CA CA - Lompoc, WhtFem 16-25, 205UFCA, overbite, horseshoe earrings, Aug'69

...In San Jose, Chief of Detective Barton Collins said "I'd like to talk with Andrew Manuel" about the murder of Gay Furlong, 14, and Kathy Snoozy, 15.

The bodies of the girls were found savagely stabbed to death Sunday night on a San Jose hillside.

"I'd like to talk to anyone who could tell me anything about how hese two kids were killed," the San Jose chief said.

He would not speculate, however, on any link between the deaths and those of Miss Phillips and the unidentified Salinas girl....

Here is a newspaper story of the time which goes into more depth about the murders of Gay Furlong and Kathy Snoozy.

Police later arrested a man named Karl Werner for the murders and he was subsequently tried and convicted of killing them and another woman. He was given three life sentences. Could he have also murdered the Lompoc Jane Doe?

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San Francisco Chronicle
August 6, 1969 - front page
The 'Frenzy' Of San Jose Girls' Slayer
The two young girls, found dead Sunday on a sun-parched San Jose hillside, appear to have been victims of a sexual psychopath, whose blood frenzy led him to "overkill."
Dr. John E. Hauser, Santa Clara county's chief medical examiner and coroner, said yesterday that the girls, Deborah Gay Furlong, 14, and Kathy Snoozy, 15, died in a "frenzied flurry of knife-wounds" inflicted so swiftly that neither gave any evidence of having struggled against the attack.
Dr. Hauser, so shaken by the brutality of the crime he could scarcely find words, said the Snoozy youngster had 150 wounds on her back, 50 on the front and a "storm" of punctures on her neck. Deborah's body had about 100 wounds on her back and upper front and a dozen on her neck.

PUZZLE

Dr. Hauser said he was "puzzled" by many aspects of the brutal slaying. He said neither girl had been sexually molested; neither had suffered any wounds below her waist, neither gave evidence of having struggled to escape.
Only the Snoozy girl, he said, had one small mark on her hand, suggesting she may have tried vainly to deflect the plunging knife.
The coroner said both girls must have died very quickly and he is investigating the possibility they may have been drugged before the stabbing began. Blood and skin samples as well as stomach contents have been sent for further examination to area laboratories, he said. The results should be known in a few days.
It is Dr. Hauser's opinion that the multiple puncture wounds were inflicted by one or two small knives, the largest wound the size of a pocket knife with a half-inch blade.
"I've never seen a case with this many stab wounds," Dr. Hauser said. "You know, I've been in this profession a long time and sometimes I think I'm rather callous, but when I saw these girls, believe me it was terrifying.
"The Nazi sex mutilations during World War II were nothing compared to what was done to these young girls.

INVESTIGATION

So far, according to Chief of San Jose Detectives Barton Collins, his investigators have uncovered no solid clues to the slaying.
He said police and sheriff's deputies are looking for a "light colored van—a Volkswagen, a Dodge, a Chevrolet or a Ford" in which the girls may have been killed and then rolled, carried or dragged down the hillside to a grove of snarled, dusty oaks where their bodies were found.
Both he and the coroner emphasized that at the scene there was almost no blood, suggesting they had been slain elsewhere.
Collins said he and his men have talked to at least 200 people so far, searching for some information that might draw them closer to the killer.
Asked if he were looking for a "mad man," Collins, pale and exhausted, snapped:
"I'm looking for a killer and it doesn't matter whether he was under drugs or what."
Collins did not mention this, but the Chronicle learned that wedged in between the two bodies of the dead girls police found a "new," but empty beer can. There was speculation the killer may have rolled or carried one girl down, then finished off a can of beer, and then disposed of the second body without noticing the can.
The scene, not more than six blocks from where the two girls lived with their families in a neat, prosperous subdivision in San Jose's Almaden area, was utterly desolate yesterday.
A few small boys on bicycles paused to look up at the tanned knoll, swathed with wide paths used for scrambles by neighborhood motorcyclists, and scurried off.
Normally scores of children play in that area, because, in the words of Deborah's father, Glen Furlong, "It's the only open area close by where kids can go to."
Housewives living in hte immediate area, across the street and around the corner, conceded they were suddenly "very frightened."
One mother said that since the murder she had seen some children poking around the scene, and added, "We were shocked.
"Maybe their parents don't care. But I wouldn't let mine go up there . . . "

PUBLICITY

Although very close to tears, Furlong said yesterday that he was allowing interviews in the hope that more and more publicity "would trigger something in someone's mind and we can solve this crime."
The 40-year old father works at the big International Business Machines plant only about a mile away from the family home. He is a senior associate engineer in the logic design section of IBM and he tried to bring objectivity to the disaster that has befallen his family.
"The individual or individuals who did this either had to be deranged or high on dope or something of that nature," he said. "They didn't know what they were doing. It was such a senseless killing."
He said his neighborhood has never had any problems, although mahy complain about the noise made by the weekend cyclists.
He noted parenthetically that the riders are not of the Hell's Angel variety, but use lighter motorcycles.
He said his neighbors were "very sympathetic," but complained he found some of his phone calls "very disconcerting."

CALLERS

"On several occasions people have called and as soon as we answer, they hang up," he said in bewilderment.
Furlong tried to control his emotions as he spoke of his eldest daughter — one of his four children.
"She was only a freshman in high school," he said, "and this was the first year we allowed her to date. We talked to her about it, and I sort of teased her. She went out with a boy friend a few times — a very nice boy who came over yesterday morning to extend his condolences — but most of her social activities were confined to her school. She was never any trouble."
School mates and neighborhood friends of Deborah said the girl, very slim and looking more like a 10-year-old than a 14-year-old, was "just an ordinary nice girl who baby set and had a boy friend and talked about becoming an airline stewardess."

CHILDREN

The other Furlong children are Glen, 16; Floyd, 12, and Pamela, 11.
Furlong said he did not know and had not yet talked to Kathy's parents, Mr. and Mrs. Wilfred Snoozy. Both Snoozy, a carpet layer, and Mrs. Snoozy reportedly are in a state of collapse.
Her funeral has been scheduled Friday at 11 a.m. at the Place Funeral Home in Los Gatos. Burial will be at Oak Wood Cemetery in Santa Cruz.
Funeral services for Kathy will be held tomorrow (Thursday) at 2 p.m. at the Oak Hill Memorial Park Mortuary in San Jose. Burial will be at Oak Hill Memorial Park.
 
Deborah Furlong and Kathy Snoozy were murdered by multipule stabbing on the evening of 3 August 1969, a Sunday.

The Lompoc Jane Doe was found earlier that same day, also stabbed numerous times. Actual time of stabbing and death not stated, but obviously some time before Furlong and Snoozy.

Could the same person have killed all of them?

Karl Werner was convicted of murdering Furlong, Snoozy, and another girl named Kathy Bilek.

According to "Knife Murders: San Jose Student Held in Slaying Of Three Girls," by Paul Avery (San Francisco Chronicle, 4-30-1971, pp. 1, 28), Werner was arrested on April 29th, 1971, and was "a brilliant San Jose City College student." He was described, interestingly enough, as being "outstanding in physics and mathematics and, as a hobby, has been building his own computer."

Werner attended high school with Kathy Snoozy and Deborah Furlong, and at the time of their murders in August 1969, lived only a few blocks from them, so it seems doubtful they were completely random murders; he may not have known them personally, but probably saw them at school and in his neighborhood.

Avery wrote that Werner stabbed Kathy Bilek 49 times on April 11th, 1971, and it would seem that, in contrast to Furlong and Snoozy, she was randomly targeted by Werner, because the teenage girl who tipped police said that on April 9th, a strange man had approached her in Villa Montalvo County Park to go hiking with him, the same park where Bilek would be murdered two days later. Avery related that "she became frightened when he became angry after she refused... and ran from him to an area where there were more people around." Park rangers identified him from her description, because he was a frequent visitor to the park. Police recovered a knife from his rooming house, but did not confirm whether it was the murder weapon.
 
MANUEL, ANDREW P
born 03/07/1947 (Age 60)
lives in AJO, AZ
Manuel has two federal Inmate numbers, having served two separate unspecified sentences.


BUMP:

Richard, I don't believe this is the person connected with the Michigan cases. That person's name, when he was arrested in August 1969 was given as Andrew Julian Manuel (aka Richard Diaz, the name he was known by in Michigan). He was variously described as a Mexican-American, and more frequently as a Filipino-American. In mid-1969 his age was given as 25, therefore born in 1944.

In California, when he returned with John Collins, they stayed in a fraudulently rented trailer parked at the rear of the home of Manuel's grandfather, Silver Manuel, 103 Soledad Avenue, in what was then the Chinatown district of Salinas.

When arrested and extradited to Michigan, he was staying with a sister-in-law, Ernestina Masters (cocktail waitress) in Phoenix Arizona.

For research reasons I would be very glad if anyone can find any further trace of Andrew Manuel, who appears to have disappeared from view after John Collins's trial.


I believe Manuel had burglary convictions in Monterey County CA, and was involved in similar activities in Michigan, where he had an estranged wife, Betty Sue. He was cleared of any suspected involvement in the Michigan murder cases on the basis of polygraph testing.
 
BUMP:

Richard, I don't believe this is the person connected with the Michigan cases. That person's name, when he was arrested in August 1969 was given as Andrew Julian Manuel (aka Richard Diaz, the name he was known by in Michigan). He was variously described as a Mexican-American, and more frequently as a Filipino-American. In mid-1969 his age was given as 25, therefore born in 1944.

In California, when he returned with John Collins, they stayed in a fraudulently rented trailer parked at the rear of the home of Manuel's grandfather, Silver Manuel, 103 Soledad Avenue, in what was then the Chinatown district of Salinas.

When arrested and extradited to Michigan, he was staying with a sister-in-law, Ernestina Masters (cocktail waitress) in Phoenix Arizona.

For research reasons I would be very glad if anyone can find any further trace of Andrew Manuel, who appears to have disappeared from view after John Collins's trial.


I believe Manuel had burglary convictions in Monterey County CA, and was involved in similar activities in Michigan, where he had an estranged wife, Betty Sue. He was cleared of any suspected involvement in the Michigan murder cases on the basis of polygraph testing.

Thank you for this information. I wish that I could tell you more about him, but I had somewhat sketchy records to work with.

The Andrew Manuel who lived and traveled with John Collins was obviously into criminal activity on a number of levels and areas. How much he actually knew or was involved in the "Michigan Murders" will probably never be known. But I find it hard to believe that he was totally ignorant of John Collins' involvement.

There seems to be a LOT of circumstantial coincidence here. Collins murdered AT LEAST one girl while he and his buddy Manuel were in California. Parts of her clothing and blood were found in Collins's car when they returned in it to Michigan.

I recall seeing in the Federal Prison records that Andrew P. Manuel was a Philippine-American in one place and an American Indian in another. It is quite possible that they simply wrote down something he told them. Could he also have lied about his age or middle name?
 
August Third marks the 40th anniversary of the finding of this girl's body. The case is still unsolved and the girls is still unidentified.

There has been some speculation that she may have been a victim of the Manson cult, or possibly a victim of Michigan Murderer John Collins.

There were also a number of other possibly linked cases.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/205ufca.html
 
Could this girl have been a victim of the Zodiac Killer? He was active in the San Francisco Bay area around that time, and in fact is known to have murdered a couple on 4 July 1969 in Vallejo.

Zodiac stabbed another couple at Lake Berryessa, CA (north of Vallejo) in September 1969. He used a long bladed knife and stabbed his victims numerous times.

The main argument against the killer being Zodiac is that he did not claim this kill in his subsequent writings. But he also did not claim an earlier murder in Riverside, CA which many investigators believe to have been his work.

Below is an updated link to the Doenetwork file on Lompoc Jane Doe. It has several artist renditions of what she looked like.


LINK:

http://doenetwork.org/cases/205ufca.html
 
"Collins did not mention this, but the Chronicle learned that wedged in between the two bodies of the dead girls police found a "new," but empty beer can. There was speculation the killer may have rolled or carried one girl down, then finished off a can of beer, and then disposed of the second body without noticing the can."


Do they still have that beer can? DNA available?
 
"Collins did not mention this, but the Chronicle learned that wedged in between the two bodies of the dead girls police found a "new," but empty beer can. There was speculation the killer may have rolled or carried one girl down, then finished off a can of beer, and then disposed of the second body without noticing the can."


Do they still have that beer can? DNA available?

Which two girls are you referring to? Lompoc Jane Doe was found alone, not with another body.
 
I searched for Andrew J. Manuel on Ancestry and found that he died in 2011.

From the Social Security Death Index:
Name: Andrew J. Manuel
Last Residence: 85364 Yuma, Yuma, Arizona
Born: 13 May 1944
Died: 19 Feb 2011

I am 99.9% sure this is the right guy because his birth record shows he was born in Monterey County, which is where Salinas is.

From the California Birth Index:
Name: Andrue J Manuel
Birth Date: 13 May 1944
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Brady
Birth County: Monterey
 
The "two girls" mentioned in previous posts are Gay Furlong and Kathy Snoozy who were murdered in San Jose, California in August 1969.

Collins and/or Manuel were considered suspects around that time, but another man was eventually convicted of their murders. There is still some controversy as to whether or not the convicted man, Werner, was actually their killer - even though he confessed to it.

It is very possible that the murder of Kathy and Gay was connected to the murder of Lompoc Jane Doe. There are many unanswered questions and a rather large number of potential suspects.

There is a website dedicated to the Zodiac Killer and it includes a number of possibly related cases including these.

Link:

http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com/
 
Bumping case up.

There are a number of possibilities regarding who might have killed Lompoc Jane Doe:

- John Collins and/or Andrew Manuel who were in California in a stolen trailer while taking a vacation from killing young women in Michigan. There are some similarities between this murder and some of the Michigan women.

- the serial killer, Zodiac, is thought by some to have killed her.

- It is also possible that she was killed by someone affiliated with the Manson "family" as there were some similar knife murders done by them.

Identifying her would answer some of the questions and might provide some solid leads to investigators.

Could there be a link between this girl and these two other cases?

-- Castaic California Jane Doe, age 19-26, found 7 September 1969
LINK:
CA CA - Castaic - White Female 559UFCA, 19-26, 7 Sept 1969 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community



-- Oakland, California Jane Doe, age 16-23, found 2 October 1969
LINK:
CA CA - Oakland - White Female 333UFCA, 16-23, 1969 - killer known - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
 
There was a recent television show about the trial of a man who was linked by DNA to one of the young women believed to be a Collins Victim. The man was convicted based on DNA alone, although there was other DNA on the victim which was linked to a man who was only a small child at the time.

Does anyone have any links to that story?

http://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/leiterman-gary.htm
 

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