CA CA - Rose Cole, 16, Oakland, 1972 - #1

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Goody said:
You don't think Rose is a common name? That surprises me. I would consider it one of the most common, like Ann or Mary, Marie, etc.
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Rose is not listed in the top 10 women's names in the US and in Europe in earlier years, it was not so common. It is an old-fashioned name and was likely more popular in early decades 1900-1930?

The court papers could have been written as part of the petition response to have the case dismissed and it is possible that an atty wrote the response for the judge to sign using common language but in fact she was not there but still it makes you wonder and seems strange . Why did someone bother to have the case dismissed in 1974 if she had already gone missing. Why did no one try and find her or report her missing. Surely they didn't assume she was still in Synanon. And she doesn't show up in the POP sheet that was available from several years later. There are numerous Cole's listed in Flint MI and in Nebraska.
 
I don't remember SF the way Goody does... however I was a bit older (late 20's) and I didn't go out there until '75. To me it seemed more like a time of anger... the SLA bombings, Patti Hearst finally released, etc. I worked for a law firm in SF, so I guess I had to lead a pretty restrained life. Mostly I remember being very shocked at how outwardly gay people were there. I hadn't been exposed to that before, and I was pretty surprised. I got used to it finally and pretty soon the gays were more open in all parts of the U.S. I do remember some drugs, but I didn't do drugs so it wasn't something I saw too much. What's really hard to realize is that it was 30+ years ago. That shocks me! I have no idea what I did with the intervening years!
 
Does anyone know if Rose was ever issued a social security number?
 
Julie, I don't recall Rose having any connections to Nebraska. She was born and raised in Flint, MI, and then sent to California (Synanon). Those are the only two states she's associated with (to my knowledge).

I recall finding another Rose Lena Cole in the genealogy files... and I believe that person was also in Michigan... so it's possible that she was named after a relative. I agree... it's not a real popular name. I associate it more with older people (Rose Kennedy, etc.), but it seems to be coming back into popularity.
 
Does anyone know if Rose was ever issued a social security number?
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None has ever been found. We're hoping that if there is one, it will show up in her juvenile records (if they're ever opened). There is nothing in the papers that Isabela has that shows a Soc. Sec. number.
 
I wonder if there is a way to check prison records in California to see if she was ever put in prison for drug charges or anything.
 
Shadow205 said:
Does anyone know if Rose was ever issued a social security number?
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I am talking via IM to her nephew (Brian cole) who lived in the same house in flint MI with her right now. . He says: 1991 is when we moved we had the same phone number the whole time, my dad said his dad wasn't a good person. He said: when my grandmother moved to alabama my dad took over the house. his step dad used to beat him my grandmother and all the kids. She trusted Brian's grandmother. He said his grandmother is Opal her step mother. His dad is Billy Cole. He thinks her dad was trying to cover some thing up and said he just learned about this whole thing a couple of weeks ago. But he does not want to hurt his family in anyway....
 
no when her father moved out of the house, Brian's grandmother (her stepmother Opal) found them.
 
I bet you are talking to Billy's son that was "the baby" that Rose talked about in her letter. Tell him we all appreciate the information he's supplied. For people who don't remember all of the details, Opal was Jesse's (the father of Rose) second wife and she had 3 children of her own (who I understand Jesse adopted). Billy and Brenda are the only names I recall right now. Jesse had 3 children also... Pose, Jesse and Rose. Opal and Jesse eventually got a divorce (1979?).

Thanks so much for the info on when they moved out of the house. I guess that takes care of any ideas we had that there was no way she could reach anyone. Heck, in 1991, she would have been 35 years old.
 
HeartofTexas said:
I wonder if there is a way to check prison records in California to see if she was ever put in prison for drug charges or anything.
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there is an online prison locator service. http://www.corr.ca.gov/ReportsResearch/Inmate_Locator.html

In some states, you can look up records of former inmates (like AZ) but not sure of privacy laws there in CA for that sort of thing.
also this; To locate an inmate within the California Department of Corrections, please call (916) 445-6713, which is available 24 hours a day. You must have either the inmate's CDC number, or the inmate's full name and date of birth to receive information. The Inmate Locator/ID Warrants will provide an inmate's location, mailing addresses and relevant phone numbers. The Inmate Locator/ID Warrants will not provide any future release date information. Please note that for new or transferring inmates it can take up to seven business days to update location information.
 
HeartofTexas said:
I bet you are talking to Billy's son that was "the baby" that Rose talked about in her letter. Tell him we all appreciate the information he's supplied. For people who don't remember all of the details, Opal was Jesse's (the father of Rose) second wife and she had 3 children of her own (who I understand Jesse adopted). Billy and Brenda are the only names I recall right now. Jesse had 3 children also... Pose, Jesse and Rose. Opal and Jesse eventually got a divorce (1979?).

Thanks so much for the info on when they moved out of the house. I guess that takes care of any ideas we had that there was no way she could reach anyone. Heck, in 1991, she would have been 35 years old.
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Yes, his name is billy Cole and he said thats what he wanted to clear up regarding timing of when they left the house and such so no chance that she simply couldn't reach them if she had wanted to......
 
julieL said:
Yes, his name is billy Cole and he said thats what he wanted to clear up regarding timing of when they left the house and such so no chance that she simply couldn't reach them if she had wanted to......
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he just corrected me and said the baby she refers to in the letter: no that was my oldest brother billy he is my half broither my dad was married before he married my mother. He said billy was born in 1973. My other brothe rRaymond was born in 74. He was born in 77 so after all this happened.....
 
A woman who lived there ran away from Detroit (not probated), and finally ended up hitching out to California, and synanon, I had some legal problems that I had left behind in Detroit. After boot camp graduation, i wrote to my grandmother, and the authorities in Detroit came looking for me. Synanon sent me back to court in Detroit, with an escort...and i was put on probation...for six months. But she stayed for 5 more years..........
 
I am a former member as you know and I have reposted all the picture information. the scanned letters are there and I also posted a pic of her as a child from the ancestry site hoping that someone will remember something. Synanon itself shut down in 1991 and by then there were only a few hundred people there. When I was there, perhaps 10,000 people came through during the timeframe with about 2500 people there across 5 facilities at our largest year ( I think 72-73 would be our biggest growth year). I was young then but wanted to note that I have reposted there also under a section we call ISO (in search of) to the main website hoping someone will remember. Many people left and ran away but it wasn't like people were being killed and hidden in the back 40 or anything like that. the wierdest *advertiser censored* happened in the 75-79 timeframe.......
 
A woman who lived there ran away from Detroit (not probated), and finally ended up hitching out to California, and synanon, I had some legal problems that I had left behind in Detroit. After boot camp graduation, i wrote to my grandmother, and the authorities in Detroit came looking for me. Synanon sent me back to court in Detroit, with an escort...and i was put on probation...for six months. But she stayed for 5 more years..........
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So she was a bit of a reverse Synanon case... she ran away TO Synanon... and the Michigan Court system came after her? I guess that's just the opposite of Rose's case... she was sent to Syananon but then ran away from them. Seems like Michigan Courts were pretty rough on these young kids at the time, though.
 
I brought upNebraska because I am reading the entire thread starting with #1 and find that post #4 says: A quick check of some of my resources shows a Rose Leanna Cole who graduated from a high school in NE in June of '73, at which time the Rose in question would have been almost 17. Since the Rose Leanna Cole in Nebraska graduated in 1973, I'm guessing she' since married and changed her name. I tried to find the same info Shadowangel did, but can't. Some states have great marriage records online, but Nebraska doesn't seem to be one of them

Rose's father was the one who had all of this information. When he died, the rest of the family finally had a chance to look through it. But, to answer your question, there were no envelopes with the letters after she left Synanon. Opal, her stepmother finally found it when he moved out. the timing of how they finally decided to report her missing is odd....
Did someone believe she had stayed at Synanon all that time. Or were liies told by the father about her whereabouts....and then she was forgotten?
 
Brian's dad just told him that Rose just disapperd, like she fell off the face of the earth... they called the synanon but all they were told is she ran away.. he said roses dad probably knew what happend to her but he never told anyone.
 
I am a former member as you know and I have reposted all the picture information. the scanned letters are there and I also posted a pic of her as a child from the ancestry site hoping that someone will remember something.
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Thanks so much, Julie, for doing that. Every exposure her story gets brings us that much closer to finding out what happened to her. I also really appreciate you reporting back to us whatever you hear re Rose. I hope you'll also let your friends there know how much we appreciate their support and their memories. It's very hard to re-create something that happened over 30 years ago, and even more difficult when most of the family members who would remember anything are now deceased. Their memories of Rose at Synanon help substantiate what little we know from her letters.
 
yes exactly, the opposite where she used the basis that she was in syn to go back escorted to court. syn had a very active conduit link to Detroit and many people were coming from there . We also had a Synanon Detroit facility at the time btw.
 
I brought upNebraska because I am reading the entire thread starting with #1 and find that post #4 says: A quick check of some of my resources shows a Rose Leanna Cole who graduated from a high school in NE in June of '73, at which time the Rose in question would have been almost 17. Since the Rose Leanna Cole in Nebraska graduated in 1973, I'm guessing she' since married and changed her name.
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I had forgotten about that! That was another Rose Cole. Our's was Rose Lena Cole, but at the time we thought it was Rose Leana Cole. The name confusion was cleared up when someone (Opal?) found Rose's birth certificate. To the best of our knowledge, the Rose Cole in Nebraska was not our's.
 
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