17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #22

deelytful1 said:

Watching all the media waiting for Zimmerman at the police station.. Wow this is bad deja vu.. except we were all waiting for someone to walk OUT of the police station {{shudder}}

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LolaMoon08 said:

Now that the right thing has been done and charges have been filed and GZ is in custody, I would like to also offer my prayers to GZ and his family. As much as I believe GZ should be held accountable for his crime... I do not believe he went out that night and intended to kill anyone. I do believe he has issues and is a danger to society. I believe he has a severe problem with authority and has a severe problem with thinking he is the law... and above the law.

My prayers are that he gets the help he needs! I pray he can come to terms with the fact that he has unjustifiably taken another human beings life and that he comes out a better person because of his dire mistake in judgement. But with that, he should be held responsible. He needs to be held responsible!

MOO

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badme102 said:

I think GZ chased Trayvon with a preconceived notion that he was "trouble" (obvious from what he said to the 911 operator-saying TM was up to 'no good' and "these *advertiser censored**holes are never caught"), his anger fueling tenfold over the entire chase, he was fed up to HERE, and took matters into his own hands.

In my very strong opinion, GZ is one of those cop wannabe's that thought policing was full of thrills, attention, hype and adrenalin--and he simply got caught up in the moment of chasing a 'bad guy' (in his warped and deluded thinking), and by golly he was going to set this one straight!

He wanted to be a hero (another cop wannabe trait) and catch one of the *advertiser censored**holes that were never caught--to somehow make himself feel more superior and "cop-like".

Don't forget that during his tenure as a self appointed 911 agent, he had never had his 'big break' and therefore hadn't yet reached hero status.

You know the type....I know you do.

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jjenny said:

Zimmerman is covered by SYG law the way it is written now. If they want to change the law it's their business. But they can not change it and then retroactively apply the changed law to Zimmerman.

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Gin said:

That guy is strange. The way FT talks about GZ, it's almost like FT is a groupie and GZ is sorta his idol.....creepy.

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elementary said:

You assert a fait accompli. Simply, you can't, now that Zimmerman has been charged with 2nd degree murder.

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Sensei said:

Actually he's not covered by it until the Judge says that he is. IF his new Attorney feels that SYG is his best Defense then there will be a hearing, and the Judge will determine at that time if the evidence supports his SYG defense.

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Florida Statute 776.032

This statutory enactment created what is known as “criminal prosecution immunity.” And stated that a person who lawfully defended themselves is “immune” from prosecution from arrest, detention, or prosecution.

As the procedure for making the determination of whether a person was “immune” from criminal prosecution was not defined by the legislature, the Florida Supreme Court cleared up the issue in Dennis v. State, 51 So. 3d 456 (Fla. 2010) and ruled:

A defendant may raise the question of statutory immunity [from criminal prosecution prior to trial] and, when such a claim is raised, the trial court must determine whether the defendant has shown by a preponderance of the evidence that the immunity attaches.

The result of this statute and the Florida Supreme Court’s ruling is that a defendant can now raise self defense at two stages in the criminal prosecution.

First, a defendant can file a motion to dismiss asking the court to find that they are entitled to dismissal by using the procedure outlined in by the Florida Supreme Court. If the court denies the motion, the defendant is still allowed to raise the issue with the jury.

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jjenny said:

I hope everybody knows that charged does not equal convicted.

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badme102 said:

As am I, nurse. A funeral director is not an expert in GSW's, nor is he a medical examiner, coroner or doctor of any kind.
I think it is highly possible that TM was shot in the back and the exit wound came out the front of his chest.

:seeya:

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Adrienne37 said:

Why didn't he man up and show his face??? I guess he's only big and bad when he's got a loaded weapon in his hand?


Taaffe accuses Angela Corey of buckling under the pressure.

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seattlechiquita said:

...I HATE not having cable. Hate it, hate it, hate it.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

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CathyinTexas said:

I have a different view, I believe when GZ ignored the dispatch about following Trayvon, he did intend to use his gun. He may have fantasized many times of killing one of those "a--" as he called Trayvon. Because he was so calm afterward and even had the wherewithal to let them know without being asked that he called for Help but no one helped him, etc, causes me to believe it was a calculated and deliberate act. JMO

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Emma Peel said:

There ya go. Al says he's happy with Angela.

So do Trayvon's parents.

Angela has been taking care of these people. She's their attorney, she's Trayvon's attorney, representing him in court ... as it should be.

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mdana said:

I am still skeptical. In high profile cases especially in Florida, it seems like they tend to overcharge in an attempt to look tough on crime. Such as the CA case. I would rather an achievable conviction than a charge that is unlikely to get a conviction. AC is a Republican appointed by Rick Scott, who has not impressed me in his other actions. With all the cover given to SPD and Rick Wolfinger during AC's PC, much of this is just political damage control. I have my doubts. JMO, IMO.

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waltzingmatilda said:

FT on JVM. He's shocked by the charges. Stunned.

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deelytful1 said:

I agree... if I knew in my heart I was innocent.. I would walk holding my head HIGH... Not like people don't know what he looks like!! pics all over HLN every 5 minutes...

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badme102 said:

I think GZ chased Trayvon with a preconceived notion that he was "trouble" (obvious from what he said to the 911 operator-saying TM was up to 'no good' and "these *advertiser censored**holes are never caught"), his anger fueling tenfold over the entire chase, he was fed up to HERE, and took matters into his own hands.

In my very strong opinion, GZ is one of those cop wannabe's that thought policing was full of thrills, attention, hype and adrenalin--and he simply got caught up in the moment of chasing a 'bad guy' (in his warped and deluded thinking), and by golly he was going to set this one straight!

He wanted to be a hero (another cop wannabe trait) and catch one of the *advertiser censored**holes that were never caught--to somehow make himself feel more superior and "cop-like".

Don't forget that during his tenure as a self appointed 911 agent, he had never had his 'big break' and therefore hadn't yet reached hero status.

You know the type....I know you do.

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CathyinTexas said:

I have thought that is possible also. But wouldn't it be a First Degree charge if he was indeed shot in the back?

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jjenny said:

I hope everybody knows that charged does not equal convicted. I meant Zimmerman can use this law for his defense the way its written now. The law can not be put on trial during Zimmerman's trial. Because the law exists now and Zimmerman is entitled to use it the way its written now.

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