to go to work when i was asleep i would hope and assume she locked the same door behind her .I also find it hard to believe that the perp would come in and turn the lights on kinda takes out any reasoning for doing any crime at night time if your just gonna turn the lights on , Not to mention wake everybody in the house just makes no sence.
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i'm familiar with what the term untacable means, I just never hear anyone with such a phone refer to it as such, unless perhaps they are trying to let LE know they won't trace their calls. Most people would still refer to it as "my cell" or "my phone" or "my tracfone", not "my untracable phone".
JMHO
 
MyBelle said:
I guess I don't have any experience of allowing any of my kids go with strangers at only ten months of age. I don't know of a single instance beyond my brother trying to comfort my daughter where she was ever left alone with a total stranger. My reference was to strangers, not parents lifting their own baby from a crib.

The mother's explanation isn't believable to me and apparently not believable to LE.

JMO
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A stranger to the baby might not be a stranger to the parent. It could be someone you know well but haven't seen in a while. I have friends and relatives that I don't see often, but they are people that I know very well. My son was 7 months old before my Aunt got the chance to come see him.
 
cluciano63 said:
I think there could be reasons a parent would try to hide an accidental or negligent death; if they might be in danger of losing other children, or if their parenting skills have been less than stellar in the past, or maybe just for the sympathy associated with a missing child, versus the stigma of giving too much medication or allowing a child to get fatally injured. JMO
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If my memory serves, Rilya Wilson's case was something like that.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rilya_Wilson"]Rilya Wilson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Rilya's mom had a drug problem and was getting her life together while Rilya lived with Graham. Can't remember if Graham was a family friend or distant relative. Family services was involved and supposed to be monitoring Rilya but they dropped the ball. They were supposed to check on her monthly, but did not check on her for over a year. When someone finally did come check on her, Graham claimed that someone claiming to be a social worker had taken Rilya from her months ago.

Rilya's mom always made me so sad. She was very open about her struggles and wanting Rilya to have a better life. Rilya's name was an anagram for Remember I Love You Always :(((
 
Kimster said:
I didn't even have a baby monitor. :yow:
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Me either - I relied on my keen sense of hearing and my hormonally driven hyper-vigilance (i.e. postpartum insomnia). I think I'm still trying to catch up on my sleep - and it's been 28 years.

ETA: My babies also slept with me until they were at least a year old - no baby monitor needed lol! I'm a big proponent of the family bed. When I weaned them to their cribs, though - I could hear every sound they made - even if they just rustled. I felt guilty - and I also missed having them in bed with me.
 
vlpate said:
Sadly I can name a ton of mothers who murder their children and say it was a kidnapping, happens all the time.
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Trenton Duckett has never been found. Window screen cut, Mom said she didn't hear nuttin. LE believed she was involved and so did I.

JMO
 
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