Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #20

Sanny said:

I know what you are talking about ..... I too say that video.....it looked like she passed him a chip.....he covered his hand with it and then moved his right arm to under the table......she may have loaned him that chip. She certainly was a better player than he was.......she won a bundle. He knew this......too.......I don't know how find that video but maybe someone will come on here later in the day or tonight and answer your question.....

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marikesh said:

Ok I found the link. It's on this Peru site:


http://peru21.pe/noticia/492390/fbi-rechaza-version-sobre-van-der-sloot

I can't get an imbed.

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Mrs G Norris said:

On Dr Lillian Glass’ blog she made reference to the fact that Joran mentioned in a police report that he had beaten his brother..

http://drlillianglassbodylanguagebl...-for-joran-while-cutting-him-out-of-her-life/

Anita Van der Sloot’s Conflicting Body Language Indicates Anger at Joran, Victim Like Helplessness, And Denial, As She Continues To Make Excuses For Joran While Cutting Him Out of Her Life

“There is no doubt that Anita did know that Joran had some type of psychological problem as he was apparently seeing a therapist in his teen years. Apparently he was sent to a therapist by his parents. According to an interview which Joran gave to the Aruban police when he was a teen, given after Natalie’s was found missing, Joran admitted he had been sent to a psychiatrist for stealing 50 euros from his father and for his violence towards his brother”

The quote she is talking about is from Joran’s police statement from 06/10/05 where he states “To you question as to whether I am under treatment from a doctor, I answer you that I am not. I am being treated by a dentist because I have toothache. I am also under treatment of a psychologist. This because I felt bad about the fact that the girl had gone missing. Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euro's from my dad and also took money from my mother and I used my brothers mobile phone without asking for permission and after that I had broken the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami but we are good friends now. My brother is fifteen (15) years old and his name is "Valentijn". He is the one I would like to talk to.”

Here is a blog with a list of references to Joran’s past violent behavior a lot of it from the police statements:
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2008/01/you-be-judge.html

At C.3. on the blog above is a reference to the 'man being thrown from a bridge' incident. It is from SANDER GOTTENBOS - WITNESS STATEMENT - 06/16/05

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Peliman said:

Two different casino videos - Best watched sound off.

First from a news network. Two different camera angles, a bit longer and in IMO best quality I've seen so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRvB4v5T3LQ

Second, someone posted a composite video with from a different angle and extra minute length.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCjlVqpaXk8

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Kimmer said:

IMO the ONLY reason that the FBI is involved in JVS going to Peru is this.....Once he was caught on tape with JQK taking the 10 grand cash and the 15 grand wire transfer, Someone from within the ALE told him that the room had been wired and that the US was going to be filing charges against him....He may have been in fear that his passport would be taken by Aruban Authorities. It was stated by his own Mother AVS that JVS stated he wanted to go somewhere that no one knew him, well Peru here he comes....And then being somewhere that no one knew him he was able to kill again....So IMO this is the only explanation as to how JVS ended up in Peru because of the FBI, but I am sure the conspiracy theories will continue with absolutely no proof to back it up.

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newone said:

Thank you for providing the links -- I was spellbound as I read the litany of incidents involving JVDS during his teen years. Any ONE of those incidents is enough to send this parent 'over the edge'. To say he was out of control is a huge understatement - he was a unholy terror. The 'smashing' of front windows in cars ALONE would have had his sorry tail in jail in some states so I am totally adrift on why there weren't any charges laid when he was a juvenile (oh I can hear the protests...daddy's influence etc) for property damage - there's no excuse for law turning a blind eye to his bad behavior.:twocents:

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Sanny said:

Hi Kimmer.....we must not forget the Peru Poker Tournament he had signed on for.....No conspiracy with that fact....IMO

With the loot from the Holloways deep in his pockets, it was clear sailing to Peru and he thought he was to emerge a winner......well NewsFlash for this creep......he dealt himself a loosing hand.....with the accommodations of Castro Castro just waiting for him.:loser::loser::loser:

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Sanny said:

Thanks Beatrice for the update on the Lion club.....didn't know that at all.

As for the last line posted regarding......(why would he say they don't want to leave with him???) or could this be just a mix up in the translation....

Where would he be taking them.......for them not wanting to leave with him.
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Kimmer said:

I can't wait until he is transfered to Louigancho....Think he is whining now, we have no even begun to hear how much he will complain....Get him away from his cell mate buddy and get him in a pod that he will quickly be an outcast.....I can't wait.

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Philly said:

Kimmer, Do we know for sure that he is going to be transferred to Louigancho? The only place I've heard this is on NG. Have the Peruvian authorities confirmed this? TIA

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Unreals said:

But that's just it- he looks TOO guilty. Five year anniversary of Natalee's disappearance. A dead body left behind in a room registered in his name. A security camera right outside his room, catching the victim and Joran going in, and only him leaving. Few crimes are that cut and dry. Few murderers are that stupid.

If someone really, really wanted to get Joran, and finally punish him for a crime they think he commited and got away with, and wished for a perfect scenario, could Joran possibly have done a better job of granting their wish?

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FLNY said:

Look at the media thread link that I posted. It shows the timestamped photos of when he first left his room to go for coffee at 8:13, returns to the room with coffe at 8:24, leaves the room with the coffee at 8:35 and returns with room clerk at 8:39 and leaves with luggage at 8:56.

So he's gone from the room for 11 minutes the first time and 4 minutes the second time.

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FLNY said:

Possibly guy in the green striped shirt could be Erick Cabrera...he ended up coming in 3rd in the tournament:

"And, there may be a new witness: Another "friend of Joran's", Erick Cabrera Cabrera, who reportedly was present in the casino the day Joran and Stephany Flores played poker together."

Of course, this may have been another day when Joran and SF were together, not May 30.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/6/15/133534/559

Or it could be Elton Garcia:

"Reports vary about the last night. Some have Elton, Joran and Stephany playing poker together at an open table from 3:20 am, when she arrived at the casino alone, until 5:00 a.m. when Joran and Stephanie left together"

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/6/7/153936/3294


Here's a video of Elton Garcia. Not sure if he looks like the same guy as in the casino video...but they do both have long sideburns:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_-9kDHtONg&feature=related

Just another conundrum!!

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faw720 said:

Yep, & I think that violent, uncontrollable temper is what's going to get him killed in prison. Unless, of course, his violent temper is only uncontrollable when he's dealing with women. It will be interesting to see if he can control it when it's beneficial to him.

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Beatrice said:

The Lion's Club seems to have a clandestine reputation.

Seems to me, certain powerful, wealthy men on the island of Aruba knew what it was all about. Joran hung around a group of guys...Most have left Aruba with their wealthy, powerful fathers and families.

Joran could not get girls to now leave the nightclub, casino with him to go elsewhere that was private.

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Beatrice said:

Follow the Money

From May 2005-May 2010 Who funded all of Joran's financial ventures?
(Certainly not Paulus & Anita)

Joran fancied himself as "mafia" / a pimp
His interests were criminology, CSI, 'Soprano's', mafia....

He's involved in the sex trade in Thailand.
He would need financial backing for his coffee cafe.

Feb. 2010 His father dies of heart attack
Joran is depressed, suicidal

Joran claims "the man" contacted him, and asks if he needs money.
(I guess "the man" did not wire him the money.)

Right after this, Joran contacts the Holloway's for the 250k reward money.

He is paid 25k, yet doesn't give John Q. Kelley a legitimate location/scenario.
"The truth"...His ace in the hole for continued extortion on both sides.

Joran told Patrick van Eem that at 10 years, he would receive a substancial financial settlement. From whom?

He leaves for South America. He's paranoid, depressed, broke & desperate.
He meets Stephany. He knows her father is wealthy & powerful. He knows Stephany is gay. He has made a friend with Stephany. Yet, his addictions override this. He knows he is going to drug her, batter her & rob her. "The man" would know this crime was done by Joran. Had Joran proved himself as going from a snake to a lion?

The crime scene has Joran's "fingerprints" all over it. Had he wanted to be found out?

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