NY NY - Patrick Rust, 24, Watertown, 16 March 2007

SgtPatrickSRust

Please visit the www.PatrickRust.com site to see all news clippings, new photos, TIPLINE 315-629-9340 and email patrickrust@rocketmail.com

There are two BTR interviews trimmed to just the portions that are about Patrick with players.

It's a very comprehensive site. Please share if you know of any forums in the area of Watertown, NY or Fort Drum.

From Home Page - http://www.patrickrust.com/

Sgt. Patrick Rust was assigned to the 10th Mountain Division headquartered at Fort Drum, New York. He picked up a rifle and defended our way of life against the terrorists who want to destroy it. He was our soldier, his mom and dad's son, our friend and neighbor, central New York's very own defender. He survived deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, only to die mysteriously right here in his own country, not far from where he was born.

Patrick went missing from a bar - ironically named Clueless - in Watertown, New York on March 16, 2007. Six mon
ths later his remains were found in a farmer's field over seven miles from the bar and the apartment he was staying at in Watertown. It is unknown how he got to that location. He didn't have a car and it's doubtful he'd have walked there on a cold March night. He wasn't robbed and his remains showed no trauma. His cause and manner of death remains undetermined.

So what happened to Patrick Rust, our soldier, our son, our friend and neighbor? Did you see him that night? Do you know where he went after leaving the Clueless and who with? Do you know how he got to that farmer's field? Do you know somebody who does know?

Please central New Yorkers, help us find out what happened to Patrick. He went to battle for us. Now we need to explain to his family how he died. They deserve answers. Don't we owe them that much?

Bill Sullivan, Forensic Consulting Specialties
Denny Griffin, Investigator customizable counter

http://picasaweb.google.com/patrickrustmurder/SgtPatrickSRust#slideshow/5546952148624481346
 
Would it be possible that Patrick was gay and was killed by another soldier, his "old friend" former classmate, if that individual thought he might be outed in the military?
I've known a lot of homosexual members of our military, one of who had committed suicide due to the pressures of being gay in the military.
The initial post on here describes the roommate going to get a tan? I didn't realize it was a common thing for straight men in the military to get tans.. where i live they don't do that sort of thing unless they are gay.
I don't mean to cause a stir, i just think that the info adding up, that Patrick was in a gay bar called Clueless, likely had a tad too much to drink, and had relished over a good conversation with an old friend who was in the company of another Ft Drum soldier.

It mentions that Patrick used the front door to go out for smoke breaks and to leave. Regular patrons would use the back door to enter and leave. Would it be likely Patrick used the opposite door so as not to be noticed by anyone who might see him and be in the military?

Who is this old classmate of Patricks and who was the Ft Drum soldier present with him?

After meeting up with his old friend, Patrick is drunk and less inhibited, calls his old friend barely after he had left him to tell him that he enjoyed the conversation and would hook up again.

Now Patrick met up with 2 people at Clueless, correct? His old classmate and another Fort Drum soldier?

The person of interest is a Ft Drum soldier, the same one he met up with, with the old classmate at Clueless?

Would he have been murdered if someone thought that his behavior would lead to the military finding out or thinking that they were homosexual themselves?

It is curious that the roommate called the superior to tell him that Patrick wouldn't be present. Would someone have threatened the roommate and had him call Patrick out? How would the roommate know that Patrick wouldn't be making it to formation, being he had no history of being late or missing any?

The body was found a year after he was reported missing, was there any toxicology tests done?

Polygraphs aren't admissible in court, i'd recommend voice stress analysis testing instead.

This case sounds like a hate crime might have occurred against Patrick, whether or not he was gay.
 
I am very curious why you think after almost 4 years the person responsible will be held accountable and brought to justice? I am curious as to how you knew Patrick. Do you have any idea how he got from the club Clueless to the Hayfield?

Do you have a theory as to what may have happened?

Stay tuned we are dedicated to finding out what happend to Patrick.

I have read all of these postings, and as someone who worked with Patrick for his last two years in the military, both at Fort Drum and in Afghanistan..I would like to believe that whoever was responsible will be brought to justice. I also would like to comment on some of the "conspriacy theorists" in this thread. First, Rust's roommate WAS given a lie detector test, which he passed. I know this because he was beside himself after being questioned as though he did anything more than befriend a peer that didnt want to live in the barracks any longer. FOIA request through CID would confirm that he was given a test and was EXCLUDED as a suspect. Also, the SSG (Army acronym for Staff Sergeant) was the most impacted by this event, so to even elude that he was anything outside of "extended family" to Patrick is completely insane. He followed the directive given by the CDR, 1SG, CSM, LTC...I think thats enough command directive to satisfy the biggest sceptic. He also was the one who entertained all calls, in the middle of the night as well as gave his heart and personal time to searching for Rust's remains and once found, escorting him to Dover...where he stayed for the duration, so that Patrick was not alone. There is no "cover up" on the military side. There was nothing done that was not within protocol. What there was/still is...is a small group of leaders and Soldiers who despirately wish for an answer and to know that their friend did not die in vain.
My final point, the one that angers me most...is...under SGT Rust's SGLI (life insurance)...he stated that he did not want his mother notified of his death and he named his father as his next of kin. Why is it that ANYONE should have the right to negate his wishes?
Please do not take me as a crass person, I also am a mother and come hell or high water, I would want answers...but to attack, accuse and make reference to the GOOD people, who were there on the banks of the Black River, at the Dexter Dam, calling ANYONE we could find, searching fields off the word of psychics and crying deep tears of remorse at the sad news; why attack them? We lived through this and still to this day all remain extremely close after losing a member of our "military family".
I pray that whoever was responsible come forward or get caught in some way or another, but please...keep to the facts. If there is a question of the facts, well, Rodney and Judy were given our numbers and contact information. We would all give ANYTHING to help them, just ask...dont accuse!!
 
The comment below was left on the Watertown Times site on 9/13/10 in response to a 9/12 article about Patrick - anyone know of a Minoa connection?

justasken
Clay, NY

Sep 13, 2010

umm I wonder if 1 of the soldiers live in Minoa? It isn't hard to figure out that someone was trying to make it look like Patrick was AWOL

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/watertown-ny/TA267OUU6D7EG3CRS
 
Welcome to Websleuths rusttruth. Thanks for coming to share your insight.

To be quite honest with you, the portion that I bolded in your post, illustrates exactly what I thought happened and also gives a lot of insight into which battle this Mom has chosen to fight.

Thank you very much. From one military family to another---God speed my friend.

I am not understanding what you are saying the fight Judith is fighting. Are you implying she wants the life insurance money? (I am not implying that is what you mean - I'm only trying to understand) If so what would make you think that? If it doesn't mean that what does the bolded portion mean in laypersons terms.

I am a family member of several service men and women. I would be very upset to know my son made it over and back only to disappear and be found dead.

He didn't get to the field by himself.

You might be interested to know there have been some interest by a few different TV shows.

Please if you feel you have information call the tipline or send an anonymous letter to the PO box.

FYI many more people are interested in this than just Patrick's Mom. Have you checked out his website or facebook page?

www.PatrickRust.com
 
I have read all of these postings, and as someone who worked with Patrick for his last two years in the military, both at Fort Drum and in Afghanistan..I would like to believe that whoever was responsible will be brought to justice. I also would like to comment on some of the "conspriacy theorists" in this thread. First, Rust's roommate WAS given a lie detector test, which he passed. I know this because he was beside himself after being questioned as though he did anything more than befriend a peer that didnt want to live in the barracks any longer. FOIA request through CID would confirm that he was given a test and was EXCLUDED as a suspect. Also, the SSG (Army acronym for Staff Sergeant) was the most impacted by this event, so to even elude that he was anything outside of "extended family" to Patrick is completely insane. He followed the directive given by the CDR, 1SG, CSM, LTC...I think thats enough command directive to satisfy the biggest sceptic. He also was the one who entertained all calls, in the middle of the night as well as gave his heart and personal time to searching for Rust's remains and once found, escorting him to Dover...where he stayed for the duration, so that Patrick was not alone. There is no "cover up" on the military side. There was nothing done that was not within protocol. What there was/still is...is a small group of leaders and Soldiers who despirately wish for an answer and to know that their friend did not die in vain.
My final point, the one that angers me most...is...under SGT Rust's SGLI (life insurance)...he stated that he did not want his mother notified of his death and he named his father as his next of kin. Why is it that ANYONE should have the right to negate his wishes?
Please do not take me as a crass person, I also am a mother and come hell or high water, I would want answers...but to attack, accuse and make reference to the GOOD people, who were there on the banks of the Black River, at the Dexter Dam, calling ANYONE we could find, searching fields off the word of psychics and crying deep tears of remorse at the sad news; why attack them? We lived through this and still to this day all remain extremely close after losing a member of our "military family".
I pray that whoever was responsible come forward or get caught in some way or another, but please...keep to the facts. If there is a question of the facts, well, Rodney and Judy were given our numbers and contact information. We would all give ANYTHING to help them, just ask...dont accuse!!

Would you be willing to talk to someone?

Why didn't Patrick want to live in the Barrick's anymore?

You say there is no cover up on the military side. Do you suspect a non-military person who maybe involved in Patrick's death?

Or you could send an anonymous letter to the PO box or call the TipLine.

We'd greatly appreciate any help on trying to figure out what happened.

We have been in touch with a few TV shows which are showing and interest now that the case is presented on-line and the Richard Davis Foundation has offered help. (In the Valley of Elah)

Are you SSG Saa's wife? I ask because you seem to be speaking for him and seem to slightly defensive. Here is a link to the Sequence of Events for the Service there are several service personal noted, SSG Saa's included.

Do you know who the former soldier is wanted for questioning in this article from 10/1/08?

Here's the Timeline of Patrick's last known movements. You might be familiar with it.

Do you know if there is any connection with the bar Clueless and the Tanning Salon - Totally Tan Sun Center 103 North Massey Street, Watertown, NY 13601? This is where the roommate tanned. Which has almost all negative ratings. This is where Patrick Rust's roommate tanned on 3/17/07 at 7:50pm Rust left to walk home. At 8:30pm roommate arrived back home Rust wasn't there. Tanning is usually no more than 20 mins, what'd he do for the other 20 mins. It's 12 mins to walk and 3 mins by car.


This is the latest blog posting on Patrick:
http://timesupblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/who-protects-those-who-serve-us.html

FYI lots of people pass lie detector tests, Ted Bundy for one.
 
imho, i really think that patrick was murdered for either being gay or someone assuming he was gay and the murderer was either
a. insecure with their own sexuality to murder someone they perceived "gay"
b. murdered patrick to cover up others finding out that they themselves were gay

maybe patrick didn't want to live in the barracks as he faced constant discrimination or bullying?
he was living in an apartment with another guy, <modsnip>.
maybe his roommate was under pressure by others or even being blackmailed threatened by others who said they would tell superiors their sexuality.

i know a marine who sadly committed suicide do to being gay and having his superiors find out. it's sad.
 
Program: Public Eye with Jeff Cole
Episode: The Mysterious Death of Patrick Rust

Sgt. Patrick Rust went missing from a local bar on March 16, 2007. Six months later, his remains were found in a farmers field over seven miles from the bar and the apartment he was staying at in Watertown. It is unknown how he got to that location. He did not have a car, and it is doubtful he would have walked there on a cold March night. He was not robbed and his remains showed no trauma.

http://watch.wpbstv.org/video/1865341294
 
I watched the PBS video and I thought the police officers were defensive and their answers were self serving at best. They trashed Patrick by saying he was in a puddle from drugs and offered no evidence. In fact I'd like to know how a soldier could have such a severe habit and the service not know about it. How would he have constantly gotten ahead in his career if this was so? Didn't he has a physical upon his return from overseas wouldn't drug use have shown up and wouldn't he have been sited?

The other thing was Patrick was an adult and his room mate was not his keeper. How many service men go off base and cut loose a little and spend the night at a friends (girl/boy). Patrick had no history of ever being AWOL with or without this room mates help.

How can they say he was high on drugs without either taking a blood test or hair test or having an eye witness see him consuming those drugs,

Patrick was looking forward to going to Syracuse the next day with his father. Why would he go that night and disappoint his father?

They also failed to mention there is a road back into the field and that's where they found one of Patrick lace-up hiking boots. Not something which would have fallen off by accident.

I wonder if there is an ariel photographer in the area who might show it on film. They made it sound like just a 3 miles. It was more like 5 and into a deep field.

Patrick served his country and no one seems to care how it was he lost his life. It seemed the police's only purpose on the PBS show was to trash Patrick. And cover their asses for not doing their jobs.


Made me mad.

Best Cherry
 
The only thing i would add is i doubt people fearing being "outed" would be seen at a local gay bar that other military men were known to frequent. Id assume most people would know and either ignored/didnt care Also, i dont know the area but why were military men said to frequent the bar? Around here it is how many taps, what games are on, if they have great food, the bands that play, or whatever niche it gives. Was it the only bar in that area? Was it known for high quality or easily accessible street drugs?
What i do agree on is the cocaine drug idea. I dont know any other way to put it, clubs/gay bars are extremely popular for glamor drugs, and i read above the bartender stated Pat said he was "high" on something or another. I guess im trying to state that he was being told "youve had too many drinks" and then having a coherent conversation shortly after (voicemail) would most likely point to a speed.

ETA: I watched the interview, and i feel i should state i dont know if he had a drug problem or cared if he did, these "officers" should realize prostitutes, drug addicts, homeless people, and all the other things usually linked into "oh well" cases have parents, sisters, brothers, and most of the time they are tax payers, although all deserve justice.
 
http://theslamdunktrove.blogspot.com/2011/05/part-i-crime-victim-sergeant-patrick.html

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Crime Wire on May 10
Sgt. Patrick Rust was assigned to the 10th Mountain Division headquartered at Fort Drum in Watertown, New York. In January 2007, he returned from deployment to Afghanistan. Following a 30 day leave he was back on post. The then 24-year-old Rust was a local boy and was familiar with Watertown and the surrounding area. He didn’t have a driver’s license or vehicle.
On Wednesday, March 14, 2007, Sgt. Rust moved most of his personal effects from the barracks on base to share an apartment with fellow soldier at 156 Sterling Street, Apartment 4, in Watertown.
The following day Patrick rode back to the apartment with his new roommate after they were released from duty at around 5 pm. At around 6:30 they left the apartment in the roommate's car and drove to the Salmon Run Mall. While there Patrick purchased some games for his Gameboy PSP player in the Best Buy store. They then went to the food court and got something to eat at Wendy’s. At around 7:50 the pair left the mall and split up a short time later, with the roommate stopping at a tanning salon and Patrick walking back to their apartment.
The next reported sighting of Patrick was between 9 and 10 p.m. at a well-known gay and lesbian bar on Arsenal Street called Clueless. It was an establishment Patrick had never been at before and it is unknown why he went there that night. Patrick reportedly left the bar at around 1 a.m. on March 16 and disappeared. His skeletal remains were found six months later in a farmer's field about five miles outside of Watertown. How he got to that location is unknown and his manner of death is undetermined.
Joining us to discuss the latest developments in Patrick's case is forensic investigator and Crime Wire Consultant Bill Sullivan.
For the second segment, we're pleased to welcome award winning author Diane Fanning. She'll talk about her book Mommy's Little Girl, the story of the death of Caylee Anthony, and the upcoming trial of Casey Anthony.
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Together we can make a difference.
 
Thank you for bringing this forward, ChaCha.
 
Part II: Crime Victim Sergeant Patrick Rust

Posted by Slamdunk on Monday, May 16, 2011
Labels: crime, missing persons, police, Sgt. Patrick Rust

As what usually happens in discussing missing persons/former missing persons: I think I can cover the topic adequately in one or two posts, but later realize I cannot. So, here is the second and not the last post on the Rust case...
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Case Summary

On March 16, 2007 at about 1 am, US Army Sergeant Patrick Rust, who had recently returned from a tour in Afghanistan, left a bar called Clueless in Watertown, NY. Rust had been drinking with friends at the establishment for several hours, was apparently intoxicated, and the bartender refused to serve him any more.

After leaving the bar, investigators reported that Rust's phone was used twice to call one of the friend's he had talked with that night/morning. Police have been unable to find anyone who saw him alive again.

The sergeant's roommate, also active-duty, told police that he had not seen the missing man since the day before and that Rust did not return home from the bar that morning. Rust did not show-up for work at Fort Drum that next morning and Rust's mother, the roommate, and his supervisor subsequently reported him missing the following Monday.

Six months later, Rust's skeletal remains were found in a field six miles from the bar. An autopsy was inconclusive as to a cause of death.

Observations (Continued)

--Reportedly, Rust's wallet and ID were recovered with his body. The wallet contained $80--making it less likely to believe that robbery was a motive in this case.

--According to the CrimeWire case broadcast, Rust was not wearing a heavy jacket, gloves, or a hat the very cold morning that he left on foot from the bar and vanished.

--Rust had moved into his off-base apartment with the new roommate the day prior to when he went missing. Allegedly, Rust's personal belongings were removed from his apartment prior to him being reported missing to local police (after military officials knew).

--Rust's roommate told investigators that he contacted Rust's supervisor and told him that (Rust) would not be reporting for duty as scheduled that morning. This contact was made two hours prior to when Rust was scheduled to start his shift.

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One of the local news services requested (via the Freedom of Information Act or FOIA) and was granted access to some of the investigative reports.

From this, they learned about specific angles that investigators have focused.

When someone disappears, accurate and inaccurate portrayals of the individual begin to appear--creating additional pain for the families and sometimes causing the investigation to be misdirected.

With that said, I want to be careful and respectful in discussing some additional information; as there have been some allegations made about Sgt. Rust.

I do want to offer some insights on two additional and controversial aspects of the Rust case:

  • The "Clueless" bar is known as an alternative lifestyle or gay (evidently not exclusively lesbian/gay though) bar; and,
  • Sgt. Rust reportedly discussed trying to obtain cocaine the night he vanished.
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I'll continue there next time; specifically with why investigators would be very interested in these two bits of information.

More information on this case can be found at Patrickrust.com or my other posts on Sgt. Rust are here.
 
http://theslamdunktrove.blogspot.com/2011/05/part-iii-crime-victim-sgt-patrick-rust.html

Part III: Crime Victim Sgt. Patrick Rust
Posted by Slamdunk on Monday, May 23, 2011
Labels: crime, criminal justice, police, Sgt. Patrick Rust
Continuing from last Monday...
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Case Summary

On March 16, 2007 at about 1 am, US Army Sergeant Patrick Rust, who had recently returned from a tour in Afghanistan, left a bar called Clueless in Watertown, NY. Rust had been drinking with friends at the establishment for several hours, was apparently intoxicated, and the bartender refused to serve him any more.

After leaving the bar, investigators reported that Rust's phone was used twice to call one of the friends he had talked with that night/morning. Police have been unable to find anyone who saw him alive again.

The sergeant's roommate, also active-duty, told police that he had not seen the missing man since the day before and that Rust did not return home from the bar that morning. Rust did not show-up for work at Fort Drum that next morning and Rust's mother, the roommate, and his supervisor subsequently reported him missing the following Monday.

Six months later, Rust's skeletal remains were found in a field six miles from the bar. An autopsy was inconclusive as to a cause of death.

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Last week, I ended with two aspects of the Rust case that I wanted to discuss further.

The first was:

The "Clueless" bar is known as an alternative lifestyle or gay (evidently not exclusively lesbian/gay though) bar.

Lifestyles
An alternate lifestyle/gay bar in a community that does not feature many similar establishments may be significant in this case.

First, since it was know that Clueless was this type of place, it could attract persons in the general public with violent tendencies--specifically, those that may loiter nearby to victimize customers leaving.

A very intoxicated man leaving a bar in the early morning would make for an appealing crime target.

Second, Don't Ask Don't Tell was the US armed forces policy at the time of Sgt. Rust's disappearance.

Could persons who were violent toward active duty soldiers running in such social circles have been loitering to victimize a comrade leaving Clueless? Certainly.

Finally, Sgt. Rust's presence at the establishment was known by several soldiers. He placed cell phone calls to what investigators described as soldiers outside his circle of friends the evening that he disappeared.

Could someone believing that he was participating in a *advertiser censored*/bisexual lifestyle have intentionally gone to the bar that morning to deceive and then confront Rust?

Certainly again.

In sum, the possibility of a hate crime could be a factor in this case.

I'll save my second point until next time: that investigators were examining allegations that Sgt. Rust was trying to obtain cocaine the night he vanished.
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More information on this case can be found at Patrickrust.com or my other posts on Sgt. Rust are here.
 
well a few things come to my mind..one unless someone had a gun on him he went there in a car and on his own will power . and to get into a hay field again your only walking in if your being made too or maybe to ..Ill try to be discreet but maybe to use a bail of hay as a place to be well lets go with be accectionate towords a female .. further more if he were walked out there by someone with a gun he was shot someehere that it didnt hit bone and u wouldnt see the marks on the skelleton same with 2 guys maybe draging him out there say they beat him chanced are anyone rough enough to beat a guy to death is gonna leave some marks on the skelleton broken rib nose, something . this is way out there but any chance he did go with a female and if he did use cocaine and was involved in extra coricular activities with this girl maybe his heart was just working to ward and he simply died right there of a cardiac arrest and the girl freaked and took off never tells anyone .......bran new here these r just a thought sorry if i am way way off.
 

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