Surprising amount of Maddie's hair in car trunk

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We must learn to not believe everything we read about this case....much has been proven to be otherwise.
 
guineveer said:
Actually what it says is: "a source close to the investigation told The Times that forensics experts had found a surprising amount of Madeleine's hair in the hired Renault Scenic"

It also says... "Detectives had expected to find some of Madeleine's genetic material, skin flakes or hair in the car because it had been used to carry the family's belongings, including her clothes and toys"

and this: "the amount of hair came as a surprise, the source said, although detectives were not confident that they could prove beyond doubt their suspicions that Madeleine's body was ever in the car."

And about the DNA matches? "police today denied that there had been any perfect match, or one strong enough to stand up in court."

(Bolding all mine.)

Interesting article! I suggest everyone read the entire thing, before jumping onto sensational headlines or paragraph headers. ;)
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Well, guineveer, you appear to have confused this thread with the FACTS. You go, girl :blowkiss:
 
Betsy said:
Two thoughts....

1. It keeps being said that the car was rented by the McCanns 25 days after Maddie "disappeared". That would be May 28th, right? But has it ever been said how long they rented it for? Because on May 29th is when they flew to Italy to visit with the Pope. Did they only need a car to get to the airport? Or did they rent it long-term? How long were they in Italy? Did they come straight back to Portugal, or do more travelling? Why pay for a car if you're going to be out of the country? Did they drive the car to the airport that day? Was it parked at the airport while they were gone? Did someone know this, and used the car while they were gone?

2. This may mean nothing, but I've read that the McCanns spent the day of Maddie's 4th birthday walking along the beach. I think I personally would spend the day paralyzed in bed, but maybe not if....if I knew that being on the beach was actually as close to my child as I could possibly get, i.e. if she were in the ocean somewhere....

Just some random thoughts...
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I belive it was last night, (9/10) on Greta that it was stated that the McCann's did indeed rent or hire the car a day prior to them flying to Rome, however it was done in this manner for friends and family to have access to a car while the parents were out of the area. So from my take on that info, a whole heck of a lot of people had access to the car then just Gerry and Kate.
 
Dr. Perper and another expert were on Nancy Grace tonite saying that hair could come out easily from a deceased person. Maybe in clumps after being dead awhile they maybe from moving the body. There's must be something to it if there is lots of hair in clumbs and the cadaver dog hitting on a scent. I would think that the dog was dual trained and looking for Maddie's scent just as Dobber was looking for Lacey's scent as a cadaver.
 
txsvicki said:
Dr. Perper and another expert were on Nancy Grace tonite saying that hair could come out easily from a deceased person. Maybe in clumps after being dead awhile they maybe from moving the body. There's must be something to it if there is lots of hair in clumbs and the cadaver dog hitting on a scent. I would think that the dog was dual trained and looking for Maddie's scent just as Dobber was looking for Lacey's scent as a cadaver.
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To add on to what Txsvicki stated, ( Greta, 9/11 ) Dr. Baden also said that the forensics specialists should also be able to tell if the clumps of hair were from someone who was alive at the time that they came out or if the hair had fallen out after death had occured. From what I was able to gather by what he said was that the folicle changes after death, he went on to explain just what the change is however I missed part of the explanation.
 
The hair thing puzzles me - If we go with the scenario that the hair is all post mortem and came out in clumps when the body was being moved - then it begs the question that the body was not properly sealed and then we get back to the point that there would be a massive amount of DNA in that trunk -

At present there seems to be so much confusing and conflicting statements coming out of Portugal at the moment .
 
the hair thing could be crucial

I did read somewhere that unlike DNA scientists can tell if hair came from a living body or post mortem

But in order to make sure it is Maddy;s hair you need a follicle to get a DNA marker

so the hair could be vital -
 
If someone really did take Madeleine for blackmail or if it was a botched kidnapping that the McCanns were in on (see my theory on kidnapping for kidnapping insurance money on the theories page) could someone have planted the hair in the car as a "warning" or to frame the McCanns?
I wish we knew more details about this hair!
 
BrendaStar said:
If Madeleine were dead, would her hair be falling out?

No, but it could have gotten caught on something in the rental's trunk.
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I really think Maddy is gone and if that's her hair, we don't really need any more proof. These parents were wrong from the get-go and are responsible for her death, even if not by their own hands.
 
april4sky said:
Article here about the hair in the car.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=482049&in_page_id=1770

Madeleine: Hair in McCann Renault: 'It could be anyone's'
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Thanks for posting the link.

I admit I have been away from my computer and away from TV news for most of the day on more than one occasion and with this case having so many last minute twists and changes it is hard for me to keep up sometimes.

If I am understanding correctly from reading your post and others posts it seems that much of the "evidence" against the parents that we thought was solid evidence and which was being trumpeted in many news reports is now turning out to not be correct or at least vastly less than was first reported. Am I getting the correct impression?
 
docwho3 said:
Thanks for posting the link.

I admit I have been away from my computer and away from TV news for most of the day on more than one occasion and with this case having so many last minute twists and changes it is hard for me to keep up sometimes.

If I am understanding correctly from reading your post and others posts it seems that much of the "evidence" against the parents that we thought was solid evidence and which was being trumpeted in many news reports is now turning out to not be correct or at least vastly less than was first reported. Am I getting the correct impression?
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It would appear so.

I am surprised:waitasec: "not" that so little interest is being shown in this "news" as the thread went completely crazy when we first heard about the "clumps" of Madeleine's hair.
 
Key word here April... 'Sensationalism'. A small amount of hair found that now can't be identified is not as senstional as "clumps of Madeleine's hair found in boot of car".
 
Wow. Interesting "re-calibration" of these news reports. I remain skeptical, about all reports; the intitial reports of hair clumps, as well as the "revised" (we don't know whose it is) reports.

I will continue to muse and speculate, on the numerous theories, until this thing spins itself out. It will probably take a while. News companies must be selling a $#it-load of papers, and clicks on news sites.

I think others here, for the most part, may do the same. And most here seem to know full well, that we are at sorely lacking transcripts of interviews, copies of documents, etc. That said, our theories are largely "If-Then" scenarios. i.e., if the report has a shred of truth to it, then the following event may have happened.

Always know I can find the best links to the most current versions of news, right here ;]
 
BloodshotEye said:
Wow. Interesting "re-calibration" of these news reports. I remain skeptical, about all reports; the intitial reports of hair clumps, as well as the "revised" (we don't know whose it is) reports.

I will continue to muse and speculate, on the numerous theories, until this thing spins itself out. It will probably take a while. News companies must be selling a $#it-load of papers, and clicks on news sites.

I think others here, for the most part, may do the same. And most here seem to know full well, that we are at sorely lacking transcripts of interviews, copies of documents, etc. That said, our theories are largely "If-Then" scenarios. i.e., if the report has a shred of truth to it, then the following event may have happened.

Always know I can find the best links to the most current versions of news, right here ;]
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Nice post. Well said.
 
Apparently the three children were all IVF. so the discussion (amongst many others) is that maybe the three egss were fertilozed at the same time but that there were two pregnancies. This may account for the similarity of the DNA between the twins and Madeleine.


As my medical knowledge is -33percent, has anyone got enough to know whether or not this is a possibility?
 
Oh geez, mouse, that is so possible. Most moms I know who have undergone IVF harvest a lot of eggs at one time to save themselves the expense and inconvenience.
 
Yeah but I mean, eggs are eggs... we have all the eggs we are ever gonna have at the time we are born. It doesn't matter. siblings are siblings. And maddie's DNA is Maddie's DnA. unless one of the twins is her absolute identical twin (not fraternal - identical, caused by an extra split of the egg)... which wouldn't be possible... then no...

More likely, the hair is there because after death, your hair starts to fall out because some of the follicles start to release. Sad.
 
pedinurse said:
Yeah but I mean, eggs are eggs... we have all the eggs we are ever gonna have at the time we are born. It doesn't matter. siblings are siblings. And maddie's DNA is Maddie's DnA. unless one of the twins is her absolute identical twin (not fraternal - identical, caused by an extra split of the egg)... which wouldn't be possible... then no...

More likely, the hair is there because after death, your hair starts to fall out because some of the follicles start to release. Sad.
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:doh: Doh! I should've known that. Thanks, pedinurese
 
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