CA CA - San Bernardino Co., WhtFem 101UFCA, 25-45, in desert off I-40, May'91

Ambercat · Nov 1, 2011

Kimster said:
Don't dismiss the missing from Los Angeles and even further north. Needles is a place where people travel to get further east, especially going towards Texas and the southern states.

Yes, that is definitely a possibility -- the murderer left the LA/Orange county area going in the direction of Las Vegas, yet when the 15 and 40 separate, they stayed on the 40, heading towards Arizona.

not_my_kids · Nov 1, 2011

carbuff said:
That looks like a pretty good possibility.

Another point of match: Roxanne is described as wearing a "pint tshirt," which I assume is meant to be "pink."

The trucker she left with is said to be from Texas; May 4 to about May 7 is plenty of time to get across the southern part of the country in a truck.

I found these articles about her disappearance, but nothing after 1992.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1991-05-10/news/9105100595_1_martin-lanoue-friends
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1991-05-29/news/9105290513_1_saucer-martin-fairbanks-inn
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...1_roxanne-martin-martin-parents-toothless-man

"Pint" could also mean "print". as in it had a print, it wasn't solid color. That's all I got. No potentials that haven't been listed.

Ambercat · Dec 31, 2012

According to NamUs, the following women have been ruled out as being the UID --

Mary Badaracco from Connecticut
Carmen Hetrick from Colorado
Ella Beth Lodermeier from South Dakota
Patricia Schmidt from Virginia
Tiffany Sessions from Florida (twice)
Karen Spencer from Ohio.

CarlK90245 · May 5, 2013

I got ahold of a photo of this Jane Doe's teeth. Her NamUs or DoeNet casefiles make no mention that her upper teeth protrude outward, or that she had a chipped upper-front-right incisor (#8), or that her #8 crossed slightly over her #9.

The photo isn't presentable in a public forum, so I created this depiction of what her smile would look like (aside the official facial reconstruction).

It also appears that she had an underbite. With her rear teeth clinched, there is very little overlap of her upper teeth over the lower teeth.

Boo2007 · May 16, 2013

Modnote:

fftopic:

Remains found in California identified as missing Salt Lake City woman

http://fox13now.com/2013/05/10/rema...a-identified-as-missing-salt-lake-city-woman/

Pictures at link.

fiberoptick · May 16, 2013

She went missing in 2001 but her body was found in 1991?

Treelights · May 16, 2013

Boo2007 said:
Remains found in California identified as missing Salt Lake City woman

http://fox13now.com/2013/05/10/rema...a-identified-as-missing-salt-lake-city-woman/

Pictures at link.

"Charlotte Mower went missing in 2001. She was reported missing by her sister in October 2003. " This was from the link you provided.

This thread is about a woman found deceased in 1991.

CarlK90245 · May 16, 2013

Boo2007 said:
Remains found in California identified as missing Salt Lake City woman

http://fox13now.com/2013/05/10/rema...a-identified-as-missing-salt-lake-city-woman/

Pictures at link.

fftopic:

Charlotte Mower was matched up to UP 2475. As of right now, the UP casefile is still open.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/2475

Date found: February 11, 2003
Location Found: E/B I40, 1.7 miles E/O E. Broadway St. - Needles (San Bernardino County) CA.

Circumstances (UP2475):

Jane Doe #06-03 is a female, possibly a transient, between 26 to mid 50s, 4'8" to 5'1". She had long wavy black hair. At least one pregnancy. Her body was found in a drain culvert under Interstate 40 between Needles and the California/Arizona border. Identity may only be established with dental X-rays and DNA (refer to CODIS #BK-03-000464). Possible comparison with "smiling photographs" (showing teeth).

Ambercat · May 20, 2014

This lady's page on NamUs has recently been updated (I'm not 100% sure of the update because when NamUs limited users to 50 cases, I ended up no longer tracking this one). It does look like they have a more exact location of where she was found --

42 ft. N/O I-40 FWY, at Mt. Springs Rd, Needles, CA 92363 (San Bernardino County)

Her DNA has also been submitted and the tests are complete.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/2554

carbuff · May 7, 2017

Her Namus https://identifyus.org/en/cases/2554 lists several ruleouts:

First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA

Mary Badaracco 1946 Connecticut
Pamela Dalton 1957 Missouri
Jennifer DeLap 1951 Oregon
Lourdes Dubyak 1956 California
Carmen Hetrick 1956 Colorado
Ella Beth Lodermeier 1948 South Dakota
Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
Tiffany Sessions 1968 Florida
Karen Spencer 1972 Ohio

There are also photos of her clothing and necklace. I don't remember if they were there before.

carbuff · Dec 11, 2018

updated link: Unidentified Person Case

Ruleouts list looks to be the same:

MP303 Mary Badaracco 08/20/1984 Fairfield CT
MP10520 Pamela Dalton 05/01/1991 Scott MO
MP25578 Jennifer DeLap 01/16/1991 Clackamas OR
MP17964 Lourdes Dubyak 08/11/1985 San Bernardino CA
MP8174 Carmen Hetrick 06/02/1984 El Paso CO
MP8614 Ella Beth Lodermeier 03/06/1974 Minnehaha SD
MP974 Patricia Schmidt 06/04/1985 Henrico VA
MP2413 Tiffany Sessions 02/09/1989 Alachua FL
MP2956 Karen Spencer 12/29/1989 Clermont OH

And the typo of pint for pink has been fixed.

link to the sheriff's poster with pictures of the clothing:https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/2554/Images/5183/Thumbnail

YaYa_521 · Jul 25, 2020

carbuff · Jul 27, 2020

carbuff said:
updated link: Unidentified Person Case

Ruleouts list looks to be the same:

MP303 Mary Badaracco 08/20/1984 Fairfield CT
MP10520 Pamela Dalton 05/01/1991 Scott MO
MP25578 Jennifer DeLap 01/16/1991 Clackamas OR
MP17964 Lourdes Dubyak 08/11/1985 San Bernardino CA
MP8174 Carmen Hetrick 06/02/1984 El Paso CO
MP8614 Ella Beth Lodermeier 03/06/1974 Minnehaha SD
MP974 Patricia Schmidt 06/04/1985 Henrico VA
MP2413 Tiffany Sessions 02/09/1989 Alachua FL
MP2956 Karen Spencer 12/29/1989 Clermont OH

And the typo of pint for pink has been fixed.

link to the sheriff's poster with pictures of the clothing:https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/2554/Images/5183/Thumbnail

No additional exclusions.

YaYa_521 · Jul 28, 2020

carbuff said:
No additional exclusions.

Ty. I meant and forgot to say that in the post I made to bump the thread.

carbuff · Jul 28, 2020

YaYa_521 said:
Ty. I meant and forgot to say that in the post I made to bump the thread.

No problem. We all help each other out and that's what's so great about this place as compared to some of the other crime forums I've been around.

victoriarobinson642 · Jan 21, 2021

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Normally, I don't discount a height difference of five inches, but Susan Elizabeth Sweet-Mahler matches up with this Jane Doe in nearly every other regard. Needles, CA, and Kingman, AZ are 50 miles apart, and Jane Doe has all three identifiers, so this should be an easy check.

victoriarobinson642 · Jan 21, 2021

Update: just saw that she'd been excluded.

Bit of hope · Jan 7, 2022

Refreshing the thread

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
101UFCA

Rule outs as of July 28, 2020

MP303 Mary Badaracco 08/20/1984 Fairfield CT
MP10520 Pamela Dalton 05/01/1991 Scott MO
MP25578 Jennifer DeLap 01/16/1991 Clackamas OR
MP17964 Lourdes Dubyak 08/11/1985 San Bernardino CA
MP8174 Carmen Hetrick 06/02/1984 El Paso CO
MP8614 Ella Beth Lodermeier 03/06/1974 Minnehaha SD
MP974 Patricia Schmidt 06/04/1985 Henrico VA
MP2413 Tiffany Sessions 02/09/1989 Alachua FL
MP2956 Karen Spencer 12/29/1989 Clermont OH

As of Jan 22, 2021, added

Susan Elizabeth Sweet-Mahler

Any new rule outs, since then?

Picture of her teeth, made by Carl Koppelman and his comment on post # 24.

Her upper teeth protrude outward, or that she had a chipped upper-front-right incisor (#8), or that her #8 crossed slightly over her #9.
The photo isn't presentable in a public forum, so I created this depiction of what her smile would look like (aside the official facial reconstruction) It also appears that she had an underbite. With her rear teeth clinched, there is very little overlap of her upper teeth over the lower teeth.

Sheriff poster, from 2009:
Note: in the newer poster age range is 25 - 35, Namus states 25 - 45. In the poster the chain is mentioned to be 18"

Tx2akgrown · Jun 4, 2022

PonderingThings said:
[FONT=arial,verdana,geneva,lucida][SIZE=-1]http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/101ufca.html[/SIZE][/FONT]

# Unidentified White Female Located on May 14, 1991 in San Bernardino County, California.
# Cause of death was homicide

Vital Statistics

* Estimated age: 25 - 35 years old
* Approximate Height and Weight: 5'4"; 150 lbs.
* Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown hair.
* Dentals: Dental records are available.
* Clothing: She was wearing a pink tank top with a cactus and sunflower design; pink pedal-pushers with lace fringe, whire socks and a gold chain..

Note: Pics of clothing and necklace at link

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/MissingPersons/Cases/9037/Images/21535/Original

Detailz · Sep 28, 2022

"Needles is a city in San Bernardino County, California, in the Mojave Desert region of Southern California." With a population
Needles, California is just the dumping site for this female. Situated on the western banks of the Colorado River, Needles is located near the Californian border with Arizona and Nevada.[6] The city is accessible via Interstate 40 and U.S. Route 95. The population was 4,959 at the 2020 census, up from 4,844 at the 2010 census."
Citing: Needles, California - Wikipedia
So I think that this was just a dumping site for this female's body. Needles only had about 4000 people, everyone knows everyone. But looking at the map of the area is very revealing.
If we use I-95 as the transportation route that the killer drove
To the North, you've got Las Vegas only 112 miles north. To the South, there's Blythe,California 96 miles away.
To the EAST off of I-40 we've got Flagstaff, AZ. (209 miles away)
To the WEST of Needles,CA on I-40 we've got
Barstow. CA where a major intersection of interstates occur
Look at these map coordinates
Needles

Needles · California 92363

California 92363

maps.app.goo.gl

If it were a trucker giving her a ride, he'd need to girl and he'd stay on a main road. As would a tourist to refuel and eat and sleep.

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