Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #20
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Like someone here posted...Stephany's body....will be...the best witness...how she was killed...
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bbm - We can only hope!
Stephany will talk from the grave.....and she will be heard LOUD AND CLEAR.
He would be tried first for the murder charges in Peru, wouldn't he? And have to serve his time there?
Can't imagine what the room looked like before his big cleanup. He couldn't get much outta there. Goal must have been cleanup to attempt to match to w/e "confession" he would try to sell when caught. Couldn't do much else under the circumstances and conditions of the room.
A bottom line - his confession, his story does not match the crime scene photos. And that's without the forensic evidence, etc.
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OK, just finished watching NG and the part about an Aruban being charged with an American charge and then them being able to be incarcerated in Aruba or The Netherlands. Now I'm really pizzed, because if anyone should know that....it would be Michael Griffith's. Now why in Hello didn't he come forth and tell that? I'm ticked. If this is wrong info....plz let me know to those that watched also.:furious:
Yes and wasn't it mentioned that his time served in either Aruba or Holland would be shorter? Or am I wrong?
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No, they're CIA agents don't you know....surely JVS must have top gov't secrects..............ya right.
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Just some observations from looking at the photos from the crime scene. We have been speculating about the jeans and whether they were pulled off in a struggle during an attempted sexual assault or removed either by JVS or SF without a struggle. Looking at the photo of the jeans on the Crimesider site, it does appear as though there are several blood splatters on them even though there is only one arrow. Not sure where we got the information that there was no blood on her jeans. One thing I did notice, however, is that the jeans have a two button waist and a zipper fly closure. From the photos, it does not appear as though there was any tearing in that area or anywhere else on the jeans. If there was a struggle in which the jeans were torn off, I think there would be some damage to this area. They appear to have been removed normally by undoing both the buttons and the zipper fly.
During JVSs statement, I believe the question was posed to him about why he removed her pants and shoes. He replied that he didnt know. Does this mean that LE has determined that the pants and shoes were removed after the murder? Did they come to that conclusion based on the fact that there is blood on both of them?
It has been widely reported that JVS cleaned up the scene with the bedclothes. How then does it appear as though SF is laying on them? If he used the sheets to clean up the floor as I believe he also has stated, then how did they get underneath SF? I can see what looks like white bedding in the pile with his clothes at the foot of the bed but could that be one or two pillows? We dont see the bedspread at all in the photos so perhaps it was found on the other side of the bed? Why are there no photos of that side of the room or the bedspread?
He would have had to move her to place her on those sheets if he had actually used them to clean the floor. Is it possible that she did get as far as the tiled hallway in her bid to escape and that the crime actually happened there? Tiled walls and floors lots of potential for damage there. He could not have cleaned blood from a carpeted floor very well with sheets...or anything really so did he use them to clean up the tiled hallway? Did the brown bottle of liquid, which appears to have been found in the bathroom next to a coffee cup with the lid off, figure into this possible cleaning of tile floors and walls? Was he drinking that coffee while he was cleaning? Did he buy that brown bottle when he went out for coffee? Did he move SF to the location where she was found? And if he didnt, why would he lie about using the sheets to clean the floor? Could this be why we are not seeing the video of when he went for coffee. Was there something shown in that hallway on the tape when he opened the door to go out for the coffee? Blood Stephany?
When looking at the position her body was in when found, if he did remove the shoes and jeans when she was lying there on the floor beside the bed where she was found, would her legs have fallen into that unusual legs drawn up fetal position when the rest of her body was on its back with one arm outstretched and the other beside her body?
Just wondering what everyones thoughts are on these observations.
During JVSs statement, I believe the question was posed to him about why he removed her pants and shoes. He replied that he didnt know. Does this mean that LE has determined that the pants and shoes were removed after the murder? Did they come to that conclusion based on the fact that there is blood on both of them?
It has been widely reported that JVS cleaned up the scene with the bedclothes. How then does it appear as though SF is laying on them? If he used the sheets to clean up the floor as I believe he also has stated, then how did they get underneath SF? I can see what looks like white bedding in the pile with his clothes at the foot of the bed but could that be one or two pillows? We dont see the bedspread at all in the photos so perhaps it was found on the other side of the bed? Why are there no photos of that side of the room or the bedspread?
He would have had to move her to place her on those sheets if he had actually used them to clean the floor. Is it possible that she did get as far as the tiled hallway in her bid to escape and that the crime actually happened there? Tiled walls and floors lots of potential for damage there. He could not have cleaned blood from a carpeted floor very well with sheets...or anything really so did he use them to clean up the tiled hallway? Did the brown bottle of liquid, which appears to have been found in the bathroom next to a coffee cup with the lid off, figure into this possible cleaning of tile floors and walls? Was he drinking that coffee while he was cleaning? Did he buy that brown bottle when he went out for coffee? Did he move SF to the location where she was found? And if he didnt, why would he lie about using the sheets to clean the floor? Could this be why we are not seeing the video of when he went for coffee. Was there something shown in that hallway on the tape when he opened the door to go out for the coffee? Blood Stephany?
When looking at the position her body was in when found, if he did remove the shoes and jeans when she was lying there on the floor beside the bed where she was found, would her legs have fallen into that unusual legs drawn up fetal position when the rest of her body was on its back with one arm outstretched and the other beside her body?
Just wondering what everyones thoughts are on these observations.
Do ya think his Columbian cellmate is coaching him as to what to do regarding "don't talk to the police or judge?"
It was mentioned tonight on NG that Clown did the same thing......refused to answer the judge.
Jailhouse lawyering........
It was mentioned tonight on NG that Clown did the same thing......refused to answer the judge.
Jailhouse lawyering........
That's what she said - possibly could serve a U.S. sentence in Aruba or Netherlands.
Cause MG's fixated on the same thing each time he appears on any of these shows - he'll never survive his sentence in Peru.
Yeah, probably teaching him to be a better socio/psychop.
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Yes, I was starting to notice that. Many women in the legal system there. Kudos.:dance:
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IMO..Joran moved her body...after he killed her...most likely to clean up blood around her, under her, beside her..etc...yes...I believe her moved her...possible off the bed..or..moved her to the other side of the room where the door is opened, her body would not be visible..He could have moved her more than once...all in my own opinion
I think the pants were taken off AFTER he murdered her.....sneaker first so that he could remove the jeans easier. Therefore no tearing or rips in the jeans at all.
If the crime happened in the hallway, on the tiles, that would be easily cleaned by wiping it up as apposed to the carpet...just saying.
Also if she was bleeding from the nose and the head fracture....he could have used the shirt to sop up that blood if he moved her to the bedroom....somehow I'm still going with the bedroom crime and not the hallway......she may have tried to escape but he could've dragged her by her hair back into the bedroom area......
MOO is that she definitely didn't go to his room for a trist....sexual act or anything like that. He got her there under a guise of 'let me show you my laptop poker business'.
All the while his intentions was to rob her of her winnings.....Money was first and foremost on his mind.........I don't think he thought she would put up such a fight.....but she fought for her life.
RIP Stephany Tatiana
If the crime happened in the hallway, on the tiles, that would be easily cleaned by wiping it up as apposed to the carpet...just saying.
Also if she was bleeding from the nose and the head fracture....he could have used the shirt to sop up that blood if he moved her to the bedroom....somehow I'm still going with the bedroom crime and not the hallway......she may have tried to escape but he could've dragged her by her hair back into the bedroom area......
MOO is that she definitely didn't go to his room for a trist....sexual act or anything like that. He got her there under a guise of 'let me show you my laptop poker business'.
All the while his intentions was to rob her of her winnings.....Money was first and foremost on his mind.........I don't think he thought she would put up such a fight.....but she fought for her life.
RIP Stephany Tatiana
LOL Yeah, you heard correctly. However...Possibly served in Aruba or Holland and Could be shorter.
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