FL 17 y/o Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #12

curl_in_progress · Mar 31, 2012

pinkflamingo said:
I am sorry for your brother's incident. However, if what the gf said is true, why did she not reach out to anyone that night? Are you telling me that she overheard a deadly confrontation, heard the phone get dropped and go silent and then couldn't reach her bf at all that night and didn't do anything about it? IMO she encouraged TM to go after GZ and then the altercation occurred. She did not reach out to anyone because she didn't want TM to get in trouble with the police for harming GZ. I haven't seen anything that points to that TM did not attack GZ. He's not been arrested because eyewitnesses at the scene saw TM on top. So, no, I don't see that it is so clear cut. This isn't some giant conspiracy. moo

I realize that this post is all your opinion, but this is outrageous. I can't say what the GF did after that call dropped. I wonder as well. But to suggest that she told Trayvon to "go after" GZ is absurd. She has specifically said that she told him to RUN.

Your post disgusts me. But that is just MY opinion.

angelmom · Mar 31, 2012

pinkflamingo said:
I am sorry for your brother's incident. However, if what the gf said is true, why did she not reach out to anyone that night? Are you telling me that she overheard a deadly confrontation, heard the phone get dropped and go silent and then couldn't reach her bf at all that night and didn't do anything about it? IMO she encouraged TM to go after GZ and then the altercation occurred. She did not reach out to anyone because she didn't want TM to get in trouble with the police for harming GZ. I haven't seen anything that points to that TM did not attack GZ. He's not been arrested because eyewitnesses at the scene saw TM on top. So, no, I don't see that it is so clear cut. This isn't some giant conspiracy. moo

It is astonishing to me that some people are willing to believe GZ, who we know has a history of violence, breaking the rules, and lying (his initial story to LE about Tray coming up to his car and talking to him), willing to believe Sanford LE who we know has a history of lying and racial discrimination , but would automatically assume that this girl is lying based on absolutely no knowledge of her. We don't know that she never tried to call Tray back; we don't know that she never told anyone. I have heard nothing to indicate that she is a liar. But of course, she must be. :waitasec: I don't get it.

Donjeta · Mar 31, 2012

LiveLaughLuv said:
Fortunately, CNN is on the case, and had their audio specialist isolate the 1.6 seconds involved, modify it so background noise was removed, and played it back. And while the CNN anchor involved declined to state definitively whether the slur was used, both the editor and the anchor said it sounded an awful lot like it was, especially when the word alone was isolated. Mediaite discovered the segment and linked it. You can watch and decide for yourself below:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cnn...mmerman-911-call-racial-slur-now-very-likely/

I posted this in the other thread..I believe this is very clear here..I hear it clearly...according to this the police claim they missed this...

Please listen and let me know if you hear what I do hear and it's a C...

It sounded clear to me *shrug*

The discussion after the taped segment is interesting.
I didn't realize the significance of the word in the respect whether it's federal or not.

iluvmua · Mar 31, 2012

Did TM's family & Attorney not expect for people to eventually find out about his past?
and now they cry "foul".

There is no big conspiracy going on.

claudicici · Mar 31, 2012

LiveLaughLuv said:
Fortunately, CNN is on the case, and had their audio specialist isolate the 1.6 seconds involved, modify it so background noise was removed, and played it back. And while the CNN anchor involved declined to state definitively whether the slur was used, both the editor and the anchor said it sounded an awful lot like it was, especially when the word alone was isolated. Mediaite discovered the segment and linked it. You can watch and decide for yourself below:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cnn...mmerman-911-call-racial-slur-now-very-likely/

I posted this in the other thread..I believe this is very clear here..I hear it clearly...according to this the police claim they missed this...

Please listen and let me know if you hear what I do hear and it's a C...

From the link:
" It bolsters the idea that his killing of Trayvon Martin was at least partially racially motivated, making the case potentially a federal hate crime, rather than a state-level instance of reckless or negligent homicide." ITA

Bottle Cap · Mar 31, 2012

leanaí;7742239 said:
I for one do not believe a word the girlfriend says.

Does anyone know when she found out Martin was killed? If she heard all she says she did she sure wasn't concerned enough to make sure he was alright.

Why in the world would a 15 year old girl be accused of lying? Just like Trayvon, the expectation of her from certain quarters is for her to have navigated this terrible situation with consummate self-composure and thoroughness, as if she were an adult.

IMO, if a 15 year child who was an innocent bystander - has to be smeared in order to make GZ into an innocent victim, we're in sad sad shape.

Adrienne37 · Mar 31, 2012

Donjeta said:
It sounded clear to me *shrug*

The discussion after the taped segment is interesting.
I didn't realize the significance of the word in the respect whether it's federal or not.

If he said what we all hear him say, it makes it a hate crime and he can be charged as such. Personally myself, I'd like to see him end up with state and federal charges and I hope he sits there for the rest of his pathetic life.

I wonder if it bothers him knowing that he has taken over the #1 spot of the most hated person in America from another murderer? I hope it does. I hope Trayvon haunts his dreams for the rest of his pathetic life.

and yes - JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON!!!

~jmo~

iluvmua · Mar 31, 2012

Bottle Cap said:
Why in the world would a 15 year old girl be accused of lying? Just like Trayvon, the expectation of her from certain quarters is for her to have navigated this terrible situation with consummate self-composure and thoroughness, as if she were an adult.

IMO, if a 15 year child who was an innocent bystander - has to be smeared in order to make GZ into an innocent victim, we're in sad sad shape.

Maybe because 15 year old lie, not saying she is lying about this.

nobody knows if she is or is not lying about anything.

raeann · Mar 31, 2012

pinkflamingo said:
We shouldn't sleuth her but the FBI should. She's the last person who talked to him and also supposedly on the phone with him while it was happening. And it appears that she didn't reach out to anyone that night. WHY?

HOW does it "appear" that she didn't reach out to anyone? Where is the link that shows that she just did her nails and went to bed or whatever people seem to be assuming? We KNOW she was on the phone with him and for how long. We KNOW that she attempted to call his phone back.....which by the way means that it was RINGING WHILE THE POLICE WERE ON THE SCENE!!!! Other than that we do not know anything about what her following actions were and it is of no consequence anyway. SHE didn't kill Trayvon, GZ did. She is a victim and a witness and a CHILD.

jmo

angelmom · Mar 31, 2012

iluvmua said:
Did TM's family & Attorney not expect for people to eventually find out about his past?
and now they cry "foul".

There is no big conspiracy going on.

What does his past have to do with this case, though? Even GZ hasn't said that Tray did anything illegal that night to spark a confrontation. GZ didn't know about Tray's "past" so that couldn't have influenced his suspicions.

The only purpose for bringing up his trouble at school is to smear the victim and make GZ look like a psychic hero for realizing that this "criminal" was in the neighborhood.

I'm not buying.

LiveLaughLuv · Mar 31, 2012

iluvmua said:
Did TM's family & Attorney not expect for people to eventually find out about his past?
and now they cry "foul".

There is no big conspiracy going on.

His past had diddily squat to do with what happened this fateful night?

Do you think GZ knew this child had been suspended?

Even if TM was starting to exhibit behavior problems, like most teens who go through different stages, his father had no time to correct him..it still doesn't give anyone a right to murder in cold blood..

It's amazing that someone can have a loaded weapon and tell the police he was in fear of his life. Trayvon had no weapon...how does this start to even be a balanced encounter? Fist to guns? Is that a fair balance?

I suppose those who approve of this stand your ground law, might be the ones' who are standing up for GZ...approve of his actions, I certainly don't. I don't see how a 29 y/o can be fearful of one teen walking home. Had it been a pack of teens, then he might be onto something...but not one lone person. His actions do not equal up for me..dude has a propensity for violence. Trayvon has never been arrested so what happened in school has nothing to do with this fateful encounter...:banghead:

angelmom · Mar 31, 2012

iluvmua said:
Maybe because 15 year old lie, not saying she is lying about this.

nobody knows if she is or is not lying about anything.

And adults don't lie? May I refer you to the entire Casey Anthony case for exhibit A.

BBM...exactly true. So we should give her the benefit of the doubt until and unless it is proven otherwise. We KNOW that GZ and/or Sanford PD lied about at least part of this story already.

pinkflamingo · Mar 31, 2012

Bottle Cap said:
http://newsone.com/nation/kirstensavali/trayvon-martins-brother-i-cant-believe-hes-gone/

It did my heart good to watch the brother speak. He's a well-dressed well-spoken young man with a good head on his shoulders. He was honest about his take-away from the 911 call, saying he couldn't be sure about what he heard - and how horrible for him to have to listen to it.

He belies the disgusting insinuations about the Martin family's parenting skills. He has braces, not a grill. He's in school. He's articulate. So as far as the Martin's raising "troubled" thuggish neer-do-wells, I think we can put that one to bed immediately. I know the brother is not Trayvon, but the brother is a product of the Martin family.

No, this is not his actual brother, but TM's father's girlfriend's son.

pinkflamingo · Mar 31, 2012

curl_in_progress said:
I realize that this post is all your opinion, but this is outrageous. I can't say what the GF did after that call dropped. I wonder as well. But to suggest that she told Trayvon to "go after" GZ is absurd. She has specifically said that she told him to RUN.

Your post disgusts me. But that is just MY opinion.

Well. he hasn't been arrested yet has he? Apparently many people think TM attacked GZ first.

claudicici · Mar 31, 2012

iluvmua said:
Did TM's family & Attorney not expect for people to eventually find out about his past?
and now they cry "foul".

There is no big conspiracy going on.

What about his past? His past that was full of promise,of horses,birthday parties,love and life,checkered with a bit of average adolescent bad behavior,his past that now has NO Future ,to learn from those minor mistakes he made,that so many of us made and yet they are being brought up?

Donjeta · Mar 31, 2012

iluvmua said:
Did TM's family & Attorney not expect for people to eventually find out about his past?
and now they cry "foul".

There is no big conspiracy going on.

What past? Do his suspensions from school and any other youthful indiscretions that GZ knew nothing about somehow explain his death?

Oh, I know. In his past, he used to be black too.

*still reeling from the audio*

LiveLaughLuv · Mar 31, 2012

Homicide detective Chris Serino says he wanted George Zimmerman slapped with manslaughter charges in shooting death of Trayvon Martin

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...rayvon-martin-article-1.1051848#ixzz1qhfcGe8o

curl_in_progress · Mar 31, 2012

pinkflamingo said:
No, this is not his actual brother, but TM's father's girlfriend's son.

That is his half brother. That is Sybrina Fulton's oldest son.

LambChop · Mar 31, 2012

iluvmua said:
Maybe because 15 year old lie, not saying she is lying about this.
nobody knows if she is or is not lying about anything.

BBM: Funny but the post seems to be saying because she's 15, she did. Maybe we need to move on to another subject this one can't go anywhere. jmo

Adrienne37 · Mar 31, 2012

pinkflamingo said:
No, this is not his actual brother, but TM's father's girlfriend's son.

Excuse me? This is Trayvon's half-brother. Did you not notice his last name? FULTON - JAHVARIS FULTON. Trayon's mother is SYBRINA FULTON.

At least he isn't out lying about what his brother did or didn't do unlike another brother that we've seen in the last couple of days. You know, barely conscious, trying to lift his head off the concrete so he wouldn't end up in diapers and being spoon fed.

~jmo~

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